WPL C24 brushless - too fast!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2021
- I installed a brushless motor in my C24 and it´s fast! Actually a little too fast to handle. The motor I use is a Racerstar 2435 4500 kv, bought in combo with 25 amp esc. It´s mounted to a simple metal gearbox from URUAV with a pinion gear I took from a MN 260 motor. It´s a fun experiment but it´s useless in terrain and generally hard to control. Next step will be to try a brushed 390 motor, lower the center of gravity and widen the stance to hopefully make it more driveable. This brushless motor will fit right into a WPL 2 speed gearbox so that is another upcoming experiment.
Edit: A link to version number 2 of the same truck, handles much better: • WPL C24 race trail truck - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Terrible idea! I can’t wait to do it! Thanks for video bro!
if i use a 370 brushed direct drive motor is that possible ?with same setup?
Or using a 1400 kv brushless motor?
Yes, a 370 is possible, but I wouldn´t recommend it. The gearing is very high and the motor can easily overheat. I used a 390 brushed motor and it got so hot that the plastic fan melted and the motor collapsed.
@@harpritsingh1882 The brushless might be a better option than a brushed motor. I guess the 1400 kv motor will have lots of torque and might not be so hot, but it might not be so fast either. You don´t know ´til you´ve tried it... 😎😎
@@Georgieframe thank you
Great Video Showing the Build. Love it. Thumbs up Bro.
Thank you very much! I really appreciate it!
Brutal crawler on the road.. Awesome
Thank you so very much!😀
Wow.....cool speed running a c24....great
Thank you so very much!😊
Awesome cool video 😎👍
Thank you so much Rene!
Great this upgrade, now it's a racing Toyota 😁
Thank you very much! Yes, it´s fast, but there is more to come... 😎
@@Georgieframe 😊👍
Very Informative! Would wait for the brushed 390 upgrade too, Casually looking for a motor upgrade to my c24, i just want enough speed when changing gears, and a good torque for slow gear enough to still crawl. Is it possible?
Thank you very much! I recommend a high speed brushed 370 motor for the WPL 2-speed gearbox. I explain more in my reply to your comment on the other video!👍
@@Georgieframe when the motor changed to the two speed 370 motor, then how to shift the speed by the original controller?
@@robingo6257 It`s not possible to change speed with the original ready-to-run 2-channel radio. You need a WPL V3 controller and receiver board or another radio with at least 3 channels. I mostly use Austar AX5 3-channel radio, which works very well and is often sold together with the WPL 2-speed gearbox. If you use another radio you also need a separate esc!
@@Georgieframe then if i dont choose the controller, is it possible to shift the speed by manual?
@@robingo6257 Yes, it´s possible, but a little tricky. The gear lever is springloaded, so it is automatically put into high gear. The servo press the gearlever into low gear and holds it there when you shift to low gear. When you shift to high gear the servo releases the gearlever and it moves into high gear by the pressure of the spring. You can manually press the lever into low gear but then you must lock it there in some way. One solution could be to remove the spring (a coil spring), then you can freely move the gearshiftlever between high and low. But you still must find a way to lock the lever in high or low position, otherwise it will skip gear when you drive.
I have a question. What’s the purpose of changing out the pinion gear ? Is that the only way the brushless motor will work?
Hello! First of all, the brushless motor I bought came without a pinion, which is most common. Then you must mount a pinion matching the gears in this specific gearbox. I took the pinion off a 260 motor and mounted it on the brushless as it matched the gears in the gearbox,
Can you crawl with it? Can you show a video of it going as slow as you can take it and one showing the torque offrosding please❤
Hello! No this version of the car can not crawl, it's useless for everything but fast driving, just a fun experiment. I rebuilt it soon after this video to a version that can both go fast and crawl. Here is a link to that version:
th-cam.com/video/WxgsD2Ns08I/w-d-xo.html
Can I use 28 series of surpass hobby motor? Its shaft diameter is 3.175mm and the diameter of metal gear wheel in the (gearbox) is like 4mm. So I can mount the motor to gear wheel and to gearbox, right?
Hello! As you don´t tell which gearbox you will mount the motor on I can´t tell for sure. But: To mount a 28 series motor (28 millimeter diameter) with 3.175 mm shaft on a WPL 2-speed gearbox, or any WPL gearbox, is complicated as the mounting holes probably doesn´t fit without modification and the shafts diameter is bigger than the normal WPL motor. It´s easier to mount for example a 2435 (which is what I use) with 2 mm shaft. Then you can pull the stock pinion from the stock motor and press it on the shaft of the 2435, then mount the motor on the gearbox. It usually works fine, especially on the 2-speed gearbox.
Alright mate. I'll try 2435 motor then. Thanks for ur info😊@@Georgieframe
Bud you just showed me what I was thanking of doing with out using the reducer
Yes, it's a possible solution for speed. Good luck!
meant to ask, are you still running open diffs? I tried locking mine and the faster models become uncontrollable!
Hi! All WPL cars have closed diffs. As a fact, they don´t have diffs at all, just an axle and a ring gear, both front and rear. Same goes for the MN cars. They handle well, I think, even when they are a little hotted up. I guess it´s because of the small size. 1:10 scale crawlers also work fine with locked diffs, which is a must in rough terrain, but I have also hade the experience that a faster 1:10 scale car with a locked diff (happened accidently, the diff broke) became impossible to steer at speed. So different cars simply behave in different ways. Open, locked or adjusted with diff oil, it depends on the purpose, and testing will tell what is the best.
@@Georgieframe hello!! yeah with my outlaw locked up, needs a gyro just to move off in a straight line. And even with the gyro the car became like a RWD - too much for my road treads to handle!
I like your trucks.. am going to PM you in a while about how to do multiaxle. 👍🍺
@@carlbModels 👍
Bro how did you screw the motor to the gearbox? Planning to do this as well
Hi! From 033 to 047 in the video you can se rather good how the mounting holes are located and how the screws are fitted. A warning though: The gearing is very high, so it´s hard to use for anything but speed runs. I thought I cold use a brushed 390 motor which has more torque than the small brushless engine, but that motor got so hot that its plastic cooling fan melted and the motor was kaputt! I have switched to using WPL 2-speed gearboxes with brushless or brushed highspeed 370 motors. Then the cars are fast but still usable both on road and in terrain! Anyway: Good luck modifying your car! 😊😊
I can buy a reduction gear if I want it to use it properly right?
@@molatovictorenrique649 Right! A 370 motor with reduction gearbox fits spot on. These transmission are usually sold with that setup. Then it's possible to change the motor to a brushless or high speed brushed if you want more speed with the reduction on.
very good job 🇯🇲💯
Thank you so much!!
Good job 👍😉🤣
Thank you very much!
Great job 👏 can u show a install video 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hello! From 32 to 52 seconds into the video you can se rather good how it´s installed. I can´t make any more than that as I don´t use this installation any more. It was a fun experiment but the gearing is way to high to be everyday useful. I switched to WPL 2-speed gearbox instead, which works very good. You can see it in this video. Same truck, different setup: th-cam.com/video/WxgsD2Ns08I/w-d-xo.html
Please tell me, please tell me what specific motor and gearbox did you use?
Hello, sorry for late reply! In this video I use a Racerstar 2435 4500 kv, bought in combo with 25 amp esc. It´s mounted to a simple metal gearbox from URUAV with a pinion gear I took from a MN 260 motor. In the video you can see how I modified the motor mounts in the gearbox. But a better solution, that I use now, is to mount the motor in a WPL 2 speed gearbox (need 3-channel radio for shifting).
These are the details I have used:
Motor and esc: www.tokopedia.com/zawah/racerstar-2435-waterproof-brushless-sensorless-motor-store-af?extParam=ivf%3Dfalse%26src%3Dsearch
Gearbox: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003917073596.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.71.70e87b155SHm05&algo_pvid=0ba7657c-1b8d-4241-8476-c6b2f51f42aa&algo_exp_id=0ba7657c-1b8d-4241-8476-c6b2f51f42aa-35&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21SEK%21229.27%21114.63%21%21%21147.78%21%21%40211b88ef16944281772274702e329b%2112000027460985994%21sea%21SE%214290114320%21S&curPageLogUid=LFhPCvV129B2
WPL 2-speed gearbox: www.wpl-rc.com/products/dual-speed-gearbox
Good luck! 😊😊
hey man do u know if a 370 motor will change the speed
Slowe but more torque better for crawling
soo i bought a 380 brushless motor but i did not buy any ecu and all that so will it still work with stock wiring
Hello! To use a brushless motor you need esc for brushless motor - with three motor cables - and also a radio with separate receiver. Stock radio/esc combo and wiring will not work. 😢
Hi Can I use the 370 motor on a 110scale rc crawler chassis I want to build a lowrider not made for speed wanted to use a smaller motor 370 with gearbox on my build
Hello! I wouldn´t recommend using a 370 motor on a 1:10 scale car. The engine is not powerful enough to propel a large and heavy 1:10 car. The small 1:14 - 1:18 cars are a completely different matter, there it fits well!
i just got a 4500kv brushless motor and put it in a wpl dual speed, it seems ok for now, goes fast and still can crawl (only did short test )
That´s the setup I have in my MN99s. It works very good. Strong and fast! Have a nice time driving!😉
What battery are you running with your 4500kv motor?
@@MazdaFamilia i used a urgenex 1600 2s and a cheapo 900mah 3s
Hey wher did you get that black motor
From Banggood, here is a link: th-cam.com/users/redirect?event=comments&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbnVESUFDVkFoemZFbFNDalRtZVhNUi1GSjUtZ3xBQ3Jtc0ttbEl4MDNOR0ttM0w3NHU4WE05NkEtcDRRWjlSbFFZWV9oRG1QcnFsWjN1Q2h6Z3pkbnI1NzNNdy03bFZybDFLaHlTcUFkYlRYcTdaWXRZTHp3UU1sZnhUWU1IaVF6TnpqemFhbWR4N2h3N0E0cWhTWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.banggood.com%2FRacerstar-2435-Waterproof-Brushless-Sensorless-Motor-45004800KV-25A-ESC-For-116-118-RC-Car-p-1069989.html%3Frmmds%3Dmyorder%26cur_warehouse%3DCN%26ID%3D518005&stzid=UgxycSmjJplpf3cgt3d4AaABAg.9pzN_iB3Mdw9q-p71khPOK
Awesome 👍😊👍~~~!!!!
Thank you very much!
How did the diffs hold up
Hello! The diffs held up very well for this driving. They are the standard diffs with metal gears, look like some kind of alloy, and plastic hexes on the axles.
what motor is this?
It´s a Racerstar 2435 4500 brushless motor and 25 amp esc. I bought it as a combo from Banggood: www.banggood.com/Racerstar-2435-Waterproof-Brushless-Sensorless-Motor-45004800KV-25A-ESC-For-116-118-RC-Car-p-1069989.html?rmmds=myorder&cur_warehouse=CN&ID=518005
wow bs ngebut tambah josss
Terima kasih banyak, senang Anda menyukainya!😊
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im the beginner, i want upgrade my wpl c24 what motor shall i buy?
Hello! Well, it´s a little hard to answer that question straight and simple. It depends on how you want your c24 to act. Slow? Fast? Crawling? Trail driving? I guess (only guess!) you have bought a ready to run car with radio/esc all in one unit. In that case you can´t just buy another motor, you must change motor and gearbox. Some think the 260 motor/gearbox unit for MN99 is an upgrade. It´s faster and it´s strong enough if you don´t drive in the most difficult crawling situations. www.banggood.com/RBRC-260-Gear-Box-For-MN-99S-96-90-45-112-RC-Car-Parts-p-1588715.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search
You should also buy the gearfloorbox to hold the motor: www.banggood.com/RBRC-260-Gear-Box-Floor-For-MN-96-90-45-112-RC-Car-Parts-p-1588723.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search
Another option is to buy a 370 motor with reduction gearbox and transfercase. With this the car will be very strong but also very slow: www.banggood.com/Upgraded-Metal-Transfer-Gear-Case-with-370-Motor-For-WPL-1-or-16-4WD-6WD-JJRC-Q60-Q61-Black-p-1437668.html?rmmds=detail-topright-recommendation&cur_warehouse=CN&ID=227
The best upgrade is, in my opinion, a 2-speed gearbox with 370 motor. It gives both speed and very good crawling ability:
www.banggood.com/WPL-Speed-Change-Gear-Box-For-WPL-B1-B24-B16-B36-C24-JJRC-Q65-1-or-16-4WD-6WD-Rc-Car-p-1305526.html?cur_warehouse=CN&rmmds=search
But then you will also have to change the radio and esc, as you need a third channel to shift gears. If you buy an esc with 40 or 60 amps you can even use 3s lipos. It makes the car really strong and fast!
Good luck!
@@Georgieframe thank you for usefull information
@@Georgieframe wpl c24 can use mn99s sparepart?
@@anonymousx3483 You can use the motor and gearbox + the tray that holds it in the frame. Most other MN-parts don't fit without modifications.
@@Georgieframe thank you bro for help me
Can I use the same esc and radio and Everythinng too
Hello! No, you can´t! If you want to go brushless you need a brushless motor, brushless esc and another radio, because the stock wpl radio has a combined receiver/esc. But another way to go is to buy a high speed brushed motor, like the one in the link below. It´s almost as fast as a brushless and you can use the standard wpl radio/esc - as long as you don´t install a 2-speed gearbox. Then you need a 3-channel radio for shifting gears.
www.asiarcdepot.com/products/black-370-motor-high-speed-40-000rpm-upgrade?ref=RCMANIACS
@@Georgieframe thanks , 'm planning to build mine around April bc I need to save up for all the parts 👍😁
Is it 2S or 3S?
It is 2s!
Yep way to fast 🤣 great work 👍
Thank you very much!
Tem link do motor?😊
Hello! Here is the link: www.banggood.com/Racerstar-2435-Waterproof-Brushless-Sensorless-Motor-45004800KV-25A-ESC-For-116-118-RC-Car-p-1069989.html?rmmds=myorder&cur_warehouse=CN&ID=518005
How many speed
29 kilometers, but it wasn't full throttle, too hard to control!
Can i use the same battery
Yes, you can use the same batteri!
@@Georgieframe thanks
What about a 2030 4600kv with a 60a Esc???
It may work but that motor is a bit smaller, it´s aimed for 1:18 scale cars I think. The 2435 size I use have the same diameter as the brushed 370 used in WPL 2-speed gearbox and different single speed gearboxes for WPL and MN cars. It fits for example very good in the 2-speed gearbox, which is the application I would recommend. That is what I use now. The application in this video was a fun experiment, but not very useful for driving in terrain under various conditions. 😊😊
@@Georgieframe ok, I want my car for crawling, not speed, looking for torque and control more than other. Do you think that configuration migth work??
@@GustavoGonzalez-im5dr If you´re looking for torque and control I would suggest a WPL 2-speed gearbox with brushed 370 motor, it´s sold as a unit. It has very good torque in low gear and some speed in high gear. Then you need a 3-channel radio to control the gears. If you don´t need speed at all I´d recommend any single speed gearbox with 370 motor, meant for WPL and MN cars. Then 2-channel radio is enough, you can even use the stock rtr-radio. My experience is that the 4500 kv brushless works for crawling with the 2-speed gearbox in low gear but a brushed 370 is better at low speed. It´s the same with single speed gearbox.
@@Georgieframe i have all that set up 370, 2speed and esc, but sometimes, the car feels weak in Hi gear when I need it. Do you think it will perform better the 2030 over the stock 370??
@@GustavoGonzalez-im5dr I don´t really know how much torque the 2030 will have. The only thing you can do to find out is to try it. My experience is with 2435 which is a little bigger - 24 mm wide, 35 mm long. I´ll give a link to video with my MN99 with that motor on 2-speed gearbox. It shows climbing, crawling and speed run, so you can see how it performs. Another thing you can do to get more power from the brushed 370 is to use a 3s batteri, if your esc can handle it. Any 35 - 40 amp or more esc usually can. Link:
th-cam.com/video/mOXdmoQxYT4/w-d-xo.html
wow!! awesome speed, better run the gyro? you're going in the opposite direction speed wise, your builds are faster than my 1/10 trail stuff!
Thank you Carl! Actually, I have thought about the gyro. I may use it, we´ll se! And I´ll try to make it handle also low speed. Next challenge!
@@Georgieframe if you can adjust your punch on your ESC that could help ✌
@@jasonwetere5631 Yes, I guess it could. But I solved the problem with a small rebuild 😎: th-cam.com/video/WxgsD2Ns08I/w-d-xo.html
Suspension upgrade needed.
Indeed! And so I did! : th-cam.com/video/WxgsD2Ns08I/w-d-xo.html
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U know that is a crawler. If its speed , make a slammed truck out of it.
Thank you for advice! That is about what I did in the second version: th-cam.com/video/WxgsD2Ns08I/w-d-xo.html