I think the "It's going to be tight" assumed they pick somewhere else for childcare. She said $3300 net, so taxes are paid, but she literally doesn't understand what a number is if she thought food, insurance, and debt payments would be under $300 a month.
They probably wouldn’t pay much in taxes if they’re earning under 50. Once you take deductions and child tax credit, they’d probably get money back. Childcare is the major concern though. You could probably do a hardship deferral on student loan debt…
Dave's right- being debt free gives flexibility. I went back to school for 3 years, cutting our income in half, but having no debt and some savings, we just lived super cheap. We even had a child with a year left and still made it through. We had no money left at the end, but then things got a lot better quickly...and my wife went to stay-at-home Mom.
I’m so thankful I found this channel. I’ve started the snowball process at my big age 53. Fortunately, I don’t have the debt a lot of these people have. But the little I have is holding me back. I’m glad to finally be taking control of my finances and it feels good. I love these guys and gal ❤
What's scary is that she started out saying that yes they could do it but it would be tight🤯🤯🤯. I was a personal banker for over 15 years.....trust me folks you can not save some people from themselves!!
Yeah she was making this seem like something it wasn’t. She said 8-13 months 7 days a week 9to5 and don’t plan on working. That’s isn’t how any school( trade or not) works. And she said no travel… until she sees the money to get his ass out the house for a month. She has no problem, but wanted to call in with a manufactured problem and has her husband looking like an asshole.
..and couple are literally assuming he’s ll get hired immediately - get a decent paying job, apprenticeship, then a super high paying job. In that exact order! Omg. What if he gets hurt.. thier child gets sick.. in laws need assistance.. they have a house fire and insurance doesn’t cover etc etc!
They need a wait least a year, and possibly until the kids are out of daycare. They don’t know their expenses if they have nothing left over after making $100k.
This, surprised they didn't pick up on it. They're currently spending 100k, start living on 40k (if you can) while making 100k and possibly more with some extra work, you'll either knock the debt out VERY quickly and get some savings to live off of while he's in school, or you'll see how your plan is impossible.
I use mine are occasional child care for a date afternoon or just a break but I’d never think of asking them Monday through Friday eight hours a day. 😅 that’s such a commitment.
True, but some grandparents don't want to help :) And if they do, then it could become a toxic situation. "Well i did this for you for free, etc" and use it against them later.
I worked for the power company alongside the lineman for many, many years, and trust me he needs to simply get hired first b/c how much they will pay to train you! They are hurting for new hires in that world of work! ALSO, isn't there any type of program or he can learn his craft at night?(aka. Night School certification.)
I've discovered you guys through social media and immediately fell in love with all the financial advices you give on your show and the fact that they are heavily influenced by the scriptures, as a believer it makes them more legitimate and affirming for me. I'm from India and I wish there was an Indian version of the show which was aligned with the Indian constitution, taxation system and finance ministry. Keep doing what you are doing. God bless you.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508it's everyone's job who has kids. I remember my dad being the one who wrote the checks paying for mine and my sisters' childcare. Tell me again why a man would not know about how much a couple is discussing regarding how much to budget for childcare?
A good test. Cut your spending to 33k for the next year. Use his income to pay off the debt. If you cant do it, glad you figured it out. If you can, do it next year with no debt.
I will ALWAYS help my kids watch my grandbabies. It's a beautiful gift to be there for grandbabies. I would even move if I had to to help them. I hope her parents can help.
@@Jia9s it's not for everyone. But I have done it. I took care of and moved to help get my daughter in law established after she graduated college. I needed, to make sure her and my grandson were ok getting their lives started.
Thanks for the advice! I'm new to financial planning and wasn't sure where to start. Any tips on finding a reliable financial adviser or resource to guide beginners?
As a beginner, it's essential for you to have a mentor that is verified by finra and SEC to keep you accountable. I'm guided by a widely known financial consultant Stacey Macken
Wow...I know her too she is a licensed broker and a FINRA agent she is popular in US and Canada she is really amazing woman with good skills and experience.
Stacey doesn't just see trading as a way to make money for herself. She's been actively teaching others her strategies and helping them achieve financial independence too
I understand wanting to go back to school to get a better paying job. I did that myself in my early 30's. And money was tight. You've got to have your ducks in a row first though. We did, mostly. My wife was the hero there. It was her hard work and steady paycheck that made it possible. I worked in the summers but that didn't bring in all that much money. And when school was in session if I was awake I was in class, doing homework, or working on class projects. A 16 hour long school day was what I called a vacation ;) But 3 years of that and I started out making 3x what I had been making, and with experience I'm now making 14x that amount and at least 7x of what I'd be making if I hadn't gone back to school.
i mean they are making 100k together they dont really need a nother job or more money lol. once kids are in school they be way richer. me and my so make half this but we dont have 35k in debt lol or child care.
It boggles my mind that people don't think through these things in advance. I don't understand how they got this far down the road of him going to school without even considering how they were going to live without his salary for 18 months.
Well I consider this call part of the "thinking it through" process. She was on the fence, and Dave's advice was the deal breaker. At least this call wasn't a "hey Dave, we're three months into my husbands schooling and we're broke!"
@@demo2382 Yes, they still had the time to put this schooling on hold before they realized too late that they can't live with a 60% cut in their household income.
My wife and I were in a precarious situation. She was going on maternity leave and I was going into student teaching and would be working unpaid besides my part-time custodial job. Fortunately there was a teacher resignation and I got hired as a long-term sub until the end of the school year. I genuinely have no idea how we would have made it otherwise.
This is backwards. You go to school BEFORE you have kids. Cutting income by 60% to go to school is ridiculous when you have two kids needing child care.
I'm glad someone else felt this way too. You know it's a terrible idea when as an outsider, you can just feel the stress of this whole situation. Don't do it! I bet this guy is regretting a few life decisions that led up to this point.😂
Just golfed with a guy who was a lineman. He said that usually they have work lined up for 2 years in advance, but right now, they will run out of work in 3-4 months. I guess the regional electrical company didn't get very good rate increases and are deferring maintenance.
I think their best bet is to wait for him to go back to school/this program until both kids are at least in full-day kindergarten. Another 4 years or so. They’d still have to pay for childcare during the summers and school holidays/breaks but maybe the grandparents can help with some of that (a day here and there), and they’d at least have 4 years to save up money they’d need to spend to live on during the time their income is cut by 60%.
Girl, my nephew did that right after graduating high school. He got an awesome job but alignment was so difficult on the body, working brutal hours, sometimes 27 hrs shifts and then given only 6 hours off and go back to do another 12 hour shift! He asked for more hours off to get some sleep and the boy got fired. Yes, the boss is terrible but the first two years, you and your husband won’t see each other much because of those shifts and no time off for the holidays. My nephew hasn’t found another alignment job yet, the market is tough
I am a bit confused 🤔 So your new household income (if your husband commits to full time school) is $3300 Mortgage is $1000 Childcare is $2000 What were you expecting Dave to tell you🤔❓
At first she said the math was mathing and then it was mathing. This the real reason people are broke and living paycheck to paycheck. Goodness people THINK!!!
My wife and I pay $400 a week for a full-time nanny for my 2 year-old .. Next month is her last month with us. We've found a daycare that will cost us about $165 per week.. cannot wait.
A daycare with many clients can afford to be cheaper than a nanny working just for you. I don’t know how she supported herself off so little money. Did she live with you? Also some people I know with nannies work odd hours or travel a lot for work.
@analyticalchick3064 you think I'm gonna live with a nanny forever? At some point, my child needs to be around other kids. That's good for his overall development.
Plus, financial strain like that (e.g. foreclosures, debt defaults) tank even a strong marriage, which would _really_ screw this all up. I think waiting a year or so when they can *afford* to do this is a far wiser and more responsible plan. 100% agree with DR here.
This is why as a man you need to have your career completely together before starting a family. What the male want to do is quite commendable cuz he's thinking about the future income he will make which will benefit the family in the long run. However the wife and kids don't want to sacrifice during the time in school. They are only thinking about the short-term and not the long-term. If the wife was smart she would just sacrifice for that year and a half because in the end they all will reap the benefits. But if they want to be comfortable now his income will never increase. Sometimes you need to take one step backwards to take two step forward but people don't see that
Rice & beans, beans & rice, sell the fancy pickup, the RV, the jet skis, and the snow machines and save up. It's awesome him to be a high-wire electrician, and they will have it made when he does, but they got to prep for it.
Take a loan. Get it done. Pay off the loan over a two year period and you’re solid. By the time he makes journeyman you’re golden. At master you’re set for life
Use the next year as a test - live off the wifes income (assuming they find a daycare alternative) and throw his whole income at the debt until its gone then save his income until school starts
Their best bet would be to save enough money to cover the difference while he is in school. Maybe even wait 2 years and the kids may be a little older and be in school and that would help a lot if one of them wasn’t going to day care.
If I was in that family's shoes, I would hold off on doing the study for another year or two. But during that time, they need to pay off their debts and strengthen their emergency fund & general savings.
Putting life out of order sets people up to fail. I put off having kids for 8 years while I earned my degrees, graduated, got a job, and then paid off every cent of student loan debt. THEN I had kids with my wife and we have set them a SOLID foundation. And I gotta say, my little family matters so much more to me than my career. Work is just baby food as far as I’m concerned.
He needs to try to get in with a large utility company. They usually will pay you while you get the education. Then you will be required to stick with them for a few years after you get your certificate. Yes, he will make less once certified, but at least thefamily can eat. Then once his debt to the company is paid, he can go with a private firm for the big money. Uave to play the long game. There are no short cuts.
Biggest takeaway here is that she takes home $3300.....Child care is $2000. If she stayed home with the kids they could go with just 1 car instead of 2. Assuming only a 50 mile round-trip commute including dropping off the kids at daycare at 50 cents per mile means the cost for the car alone is $500 per month. So she is truly working for just $800 per month and missing the chance to raise the kids. Not the best decision. If they go out to restaurants or get coffee for 3 or 4 bucks each day because of the lack of time, then that eats up the rest of the money..........................Also, if they were making over 100K per year, they should have tons of money saved up already and be out of debt, unless they were blowing money on other stuff.
Why isn't Dave saying the obvious: to do this, they will be putting everything on cards and borrowing from family. No confrontation about how they thought they'd manage it?
Here is the solution... 1. Talk to grandma and grandpa. Discuss the plan with them. See if they can watch the grandkids. Offer to pay them monthly for it 25-50% of daycare. Unless they are complete asses they are going to help. Guy needs to get a part time job to help cover expenses. Bring in at least $2k a month. She should look for something she can do from home to bring in extra money. Might be a little uncomfortable for a little while, but get it done. You can do a hardship forbearance on the student loan debt. Lots of ways to make this work.
talk to your parents if I was the grand parent I would totally watch kids for a year so you can get that place in your life but they seemed to not even see what to do. other option is get a student loan lol.
This is a specialized skill. I don't think he wants to be able to learn with a clear head, not getting a text saying the card declined. I agree. Put it off til you can be comfortable while he's in school.
This reminds me of the experiment with 1st graders to see if they had patience. A big puffy marshmallow was placed in front of the child and he or she was told that if they waited while the adult was out of the room and they didn't eat it, then they would get 2 marshmallows when the adult came back. It was funny to watch the kiddos go through the torture of waiting and a few of them ate the marshmallow. Patience is often a real trial. If the couple gets their financial ducks in a row to be able to withstand a year-plus dip in income, then one year will be worth the wait. I suggest a vision board that they can see every day, where they can picture 1) all their debt (except the mortgage) being paid off, 2) the childcare is an alternative with a much lower price - like maybe there is a childcare option at her husband's school? 3) her husband graduates from his school and 4) he lands a job where they can fulfill baby steps with ease. I hope they do it!
She has to be home with them daycare is too expensive unless they get a family member to help full time and she goes back to work full time husband needs to work instead of school until the kids are old enough to be in school full time
@@jesussaves89yes, and if/ when her husband goes back to school family is already going to be helping full time +. The dad is in school 9-5 including weekends so all of moms work time + commute grandparents would be watching them. You can’t really work an extra job in that case because grandparents are already watching the kids a bunch
@@gracepettersen5282 ya I mean whatever works for them I don’t know them but I think they deff need extra help it takes a village to raise kids for sure in this modern day world and economy! I hope they are able to figure it out and be ok! Blessings and love
Maybe they’ve been trying to figure out a way for her to be a stay-at-home wife/mother to their children, as 2/3 of her take home pay is going straight to childcare. He’s got to make more money for this to happen. They just didn’t sit down and write everything (income vs expenses) on paper, as see the stark reality of their situation of their situation a year ago. The failure to plan for this major change is going to result in a major disappointment for them.
The parents watching the kids doesn't have to be all or nothing. If they do half the childcare duty that would cut daycare cost in half. Plus dropping their income that low would totally change income tax situation and take home pay for her should increase. Find some stuff to sell and now we're talking about a chance at revisiting the numbers. At first it sounds impossible but the key is the daycare issue.
How are you even thinking of doing this when you dont make enough to pay anything other than daycare and mortgage payment? Not even thinking about the debt payments, or food, or insurance, or transportation or anything at all.
starting a family before you're even able to pay for yourselves. and the children are just collateral damage at this point when you have them in full time care to do this. disgusting, reckless, selfish.
I don't understand. Who has the student debt her or him? Why did they go to school for something and waste the money on college and it doesn't pay well enough? I want know who's debt and what they both do for a living now.
Doesn't matter. They are married and it is their debt. Combined income, combined debt. He works for the power company, and wants to get advanced training.
@@damondiehl5637 Did she say he already works there? Usually then they pay for it. It matters because I'm wondering if she took out loans only to make 40 a year or if he took out loans only to want to career change a few years later.
“I’m not a dream-killer, but I love killing nightmares.” Best quote of the year.
Hahaha I was just reading this comment as he said that. Crazy.
@@jessecruz7902me too, lmao
+1 that is a great quote
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I love it
Earns 3300, 1000 for house, 2000 for childcare, there is nothing left! Nothing for taxes, food, phone/utility bills. What a disaster
I think the "It's going to be tight" assumed they pick somewhere else for childcare. She said $3300 net, so taxes are paid, but she literally doesn't understand what a number is if she thought food, insurance, and debt payments would be under $300 a month.
Think it’s $33,000 net (40,000 gross) per year.
That’s even less per month… Def not doable 🤦♂️
They probably wouldn’t pay much in taxes if they’re earning under 50. Once you take deductions and child tax credit, they’d probably get money back. Childcare is the major concern though. You could probably do a hardship deferral on student loan debt…
The $3,300 was after taxes. Still is impossible though
@@cacsoccer101 agree.
She isn't listening and she doesn't want to admit that this is not the right time to pursue this.
Dave's right- being debt free gives flexibility. I went back to school for 3 years, cutting our income in half, but having no debt and some savings, we just lived super cheap. We even had a child with a year left and still made it through. We had no money left at the end, but then things got a lot better quickly...and my wife went to stay-at-home Mom.
Pump another one
Well done!
@@Nowt117No he should just get a fur baby lol 😂 lol 😂
I’m so thankful I found this channel. I’ve started the snowball process at my big age 53. Fortunately, I don’t have the debt a lot of these people have. But the little I have is holding me back. I’m glad to finally be taking control of my finances and it feels good. I love these guys and gal ❤
keep going! we are rooting for you!
That’s awesome! It’s really never too late to start! Hope you’ve some paid off! Is it just consumer debt?
Good, its never too late to right our financial situations, power to you and hope you can finally have financial freedom
What's scary is that she started out saying that yes they could do it but it would be tight🤯🤯🤯. I was a personal banker for over 15 years.....trust me folks you can not save some people from themselves!!
If you get into a power company they will train you while working and get your lineman certification. I know. I work for one!
Yeah she was making this seem like something it wasn’t. She said 8-13 months 7 days a week 9to5 and don’t plan on working. That’s isn’t how any school( trade or not) works. And she said no travel… until she sees the money to get his ass out the house for a month.
She has no problem, but wanted to call in with a manufactured problem and has her husband looking like an asshole.
may i ask what do you do specifically? :) curious about how to get into this industry as a mech engineering graduate
That's what I was thinking, I was raised by a lineman and he got fully trained with the company on the jobsite!
"I don't like killing dreams, but I love killing nightmares." 😂
-Dave Ramsey
A friend of my son’s just went through lineman school. It is not only intense, but very dangerous.
..and couple are literally assuming he’s ll get hired immediately - get a decent paying job, apprenticeship, then a super high paying job. In that exact order! Omg. What if he gets hurt.. thier child gets sick.. in laws need assistance.. they have a house fire and insurance doesn’t cover etc etc!
“This is grown up land” is hilarious. Idc who you are 😂😂😂😂😂
Some people are flat out delusional
Yes definitely.
I have worked for a Utility company for nearly 30 years. I have never heard of a Lineman's course that is 7 days a week.
They need a wait least a year, and possibly until the kids are out of daycare. They don’t know their expenses if they have nothing left over after making $100k.
This, surprised they didn't pick up on it. They're currently spending 100k, start living on 40k (if you can) while making 100k and possibly more with some extra work, you'll either knock the debt out VERY quickly and get some savings to live off of while he's in school, or you'll see how your plan is impossible.
I fell out when Dave said “so what Wheehhh”👶🏾🍼😂😂😂
He’s so funny
“Call the wahhh balance “ 😂
😂😂😂😂
First time I’ve heard someone NOT want to use their parents as free daycare during their retirement years. How unselfish of them😊
I agree with this but also the parents made a decision to have the kid so they are free to stay whenever
Unselfish and responsible parents.
I use mine are occasional child care for a date afternoon or just a break but I’d never think of asking them Monday through Friday eight hours a day. 😅 that’s such a commitment.
I kept my grandkids, but I was paid. Win on both sides.
True, but some grandparents don't want to help :) And if they do, then it could become a toxic situation. "Well i did this for you for free, etc" and use it against them later.
3,000 a month in just child care and mortgage when your take home is 3,300 is INSANEEEE. Either increase your income and cut daycare or DONT do it.
I feel like it's common sense to talk about the finances before the feelings. Fact over feeling
I worked for the power company alongside the lineman for many, many years, and trust me he needs to simply get hired first b/c how much they will pay to train you! They are hurting for new hires in that world of work! ALSO, isn't there any type of program or he can learn his craft at night?(aka. Night School certification.)
I went to school for my MBA by taking classes at night and on weekends....and my job paid for the MBA.
“I’m not a dream killer, but I love killing nightmares.” Dave is such a legend.
I've discovered you guys through social media and immediately fell in love with all the financial advices you give on your show and the fact that they are heavily influenced by the scriptures, as a believer it makes them more legitimate and affirming for me. I'm from India and I wish there was an Indian version of the show which was aligned with the Indian constitution, taxation system and finance ministry. Keep doing what you are doing. God bless you.
Bless her heart.
As a guy 1.5 years ago who informed Dave that daycare is at least $1k a month, im glad he finally accepts that reality.
A guy who knows the cost of daycare cannot be taken seriously.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Yes, you really are that grumpy. Why in the world wouldn't a guy know the cost of daycare?
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 I have a kid that goes to daycare, how would I not know?
@@black4vcobra That's usually the mother's job.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508it's everyone's job who has kids. I remember my dad being the one who wrote the checks paying for mine and my sisters' childcare. Tell me again why a man would not know about how much a couple is discussing regarding how much to budget for childcare?
Dave went ham on this call. No chill😂.
A good test. Cut your spending to 33k for the next year. Use his income to pay off the debt. If you cant do it, glad you figured it out. If you can, do it next year with no debt.
I will ALWAYS help my kids watch my grandbabies. It's a beautiful gift to be there for grandbabies. I would even move if I had to to help them. I hope her parents can help.
After 5 days a week and 8 hours a day of it, you'll be like "I'm gonna head out".
You say that until you actually have to do it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Jia9s it's not for everyone. But I have done it. I took care of and moved to help get my daughter in law established after she graduated college. I needed, to make sure her and my grandson were ok getting their lives started.
Thanks for the advice! I'm new to financial planning and wasn't sure where to start. Any tips on finding a reliable financial adviser or resource to guide beginners?
As a beginner, it's essential for you to have a mentor that is verified by finra and SEC to keep you accountable. I'm guided by a widely known financial consultant Stacey Macken
Wow...I know her too she is a licensed broker and a FINRA agent she is popular in US and Canada she is really amazing woman with good skills and experience.
I remember giving her my first savings $20000 and she opened a brokerage account for me it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me.
Yes I can believed that, I got victory with her, was so sad after receiving the first pay knowing I invested so low with fear
Stacey doesn't just see trading as a way to make money for herself. She's been actively teaching others her strategies and helping them achieve financial independence too
I understand wanting to go back to school to get a better paying job. I did that myself in my early 30's. And money was tight. You've got to have your ducks in a row first though. We did, mostly. My wife was the hero there. It was her hard work and steady paycheck that made it possible. I worked in the summers but that didn't bring in all that much money. And when school was in session if I was awake I was in class, doing homework, or working on class projects. A 16 hour long school day was what I called a vacation ;) But 3 years of that and I started out making 3x what I had been making, and with experience I'm now making 14x that amount and at least 7x of what I'd be making if I hadn't gone back to school.
i mean they are making 100k together they dont really need a nother job or more money lol. once kids are in school they be way richer. me and my so make half this but we dont have 35k in debt lol or child care.
@@TheRealTommyBear33i read you need at least $200k to live comfortably as a family of 4
@@samij6071 were california? family of 2 here living plenty comfortable on 25 percent of 200k lol
It boggles my mind that people don't think through these things in advance. I don't understand how they got this far down the road of him going to school without even considering how they were going to live without his salary for 18 months.
Then they ring and expect a quick fix
Well I consider this call part of the "thinking it through" process. She was on the fence, and Dave's advice was the deal breaker. At least this call wasn't a "hey Dave, we're three months into my husbands schooling and we're broke!"
@@demo2382 Yes, they still had the time to put this schooling on hold before they realized too late that they can't live with a 60% cut in their household income.
He's gonna do it they will go into more debt. She just called for validation.
My wife and I were in a precarious situation. She was going on maternity leave and I was going into student teaching and would be working unpaid besides my part-time custodial job. Fortunately there was a teacher resignation and I got hired as a long-term sub until the end of the school year. I genuinely have no idea how we would have made it otherwise.
This is backwards. You go to school BEFORE you have kids. Cutting income by 60% to go to school is ridiculous when you have two kids needing child care.
It can be done IF you can afford it. My mum worked as a nurse part time while studying by correspendece AFTER my youngest brother started school
It's doable in baby steps 4 5 and 6
@@Margatatials That must have been a long time ago.
@@analyticalchick3064 she had her first week the same week my brother started school in 2007
His choice of schooling is reasonable and logical. It sounds like an upgrade to an existing skillset. But they can't afford it.
omg this call had my heart racing... the stress
I'm glad someone else felt this way too. You know it's a terrible idea when as an outsider, you can just feel the stress of this whole situation. Don't do it! I bet this guy is regretting a few life decisions that led up to this point.😂
Just golfed with a guy who was a lineman. He said that usually they have work lined up for 2 years in advance, but right now, they will run out of work in 3-4 months. I guess the regional electrical company didn't get very good rate increases and are deferring maintenance.
I’m a lineman and I will tell you there is plenty plenty of work no matter where you are at.
@@debbie7771so just look up lineman work here in CT? Sign me up!
It's bullshit. Cut their exorbitant executive salaries and take care of the grid. That's their job. Tired of getting robbed by Eversource
I'm a lineman and I touched a live wire. I'm no longer a lineman or human@@AlphaAchilles
I can’t believe some of these callers! They’d better take heed
Go to the bulk rice and bean store cause that's all you're going to be eating to get by.
I go to school part-time (graduate next month), work full time. Just take what i can afford and work extra when it's available.
If they focused on getting out of debt, THAT would be the more efficient and immediate pay raise
Some of these callers sound like Dave is just going say ok I'll cut a check for you, lol. 😅
Brutal honesty.
Another reason to stay outta debt! Especially vehicle debt!
I think their best bet is to wait for him to go back to school/this program until both kids are at least in full-day kindergarten. Another 4 years or so. They’d still have to pay for childcare during the summers and school holidays/breaks but maybe the grandparents can help with some of that (a day here and there), and they’d at least have 4 years to save up money they’d need to spend to live on during the time their income is cut by 60%.
Girl, my nephew did that right after graduating high school. He got an awesome job but alignment was so difficult on the body, working brutal hours, sometimes 27 hrs shifts and then given only 6 hours off and go back to do another 12 hour shift! He asked for more hours off to get some sleep and the boy got fired. Yes, the boss is terrible but the first two years, you and your husband won’t see each other much because of those shifts and no time off for the holidays. My nephew hasn’t found another alignment job yet, the market is tough
I am a bit confused 🤔
So your new household income (if your husband commits to full time school) is $3300
Mortgage is $1000
Childcare is $2000
What were you expecting Dave to tell you🤔❓
At first she said the math was mathing and then it was mathing. This the real reason people are broke and living paycheck to paycheck. Goodness people THINK!!!
My wife and I pay $400 a week for a full-time nanny for my 2 year-old .. Next month is her last month with us. We've found a daycare that will cost us about $165 per week.. cannot wait.
A daycare with many clients can afford to be cheaper than a nanny working just for you. I don’t know how she supported herself off so little money. Did she live with you?
Also some people I know with nannies work odd hours or travel a lot for work.
@anndeecosita3586 Yes. Full time
If saving money on childcare is right for you, then please don't entertain getting nannies only to let them go. It's not nice.
@analyticalchick3064 you think I'm gonna live with a nanny forever? At some point, my child needs to be around other kids. That's good for his overall development.
@anndeecosita3586 Yes. Full time. She ain't got pay rent, electricity, water.. she only buys her food.
Lineman is one of the best paid trades out there
Plus, financial strain like that (e.g. foreclosures, debt defaults) tank even a strong marriage, which would _really_ screw this all up. I think waiting a year or so when they can *afford* to do this is a far wiser and more responsible plan. 100% agree with DR here.
It's refreshing to hear someone not just assume newly retired grandparents are to be free babysitters.
Rachel’s faces throughout this call 😂😂😂
Can grandma and grandpa watch the kids 2-3 days a week? Switching to part time daycare would save $1,000 a month.
Not the responsibility of grandma and grandpa FFS
People who choose to have kids need to work out care
@@ykook7000huh what's the point of family if you don't help each other
I like the old-school kick in the pants Dave gives some of the callers…. None of the other personalities can replace that!
wait 2 years - 1st year pay off debt with his income and 2nd save his income to help with the bills while he's taking the course
Someone in my hometown on the Ramsey show.
Same here. Westside.
@@HatedJared no way.. I’m in Jenison.
Eastmont
“ No, their 8 to 10 months is not their retirement!” LOL
All she heard was pay increase while offering up no personal options to increase her own pay or contribution
She was wanting permission to go into student loan debt for the end game salary. Permission denied.
She explicitly said they wouldn't be taking out loans
This is why as a man you need to have your career completely together before starting a family. What the male want to do is quite commendable cuz he's thinking about the future income he will make which will benefit the family in the long run. However the wife and kids don't want to sacrifice during the time in school. They are only thinking about the short-term and not the long-term. If the wife was smart she would just sacrifice for that year and a half because in the end they all will reap the benefits. But if they want to be comfortable now his income will never increase. Sometimes you need to take one step backwards to take two step forward but people don't see that
Why do these people call in for validation they know they aren’t going to get lol
Home daycares can be cheaper than professional facilities sometimes
Figuring out the reality of the new budget of $40K with a mortgage and childcare was giving me a headache and a stomach ache.
You can’t feed a family of 4 with $40k. What is she thinking? What are they thinking?
I think its the daycare 2000 a month thats the killer
In Los Angeles the Mexicans do 🤷🏾♂️
@@jackreacher1784by the government
@@jackreacher1784 the mexicans are making $100k/year in trade work with under the table payments and collecting welfare at the same time 😂
Rice & beans, beans & rice, sell the fancy pickup, the RV, the jet skis, and the snow machines and save up. It's awesome him to be a high-wire electrician, and they will have it made when he does, but they got to prep for it.
Take a loan. Get it done. Pay off the loan over a two year period and you’re solid. By the time he makes journeyman you’re golden. At master you’re set for life
Use the next year as a test - live off the wifes income (assuming they find a daycare alternative) and throw his whole income at the debt until its gone then save his income until school starts
Their best bet would be to save enough money to cover the difference while he is in school. Maybe even wait 2 years and the kids may be a little older and be in school and that would help a lot if one of them wasn’t going to day care.
If I was in that family's shoes, I would hold off on doing the study for another year or two. But during that time, they need to pay off their debts and strengthen their emergency fund & general savings.
My husband used work nuclear and income cut by 20,000 a yr doing clsss but he was still making 80,000 and had huge savings.
Putting life out of order sets people up to fail. I put off having kids for 8 years while I earned my degrees, graduated, got a job, and then paid off every cent of student loan debt. THEN I had kids with my wife and we have set them a SOLID foundation. And I gotta say, my little family matters so much more to me than my career. Work is just baby food as far as I’m concerned.
Having children before your stabilized in you career.
He has a career. This is about a "dream" for another career.
He needs to try to get in with a large utility company. They usually will pay you while you get the education. Then you will be required to stick with them for a few years after you get your certificate. Yes, he will make less once certified, but at least thefamily can eat. Then once his debt to the company is paid, he can go with a private firm for the big money. Uave to play the long game. There are no short cuts.
Great ep
Biggest takeaway here is that she takes home $3300.....Child care is $2000. If she stayed home with the kids they could go with just 1 car instead of 2. Assuming only a 50 mile round-trip commute including dropping off the kids at daycare at 50 cents per mile means the cost for the car alone is $500 per month. So she is truly working for just $800 per month and missing the chance to raise the kids. Not the best decision. If they go out to restaurants or get coffee for 3 or 4 bucks each day because of the lack of time, then that eats up the rest of the money..........................Also, if they were making over 100K per year, they should have tons of money saved up already and be out of debt, unless they were blowing money on other stuff.
Why isn't Dave saying the obvious: to do this, they will be putting everything on cards and borrowing from family. No confrontation about how they thought they'd manage it?
Dave loves grown up land. Such a Dave concept.
I love the shows that Rachel is on. The others, not so much.
Impossible!!!
Fantasy!!!
The cute lady looks like her amazing father.💖
🍏🍏You are lucky when your boss is your dad as well...ehehe!😝
Here is the solution...
1. Talk to grandma and grandpa. Discuss the plan with them. See if they can watch the grandkids. Offer to pay them monthly for it 25-50% of daycare. Unless they are complete asses they are going to help.
Guy needs to get a part time job to help cover expenses. Bring in at least $2k a month.
She should look for something she can do from home to bring in extra money.
Might be a little uncomfortable for a little while, but get it done.
You can do a hardship forbearance on the student loan debt. Lots of ways to make this work.
Nope leave grandparents alone FFS
They had the kids they look after their own children
You absolutely do not need to go to a lineman school to be a lineman. Most companies and unions will hire guys and do on the job training.
talk to your parents if I was the grand parent I would totally watch kids for a year so you can get that place in your life but they seemed to not even see what to do. other option is get a student loan lol.
This is a specialized skill. I don't think he wants to be able to learn with a clear head, not getting a text saying the card declined. I agree. Put it off til you can be comfortable while he's in school.
Lots of families live on $40,000 a year.
This reminds me of the experiment with 1st graders to see if they had patience. A big puffy marshmallow was placed in front of the child and he or she was told that if they waited while the adult was out of the room and they didn't eat it, then they would get 2 marshmallows when the adult came back. It was funny to watch the kiddos go through the torture of waiting and a few of them ate the marshmallow. Patience is often a real trial. If the couple gets their financial ducks in a row to be able to withstand a year-plus dip in income, then one year will be worth the wait. I suggest a vision board that they can see every day, where they can picture 1) all their debt (except the mortgage) being paid off, 2) the childcare is an alternative with a much lower price - like maybe there is a childcare option at her husband's school? 3) her husband graduates from his school and 4) he lands a job where they can fulfill baby steps with ease. I hope they do it!
Childcare being 2K a month is like earing $1300 of 3,300 in income for a full time job. 2/3 is too high.
Where was the suggestion the wife work additional overtime hours or get a better job for more income?
They do have two kids you know
She has two jobs. She works full time during the day and takes care of kids the rest of the time.
She has to be home with them daycare is too expensive unless they get a family member to help full time and she goes back to work full time husband needs to work instead of school until the kids are old enough to be in school full time
@@jesussaves89yes, and if/ when her husband goes back to school family is already going to be helping full time +. The dad is in school 9-5 including weekends so all of moms work time + commute grandparents would be watching them. You can’t really work an extra job in that case because grandparents are already watching the kids a bunch
@@gracepettersen5282 ya I mean whatever works for them I don’t know them but I think they deff need extra help it takes a village to raise kids for sure in this modern day world and economy! I hope they are able to figure it out and be ok! Blessings and love
They waited until a few weeks before school started to come to this realization?
Do these people even think anything through before doing it?
many of these game plans are by products of a night of mass alcohol consumption
Maybe they’ve been trying to figure out a way for her to be a stay-at-home wife/mother to their children, as 2/3 of her take home pay is going straight to childcare. He’s got to make more money for this to happen. They just didn’t sit down and write everything (income vs expenses) on paper, as see the stark reality of their situation of their situation a year ago. The failure to plan for this major change is going to result in a major disappointment for them.
The parents watching the kids doesn't have to be all or nothing. If they do half the childcare duty that would cut daycare cost in half. Plus dropping their income that low would totally change income tax situation and take home pay for her should increase. Find some stuff to sell and now we're talking about a chance at revisiting the numbers. At first it sounds impossible but the key is the daycare issue.
My buddy, traveling lineman, $160k+ a year. Good luck to him
Get debt free, and STAY debt free, that way you can actual do the things you want.
numbers dont lie.
She's looking for permission. That's the whole purpose for the call. I'm sure she can add and numbers don't lie.
Umm, i worked part time and call ins for 2 years of undergrad and full time with 4 kids for 2 years for grad school. It can be done.
The math ain’t mathing. You guys should have been planning for this day two years ago.
He’s leaving his $60k job to make an extra $20k IF he graduates. Their math aint mathing.
100k+
@@bb-1359they make just shy of 100k combined. Cutting their household income by 60% leaves them with roughly 40%.
How are you even thinking of doing this when you dont make enough to pay anything other than daycare and mortgage payment? Not even thinking about the debt payments, or food, or insurance, or transportation or anything at all.
starting a family before you're even able to pay for yourselves.
and the children are just collateral damage at this point when you have them in full time care to do this. disgusting, reckless, selfish.
I am line for the county
She said we can cut back our lifestyle to do this..
But she's in Baby step 2 35k in Debt. She should already be changing her lifestyle.
I don't understand. Who has the student debt her or him? Why did they go to school for something and waste the money on college and it doesn't pay well enough? I want know who's debt and what they both do for a living now.
Doesn't matter. They are married and it is their debt. Combined income, combined debt.
He works for the power company, and wants to get advanced training.
@@damondiehl5637 Did she say he already works there? Usually then they pay for it. It matters because I'm wondering if she took out loans only to make 40 a year or if he took out loans only to want to career change a few years later.
You have to ask one of your parents to babysit to save money towards other expenses….you know food