I smiled when I saw this come up on my feed. Thanks for creating this content, DC Rainmaker. I had this very comparison in mind the moment the Epix Gen 2 was released.
I have the Venu 2 and Fenix 6X Pro. I find myself really loving my V2 more. The big advantage to the Fenix series is maps, especially for back country adventures. For day to day use, average folks working out, the Venu is fantastic.
@Peter PB most Fenix models come with maps installed right on the watch. The Venu series lacks this. Fenix holds the edge on outdoor navigation for sure.
@@ThomasHoffDE I do still use the Fenix. I wore it a few days ago. I think it's nice to have it as an option. If ever I get back out to the woods, I'd wear the Fenix
I think someone just starting out would feel so overwhelmed with the Epic watch, Venu 2 Plus is a great watch would recommend that one as a beginning watch and maybe later when you get comfortable with the Venu 2 epix would be next to get👍
Great review and tipped me initially towards the Venu 2. I've just bought one to replace a 645 Forerunner where the case broke. Screen and interface are light years ahead of the 645, but they have stripped out a few of the running stats from that watch (eg vertical oscillation, even though my chest strap supports it) and very annoyingly Strava Live Segments. To my mind, Garmin never really replaced the 645 - you either dumb down a bit with the 245 which also lacks some smart features (such as Pay) or go full triathlon. Here's hoping that there is an Amoled Forerunner soon. In the meantime, pondering whether to go for that Epix after all...
@@janmasek699 If that’s the case then it’s causing the same situation to the venu2+. I think if you’re paying top dollar for the Epix, it should have that feature with the option to disable it if it’s draining the battery that much when needed.
@@BigWill007 Yup. I mean it as a joke. In fact top end watches like Tactix, Fénix and Epix should even have LTE possibility. It is absolutely up to the user how to deal with all the functions ;)
This is a relevant comparison video for me and my use case, as I'm not really a typical sports guy (more of the target group for Vivoactive/Venu), but I'm really tired of trying (and failing) to use a touchscreen outdoors when I need to wear gloves almost half the year (Sweden). I have been looking at something like a FR745, but this touchscreen+button combo of Fenix 7/Epix 2 really seems like the best of both worlds. Really hope that feature will come to the FR line soon!
I got both :) why to only go with 1 :) epix for longer and more endurance trips. Venu for day to day elegance. Still keeping though my forerunners 245 & 945. Also Apple Watch 7. Really into watches lately.
It‘s getting kind of annoying that the Venu line is missing so many rather essential training features like Recovery time, Training load or race predictor. I think they should just roll all the 645 tier metrics into this watch, since that spot in the line up is now vacant, and call ist a day. Or just make an Amoled 655 now that I think of it.
I totally agree there's definitely a gap in the market. I am looking for the same plus 'Strava Live segment' function on an AMOLED but don't need maps or spend the money for the Epix.
Absolutely agree. I bought a Venu 2+ last week to replace a broken 645 and after a couple of runs realise that stats I just assumed would be there (as well as Strava Live Segments) aren't there
Hey DC, thank you for the comparison videos. I’m in the market for a new watch and have been watching all of your watch comparison videos 😵💫 they’re very informative but I still can’t figure out which is the right watch for my purposes: 1) I run occasionally and would like to use one for marathon training 2) I’d like to track my sleep and steps- any additional health tracking would be a bonus 3) I’d like a watch I can wear during a spartan race and not worry about the dirt destroying the Watch 4) I train in a gym 85-90% of the time so fun gym features (although not necessary) would be fun to have. 5) I’ve been going back and fourth between Apple Watch, Garmin FENIX, Venue 2 Plus and Epix. All very different I know. 😣 I’d love to know your thoughts! Thank you in advance
You need a durable watch for those outdoor activities. I recommend you get something like a Fenix 7 with a sapphire screen. A Venu 2 will get destroyed doing those activities. I have both the Fenix 7X solar sapphire and the Venu 2. My Venu 2 is my daily watch, much more comfortable, and my Fenix 7 X (heavy, bulky and tough as nails) is my outdoor watch.
I don’t understand, why didn‘t show us the Trainingsload in the Venu - same as the FR55. That is really sad, it’s only a software restriction…thanks for your video. Best greeting from Germany 😃
Ray, I am interested in either of these watches. I would get one mostly for health tracking. My main endurance sport is cycling. I already have an Edge cycling computer to handle the activity tracking. How would the Venu/Fenix/Epix be used in conjunction with the Edge while still being able to use the Stamina feature if the watch isn’t the main tracker?
I have Fenix 7 X Solar Sapphire and recently got a Venu 2 (on sale) for daily use. The Fenix 7X is just too big and heavy for daily use. The Venu is perfect and has the basic activities I do although metrics are trimmed down. I plan to keep using my Venu 2 for daily use and for travel. Its much lighter and if something happens to it I won't be as upset as if something happened to my Fenix 7. I use my Fenix 7 for outdoor activities and exercising because it tracks a lot more metrics and has mapping. I would recommend the Venu 2 for anyone who doesn't need performance metrics beyond the basics, doesn't need mapping and wants to save some money. My Venu 2 records all my vitals, sleep score factors and has built in spotify which I use often. It has messaging, the battery lasts 11-12 days, has AMOLED screen, and is much lighter and comfortable for daily use. Doesn't get much better than that for a daily watch. The best part is that all my vitals and performance metrics are updated in the Garmin app seamlessly.
Subjective or not but I'm not very keen on the bolder typeface of the Epix. I wonder what the reason for Garmin for that has been? The bolder typeface on the Epix tends to be fuzzy whereas the roman typeface of the Venu plus is imho far clearer.
The Fenix appears to use another font, which appears to be thicker than the font used on the Venu. You can see it quite clearly on the side by side comparisons. Is this true? The text and numbers on the Venu look much sharper to me. Could you please clear that for me? Thanks!
Does the stress, sleep and body battery data from the Venu impact the recovery and training metrics of a Fenix (or 945/745) if you wear the Venue as your day-to-day watch and the Fenix (or 945/745) for workouts?
Hmm, at a high level yes. But I think there's some substantial 'devils in the detail' aspects to it. For example, the Fenix/FR wouldn't likely trigger changes to daily suggested workouts, since it doesn't think it's primary. But that's just my guess.
@@Dcrainmaker Have you reached out to Grarmin regarding this? Having 'certain metrics' transfer both ways (between multiple Garmin watches) would be welcome and helpful.
Would have gone with V2 if it had open water swimming, I don't hike or trail run that often but I am looking forward now since I placed the order for Epix. I am not regretting that decision after watching this vid as there are many useful features that the V2 is missing. Can't wait to get my hands-on the epix and be epic 😅
How is the epix doing? I got the fenix 7x and it is heavier than an anvil, so I had to send it back. 89grams for the Fenix 7x is way too heavy. If the V2+ did maps, it would be an easy decision, so I'll wait another year for the right combination of features in a watch.
Interesting. I bought the veno 2 plus and 2 months later upgraded to the Epix Gen 2 and so glad I did. Should have gone with the Epix first time around!
@@Jgunner2011 because the EPIX 2 is a more advanced watch and there are several missing functions on V2+ related to training status and effect. The V2+ also does not calculate VO2 Max for example. So it has several missing functions which I found frustrating as I didn’t notice this before purchase and in the end had to go back and get the EPIX to get the functionality I wanted. The V2+ is a nice watch but if you are serious about your workouts, training etc then go with the EPIX as I was disappointed with V2+.
Garmin is clearly more expensive than others. However, you are also buying access to their ecosystem. Three years ago I switched to Garmin because Suunto and Samsung ecosystems were crap. Maybe a video/article on this subject would be a good idea.
I have both, I really wish the epix came in a 2s smaller version, my wrist isn’t small but I feel like I’m toting around Big Ben on my wrist (size wise, weight is fine), the venu isn’t rugged enough looking for my taste but I bought it for at work anyway.
durability as much as anything. If you have a thin wall or depth or screen, it will be damaged much sooner. If you're a always home, rarely venture off the sidewalk person, the thin bezel and classier look is good. if you like trails, hiking, climbing and other stuff, those thin bezels will spell eventual doom to that watch. It's a tradeoff. Bulky and hardy or thin and meek.
@@Dcrainmaker Hello, you said the opposite in the video. It's about the burning you said it has been fixed but now due to a different display. Check the section of footage maybe is good to write that down.
Another question, if I may. Does either one have auto scroll and/or auto lap in Pool Swim mode? F.e. Interval time for say each 10 laps? The Garmins that I know do not offer this in swim mode, auto scroll nor auto lap (beats me why not). Anyone?
Great content Ray. Tell me in your opinion, which watch has these features all in one casing (transflective display, touch screen, mapping and speaker function) ... I haven't yet these features in one watch. Gamin 7 comes with these features minus the mic and speaker. Thanks .
I have had a fenix watch for ages and probably like most people I never use maps and never do a workout for more than a couple of hours might have to switch to the Venu. The price of the new Fenix for me I think is just a but much
What are the odds on the Forerunner 945 getting on AMOLED update and having the additional performance metrics such as Stamina being added at some point in the not-too-distant future? That would be a perfect running watch!
Hi! I need some advice and I think you’re the one that could help me. I currently have vivoactive4, but there are a lot of things that I started to miss and decided to upgrade. I've watched a lot of reviews on YT, read a lot of reviews, but still don't know what's best for me. I'm wondering between the forerunner 945, venu 2 and epix 2 (although this price hurts a bit and I don't know if I really need all the features). I run 3 times a week mainly in the city / in the stadium, but I would also like to introduce cross-country / forest runs and therefore I think that navigation would be useful, which automatically disqualifies venu 2. In addition, I also train 3-4 times in the gym and I’d really want to have the status of training after these trainings (training load) and recovery, which also disqualifies venu 2. However, after vivoactive4 I liked the touch screen very much, which, unfortunately, is not available in the forerunner. So I am asking for help, is epix 2 really the only option in this case? Thanks!
So im guessing there is no 955 :(( Great video once again. But man I wish there was a new 955 coming out. I really dont want to pull the trigger on the LTE if the 955 is right around the corner.
@@TheHUhelps Nope. I did not get the 955 because the 955 didnt have an LTE version. Which is what I needed. Now 8 months later I got the apple watch ultra to test out and see if it compares to the 945 LTE.
Thank you for the video. ❤. May you make a video about how to use dwMap (and other maps) on the venu 2 plus. I am new to garmin and kind of lost when dealing with maps 😢
It's plausible, though I suspect it might be the optical illusion with the edges of the glass rounding off on the Venu 2. The other challenge is they actually have different brightness levels depending on which function I was in. For example, in the maps areas, the Epix brightness blows out the camera, compared to the Venu 2 Plus in non-maps. In real-life, it just looks nice.
You say in the intro that the Venu 2 Plus requires a mix of touchscreen and buttons, but that the Epix can operate solely with buttons. I sent back my Venu 2 Plus last week and kept the Epix, but I felt that as someone who primarily wants to use touchscreen control, the V2P was better at that. I find that the Epix forces me to use buttons in more scenarios than the V2P did. For me the difference was the suggested workouts, recovery info, etc. that you talk about. But I definitely also wanted the nice screen so some of the alternatives weren't an option for me.
Hey DC, love your content. It would be great if you could do a critical iPhone/ Garmin (epix) compatibility review. And especially the setbacks or things to consider. Thanks!
I would look at a 6 series Pro. I don't see much difference in price and it is a more recent model with more features. I got the 6X Pro during black Friday. I have no regrets not waiting for the 7 especially at the price I paid.
Can you please comment on Epix vs Wahoo element bolt 2 for hiking? Or can you recommend any bike computers for hiking. The map trails on the Epix looks like a great companion on long hikes.
just as i needed. comparison between both. cannot decide as i really need that in call/voice assistant feature on venu and mapping/expedition gps mode on epix (as i am hardcore 4x4 explorer). using a fenix 6x.
Thank you for yet another awesome and helpful video. 🙏🏻 What would be a solid option or alternative to recommend (inside and outside the GARMIN „universe“) if I want most of the EPIX‘s features without investing that huge amount of money? Sorry, if you already answered that question and I missed it…
As a Fenix 6S Pro owner I’m not likely to update to either but it’s an interesting exercise to see which way I’d go if my Fenix 6S suddenly died. I don’t do triathlons so not interested in the multi-sport bit and the price difference is significant. I also think the Epix is way too big for my skinny arms. I rarely use the maps but that could be in large part to staying close to home in the past 2 years which hopefully won’t always be the case! I greatly prefer to use a watch with buttons - I ditched Apple Watch because the touchscreen was finicky when wet so I’d need to see how the Venu worked in bad conditions (no false presses etc). I find the recovery information interesting but ultimately I’m not elite and I should listen to my body. So I suppose with all that the main miss would be the maps, but all those dollars…
Surprised you didn’t talk about watch faces that are available or connect IQ version. I love my Epix, but surprised there are no native watch faces that take advantage of the OLED display like the Venu2 has. The Epix is also not compatible with CIQ version 4 like Venu 2 either. Odd to spend a$1,000 on a watch which main feature is the screen vs Fenix yet Garmin has created no watch faces to take advantage of that screen. No live watch faces or even faces that take advantage of contract, colors, or pixel density.
I wish the venu 2 plus looked like the epix along with the buttons. Don't need so much of the in depth training resources because I'm not a triathlon person in training just a normie that tries to keep in shape physically. An Average Joe. What if I'm looking for the epix watch look with the venu 2 plus features. That's what I'm looking for.
Aaaaagh no training load? This would be the perfect Apple Watch killer for a keen cyclist who wants a companion device. I’d still like my non cycling activities to contribute to my training load as currently happens with my F6s but the chunk and display are looking very old compared to modern watches. This COULD have been my next watch.
Great content, thank you. I would like to have a device that tracks time, distance and elevation accurately for both Mt biking and trail running but keeping the data separate for each while working without a phone near. What would you recommend? I know this is super simple compared to what devices can do now but it’s all I need. Thanks in advance.
Can you compare GPS - All Sattelites vs GPS All + Multi-Band? I wonder how much better Multi-Band setting is and if it is worth buying Sappire version of Epix or Fenix 7 because of better GPS accuracy.
@@Dcrainmaker Still rocking the vivoactive 3. Sometimes I wish I could see more, but also still need to figure out at ton at the connect app. Can do all kind of workout stuff and then set that up as an activity if I am not mistaken. (Have to figure out how I could set it up that I was an hour at the gym etc.
Hi Ray. I don’t own either watch, but I do not believe the Venu 2 Plus has racquet sports like tennis. In Garmin’s Venu 2 Plus TH-cam video I asked Garmin why tennis is not on the Venu 2 Plus. They gave me a pretty condescending reply that I should leave a suggestion on their developer page. Not sure why this profile would not be on the Venu 2 Plus as it is marketed as a cross fit type of device. Just my 2 cents.
My guess would be about 2-3 days with always-on display. It’s a huge battery burn in always on mode, for generally very little upside as accuracy is tougher.
Is the Epix 2 just as, worse, or more capable, than the Venu 2 when it comes to workouts in the gym? I do 80% of my exercises in a gym. The rest is mostly hiking. I've been looking around and until now I can't seem to find a clear answer. If somebody knows please chime in!
First of all. Your work is amazing. To you or the community: is there a watch like the venu 2 (in terms of style) but with map navigation ? I gave my apple watch 7 away due to the lack of battery and the venu2plus would be perfect if there was mapping. Thx and god bless
Amazon links are not very useful at the moment, Epix is severely oversold. I personally would love to see Stamina for bike activities, does it support it? It is not clear, all examples are for running only
Yup, Stamina is available on cycling - check out my full Fenix 7 video actually for a look at cycling with it over a 7hr ride. The Epix was on that ride too with identical Stamina stats, but I had filmed the Epix video the day prior.
I’ve got Fenix 6 X Pro Solar, Epix Gen 2 & Venu 2 Plus, the biggest difference I’ve found is the heart rate sensor on the Venu 2 Plus is very hit or miss if you have tattoos over your wrist like I do, both Epix & Fenix 6 work, is this down to a cheaper sensor on the Venu 2 Plus ? I get the same with Apple Watch 7 too, which I’m thoroughly pee’d off with as I bought the stainless version and now barely use it !
The Epix and Venu 2 Plus are actually identical sensors. The Fenix 6 is an older generation. If you’re seeing differences between Epix and Venu 2 plus, it may be due to the larger size helping conceal light from getting in, which in turn helps the sensor more. Do ensure no matter the watch, it’s snug, which also reduces light leakage.
Great review! How long does the Epix 2 screen stay on for in gesture mode when you are looking at it? I work in healthcare, and one of the essential features in a watch for me, is the ability to see the seconds hand of my analogue watch face for at least 15 seconds (to count patient's heart rates, respiratory rates etc.) My Samsung watch is frustrating from this point of view as the screen turns off while I'm looking at it, and my other hand is usually holding a stethoscope (so I can't wake the screen back up). In always on mode, does the seconds hand of the analogue watch face still remain visible?
Haven't found a watch face with the seconds hand constantly visible yet. The max you can set the screen timeout to is exactly 15 seconds. You'd have to move your wrist a bit to keep the screen on otherwise.
I can't select Garmin watches( Please help me! I like Venu 2 Plus but also like water activities(like surfing and diving) Is Venu 2 plus will be good in surfing with its 5ATM? Or I should look for 10ATM only?
With the Fenix/Epix - they support advanced surfing metrics/tracking, and even integration with webcams to overlay it all. As for the waterproofing, zero issues whatsoever with 5ATM. I do waterproof testing in chambers, and every 5ATM unit I've used for a decade now breezes through that test.
I've been eyeing these 2. I MTB mainly and my biggest pain point is the GPS accuracy in the woods and switchbacks. Is the GPS (without multiband) performance the same between the two?
Are you using the Titanium-Sapphire variant? If yes, how’s it holding up as far scratches are concerned? Everyone is saying I should buy the Titanium-Sapphire variant cus the steel-dlc variant scratches easily!
Yes, titanium-sapphire. Pretty good, given that I essentially treat them like crap. And more notably, shot tons of photos with the watches on/around lava rocks - all with no scratches.
@@Dcrainmaker Oh wow! That’s impressive! Your response I’m sure is nothing short of timely! Keep putting out the wonderful reviews! And YES, I agree with one of the comments asking Garmin to employ you! Then again people would begin to doubt your objectivity that we have loved to watch because they’d assume you’re just putting out marketing stunts to enrich your pockets. What a contradiction we humans are! Either ways give it a short. We your discerning viewers would come to your defense!😎😊
Voice assistant might not be a reason to get the V2 atleast for the Android users, it sucks tbh. Not being able to connect a Bluetooth earphone is a major downside. 449 is still not less but this watch doesn't have much to offer apart from the bright display. Apple beats this as a better allrounder. I guess this watch is for girls using Android who want a good looking watch but convince themself that they are spending on a health tracker 😀
I'm between the epix 2 and a fenix 7. I would prefer the epix but I'm worried about burn-in because I want this to be a 3-4 year purchase and if I start to see ghosting in my thousand dollar watch after 18 months I'm gonna be pissed. So I haven't decided yet.
I just dialed back things on my new Epix. 1) turned off always on, 2) turned off gesture wake, 3) set brightness to medium, 4) checked screen time out (set to medium). Screen is still bright and wakes with just a touch. I expect great battery life and no burn in. Fingers crossed :)
@@fendermon I could probably live with those settings except for not having gesture wake. I really need to be able to wake it without touching because a lot of the time i have my hands full with something. In fact I've been disappointed with my fenix 6 sometimes not waking with gesture and have to repeat the gesture. I think I will go with epix 2 because that screen looks crisp.
I smiled when I saw this come up on my feed. Thanks for creating this content, DC Rainmaker. I had this very comparison in mind the moment the Epix Gen 2 was released.
Thanks Juan - appreciate it!
I have the Venu 2 and Fenix 6X Pro. I find myself really loving my V2 more. The big advantage to the Fenix series is maps, especially for back country adventures. For day to day use, average folks working out, the Venu is fantastic.
Could you elaborate? What do you mean with maps advantage? I thought the Fenix pro has maps? And the venu didn't.
Do you use your Fenix 6X anymore? getting venu 2+ today after checking it out (friend has it). plan to sell 6x
@Peter PB most Fenix models come with maps installed right on the watch. The Venu series lacks this. Fenix holds the edge on outdoor navigation for sure.
@@ThomasHoffDE I do still use the Fenix. I wore it a few days ago. I think it's nice to have it as an option. If ever I get back out to the woods, I'd wear the Fenix
@@ThomasHoffDE I use my F6X still. Just not as much as since getting the Venu 2
I think someone just starting out would feel so overwhelmed with the Epic watch, Venu 2 Plus is a great watch would recommend that one as a beginning watch and maybe later when you get comfortable with the Venu 2 epix would be next to get👍
Thank you for this video. I was waiting for this comparison!!!
Thanks - appreciate it!
Great review and tipped me initially towards the Venu 2. I've just bought one to replace a 645 Forerunner where the case broke. Screen and interface are light years ahead of the 645, but they have stripped out a few of the running stats from that watch (eg vertical oscillation, even though my chest strap supports it) and very annoyingly Strava Live Segments. To my mind, Garmin never really replaced the 645 - you either dumb down a bit with the 245 which also lacks some smart features (such as Pay) or go full triathlon. Here's hoping that there is an Amoled Forerunner soon. In the meantime, pondering whether to go for that Epix after all...
The speaker microphone on the venu2+ is a great feature that should’ve been on the Epix.
Rather on Fenix and Tactix Delta. It would kill battery very quickly on Epix :)
@@janmasek699 If that’s the case then it’s causing the same situation to the venu2+. I think if you’re paying top dollar for the Epix, it should have that feature with the option to disable it if it’s draining the battery that much when needed.
@@BigWill007 Yup. I mean it as a joke. In fact top end watches like Tactix, Fénix and Epix should even have LTE possibility. It is absolutely up to the user how to deal with all the functions ;)
This is a relevant comparison video for me and my use case, as I'm not really a typical sports guy (more of the target group for Vivoactive/Venu), but I'm really tired of trying (and failing) to use a touchscreen outdoors when I need to wear gloves almost half the year (Sweden). I have been looking at something like a FR745, but this touchscreen+button combo of Fenix 7/Epix 2 really seems like the best of both worlds. Really hope that feature will come to the FR line soon!
Mapping and navigation is why I went with the epix 2, especially round trip course.
I got both :) why to only go with 1 :) epix for longer and more endurance trips. Venu for day to day elegance. Still keeping though my forerunners 245 & 945. Also Apple Watch 7. Really into watches lately.
@@magdalenaabno908 - You must hate money ha ha
@@yogiyoda not really:) just using it ;)
@@magdalenaabno908 - send some to me. You have too much :)
It‘s getting kind of annoying that the Venu line is missing so many rather essential training features like Recovery time, Training load or race predictor. I think they should just roll all the 645 tier metrics into this watch, since that spot in the line up is now vacant, and call ist a day.
Or just make an Amoled 655 now that I think of it.
Yeah, I agree. At least in some basic form.
I totally agree there's definitely a gap in the market. I am looking for the same plus 'Strava Live segment' function on an AMOLED but don't need maps or spend the money for the Epix.
Absolutely agree. I bought a Venu 2+ last week to replace a broken 645 and after a couple of runs realise that stats I just assumed would be there (as well as Strava Live Segments) aren't there
An Epix 2 Plus in 6 months? I want that! Outstanding comparison good man! 🤙🏻
One can dream!
What? Is this something reliable?
Hey DC, thank you for the comparison videos. I’m in the market for a new watch and have been watching all of your watch comparison videos 😵💫 they’re very informative but I still can’t figure out which is the right watch for my purposes:
1) I run occasionally and would like to use one for marathon training
2) I’d like to track my sleep and steps- any additional health tracking would be a bonus
3) I’d like a watch I can wear during a spartan race and not worry about the dirt destroying the Watch
4) I train in a gym 85-90% of the time so fun gym features (although not necessary) would be fun to have.
5) I’ve been going back and fourth between Apple Watch, Garmin FENIX, Venue 2 Plus and Epix. All very different I know. 😣
I’d love to know your thoughts! Thank you in advance
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I'm in that situation right now. Wondering, What did you end up getting? And why?
Thanks!
(Just to see the answer)
@@dan5g931 what did you get?
You need a durable watch for those outdoor activities. I recommend you get something like a Fenix 7 with a sapphire screen. A Venu 2 will get destroyed doing those activities. I have both the Fenix 7X solar sapphire and the Venu 2. My Venu 2 is my daily watch, much more comfortable, and my Fenix 7 X (heavy, bulky and tough as nails) is my outdoor watch.
I don’t understand, why didn‘t show us the Trainingsload in the Venu - same as the FR55. That is really sad, it’s only a software restriction…thanks for your video. Best greeting from Germany 😃
Ray,
I am interested in either of these watches. I would get one mostly for health tracking. My main endurance sport is cycling. I already have an Edge cycling computer to handle the activity tracking.
How would the Venu/Fenix/Epix be used in conjunction with the Edge while still being able to use the Stamina feature if the watch isn’t the main tracker?
I have Fenix 7 X Solar Sapphire and recently got a Venu 2 (on sale) for daily use. The Fenix 7X is just too big and heavy for daily use. The Venu is perfect and has the basic activities I do although metrics are trimmed down. I plan to keep using my Venu 2 for daily use and for travel. Its much lighter and if something happens to it I won't be as upset as if something happened to my Fenix 7. I use my Fenix 7 for outdoor activities and exercising because it tracks a lot more metrics and has mapping. I would recommend the Venu 2 for anyone who doesn't need performance metrics beyond the basics, doesn't need mapping and wants to save some money. My Venu 2 records all my vitals, sleep score factors and has built in spotify which I use often. It has messaging, the battery lasts 11-12 days, has AMOLED screen, and is much lighter and comfortable for daily use. Doesn't get much better than that for a daily watch. The best part is that all my vitals and performance metrics are updated in the Garmin app seamlessly.
Subjective or not but I'm not very keen on the bolder typeface of the Epix. I wonder what the reason for Garmin for that has been? The bolder typeface on the Epix tends to be fuzzy whereas the roman typeface of the Venu plus is imho far clearer.
Interesting. I actually like it the different font face, though probably just because I spend more time on the Forerunner/Fenix lineup.
The Fenix appears to use another font, which appears to be thicker than the font used on the Venu. You can see it quite clearly on the side by side comparisons. Is this true?
The text and numbers on the Venu look much sharper to me. Could you please clear that for me? Thanks!
Does the stress, sleep and body battery data from the Venu impact the recovery and training metrics of a Fenix (or 945/745) if you wear the Venue as your day-to-day watch and the Fenix (or 945/745) for workouts?
Hmm, at a high level yes. But I think there's some substantial 'devils in the detail' aspects to it. For example, the Fenix/FR wouldn't likely trigger changes to daily suggested workouts, since it doesn't think it's primary. But that's just my guess.
Great question, Patrick. I picked up a Venu 2+ with the same usage situation in mind....to add a Fenix 7 for workouts and outdoor use.
@@Dcrainmaker Have you reached out to Grarmin regarding this? Having 'certain metrics' transfer both ways (between multiple Garmin watches) would be welcome and helpful.
Would have gone with V2 if it had open water swimming, I don't hike or trail run that often but I am looking forward now since I placed the order for Epix. I am not regretting that decision after watching this vid as there are many useful features that the V2 is missing. Can't wait to get my hands-on the epix and be epic 😅
How is the epix doing? I got the fenix 7x and it is heavier than an anvil, so I had to send it back. 89grams for the Fenix 7x is way too heavy. If the V2+ did maps, it would be an easy decision, so I'll wait another year for the right combination of features in a watch.
Interesting. I bought the veno 2 plus and 2 months later upgraded to the Epix Gen 2 and so glad I did. Should have gone with the Epix first time around!
Why do you like the EPIX more? I am torn between the EPIX and V2+…
@@Jgunner2011 because the EPIX 2 is a more advanced watch and there are several missing functions on V2+ related to training status and effect. The V2+ also does not calculate VO2 Max for example. So it has several missing functions which I found frustrating as I didn’t notice this before purchase and in the end had to go back and get the EPIX to get the functionality I wanted. The V2+ is a nice watch but if you are serious about your workouts, training etc then go with the EPIX as I was disappointed with V2+.
@@mugenmrx5 I was just looking at the Garmin website and it says that the VO2 Max can be measured on a Venu 2 Plus. Am I missing something?
I have the Garmin venue 2 plus and the Garmin 6x pro solar! I like my venu 2 plus best!
I just want my 945 LTE w/ the AOLED screen. Take my money garmin!
I agree!
Now waiting for a Garmin Edge cycle computer with an OLED display 👌
I agree!
And USB-C charging. 🤞
@@jhoff80 how about wireless charging?
I'm all about any charging that isn't as iffy as the Garmin proprietary charging has been for me. That said...I still love my Garmin.
During Storm Corrie I said to my wife that I hoped Ray wasn't flying things at Ijmuiden. There's a great pic of Zuidpier in today's Haarlems Dagblad.
Haha…not even I was going to try and fly in that!
Garmin is clearly more expensive than others. However, you are also buying access to their ecosystem. Three years ago I switched to Garmin because Suunto and Samsung ecosystems were crap. Maybe a video/article on this subject would be a good idea.
the correct comparison will be the epix vs the forerunner 955 (which is speculated to be out this year and with an AMOLED screen)
I have both, I really wish the epix came in a 2s smaller version, my wrist isn’t small but I feel like I’m toting around Big Ben on my wrist (size wise, weight is fine), the venu isn’t rugged enough looking for my taste but I bought it for at work anyway.
I've never understood the reason for the large bezels on the most Garmin watches.
durability as much as anything. If you have a thin wall or depth or screen, it will be damaged much sooner. If you're a always home, rarely venture off the sidewalk person, the thin bezel and classier look is good. if you like trails, hiking, climbing and other stuff, those thin bezels will spell eventual doom to that watch. It's a tradeoff. Bulky and hardy or thin and meek.
I bought VENU 2 plus in India which cost 565 USD & I’m loving it
Any idea why does it cost so much more in India?
@@nofeah89because of massive import charges
So if I am in the right as you said since the first Venue Garmin never updated the display?
No, that’s incorrect. The Venu 1 display is different. Venu 2 and Epix share the same display.
@@Dcrainmaker Hello, you said the opposite in the video.
It's about the burning you said it has been fixed but now due to a different display.
Check the section of footage maybe is good to write that down.
Another question, if I may. Does either one have auto scroll and/or auto lap in Pool Swim mode? F.e. Interval time for say each 10 laps? The Garmins that I know do not offer this in swim mode, auto scroll nor auto lap (beats me why not). Anyone?
Great content Ray. Tell me in your opinion, which watch has these features all in one casing (transflective display, touch screen, mapping and speaker function) ... I haven't yet these features in one watch. Gamin 7 comes with these features minus the mic and speaker.
Thanks .
I have had a fenix watch for ages and probably like most people I never use maps and never do a workout for more than a couple of hours might have to switch to the Venu. The price of the new Fenix for me I think is just a but much
This is exactly me. I've just sold my Fenix and went with the Venu 2 Plus. I really found myself not using even half of the features of the Fenix.
Can you use the Venu 2 Plus for golfing and track strokes, and does it provide course distance?
The epix will record jumps in the MTB activity?? I didn't think it was an option for watches at the moment (even if mounted on the handle bars)
Hmm...that's a good point, I forgot that was technically broken out between Edge/watch. Let me see if I can snip that out. Thanks!
No jumps with epix alone. You need an extra device. Flow and grit available with watch alone
Can the watch display the coordinates of the location we are in?
What are the odds on the Forerunner 945 getting on AMOLED update and having the additional performance metrics such as Stamina being added at some point in the not-too-distant future? That would be a perfect running watch!
Hi! I need some advice and I think you’re the one that could help me. I currently have vivoactive4, but there are a lot of things that I started to miss and decided to upgrade. I've watched a lot of reviews on YT, read a lot of reviews, but still don't know what's best for me. I'm wondering between the forerunner 945, venu 2 and epix 2 (although this price hurts a bit and I don't know if I really need all the features). I run 3 times a week mainly in the city / in the stadium, but I would also like to introduce cross-country / forest runs and therefore I think that navigation would be useful, which automatically disqualifies venu 2. In addition, I also train 3-4 times in the gym and I’d really want to have the status of training after these trainings (training load) and recovery, which also disqualifies venu 2. However, after vivoactive4 I liked the touch screen very much, which, unfortunately, is not available in the forerunner. So I am asking for help, is epix 2 really the only option in this case? Thanks!
So im guessing there is no 955 :(( Great video once again. But man I wish there was a new 955 coming out. I really dont want to pull the trigger on the LTE if the 955 is right around the corner.
Were to able to wait for the 955 that came out after you commented?
@@TheHUhelps Nope. I did not get the 955 because the 955 didnt have an LTE version. Which is what I needed. Now 8 months later I got the apple watch ultra to test out and see if it compares to the 945 LTE.
Thank you for the video. ❤. May you make a video about how to use dwMap (and other maps) on the venu 2 plus. I am new to garmin and kind of lost when dealing with maps 😢
This was very helpful, thank you!
Is there a way to have the workout heart rate graphic screen of the epix that’s shown in the video thumbnail on a Forerunner 945 ? It’s really nice.
Is it just to my eyes or the Venu 2 has a better screen, even if they are identical? Maybe is due to the saphhire glass on the Epix?
It's plausible, though I suspect it might be the optical illusion with the edges of the glass rounding off on the Venu 2. The other challenge is they actually have different brightness levels depending on which function I was in. For example, in the maps areas, the Epix brightness blows out the camera, compared to the Venu 2 Plus in non-maps. In real-life, it just looks nice.
@@Dcrainmaker It also seems like Epix characters are "out of focus", way better Venu font for my boomer eyes :)
You say in the intro that the Venu 2 Plus requires a mix of touchscreen and buttons, but that the Epix can operate solely with buttons. I sent back my Venu 2 Plus last week and kept the Epix, but I felt that as someone who primarily wants to use touchscreen control, the V2P was better at that. I find that the Epix forces me to use buttons in more scenarios than the V2P did.
For me the difference was the suggested workouts, recovery info, etc. that you talk about. But I definitely also wanted the nice screen so some of the alternatives weren't an option for me.
I think he was saying that the v2p couldn't use only buttons in comparison to the epix that can.
Nice video man thank you very much. I have the Venu 2 and i am very happy. Bought it after your video :)))
Thanks!
Great review, thank you
Hey DC, love your content. It would be great if you could do a critical iPhone/ Garmin (epix) compatibility review. And especially the setbacks or things to consider. Thanks!
Do you think the heart rate monitor on the venu 2 plus is more accurate than the Epix since the venu 2 is smaller?
Just curious, is it still relavant to buy a fenix 5 plus in 2022?
I would look at a 6 series Pro. I don't see much difference in price and it is a more recent model with more features. I got the 6X Pro during black Friday. I have no regrets not waiting for the 7 especially at the price I paid.
Can you please comment on Epix vs Wahoo element bolt 2 for hiking? Or can you recommend any bike computers for hiking. The map trails on the Epix looks like a great companion on long hikes.
just as i needed. comparison between both. cannot decide as i really need that in call/voice assistant feature on venu and mapping/expedition gps mode on epix (as i am hardcore 4x4 explorer). using a fenix 6x.
What about the Whoop 4.0 review?
Thank you for yet another awesome and helpful video. 🙏🏻
What would be a solid option or alternative to recommend (inside and outside the GARMIN „universe“) if I want most of the EPIX‘s features without investing that huge amount of money? Sorry, if you already answered that question and I missed it…
As a Fenix 6S Pro owner I’m not likely to update to either but it’s an interesting exercise to see which way I’d go if my Fenix 6S suddenly died. I don’t do triathlons so not interested in the multi-sport bit and the price difference is significant. I also think the Epix is way too big for my skinny arms. I rarely use the maps but that could be in large part to staying close to home in the past 2 years which hopefully won’t always be the case! I greatly prefer to use a watch with buttons - I ditched Apple Watch because the touchscreen was finicky when wet so I’d need to see how the Venu worked in bad conditions (no false presses etc). I find the recovery information interesting but ultimately I’m not elite and I should listen to my body. So I suppose with all that the main miss would be the maps, but all those dollars…
It's strange but the Venu 2 doesn't have audio prompts
Ohh…another good one! Yeah, so many nuanced differences!
@@Dcrainmaker it was a bad surprise for me as I started a voice guided training
Epix for me! I love it! Best watch garmin makes and way better than Fenix! Screen is amazing and battery lasts foreverrrr
Always great reviews, wish they made epix/ finex more wearable like the venu.
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They make a Fenix 7s which is pretty small. The screen is smaller than the Venu 2 and Epix though
@@yogiyoda agreed for $800 plus they must invest on the design.
Surprised you didn’t talk about watch faces that are available or connect IQ version. I love my Epix, but surprised there are no native watch faces that take advantage of the OLED display like the Venu2 has. The Epix is also not compatible with CIQ version 4 like Venu 2 either. Odd to spend a$1,000 on a watch which main feature is the screen vs Fenix yet Garmin has created no watch faces to take advantage of that screen. No live watch faces or even faces that take advantage of contract, colors, or pixel density.
I personally love the circular with all data on my Venu 2, I have an Epix and the faces are a huge bummer, I might return it
Great Video!!! Thank you!!!
Hi, thanks for the great content. Is the ClimbPro cycling feature available on the Venu 2 Plus? Thanks.
No, unfortunately not. Basically ClimbPro is dependent on Courses, and since no courses, no ClimbPro.
Will you test Huawei watch gt runner ?
I have one, it can’t get it to work properly as I don’t have a Huawei phone.
@@Dcrainmaker Than you for your answerMaybe someone in Amsterdam ca borrow you a huawei phone ?
I wish the venu 2 plus looked like the epix along with the buttons. Don't need so much of the in depth training resources because I'm not a triathlon person in training just a normie that tries to keep in shape physically. An Average Joe.
What if I'm looking for the epix watch look with the venu 2 plus features. That's what I'm looking for.
Aaaaagh no training load? This would be the perfect Apple Watch killer for a keen cyclist who wants a companion device. I’d still like my non cycling activities to contribute to my training load as currently happens with my F6s but the chunk and display are looking very old compared to modern watches.
This COULD have been my next watch.
What happened to ECG? Do new garmin watches have ECG or not? Who has best HR info? Apple or garmin?
I think it’s a tigh but apple has ecg but sucks in battery life. If your towards health and fitness then hands down garmin
Great content, thank you. I would like to have a device that tracks time, distance and elevation accurately for both Mt biking and trail running but keeping the data separate for each while working without a phone near. What would you recommend? I know this is super simple compared to what devices can do now but it’s all I need. Thanks in advance.
Can you compare GPS - All Sattelites vs GPS All + Multi-Band? I wonder how much better Multi-Band setting is and if it is worth buying Sappire version of Epix or Fenix 7 because of better GPS accuracy.
Nice Rands tee shirt. I had the same one.
Expecting vivoactive 5 or is the Venu kinda the newer vivoactive style?
Honestly not sure. I’d say if we do see a VA5, it’s probably the end of the line.
@@Dcrainmaker
Still rocking the vivoactive 3.
Sometimes I wish I could see more, but also still need to figure out at ton at the connect app.
Can do all kind of workout stuff and then set that up as an activity if I am not mistaken.
(Have to figure out how I could set it up that I was an hour at the gym etc.
Hey DC, why the black bands on both wrists? 😁
Nice review
Thanks - appreciate it!
Hi Ray. I don’t own either watch, but I do not believe the Venu 2 Plus has racquet sports like tennis. In Garmin’s Venu 2 Plus TH-cam video I asked Garmin why tennis is not on the Venu 2 Plus. They gave me a pretty condescending reply that I should leave a suggestion on their developer page. Not sure why this profile would not be on the Venu 2 Plus as it is marketed as a cross fit type of device. Just my 2 cents.
Ray, I’m looking forward to the Stamina feature appearing on the Edge 1030 plus replacement, can you confirm or deny?
I’d be blown away if we don’t see it on something like that.
Does anyone know how long the battery life lasts with the pulse ox on all the time for the Epix please?
My guess would be about 2-3 days with always-on display. It’s a huge battery burn in always on mode, for generally very little upside as accuracy is tougher.
Is the Epix 2 just as, worse, or more capable, than the Venu 2 when it comes to workouts in the gym? I do 80% of my exercises in a gym. The rest is mostly hiking. I've been looking around and until now I can't seem to find a clear answer. If somebody knows please chime in!
First of all. Your work is amazing. To you or the community: is there a watch like the venu 2 (in terms of style) but with map navigation ? I gave my apple watch 7 away due to the lack of battery and the venu2plus would be perfect if there was mapping. Thx and god bless
Amazon links are not very useful at the moment, Epix is severely oversold.
I personally would love to see Stamina for bike activities, does it support it? It is not clear, all examples are for running only
Yup, Stamina is available on cycling - check out my full Fenix 7 video actually for a look at cycling with it over a 7hr ride. The Epix was on that ride too with identical Stamina stats, but I had filmed the Epix video the day prior.
I was really hoping you would make this video, thanks!
Nothing beats your reviews!! Love the data you present with attention to details. Any guess on upcoming Garmin’s edge computers for this year?
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I’ve got Fenix 6 X Pro Solar, Epix Gen 2 & Venu 2 Plus, the biggest difference I’ve found is the heart rate sensor on the Venu 2 Plus is very hit or miss if you have tattoos over your wrist like I do, both Epix & Fenix 6 work, is this down to a cheaper sensor on the Venu 2 Plus ? I get the same with Apple Watch 7 too, which I’m thoroughly pee’d off with as I bought the stainless version and now barely use it !
The Epix and Venu 2 Plus are actually identical sensors. The Fenix 6 is an older generation. If you’re seeing differences between Epix and Venu 2 plus, it may be due to the larger size helping conceal light from getting in, which in turn helps the sensor more. Do ensure no matter the watch, it’s snug, which also reduces light leakage.
After the Fenix 7 / Epix series release, what do you end up using your daily driver?
I haven't entirely decided yet. Mostly, because my wrists are pretty busy these days. I suspect though, once things settle down, it might be Epix.
@@Dcrainmaker do you think the epix is worth the upgrade from the 6x pro sapphire?
I have Venu 2s not plus but still like it!!
Nice video, waiting for my epix gen 2 😊
Thanks, enjoy the new toy…I mean, errr….very serious training tool!
@@Dcrainmaker yep, I considered fenix 7X, venu 2 plus & the epix & finally zeroed in on the epix after seeing all your videos, thank you so much
Does stamina available on 945 lte?
Coming later this year.
Great review! How long does the Epix 2 screen stay on for in gesture mode when you are looking at it? I work in healthcare, and one of the essential features in a watch for me, is the ability to see the seconds hand of my analogue watch face for at least 15 seconds (to count patient's heart rates, respiratory rates etc.) My Samsung watch is frustrating from this point of view as the screen turns off while I'm looking at it, and my other hand is usually holding a stethoscope (so I can't wake the screen back up). In always on mode, does the seconds hand of the analogue watch face still remain visible?
Haven't found a watch face with the seconds hand constantly visible yet. The max you can set the screen timeout to is exactly 15 seconds. You'd have to move your wrist a bit to keep the screen on otherwise.
Fenix 7 has an AOD. No AMOLED screen but all of the Epix features plus a few more.
Darn, I was hoping to get a Poor Man Epix by way of The Venu 2 for half the price. Garmin it appears, is too smart to cannibalize it's Flagship.
I can't select Garmin watches( Please help me! I like Venu 2 Plus but also like water activities(like surfing and diving) Is Venu 2 plus will be good in surfing with its 5ATM? Or I should look for 10ATM only?
With the Fenix/Epix - they support advanced surfing metrics/tracking, and even integration with webcams to overlay it all. As for the waterproofing, zero issues whatsoever with 5ATM. I do waterproof testing in chambers, and every 5ATM unit I've used for a decade now breezes through that test.
@@Dcrainmaker Thank you! Going to amazon to take my V2P!)
I've been eyeing these 2. I MTB mainly and my biggest pain point is the GPS accuracy in the woods and switchbacks. Is the GPS (without multiband) performance the same between the two?
I use Venu OG for MTB. Pretty good.
Are you using the Titanium-Sapphire variant? If yes, how’s it holding up as far scratches are concerned? Everyone is saying I should buy the Titanium-Sapphire variant cus the steel-dlc variant scratches easily!
Yes, titanium-sapphire. Pretty good, given that I essentially treat them like crap. And more notably, shot tons of photos with the watches on/around lava rocks - all with no scratches.
@@Dcrainmaker Oh wow! That’s impressive! Your response I’m sure is nothing short of timely! Keep putting out the wonderful reviews!
And YES, I agree with one of the comments asking Garmin to employ you! Then again people would begin to doubt your objectivity that we have loved to watch because they’d assume you’re just putting out marketing stunts to enrich your pockets. What a contradiction we humans are! Either ways give it a short. We your discerning viewers would come to your defense!😎😊
Ray, do Garmin going to show something new in cycling Edge series this spring? No secrets, just yes or no.
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I just found there's no easy way to use stop watch on Fenix. Which is wierd because it has timer.
Can't assign a hot key combo?
Thanks for the review, mind made up
Has the autobrightness issue resolved in venu 2 plus? I send back my venu 2 plus just becoz of that issue otherwise its the best watch in all terms.
Thank you for the comparison! Would you choose 945 LTE over Fenix 7S for 24/7 use? I can see that 945 is slightly lighter but a little bit wider.
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Did Ray really say "$900,000 watch" - 13min 58 sec LOL
Finally. Thank you thank you than you
Thanks!!!
I want the epix model with the speaker of the Venu that would be the perfect watch. Groetjes uit Nederland Alkmaar.
Indeed! One day I’m sure! Hope you’re enjoying the sun today!
please all the people you have garmin and using youtube music. Make a request to google to make some sort of agreement with Garmin.
Yeah, I know Garmin certainly wants that - sadly in Google’s camp, and given their drive towards their own watch os, I don’t think that’ll change.
Glad you did this one. Did wonder what draw backs were to Venu
Thanks - appreciate it!
Voice assistant might not be a reason to get the V2 atleast for the Android users, it sucks tbh. Not being able to connect a Bluetooth earphone is a major downside. 449 is still not less but this watch doesn't have much to offer apart from the bright display. Apple beats this as a better allrounder. I guess this watch is for girls using Android who want a good looking watch but convince themself that they are spending on a health tracker 😀
Thank you much 👍🏻
No problem, enjoy!!!
I'm between the epix 2 and a fenix 7. I would prefer the epix but I'm worried about burn-in because I want this to be a 3-4 year purchase and if I start to see ghosting in my thousand dollar watch after 18 months I'm gonna be pissed. So I haven't decided yet.
I just dialed back things on my new Epix. 1) turned off always on, 2) turned off gesture wake, 3) set brightness to medium, 4) checked screen time out (set to medium). Screen is still bright and wakes with just a touch. I expect great battery life and no burn in. Fingers crossed :)
@@fendermon I could probably live with those settings except for not having gesture wake. I really need to be able to wake it without touching because a lot of the time i have my hands full with something. In fact I've been disappointed with my fenix 6 sometimes not waking with gesture and have to repeat the gesture. I think I will go with epix 2 because that screen looks crisp.
@@markimusprime3 Screen is everything they say. I don't regret choosing it. Gesture wake worked well for the short time I tried it. Good luck
@@fendermon justed ordered the epix gen 2 titanium. Thanks