Something that will really impact warrior dps is how fast each cycle is, with only 10 weeks in MC and 12 in the other raids there will not be close to as many people walking around in full bis. Warriors will still be top dps but I think rogues that go for rr14 for the gm dagger will have a better time trying to keep up, being able to use deadly poison makes quite a lot of difference.
The guy saying he's top 5 dmg on boomkin is a guild leader who takes all the caster gear, makes all the priests PI him, and all the druids innervate him.
The no buff/debuff limit is the reason im so excited to play druid this time around. Hopefully warlock is fun with that change too. Its always been my fav type of alt because of how different the tool it is from druid.
Yep. was tempted before. But dual spec definitely locks in that ill be jumping back in yet again. I love playing my holy pally. But being able to properly farm on off nights without wasting hundreds of gold a week will be very nice.
One small modification if I may. Shaman is 5 stars for pve and pvp objectively : -restoration shaman is THE most demanded spec in pve on the horde side, there's a good reason for that. -Ele/resto shaman (30/0/21) is an absolute monster of a spec in group pvp : with the proper gear you can literally global an entire group of people. You have interrupt, purge, grounding totem, anti fear, good healing, windfury totem : so basically awesome utility, good healing, and enormous burst damage. It's a very, very scary spec. Otherwise I agree ;-)
@valaquenta220 So accurate and why I stopped watching the rest of this guide. Shaman is a super class to play in vanilla. Its BS, he doesn't know much about vanilla/era or played it to the fullest like some. I dont think he was just wrong about Shaman either. Bad guide.
Its strong no doubt. Has major weaknesses though. Its a turret so can't do much under pressure. You won't be globalling a team without Elemental Mastery, which is a 3 min cooldown and means you can't take Nature's Swiftness. Good luck getting the gear for it btw - and a lot of it is cloth so there goes your survivability. All damage and healing is nature, so counterspell or silence ruins its day. Grounding and Windfury are both air totems - you can twist them but that takes a lot of mana. Tremor Totem only does its job 50% of the time and has to be precast if you are the fear target. Chain Heal is insane, but its basically all you do in a raid. That and getting yelled at by the warriors if your Windfury isn't down for one millisecond. In Classic they had addons that would spam you if they attacked without Windfury lol.
@@cecilofs Gearing as an ele shaman is actually very easy, been there done that. It's just that it mostly becomes a monster when aq40 comes out, before that it's just "quite good" but not op. Still tons of fun. I 100% agree with it having obvious weaknesses, but thank god it does. Imagine if this thing had tons of cc and was super mobile xD. Overall, ele in classic is probably one of the most fun times you can have a shaman in pvp imo.
It's that for me, and it made me ultimately decide to go warlock over mage since locks are better in TBC. That, and getting a free mount on a fresh server is nice.
i played mage all through classic 2019 and BC. Felt so OP in pretty much everything. But there was one class I hated in PVP and that was Shaman so I think I am going that route this time. I don't mind chilling and chain healing in raids with dual spec honestly. Great video TY! EDIT: I am really gonna miss ports lol.
I played shaman in classic 2019, and being able to ruin a mage's day was one of the best parts of it. 6 sec cd ranged interrupt and grounding totem to spoil polymorph is hilarious, not to mention spamming purge.
I figured that Shaman hated Mages due to Improved Counter Spell locking them out of casting Nature spells for a few seconds which is pretty much a death sentence for a Shaman in a Battleground, alongside Priest's Silence of course and/or a Druid's Feral Charge. Only having a single spell school shared between both damage _and_ healing really sucks. The three top dogs of PvP in Classic are Warlocks, (Geared Shadow) Priests, and (Frost) Mages. These are followed by Rogues, Druids (Feral could arguably be the strongest class in the game in PvP assuming perfect play), Hunters, then Shamans and Paladins below those, and finally Warriors in last as the most exploitable class with crippling weaknesses to crowd control like Polymorph, Slows, and Roots alongside a massive gear dependence, Free Action Potions are a must bring to every Battleground, and so is Engineering for the Grenades (pretty much true for all classes, but especially Warriors, Shamans, and Paladins.) The problem with Shaman is that it doesn't really have any _better_ utility over Warlocks, Priests, or Mages as Casters. It's call to fame is burst damage with Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning, with Nature's Swiftness and Earth Shock functioning as soft executes, followed by running out of mana fairly quickly and getting caught out as a result, for them Mana Potions and Demonic Runes are super important. They also have Reincarnation, which is useful to have obviously, as well as some self healing which is serviceable, but not amazing... Warlocks have spammable Fear (not good when your PvP Trinket doesn't dispell it.), and Demon Pets, and Soulstone for a self revive just like Shaman, and a Healthstone for a free big instant heal. Priests have a self shield and are able to heal themselves much more efficiently than a Shaman can and also have hard CC in the form of Psychic Scream, and they also have a Silence which really ruins your day, and they can even drain your mana. Mages also have a a self shield and have way more Slows than just Frostshock with Cone of Cold and Frostbolts, but also a Root with Frost Nova, Blink to break soft CC and create distance, and also Polymorph as hard CC and also Iceblock as _another_ defensive cooldown and also Counterspell because Mages are just that good. Shaman simply don't have as powerful of tools as these other Casters, they beat Warriors relatively easily, but struggle against every other class in a 1v1 Duel assuming equal skill. Paladin is about a 50/50 but they otherwise are at a disadvantage against Rogues, Druids, and Hunters more often than not, and are _heavily_ disadvantaged against a competent Warlock, Priest, or Mage. I love Shaman, Ghost Wolf is awesome (when talented), Totems are super cool thematically, I feel really strong in Dungeons. But in regards to PvP, there are certainly more effective classes available which are arguably more fun to play while being more engaging when mastered. Sincerely, a Shaman enjoyer who transitioned to a Frost Mage during 2019. They have their niches, but when those Niches are spamming Chain Heal and placing Totems, I eventually got bored and was captivated by the prospect of AoE Farming and all the Mage's utility on offer.
The pace is brilliant and the world is so lively without flying mounts. Retail wow with dragon riding has made it even worse imo. Doesn't really feel like a lived in world anymore. Damn shame.
Same. I enjoy TBC a bit too. Hate Kharazan grind in phase 1. Literally caused me to quit in 2020 or whenever classic TBC was released, but u came back when BT was available and cleared until Sunwell came out. Was a lot of fun.
Ok just want to give a heads up about Bear tanking as WillE kinda brushed over it (I have tanked every boss in classic as a bear minus loatheb): Its absolutely the strongest tank going into MC and it is definitely the king of any boss fight where you need to stack resists as you basically don't suffer a health penalty like warriors do for slapping on Resist gear. It does fall off in Tier 2 due to lack of upgrades, but is still very strong during this time. You Will want to do PvP for some gear once it comes out which will hold you over till AQ. While you have to farm Manuel Crowd Pummelers (especially if your are horde) the farm is pretty chill and easy to do, and once you hit AQ (the 1h weapon gives feral attack power which is very strong) you can effectively stop farming them then unless you just want to parse. Its biggest downside in Naxx is the fact that you cannot Use potion>AoE taunt very well for spider packs. Its biggest upside in Naxx is the resist aspect as well as being the best tank for patchwerk and Anub due to having an additional sprint built in. Its 100% viable in classic to be a bear, and anyone that says different is full of shit. (and I don't mean that in the way people think playing meme specs is viable)
i was told apparently bear druids cant hit defense cap, so they can just get randomly crit on some bosses and just die, is that not true? is there no reliance on things like the +defense stat or rng gear drops?
@@tahutahu2446 So this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how tanking works in classic. While crits and crushing blows can hit hard they are unlikely to be fatal even on a warrior tank (this is why you will see most warriors Fury tank in classic) Bears make up for the crits with their insane Armor as they can almost reach armor cap in preraid bis. Giving you an extra 35-40% armor mitigation (over warrior), which all but negates when taking a crit and making so that when you are crushed you are actually taking less damage than a DW Fury tank.
druid dodge is really high compared with warriors it can make your healers lazy (or inattentive) where they wander to heal someone else because you've been at full health for 10 secs just dodging but you can than be crushed twice in a row and there is no shield block to shrug it
oh yeah, please do a video on how each class performs in BOTH vanilla and TBC! I hate leveling, so how a class performs in TBC is going to be a huge consideration in what I roll now
My favorite class is Paladin. I made the decision in 2020 to play paladin in classic unaware that their best spec was healer, which is a spec I never play. If I get my friend to play maybe I'll make an alt that's a paladin so I can play Ret later on.
“Any class that uses mana is schizophrenic, any class that heals people is for subhumans, and the furry classes just aren’t my cup of tea, rouge was also on the table but i went with warrior.”
My buddy grooz made this comment in our disc "i genuinely need a psychological study on classic wow and why every relaunch is so hype" I think you're the perfect man for the job
Of all the class guides.. this guy finally makes the video to answer the real question..What class to pick in classic WITH dual spec on the table. Immediate thumbs up !
All my life I play melee characters, started with a Warrior in Cataclysm, pick up a Monk during MoP, change to a Druid (Feral) in WoD, choose a Demon Hunter in Legion and went back to a Warrior in both BfA and SL where I drop WoW and never play again until Cataclysm Classic drop and decided for nostalgia's sake I would roll a Warrior that I'm maining today. For this new Fresh Classic I decided to switch things up a bit and finally, play with a caster, a mage in this case.
I started classic as a retail player on Hardcore. I leveled my first warrior to 60 and i absolutely loved it ! Idk even tho it's slow until higher levels, it kinda feels "real". Probably gonna play war again, even tho i play casually.
Depends on your server. From what i realize when playing OCE server, Horde lack healers while Alliance lack tanks. Not sure how it will be when CCF(Classic Classic Fresh) release.
Shaman, Hunter, Druid, and maybe a Paly. Hit 60, log out until TBC. Maybe pvp a bit, but yeah...not wanting to play endgame that's going to be full of wars and rogues.
Paladins do have a taunt. If your blessing of protection, the person who is being attacked by mobs, they will go to the next highest person. It’s not an intuitive taunt, but theoretically a hunter could pull for you. You bop the hunter after you drop concentration. Pretty effective for five man’s.
I’ve been watching videos about which class to pick for the last two days, I even logged into era servers and leveled up a bit nearly every class and I’m still undecided. Fuck.
Literally looking forward to creating a noob guild to just teach newbies about classic. Metagame for the new generation of wowers and run a network of support guilds for the whole Server.
I love your videos on wow classic. Could you please do one like this bit with the advantages of each class with regards to TBC as I think this is some that will affect peoples decision on what to level.
Adding dual spec is huge. Its one of my most requested things that should be addded to vanilla. But I wish it was trispec, or even as many talent specs tabs that u want to buy....... that plus the gear tabs with each tab being a different set of gear, so u can switch gear for ur current role like healer or tank gear, or ur dps set with more crit or more ap/sp or pvp gear vs pve gear, ect. It would be a HUGE benefit and qulaity of life improvements that I'm sure most people would be in favor of adding since it just lets u play the game more, with easier talent sswaps, which let u play ur class to the max instead of just be stuck with one or two specs, and needing to port to city and class trainer to spend extra gold just to respec. More flexability is always good and make playing more fun to easily swap specs/talents as needed.... even pure dps like mage can have a frost spec and a fire spec, with different gearsets for each one.
In 2019 I wanted to go dwarf paladin, but Gravediggers decided to go horde and I loved my undead mage. This time, I am going ret Paladin and I don't care at all what it will mean.
@@FalcoPeregrinus77 Oh, I'm simply not in a place in my life right now in which I can afford to put time in something like that. I'm happy if I can follow along by watching a video on youtube once in a while haha.
I have to disagree with a couple points: 1: Ele shaman is THE strongest pvp spec for AB and WSG teamfights, and should be 5* 2: Hunters are definitely 5* for PvP since they are the best AV teamfighter, the best flag defender in AB, and only lose in 1v1 to troll shadowpriest and a soul link warlock, which is a niche duel spec. 3: Mages are definitely strong in pvp, but they are not the best overall pvp class.
Hey WillE!! So fun seeing your videos again, Will you be rolling a new char on the fresh servers again? I am one of these stupid ppl that will do Warrior AGAIN xD but this time Im gonna go for the tank roll right from the get go! hehe! Hope to catch you ingame!
I'm going to do a serious question and I hope someone can answer me. Many WoW players and veterans says the Human is the best race for Warrior on PVE servers because the skill plus with Swords and Maces, but when I was looking some Arms Warrior builds it seems on the Talent three everybody pick the one that buff Axes, so if everybody are going to use an Axe late game then the Human advantage will be useless? Besides the Warrior is the best tank on Classic, isn't better to pick a Dwarf that gives you frost resistance and the the ability to have 10% more armor? Or even the Gnome with Escape Artist and Arcane resistance?
these videos help but everyone please remember this time around to just relax and have fun wow classic isnt retail the end game isnt the point of the game here its what happened leading up to the end game and making connections with people and your toons EDIT: although im disliking the video. you SHOULD NOT be promoting boosting thats what killed the dungeon scene for leveling alts and its something that honestly should be bannable or completely voided.
As a warrior main. Warrior is high maintance but high reward. If you put the work in the warrior will be the best calss in the game. And that why I'll be maining a Druid bear tank this time around and alt leveling a Warrior and Paladin.
For someone who is new to WOW classic and has never played it before, what class would you guys recommend, and does it matter if I choose Horde or Alliance? (Likely will be playing solo too).
I’d be down to give this a go if they gave us the tbc talent trees from the start so paladins could tank etc. the dual spec and instant mail etc is very nice, things that should have been in SOD, its why i didnt play it (there was 0 reason for those to not be in a Classic+ version of the game)
I'm debating between a rogue or a mage, i've never raided in classic, but im planning to. I've heard that mage is just one button spam... is it any fun playing mage in raids?
I've been playing Paladin as a main since 2005, and on retail, hardcore, and sod. This is the first time I have some doubts, the Paladin was basically only playable back then because you _really_ wanted to play a Paladin. And now after having been used to play in a classic environment with the SoD changes, it's going to beyond brutal to go back. I'm not necessarily talking about power and balance, but simply how outdated their playstyle is. The entire playstyle of Ret is pressing 1-2 buttons 3-4 times each minute and just hoping for some procs. Most other classes are OK as they are, so I think you could give Paladins, Druids and Maybe Shamans a couple of tools without needing to buff the others. Like Crusader strike, tank taunt and mana regen, and longer blessings. And before anyone responds to my SoD comment. Yes it's going to be "brutal" going back from that for everyone, but most classis will still go back to the exact same roles and raid spots as they had, just with a more shallow toolkit. Paladins will lost 2/3 roles for 90% of the game when going back from SoD.
Every flavor released i was excited to go again and every time guilds fell apart and never got to do crap for endgame... hoping this time is different. I can find a group of peeps that aren't a part of the hype train and will stick around... please?? Going dwarf priest this time around so I'll at least get to do dungeons lol
I am going to try something new this time. Never did mage or rogue, so they are happening for farming... but I'm going to heal either with pally or Shaman instead of the classic priest... just gotta decide if I want to do Shaman for real because I've almost never played horde and would be a new challenge for me.
It’s crazy. I’ve been watching all of these class picking videos and I just have zero desire to play. I thought maybe the discussion would pique my interest but SoD has ruined classic for me. I love that I can actually do competitive damage with my dear Shadow Priest, and a lot of the new abilities feel fun and exciting compared to Classic’s mostly 1 button rotations. Hope y’all have fun though, fresh is always dope. I’ll see y’all in tbc where I’ll probably still be undecided on a main.
As a testament to how good mages are in world pvp when phase 2 dropped we had multiple guilds go to BRM on day 1 for a massive battle to control the chokepoint and it was all decided by which faction's mages ran out of mana first.
Those minor tweaks do not change the fact that enh spriest boomie ele ret wont be invited for raids just because someone can in bad warrior who will do better then best od the worst classes
I have never played WoW before. Will start to play now. What sites were he showing that provided those cool DPS infos? Is it WoW Wiki or something like that? I would like to know about good resources that I could read to inform myself about the game mechanics and contents. If anyone could provide me this I'd be grateful. I have always been a nerd that likes to know the theory about stuff that I'm interested in by reading. This also comes from experience because in many MMORPGs that I've played, I've realized that it's better to be informed before wasting time making mistakes that could be prevented with the right knowledge Knowledge is power.
Hmm... i think you missed out on how fun stuff is to play, especially in raids... Mage for example pressing literally a single button for the entire raid content till AQ40 is... well not fun. Hunter for example is just great cause you can pull mobs etc. which can be quite good fun while still dealing enough damage.
Part of me is conflicted on playing a hunter or a rogue. My first lvl 60 was a Rogue but I stopped playing once I hit 60 because I was in a casual guild at the time and everyone left for hardcore raiding guilds so yeah. It could be fun to play Rogue again and bring it into TBC but I also really like the idea of Hunter. I tend to like playing by myself outside end game dungeons so hunter works with that and the fantasy is cool. Also sidenote but I played a Hunter in TBC which I didn't play much of because I was really burnt out by then from Classic so this is my chance to enjoy TBC.... come next year.
I have the same dilema.. My very first char in 2007 was a Dwarf hunter with whom I played up until 47lvl, then TBC released and I made a Draenei Paladin who was my main during most of the expansions. When classic came I made a Night Elf rogue and I had a blast with world pvp! Now I'm a dad of two and I'm thinking of playing a dwarf hunter (with the same name and appearance of my original char ofc!) on the normal server to have a chill experience. However my heart desires ganks and I'm also considering rolling rogue on the pvp server :D
@@Pelenor-b9u You could always go pvp servers at the start and move over the pve later. Early pvp servers were players can't just buy things to help them survive sounds fun.
is it possible to send gold from an alliance toon to a horde one? all my friends are going horde so im gonna go with warrior but wanted to play paladin. so could i theoretically make an aoe paladin alt on ally and farm gold that way? really a shame paladins cant be horde on the anniversary
Def going druid this time, with dual spec i could either go fully into both directions in feral, or i could have one feral build and one resto/balance build. Will be really nice
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Class picking guide? How about a server picking guide instead?
Something that will really impact warrior dps is how fast each cycle is, with only 10 weeks in MC and 12 in the other raids there will not be close to as many people walking around in full bis. Warriors will still be top dps but I think rogues that go for rr14 for the gm dagger will have a better time trying to keep up, being able to use deadly poison makes quite a lot of difference.
@uuamenator well there will only be 2 realms, a pvp and pve
@@Martyr1127 oh for real? that will really simplify things. Thanks! I wonder how good is server capacity though?
@@uuamenator blizzard purposely said they'd be keeping a close eye on them and adding layers to help
As a vanilla rogue main, im gonna switch it up this time around and play an undead rogue
human for the +5 sword and mace
bro undead animations are bis
@@madsaarestrup8757 *female undead
Orc for stun resist
Undead for the drip
Remember to choose people over parse, memes over meta, and laughter over loot. Unless that loot is BIS.
@@midsummerKNlGHT unless its a boomkin. i hate boomkins. theyre worthless and take the caster gear even though they dont help with the gear they get
Who gives a shit about parse anyway in Vanilla. Shit is brain dead.
no thanks
Or the Skull Flame shield! 😂
@@shahgyyit’s a 20 year old game
Priest: @3:27
Mage: @6:17
Warlock: @8:48
Druid: @11:38
Rogue: @15:00
Shaman: @17:10
Hunter: @19:58
Paladin: @22:53
Warrior: @26:30
Thanks for doing the good work for the people, chief. 🫡
Thanks
@@TheCrimsonChin91 im rolling warlock then mage then priest
Doing gods work, ty
Bro doing gods work. I worship you!
The guy saying he's top 5 dmg on boomkin is a guild leader who takes all the caster gear, makes all the priests PI him, and all the druids innervate him.
.. and is still lying about being top dps.
And who brings only other boomkins to the raid.
So good to see WillE back in content like this. Cheers to the next 3 years and 2 expansions mate
We really gonna be playing Classic and asking for fresh even in 2060
2054 50th year anniversary classic launch
Count me in
@@genesisz1 I'll be there!
yes
There will always be fresh start servers every 5 years from now on. Blizz loves us that much! LOL
Only one of these videos I'm willing to watch. I already know what I'm rolling but WillE deserves the views
Can’t wait to spam tier list/what to play vids once again on sod classic in 2027
One must imagine Sisyphus grinding Elwynn Forest
@@crisismethodactorhe truly is rolling the rock up a hill in Elwynn
The no buff/debuff limit is the reason im so excited to play druid this time around. Hopefully warlock is fun with that change too. Its always been my fav type of alt because of how different the tool it is from druid.
You’ll still be spamming shadow bolt 😂
Unfortunately boomie will still go oom too fast and feral won’t use rake because the damage per energy is awful, but at least they can rip now.
Dots cant crit shadowbolt spam inc
Paladins, Shaman and Druids are gonna have so much fun with dual spec
Yep. was tempted before. But dual spec definitely locks in that ill be jumping back in yet again. I love playing my holy pally. But being able to properly farm on off nights without wasting hundreds of gold a week will be very nice.
I hope they price it at 1000g
@stevewright6632 why? I will go for paladin so one more healer in the world here just cause of dualspecc, and still if find trolls in the comments
I hope they make it so you have to go to the class trainer to activate the dual spec
We get dual spec????? I am back baby!!!
One small modification if I may. Shaman is 5 stars for pve and pvp objectively :
-restoration shaman is THE most demanded spec in pve on the horde side, there's a good reason for that.
-Ele/resto shaman (30/0/21) is an absolute monster of a spec in group pvp : with the proper gear you can literally global an entire group of people. You have interrupt, purge, grounding totem, anti fear, good healing, windfury totem : so basically awesome utility, good healing, and enormous burst damage. It's a very, very scary spec.
Otherwise I agree ;-)
@valaquenta220 So accurate and why I stopped watching the rest of this guide. Shaman is a super class to play in vanilla. Its BS, he doesn't know much about vanilla/era or played it to the fullest like some. I dont think he was just wrong about Shaman either. Bad guide.
@@gnarfacekillaawhere would you rank warlock for pvp
@@kidthebilly7766 4,5 stars, only loses to shadow priest
Its strong no doubt. Has major weaknesses though. Its a turret so can't do much under pressure. You won't be globalling a team without Elemental Mastery, which is a 3 min cooldown and means you can't take Nature's Swiftness. Good luck getting the gear for it btw - and a lot of it is cloth so there goes your survivability. All damage and healing is nature, so counterspell or silence ruins its day. Grounding and Windfury are both air totems - you can twist them but that takes a lot of mana. Tremor Totem only does its job 50% of the time and has to be precast if you are the fear target.
Chain Heal is insane, but its basically all you do in a raid. That and getting yelled at by the warriors if your Windfury isn't down for one millisecond. In Classic they had addons that would spam you if they attacked without Windfury lol.
@@cecilofs Gearing as an ele shaman is actually very easy, been there done that. It's just that it mostly becomes a monster when aq40 comes out, before that it's just "quite good" but not op. Still tons of fun. I 100% agree with it having obvious weaknesses, but thank god it does. Imagine if this thing had tons of cc and was super mobile xD. Overall, ele in classic is probably one of the most fun times you can have a shaman in pvp imo.
Classic for me and alot of others is a TBC waiting room, so a video on the transition of classes would probably do quite well.
It's that for me, and it made me ultimately decide to go warlock over mage since locks are better in TBC. That, and getting a free mount on a fresh server is nice.
@@seanwilliams7655 Yup basically Warlock, Hunter and Shaman are top prio in TBC.
@@seanwilliams7655soulshard farming simulator
a lot*
I would love to see a fresh vanilla into tbc with tbc classes and talents from the start
I missed it in 2019 but I’m here for it now! I was a Destiny 2 addict back then
same here i was destiny 2 addict also😂, im hype for this
i was a COD addict, so happy I don't play that garbage anymore
Enjoy the game hype for a month lol
@@lightner6924then onto Poe 2! 😂
Bro same lmao
the GOAT of Classic content
Jon Jones is the GOAT
Facts!
Fooled simps
BC?
naah that'd be madseason
I was gonna play mage before the video. I’m now gonna play mage thanks Wille
i played mage all through classic 2019 and BC. Felt so OP in pretty much everything. But there was one class I hated in PVP and that was Shaman so I think I am going that route this time. I don't mind chilling and chain healing in raids with dual spec honestly. Great video TY! EDIT: I am really gonna miss ports lol.
I played shaman in classic 2019, and being able to ruin a mage's day was one of the best parts of it. 6 sec cd ranged interrupt and grounding totem to spoil polymorph is hilarious, not to mention spamming purge.
I figured that Shaman hated Mages due to Improved Counter Spell locking them out of casting Nature spells for a few seconds which is pretty much a death sentence for a Shaman in a Battleground, alongside Priest's Silence of course and/or a Druid's Feral Charge. Only having a single spell school shared between both damage _and_ healing really sucks.
The three top dogs of PvP in Classic are Warlocks, (Geared Shadow) Priests, and (Frost) Mages. These are followed by Rogues, Druids (Feral could arguably be the strongest class in the game in PvP assuming perfect play), Hunters, then Shamans and Paladins below those, and finally Warriors in last as the most exploitable class with crippling weaknesses to crowd control like Polymorph, Slows, and Roots alongside a massive gear dependence, Free Action Potions are a must bring to every Battleground, and so is Engineering for the Grenades (pretty much true for all classes, but especially Warriors, Shamans, and Paladins.)
The problem with Shaman is that it doesn't really have any _better_ utility over Warlocks, Priests, or Mages as Casters. It's call to fame is burst damage with Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning, with Nature's Swiftness and Earth Shock functioning as soft executes, followed by running out of mana fairly quickly and getting caught out as a result, for them Mana Potions and Demonic Runes are super important. They also have Reincarnation, which is useful to have obviously, as well as some self healing which is serviceable, but not amazing... Warlocks have spammable Fear (not good when your PvP Trinket doesn't dispell it.), and Demon Pets, and Soulstone for a self revive just like Shaman, and a Healthstone for a free big instant heal. Priests have a self shield and are able to heal themselves much more efficiently than a Shaman can and also have hard CC in the form of Psychic Scream, and they also have a Silence which really ruins your day, and they can even drain your mana. Mages also have a a self shield and have way more Slows than just Frostshock with Cone of Cold and Frostbolts, but also a Root with Frost Nova, Blink to break soft CC and create distance, and also Polymorph as hard CC and also Iceblock as _another_ defensive cooldown and also Counterspell because Mages are just that good. Shaman simply don't have as powerful of tools as these other Casters, they beat Warriors relatively easily, but struggle against every other class in a 1v1 Duel assuming equal skill. Paladin is about a 50/50 but they otherwise are at a disadvantage against Rogues, Druids, and Hunters more often than not, and are _heavily_ disadvantaged against a competent Warlock, Priest, or Mage.
I love Shaman, Ghost Wolf is awesome (when talented), Totems are super cool thematically, I feel really strong in Dungeons. But in regards to PvP, there are certainly more effective classes available which are arguably more fun to play while being more engaging when mastered. Sincerely, a Shaman enjoyer who transitioned to a Frost Mage during 2019. They have their niches, but when those Niches are spamming Chain Heal and placing Totems, I eventually got bored and was captivated by the prospect of AoE Farming and all the Mage's utility on offer.
I might give it a go, Classic is the only version of WoW that I still enjoy. There's just something special about it.
The pace is brilliant and the world is so lively without flying mounts.
Retail wow with dragon riding has made it even worse imo. Doesn't really feel like a lived in world anymore. Damn shame.
Same. I enjoy TBC a bit too. Hate Kharazan grind in phase 1. Literally caused me to quit in 2020 or whenever classic TBC was released, but u came back when BT was available and cleared until Sunwell came out. Was a lot of fun.
@@MrMrTravman The pace is also why SoD sucks. Giving 150% exp buff is awful and solidifies the fact that the game mode is seasonal.
Ok just want to give a heads up about Bear tanking as WillE kinda brushed over it (I have tanked every boss in classic as a bear minus loatheb):
Its absolutely the strongest tank going into MC and it is definitely the king of any boss fight where you need to stack resists as you basically don't suffer a health penalty like warriors do for slapping on Resist gear. It does fall off in Tier 2 due to lack of upgrades, but is still very strong during this time.
You Will want to do PvP for some gear once it comes out which will hold you over till AQ.
While you have to farm Manuel Crowd Pummelers (especially if your are horde) the farm is pretty chill and easy to do, and once you hit AQ (the 1h weapon gives feral attack power which is very strong) you can effectively stop farming them then unless you just want to parse.
Its biggest downside in Naxx is the fact that you cannot Use potion>AoE taunt very well for spider packs.
Its biggest upside in Naxx is the resist aspect as well as being the best tank for patchwerk and Anub due to having an additional sprint built in.
Its 100% viable in classic to be a bear, and anyone that says different is full of shit. (and I don't mean that in the way people think playing meme specs is viable)
i was told apparently bear druids cant hit defense cap, so they can just get randomly crit on some bosses and just die, is that not true? is there no reliance on things like the +defense stat or rng gear drops?
@@tahutahu2446 So this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how tanking works in classic.
While crits and crushing blows can hit hard they are unlikely to be fatal even on a warrior tank (this is why you will see most warriors Fury tank in classic)
Bears make up for the crits with their insane Armor as they can almost reach armor cap in preraid bis. Giving you an extra 35-40% armor mitigation (over warrior), which all but negates when taking a crit and making so that when you are crushed you are actually taking less damage than a DW Fury tank.
druid dodge is really high compared with warriors
it can make your healers lazy (or inattentive) where they wander to heal someone else because you've been at full health for 10 secs just dodging
but you can than be crushed twice in a row and there is no shield block to shrug it
Think im gonna try wow for the first time ever 20 years late 😂
Go in knowing that the journey will come to an eventual end or hiatus assuming your interested in tbc
@scrublord7922 playing first time ever isn't waiting for TBC. open ur eyes
Sure ;), we all know there are No knew people
@@scrublord7922 what are you yapping
Please do . This is a masterpiece 20 years later .
I was watching your old "Was it any good?" Videos to help me pick so this is perfect :)
oh yeah, please do a video on how each class performs in BOTH vanilla and TBC! I hate leveling, so how a class performs in TBC is going to be a huge consideration in what I roll now
he already has that video. or just search for the million other class picking guides
Once a warrior... always a warrior . Tusnalgas will rack his 2h weps again 😎
My favorite class is Paladin. I made the decision in 2020 to play paladin in classic unaware that their best spec was healer, which is a spec I never play. If I get my friend to play maybe I'll make an alt that's a paladin so I can play Ret later on.
try paladin in SOD so many more options :)
@Tre3dog oh I did, I played it the first day SoD was out and it was amazing. Unfortunately I had burnout in phase 2 and stopped playing.
Ret paladin will get some love in TBC and definitely more in Wrath, but it can be fun enough in pvp. Otherwise, get your holy spec ready
Oops, all warriors.
U A WOYER HE A WOYER WE A WOYERRRR
“Any class that uses mana is schizophrenic, any class that heals people is for subhumans, and the furry classes just aren’t my cup of tea, rouge was also on the table but i went with warrior.”
EVERYONES A WOYERRRRRR
I am was thinking going druid, hunter or warrior but I am not sure.
@@viniciusragnev4763 how casual are you
My buddy grooz made this comment in our disc "i genuinely need a psychological study on classic wow and why every relaunch is so hype" I think you're the perfect man for the job
Classic is back and it’s good to be watching WillE again.
Of all the class guides.. this guy finally makes the video to answer the real question..What class to pick in classic WITH dual spec on the table. Immediate thumbs up !
All my life I play melee characters, started with a Warrior in Cataclysm, pick up a Monk during MoP, change to a Druid (Feral) in WoD, choose a Demon Hunter in Legion and went back to a Warrior in both BfA and SL where I drop WoW and never play again until Cataclysm Classic drop and decided for nostalgia's sake I would roll a Warrior that I'm maining today. For this new Fresh Classic I decided to switch things up a bit and finally, play with a caster, a mage in this case.
I'm going paladin for the prot, ret dream! Waiting for tbc!
Classic releases in Oceania 7am!!! Brutal 😂😓
its 9am no?
perth man?
Old Khaz'goroth here! Fuark!!!!
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result
I started classic as a retail player on Hardcore. I leveled my first warrior to 60 and i absolutely loved it ! Idk even tho it's slow until higher levels, it kinda feels "real". Probably gonna play war again, even tho i play casually.
man... i can't pick between rogue, warrior, priest, mage. only half of the classes lol
same lol
Those 4 are the only real classes in classic lol
Depends on your server. From what i realize when playing OCE server, Horde lack healers while Alliance lack tanks. Not sure how it will be when CCF(Classic Classic Fresh) release.
all of them are S tier in pvp, only warrior can tank and only priest can heal, you should think about that
Shaman, Hunter, Druid, and maybe a Paly. Hit 60, log out until TBC. Maybe pvp a bit, but yeah...not wanting to play endgame that's going to be full of wars and rogues.
Cry
@TheWowzz You're crying?
Paladins do have a taunt. If your blessing of protection, the person who is being attacked by mobs, they will go to the next highest person. It’s not an intuitive taunt, but theoretically a hunter could pull for you. You bop the hunter after you drop concentration. Pretty effective for five man’s.
It's not a Classic release without a Willie class picking guide.
Done about four releases and I'm here for it, becoming tradition at this point.
I’ve been watching videos about which class to pick for the last two days, I even logged into era servers and leveled up a bit nearly every class and I’m still undecided. Fuck.
I missed out in 2019, ain't no way I'm missing out this time.
tbf this time around is the chill cool do what you want fresh, we had big boy fresh 2019, and 2 meme not-really-fresh-but-it'll-do's since
Literally looking forward to creating a noob guild to just teach newbies about classic.
Metagame for the new generation of wowers and run a network of support guilds for the whole Server.
23:13 Me watching this video while playing as a Paladin
I love your videos on wow classic.
Could you please do one like this bit with the advantages of each class with regards to TBC as I think this is some that will affect peoples decision on what to level.
Adding dual spec is huge. Its one of my most requested things that should be addded to vanilla. But I wish it was trispec, or even as many talent specs tabs that u want to buy....... that plus the gear tabs with each tab being a different set of gear, so u can switch gear for ur current role like healer or tank gear, or ur dps set with more crit or more ap/sp or pvp gear vs pve gear, ect. It would be a HUGE benefit and qulaity of life improvements that I'm sure most people would be in favor of adding since it just lets u play the game more, with easier talent sswaps, which let u play ur class to the max instead of just be stuck with one or two specs, and needing to port to city and class trainer to spend extra gold just to respec. More flexability is always good and make playing more fun to easily swap specs/talents as needed.... even pure dps like mage can have a frost spec and a fire spec, with different gearsets for each one.
In 2019 I wanted to go dwarf paladin, but Gravediggers decided to go horde and I loved my undead mage. This time, I am going ret Paladin and I don't care at all what it will mean.
I've never been more hyped for something that I can't take part in. Hope you guys have a bunch of fun!
Why?
@ what do you mean?
@@2pacorwhat Why can't you participate?
@@FalcoPeregrinus77 Oh, I'm simply not in a place in my life right now in which I can afford to put time in something like that. I'm happy if I can follow along by watching a video on youtube once in a while haha.
just watched the entire "was it any good though" series. but i guess ill watch this too, as im still unsure
I have to disagree with a couple points:
1: Ele shaman is THE strongest pvp spec for AB and WSG teamfights, and should be 5*
2: Hunters are definitely 5* for PvP since they are the best AV teamfighter, the best flag defender in AB, and only lose in 1v1 to troll shadowpriest and a soul link warlock, which is a niche duel spec.
3: Mages are definitely strong in pvp, but they are not the best overall pvp class.
Even lock aint no way its a 3 star lmao
I will roll Shaman and my buddy Warrior, can't wait to enter the first dungeon!
shamans existence is to buff warriors, so your buddy’s gonna have a great time
check all Melderon's guides for shaman, it's mega helpful!
Doomed to be resto forever 😢
@@notafortnitegamer restosham fun tho :D
@@NarutoNinja110 meh , rogue will be more fun
Resto Druid (The fun choice) or Dwarf Priest (The Bis Choice).
The agony of choice.
Hey WillE!! So fun seeing your videos again, Will you be rolling a new char on the fresh servers again?
I am one of these stupid ppl that will do Warrior AGAIN xD but this time Im gonna go for the tank roll right from the get go! hehe! Hope to catch you ingame!
Warrior is one of the most interesting classes, mine is in AQ40 gear right now and I dunno if I can say goodbye to him lol.
I didn't find time codes, here's one.
8:45 - Warlock
Great video, boss. I appreciate you. Would also love to see a TBC video when you have time.
He did years ago when it was rereleased the first time
I'm going to do a serious question and I hope someone can answer me. Many WoW players and veterans says the Human is the best race for Warrior on PVE servers because the skill plus with Swords and Maces, but when I was looking some Arms Warrior builds it seems on the Talent three everybody pick the one that buff Axes, so if everybody are going to use an Axe late game then the Human advantage will be useless?
Besides the Warrior is the best tank on Classic, isn't better to pick a Dwarf that gives you frost resistance and the the ability to have 10% more armor? Or even the Gnome with Escape Artist and Arcane resistance?
dual spec for sure going pally ret for pvp/solopve and holy for group content gonna be fun
I get emotional when i watch videos on WoW classic reminds me of a simple time the good ole days.
Hours before launch and still unsure what to play this go
these videos help but everyone please remember this time around to just relax and have fun wow classic isnt retail the end game isnt the point of the game here its what happened leading up to the end game and making connections with people and your toons
EDIT: although im disliking the video. you SHOULD NOT be promoting boosting thats what killed the dungeon scene for leveling alts and its something that honestly should be bannable or completely voided.
As a warrior main. Warrior is high maintance but high reward. If you put the work in the warrior will be the best calss in the game. And that why I'll be maining a Druid bear tank this time around and alt leveling a Warrior and Paladin.
If theyre going to add dual spec why WAIT to implement it?
Honestly they’ll probably release it faster than we expect lol
For someone who is new to WOW classic and has never played it before, what class would you guys recommend, and does it matter if I choose Horde or Alliance? (Likely will be playing solo too).
I think by now everybody knows what they want to main, and if they don’t they can look up WilliE videos from 5 years back, thanks willie
So keen for the 20 warriors, 5 shammy groups again.............
dont play it then
sod is still there
I’d be down to give this a go if they gave us the tbc talent trees from the start so paladins could tank etc. the dual spec and instant mail etc is very nice, things that should have been in SOD, its why i didnt play it (there was 0 reason for those to not be in a Classic+ version of the game)
Been thinking of going back to classic to get rid of the button bloat. Is it worthwhile?
WILL IS BACK!
I'm debating between a rogue or a mage, i've never raided in classic, but im planning to. I've heard that mage is just one button spam... is it any fun playing mage in raids?
Its pretty boring I have to say. Played it throughout 2019 release, such a great class for farming and pvp, but very boring in raids.
Great vid big man
If youre not experimenting with non meta builds at this point you lack a sack.
I've been playing Paladin as a main since 2005, and on retail, hardcore, and sod. This is the first time I have some doubts, the Paladin was basically only playable back then because you _really_ wanted to play a Paladin. And now after having been used to play in a classic environment with the SoD changes, it's going to beyond brutal to go back. I'm not necessarily talking about power and balance, but simply how outdated their playstyle is. The entire playstyle of Ret is pressing 1-2 buttons 3-4 times each minute and just hoping for some procs. Most other classes are OK as they are, so I think you could give Paladins, Druids and Maybe Shamans a couple of tools without needing to buff the others. Like Crusader strike, tank taunt and mana regen, and longer blessings.
And before anyone responds to my SoD comment. Yes it's going to be "brutal" going back from that for everyone, but most classis will still go back to the exact same roles and raid spots as they had, just with a more shallow toolkit. Paladins will lost 2/3 roles for 90% of the game when going back from SoD.
So to just try classic and enjoy the lvling its good to take priest, paly or hunter?
Going to roll a mage ofc 🎉🎉🎉
I already cleared everything I wanted to last time, so this time I'm just going to try and have some fun making Prot and Ret Paladin work
Once a Warlock always a Warlock!
Warlock Gang rise!!!
Uhhhg.... FINE.
TIME TO GET THE CRACK READY THAT EVERYONE FORGETS TO USE...
Every flavor released i was excited to go again and every time guilds fell apart and never got to do crap for endgame... hoping this time is different. I can find a group of peeps that aren't a part of the hype train and will stick around... please?? Going dwarf priest this time around so I'll at least get to do dungeons lol
I am going to try something new this time. Never did mage or rogue, so they are happening for farming... but I'm going to heal either with pally or Shaman instead of the classic priest... just gotta decide if I want to do Shaman for real because I've almost never played horde and would be a new challenge for me.
i have ALWAYS played a hunter, this time around im playing rogue for the first time ever. level 19 so far having a blast
What profession should I pick for mage
When you play in a casual guild you can get top 5 dps as rogue and hold up with warrior
Watched every one of your 2019 classic vids and ill watch all of these too
It’s crazy. I’ve been watching all of these class picking videos and I just have zero desire to play. I thought maybe the discussion would pique my interest but SoD has ruined classic for me. I love that I can actually do competitive damage with my dear Shadow Priest, and a lot of the new abilities feel fun and exciting compared to Classic’s mostly 1 button rotations. Hope y’all have fun though, fresh is always dope. I’ll see y’all in tbc where I’ll probably still be undecided on a main.
Exactly how I feel
Can we have a hardcore version please?
As a testament to how good mages are in world pvp when phase 2 dropped we had multiple guilds go to BRM on day 1 for a massive battle to control the chokepoint and it was all decided by which faction's mages ran out of mana first.
Going Cat druid like I did when the game released I love cat.
Those minor tweaks do not change the fact that enh spriest boomie ele ret wont be invited for raids just because someone can in bad warrior who will do better then best od the worst classes
Nice vid, great information and commentary
Best class review for classic , just perfect and very well summarized
Thank you
Even with no DEBUFF Limit,does this matter? all dots are now allowed
Will these servers progress through expansions or stay vanilla 4ever?
I have never played WoW before. Will start to play now. What sites were he showing that provided those cool DPS infos? Is it WoW Wiki or something like that?
I would like to know about good resources that I could read to inform myself about the game mechanics and contents. If anyone could provide me this I'd be grateful.
I have always been a nerd that likes to know the theory about stuff that I'm interested in by reading. This also comes from experience because in many MMORPGs that I've played, I've realized that it's better to be informed before wasting time making mistakes that could be prevented with the right knowledge
Knowledge is power.
Hmm... i think you missed out on how fun stuff is to play, especially in raids... Mage for example pressing literally a single button for the entire raid content till AQ40 is... well not fun.
Hunter for example is just great cause you can pull mobs etc. which can be quite good fun while still dealing enough damage.
Part of me is conflicted on playing a hunter or a rogue. My first lvl 60 was a Rogue but I stopped playing once I hit 60 because I was in a casual guild at the time and everyone left for hardcore raiding guilds so yeah. It could be fun to play Rogue again and bring it into TBC but I also really like the idea of Hunter. I tend to like playing by myself outside end game dungeons so hunter works with that and the fantasy is cool. Also sidenote but I played a Hunter in TBC which I didn't play much of because I was really burnt out by then from Classic so this is my chance to enjoy TBC.... come next year.
I have the same dilema.. My very first char in 2007 was a Dwarf hunter with whom I played up until 47lvl, then TBC released and I made a Draenei Paladin who was my main during most of the expansions. When classic came I made a Night Elf rogue and I had a blast with world pvp! Now I'm a dad of two and I'm thinking of playing a dwarf hunter (with the same name and appearance of my original char ofc!) on the normal server to have a chill experience. However my heart desires ganks and I'm also considering rolling rogue on the pvp server :D
@@Pelenor-b9u You could always go pvp servers at the start and move over the pve later. Early pvp servers were players can't just buy things to help them survive sounds fun.
im rolling war like everyone else but ill still watch this video
What server are you rolling on Will?
could it be the case that frontshredding works now?
i know every single piece of information in all these videos, but i still watch every single one from all the different creators.
Struggling to choose between Shaman and Priest. Just cant decide
is it possible to send gold from an alliance toon to a horde one? all my friends are going horde so im gonna go with warrior but wanted to play paladin. so could i theoretically make an aoe paladin alt on ally and farm gold that way? really a shame paladins cant be horde on the anniversary
which is better for pvp in fresh, warrior fury or arms?
Will ele shaman be viable in endgame or still no?
Please use timestamps
Def going druid this time, with dual spec i could either go fully into both directions in feral, or i could have one feral build and one resto/balance build. Will be really nice