That's a pretty clever way of getting at it. I think this ends up being the same thing I was taught but you're starting from the center and working out. In the way I was taught you take the average drawer height subtract half of the total thickness of the dividers and you get the size of the first drawer. Then just add divider thickness to each additional drawer. So drawer 2 is 1st drawer + 1 thickness, drawer 3 is 1st drawer + 2 thickness and so on. That way you're only using subtraction once. I think my shop teacher knew that none of us were all that good at math and only trusted us with addition lol. For drawers without visible dividers, the graded scale method from the Encyclopedia of Furniture Making (p.251) has worked well for me. I have a whole playlist saved with all the useful tricks I've found for woodworking and other maker stuff I'm interested. Easy to search for what I'm looking for later in most cases. It's a bit more granular than my watchlater which has a ton of stuff randomly in it.
YES, JSMXWLL, thank you. I imagine RC thought it better to explain the process in his own voice, so that he might be better prepared to answer questions they get his viewers. However, I would have explained it your way, because it's my way Lol. No, seriously, I like to explain things, to novices, in a way that they can confirm by means of established text, so that they always have resources, like the EFM to refer back to. That way if they need to look the info. up at a later date, they can. Or, if they didn't follow my description of the process, they may learn it better by reading it themselves. I was too lazy to lay it out here, they way i'd learned it, so thank you for doing it and providing the source. We need more education in YT Wood Work videos. SO, this video title pulled me in. I was glad to see a new creator, who doesn't seem to be just regurgitating tips & tricks, disseminating misinformation, or only out to prove he isn't afraid to make mistakes. This last one seems to be the new hot topic. I am medically limited & spend a great deal of time watching YT for entertainment and information. I very much appreciate the time & work all of the content creators put into their content. SO many videos now are makers making avoidable mistakes because they seem to think it's cheating to ask how something should be done. They struggle with tasks, when a search right here on TH-cam could have provided answers. I understand that watching them create with only a few tools, luck and enthusiasm, is entertaining. It gets them views and subscriptions & doesn't bother me.- That is, until I read a comment from a young person, someone who loved everything about the build, the maker & the channel, and they say they are thinking about WW or carpentry as a trade, or career. Then my stomach hurts. I am definitely interested in seeing if RC continues to make education part of his channel. If so I will absolutely watch his other videos, share, and subscribe. It's unfortunate for RC, but So, being smart may not be the smart way to build a YT channel. I mean, if the genius I just watched, right before this video, is any indication smart is the wrong way to get subs. That dude (having mastered woodworking) has now decide 'welding must be easy too', his channel is less than 3 years old & he has over 750 thousand subscribers. More than all of the wood magazine channels & Kreg and Rockler combined (they've got guys like Ernie Conover). That's more subs than Collin K or Jon P. ! Just under Stumpy Nubbs, a channel and magazine that has been giving reliable ww advice on YT for 12 years! SO Good Luck RC. and jsmxwll, thanks for letting me vent!♿Lisa🛠
I derive mine entirely geometrically, by dividing up an arc. The arc is from the bottom corner of the opening-minus-total-divider-height to the mid-point of the top of the opening. Divide it with dividers in to the number of drawers you want. It's as simple as that, with no maths involved. In contrast to other methods, it means that the width of the drawers has an influence on the height.
I hoped this was coming. The golden ratio and graduation are always there when trying to figure out what you want. Drawer number alone requires some time to think about for me. I’ve used a web based calculator to figure out graduations. Less thinking but I have used a compass on the full size drawer panel to draw it out before cutting them apart.
Enjoyed the video. Another less math intensive approach is to use a pair of dividers (I'm channeling my inner Toplin's By Hand and Eye book). Set dividers to thickness of wood horizontal pieces. Then walk off how many you want the bottom to me; go next level and walk off one less divider, and so on. Couuld even use a story board so never need to measure it (including using dividers to mark off the horizontal pieces). You essentially did the same thing.
That's an excellent way to do it. I looked for that method in my library and couldn't find it, so thanks for sharing that. If there's enough people who want to see that in action, I'd be happy to make a video about that method too. I'm much more a fan of doing things with dividers than measuring.
@@themountaintopjoinersshop8422 I think it would make a great compliment video to your current one. Plus, you could zing both metric and imperial measuments in the video.
Very good rule of thumb. Thank you for sharing this very informative video. I give you full marks for your very handsome and impressive tool chest! Greetings from France .
For those of us who are mathematically inclined you may have spotted a couple of small errors in the 4 drawer example but they are of no consequence: * 11 - 1.2 = 9.8 not 9.2, but 11 + 1.2 = 12.2 not 12.8 so those two errors cancelled each other out when you double check against the height of the face. * if you added up the numbers in the 4 drawer example you’ll come up short: 47.6 cm instead of 47.8cm. That’s ok because he threw away 0.05 cm (or half a mm), and since that was done for 4 drawers, that’s 2mm accounted for (4*0.5mm) Not criticizing here but clarifying what might seem off to some of us 😊
I think, in that case, you don't have to subtract the height of the all the drawer dividers from the height of the opening before calculating your average drawer height, because there aren't any showing.
In the metric world we never use centimetres for building or woodworking. We use millimetres until we are talking in distances of several metres where we might move to metres. It’s quite bizarre listening to someone talking in centimetres.
I first got comfortable with metric while working as a professional bicycle fitter, using millimeters for anything less than a centimeter, and centimeters for anything shy of a meter, which makes perfect sense if you think about it. That's why I still do it, and why I switched to metric in the first place. I'm really just interested doing things the ways that make the most sense to me and getting used to that.
I agree, first time I've seen centimetres used in my 40 years working. As an engineer we use millimeters. If I saw 1.2 on a drawing it would be 1.2 meters not 12 millimeters.
Architect here, (and furniture maker). Yep, it's millimetres. Centimetres are never used. That's entirely secondary, though, to the fact that our man is using metric. Think of the nonsense involved if this was done in inches!
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Looked this up today to graduate some shelves, thanks.
That's a pretty clever way of getting at it. I think this ends up being the same thing I was taught but you're starting from the center and working out. In the way I was taught you take the average drawer height subtract half of the total thickness of the dividers and you get the size of the first drawer. Then just add divider thickness to each additional drawer. So drawer 2 is 1st drawer + 1 thickness, drawer 3 is 1st drawer + 2 thickness and so on. That way you're only using subtraction once. I think my shop teacher knew that none of us were all that good at math and only trusted us with addition lol.
For drawers without visible dividers, the graded scale method from the Encyclopedia of Furniture Making (p.251) has worked well for me.
I have a whole playlist saved with all the useful tricks I've found for woodworking and other maker stuff I'm interested. Easy to search for what I'm looking for later in most cases. It's a bit more granular than my watchlater which has a ton of stuff randomly in it.
YES, JSMXWLL, thank you. I imagine RC thought it better to explain the process in his own voice, so that he might be better prepared to answer questions they get his viewers. However, I would have explained it your way, because it's my way Lol.
No, seriously, I like to explain things, to novices, in a way that they can confirm by means of established text, so that they always have resources, like the EFM to refer back to. That way if they need to look the info. up at a later date, they can. Or, if they didn't follow my description of the process, they may learn it better by reading it themselves.
I was too lazy to lay it out here, they way i'd learned it, so thank you for doing it and providing the source.
We need more education in YT Wood Work videos. SO, this video title pulled me in. I was glad to see a new creator, who doesn't seem to be just regurgitating tips & tricks, disseminating misinformation, or only out to prove he isn't afraid to make mistakes. This last one seems to be the new hot topic.
I am medically limited & spend a great deal of time watching YT for entertainment and information. I very much appreciate the time & work all of the content creators put into their content.
SO many videos now are makers making avoidable mistakes because they seem to think it's cheating to ask how something should be done. They struggle with tasks, when a search right here on TH-cam could have provided answers. I understand that watching them create with only a few tools, luck and enthusiasm, is entertaining. It gets them views and subscriptions & doesn't bother me.-
That is, until I read a comment from a young person, someone who loved everything about the build, the maker & the channel, and they say they are thinking about WW or carpentry as a trade, or career. Then my stomach hurts.
I am definitely interested in seeing if RC continues to make education part of his channel. If so I will absolutely watch his other videos, share, and subscribe.
It's unfortunate for RC, but So, being smart may not be the smart way to build a YT channel. I mean, if the genius I just watched, right before this video, is any indication smart is the wrong way to get subs. That dude (having mastered woodworking) has now decide 'welding must be easy too', his channel is less than 3 years old & he has over 750 thousand subscribers. More than all of the wood magazine channels & Kreg and Rockler combined (they've got guys like Ernie Conover). That's more subs than Collin K or Jon P. ! Just under Stumpy Nubbs, a channel and magazine that has been giving reliable ww advice on YT for 12 years!
SO Good Luck RC. and jsmxwll, thanks for letting me vent!♿Lisa🛠
Metric just makes sense. Informative video and great visual presentation too.
I derive mine entirely geometrically, by dividing up an arc. The arc is from the bottom corner of the opening-minus-total-divider-height to the mid-point of the top of the opening. Divide it with dividers in to the number of drawers you want. It's as simple as that, with no maths involved. In contrast to other methods, it means that the width of the drawers has an influence on the height.
I hoped this was coming. The golden ratio and graduation are always there when trying to figure out what you want. Drawer number alone requires some time to think about for me. I’ve used a web based calculator to figure out graduations. Less thinking but I have used a compass on the full size drawer panel to draw it out before cutting them apart.
You are so blessed and lucky to work in Metric!
It's an option available to everyone on the planet.
Enjoyed the video. Another less math intensive approach is to use a pair of dividers (I'm channeling my inner Toplin's By Hand and Eye book). Set dividers to thickness of wood horizontal pieces. Then walk off how many you want the bottom to me; go next level and walk off one less divider, and so on. Couuld even use a story board so never need to measure it (including using dividers to mark off the horizontal pieces). You essentially did the same thing.
That's an excellent way to do it. I looked for that method in my library and couldn't find it, so thanks for sharing that. If there's enough people who want to see that in action, I'd be happy to make a video about that method too. I'm much more a fan of doing things with dividers than measuring.
@@themountaintopjoinersshop8422ould love to see it!
@@themountaintopjoinersshop8422 I think it would make a great compliment video to your current one. Plus, you could zing both metric and imperial measuments in the video.
@@themountaintopjoinersshop8422 I wouldn't mind a demo!
@@themountaintopjoinersshop8422 YES, all the demos. Lol
You do beautiful work, Sir. I love your channel and I look forward to seeing your videos. Thank you for sharing your expertise with us all.
Very good rule of thumb. Thank you for sharing this very informative video.
I give you full marks for your very handsome and impressive tool chest!
Greetings from France .
2 lessons here. How to graduate drawers and secondly, how much easier it is to just accept and learn the metric system folks!!!
This is excellent thank you!!
For those of us who are mathematically inclined you may have spotted a couple of small errors in the 4 drawer example but they are of no consequence:
* 11 - 1.2 = 9.8 not 9.2, but 11 + 1.2 = 12.2 not 12.8 so those two errors cancelled each other out when you double check against the height of the face.
* if you added up the numbers in the 4 drawer example you’ll come up short: 47.6 cm instead of 47.8cm. That’s ok because he threw away 0.05 cm (or half a mm), and since that was done for 4 drawers, that’s 2mm accounted for (4*0.5mm)
Not criticizing here but clarifying what might seem off to some of us 😊
Thank you!
thanks
make alot more sense in metric
How would you handle drawers that don’t have visual horizontal dividers, but drawer fronts attached overlay (like a lot of quick shop cabinets) ?
I think, in that case, you don't have to subtract the height of the all the drawer dividers from the height of the opening before calculating your average drawer height, because there aren't any showing.
In the metric world we never use centimetres for building or woodworking. We use millimetres until we are talking in distances of several metres where we might move to metres. It’s quite bizarre listening to someone talking in centimetres.
I first got comfortable with metric while working as a professional bicycle fitter, using millimeters for anything less than a centimeter, and centimeters for anything shy of a meter, which makes perfect sense if you think about it. That's why I still do it, and why I switched to metric in the first place. I'm really just interested doing things the ways that make the most sense to me and getting used to that.
@@themountaintopjoinersshop8422 , You are doing it right, sir!
I agree, first time I've seen centimetres used in my 40 years working. As an engineer we use millimeters. If I saw 1.2 on a drawing it would be 1.2 meters not 12 millimeters.
Architect here, (and furniture maker). Yep, it's millimetres. Centimetres are never used. That's entirely secondary, though, to the fact that our man is using metric. Think of the nonsense involved if this was done in inches!
I love the video but you are killing me with metric.
I have my reasons, and I go over them here: th-cam.com/video/7SFUBBWJURE/w-d-xo.html
That said, thank you for putting up with it.