This Is Why People Aren’t Buying New Macs
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- Apple’s having a hard time convincing people to buy new M3 Macs. Here’s why.
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I just got a WD 2 TB SSD for $150, whereas upgrading to 2 TB from 0.5 TB on a MacBook Pro costs $600. Apple’s upgrade pricing is bananas.
About last year I got a WD Blue 2TB Nvme SSD for like around €50 or €70
I see what you did there...
It doesn't matter, overall package is with it
Why not just say 500 gb 😂
Apple wants you to subscribe to cheaper monthly cloud data. That's why the sales department is ruining Apple today.
The problem is just as Jobs described in an interview: Once a corporation gets a taste of success, they push out the creative/passionate devs and the sales and marketing team runs the company.
Nonsense. The current lineup of Macs are the best they’ve ever been, and I’ve been on the Apple train since 1986.
@@tronamyour answer has nothing to do with the post
@@gabrielwolfcolor Yes it does. Apple's hardware team is doing their best work in decades and the original poster is plucking a Jobs quote from a 40 year old interview talking about Xerox. It's the most ludicrous false equivalency.
@@tronam You’re absolutely right. I’ll follow the white 🐇 (and spend my money when they hire better marketing staff)
tech just moves slowly what you can't make generational leaps forever
Add some additional reasons - people are sick of not repairable SSDs, 8 GB of starting ram with insane markups for upgrades, hell, you cant even repair the sleep sensor (lid closed sensor) without their special tools. They treat their consumers like garbage and even some die-hard fans are starting to see it now.
Never had such issue. Buy what you need for the next 4 years.
@@henson2k and get apple care... Or get something else ffs
I was a Mac user since 2001, never use a pc in my life, not even on stores, I was waiting to see, what they where going to do with the Mac Pro, after what I saw, I said, I'm done!!
Exactly, this is why I am not buying it. Nothing is repairable there.
@@henson2k That's the issue - if you buy the MBP you need for the next 4 years, you dish out £3k. It's an insane amount for a laptop that has no replaceable parts and you can't repair, so you always run the risk of having to pay the same amount again (or more!).
inb4 AppleCare: then make it £4.5k in 4 years. For an insurance that no. other. laptop. needs.
1349€ (in Europe) for a pc with just 8gb of ram, forcing consumers to spend 500€ more to upgrade to 16gb. This is the real problem: consumers in general are not so ignorant as Apple would like them to be.
Thats why I consider them to be scammers
8GB of memory in an M1/M2/M3 architecture does not directly translate to having 8GB in an x86.
@@udc256 What do you mean?
@@udc256but that's still 8. It is still limited, and if u are spending THAT amount of money - you expect it to handle more than 10 chrome tabs (10 is for example, of course it can handle a little more, but still less than 16gb on "x86")
@@Just_Areki i have an M1 and after being a wintel sysadmin for a decade let me tell you it's ways better than an intel with 16gb. I have no problem whatsoever with the scenario you mention and even way way heavier loads. Not sure what your source is.
*No one wants to spend $2500 on a "pro" laptop that's non-upgradable and non-repairable.* That's the real answer.
Where jobs live, this is the rent of his one car parking lot per month
non upgradeable, non repairable... not to mention obsolote real fast. I have to install windows on my old macbook because Apple no longer support that hardware.
@@bluedragontoybash2463 Did you try Opencore legacy boot?
After 32 years of Macs, I went over to Framework. Windows 11 is awful, but I feel much better about the hardware.
Yeah my coz was saying he needed more HD space. I took it and tried looking for a m.2 or sata HD expansion slot. Nope.
M4s MacBooks need to start with 16gb ram 512gb ssd period and reduce cost of up dates… if they don’t.. Apple will be in trouble… and I am keeping my M1 MacBook Air in mean time…
Right on. I feel exactly the same way.
This will decide how many non Mac dependant professionals and light users go for mac
Agreed! I haven’t bought one yet due to that. Expensive low ram!
16GB is not enough in 2024... it was barely enough for high end users in 2018. They should be shipping with 32GB for base and mid-range devices, and 64GB for high end devices, configurable up to 128GB for no more than a couple hundred dollars.
They are treating the whole market like everyone uses their devices for Netflix and Word. If that's all I want to do with my machine, I'll buy a Chromebook... which is exactly where they're losing their market share to... the Chromebook.
@@Nabeelco16/512 maybe but 32ram on base model not going to happen anytime soon 🤣
Ram on MacOs isn’t the same as on windows.
My opinion is that when Apple abandoned the 27 inch IMac they lost a significant number of customers.
This. I’m on my third 27 inch iMac … love the machine and always thought it to be good value for money. Now they’ve dropped it I don’t know what my next computer will be. May have to finally switch to a windows pc (gasp).
Why they feel folks would be ok with a 24" screen is crazy haha.
When they abandoned those good TOWERS like the G4 and MacPro pre trashcan model- they lost ME
I replaced my 2013 i7 with an m1, regretted it and won’t be upgrading anytime soon. It’s fine for one app but try running a couple things at once and it reveals it’s an iPad in a box, I’ve had a lot of macs since 2009 when I got my first, I won’t buy again until this soldered overpriced ssd and ram scam stops. I even bought a pc recently, windows sucks but I have control of the specs.
Yes agreed I hung out for a new 27” but when it became clear it wasn’t going to happen. And they pushed the posh monitor I moved over to the budget but excellent Mac minis, including a 32” monitor less than a £k.
The only Apple products I buy these days are actual apples.
Missing out. I really think there isn’t a better laptop for productivity (considering battery life and thermals). For gaming, of course, Macs don’t really play but a few games.
@@DengueBurgerIt's still Mac OS tho. I'll get one as soon as I can run Linux on it.
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@@DengueBurger Maybe that's true, however, the deal breaker is that you can't replace anything in Mac. And once your SSD reaches too many write cycles, the whole laptop will be an expensive brick with probably lost data inside (when one day it won't be able to boot up).
Apples are also affected by inflation.
😂😂😂
What r y talking about?
I want enough ports on it. I want a repairable Mac. I want an upgradable Mac.
Get a refurbished ThinkPad
A few things Apple could do to improve sales...
1. Make 512gb SSD and 16gb of RAM the starting configuration across the board
2. Reduce upgrade prices by 20%
3. Give the Air and iMac lineups (their budget lineups) 90hz OLED displays with VRR (pro-motion)
4. Add an additional USB-C port and a microsd card slot on the right side of the Air lineup so the budget machines do not feel like they are lacking ports
5. Give the Air lineup solid state cooling (Frore Airjet) to prevent throttling
I have an M3 Macbook Air 15 that I paid waaaay too much for and these are the things that I would like to see in future versions.
I agree. People who have M1/M2 won't upgrade for performance. Only thing that could encourage them to upgrade is more RAM and storage at reasonable price, better display, and - finally - FaceID (it is absurd that FaceID is not present yet we have this lame notch)
That will make the base model more expensive hence reduce sales 😂😂😂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cuit is already overpriced. It could literally be the same price and Apple would profit more than enough.
@@vidal9747its actually not. When you compare actual performance of the air to similar devices from Dell like the XPS 13 and they are the same if not lower in price.
Yeah I'm betting all of that ain't happening bro. If anything 1 is possible with a maybe 12gbs of ram in 512gb. They aren't adding anymore ports at all. That's what the base model 14 inch is for. By your own admission you still bought it with all those complaints and price. Why did you do that? When you realize the answer, you will understand why apple prints money every quarter.
I think Apple made too good of a product with the m1 Mac. Any of the newer models don’t really seem like a justifiable upgrade for most people and probably won’t for a long time.
If you are familiar with gaming PCs is like what happened with the GTX 1080 Ti.
Good for consumers, not as good for Apple :) Apple has a lot of experience with defining the relevance period of their products so those become obsolete just on time when they release something new. With M1 they failed - even if they made replacing werable parts like SSDs almost impossible without bricking the mac... Still a failure in terms of Apple's obsolecence-by-design product phlosophy.
@@nekomatic apple products last wayyyy longer than windows desktops and laptops, the average MacBook will go over 7 years without a critical failure. You can reliably use these laptops for 12-14 years as demonstrated by the large community of people who are particularly fond of the 2010-2014 era. I was running my 2015 MBP in 2024 on the latest OS and it still felt new and perfectly usable for all my tasks, including programming and large projects in Ableton. I had to replace it because my cats knocked it just right so it fell perfectly onto some thick cords I had on the ground that impact the screen at just the right spot. Otherwise I probably could have used it a few more years
@@burtdanams4426 I've got years of experience with both macs since MacOS 6 and PCs much earlier than that... I also use Apple Silicon machines for my work. I can say with full confidence that the modern Apple machines are far from the reliability of the power pc based macs. New macs are expensive and pretty much impossible to repair, any tiny fault may turn a macbook into pile of trash. But Microsoft is also going for ARM architecture so there is still a chance that a healthy competition may fix some of those issues.
Love my Mac Studio Ultra, 128GB Ram, 4TB SSD... Never a fan, wicked Fast, Logic loves it too.
@@oneminutebluesapplecuck
Who has the Money to buy every Year a new Mac? This is getting insane.
The only person who thinks this is feasible is Tim Crook sorry Cook.
Businesses have no issues, they can write the loss off against tax.
@@craigmcmeechan5899 Even businesses don't buy every year. I'm working for a blue chip company and our depreciation policy is 4 years. That's why a Mac is so much better - after 4 years, it is still good. A 4 year old Dell on the other hand...
I think Apple is trying to rebrand itself as the Rolex of consumer electronics. If you can't afford a new phone, watch, laptop, and tablet every year, they don't want you as a customer.
@@reyvaz2951and tech TH-camrs
When your base computer only has as much ram as a phone: LOL. Apple is abusing the customer base. It's that simple. I would LOVE to have an imac, but 24"? starts at 8gb? 256gb of ssd? Everything is soldered so I can't fix it myself. Upgrades cost an absolute FORTUNE. This is customer abuse. So no, I'll stick to windows, even if I hate it, because I can afford it.
It’s an absolute joke of an offer lol
If Steve Jobs were still around, he wouldn't put up with this business model.
If money is the problem. Well you should consider Linux. It can run on pre-Lenovo IBM ThinkPads that can be purchased for less than a cheap Chromebook. Add a new battery, maxed RAM, an SSD, an updated Wi-fi card or USB Wi-Fi and replace the BIOS with LibreBoot firmware. Because you can strip Linux down to the bare essentials and if you stick to a minimalist GUI and software, it will probably use less than 1.5GB of RAM when you boot up at idle. Making even 4GB's of RAM plenty. You can't run 50 tabs in a browser. You need to put in the time and frustration getting everything setup and working. However, you''ll save money at the expense of time.
@@hermanwooster8944 Old enough to remember the Jobs regime. You are incorrect. Mac's have always been expensive. But they do offer a range to fit most budget's. The low end has always been under powered. Most people really don't need much storage and RAM. Only the savvy users. There's nothing wrong with buying a refurbished Mac. Oh and Apple isn't the only one soldering RAM and even SSD to their motherboards on laptops. PC laptops started doing it too. Most still let you upgrade the NVMe and if you are lucky have a second NVMe slot.
@@matthewstott3493 I'm thinking of his comeback when he revitalized the company with the iMac G3. Prior to that Apple was becoming stale and selling expensive, boring boxes that looked like IBMs. Jobs and his team managed to reduce costs while choosing modern standards at the time, such as CD-Rom support, USB, and Firewire. I'm not an Apple person, but he absolutely knew what he was doing.
True to some degree about the M1 gains, but not all of the story. The M2 Max was much faster than an M1 Max in benchmarks & real world performance.
1. It was a bad idea to eliminate the iMac 27. Many Mac users had the Intel equivalent versions, and would have loved to have a faster, cooler machine, maybe a 30” or 32” upgrade.
2. Apple is asking way too much for additional RAM & Storage, and now it’s not upgradeable. In my current Intel Mac, I have 48GB up from the 8GB original done by DIY.
3. I can also upgrade my 2TB drive, but I’m limited to a SATA SSD, which would increase speed some, but the clunky Intel processor is still a boat anchor.
4. Also, the current lineup makes no sense at all. As a minimum, I would expect 1TB and 16GB of RAM, but it’s hard to find one with 128GB of RAM and 4TB hard drive, not to mention crazy expensive.
I’m still rocking an M1 Max MacBook and won’t be needing to upgrade for a while yet, these machines are just too damn good!
Well... because CPU are powerful enough for most people everyday use. On my end the M1 overheats on a Mac Studio and throttles when used at 100% for more than just a few minutes... real Performance are way below what has been announced
This makes me wonder, why aren’t the used M1’s more expensive and why hasn’t supply dried up? I guess Apple is just really good at keeping up with demand.
Also, probably lots of folks are just upgrading so there are plenty of extra devices out in the wild.
@@beuman0wow they should fix that
@@DengueBurger there is no real fix outside of making the CPU less powerful (=less heat) until it stops throttling. They cheated on benchmarks the same way VW cheated with emission test
The only thing that sucks is the fixed SSD. It's a damn good machine!
9 years ago I bought a 2014 15" MacBook retina, whcih to this day still holds up pretty well. Some years later I wanted to upgrade it, because it was struggling with 4K video editing, however the 16" intel model didn't justify its price for me. In 2021 I built a custom PC for video editing and kept my MacBook for work on-the-go. This year I sold the PC and bought slightly used, maxed out 16" M1 Max (except the SSD) with Apple care until 2026.This upgrade costed me around 1200$, which is nothing compared to the price I would have paid back 2019 for new 16" MacBook or now for the new M3 Max (or even M2 Max) MacBook. The machine is great and I can see it lasting for years ahead. To me, M1 Max MacBook is the greatest value and what people should be aiming for if they need a powerful Apple laptop today for a fair price.
I've been using PCs for more than 30 years. I got my first MacBook (M3) in January. And boy, oh boy, I cannot believe how much I've missed out on!
But you also need to go for the latest and greatest, my son got a 2nd hand M2 at the same time and it is nearly as good.
@@zandel_zandellol he is just a guy who believes apple is the greatest company after buying their trashy products 😂😂
If your machine isn't upgradable than underspecing it for planned obsolescence just shits on the environment. Apple: you have HUGE margins, don't be so weird about like 16gb of ram or letting us upgrade a hard drive once in a while. Totally makes the brand look like a tesla-style joke.
They doing fine with soldered unfixable SSD’s, they just wait until M1’s macs SSD’s will start dying
Yeah I agree. Apple is requesting us to not buy their machines - as Steve Jobs would say, "This is kind of looney!"
Depends how often you make it work hard. Backup backup backup! It took around 9 years for my old Pros WiFi chip to stop working so I think I have at least another 5 years with my M1 Air before its chips start failing.
two weeks later, But I already had my M1 mac’s SSD and Ram replaced. Its more work but its not impossible
@@RusticRonnie Noice!
Funny because my wife and close friend just updated to the M3 Air. The M1 Air and the M3 are great for non-professional users and light office work. The M2 CPU was nice, but the SSD issues at the 256GB level was bad.
For the 14-inch M1 and M2 Pros are so good, there is no need for the 14-inch M3 Pro MacBook Pro. The M3 Max is nice for extreme workloads, but that is low volume sales market.
The problem with this is being able to upgrade yourself. I upgraded my 2017 iMac 5K with an iFixit SSD kit and increased the RAM. For home computing it more than exceeds what I need.
When M1 was released…I was blown away by the reviews…but waited about a year till all the hype settled down….still finding that the reviews were right…I went out and bought all M1 devices…I found a brand new Mac mini on sale for $599..to replace my 2012 intel model….i then found a brand new M1 MacBook Air for $750….and finally an M1 iPad Pro for like $900….these devices are still so fast and capable that there’s simply no reason to upgrade…I will probably use them without problems for at least 5-7 more years…that’s apple’s problem…they made their stuff too good…oh and I have an iPhone 11 which never slows down….whats that like 6 generations old…I just updated it to the latest OS 🤓
It's "too good" until some fuse blows or a charge IC lets the smoke out. Then it instantly becomes a paperweight.
Your conclusion is partially wrong. You HAVE upgraded, from Intel to M1. I know people who haven’t.
The real take right here. Got a M1 max mac studio (horrible name) and thought I'd upgrade every year as always. I'm still on the M1 Mac studio, had no issues, no slow down, no reason to upgrade as I haven't thought about my comuter, even though i use it dailey for music, writing and video work. Buy what you need, periode. Stop being a victim, no one's forcing anyone to buy anything. And Anti Apple shit always gets views. Touch grass fellas
The SSDs in those M1s will fail long before 5 years.
Dot dot dot
I am planning to upgrade my 13" MacBook Pro 2014 to a refurbished M2, cutting the large depreciation af new mac, how does that sound?
We do music with mac mini M1 16 gb. Up to a hundred channels with sound files and software synths and a lot of effects on that and it doesn’t even whimper. Any reason for upgrade? Maybe if we go to 32 floating point but then we need new soundcard.
Thanks for the good perspective..... cheers!
My man nerding out TH-cam movement.
I don’t think Apple’s goal is to convince people with an M1 or M2 MacBook to buy an M3. They wouldn’t be sad, but that’s not their marketing strategy. They are trying to get people with intel MacBooks and people without MacBooks to buy one.
Thank you for this helpful information!
Another main problem with Mac's is, the buyer can't upgrade them. That is the strength of getting a custom pc over a mac. You can upgrade a pc over the next several years instead of having to buy a whole new system.
Exactly. That's why I am not buying a Mac. I stopped even buying laptops and I returned to desktop PC (when I am talking about higher performance). I am tired of paying £1500+ for high-end laptops with 10th Gen Intel CPU and some 4GB GPU model which is useless and where I can't even put a 2.5" HDD today. Sometimes it doesn't have even enough RAM slots. I assembled a PC for less than £600 (with quite decent components where at least I can upgrade the GPU, I already had a keyboard, mouse and display).
On the contrary, the concept of improving your computer by taking it apart and adding components is a pipe dream. You think that you know what you are doing. Let me assure you that you don’t. There may be occasions when Apple or Microsoft makes mistake but they are few and far between. They have access to information that you can never dream of having. Believe me, the engineers who design your computer are not doing it to increase profit. They are doing it to make their product perform better than their competitors. Yes, they are trying to lower the cost of their products. That is why you should not buy the base products, which are the products that are not as good as the best they can make but will be purchased by more customers. Buy the products that are not the most expensive and not the cheapest. Choose the most important specifications, buy the product that meet your criteria and the best price.
@@WISEYOUN You must of missed the part where I said Custom PC. Not some bottom of the barrel pre-built machine from walmart.
Let me assure you, no engineer built my pc, I ordered every part "top of the line" & built it myself & have upgraded it for the last several years & it runs rock stable.
Nobody cares about upgradability that’s only the geeks
@@GreenCrusher1968 i chuckled while reading WY's reply to your post...not sure if he doesn't know about DIY/custom PCs...his comments sound more like gaslighting--or possibly AI/bot
Actually a pretty interesting point you make at the end. I just upgraded my 2017 intel Macbook Pro for the M2 studio. They were about as much as a spec’d out M1 so I went for it. Don’t really see myself needing to upgrade for a decade with how good this thing is.
Once you get an M chip, you’ve kinda hit the performance ceiling of the mac platform even if it’s an M1. I do like the dual encoder though that’s the only reason I see people would want to upgrade.
True, but since the Mac marker share still somewhere 10%, it's means there are still tons of non Mac users who can be attacted with the better performance, sure when you buy it, you doesn't need to even think about the upgrade for 5-10 years, but until there are Windows users who still can be lured, like somebody used a Windows laptop until now (it doesn't matter why he try to buy a new machine now if it's old, outdated or died),if the new M3 is way more promising like the recent other Windows laptops they have more than 50% chance to get a new Mac user. So the better and better machines are made for the new users too and not just for the already owned users to convience them to buy it again.
I'm driving an M2 Max studio right now. 32GB RAM. Pretty damn speedy coming from my 2015 MBP and my 2014 Mac Mini it replaced. I WFH now so my MBP is pretty much unused except for my wife doing Zoom art classes on it.
I've an M1 Macbook air. The fastest Mac I could ever have imagined and it holds up very well. I've even fired up my old iMac Core Duo just so I can mess around with my virtual machines or dual boot. I'm in no hurry to get the "latest" anything and that's OK. Like they said in the past... "If you want to be on the bleeding edge be prepared to bleed"
What a great video! I just subscribed!
Very interesting thanks for sharing this
How are other brands of laptops selling? You need to provide context.
Gaming monsters quite well.
That's definitely not why Macs are down YoY.
Macs are down because Apple's quality standards have dropped, and they are playing stupid games with RAM and storage in an effort to push buyers up market to higher end, more expensive machines...
This has had the effect of either pricing customers out of the Mac, or pushing them to buy a lower-end machine with less storage or RAM than they need, resulting in them having a very poor user experience.
CPU performance is meaningless if MacOS is taking 6 of your 8 GB of RAM, and you and your computer spend most of your time waiting for data to swap in and out of your SSD, that's already cramped for space.
All this ignores the fact that MacOS and many of Apples applications have had their functionality pared back to the point that they no longer satisfy anyone but the most basic users, and other productivity tools like Apple Mail have serious bugs in them that have gone unaddressed for the better part of 5 years.
The fact is, anyone who uses their computer as a tool, not just as a glorified typewriter and TV, is faced with either spending a LOT of money-way more than they'd need to on an equivalent PC-just so they have a reasonable amount of RAM and storage, buying something low end and putting up with their computer being almost unusable, or switching platforms... and a lot of people are switching platforms.
My mother is working on her PhD, and she's gone through 2 high end Mac Minis in the last 2 years... because Apple artificially limited functionality, requiring her to buy a new one in an effort to get simple things like multi-monitor support. Now she's looking for a portable computer, and she doesn't want to buy another Mac because of her bad experiences with her last two new Macs.
Apple is trying to squeeze blood from a stone, and their users are suffering, and they are losing users as a result. Right now it's just the high end users on tight budgets... but as time goes by, it will be a larger and larger group of users, if they don't change their direction and start charging reasonable prices for storage and memory.
Well said. Their prices for RAM and storage is just a ploy to make people buying more expensive models. Their machines can't be upgraded. Ridiculous on such expensive machines. They don't want people to repair their machines, because they just want to sell people a new machine instead. I have only bought used Apple computers: 2008 Macbook Pro, (then a new 2011 Macbook Pro), another used 2011 Macbook Pro, a used 2013 iMac, a used Macbook Pro 2015. Next I will be buying a used 2019 16" Macbook Pro because of the screen size.
I hear what you're saying, but this is not related to quality standards.
@@brachiator1 Oh it 100% is. They'd rather put a low quality product out there, to force you up market, or make you suffer with an under-powered machine than actually eat into their margins a bit to give you a truly compelling product at a great price.
This is further demonstrated in how unreliable MacOS and Apple's built in apps have become. There are all sorts of weird bugs that have been around for at least half a decade, some pushing a decade, that Apple has simply refused to fix, because while it's annoying, it won't make most people leave the platform, because basic users are likely to blame themselves, because of their lack of knowledge. But power uses can tell the difference and have started leaving the platform in droves.
just look at the RAM issue. they stubbornly refuse to make their base model with 16gb. they INVENT all sort of reasons why it isn't necessary. it would had cost them marginally more $20 per machine to get it. and I'm sure the cost difference will not be significant. even if they have to pass this cost onto consumer, most people will gladly pay it. or they can make the cost to upgrade more like $ 100-125, a lot more people will go for it. even if their claim is correct about 8gb is enough NOW, the next version of MacOS will require more RAM to run well. And the way Apple force their Mac's to upgrade to next version of MacOS, they more or less will have to upgrade sooner rather than later. When that time goes, users just don't know any better and upgrade. By then, their experience will be poor with 8gb and be force to get a new Mac.
I am holding back as I don´t want to feed corporate greed, the price on Apple RAM and SSD must come down, vote with your wallet. Currently on an M1 pro 14 with 32gb and 1TB SSD, considering an M3 16 pro as I really fancy a larger screen.
Tim Cook has a solution for M1 chip is good enough. It is called push out a mandatory update to throttle the system. Worked wonders with his iPhone sales.
Q: I'm needing to buy a new laptop SOON... Do you feel that I'll need to wait until the new macbook pros with the M4 chips to come out to benefit from all of the new AI features, or will most of these new AI related announcements also work on an their current lineup of MacBook Pros?
I'm an Intel holdout. I bought a 2,1 Mac Pro, and eventually upgraded to a 5,1 (both of which saw extensive upgrades from the original configuration). I'm looking at my next system possibly being one of the 7,1 Intel Pro machines.
I don't like the idea of having things like RAM, GPU and CPU not be upgradable. I've saved a lot of money and gotten more machine for it by being able to buy Apple hardware used and extend its useful life with upgrades. The M.x series Macs might perform very well now, but I can't expect the same kind of longevity out of them that I have come to expect and value as part of the Mac owning experience.
That’s what I liked about my MacBook Pro back in College. I extended the life of the machine with a new battery and more RAM and all I needed was the right screwdrivers.
I think we’re so used to upgrade culture because of smartphones, that we assume that same culture should be found in Macs. For most people, why would they trade in a M1 for an M3? What’s wrong with using a product until you physically can’t use it anymore? I’m just upgrading now from my 2015 MacBook Pro to the M3 MacBook Pro. And I’ll use this MacBook probably for the next 7 years as well
to be honest, modern smartphones like iphone 15 pro do not also need upgrading before 4 to 5 years at least.
I did a similar upgrade, from a 2015 model laptop to an M3. I’m very happy with the speed and long battery life. Don’t get less than 16gb memory though.
True
I’m still rocking a late 2018 MacBook Pro and an iPhone XR…
I just did this upgrade to, 7 years minimum 10 years maximum of usage?
I went from a 2018 15 inch Intel Macbook Pro, was desperate to upgrade to the new 16 inch M1 Macbook Pro, for the ports, to get rid of the butterfly keyboard, and the ridiculous turbine like fan noise. I find the M1 16 inch Macbook is so good, I just have no desire to upgrade at all anymore. Screen is great, keyboard is good, battery life is stellar, it runs silently, it is really fast.
I like that morph transition you use! Very little to no artifacting, which is unusual for such effects. Is it found in Premiere Pro or Resolve Studio? :)
You are absolutely correct. I upgraded from a MacBook i5 (2020) to a MacBook M1 Max 4TB, 32GB. I found it very powerful and there is no need to go to a M3 Max. I paid USD5,600 for my M1 Max and see no need to spend that much again for a M3 Max. I may upgrade to a M5 Max in the future if it has ground breaking technology, but for now I'm not buying a new model every time its available. MacBooks are outrageously expensive.
Until the SSD goes out.
Still using macbook air 13 2015-2017 and macbook pro 15 2015.
They are good enough for my work - office, website browsing, email etc.
My main machine is a late 2015 Retina Pro, running Mojave. It's just prefect for my everyday needs. TH-cam is fast and stable, movies can be watched over 1GB Ethernet. I love and need all those ports. A spare machine I use on travels to edit photos and do light surfing is even older. I bought a 2017 12" Retina to check it out. The darn multiport gets so hot I could cook soup on it. When the old laptops fail, I'll go Linux.
That was really helpful. I’m at a turning point on my MacBook 13” and have got to move to a different machine. Thanks so much for this vid. I subscribed, you earned it.
I used one of those 2019 era Intel MBPs, and it was definitely a pain in the neck. I didn’t mind the butterfly keyboard, but the Touchbar was absolute trash, and the device always overheated, even with the fan howling like a banshee.
I upgraded to the MBA M2 last year, and couldn’t be happier.
Im still on my 16 inch i9 MacBook Pro and will stay as long as my eGPU gets me through the day. Apple ARM chips completely ditched GPU support, neither PCIe nor Thunderbolt eGPU are usable. Rosetta 2 is great but lacks support for AVX instruction translation. I’m a programmer and the first time in 10 years I’m considering buying an AMD based laptop. If Apple had gone with Team Red we could have seen x86 power efficient MacBooks too. Look at the Steam Deck, x86 is able to achieve good battery life. Intel chips lack there. Still I hate Apple switching to ARM but I’m the minority who wants dedicated GPU support. It was the reason I never went with a 13 inch MBP because they only had iGPU support.
Why do you think GPU support is ditched? Everything should be still there. But you have now the unified memory.
The problem is, Apple can't make new M CPU every year! Look Intel... its like every 2-3 Years! It's hard to make big performance different +30-40%!
M1 is so nice CPU! its going to hold minimum 5-8 Years!
Exactly! And with Apple's build quality, it will still be usable. 🙂
Agreed, the massive jump was to the new architecture, and thereafter improvements will be incremental. But that's no reason to stop developing the M series each year; what would you have them do, sit on their laurels at M1 for the next 5-10 years ? It's a problem that many other computer companies wouldn't mind having...
AMD seems to be capable to ramp up 30% with every new generation of their CPUs, they are highly underrated in the notebook segment, I would love to see them more often, they are so good, but on the desktop everyone sees their value unless you are a die hard Intel fan!
@@werpu12 This is true, but they need to solve for heat and battery life. This is far more difficult if you do not have control over the design of the laptop and OS.
"If you are serious about software, you need to make your own hardware". - exactly why Apple make such great end user devices.
@@Mzansi74 Just look at what Valve and others have done with the portable consoles based on AMD... The problem really is resolved by now!
But yes, you get a better integration if you have full control also you can plan better ahead!
as a person bound by the chains of Apple keeping their music production software exclusive to their hardware.... 2000 dollars for 16 gbs of ram is actually insane. they really need to be humbled.
Thank you for this information
damn right ! i still using mba m1 and still bad ass machine
M1 are good enough .
Apple need to change the design of MacBook or perhaps introduce something like OLED,
Facts
Very good, very good to know, i subscribed, just bought a m1 ipad air a couple of weeks ago and I was wondering if I made a mistake or am I holding a outdated hardware, now I i can rest assured im still holding the latest and greatest in my hands.
Can you make a video about using an iPad Pro or a Mac book for 3D modeling and animation for marketing which one to buy pros and cons ? Thanks you explain it in a way that makes real sense. Thank you so much.
cuz older macs are good enough
They are. My only concern with the older boxes is security.
Thank you for being one of the only people to say “silicon” and not “silica.” You know your stuff 😭🙌🏼
I’ve never heard anyone call silicon silica.
I have never heard anyone call it Silica unless you are gen-z American 🇺🇸 who only knows about number of genders
I want to upgrade from my 2015 iMac but they stopped making 27 inch iMacs and the Mac Studio is still on m2.
Could a micro pc mounted to a display with an ideal carrying case be a better buy? Look for a board with the dimensions of the bezel and a microfiber cloth cover for that and the display to protect it. IIRC, a mini or micro ITX board can fit in a case that can mount to the back of a display.
Apple needs to up the specs, and a lot,
base model Mac Studio, for price not higher than current, must have at least 64GB unified memory and 2TB ssd,
16.5" MacBook Pro really should come up with Numerical keyboard to justify additional workflow value,
iPad Pro either shall run full MacOS, or next-gen MacBooks should have a touchscreen already...
I own the base Studio. 32GB is fine and I use an external SSD to make up for the lack of internal storage. What they need to include is the fingerprint sensor keyboard (an extra $200).
bro about damm time to add a profile photo
Changed it
I'm glad you took your coat off. I thought you had a problem and were cold.
The reality is that there are small repair shops out there who can repair affordably. I’m in Seattle and there are a few shops that do great work.
🤠 Low storage space equates to iCloud+ subscriptions. That's more profitable than hardware longterm.
Not really... maybe. I'm paying for 2TB at $10/mo shared between 4 users. For me, it's the convienence factor - my family is a bunch of noobs that won't back up a damn thing and expect me to fix everything. I'm paying for peace of mind. That being said, how many people don't even back up their phones to the cloud and need data recovery at a price premium?
You are correct I bought a M1 Max 16 inch MacBook Pro with 64 gigs of ram and 1 terabyte hard drive (used) last year and I am very happy with the performance. That saved me the premium. The current M3 line lineup does not justify the premium you have to dash out for a, marginal difference in performance.
I never had any Mac books or any Mac pc and wanted to go for a MacBook Air with m3, worth buying?
Great analysis and review. Thank you
I just purchased Mac Studio M2 Ultra 128G 2 terabytes.. I'm blown away by its performance. I don't see myself upgrading to the M3 if it's benchmarks only outpace it's predecessor by negligible margins. I will be upgrading my iPad Pro when it moves to the next M chip.
Constructive feedback: Your audio is clipping. Reduce your microphone gain and/or move the microphone back slightly from your face.
I love it when other people give audio feedback to creators too haha, it's a huge pet peeve of mine, since it requires very little knowledge and effort to prevent it
Excellent work
An additional thing that some in the comments are forgetting, is that the m1 series is really good, and those that own one are unlikely to upgrade. I know I only upgrade my work machines every 5-7 years. So my M1 Max won’t be getting upgraded until m5 or m7 etc.
You nailed it dead on the head, I’m still rocking the M1 pro 14 inch, because it’s just a beast of a laptop. Unless the M4 really improves on with the M3 did,I see no reason for me to upgrade
There are many reasons why this company is in trouble in their sales, for me their prices its number one and their leader, this guy does not care about the consumer and thinks that the fame they have created is enough to raise prices to a stupid level, I was a user since 2001 and last year I switched to PC.
Ty Sir! Looks as though missed the boat for the M1 unit.
definitely got some good info out of this thanks!
Have my M1 for 2 years now and I am still loving it. I have two 1TB external drives connected for apps and storage. Still the only problem is the 256GB HDD is so small, I spend too much time making room.
that's what you get for buying something you cant upgrade yourself.... you people keep shoveling money at everything with that fruit logo and then later complain about it's OBVIOUS limitations.
@@The-Cat wow, you spent more time writing that than I have making space on my HDD.
@@IR240474 It didn't take that long then. (software engineer fingers on a mechanical keyboard is a sight to behold⚡😉)
@@The-Cat I can smell the burning keys!! lolz.. Take care Cat!
I think you meant to say 256GB SSD, not HDD. They're not the same.
For anyone who wish to see a better base mac:
In any ram and ssd comments you gives, please say 8gb and 256gb is not enough in the near future.
Only this can reduce base mac buyers and force apple to spec up base mac
I was literally an Apple fanboy, so much so, that I went to WORK for Apple for many years. I now use a PC and Windows, and don't use any Macs at all anymore. Why? Because Apple got so stingy with their hardware, and so lazy with their software, that dollar for dollar, a Mac or an iPhone is no better than a Windows box or an Android. I never thought I'd see Windows again. I never thought I'd ever use Android... but here I am... after the last 10 years of Tim Cook nickle and diming me to death. Steve Jobs was about the customer experience first. Tim Cook is about Apple's profits first. I lived through Jobs' death at Apple, and the change when Tim Cook took over was sudden and stark. We were literally told that profits matter more than customer satisfaction, which was directly contrary to what we were told under Steve Jobs, which was customer satisfaction was number 1.
Good , honest review. You have earned my subscription
A question from a Mac iNoob: am I going to be profiting if I switch to M1 (Air or Pro) for video editing? Currently I have a gaming 11the gen laptop with 1650.
Short answer yes. But the Media encoder in M series chips doesn’t exist in in the base M1. Go with M1 Pro or M2 base at minimum. I know 16gb Ram is costly but it’s worth it IMO.
simple. 8gb ram... unless u wanna get r-worded.
crap, its not even 8gb ram, its 8gb "unified memory" which I assume u have to share with a GPU, Sounds like a freaking nightmare.
I hate to say it, but I've seen people and videos, and it works much better than I expected. As long as you stay on rather casual programs, like office apps and a browser with a sane number of tabs, it will work perfectly fine.
However, I don't want to bet on how much the SSD will last, with how much swap it has to do. But I expect it will last at least 2 years, so it will be some time until we'll see reports of people with 8 GB RAM and dead SSDs. I won't feel sorry for them.
Nice short clean presentation. Kudos. I be Mac Mini M1, and stickin' wid it!
Excellent in stance, tone and quality of your material that you executed as a presenter on TH-cam! I spent a career presenting techie in the IBM world of mid-range computing, as an agent director. I had a few audiences up to 300 live and was a principal speaker but always watched for better than what I could achieve...and you are definitely the man to present technical explanation with an almost fireside chat approach. That presentation was not excellent, it was brilliant in its reasoning and order...
Great video - looks like Ill be holding on to my M1 Studio for a while.
I think your analysis is spot on - Subscribed!
I have a 2011 Mac mini and a 2012 MacBook Pro. I have been thinking of upgrading to an m3 pro chip but my concern of a dead ssd in 3-5 years is holding me back. I would at least like to use my next computer for at least 10 years like my 2012 laptop.
Great explanation
Sir, you absolutely won my subscription, your content is really top notch, and the way you talk about the subject is really professional and informative. Keep up the good work, thank you!
I’ll upgrade when I decide it’s time to get more RAM as I only got 16GB in my M1 Pro 14”. Which does what I need just fine right now.
What I’m waiting to see is how good the Snapdragon X Windows devices are to decide if it’s still worth having a separate Windows device (Surface Pro 9 i7 currently, Pro 10 ARM possibly soon) alongside the MacBook.
If I can get what I need from a single MacBook, but go for say 64GB RAM to have 32GB each for Mac and Windows via Parallels that might be tempting for simplicity. I’d need a big fat SSD as well.
I would also wait for a chip without the recently discovered security vulnerability, even if it’s unlikely to impact me I’d rather wait for one without the flaw wheee possible.
Great vid thanks
My 2017 15” touchbar mbp is still working just fine. Touchbar fan here. No need to upgrade till it breaks all I’ve had to do was change the battery once. I bought the M2 16” mbp and still used the 2017 so I returned it.
Thank you for this honest, clear explanation. I actually still own a 2016 13” MacBook Pro with the Intel CPU and butterfly keyboard. While it works well for me, it is slow compared to current machines, and it is also two major MacOS versions behind because it isn’t supported by them. So I plan to sell it and get a 13” M3 MacBook Air, with 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD. And that machine should last me another 8 years like the MacBook Pro did.
I'm running a photography business with a 2013 iMac 27" (with a Synology). I need to make a move. Is it worth waiting for the Studio to come out with an M3 chip or is the current M2 chip a safe buy? I really don't want to use a MBP as a desktop computer, but it does have the M3 chip. Thanks in advance.
If you can still do things with your 2013, then M1 is enough. The only difference with M2/M3 will be for how many years you can drag it. RAM is the parameter that'll likely determine the longevity of your computer better than the CPU, given the usage you described.
Something I noticed in the past few weeks. I remember when the M1 Mac cam out they would do demos of people running Logic Pro and show that recording multiple instruments while playing basically a symphony of instruments was doable. And this is actually true for my uses when I first got one. I upgrade to Logic 11, and all of the sudden, I am playing a bass part along with some drums I recorded and it's quitting on me multiple times. It's almost as if there is code in the app that says if they have an M1, randomly shut down so that they think they need to upgrade. Now of course this is not try, and its probably something I am doing wrong, Apple and other big tech companies would never do something like that. 😂
I tried a new macbook pro out in the store. Opened a bunch of apps, final cut pro, etc. I expected it to be lighting fast but it wasn’t. Rendering in fcp is probably way faster than my 2019 mbp, but I wasn’t blown away.
U said exactly what I thought! I’m still loving my base model 8gb M1 MacBook Pro that I edit and make music on. I’ve never felt like it’s struggling too much making me want to upgrade. It was such a jump in efficiency and performance that there would need to be another huge jump for me to change again
Last week I switched my 2019 Intel MacBook Air (because the screen was damaged) to the new MacBook Pro m3 pro. Apple Silicon is very fast and the battery lasts a long, long time!!! I confess that I was looking for the MacBook Air M1, but I decided to try a PRO version with M3. MB M1 is a good choice too.
We use an M1 MB Air and MB Pro, it seems like yesterday when we got it. I guess the later Apple M versions are great for power users or those still on Intel. Well worth it.
Just liked and subbed as I am a tech geek myself.
The small form factor is also the issue here. How much transistors can you fit and how much smaller can they get. Unless there is a new source rather then the typical silicone.
Spot on. Great analysis.
Excellent analysis.
You're right - there isn't a big performance reason to upgrade from M1 to M3. In fact, there's a big disincentive since here in Australia, Apple's price has gone up around 20%. Getting something equivalent to my 16-inch MacBook Pro M1Max 64GB, 2Tb is now $1000 more than when I got that model at launch. It's so hard to justify spending that. I think they need to reign in their prices - especially now that we have high performance ARM-based Windows laptop coming on stream.
This video deserves a thumbs up.Thanks buddy good video.
I’m not particularly computer savvy, so here goes. I have a 2008 Mac desktop computer. Works fine but sometimes a bit slow. I was going to purchase a new Mac desktop computer in the coming days. Should I reconsider this purchase? I was figuring on getting the base model. My needs are pretty simple. Any suggestions, again not computer savvy.