Elder Scrolls Lore: Ch.19 - Talos - Rise to Power
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It is the Second Era, year 854, and a newly crowned Tiber Septim sits on the Ruby Throne, in the Province of Cyrodiil, which he claimed through right of conquest. General Talos is no more, Tiber Septim left that name behind him the day his King was assassinated, and he ascended to the Imperial throne.
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I'm sorry, can we go back to the part where Tiber Septim had a pet dragon?
It wasn't a pet. It was more of a mercenary.
He Was Killedby Cyrus The Red Guard,which is a playable character in.....what was the name again?
***** Yup!That game!
Jacques Shaw and thousands of years later the last dragon born would find himself with his own pet dragon.
cyberwolfy37 He already got one,Odahviing
Fun fact: The person depicted in the statues of Talos in Skyrim is Ysmir Wulfharth. Tiber Septim used the armor we retrieve in Sancre Tor, in Oblivion.
Indoril Nerevar Moon-and-Star well in landfall (5th era) he wears a giant horbed helm with a beard so long he tucks it into his belt lol(if u take landfall seriously)
Its a honor to speak to you, Nerevar!
Can you imagine a Total War game based off of this time period? Choose your Province, form pacts with other Provinces, and ultimately conquer Tamriel with your Province sitting at the top.
Brian Jimenez A kind of europa universalis 4 thing? Althout is would be boring with an unnimpressive 8 provinces. Maybe we can develop and sail to new lands.
@@emiliamarsh7259 Could be done much better if the political history of each province is taking into account, say how High Rock wasn’t one united province so you could have your choice of kingdom and first have to unite your native High Rock before thinking of expanding into other provinces
I'd prefer Fire Emblem-style, but yes, for the general idea.
No need my friends.
Elder Kings 2 has released!
Seriously, the only downside to watching this video is that I now have an over powering urge to play Oblivion :)
hey Gopher, glad to see you take notice of this awesome youtube series :)
Gopher if you make a video series for Oblivion, I'll watch it... yeah, I may even install it again.
Perhaps a Skyblivion look.
same here infact I just went and played it
I'm sure Richard would love to watch this.
Jesus the Redguards were absolute beasts.
I know we kick ass so badly
+kwadwo baidoo You guys even fought off the thalmor!!!
kritonas dionysiou and we took Hammerfell from the Nedes, Nords, Bretons and Elves
+kwadwo baidoo and as a result the nords drove the snow elfs out of skyrim and made the whole race extinct
Damn, it took three nations, sneaky politics and a dragon to absorb Hammerfell into the empire, which they left soon after
i do love how this isnt all black and white and we can spend hours debating whether he was just or war hungry. makes the world of Nirn feel closer to our own in many respects
It's pretty black and white to me, but that's probably because I support Talos. Same with the real world. Talos good, everyone else baaaaad. Hitler bad, everyone else goooood. Pretty straightforward to me. XDDDD
Erwin Dedić Well, it's all about perspective. To a Nazi, Hitler was a chill dude. To an altmer, Talos was the biggest dick in a barrel of horse dildos. I don't mean to say that the altmer are Nazis, I personally love the altmer. However, it... Well, it fit the analogy and junk.
Personally, I think that Talos wasn't a good guy. A brilliant man, yes. A good warrior? Definitely. A god? Now that's where I draw the line.
I'm not going to argue his divinity; I have no opinion on that one, because I know nothing about it. But, imagine this: What if you were a Jew and Hitler was regarded as a god, and everyone around you worshiped him?
Doc Ethereal The thing is that Talos did become a god, entirely. In Morrowind, when going to fight Dagoth Ur, if you stop by the Ghost Gate, inside you see an Imperial, who gives you a coin.Only you can see him, and if you bring the coin to a certain temple, i don't remember, a priest says that it was Talos. Wich is a proof of his divinity.
Doc Ethereal That's what I was saying. It's all about opinions. And my opinion is black and white. :)
Matheus Cossuol
To be fair, that was never confirmed. The priest only says that it was most likely Talos. It is her belief, but whether she is correct I cannot say. No one can actually 100% confirm that. So it's not really proof. I myself have no opinion on whether that was Talos or not, but I do believe that Talos is a god. :)
Numidium is to Elder Scrolls what Liberty Prime is to Fallout.
Numidium is to Elder Scrolls what the *Great War* is to Fallout.
Numidium is fckin stronk, man. Y'know, breaking Akatosh as stuff.
+Aaron Kalat Numidium is literally the Tamrielic version of EVA Unit-01
Tom johanes
Golem-Ex Machina
Death is a preferable alternative to high elves
Everyone should read "The Arcturian Heresy". It gives a VERY different twist on Talos' history, and in my opinion it's probably more correct. TES lore is however purposefully written to be up to interpretation until the games canonize something, just like real history is written by unobjective sources, which we have to take for granted until we have archeological evidence either way.
In case any of you were wondering... the Red Dragon that Tiber Septim commanded was named Naafililargus. He was slain by Cyrus in The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard.
I remember that. I kind of feel bad for him.
Justin Beal slain slain or slain like the dragons in skyrim?
Loving this series :)
Just found it today, it is very well done.
TES really has a wonderfully rich lore and it is great to see how the lore actually seeps through the games and how one as a player can relate to events described in the lore. Excellent writing by the ***** teams.
Thanks.
I just found a relic of a tes youtubers past
Talos did do right
He only attacked 4 provinces, and nibbled at the borders of a 5th. He did not spill as much blood as people say.
Had he not took tamriel, more blood would be spilled via the kingdoms at each other's throats, or someone else would have conquered tamriel anyway.
And the dovahkin, Talos or no, was destined to conquer tamriel.
+Strasznik ???
Lorewise, only Sommerset Isles and Valenwood that get ransacked. Other Provinces surrender or using diplomacy
if an elder scrolls movie is ever made it should be of Talos!😁
+GamerAlpha97 There's a fanmade one called dragonborn act 1 and he recently released act 2
+ddw34 cool thnx I'll check it out but I meant like if there was a movie to hit the theaters.Talos is probably the most important elder scrolls character to make a movie of.maybe splitting his story into a trilogy then spin offs of other stories or just that one single movie(with maximum effort in the words of deadpool)that'd be remembered and cherished for ever...with spin offs :) there must always be spin offs!I know we all want a black marsh movie.especially one of the lusty argonian made :3
lol it would be badass to have a movie based off Talos. However, the lusty argonian would just be a porno on pornhub, hell according to rule 34 it probably already exists.
+ddw34 ik but still...its a movie teehee
I doubt it, in order to make a successful movie that takes place in a fictional fantasy world it must have a plot that not only satisfies the people that are allready fans of the said universe but also be easy to understand for the people who never even heard of it before, otherwise it will just end up like the Warcraft movie. I'm afraid that the story of Talos requires you to allready know lots of stuff about the elder scrolls universe in order to make sense of it.
i have truly fallen in love with this series, who ever you guys have as an artist, he was a brilliant find.
In the video at 12:02, the author says that the way inwhich the Numidium was powered was lost to history. No it actually wasn't.
If anyone played Daggerfall, you will find out that it was the Underking (Zurin Arctus) sends a message to the player:
"Centuries ago, Tiber Septim ruled the land and forged an empire with great Numidium. The secret of Numidiums's power lies in its heart, carried within the Mantella. It is the heart of Tiber Septim's battlemage. It is my heart. It is my Mantella. It is my Totem. It belongs to me, and to none other. I have won and lost an empire.
I have no desire to tamper further with mortal affairs. I have in my possession Necromancer's Amulet, one of the world's greatest artifacts. You may have it in exchange for the Totem.
My most loyal agent will await your arrival in Graywold of Wayrest, in an Order of the Hour."
Underking.
Anything that occurs in the game is considered to be factual therefore this clearly shows that it was Zurin Arctus who sacrificed his soul to power the numidium. Zurin became a lich and his soul remained in the mantella.
This explains how he lived so long without his heart.
Zurin Arctus along with Wulfhaarth are known as the Shezarine. (Avatars of the hero diety of mankind known as Lorkhan) Talos was also a Shezarine.
The mantella mimicked the power of the heart of lorkhan when it was powered by a soul of a shezarrine.
Talos was such as great shezarine that he became a divine himself.
However, the question is this.
What will you do? Will you give the mantella to the underking or will you slay him and keep the mantella for yourself?
They powered it with the BFG...
The Big Fucking Gem.
Isnt liberty prime a fallout version of the numidiom? They are both enormous robots that need a large power source and is a certain factions biggest weapon? Is it only me? Oh okay then.
+Josh James kek! Fucking elves!
Josh James its more than just that the numidium(or walkbrass) was one giant fuck you to existance by the dweamer,as such whenever its activated it renders all gods(even akatosh) non existant,thus breakinh time (warp in the west/landfall)
No Numidium is MUCH more powerful than Liberty Prime. In fact, it's literally powerful enough to kill an Aedra or Daedric Prince. That is what the Dwemer initially designed Numidium to do. Destroy all of Creation.
Talos, the biggest bad ass to ever grace Tamriel.
He is cool, but no one is so cool like the great Nerevarine ;)
You know Talos is bad ass when he still managed to take over the rest of Tamriel’s regions without the use of his powers. He definitely earned his legacy.
I'd like to see something after this going into the metaphysics. I have a feeling we'll get no mention of Talos achieving CHIM, no Towers and no crazy Kirkbride stuff about godheads and the 9th Era. There's so much insane stuff you could talk about, it's what sets Elder Scrolls apart from so much else instead of this cool, but typical high fantasy stuff.
Although I know this a history that is made up, the way this guys make it sound and see, it makes me feel the same way as I am reading the books in the game, as if Im taking part in something that is bigger and immensely older than me.
Did anyone notice the deadric artifacts at 12:05 and I think miraaks sword is there too.
I thought he was going to say "They play their game of thrones" instead of politics lol.
Great episode i love how they stick to the facts
Nothing is truly a FACT regarding Tiber Septim.
***** Talos you mean???
Caleb Bryan So far this has not talked about Talos, yet, just one of the three persons that make up Talos, and that is Tiber Septim, the emperor.
tiber did not slaughter the bosmer with the numidium. he made a peace treaty. only the altmer were slaughtered. a slight inaccuracy there
***** Talos Stormcrown and Tiber Septim is one and the same, this we know... The god Talos is as you say multiple people but not necessarily exactly three. The most prominent theory is that Talos the god is actually Lorkhan of which (amongst others like Plinal Whitstrake, The Underking , the champion of cyrodil and the dragonborn of skyrim) Tiber Septim is belived to have been an avatar of... but most of that is simply speculation
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ShoddyCast I found a teeny weensy flaw in this episode.I admit the Talos's arsenal of weapons was great,but i dont believe he'd have Miraak's sword at 12:06
Justin Scott Omg just realized there is also the Blade of Woe
The Hacker Tracker it could just be the same model of sword since during that time they were not going to make just one sword of that type
+ShoddyCast
If you don't mind I would make subtitles to your videos with my language.
is the red dragon you talked about in this video odahaviing
When they mentionned the red dragon that became Talos' helper, it occured to me that Odahviing's scales are actually red... Kudos to Bethesda for lore continuity there.
Odahviing isn't the red Dragon that helped Talos. You're thinking of Nafaalilargus
mojonation1487 Correct, but by that I meant there is a continuity with red dragons helping dragonborns.
The dragon in the video is from a mod that replaces odahvings model.
The Empire had to submit to the Nazi's, whoops, I mean Aldmiri Dominion, in order to continue their reign in Tamriel. If they refused to sign the White Gold Concordat, the Aldmiri would have conquered the whole of the known world and would have plunged Nirn into a chaos rivaled only by the Plane of Sheograth
Some things are worth fighting for
Did it worth losing Hammerfell and half of Skyrim due to the effects of the White-Gold Concordat? Even tough Titus Mede II could not forsee the consequences of this act, he still should have fought the Thalmor until at least a status quo could happen.
bollocks, hammerfell refused the WGC and the dominion failed to conquer them so it would surely have been a decisive win had he gone for it.
im more curious about titus mede becoming emperor... 'cos i read that he was made emperor for declaring war on the empire by successfully conquering the imperial city? the dominion did that and they were not just given the empire.
AK48smoker I think that was one of Titus Mede II's ancestors - Titus Mede I. He conquered the imperial city soon after the oblivion crisis when the empire was missing an emperor - I believe he did it with around 1000 men.
David Hoey titus mede was titus mede II's dad, the point being he was given the empire 'cos he committed an act of war, conquering 1 major city.
Lol, Talos definitely did not conquer the Marsh, he simply left with what he could take and correctly decided not to push his luck haha. God I love the Argonians.
***** Debatable, if you take into consideration that during the 2nd era oblivion crisis with Molag Bal, the Argonians pretty much whooped his Daedra ass. I mean, the Argonians invaded the Oblivion Planes, not the other way around. That's just too badass. xD
Yeah, that could have been Talos' "Russian winter" (a la Stalingrad and Naploleon's winter retreat)
I'm with Elsweyr but I still got respect for Argonians. Takes a strong people to survive in Blackmarsh.
this is becoming better and better... those last lines in each part makes me always shiver - they have strengh inside and makes me very edgy, while waiting for next part.
Amazing Job
The Redguards of Hammerfell are badass! Bascially just told Tiber Septim to suck it!
I adore this series and have taken to falling asleep to it every night
Awesome as always.
I know more about Tamriels history than the United States' history. Fuck why can't school be this interesting.
I've been thinking the same thing, I've got a D- in civics for not paying attention but haven't missed an episode of Shoddy's Fallout or Elderscrolls lore vids.
why do all the jarls slouch on their thrones?
I have thought that too, lazy bastards...
Lol
I think sitting on your ass all day while someone else can do the dirty work for you makes people slouch. Same goes to the very young generation these days.
Ryan La Legend you hurt my sides
Elisif doesn't.
I'm sure that I'm not the only one thinking this, but the art used in these videos is awesome!! It really helps bring the story that ShoddyCast is telling home.
A story that is obviously based on the lore of one of the most amazing game series' of all time :D
Talos never conquered Argonia, he only took small part of coasts and part where Argonia starts. Argonians were to much for great Talos and after many failed battels to take over Argonia he gave up and left Argonia alone. No one even conquered Argonia not even Daedras, Argonions raped Daedras alone without any help of other races and Daedra generals had to close the gates to avoid 100% rape from them.
Solf J. Kimblee KIMBLEE!! i thought you got eaten by pride...
otar the mad My badassery will never die
Solf J. Kimblee no, no it won't.
Solf J. Kimblee lol
Solf J. Kimblee well to be fair, a nude argonian is still a character is a full set of heavy armor :I so lets say an argonian has a full daedric set, that is heavy armor over heavy armor........argonians are too op.
I love these videos. Watching the seasonal playlist, it feels like watching documentaries on the History channel for a fantastical AU. :D
So this is actually much more literal than just people "declaring him god".
Because Talos was infanct Hjalti Early-Beard, Ysmir Wulfharth and Zurin Arctus, all of them are Shezarrines, mortal incarnations of Lorkhan, or Shor as he's known in Nord culture. Hjalti made Zurin Arctus use his heart to create the Mantella, because he's a Shezarrine and he's esentially Lorkhan, the Mantella could empower the Numidium, which is supposed to operate with the power of the Heart of Lorkhan from the Red Mountain. The problem is, we dont know if Zurin Arctus gave his heart willingly, Mannimarco claims that Arctus was betrayed by Hjalti and his soul remained in his body becoming the Underking, although this being could also be Ysmir Wulfharth, because he was also betrayed by Hjalti.
Only after the death of the Underking is when Talos was born, with all three souls now combined they obtain such a great power that its capable of mantling Lorkhan's throne in the Pantheon.
This and the first series didn't do much to me, but just gives me chills in every episode I watch.
Is it bad that every time I watch one of these videos I act like a little kid bouncing on my bed and thinking "yah story time".
Talos is Hjalti Early Beard, Wulfharth and Zurin Arctus. All three are Shezzarines. Talos most likely became a god when the Warp in the West occurred and that's when the enantiomorph became efficient. Arctus ripped out the soul of Wulfharth by Hjaltis orders. Like Trinimac ripped out the heart of Lorkhan by Auriels orders. Or how Mora pierced Miraak on behalf of the Dragonborn. It's a mythic echo and Talos took Lorkhan's place in the mythic upon death. All of Mundus now runs on the TalOS.
This man knows what he is talking about, though I think you meant Dragonbreak instead of Warp in the West since Warp in the West is specific Dragonbreak at the end of Daggerfall.
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE, LONG LIVE THE DRAGONFIRE!
***** If you serve Ulfric you serve the Dominion aiding them to destroy the Empire and any trace of Talos.
***** as well as an Imperial Victory
HAIL TALOS, THE DRAGONBORN WHO LIT THE DRAGONFIRE AND BECAME A GOD, WHO'S BLOOD HELPED THE CHAMPION OF CYRODIL TAKE BACK THE AMULET OF KINGS! Ulfric, the Imperials, and the Thalmor can suck it.
ALL HAIL THE DRAGONBORN.....BITCHES!
This is by far one of the best series on You Tube. Even though I knew most of this stuff already the quality of the video and its narration is flawless and I still love to watch it anyway. Great Job!
Wait hold on, so your saying Talos wanted all the races to be friends? Then the Stormcloacks trying to get him unbanned but also being racist makes no sense
Think about it like this! Christianity and Islam (Muslims) have their own respective "God" right? And don't they say in each of their holy books to respect, love, and care for each other? Even those that are not the same as them? Other humans and living beings? The answer would be yes, right?
But, if that is yes, then why are people bombing and murdering each other in the name of God? How come so many years ago, famous war leaders like Napoleon stated that God was on their side and waged war to conquer other's countries and their people?
That really can't be answered, it's just the way humans are, and it's the way we will always be, forever. It will never change, it didn't change 3000 years ago and it won't change now or any time soon. And in this retrospect, Skyrim's story about Stormcloaks and Imperials Civil War, can be treated as an analogy (metaphor) to the WARS that are happening as I type this message; The wars that are happening right now.
*TL;DR* If that's confusing, I'll use a very easy *example*. Just think about how come ISIS is bombing innocent people in the name of their god, the god who said to love and care for one another, even those who don't share their beliefs...
I bet I just blew your mind now. And who says video games can't teach you about real life...
***** you just explained everything thank you for blowing my mind
***** *And don't they say in each of their holy books to respect, love, and care for each other? Even those that are not the same as them? Other humans and living beings? The answer would be yes, right? *
The answer would be no... so you didn't really blow my mind, just made it sad :/
***** Christians and Muslims and Jews all worship same god
***** No lollygagging!
Thanks for your subtle hint towards Beyond Skyrim. Much appreciated.
--Mizreg
ysmir, Tiber septim, and zurin ultimately make up the deity of talos because talos was not just one man but three, all doing great things, all being aspects of lorkhan. they're legends were combined in part due to the warp in the east, or the Dragon break
warp in the west
You should do an episode on Wulfharth, the Underking and the alternate history of Tiber Septim as told in the Arcturian Heresy
Long live the Empire!
Wow, the visuals in this one are.... well, I'm simply speechless. A lot of work, and a job well done, sirs.
Great story as always, my daughter and I are looking forward to the next installment
^_^
Wow, I just found this channel through youtube recommendations, and I loved this series.
The artworks and use of skyrim mods to represent the facts being told are fantastic.
Great job.
Hail Talos.
NO!!! HAIL MORROWIND
Nope! Hail Sithis!
Not sure if your team still checks comments on these vids but I just have to say WELL Done. I had a burning question about the seriously weird messed up timeline of ESO which lead me to your series. God I love these so much
WOW, great grpahics and great narration, just...WOW!
According to the Blade's book: The Atlas of Dragons, there is a reference to a dragon called "Nahfahlaar" (meaning Fury For Clear, or Clear Fury). It's possible that Nahfahlaar is the same dragon as Nafaalilargus. This is compounded by the fact that Nahfahlaar in the book is said to have been constantly allying himself with kings and kingdoms for a certain amount of time, making it difficult for the Blades to kill him. His fate is left out of the book, which further fuels the suspicion that Nahfahlaar is the same dragon as Nafaalilargus; and that Nafaalilargus is just a cyrodiilic version of Nahfahlaar.
I didn't knew Talos had a Dragon. Didn't the Dragons vanished long before Talos? Where he got his dragon?
just to let you know it's i didn't know not "knew"
nawfal gharnati Are you sure? English isn't my language, but if I'm talking in the past (or at least I was trying to =P), I think it make sense to use the word in the past. At least it's how it works in Portuguese.. Am I wrong? I mean, I didn't knew, now I know, is it wrong?
if you want to talk in the past then it's I Didn't Know And In The The Present It's I Don't Kow
nawfal gharnati oh, it make sense. Thanks for the tip. I learned English by myself, so there's a lot of rules I got wrong =P
i m 12 and i learned it by myself no offense meant
The wisest human. Elkators likes witty generals. You couldn't take Blackmarsh, but you beat us. A worthy foe. A foe that worth becoming an ally.
Wait a minute.. so they needed a powerful soul to power the brass god, and after the activation there is no mention of Talos's dragon. The need of a powerful soul combined with his innate ability to harvest the souls of dragons only makes me come to one very grim conclusion.
Talos sacrificed his dragon companion in order to make his dream of unity a reality, perhaps even the dragon offered his soul for what he saw as a Noble cause.
the dragon was killed in the redguard rebellion and the player kills him
Fair enough, I didn't realize we played through the red gaurd rebellion though, which game was that again?
Mackenzie Bodor Tes adventures redguard in the game the character was voice acted and you couldn't choose his race or features but it had the best story in my opinion of any tes game
It sounds pretty awesome, I'm gonna check that out thanks man!
Mackenzie Bodor Do it, though the game hasn't aged that well, It's still damn good.
Ya! So good :) I am a huge elder scrolls lore buff , and watching Thea's videos I alway lurn something more!
So pretty much Hammerfell is Dorne from Game of Thrones.
Yeah and the battle of meereen is basically the battle of stros mkai
and also Aegon had truble conquering Dorne just as Tiber had problems conuering Hammerfell.
Eh, sort of.
J Gilbert yea except the dornish men repelled dragon attacks but the redguards couldnt
Nah Dorne is pretty much Hammerfell From The Elder Scrolls Series
Great job on this show, I am looking forward to the next episode.
I don't think Talos has earned his place among Aedra. They were immortal beings that sacrificed their very bodies to create Nirn. Talos just conquered a continent with military force.
Or, if you had actually watched the video, he didn't. Oh sure, he did fight, but in the end, it was not military that made Tamriel bend it's knee. Imperials? Already accepted him as the king. Nords? Pledged themselves willingly. Bretons? Didn't really put a resistance and quickly assimilated. Redguard? Signed a treaty after several failed attempts by Talos. Argonians? Only "lost" outer marshes, still lived free in inner marshes. Which are untouched by Imperial Legions. Dunmer? Again, a treaty. Khajit? Once again, treaties. In short, only ones who got conquered purely by force were Altmer, Bosmer and Brettons.
Talos brought peace and stability to entire realm of Tamriel, to point where each race was held equal in the eyes of law. I say that's pretty good job.
Orcs and Argonians could serve in Legion and hold office. In fact, Orcs were very welcome in the Legion, there is entire outpost made out of Orcs in Morrowind.
You are confusing "the law" and "the people". People are racist. Laws weren't.
Timber Septim is to assumed to have mantled the dead-god Lorkhan and take Lorkhan's place amongst the Divines. Talos was an avatar of Lorkhan. Kinda like the spirit of Lorkhan getting to the place it wants to be.
*****
It is not uniting Tamriel that makes Tiber Septim godlike. It is the mythical reenactment of Creation that he orchestrated that makes him godlike.
*****
Or the Fact the he shows up in the end of Morrowind and gives you a coin to defeat Dagoth Ur.
Or the fact that the only way to defeat Umaril the Unfeathered in Oblivion is with Talos' blessing
We hope everyone can let the light of Talos into their hearts. All hail the Fox King, harbinger of change, enforcer of unity, wise dream-making ruler of both Atmora and Tamriel. Tiber was the real deal. Like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Constantine, Charlemagne, William the Conqueror. Tiber Septim shook things up and knit together the pieces as they fell, creating an empire of unity.
Probably one of the coolest characters in TES lore. The guy could blow castle doors open with his voice. What's the most impressive is his conquests where he DIDN'T have to fight. He subdued the Nords, Bosmer and Argonians basically without a fight. He elevated the Orcs from obscurity, gaining their trust and loyalty. Then he gained 'The Brass God' through diplomacy, from the Dunmer, which conquered on his behalf. Fucking legendary.
Imagine if Dagoth Ur actually got Numidium up and running again? He could have easily conquered Morrowind, maybe more. I'm glad I stopped him, but I wish I could have completed Akulakhan and then would ride him into battle.
Talos guide you !
May the series live on forever!!!
Correction, ShoddyCast. This is another example of you showing favoritism for the Altmer and the Aldmeri Dominion. The navy of the Aldmeri Dominion was not immensely superior to the Imperial Navy, it was just slightly, the only reason why he cared about their navy is because he had to cross the sea in order to get to the Summerset Isles. I never understood why he had an inferior navy, because he had the Redguards and Nords fighting for him, races that are known seafarers, and the Redguard Navy is legendary as mentioned in the video. So I don't get that. Another thing you forgot to mention, is that Tiber Septim also used his military as well as the Numidium, the Numidium was more of a confirmation that he will win. The Altmer also did not have "advanced weaponry", lore never stated that. We know you love your Altmer, but please show less favoritism in your videos like you did in this one and the Altmer video, and be more professional than that.
Most lore supports the Altmer having superior weaponry and navy, This is why he had so much trouble conquering them when they didn't have the huge armies and beast-gods of the Legion. Your hate of the mer is showing, remember this is just a game so you don't have to hate the elves, its fun to play along with the fantasy.
Jrock420blam I don't hate the mer, I like all of the races equally. They did have a superior navy but not a "far superior navy". No lore supports their advanced weaponry either.
I beg to differ.
Description of an Altmer ship:
"Made of crystal and solidified sunlight, with wings though they do not fly, and prows that elongate into swirling Sun-Birds, and gem-encrusted mini-trebuchets fit for sailing which fire pure aetheric fire, and banners, banners, banners, listing their ancestors all the way back to the Dawn. This is Old Mary at Water."
Description of the Altmeri Navy:
"As terrible as it was, it did force the Altmer to build a great navy to defend itself, and to this day, it is on the seas that the High Elves **excel** in combat."
Emphasis on excel - to show superiority, surpass others. Without the Numidium, Tiber would have never managed to invade the Summerset Isles, having been at war with the Dominion since at least 2E 863 (and there's no indication that the Dominion even existed in 2E 896, since the 50 year Bosmeri treaty with the Altmer expired in 2E 880). Also, do mind that the Redguard navy was completely crushed at Hunding Bay. That's why Tiber was always interested in Dwemer artifacts, something that's seen in TESA: Redguard.
As for ShoddyCast's professionalism... Try to compare his video on the Knahaten Flu with the article on UESP.
kertaw48 I am not saying the Altmer don't have a strong navy. The Redguards just are the best at naval warfare on Tamriel, Tiber Septim used the Forebears and his Red Dragon to conquer Hammerfell.
Also, can you link me to the website you got that quote of the description of the Altmeri ship from? I'd really like to show it to my lore group.
Richard Jordan Imperial Library - Michael Kirkbride's Posts. It's not official canon, but it is what Bethesda is working with, sort of like inside information.
Also, I wrote the article on Tiber Wars on UESP (the one this video heavily took content from), and I found no indication that the Forebears helped the Imperials in any significant way, since they were pretty much on their dying breath by the time the Forebear Truce was made. The Forebears didn't help Tiber conquer Hammerfell; Tiber tricked them and once they allowed him to bring his troops in, he refused to leave. And even that was a fact the whole of Hammerfell held against the Forebears - they were widely seen as traitors (in TESA: Redguard, you even see them drinking themselves into stupor because of it).
The same goes for Redguards' superiority to Altmer at naval warfare. I'd have to see a source that directly confirms that to believe it. I could even imagine them being superior sailors. But without the "technology" of Altmer...
I knew he used the Numideum, I was waiting for the exact moment you mentioned it. I love the subject of a Giant Bad-Ass Dwarven Centurion.
United Tamriel should have invaded Akavir... Oh well, one day.. one day...
One of the Septim emperors actually tried to but failed horribly.
Yeah, the Disaster at Ionith? Yikes..
the empire did invade Akavir long ago but the invasion was failed do to number of reasons. Akavir controlling weather causing difficulty for legionairs and political and economic issues back in cyrodil.
Revarus Maldar It was never revealed how or who controlled the weather was it?
SFforlife It is still unkown even to this day. But it has been done before. In morrowind underneath mournhold the dwemer built a device that could control weather.
I'm always so excited to see another episode of this series uploaded. Keep up the awesome work my friend
Bethesda needs to release a TES game where we get to play as Talos as he conquers Tamriel. I think that's really the only thing that can top Skyrim. xD.
I prefer to create characters but that would be amazing
+Oh Vaylo Yeah, I guess that would be the traditional TES way. Talos frees us from a prison because he had a dream that you would fight along side him or something.... Yeah, I can see that working out.
+Pet Mez Of course we would start in a prison.
elder scrolls tradition bud.
why not play alongside him/against him? I think that woukd be more interesting
I need an entire series of this
11 Dislikes were from The People Talos Beat the living shit out of
I'm happy to see that you included the inevitable Machiavellian speculation "Do the ends justify the means?" Sure I disagree with what the Thalmor are doing, but I totally see where they are coming from. It's hard for me to decide who's side I'm on in Tamriel really, throughout all of the history... which is great, because there's no clear "good guy" or "bad guy," like in real life
So Talos forced his believes on every race by brutally killing them. Then since he was the victor, he rewrote history to make himself seem like the good guy..... gotcha.
juiceyginger1 Pretty much, and It's one of the reasons to why the Thalmor want to destroy Talos.
Seeing how long Altmer tend to live, It's very possible that some Mer who were alive during Numidium's assault are still kicking arround, in their shoes who wouldn't want revenge?
juiceyginger1 no empire is pure
No genocide and assimilation was in many cases switched with integration. Id say he did a good job. Night of tears....
You pretty much just summed up Alexander the greats life
Well done! Please keep this up after ESO is in full swing. Best Elder Scroll fan made series to date. Looking forward to the next installment.
The hammer fell lads are mental, wish TES 6 is set there
thankfully it will be now
Really awesone episode! Can't wait for the next one!
Huge respect for Argonia and Hammerfell they resisted talos and had to make an agreement to be partners. He didn't own them and even the greatest leader with a dragon huge dwemer bot and several armies decided to stay away.
miller repin Actually he didn't use the Numidium on Argonia or Hammerfell because it didn't work. If it did, both provinces would have fallen in a day.
Lightscribe225 He still had a huge army a dragon and was a great tactician.
miller repin Not really, his tactics involved 'shout em down' or going the 'impossible route' because 'fuck you, dragonborn'. By the time he became a warlord his tactics were balanced out by numerous generals and advisers that told him when fighting wasn't worth it.
Lightscribe225 That means several different generals a dragonborn a dragon several armies can't keep control of the argonians in their homeland and had to partner up with the redguards because they are bosses who can't be controlled for long
miller repin
No, they avoided Argonia because it was a disease filled hell hole that destroyed their supplies and wasn't worth the effort to subjugate the Argonians.
Hammerfell entered a partnership only after the Imperials beat them, and then it was beating an errant general who got waaaay too cushy.
The fact that the numidium created a dragon break whenever used was not mentioned, that's what made it the most powerful weapon ever.
"Imperial Empire". What? As in, Republican Republic? Or unnecessary redundancy?
He is referring to the Empire controlled by the Imperials.
Every Empire except the first Nordic one was controlled by the Imperials. And since he's talking about Tiber Septim, it's even more obvious that it's the "Imperial" Empire he's talking about.
***** Even Colovians would not be correct. Nibenean Cyrodiils would be offended.
Conrad Cash
Definition of Imperial; that which relates to an empire, emperor, or the concept of imperialism.
To refer to the Colovian empire, or any empire in the real world as an Imperial Empire is redundant, unnecessary, and all together poor use of grammar.
It's like saying "Motorized Motor" or "electric electricity".
I think you should make one on The Companions. How they started and how they became werewolves. Possibly even do one on Vampires and werewolves.
I hope when the next Elder Scrolls comes around we get to kick those evil high elves back to there island
this lore season IS AWESOME
0:50 to skip the intro.
What a great video, really shows why Tamriel and the elder scrolls is exemplary of lor and backstory.
Talos is Nord right so he should be in sevengard but I haven't see his name.
Sorry if have some wrong spelling ;)
ok but he dragonborn so he should be in sevengard but I forget he's a divine
Sorry if I have wrong spelling ;)
ok then
***** I personally believe he was a Nord born in High Rock until a certain age where is family moved to Skyrim.
Talos amended to be a god. That's why he is not among men in sovernguard
Hes not in sovengarde because he became one of the nine divines.
really interesting, Talos is truly a man who demands respect. would take him years to fill out his personal CV haha
I want him to talk about how he had an affair with barenziah
I like how at 12:03 you can see miraak's sword on the weapon rack.
No talk about the Dragon Break? The numidium sieging a city for only an hour but also 2 eras?
Yeah the Siege of Mournhold. Although I don't remember the Numidium already fighting for the Empire. That battle was epic legionnaires and Telvanni royal army fought on the walls of Morrowind's capital for days and Tiber fought himself on the bastion
Awesome work, I like the art style so much better than the previous style as well.
Great episode.
But it would be much better if instead of skipping questionable parts like creation of Mantella you would explain different theories. Where is Wulf? Where are relations to Shezzarine? What about his conflicts with Zurin and other people that were close to him in his conquest? Where is description of epic battle that happened with help of Numidium and distortions in time it caused?
Again, I am just saying that if you would list theories instead of skipping them all together and saying "we don't know for sure" it would be much more informative.
I'd really like a list of theories for a lot of the stuff they cover too, but that's just my opinion.
Well yeah. I mean Elder Scrolls much like real world history is not concrete at all, there are so many conflicting points of view and records in history, plus Elder Scrolls being a magical world has reality and time shifts. In my opinion it would be much better if they would go with multiple theory route in each episode, describing different records, opinions and theories that exist about events. What they do instead is go with the safest route and when they reach the part that has a lot of conflicting points about it they just skip it...but they probably do that because episodes would greatly increase in length if they would go into all details of TES lore, and there are lots of details. Alternative would be for them to link Wikia page links and ingame book names, basically sources of information at the end of each episode so that people can read into it more deeply if they wish to do so.
Still amazing series, you guys are doing great work.
Lorkhatosh
This is one of the many aspects, why i love TES
The story is not predetermined, so it's not clear what really happened and you can imagine your own story, what might happen and what the people had done
This can change your full view about characters, factions, stories or even gods
I totally agree with you, but i think in some cases it would be better, if they don't mention the theories, because the Hardcore-TES-Loreexperts would spam each other in the comments to death^^
Excellent job as always, ShoddyCast!!
This was the single greatest empire Tamriel has ever known. Those who support the empire of the 4th era are traitors to the original empire. Under the iron fist of the elves men first lived in Tamriel, and the races of men must rule over the land. Those who desire freedom of persecution from the elves in the empire should have it, like the Stormcloaks. My point is is that this was the way it should be, not under a petty emperor who lets his people suffer, like in the late 4th era.
*****
Check your lore. The High Elf version of the divines say to kill man. Their religion and belief is that they are in prison on Nirn until they can undo everything....
***** Wrong. Check the lore of TES IV, especially pay atention to various Ayleid ruins, and to the back story of the Knights of the Nine DLC.
Cyrodiil, for example, was ruled by Ayleids (Hearth-land High Elves) during the Meretic era.
Men were used and enslaved by Ayleids for thousands of years, before St Alesia led the rebellion that ended the Ayleid domination in Cyrodiil and saw the rise of Alessian empire, the first Man empire in Cyrodiil.
It was also during the St Alessia's rebelion that Pelineal(original Divine Crusader) killed Umaril, the Ayleid sorcerer-king.
Ysgramor and 500 companions led the war against Snow Elves in Skyrim even before St. Alessia's rebelion started in Cyrodiil.
The roots of Men vs Mer hatred go way before Talos.
I love these vids! I can just imagine myself in a tavern somewhere nibbling on a sweetroll listening to these stories. I personally like how you take subtle stance in the way you tell the history. It makes it more "real" to me. After all all history is bias. The fact you guys explore that is awesome.
I LOVE TALOS!
Just a quick note, if you go deeper into the lore, it can be said that "Tiber Septim" is really two people. Zurin Arctus & Hjalti decided to both appear as Septim, to make the "Two-Headed King" seem omnipresent. I like shoddycast, but it seems like they only just use the wiki.
Admiral Richton looks alot skinnier...
This is already epic but Two Steps from Hell music in the background makes it *so* much better.
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!
You just wait Anakin.. you will become one of us too..
this is how deep the elder scrolls lore is
Wrong. This is just the surface.