Can a Noob tell the difference between a calibrated and uncalibrated monitor?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2020
- #monitor #pcgaming #calibration
With this video, we have the long-awaited return of the "Can a noob tell the difference" video series.
Anna and I try and answer the question, do you need a monitor calibration tool and can a noob even tell the difference between a calibrated and uncalibrated monitor?
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I have no idea how to make sense of that chart
same i was staring at it for so long
same
The color coding to the x and 0 made me rethink my reasoning why I want to calibrate my monitor again.
@@rogerman104 wtf is going on in the chart????
Agree it wasn’t clear, and sadly you need a control like an image that is calibrated otherwise it’s just what’s your preference which is subjective anyway.
I definitely would like to see an older monitor calibrated.
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. Ill get on it. 👍
Yes please i second this
Yeah, an early 2000s 4:3 aspect ratio TFT monitors would be great.
a CRT one maybe
@@lndnfsu2 to be fair, CRT monitors had already better color accuracy and perfect blacks though.
100% would love to see an older monitor calibrated!
I will do. 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff still waiting btw 👉👈
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Are we still waiting or did I miss the video?
Bro, i use a sony 40” lcd panel from 2009, only oled or high end screens from atleast 2020, have better image quality then mine screen. I have barfed a lot looking at the newest television wondering where I am looking at, over saturated colours, no blacks but greys.. whattuhel happened to all those non oled screens from that area!? Was my screen really that good when I bought it!? Even a few of my friends texted me for tv advice for their ps5 since they all like the colours of my screen. Its not the sharpest or fastest display but hey🤷🏼♀️ its accurate, doesnt loose detail, and its stil doing the job!
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Is this still on your list?
Matching multiple monitors on a desk is also a good reason to calibrate.. although tweaking by eye will work (but takes a bunch of time). nothing drives me more crazy then having two almost identical monitors on my desk and seeing the grey tones be two or three completely different shades.
Thing is I found out that the cheaper spiderx doesn't actually match the greys across monitors. The twice as expensive one with more of the software unlocked has the feature to match monitors.
After buying the cheaper one and found out it didn't fix anything I just learned to live with it.
I calibrated two identical Viewsonic 2468s with the Spyder X Pro. They both looked quite similar, but not 100% exact. So I just made a few after-calibration cheats to the one that I don't use as much, and now they match quite well.
Uhm, so how do I read the table? Does an X mean that you got it correct?
Or does an X mean that you got it wrong? Because you cross something if it's wrong?
Does 0 mean wrong, i.e. getting zero points.
Or is zero supposed to represent a circle ○ and your system works like the Japanese notation (○ is right, × is wrong).
The strange thing is that both of Anna's charts have three Xs and nine 0s, but you say that she did badly after the media test but got everything correct after the gaming test. 🤨
I would suggest using a less ambiguous notation going forward. For example, using ✓for right and × for wrong avoids confusion. Or just use the letters "r" and "w" as abbreviations for right and wrong.
Just found out the channel, and came in the comments for that, I absolutely don't understand the table, it's extremely confusing.
pretty sure the X's are her guesses
I'd love to see an older monitor be calibrated or just a newer shity monitor. I'd also like to see another 1080p vs 1440p monitor comparison at 24in if that sounds interesting to you
That does sound interesting. I will look into it. 😃
100% would like to see the follow up - I use two cheap uncalibrated monitors at work and it drives me nuts because they both look quite different and after a while I can't even decide which is more accurate. I've tried OSD tweaks to get them closer but one is still warmer than the other and neither looks amazing
I don't think my monitor needs calibration at all.
Nice green shirt btw.
Underrated comment 🤣
I have an old Spyder 2 that I use for calibrating my monitors, but I mostly got it for checking old CRTs for failing capacitors. It gives clear indications as to which color is having problems.
I used to repair TVs for fun and profit back in the days when it was actually worth doing. I learned what a proper gray scale calibration looked like and how to tune the color guns on a old school crt to get there. Before everyone had calibration tapes or disks I'd tweak each set to show the best looking and accurate color picture I could get out of it.
Now that I have ulhd disks and a 4k tv I set it to what my calibration disk shows is accurate and then tweak from there to what I want to see. My pc monitor I set to what I think is right and of course sometimes something looks off and needs adjustments. My TV each input can be individually set to match whatever is feeding it as everything can use different standards or video quality level like 480p 1080p, 4k etc. I like things to look like a high quality 35mm color picture myself. I hate the flat dull look many movie modes give. It should look like whatever the producer was seeing on his screen however he wanted it to look. I'd love to see some calibration tests on older low end monitors too. My monitor is a LG ips monitor, 23", I got a good deal on. My 4k TV is a VA panel with hdr and local dimming so it has nice black levels with a lot of pop, but not so good off angle veiwing. I have a full motion mount for it so we can tweak it till it looks great from my veiwing position. It would be great to find a high quality crt pc monitor and calibrate it too. You could probably find a good one free somewhere now as nobody cares any more and wants a huge lcd screen. My last crt monitor was a 21" Sony and other than the tensioning wires in the screen it looked awesome playing games and weighed a ton. I have to admit text on screen is way easier to read at native resolution on a lcd but other than that video and pictures look great on a quality crt and they don't care about the resolution, it all looks good.
Thank you for taking the time to type up such an awesome comment. I agree that it is really nice to see what the director and cinematographer intended. The dull flat look is not nearly as pleasing. I am very excited for microLED to become a thing, because the compramise between IPS and VA is not ideal.
Thanks for all the details about your experience
I will see if I can get my hands on a CRT for that kind of test.
Some games will disable the local colour profile so it could potential (temporarily) remove your calibration.
The reason I calibrate is simply because there is a difference between my left and right monitor that disappears completely after calibration. The brightness is 108 vs 107.9 and then the colors get matched. Basically without it only the brightness is matched and it is noticeable when dragging a screen around. Which causes a headache sometime. (After reinstalling windows for example. My left screen supports DDC/CI so that is calibrated using hardware the right one does not so I have to manually set things and apply a profile.)
The chart was the most complicated thing I have ever seen in my entire life. Stared for it for 3 minutes and gave up understanding it. Good video though!
Is there a color difference in identical model monitors [I'm planning a 3 monitor wide gaming setup (48:9)] or is the difference negligible as long as they are all at the same settings? I have seen pictures of other setups that looked like there was a color difference between the monitors and wondered if it was just the monitors usage causing difference or just laziness in the setup of the monitors? Basically do they all just need to be calibrated so they match or does it matter in this case?
I bought an Eizo RX340 used; it has a small robotic arm thats pops out of the border of the monitor and calibrates it periodically automatically. The Japanese are basically living 100 years ahead of us at any given time
Most people won't need a calibrator but it depends on your needs. I work as a designer and have a monitor that can store 3 different colour calibrations in it's memory (not software), which is handy for using different computers with it. But back on track. I have set it up to use different Pantone colour books that I use within InDesign and Illustrator so as the colour will be reproduced the same way when it's printed. Also great for photography and video if you're a pro.
I had one lying around after I bought it on sale for like $120 several months ago not knowing if I should sell it at a higher value or keep it around.
Then when I turned on my brand new MAG274QRF-QD two weeks ago I knew its time finally came and I don't regret it one bit even if I never have to use it ever again.
I just calibrated two of my lenovo s22e-19 ($120aud each) and my lenovo x260 laptop monitors with an xrite i1 display pro. Definetly can see the difference as all monitors were obviously more bluish hue and saturated (especially the computer monitors). Yes the calibrator cost me more than both the monitors combined. But now i can also help my calubrate their monitors or even charge people to calibrate their monitors for a small fee, and i can always resell the device after the calibration.
it heavily depends on the type of matrix- most of VA panels look absolutely awful uncalibrated even on expensive monitors like dell 3422dwg when IPS is doing just fine
Great video! I would definitely like see older monitors calibrated since...well...that's what I own. I have the Good Will shop specials since I am so damn poor! 😁😁
You and me both!!!
I'm interested in seeing that calibration of an old monitor. I would also like to see if you can compare some tools to calibrate monitors at different price point, just to see if some cheaper one are still doing an ok job.
My potty-mouth is so well edited out of this video 😂
Anna Muller wait no way you’re the Anna in the video lol if so tell Dawid he’s GOD
Do you have any reviews on keypads for gaming not sure if I wanna get one or if its even worth it thanks
"For this test we used a monitor that was already well calibrated out of the box"
lmao dude
what the hell
That calibrater thingy does cost more than my monitor did xD
And it's a 27" 144Hz FHD IPS display :D
If you order from Amazon, you can use it to calibrate and then return it lol.
I worked in a parking lot and found cool stuff in the trash sometimes. One time I found a dvr with a 1tb hdd in it. Score. Another time I found an old old lcd monitor. It was from the early days of lcd. Was neat and worked, but the screen had really bad scuffs and scratches... Sad....
I’m interested in your follow up video as I have VA panel. I would also like your opinions on the use of the OEM calibration software vs a 3rd party software. The Amazon reviews make it sound like the software provided by Datacolor is garbage. Thank you!
Cue Dawid calibrating everything in sight.
Btw fun fact: Calibrating monitors for print and design shops was once my job :)
That's awesome! Very interesting job.
You know it. I'ma calibrate the crap out of everything. 😂
Dawid Does Tech Stuff you should do a review on the spider print tool for calibrating printers
Yes I want to see a follow up video to this one with the crappy monitors, did you do one already?
Anna laughs a lot, but she always laughs the hardest when Dawid is in physical or emotional distress. I like her!
Oh yeah, do the follow up video - lets see whats shakin in the monitor world.
Anyone who works in retail selling TVs knows that most people are attracted to the brighter display. Did you control for brightness between the calibrated and uncalibrated displays?
Colour calibration is only important for consistency between forms of display. A person's opinion between a calibrated or uncalibrated image is a judgment of the colours used in the image/video, not an opinion on its colour accuracy.
I need help to calibrate my bank balance. Which calibration tool do you recommend?
Niel Kotze not this $200 tool that you’ll maybe twice, once for your monitor and then once for your tv lol
Hello! Is the software that comes with the SpyderX Pro good enough? Or is DisplayCal an even better solution?
don't use spyder its an armature product. use the industry professional standard gear, the i1 display pro. its comes wiht i1 profiler. excellent device I use it a lot.
Can you do color calibration on unpopular wide-gamut monitors? Like I have a G242 Optix, but I literally cannot find a single video on it in the internet. Much appreciated.
It's not deathly important, but I like the peace of mind knowing that the colours are (at least somewhat) accurate because I do a bit of web/graphic/video stuff
Looking for your advice. I purchased a few laptops a couple from Walmart, Target, and Costco. They are basically the same/similar laptops, HP 15.6/14 in the cheaper options with i5, but they have iRisX graphics from Intel.
I am not a photographer, but it seems laptops from WM have very much washed-out screens, not saturated dark/black images and much so when looking from the top/side. This is not the case in laptops from Costco/Target. Is it too much gamma? I tried adjusting in Win 11 using the built-in calibrater, but after a bit of adjusting, Win 11 keeps on switching back to the washed/whiter images.
What can I use to calibrate and overwrite Windows' presets, and make the changes "stick"?
Thank you
If I may, I'd highly suggest watching the "How to Calibrate your Monitor - 4 Methods" video by Bijan Jamshidi _before_ doing the 2nd iteration of this video, as he gives some insights and information in that video that'd be of benefit to your testing, and thereby, your audience. Much luv Dawid, and keep up the good work!
Anna has simply grown accustomed to the uncalibrated monitors.
@Dawid the photo viewing part of this test is useless. You're using the default windows Photos app and it ignores ICC profiles.
I don't know if Doom does it either, but a lot of games do, so that might be invalid too.
If you game in borderless window or with fullscreen optimizations enabled on up to date Windows 10, most recent(-ish) games will be color corrected.
Color calibrating monitors has been a long service here in my country. Would definitely want to see a video on a TN panel being calibrated
i calibrated my TN gaming monitor. was definately an improvement. and for the cash that you would spend paying someone to do it you might aswell buy a colorimeter yourself and you can calibrate any panel you want in the future.
Nice video. Thanks i bought a new 2k 144hz monitor and was wondering if should calibrate it even if looks great by gaming. Anna looks also nice 👍
Hi sir i got benq pd2700q monitor for my editing. It is nice and perfect. But when i am printing album page images are little dark. But while viewing the monitor I can't see that dark. I tried deferent printers but still same dark problem. Do you have any idea or suggestions for this sir? Or do I need to calibrate my monitor (benq pd2700q)?. Please help thank you. How can I caliborate without meter
one of the most intelligent channels out there. keep up the good work.
I clicked on this video just because I noticed we have the same desktop wallpaper @0:04
Nice video but the results tables are really confusing. One thing I would like to ask is why Anna prefer the uncalibrated monitor more.
Some Monitor vendors offer colorprofiles for their products on their website. Have you testet some of those?
Colour calibration is for workflow (camera, monitor, print) it’s not for generally looking at a screen.
How much wide gamut are those monitors of yours because if you have 97% DCI-P3 on your hands you definitely want to calibrate even when only consuming media. I did it on MSI 274QRF-QD with Spyder X Pro and difference is like night and day. Only way to fight the super saturation is full calibration.
Nice video bro keep working hard🙌🙌
Monitor testing?! I was previously promised Anna for these... I'm gonna press play now and see what happens.
Yes!! She just popped in! Nice work!
She will definitely be involved. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I love all your stuff to be fair. I just like having Anna's input as well with monitors. She makes it so there's stakes at play lol. Cheers you two!
I don't really understand how little Spider-Man works. So he's using the software and his sensor to move my RGB and 6-axis color sliders without touching them? If I check the monitor after the calibration, are the values changed? And if I'm not happy with the calibration, can I just reset it on the monitor?
Does this work with 4K TVs hooked up to your computer?
in audible after @5:00 ... Have the feeling Anna is guessing, no arguments why the monitor is calibrated or not (blind test). Interesting topic though but would rather see a review or explanation how to calibrate your monitor than this guesswork
Since i can't find a follow up video on this the answer is yes, it makes a huge difference on lower end and older monitors, while it won't be good enough for professional work (because there's only so much you can do with a low end monitor without proper OSD calibration options) it is night and day compared to factory defaults, my eight year old ASUS 1080p 144hz TN panel monitor gets comparable results to my much newer VA Samsung monitor, as in it's not a night and day difference outside of the panel specific characteristics, granted it's a low-mid range G5 which i got pretty cheap to hold me over for a sale on a G7.
That said it probably wouldn't be worth spending the money on a calibrator for a low end monitor unless you can get it cheap, like an old Spyder 4 or something which works great with DisplayCal (which is free), personally i don't think the software for Spyder 4 produces a good result but it might have gotten better since last i tried it.
guess color calibration is useless for me, cause I use blue light filter glasses, so I see real-world slightly yellowish lol
Oh yes please I have a Acer 24" FHD 144HZ 1080P 1ms. It is a TN panel and I want better colors in my gaming. I have been thinking of getting a color calibrator before getting a new monitor. Do think it's worth it?
@Dawid Does Tech Stuff did you do the follow-up video yet?
I work with calibrating tvs and sometimes the calibration is the difference between grass being neon green and looking normal. Definitely do the cheap monitor calibration. I know tvs are mostly VA and IPS but still.
Also calibrating a CRT will be extra fun :D
@@cybercat1531 yeah lol, I'd love to see him do that 😂
Can I use the spyder on my XP pen graphics tab?
Colour calibrate a CRT monitor! :D
my anoyance is with gradients if the blacks turn to rainbows like that frustrates me on a bad monitor since i notice it in any dark tone in textures for games then i look on a other monitor and its fine but other colors are off
and then there is the issue your monitor is calibrated yet if other people dont have the same monitor they would still see it wrong and not how it was supposed to be the only thing atleast is that if its calibrated its the same result on every monitor as intended
If I want to play the latest games on max settings but have no talent for pc building should I just buy the Alienware Aurora Ryzen Edition if I have the money? Or would you recommend something else.
I have absolutely no idea how to read those charts with reds greens Xs and Os 🥴
Can't understand those scores for the life of me. is the X the correct or the wrong ones?
TFT Central has many monitor profiles to enable close to calibrated results. Check them out too?
I think it is okay to play with the look in between the delta e of around 3~. Because also the meters are not perfect. The last way are our eyes. But of you have no idea about calibration trust the meter over your eyes.
I need to calibrate my eyeballs.
PS: Calibration is critical for "looking at pictures." Gotta have those natural skin tones.
PSS: On a more serious note, I recommend trying out DisplayCAL calibration software, even if you're using a Datacolor Spyder. It seems to have more consistent results, and it has more customization options (more gamma curves, black crush fixes, etc).
I downloaded a icc profile made by a guy with one of this tools, he got many upvotes in a reddit post, i trusted him and my monitor looks better.
Thats awesome! I'm glad it made your monitor better for you. What monitor do you use? 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Acer Predator XB271HU it's a 1440p 165hz ips, very good colors, but the blacks aren't deep enough imo.
@@greggreg2458 That is a great monitor. I think the next big step in black levels will be with the mainstream introduction of microled tech. Until then low black level IPS is our best bet. 😁
I think a sub $250 va and tn gaming monitor should be tested :)
Ur video's are sooo refreshing
im an artist, i do a lot of digital work and i can honestly say this has been one of the biggest things in recent years that people do in our field, and one of the things i need to realllllly stop neglecting to do
not colorspectrometer but colorimeter. color spectrometer is a different tool. and the better considered tool is the i1 display pro. a more professional brand. better results and capabilities.
Very interesting video. I like it good job
Yay Anna!
I haven’t calibrated my monitor yet, still looks good
I would love to see what happens when you calibrate an older monitor.
From a gaming perspective, I have always calibrated my monitors as I feel it gets me closer to the developers vision for the game. Also I don't tend to throw a hideous reshade preset over my games.
Plus it's also worth noting that an uncalibrated monitor is going to essentially have random values, so not everyone will prefer theirs uncalibrated vs calibrated. Also, monitors tend to go out of calibration over time, so repeating it every month or two is good practice.
you do know that once you start a game, the game software will use its own color profile. So your calibrated profile which you created with spyder will not be used...
@@whatsuphelp Thats not how 99.9999% of software ever worked on any PC.
Your monitor settings remain the same.
Hey, what wallpaper is that?
Nvm... I realized i liked it because it was the same as I already have...
I calibrate my work monitor (I produce social media content for a big govt agency) and even though my SpyderX Pro is in my car at the moment, I wouldn't bother calibrating my home PC. I wouldn't bother with my work one either if there weren't 10 other calibrated monitors in my office that would look slightly different.
If you open explorer or a white/grey/black web page, your eyes will adjust and see it as white. Everything else adjusts relative to that. People say if you have (for example) a green shift, you'll produce content where the greens are under-represented. But your eyes will adjust. In extreme colour shift cases it makes sense.
Anyone with an RGB mouse, keyboard, tower or even tungsten/fluro lighting in their workspace is wasting time and money using a calibrator.
i have BenQ XL2411P like 8:34 , i'm agree about all what talking about of it, it's so bad colors because it's TN panel.
Yes I want to see
I'd like to see you calibrate an old TN monitor with a how to guide if that's possible
dawid be rockin the fancy hairdo today
it makes a big difference on a monitor/tv that is way off out of the box. i calibrated my TV yesterday and the colors were so wrong that it was not even funny and thats even without a calibration file just basic R G B gain tweaks.
Is this a good option for normalizing a multimonitor setup?
whats your intro music
Its a track from epidemic sound. I unfortunately can't remember it's name.
I want to see an old monitor calibrated I have an old hp monitor that i want to do this with I replaced it with an lg ips and the colors are night and day. That level in Doom is a bad test I would test Mario Kart 8, Crash N Sane Trilogy, and old ps1 and snes games that are bright and colorful. The colors on my lg made me actually appreciate the graphics of games before ps1 and made me prefer to turn off shaders and filters.
I don't want to be picky, but the SpyderX is a colorimeter, not a spectrophotometer. I don't know if the internal lens of the SpyderX can be called spectrophotometer, but calling them that way can be kind of misleading, since spectrophotometer cost is over 10 times the price of this tool.
interesting video. nice.
Yes! Cheap monitor challenge!
Additional caveat you are assuming that all panels will look the same at the end but you don't know how much of the colour spectrum the monitors are able to provide I.E you can't expect a monitor that covers 82% of sRGB to look as good as a monitor than can cover 99% sRGB as it does not have the ability to reproduce all of the colours so it can look the same. That also will transfer across VA, WA, IPS and OLED as each of them can only produce the colour spectrum to a certain degree. My other question is how well does this spider device get on with 10bit colour?
i always find the idea that only certain people need calibrated monitors odd. Why shouldn't everyone want a monitor that displays colors correctly? After all, what do you think your iPhone does automatically? It adjusts white balance and brightness/contrast for you automatically depending on the lighting condition. Monitors should do the same thing.
I like the other one better cuz you can do projectors
easy to tell, calibrated monitors look warmer
Problem is that brightness of calibrated screen is so absurdly high i cant watch them without growing a headache so my colours will never be calibrated as it requires higher brightness. Plus i believe bright screens are bad for your eyes.
The "standard" brightness of a calibrated monitor is 120 cd/m2. Most people (gamers, especially) would consider that quite dim. Brightness generally has little to do with calibration/color correction, it only depends on your ambient light - if you're calibrating in a brightly lit room, you'll have to set your brightness high for "correct" brightness, if you're calibrating in a dim lit room, your monitor brightness will also be lower. The recommended ambient light levels used for color accurate work are generally quite low.
And regardless, if you prefer a different brightness than what is considered correct, nothing stops you from calibrating your monitor for that brightness. You can calibrated your monitor for 80 cd/m2 if you want and use it in a near dark room.
Yep calibrate that old beast. Also keep the beard, you freak me out without it.
i`d love to see this kind of video done with old/low end monitors 👍👍👍
Am I the only one who noticed motion blur in his games when he showed them being played on screen? Hmm, is that deliberate or is my monitor bugging
Yes, do it