Technically, this isn’t a cloaking device. It’s a phasing device. They can’t help it if the Romulans or everyone can’t see them while they are in another phase. I feel like the admiral just didn’t do a good job marketing his invention. Lol
If you can play legalese with the language, so can they. I’m sure the treaty language doesn’t just say “cloaking device,” it says something like “any technology which can render physical objects undetectable by visible light or subspace scans,” which WOULD apply to this device.
When I first saw “Die Another Day” and the Aston Martin disappeared I felt like yelling “Hey! You can’t make a cloaking device! THAT’S in direct violation of the Treaty of Algeron! Do you want a War?!”
"Centurion, Federation Starship de-cloaking off the starboard bow!" "Alright lieutenant, raise shields and- Waaaaait a minute. Something's not right here...."
Resistance is futile.......... Whered that come from We shall add your techonological.......... oh wait, u suck, well just wipe you out Huh, wheres that coming from Borg ship phases inside the enterprise and assimilates it and the crew in one phase shift..........
You would think the Borg would of already assimilated cloaking tech from some race. But the queen probably thought, cloak or no cloak, don't matter to us.
@@jojomojojones Riker and the Admiral there had been involved in a phase cloak experiment on the USS Pegasus some 10 years prior. Pegasus was found embedded in an asteroid have decloaked improperly. The admiral insisted on a rescue of the tech. The Romulans blew the entry to the asteroid trapping Enterprise inside. They then used the Phase Cloak to exit through the multi KM thick rock face, and (frankly stupidly) decloaked. YES the truth had to come out, but he is VERY lucky the Enterprise didn't get melted to slag right there and then.
Years later, worf on the USS Defiant acts uncomfortable and states, “I’ve never been on a federation ship with a cloaking device”. Lies Mr. Worf, Filthy lies!
Riker: "Excuse me, Captain, I need to go to the holodeck, play a Maco, press some buttons on the bridge and cook some stuff in the kitchen of the Enterprise NX-01 which we never heard of."
@@mattrogers5188 Wow, really...? All that just to correct a contraction I missed? What about the main post that did not abbreviate M.A.C.O. and did not capitalize Holodeck? Perhaps you can tell me, is a comma needed after NX-01 in the post as well?
Shows you how clever Scotty was. When they stole the cloak device from the Romulans he had it working on the Enterprise in an hour. Before these guys were born!
Odd considering it was stolen tech that wasnt designed for a federation ship, yet the one used here was specifically engineered for a federation ship and they still took much longer to install and use it.
@@LouSaydus The Romulan one may have been simpler. Or the first Enterprise was easier to add modifications like that to. Or any other number of potential reasons, or combination thereof.
I really like that Commander Riker steps forward to take blame on participating in the actions sanctioned by the admiral. Sense of honor and responsibility is what made the Starfleet what it is.
"Mr. Worf, send a message to the Romulans." A few seconds later "Mr. Worf, take the Admiral to the brig" Worf: "You know there are other able-bodied people on this bridge, captain."
Yeah that part was pretty weak. With this type of incident, Picard should have opened a channel and immediately started a dialog, otherwise the Romulans would have opened fire as this violation would have been a declaration of war. But alas, not enough time left in the episode!
LOL, awesome. Except in Commander Keen, enemy sprites like Robo Red from Keen 5 can still see you with No Clipping enabled, and Commander Keen being a platform game, you have to be very careful not to fall through the bottom of the map, which results in instant death. Do Wolfenstein 3D and games using its engine, like Blake Stone: Aliens of Gold, have no clipping? If so, there it might be properly useful as a way of exploring some of the mind-bending mazes contained in some of the levels.
Actually, if I remember right, there was at least once instance in DS9 where this gets brought up in regards to the Federation and Romulans forming an alliance treaty against the Dominion. I believe in recognition of the bigger threat, the Romulans did agree to a limited use of cloaking devices.
The Pegasus is one of my absolute favorite episode’s from TNG series 7. Brilliant story, excellent writing, and superb acting as always. Brilliant, brilliant episode.
@@calderarecords Well, the one that’s considered the best ever TNG episode is always either “The Inner Light” season 5 or the 2 parter from the end of season 3 and the first episode of season 4 called “The best of both worlds”
@@captpicard6894 The Inner Light.. was not an easy watch by any stretch of the imagination. At the risk of sounding pretentious, I have struggled for the last 15 years to attempt to convey a similar situation to our own population but even the Scientific community are intransigent. The constant falling upon deaf ears is dejecting. The parallels are far too closely aligned with our own reality. I shall leave it at that.
Riker felt bad for his part in the conspiracy...he knew the truth and he couldn't tell him. Riker thought it was right to be taken in also knowing he could face the same type of punishment as the admiral did.
I always thought this was mishandled, it wasn't a cloak. They were out of phase with normal matter. This would have been an invaluable scientific research tool.
Most likely, the treaty was worded in such a way that phase-shifting would fall under the umbrella of cloaking. For example: "No space-faring vessel of the United Federation of Planets or its member worlds shall be outfitted with any system or device that would permit the vessel to evade sensor detection..." The Romulans would certainly have known that there were yet-unexplored methods for evading detection that the Federation would explore if they were left any loopholes, and they would have insisted that the treaty was worded accordingly.
@@bloodred255 To be fair, it was season 7 of TNG, so there weren’t too many more episodes to reference it. Also, Admiral Riker’s Enterprise in “All Good Things” had a cloak. That said, it would’ve been real useful during the Dominion War on DS9.
@@zorkmid1083 that's what I always remembered him from. In fact, when I saw him playing the Admiral in this episode, I was like, OMG, it's the stepfather!
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@@colin-campbell No..... the cloak changes the vibrational state of the matter inside the cloaking field which allows the phased matter to pass through the non-phased matter.
I remember watching this and wishing I had another hour of this episode, but devoted to Riker hanging out in the holodeck in some simulation of a past Enterprise, working up his resolve to talk to Picard.
Those who ask why the Federation doesn't have cloaking devices and talk about war miss the entire point of Star Trek completely. Roddenberry introduced the clause preventing the Federation using cloak because he believed the Federation 'doesn't go around doing cloak and dagger stuff'. The whole point of Star Trek, as evidenced by it's impact on civil rights, was to inspire people to take on a greater ideal, NOT for people to invent better ways to wage future war - an issue I take with Deep Space 9, which people argue is 'realistic' but it's only realistic in our present day. The goal of Star Trek is to show inspiration for improving the future. It casted Nichelle Nichols as Uhura as the first main cast black woman, and had one of the first major interracial kisses on scene (which William Shatner, understanding Roddenberry's intent, purposefully messed up the shoot as the TV studio demanded two scenes be shot - one with and one without. Shatner still did the kiss in every take until they got enraged and gave up). Such was Star Trek that Martin Luther King Jr encouraged Nichelle Nichols to not quit the role (which she was planning to do) as even MLKJ understood Roddenberry's intent. So when people ask 'why don't the Federation using cloaking technology', it is in order to inspire our people and our government not to stoop to using underhanded, secretive ways which we despise so much. Think about how much evil is conducted in the shadow of darkness - Guantanamo Bay, civilian deaths in drone strikes in extrajudicial (outside trial) killings, tax evasion, financial rate rigging, cop corruption, to name but a few - a cry to cloak is a cry for underhanded secrecy, and we as a whole race, are better than that.
Anyone who doesn't understand why the Federation doesn't use cloaking technology clearly doesn't have any historical perspective on the suicidal nature of the Cold War arms race, which is what the whole treaty and limitation on Cloaking technology is all about discussing.
I don't know what was Roddenberry thinking, he created a perfect society and surrounded it with hostile factions on all sides. And they are supposed to diplomatically end all conflicts? Impossible, some of this factions don't care about peace or talks, they just want to conquer and enslave other races. Even the Klingon's who become one of the biggest allies of the Federation would continue to fight them if the explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis never happened.
Elandil5 *And they are supposed to diplomatically end all conflicts?* Clearly not, or else they would never be armed, which they always are, and they would never have to go to war, with the history of the Federation is full of. Its not about never going to war, its about never welcoming it when you have alternatives. Most wars that politicians and leaders throughout history have professed were essential and unavoidable were hardly that. Its rare that a war could not have been prevented along the way. Most are welcomed and created deliberately by the powerful. With the Federation being as powerful as any other individual power therefore its not as if they're victims who can be pushed around. They are instead the powerful and they choose to act differently. History shows us that when they want to powerful societies can establish detente and live peacefully. The Cold War proved as much when nuclear arms made the cost of war too great. Somehow diplomacy prevailed every time, often despite the efforts of the pro war hawks. That's the lesson of Star Trek, that diplomacy first and foremost is the best option. Not only that, and arguably more importantly, its the moral option as welcoming war brings bloodshed to everyone and is costly to those who had no say in determining it would happen. If diplomacy were always successful though, again, they wouldn't be armed and be powerful enough militarily to actually make expansionist empires like the Klingons or the Romulans pause and actually respond to diplomacy.
BollocksUtwat And then the Borg arrived, a faction that can't be reasoned with or engage in talks. A faction that send one cube and destroyed a lot of Federation ships and colonies. Which forced Starfleet to militarize or face destruction. Gene envisioned TNG's Starfleet as perfect combination of explorers and peacekeepers but the creators of DS9 showed what would Starfleet and the Federation actually look like.
"Captain, I'll have to be placed under arrest as well." "I know. That's the plan. You're under arrest for aiding and abetting." "If you want to take the Admiral in you're going to have t-WWWWWWWWWWWWWHAT?"
Systems Commonwealth Of course they were. There are hints given by Sloan that the ship he uses to travel to DS9 is cloaked. I wouldn't be surprised if the good Rear Admiral was recruited by 31 while he was still cadet
2:23 I imagine the romulans would have two reactions to a decloaked enterprise, either: Ah-ha! Just as we thought. Or *HOLY SH** HOW IN F*** *DID THEY DO THAT?!?!*
Humans in Star Trek: "Hey you know how we're developing an illegal cloaking device?" "Mm Hmmm?" "... what if we try use it to phase through solid matter?" "Dude, you're slow I made it do that five minutes ago."
"We've routed the impulse engines through the plasma conduits but you're going to have to watch the intercooler levels. If they get too high, we'll blow the entire relay system." Yes, I would like to order the Big Word Salad please.
@Bocaan The Humble Geordi like Scotty could do anything to the enterprise but surprisingly when plot demanded it failed on other ships or the enterprise when she had to be damaged.
@Bocaan The Humble Not next to it, the main impulse engine is well above the warp core. If the main impulse engine were to rupture it would hit the main deuterium tank first, which is just as bad. However, pay attention to what Riker said next. It wouldn't destroy the ship, it would likely either set the ship adrift, or the phase cloak would just fail locking them in rock forever.
3Rayfire to be fair though it has been shown that a mild scrape to the enterprise D’s warp nacelle can cause a power surge that makes the ship spiral out of control and rupture reactor containment causing the ship to explode
@Bocaan The Humble To be fair, an intercooler is actually a real piece of tech sometimes used in engines or nuclear reactors. Basically, if you have ever seen a water radiator, be it on a water cooled engine or a water cooled computer, its basically the same idea of a metal radiator with lots of surface and water flowing on the inside to deliver the thermal energy. An intercooler is basically sticking a radiator into another container with water that in turn will ALSO have a radiator at the end of it (or in case of nuclear reactors a turbine).
To those wondering why they do not use or keep this cloak, there's actually a treaty between the Romulan Empire and the federation, and I am sure everyone knows about the Neutral Zone between them. Part of the Romulan treaty is that no federation ship is ever allowed to manufacture, develop, or use cloaking in any way.
Unless it's the original Defiant, and even then the Romulans only loaned it to the Federation with the proviso that it was supposed to be used solely in the Gamma Quadrant (even though Sisko gave the rules the finger all the time, because he was Sisko and that was how he did things).
It wasn’t even a cloak though. A cloak hides the ship, but this caused the ship to be out of sync, so to speak, with reality so they could move through solid material.
@@QixTheDS The Romulan lawyers would definitely quibble over the semantics since the device had the secondary effect of rendering the ship invisible to sensors and the naked eye, much like a traditional cloaking device does. The Federation might have gotten away with the legality of it, but it still would have meant war because the Romulans would stubbornly refuse to acknowledge there was a difference and view its existence in Federation hands as a threat to the Star Empire.
Pressman as he's being escorted to the brig by Worf: I have a lot of friends at Starfleet Command, Captain! Picard after they enter the turbolift: You're going to need them.
This, combined with the Federation's other weapons and defensive technology would have been a complete galaxy-wide game changer. But treaties signed in good faith should remain in effect. Otherwise the Federation and Starfleet would lose all moral credibility. Imagine though, if Paramount/CBS had done a TNG "mirror universe" story where the Terran Empire uses the phasing cloak at will? I'd watch that...:)
Toolpusher There is a worst of both worlds fanfiction (where the borg defeat the federation and neighbouring factions) where after they discover the phase cloak they implement it into their ship to help evade the borg. Unfortunately thats as far as the fanfic gets as it cuts off not long after.
I got a notion despite his adherence to the Treaty of Algeron and his misgivings about Admiral Pressman and the statements of Riker, Picard was actually impressed with the cloak's ability to "phase" through normal matter. Pressman knew there was more than just the Romulans to deal with if the cloak were to be revealed. The Klingons would have also been aggravated as they also attempted to create a phase cloak as well. However, their cloak was a failure as their research indicated the cloak would only last about 20 or so minutes before damage to their plasma conduits occured. This was also later discovered by Section 31. However, they were able to stabilize their version by heavily reinforcing their plasma conduits thus giving them about 12 hours of cloaking. But, they concluded it could not be done for any tactical length of time on a larger starship. So it was either utilize it on a much smaller scale say a shuttlecraft or runabout which doesn't make much sense as a weapons platform, or as pretty much ALL Alpha Quadrant powers did (Federation/Klingons/Romulans) simply abandon it. Now the information is all non-canon, but what IS canon is that the phase cloak still exists as far as the Picard Series. It was locked up with Data at the Daystrom Facility. With the technology available in Picard's century, and with the Romulans no longer a large power, the Federation can legally pursue the phase cloak and possibly make it work to its promised capabilities. And since the rechristened Titan is now Enterprise G, perfect test bed.
i believe it keeps the peace. its like a promise they will never play an arms race, and its a token gesture of faith, and tangible proof that the federation is not interested in conquest or battle with the Romulans. If Romulans always have that slight advantage, with no threat to that advantage, then they are comfortable with the status quo of peace.
Technically, the Admiral didn't violate the treaty of Algernon since the technology phases one into another dimension as opposed to bending light and other electromagnetic waveforms to become invisible.
It depends on how you look at it. The Romulans could take the position that it made the ship disappear (mechanism being irrelevant) and thus qualifies as a cloak and a violation. also, it would depend on the exact wordage of the treaty which we don't know.
Just occurred to me now: Riker went from ensign to commander in roughly 5-7 years? Crazy. The writers should have said the incident happened 20 years ago, even accounting for a likely super rapid rise in the ranks. Or Pressman should have had a line in the episode mentioning fostering Riker in terms of promotion.
@@simonbas6 This episode is in the series' 7 season! Riker made commander as first officer in Encounter At Farpoint! So ensign to commander in 5-7 years is accurate.
There was a book wayyy back in the day, "Secret of Stardeep" I think... where a ship warps and then materializes inside a planet. It's only found years later, partially intact, by people exploring the planet's caves. Has some things in common with this episode. Always wondered if one of the writers read that as a kid and incorporated some of it. Either way, killer episode.
I really didn't agree with Picard in this episode. There was no need to put his crew in danger by de cloaking in front of the Romulans. He could've left them there for hours and been long gone. THEN he could've sent a message to Romulus.
De-cloaking in front of the Romulans negated any possibility of Pressman or Starfleet command trying to order them to cover it up or classify the incident again.
@doctorwho0077 Except Pressman likely had a lot of political connections, so it's possible he could've had it hushed up. Picard just destroyed the chances of that. I expect, though, that the Fed diplomats had their work cut out for them.
TNG is usually conveniently idealistic in situations like this. When Picard takes the moral high ground it tends to work out for him. He's such a good actor that the universe bends to his will!
Its Picard's way, he is someone who is all about transparency and is willing to go above and beyond to do what he believes is right. He on multiple occasions puts his crew in danger to show he is willing to do deals with honor. On many occasions that is with the Romulans. You do see even if spiteful that the Romulans to show token respect for Picard and that is because of things like this.
I think the Enterprise cloaking and decloaking looks so badass. I think that part in the treaty about the Federation not being able to develop cloaking technology was a mistake. It's not just about evening the odds. Yes it does help keep everyone in check. It can also be used for research and for emergency situations other than offensive or defensive intentions. If the Klingons and romulans have it, then why not?
what about it? the federation doesn't even seem to know about it. only a select few who are tapped and told. the point he made was that is not what the federation is supposed to do. and even if we ignored the obvious flaws of your argument, and assumed that section 31 is legitimate and fully part of the federation government, the laws preventing the use of cloaking and other underhanded trickery/warmongering would be the lip service given to the public for their image.
Phasing an entire ship is not the same thing as a cloaking device. It’s not the Federation’s fault the Romulans didn’t have the equipment to scan for phased ships. That device should not have been a violation of any of the treaties.
The viewscreen is not a "window". There are electronic components behind it and a bulkhead behind that. It is only a glorified monitor which transfers data from the astrometric sensors, navigational deflector, and comm arrays into an image.
When I saw this episode it reminded me of the TOS episode 'The Enterprise Incident' where the Enterprise used a Romulan cloaking device and the Enterprise D became the first Enterprise in over a 100 years to use a cloaking device the only difference this device was of Federation design instead of Romulan design.
Which is why it's never used again.... Not to mention breaks a treaty the Feds have with the Romula........Ooooh, a Star Wars person......What I meant was pew prw pew pew pew pew pew pew.😋😂
I don't disagree with the Admiral's core mission, the Federation SHOULD be allowed to create and use cloaking devices. In the novels, the ban only exists because the Feds are afraid that the Romulans will develop and use planet destroying weapons but chances are that the Romulans are developing them in secret anyways so it's pointless to have the treaty....... What the Admiral and his co-conspirators did wrong was do it in secret and violate Federation law. If they feel so strongly about the Treaty of Algeron sucking, they should have used legal methods to get the Federation to change or abolish the treaty.
Revkor Then why wasn't it used during the Dominion war? Section 31 has agents within the Romulan government (as well as Starfleet security) that keep tabs on the Romulans. What Planet Destroying Weapon? Was it similar to the weapon deployed by the Xindi in ST: Enterprise?
Trent Timoy It may HAVE been used off camera on secret missions or something. It isn't like we were shown everything that goes on during the Dominion War.
ryan macdonald I was thinking the same thing but that weapon alone could've done some considerable damage and given the Fed and its allies a good enough cushion of success.
Actually Starfleet has been portrayed as militaristic in TOS, the series written by Roddenberry. Starfleet is also authorised to conduct exploration and diplomatic missions as one of their primary roles, the most important being defence. The Enterprise for example was stated several times to be a military vessel and also displayed the ability to rival if not outright surpass the combat vessels of other races.
Correct, the cloak was special.. Phase cloak. In the episode, a Federation ship was buried in Solid rock, inside an asteroid. The Admiral was testing it out, but it glitched
You know it could be a great defensive system. An enemy say the Borg shows up at a vulnerable colony or just Earth they activate the Phase Cloak (that's what it's called) and the enemy can shoot all they want but will hit nothing nor find nothing.
I would have considered leaving a photon torpedo inside the asteroid timed to go off after the Enterprise has escaped, making it look like the Enterprise destroyed itself (and the Pegasus) rather than be captured by the Romulans. The discussion of what to do with Pressman and others would be pursued later, once the danger was over and the secret of the phase cloak successfully kept safe. Now would this have made me a good captain or a bad one, and what else could have come of such a decision?
No, they are contained within said phase field. Which is why the ships both remains visible to them, and they stay in contact with the hull of the ship.😂
Thing is with MACO, they were stated to have weapons and tactics 4 years beyond that of Starfleet in 2153, shortly after the return from the expanse it was a standard to have a compliment of MACO's and MACO weaponry on any Starfleet vessel. It's is most likely after the Federation was formed, MACO was fully integrated into Starfleet which kind of explains why they are never mentioned after the 22nd century.
Most of us Gen-X'ers grew up with and very much enjoyed the original Star Trek reruns, so when 'The Next Generation' came around it was a really huge thing for us!! 😊
It was a Classified Prototype to put the ship slightly out of phase, which would allow passing through solid objects. It's intent was to let weapons pass through the ship with harming it.
I don't remember the name of it, but there WAS a TNG episode where cloaking & phasing were more involved. La Forge and some lady were "cloaked and phased." The episode dealt more with character development, but there was some kind of accident, and there was some kind of "decontamination" that uncloaked and unphased them. I also remember Riker kept going on about a eulogy but kept getting interrupted.
So here's a question: The treaty between Romulus and the Federation is that they can't create cloaking devices, right? Or is it that they can't create stealth technology in general? Because what if the Federation ship like the Normandy from Mass Effect, that was able to hide it's heat and energy signature, and was designed to blend in with natural space? Would that be an acceptable loophole the Federation could exploit?
Considering that the technologies of both universes are vastly different.. I would wager the Normandy would not be technically 'cloaked' in the star trek universe. Recall that the heat dispersion and overall design does not actively conceal completely the ship. So someone with just eyes could see it if they looked out a window, and in star trek they could see things with a magnification of ten thousand (as shown in this video: th-cam.com/video/HzyxEcDUSAk/w-d-xo.html) all in all, I feel the Normandy piloted by Joker and Commander Shepard would be in for a rude awakening if they crossed The Enterprise
@@LufiaSinistral Well yes, but the point of the heat dispersion is to hide it from sensors, so Star Trek ships wouldn't know to actively look for it. And if it was camouflaged properly, a dark blue/black with white specs to imitate stars, and it could be hidden very well. Unless I'm missing something
Thanks you for the informative and courteous response. In this case Picard should have kept the "phase cloak" on and shut his moral high ground trap shut for the sake of a significant military, defensive, and scientific technological discovery. Think of it, they would worry less about their Federation Science only vessels that may wander into danger ala, Voyager, and have then use that to get out conflicts without confrontation.
@@andrewshouse9840 Obviously you don't play Civilization. The strongest military society sets the terms of any diplomatic concord. This is true in real life. Diplomacy only works if you have the military might to back it up.
The Admiral's not wrong in this episode. It's utterly insane to sign a treaty that gives your enemy access to an entire class of technology you agree not to have.
Except cloaking systems aren't the advantage they seem to be. They consume a great deal of ship's power, render weapons and shields useless as long as the cloak is active, renders the ship vulnerable while decloaking, and can be defeated by a number of active scanning technologies which Federation R&D has invented, tested, and deployed with considerable effectiveness in the intervening years. The Dominion had effective anti-cloak scanning and penetration technology, and the Defiant's cloaking system wasn't any kind of game-changer in the Dominion War. The Federation found greater advantage in developing and refining anticloak detection and penetration technologies and relying on active defences rather than a stealth system that makes a ship more rather than less vulnerable, and an alert captain suspecting cloaked ships might be in his sector will already have shields up and weapons ready, which diminishes the effectiveness of an ambush. So yes, Admiral Pressman is wrong on a number of levels, one of which is the supposed advantages of cloaking technology which field experience has demonstrated to be a dubious quality. In signing the treaty, the Federation gave up something it could not only live without but also defeat for far less expense and risk involved.
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They might as well as named the Pegasus, The Eldridge. Because what happens in this episode is basically the Star Trek equivalent of the Philadelphia experiment.
Thank you! That is a very good hypothesis on how this Phase Shifting could work within the Star Trek Universe. It makes sense to me, actually. Thanks again!
The way they hooked up that cloaking device, It looks like they're stealing cable.
"It was the only way to make the lights turn on!"
They did the same thing in TOS
The Mets play 150 games on cable this year...
I mean they couldn't make it look nice cause they were in a rush
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Picard: Decloak.
Admiral: Dedecloak.
Picard: Dededecloak.
Data: They appear to be trapped in some kind of temporal loop.
Geordi: No Data, they are just rapping..
Condom: D cloak
Xander Mobius: King Dededecloak
hahahahhahah I've almost pissed my pants
dub de cloak
*warp step intensifies*
Technically, this isn’t a cloaking device. It’s a phasing device. They can’t help it if the Romulans or everyone can’t see them while they are in another phase. I feel like the admiral just didn’t do a good job marketing his invention. Lol
If you can play legalese with the language, so can they. I’m sure the treaty language doesn’t just say “cloaking device,” it says something like “any technology which can render physical objects undetectable by visible light or subspace scans,” which WOULD apply to this device.
A rose by any other name would smell as... invisible...
I actually own one
Goody two shoes Picard should have been a pen pushing bureaucrat.
@@Romulan2469 HMM YES let's just violate a treaty and enter a war which might cost millions of lives because haha goody two shoes
Huge amount of respect for riker in this episode, not hiding at all from what he did at the end
Fair point.
The fact that he steps up on his own to take responsibility for his actions really says alot about his character.
RIKER BLABBED! WELL ST LEAST HE FELT GOOD! GE WAS WRONG!
RIKER WAS A TURD! This isn’t a game it’s real life.
true, however in this episode he also made a terrible series finale for Enterprise
When I first saw “Die Another Day” and the Aston Martin disappeared I felt like yelling “Hey! You can’t make a cloaking device! THAT’S in direct violation of the Treaty of Algeron! Do you want a War?!”
"Centurion, Federation Starship de-cloaking off the starboard bow!"
"Alright lieutenant, raise shields and- Waaaaait a minute. Something's not right here...."
"Federation vessel decloaking... something about what I said doesn't sound right."
"They can't do that! THAT'S OUR THING!"
@@ayanithtalreign (clears throat in Klingon)
@@bluefootwalking correct me if im wrong but the klingons werent the first to get the cloak.
@@ilikelobsters.2376 Romulans got the cloaking tech in TOS Klingons followed shortly after. The UFOP was not allowed to have cloaks due to a treaty
that cloaking device would have been handy against the Borg they should have kept it.
Glenn Kirkness yes, just so we needed, invisible fucking borg!
Resistance is futile..........
Whered that come from
We shall add your techonological.......... oh wait, u suck, well just wipe you out
Huh, wheres that coming from
Borg ship phases inside the enterprise and assimilates it and the crew in one phase shift..........
Quentin Sciascia lololol
You would think the Borg would of already assimilated cloaking tech from some race. But the queen probably thought, cloak or no cloak, don't matter to us.
@@nubsack6142 Probably thought it was inefficient use of power and resources. Or in a more, vein light, why hide perfection?
This is WAY more than just a cloaking device. Phase shifting so that you can pass through matter?
Lol You obviously haven't seen the actual episode and yes your right.
I’m sure I did, but it’s been maybe 20 years since. What happened in the episode?
@@jojomojojones It's not great... Riker spends the majority of the episode on the holodeck with Troi screwing around with the cast of Enterprise.
@@jojomojojones Riker and the Admiral there had been involved in a phase cloak experiment on the USS Pegasus some 10 years prior. Pegasus was found embedded in an asteroid have decloaked improperly. The admiral insisted on a rescue of the tech.
The Romulans blew the entry to the asteroid trapping Enterprise inside. They then used the Phase Cloak to exit through the multi KM thick rock face, and (frankly stupidly) decloaked.
YES the truth had to come out, but he is VERY lucky the Enterprise didn't get melted to slag right there and then.
It's also useful against enemy attacks. They can't damage something that is intangible!
Years later, worf on the USS Defiant acts uncomfortable and states, “I’ve never been on a federation ship with a cloaking device”.
Lies Mr. Worf, Filthy lies!
Which ds9 episode
@@johnmcgowan2348 The Way of the Warrior
Well obviously he lies, he was probably under orders not to speak about this event.
Technically, this is a much different kind of cloak than they were referring to...
@@alexion2001 that and the _Enterprise_ wasn't meant to have one
Riker: "Excuse me, Captain, I need to go to the holodeck, play a Maco, press some buttons on the bridge and cook some stuff in the kitchen of the Enterprise NX-01 which we never heard of."
Picard: You fool, Archer is dead to us. Now keep quiet
Joe Hayes lol 🤣
As much as this comment saddens me, ... its true....
@@Crosis2814
* it's
@@mattrogers5188 Wow, really...? All that just to correct a contraction I missed? What about the main post that did not abbreviate M.A.C.O. and did not capitalize Holodeck? Perhaps you can tell me, is a comma needed after NX-01 in the post as well?
Shows you how clever Scotty was. When they stole the cloak device from the Romulans he had it working on the Enterprise in an hour. Before these guys were born!
Well said.
As Janeway had said; they were a different breed back then
Was that an actual cloaking device, or a phasing device like in this clip?
Odd considering it was stolen tech that wasnt designed for a federation ship, yet the one used here was specifically engineered for a federation ship and they still took much longer to install and use it.
@@LouSaydus The Romulan one may have been simpler. Or the first Enterprise was easier to add modifications like that to. Or any other number of potential reasons, or combination thereof.
I really like that Commander Riker steps forward to take blame on participating in the actions sanctioned by the admiral. Sense of honor and responsibility is what made the Starfleet what it is.
It also prevented it from looking like Picard was going after the Admiral but sparing his first officer.
Reminds of me members of the democrat party 😁
@@Chevroletcelebrityunlike your beloved GOP who pool lawyers and incite violence and coverups?
@@Chevroletcelebrity Nah look at the Clintons and other democrat trash.
@@ChevroletcelebrityI often wonder how bad one’s mental health has to become before thinking like this.
"Mr. Worf, send a message to the Romulans."
A few seconds later
"Mr. Worf, take the Admiral to the brig"
Worf: "You know there are other able-bodied people on this bridge, captain."
Worf: "I'm not your gopher, you little cue ball headed wanker"
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Yeah that part was pretty weak. With this type of incident, Picard should have opened a channel and immediately started a dialog, otherwise the Romulans would have opened fire as this violation would have been a declaration of war. But alas, not enough time left in the episode!
@@benwillis124 I also thought it was a little odd he basically left the exact wording of the message to Worf.
Fine! I'll do it myself! 😂
No Clipping cheat code, Activate!
LOL, awesome. Except in Commander Keen, enemy sprites like Robo Red from Keen 5 can still see you with No Clipping enabled, and Commander Keen being a platform game, you have to be very careful not to fall through the bottom of the map, which results in instant death. Do Wolfenstein 3D and games using its engine, like Blake Stone: Aliens of Gold, have no clipping? If so, there it might be properly useful as a way of exploring some of the mind-bending mazes contained in some of the levels.
IDCLIP
@Tejesh Patel My man... read my mind, I know this by heart. Now, let's put in IDDQD and IDKFA. Oh yeah...
iddqd, idqkfa, idspispopd, iddt, iddt
@@gehteuchnixan69 idclev32
That cloaking device could have saved a lot of lives during the Dominion War.
Not necessarily, it could be rubbish. Maybe it only works if your enemy don't know you have it.
Breaking the treaty and going to war with the romulans would have cost many more.
Actually, if I remember right, there was at least once instance in DS9 where this gets brought up in regards to the Federation and Romulans forming an alliance treaty against the Dominion. I believe in recognition of the bigger threat, the Romulans did agree to a limited use of cloaking devices.
Correcting my own brain fart, duh, the Defiant.
@@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 Not really incorrect - 1 is still a limited number. :)
Why are so many Admirals in Starfleet so willing to break the rules?
wouldn't you? if you had a chance to get the upper hand on anything?
Depends on the rule.
***** Adm Ross was cool...
Am I the only one who thinks that Section 31 was a necessary evil?
Flavius Belisarius
But they could use a better name
The Pegasus is one of my absolute favorite episode’s from TNG series 7. Brilliant story, excellent writing, and superb acting as always. Brilliant, brilliant episode.
yes. I never tire rewatching this episode and Im in my mid 40s now.
Can you recommend any others? Not a TNG fan but would love to see more.
@@calderarecords
Well, the one that’s considered the best ever TNG episode is always either “The Inner Light” season 5 or the 2 parter from the end of season 3 and the first episode of season 4 called “The best of both worlds”
@@captpicard6894 Thanks. Am downloading now 😉
@@captpicard6894 The Inner Light.. was not an easy watch by any stretch of the imagination. At the risk of sounding pretentious, I have struggled for the last 15 years to attempt to convey a similar situation to our own population but even the Scientific community are intransigent. The constant falling upon deaf ears is dejecting. The parallels are far too closely aligned with our own reality. I shall leave it at that.
Best friend: I’ll have to be placed under arrest as well.
Picard: make it so.
But in the ending scene, he gets Riker out of the brig!
Riker felt bad for his part in the conspiracy...he knew the truth and he couldn't tell him. Riker thought it was right to be taken in also knowing he could face the same type of punishment as the admiral did.
I always thought this was mishandled, it wasn't a cloak. They were out of phase with normal matter. This would have been an invaluable scientific research tool.
one of those invaluable things that exist for one episode then get forgotten about
Depends on the exact wording on the treaty and how they define a cloak.
Most likely, the treaty was worded in such a way that phase-shifting would fall under the umbrella of cloaking. For example: "No space-faring vessel of the United Federation of Planets or its member worlds shall be outfitted with any system or device that would permit the vessel to evade sensor detection..."
The Romulans would certainly have known that there were yet-unexplored methods for evading detection that the Federation would explore if they were left any loopholes, and they would have insisted that the treaty was worded accordingly.
That Admiral and Section 31, most likely, broke the Treaty and it needed to be exposed. Picard is the only Captain that seems to have morals.
@@bloodred255 To be fair, it was season 7 of TNG, so there weren’t too many more episodes to reference it. Also, Admiral Riker’s Enterprise in “All Good Things” had a cloak.
That said, it would’ve been real useful during the Dominion War on DS9.
The admiral is John Lock from Lost!! I knew I saw his face from somewhere!!!
I remember him from the show Millennium 1996-1999
He also played Howard Hughes in The Rocketeer (1991)
Was he in the TV show Major Dad too.
He was also in the slasher flick, "The Stepfather".
@@zorkmid1083 that's what I always remembered him from. In fact, when I saw him playing the Admiral in this episode, I was like, OMG, it's the stepfather!
The Enterprise de-cloaking looks so badass :3
hmm.. an attractive aspiring female gamer who thinks a cloaked enterprise is cool. You don't see that every day ^.^
Johnny Five what the fuck is wrong with you?! i wasn't trying to pick up anybody. I was making an honest comment. Not that you'd know anything about honesty....
Johnny Marvéll You had to click on her profile to even know that she was a gamer in the first place. Sounds to me like you were trying to pick her up... in a very stalker-ish way...
Johnny Marvéll Alright, listen here kid, I did not once insult you and here you are cursing your brains out, trying to play up your little "tough guy" facade. First of all, I'm from the U.S., not some backwater, dirt-poor, riot everytime there's a soccer game, country. Second of all, "get a life"? You're really going to tell that to me when you responded to my comment at 2:51 AM? Lastly, you have no idea what a passive-aggressive statement is, let alone whether someone is using one or not. Bottomline: you're an insecure little bitch who thinks that telling someone to fuck off over the internet makes you somehow a hard-ass. Go watch your anime porn and die peeing on yourself.
One girl liking Star Trek caused this...@_@
Captain
"Disengage the cloaking device commander"
Admiral
"Belay that"
Captain
"Belay that 'belay that' "
Surely when the ship phases, everyone falls through the floor?
@@colin-campbell The people are considered part of the ship, they phase too.
@@aliensinnoh1 Wouldn't their blood fall through their skin?
@@colin-campbell No..... the cloak changes the vibrational state of the matter inside the cloaking field which allows the phased matter to pass through the non-phased matter.
@@colin-campbell No, because "magic"
I remember watching this and wishing I had another hour of this episode, but devoted to Riker hanging out in the holodeck in some simulation of a past Enterprise, working up his resolve to talk to Picard.
Well, you've got it now. Enterprise season 4 finale is exactly that.
@@joda8737 WHOOSH
I see what you did there
To hear mention of ‘These are the Voyages…’ both makes me grin and cringe.
Off to Rura penthe with you!
This was one of my favorite episodes, and it shows major character growth on Riker's part.
Those who ask why the Federation doesn't have cloaking devices and talk about war miss the entire point of Star Trek completely.
Roddenberry introduced the clause preventing the Federation using cloak because he believed the Federation 'doesn't go around doing cloak and dagger stuff'. The whole point of Star Trek, as evidenced by it's impact on civil rights, was to inspire people to take on a greater ideal, NOT for people to invent better ways to wage future war - an issue I take with Deep Space 9, which people argue is 'realistic' but it's only realistic in our present day.
The goal of Star Trek is to show inspiration for improving the future. It casted Nichelle Nichols as Uhura as the first main cast black woman, and had one of the first major interracial kisses on scene (which William Shatner, understanding Roddenberry's intent, purposefully messed up the shoot as the TV studio demanded two scenes be shot - one with and one without. Shatner still did the kiss in every take until they got enraged and gave up).
Such was Star Trek that Martin Luther King Jr encouraged Nichelle Nichols to not quit the role (which she was planning to do) as even MLKJ understood Roddenberry's intent.
So when people ask 'why don't the Federation using cloaking technology', it is in order to inspire our people and our government not to stoop to using underhanded, secretive ways which we despise so much. Think about how much evil is conducted in the shadow of darkness - Guantanamo Bay, civilian deaths in drone strikes in extrajudicial (outside trial) killings, tax evasion, financial rate rigging, cop corruption, to name but a few - a cry to cloak is a cry for underhanded secrecy, and we as a whole race, are better than that.
Yes! Right on the money! Thank you for this, hope more people see this comment.
Anyone who doesn't understand why the Federation doesn't use cloaking technology clearly doesn't have any historical perspective on the suicidal nature of the Cold War arms race, which is what the whole treaty and limitation on Cloaking technology is all about discussing.
I don't know what was Roddenberry thinking, he created a perfect society and surrounded it with hostile factions on all sides. And they are supposed to diplomatically end all conflicts? Impossible, some of this factions don't care about peace or talks, they just want to conquer and enslave other races. Even the Klingon's who become one of the biggest allies of the Federation would continue to fight them if the explosion of the Klingon moon Praxis never happened.
Elandil5
*And they are supposed to diplomatically end all conflicts?*
Clearly not, or else they would never be armed, which they always are, and they would never have to go to war, with the history of the Federation is full of.
Its not about never going to war, its about never welcoming it when you have alternatives. Most wars that politicians and leaders throughout history have professed were essential and unavoidable were hardly that. Its rare that a war could not have been prevented along the way.
Most are welcomed and created deliberately by the powerful. With the Federation being as powerful as any other individual power therefore its not as if they're victims who can be pushed around. They are instead the powerful and they choose to act differently.
History shows us that when they want to powerful societies can establish detente and live peacefully. The Cold War proved as much when nuclear arms made the cost of war too great. Somehow diplomacy prevailed every time, often despite the efforts of the pro war hawks.
That's the lesson of Star Trek, that diplomacy first and foremost is the best option. Not only that, and arguably more importantly, its the moral option as welcoming war brings bloodshed to everyone and is costly to those who had no say in determining it would happen. If diplomacy were always successful though, again, they wouldn't be armed and be powerful enough militarily to actually make expansionist empires like the Klingons or the Romulans pause and actually respond to diplomacy.
BollocksUtwat And then the Borg arrived, a faction that can't be reasoned with or engage in talks. A faction that send one cube and destroyed a lot of Federation ships and colonies. Which forced Starfleet to militarize or face destruction. Gene envisioned TNG's Starfleet as perfect combination of explorers and peacekeepers but the creators of DS9 showed what would Starfleet and the Federation actually look like.
For those wondering the episode is The Pegasus E07S12
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One of my favourites! I also love the "Captain Picard Day" scene at the beginning.
Hate uploaders of movie/TV clips doesn't include episode numbers
This is one of my favorite episodes of TNG. Great stuff! I wish the Enterprise would have kept the cloak for *** emergencies only ***!
Sort of like emergency saucer separation, which only happened like, I think, three times in the entire run of the series.
Unfortunately, they couldn't, due to it being illegal.
I wonder what did they do with the device after telling the Romulan government about this "incident". Hopefully they got to keep it somewhere safe.
"We've routed the impulse engines through the plasma conduits ..." I do that to my car all the time! ^_^
Aka turning off the aircon for maximum warp boost 🤣
"Captain, I'll have to be placed under arrest as well."
"I know. That's the plan. You're under arrest for aiding and abetting."
"If you want to take the Admiral in you're going to have t-WWWWWWWWWWWWWHAT?"
The Admiral was probably thinking, "What about Riker, bro? He helped me, man! Get him, too!"
Worf: We will reach the rock face in-
*bang crash twang wallop*
Worf: I probably should have said that earlier...
Why was Worf piloting the ship? What was the helmsman doing at that point?
@@Thurgosh_OG Probably sh***ing themselves in fear.
It is interesting though how there's no long shot of the bridge during that sequence.
"Worf you stupid fuck, you didn't turn the cloak on"
while section 31 was never mentioned in TNG, i bet it was still there....
Rtj
Systems Commonwealth Of course they were. There are hints given by Sloan that the ship he uses to travel to DS9 is cloaked. I wouldn't be surprised if the good Rear Admiral was recruited by 31 while he was still cadet
Ro Laren apparently knew Section 31 agents during her "Advanced Tactical Training" trip away from Enterprise-D.
No it wasn't section 31 is just a stupid retcon formulated by inferior Star Trek series than TNG
@@Pythoner Ds9 is better then TNG
0:58 - The moment that scene first aired... thousands of trekkies jizzed in their pants. XD
...Except that Kirk did the exact same thing almost twenty years earlier.
that was in a bird of prey, wasn't it?
Yep, in _The Original Series_ episode, "The Enterprise Incident".
that and when the first time they saw seven of nice arse!!!!
Actually, I lactated in my undershirt ...
2:23 I imagine the romulans would have two reactions to a decloaked enterprise, either:
Ah-ha! Just as we thought.
Or
*HOLY SH** HOW IN F*** *DID THEY DO THAT?!?!*
Humans in Star Trek: "Hey you know how we're developing an illegal cloaking device?"
"Mm Hmmm?"
"... what if we try use it to phase through solid matter?"
"Dude, you're slow I made it do that five minutes ago."
So essentially they no clipped their way out.
This was a damn good episode.
"We've routed the impulse engines through the plasma conduits but you're going to have to watch the intercooler levels. If they get too high, we'll blow the entire relay system."
Yes, I would like to order the Big Word Salad please.
xjohnny1000 It was Riker’s response that made me laugh: “Understood.”
@Bocaan The Humble Geordi like Scotty could do anything to the enterprise but surprisingly when plot demanded it failed on other ships or the enterprise when she had to be damaged.
@Bocaan The Humble Not next to it, the main impulse engine is well above the warp core. If the main impulse engine were to rupture it would hit the main deuterium tank first, which is just as bad.
However, pay attention to what Riker said next. It wouldn't destroy the ship, it would likely either set the ship adrift, or the phase cloak would just fail locking them in rock forever.
3Rayfire to be fair though it has been shown that a mild scrape to the enterprise D’s warp nacelle can cause a power surge that makes the ship spiral out of control and rupture reactor containment causing the ship to explode
@Bocaan The Humble To be fair, an intercooler is actually a real piece of tech sometimes used in engines or nuclear reactors. Basically, if you have ever seen a water radiator, be it on a water cooled engine or a water cooled computer, its basically the same idea of a metal radiator with lots of surface and water flowing on the inside to deliver the thermal energy. An intercooler is basically sticking a radiator into another container with water that in turn will ALSO have a radiator at the end of it (or in case of nuclear reactors a turbine).
Good way to get out of work for the day. "Captain, you'll have to place me under arrest as well"
One of my socks has a cloaking device. I haven't seen it in years.
@J. Garratt , it’s still on your foot!
Try looking behind or under the dryer/washing machine and in between the wall or in between the washer and dryer. They like to hide there.
Check where you store the plastic food containers as they usually decloak into lids!
It might have re-materialized behind the dryer
It drifted through your house in a phased state ...
To those wondering why they do not use or keep this cloak, there's actually a treaty between the Romulan Empire and the federation, and I am sure everyone knows about the Neutral Zone between them. Part of the Romulan treaty is that no federation ship is ever allowed to manufacture, develop, or use cloaking in any way.
Unless it's the original Defiant, and even then the Romulans only loaned it to the Federation with the proviso that it was supposed to be used solely in the Gamma Quadrant (even though Sisko gave the rules the finger all the time, because he was Sisko and that was how he did things).
This was explained in detail on this episode.
It wasn’t even a cloak though. A cloak hides the ship, but this caused the ship to be out of sync, so to speak, with reality so they could move through solid material.
@@QixTheDS The Romulan lawyers would definitely quibble over the semantics since the device had the secondary effect of rendering the ship invisible to sensors and the naked eye, much like a traditional cloaking device does. The Federation might have gotten away with the legality of it, but it still would have meant war because the Romulans would stubbornly refuse to acknowledge there was a difference and view its existence in Federation hands as a threat to the Star Empire.
@Michael White It's a stupid agreement. It's like the US agreeing not to stockpile nukes while the Russians can. Weakness invites aggression...
2:18
Romulans would be totally shitting themselves at losing the one edge they have.
2:18
"Mr Worf send a message to the Romulans and take the Admiral to his quarters. Simultaneously."
Worf knows how to multi-task :P
Worf is a commanding officer and knows to delegate when needed.
Section 31 must have that technology? perhaps over 100 ships?
Pressman as he's being escorted to the brig by Worf: I have a lot of friends at Starfleet Command, Captain!
Picard after they enter the turbolift: You're going to need them.
He's not Janos Slynt
This, combined with the Federation's other weapons and defensive technology would have been a complete galaxy-wide game changer. But treaties signed in good faith should remain in effect. Otherwise the Federation and Starfleet would lose all moral credibility. Imagine though, if Paramount/CBS had done a TNG "mirror universe" story where the Terran Empire uses the phasing cloak at will? I'd watch that...:)
Toolpusher
There is a worst of both worlds fanfiction (where the borg defeat the federation and neighbouring factions) where after they discover the phase cloak they implement it into their ship to help evade the borg. Unfortunately thats as far as the fanfic gets as it cuts off not long after.
Toolpusher Empress Sato approves.
Well Enterprise showed that the Terran Empire had normal cloaking devices in Archer's time.
I got a notion despite his adherence to the Treaty of Algeron and his misgivings about Admiral Pressman and the statements of Riker, Picard was actually impressed with the cloak's ability to "phase" through normal matter. Pressman knew there was more than just the Romulans to deal with if the cloak were to be revealed. The Klingons would have also been aggravated as they also attempted to create a phase cloak as well. However, their cloak was a failure as their research indicated the cloak would only last about 20 or so minutes before damage to their plasma conduits occured. This was also later discovered by Section 31. However, they were able to stabilize their version by heavily reinforcing their plasma conduits thus giving them about 12 hours of cloaking. But, they concluded it could not be done for any tactical length of time on a larger starship. So it was either utilize it on a much smaller scale say a shuttlecraft or runabout which doesn't make much sense as a weapons platform, or as pretty much ALL Alpha Quadrant powers did (Federation/Klingons/Romulans) simply abandon it.
Now the information is all non-canon, but what IS canon is that the phase cloak still exists as far as the Picard Series. It was locked up with Data at the Daystrom Facility. With the technology available in Picard's century, and with the Romulans no longer a large power, the Federation can legally pursue the phase cloak and possibly make it work to its promised capabilities. And since the rechristened Titan is now Enterprise G, perfect test bed.
i believe it keeps the peace. its like a promise they will never play an arms race, and its a token gesture of faith, and tangible proof that the federation is not interested in conquest or battle with the Romulans. If Romulans always have that slight advantage, with no threat to that advantage, then they are comfortable with the status quo of peace.
Technically, the Admiral didn't violate the treaty of Algernon since the technology phases one into another dimension as opposed to bending light and other electromagnetic waveforms to become invisible.
It depends on how you look at it. The Romulans could take the position that it made the ship disappear (mechanism being irrelevant) and thus qualifies as a cloak and a violation. also, it would depend on the exact wordage of the treaty which we don't know.
0:12 - Me when I explain how to use my toaster to house guests.
😂
The Pegasus....as this episode is called, is one of the best of TNG. Seeing the Enterprise cloak and decloak was pretty cool at the time.
Don't forget the series finale... Alt Enterprise-D Battlecruiser
I wish my car had a cloaking device. Boy, would that solve a lot of problems!
Yea but I assume your car would fall to the center of the earth
Your car's battery would be drained the second you turned it on, though.
TheMikeX74 A Model S, Leaf, Volt, etc ought to sustain it for a little while
Scott Prazak ii
but it would drastically increase the chance of colisions "oops, didnt see you there"
Just occurred to me now: Riker went from ensign to commander in roughly 5-7 years? Crazy. The writers should have said the incident happened 20 years ago, even accounting for a likely super rapid rise in the ranks. Or Pressman should have had a line in the episode mentioning fostering Riker in terms of promotion.
12 years. The Pheonix incident is stated as being 12 years ago
@@simonbas6 This episode is in the series' 7 season! Riker made commander as first officer in Encounter At Farpoint! So ensign to commander in 5-7 years is accurate.
There was a book wayyy back in the day, "Secret of Stardeep" I think... where a ship warps and then materializes inside a planet. It's only found years later, partially intact, by people exploring the planet's caves. Has some things in common with this episode. Always wondered if one of the writers read that as a kid and incorporated some of it. Either way, killer episode.
given how star trek has stolen ideas (looking at you discover/ds9) i would say yes
Riker was such a stand up guy... even when sitting down.
Mr Worf surely was quick with that message
Evil will always triumph over good because good doesn't have a cloaking device!
I really didn't agree with Picard in this episode. There was no need to put his crew in danger by de cloaking in front of the Romulans. He could've left them there for hours and been long gone. THEN he could've sent a message to Romulus.
The clock was unstabvle, it coudn't be on indefinitely, while tehj warbird wcould be there on patrol forever.
De-cloaking in front of the Romulans negated any possibility of Pressman or Starfleet command trying to order them to cover it up or classify the incident again.
@doctorwho0077 Except Pressman likely had a lot of political connections, so it's possible he could've had it hushed up. Picard just destroyed the chances of that.
I expect, though, that the Fed diplomats had their work cut out for them.
TNG is usually conveniently idealistic in situations like this. When Picard takes the moral high ground it tends to work out for him. He's such a good actor that the universe bends to his will!
Its Picard's way, he is someone who is all about transparency and is willing to go above and beyond to do what he believes is right. He on multiple occasions puts his crew in danger to show he is willing to do deals with honor. On many occasions that is with the Romulans. You do see even if spiteful that the Romulans to show token respect for Picard and that is because of things like this.
I never knew that cloaking meant you can go through objects. I always thought it just made you disappear invisible but you're still there.
David Edwards not just a cloaking device. Watch Pegasus episode
@@EPagaduan thank you, I will.👌🏽
Normal cloaking devices don’t allow you to pass through objects. This is a different type of cloaking device though
@@4mobius280 Good morning thanks
I think the Enterprise cloaking and decloaking looks so badass. I think that part in the treaty about the Federation not being able to develop cloaking technology was a mistake. It's not just about evening the odds. Yes it does help keep everyone in check. It can also be used for research and for emergency situations other than offensive or defensive intentions. If the Klingons and romulans have it, then why not?
2:18 I wonder what went through the head of the Romulan captain on the Warbird when the Enterprise decloaked.
That treaty was a mistake. Billions lost to the Borg and dominion wars while sitting on tech like this.
The cloaking device looks similar to a shield generator used in Voyager season 5.
It is from Voyager. Janeway brought it back to the enterprise in Season 8, which nobody saw, because it was cloaked.
@TheUnderdog: The Federation doesn't go around doing cloak & dagger stuff. Are you sure about that? What about section thirty one...
what about it? the federation doesn't even seem to know about it. only a select few who are tapped and told.
the point he made was that is not what the federation is supposed to do. and even if we ignored the obvious flaws of your argument, and assumed that section 31 is legitimate and fully part of the federation government, the laws preventing the use of cloaking and other underhanded trickery/warmongering would be the lip service given to the public for their image.
The Enterprise cloaking and decloaking scenes give me chills.
Hey, it's John Locke. In Space. And he even can walk!
Dont tell me what I cant do
Phasing an entire ship is not the same thing as a cloaking device. It’s not the Federation’s fault the Romulans didn’t have the equipment to scan for phased ships. That device should not have been a violation of any of the treaties.
I am glad this video made it I have tried posting more but CBS blocked me lol. Screw copyright protection. Thanks for your support guys.
1 of my favorite scenes from the TNG
The Treaty of Algeron must've bee negotiated by Teresa May.
The viewscreen is not a "window". There are electronic components behind it and a bulkhead behind that. It is only a glorified monitor which transfers data from the astrometric sensors, navigational deflector, and comm arrays into an image.
When I saw this episode it reminded me of the TOS episode 'The Enterprise Incident' where the Enterprise used a Romulan cloaking device and the Enterprise D became the first Enterprise in over a 100 years to use a cloaking device the only difference this device was of Federation design instead of Romulan design.
not cloaked, *phased*
Phase cloak.
Did you not watch the clip???? We clearly see the Big E cloak, and uncloak and phase through the rock!!! This is a phased cloaking device...
Kinda like Kennedy's shipping bloackade against the Soviets being called a 'quarantine'. One is a declaration of war, one is not.
Cloaked by phase shift.
Now imagine what you can do as a person.
It's both. It probably could also do either function alone.
This is exactly the kind of tech that completely breaks a universe
Which is why it's never used again.... Not to mention breaks a treaty the Feds have with the Romula........Ooooh, a Star Wars person......What I meant was pew prw pew pew pew pew pew pew.😋😂
I don't disagree with the Admiral's core mission, the Federation SHOULD be allowed to create and use cloaking devices. In the novels, the ban only exists because the Feds are afraid that the Romulans will develop and use planet destroying weapons but chances are that the Romulans are developing them in secret anyways so it's pointless to have the treaty.......
What the Admiral and his co-conspirators did wrong was do it in secret and violate Federation law. If they feel so strongly about the Treaty of Algeron sucking, they should have used legal methods to get the Federation to change or abolish the treaty.
the key is the federation prefers peace above all else. But you can bet that phase cloak is stashed away ready if the treaty becomes void.
Revkor Then why wasn't it used during the Dominion war? Section 31 has agents within the Romulan government (as well as Starfleet security) that keep tabs on the Romulans. What Planet Destroying Weapon? Was it similar to the weapon deployed by the Xindi in ST: Enterprise?
Trent Timoy It may HAVE been used off camera on secret missions or something. It isn't like we were shown everything that goes on during the Dominion War.
ryan macdonald I was thinking the same thing but that weapon alone could've done some considerable damage and given the Fed and its allies a good enough cushion of success.
Trent Timoy The Romulans did possess thalaron generators used as a biogenic weapon as seen in Star Trek Nemesis.
Actually Starfleet has been portrayed as militaristic in TOS, the series written by Roddenberry. Starfleet is also authorised to conduct exploration and diplomatic missions as one of their primary roles, the most important being defence. The Enterprise for example was stated several times to be a military vessel and also displayed the ability to rival if not outright surpass the combat vessels of other races.
In TOS, sure. In TNG, Picard routinely states that Starfleet is not a military.
I always assumed cloaking was just making the ship see through but physically still there
You assumed correctly. The cloaking device advertised in this episode was special.
Correct, the cloak was special.. Phase cloak. In the episode, a Federation ship was buried in Solid rock, inside an asteroid.
The Admiral was testing it out, but it glitched
You know it could be a great defensive system. An enemy say the Borg shows up at a vulnerable colony or just Earth they activate the Phase Cloak (that's what it's called) and the enemy can shoot all they want but will hit nothing nor find nothing.
The Borg would have been able to detect the phase shift as it was happening.
U CAN PHASE A BONER INTO ALMOST ANYTHING
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The romulans activated the WTF device.
I would have considered leaving a photon torpedo inside the asteroid timed to go off after the Enterprise has escaped, making it look like the Enterprise destroyed itself (and the Pegasus) rather than be captured by the Romulans. The discussion of what to do with Pressman and others would be pursued later, once the danger was over and the secret of the phase cloak successfully kept safe. Now would this have made me a good captain or a bad one, and what else could have come of such a decision?
A photo torpedo? What does it do, take selfies of the target? 😅
@@houseofno Corrected! Thank you for that. It's been 3 years and no one saw that until now. 11 minutes ago.
You could have been promoted to a desk job on Proxima Centauri B. With the rank of one-pip admiral.
Super cool. Even more amazing while phased cameras work and sensors so you can still see and know what's around you.
They were very calm when passing through TONS of rock.
Imagine if this accidentally got assimilated by the borg...
If someone on board jumped up the moment the ship phase shifts, would he fall to through the now cloaked Enterprise?
No, they are contained within said phase field. Which is why the ships both remains visible to them, and they stay in contact with the hull of the ship.😂
I keep having inter cooler issues.
Snap😉.
So do I, Joel, so do I.
My cloak has been having issues as well.
Thing is with MACO, they were stated to have weapons and tactics 4 years beyond that of Starfleet in 2153, shortly after the return from the expanse it was a standard to have a compliment of MACO's and MACO weaponry on any Starfleet vessel. It's is most likely after the Federation was formed, MACO was fully integrated into Starfleet which kind of explains why they are never mentioned after the 22nd century.
Most of us Gen-X'ers grew up with and very much enjoyed the original Star Trek reruns, so when 'The Next Generation' came around it was a really huge thing for us!! 😊
It was a Classified Prototype to put the ship slightly out of phase, which would allow passing through solid objects. It's intent was to let weapons pass through the ship with harming it.
I don't remember the name of it, but there WAS a TNG episode where cloaking & phasing were more involved. La Forge and some lady were "cloaked and phased." The episode dealt more with character development, but there was some kind of accident, and there was some kind of "decontamination" that uncloaked and unphased them. I also remember Riker kept going on about a eulogy but kept getting interrupted.
Ensign Ro and Geordie get phase problems from tge transporter use.
Season 5 episode "The Next Phase"
2 min 56 secs which are better than 2 entire seasons of Discovery.
The Federation, and men like Picard, were so fearful of conflict that they were willing to give away any advantage to an aggressive adversary.
The interesting thing about this episode is that later in DS9 Worf said he’d never been on Federation ship with a cloaking device.
So here's a question:
The treaty between Romulus and the Federation is that they can't create cloaking devices, right? Or is it that they can't create stealth technology in general? Because what if the Federation ship like the Normandy from Mass Effect, that was able to hide it's heat and energy signature, and was designed to blend in with natural space? Would that be an acceptable loophole the Federation could exploit?
Considering that the technologies of both universes are vastly different.. I would wager the Normandy would not be technically 'cloaked' in the star trek universe. Recall that the heat dispersion and overall design does not actively conceal completely the ship. So someone with just eyes could see it if they looked out a window, and in star trek they could see things with a magnification of ten thousand (as shown in this video: th-cam.com/video/HzyxEcDUSAk/w-d-xo.html) all in all, I feel the Normandy piloted by Joker and Commander Shepard would be in for a rude awakening if they crossed The Enterprise
@@LufiaSinistral Well yes, but the point of the heat dispersion is to hide it from sensors, so Star Trek ships wouldn't know to actively look for it. And if it was camouflaged properly, a dark blue/black with white specs to imitate stars, and it could be hidden very well.
Unless I'm missing something
No. Stealth is hiding from sensors...not just your eyes.
Isn't the ENT final, you know, the holodeck scenes, placed during this episode?
yes
should've brought Terry O'Quinn back
Thanks you for the informative and courteous response. In this case Picard should have kept the "phase cloak" on and shut his moral high ground trap shut for the sake of a significant military, defensive, and scientific technological discovery. Think of it, they would worry less about their Federation Science only vessels that may wander into danger ala, Voyager, and have then use that to get out conflicts without confrontation.
Picard has morals and humans in the future keep their word
At the cost of any level of trust ever in any future diplomatic function if anyone ever found out - which they would.
@@andrewshouse9840 Obviously you don't play Civilization. The strongest military society sets the terms of any diplomatic concord. This is true in real life. Diplomacy only works if you have the military might to back it up.
The Admiral's not wrong in this episode. It's utterly insane to sign a treaty that gives your enemy access to an entire class of technology you agree not to have.
It's better than war.
Realistically a treaty like this would never last
Except cloaking systems aren't the advantage they seem to be. They consume a great deal of ship's power, render weapons and shields useless as long as the cloak is active, renders the ship vulnerable while decloaking, and can be defeated by a number of active scanning technologies which Federation R&D has invented, tested, and deployed with considerable effectiveness in the intervening years. The Dominion had effective anti-cloak scanning and penetration technology, and the Defiant's cloaking system wasn't any kind of game-changer in the Dominion War. The Federation found greater advantage in developing and refining anticloak detection and penetration technologies and relying on active defences rather than a stealth system that makes a ship more rather than less vulnerable, and an alert captain suspecting cloaked ships might be in his sector will already have shields up and weapons ready, which diminishes the effectiveness of an ambush. So yes, Admiral Pressman is wrong on a number of levels, one of which is the supposed advantages of cloaking technology which field experience has demonstrated to be a dubious quality. In signing the treaty, the Federation gave up something it could not only live without but also defeat for far less expense and risk involved.
If the treaty prevents war, it is valuable.
theres a device used at some hospitals called the B3000 Comunicator badge made by a company called Vocera, its about as close as you can get to the startrek smack badge. its already in use at many hospitals and even elderly care homes. youll find them on google.
i saw this episode airing when i was 9, it was my favourite episode of tng then and still is
The treaty of Algeron must had changed for the alternative future time line in "All Good Things" ?
the treaty is soley with the Romulans and in AGT the Empire didn't exist so treaty null and void.
The Klingons conquered them if I remember correctly
"Don't tell me what I can not do!"
Not technically a cloaking device as is made apparent watching said episode.
Its more like they phase out of our physical and visual spectrum.
Slyguy threeonetwonine true but.. thats a technicality. the ship dissapears, thats what counts i suspect :)
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But the IMPLICATIONS!!!!1111111
They might as well as named the Pegasus, The Eldridge.
Because what happens in this episode is basically the Star Trek equivalent of the Philadelphia experiment.
The "Pegasus", one of my favorite SNG episodes! Excellent!
Thank you! That is a very good hypothesis on how this Phase Shifting could work within the Star Trek Universe. It makes sense to me, actually. Thanks again!