Battlegroup: Kursk, Summer 1943. Wargame AAR
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- Brought to you by the Caesar Award winning gang at Long Shot Wargaming, a 15mm wargaming using the Battlegroup rule set. Men and machine clash in the wheat fields of Kursk. The Red Army attempts to stall the German advance into Kursk. T-34s go head to head with the feared Tiger tank, Panther tank, and more! All minitatures used are by Battlefront Miniatures and Zvezda. The Battlegroup Kursk campaign supplement was used for period appropriate army lists. This game was played on a custom 6'x8' table meant to depict the wide open spaces the were central in the Kursk campaign. Miniature Wargaming at its most savage!
THIS is a proper battle report thankyou. I so sick of 'reports' that show thousands of dice rolls and audio of people constantly discussing or explaining the rules (almost all WH40K videos). Your version is actually interesting, entertaining and justifies why we play these games in the first place. thankyou and well done.
Wow! What a compliment. Thanks for watching. I always thought the recipe was simple: play games i want to play, make videos i would watch. Stay tuned we have some cool stuff planned!
Agreed
This is so cool, I love the details you add to all of your videos, and I like the way you add sounds to your battles.
We need more of those high quality battlegroup battle reports! One of the best ive seen of the whole tabletop community
Wow! What a compliment. Thanks for the view and comment. We are currently working on a Spectre Operations project and than its back to Battlegroup!
@@LongShotWargaming Military historian David Glantz exposed how the Soviets covered up their losses at Kursk. He has a video on this site called The Soviet-German War, 1941-1945: Myths and Realities.
I love the sound effects and narration of the battle. Very immersive!
Thanks David, this was a fun game. Thanks for the view/comment!
So glad to see you guys back with a new video!
@Little Wars TV, thanks for the view and comment! Its high time you guys give Battlegroup a try!
@@LongShotWargaming I know, and we've been vowing to do so for awhile. Tony picked up a copy and circulated it around the club a bit. Looks interesting for sure.
I just started wargaming and bought some German soldiers I’m a bit overwhelmed as where to start
Battlegroup is a good start! there are a couple basic mechanics you can start with and grow into the more advanced stuff. What period of Germans are you collecting?
Nice to see a good battle report on our game... well done chaps.
Ten years since we released BG Kursk so good to see it still showing why its the best. ;)
Piers thanks for the view and comment! You guys hit the nail on the head with the BG rules. It is a perfect balance of tactical realism and playablilty. I hope we do it justice, it is with out a doubt the favorite in our club. Stay tuned we have exciting projects planned for battlegroup and Force on Force!
I’m a 28mm guy, but your AAR’s make 15mm and Battlegroup look so appealing
28mm is definitely the best for squad/platoon levels action, but 15mm lends itself nicely to slightly larger combined arms engagements. Give Battlegroup a try! It is scale agnostic to some degree. Thanks for the view!
Excellent batrep! Really nice table. Nice painted miniatures. I like it how immersive you have made this report with soundeffects and clear fotos and filmparts. Excellent filmcut! Thank you a lot for this! Greetings from Germany.
Battlegroup is a great System!
Thanks for the view and nice comment. Stay tuned we have a cool project we are working on right now!
Really great format you guys have. The narration and story-telling summarize the battle in just the right amount of depth without taking too long. The tables and models look great. Really good job, I look forward to more. Maybe some cold war gone hot type games? And just remember to let the dog play next time. :)
Without doubt one of the best quality channels Ive seen for Battlegroup games, albeit just a few at the moment produced from you chaps. Im looking at starting into Battlegroup and working out my purchase of miniatures. I find the Battlefront miniatures better than Plastic soldier company for Infantry at least so these reports where the detail of the force list is clearly shown is tremendous. The table, sound affects and the game play is all just brilliant. As for the game room, outstanding. i love the idea of A1 quick reference guides on the wall, bloody brilliant idea. Hope to see many more Battlegroup games from you chaps.
@Ratel Mike, thanks for the view and comment. I am glad to hear you are interested in Battlegroup! We find it is the best rule set for this scale and time period. We use almost exclusively Battlefront miniatures, but most of the truck are Zvezda. Good luck with your army building. Any idea what campaign of the war you are interested in gaming?
@@LongShotWargaming for me some of the best battles were those where German Generals were allowed to exercise their tactical ability. They were masters at Mechanised mobile warfare. After Stalingrad Von Manstein gave the Russians a real lesson in tactics. They over extended. He withdrew tactically to conserve his manpower and equipment, reinforce, reorganise, closer to resupply where the ivans over extended. This culminated in an incredible counterattack that formed the basis for the big battle of Kursk. Speaking of Kursk battles the incredible tenacity of Das Reich in the southern pincer which would have broken the Soviets had Hitler not lost his nerve. Even after the battle Prokorovka 2nd SS Das Reich had the ability and the will to smash through. Rommels battles in the desert as well.
Beautiful table (and really neat/tidy gaming room!) . Wonderfully presented battle report! Thank you for the 1/2 hour of entertainment! [Tiny, tiny inconsequential quibbles - Ferdinands in the North and Panthers in the South, debatable that the Su85 was there (could easily have been a Su76 or Su122 which would deal punishment too), Russian mortars 82mm]. Really seemed to capture the mayhem of the desperate counterattacks at Kursk. Keep up the great content!
I liked the interview aspect, and the overall presentation is looking great. Really enjoyable batreps.
Also, your table and game room is fantastic looking!
Thanks for the feedback and view!
Great game, really appreciate all the effort that went into the presentation.
Thanks Neil!
I just received the hardback rules and wanted a video commentary to supplement my reading and I stumbled upon you gents. Glad that I did~ Top Notch table and video production!!!!! Watched Rhineland and Kursk back-to-back.
Thanks for the view and comment! I'm glad to hear you purchased Battlegroup. Any idea what period or army you will be playing?
@@LongShotWargaming I am well set up for NW Europe 44-45 with Germans and Americans, several full companies each of Heer and GIs. Lots of Armor. I also have a huge Red Army force. My table is usually 8ft but can go 10 or 12, 5 ft 6 in width. Am a retired Cavalryman residing near Tacoma. I also play a lot of Chain of Command in 28mm and 15mm
Great battle rep, really enjoyed it, and interesting to see it done with this ruleset as it's not familiar to me but I had heard of it. The graphic presentation of the opposing armies before the game begins is really good, beats the quick pan-over of models people sometimes do. Lovely room...
Well worth the wait, great AAR guys! You blokes really put together an entertaining video! Just love that Bren gun!
Thanks for the view and kind words Brett! Everyone should have a Bren lying around.
Wow. The quality of the video is awesome. Would love to see you guys post up more videos.
More to come!
Excellent presentation, love the spacing of the interviews with players pre-, mid-, and end-game
Thanks, we were excited to include the interviews. I think it adds a lot of context.
Bloody fantastic. Ended up subscribing and watching all your videos. Keep them coming!
Thanks for the view/comment! We have some projects coming up we are very excited about, stay tuned!
Great report can’t wait for more. Really want to get into Battlegroup .
Excellent Wargame, love the table, tactics and minis. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent game! It’s almost like I was there!
Excited to see another wwii rep from you guys.
This is really good guys, watched it whilst making dinner. Gained a fan from the UK!
Welcome, we are glad to hear you liked it. We have some cool stuff planned, stay tuned.
@@LongShotWargaming really looking forward to it
New sub, just wanted to say excellent game & love the way you pit the report together 🤘💀🤘
Welcome aboard!
Absolutely fabulous battle report. Great looking battlefield and loved the miniatures. Great job on the video. Thank you for sharing!
Bloody brilliant! I was engrossed. Love your room and tabletop. My plan for my set up in the future.
All your grog too. Bit of Dutch courage. Subscribed.
Thanks for the view and comment Nick! Good luck setting up your own game room. Its nice to have a dedicated space.
Excellent storytelling. You obviously put a lot of work into building the narrative.
Taking airpower into account would have been interesting to see represented in this fashion. Understandably, it would have been a minor element.
Amazing board. Great format.
Thanks so much!
I am absolutely impressed with the quality of this Batrep. Thank you for making such amazing content.
What a compliment. Thanks for the view and comment.
This is so well done, ive watched tons of longer videos like this but this is like a history channel version of one of those condensed into an engaging and immersive breakdown.
Thanks, we're glad to hear you like the format.
Great AAR, looking forward to more.
Outstanding battle report as usual! Your game table is amazing.
Thanks Wendy for the compliment and view!
Great battle report. Really enjoyed it. The table is beautiful and your gaming space is amazing.
Much appreciated Chip! Thanks for the view!
That's a beautiful table. I've played that theatre for years but have never managed to pay out a convincing battlefield. I'll reference this one in the future.
Thanks for the view and comment. Yes, something about the Kursk terrain was kind of difficult to replicate. I think it was the color. most hobby materials are bright green, that of a lush grass. Appropriate for Normandy maybe. But there is an arid quality to the farm fields around Kursk. Woodland Scenics had some stuff that helped achieve the look.
Great fun. Well done guys, lovely work. I like the rules pages on the wall - very convenient. All in all quite inspiring - got me thinking about putting on a game at home.
Stunning table and room. Hope to see more output from you guys.
The terrain of the battlefield is beautiful is beautiful.
Brilliant game, love your vids, gets you really engaged. Keep up the great work 👍🏻😊
Thanks for the view/comment!
Very cool, you've definitely piqued my curiosity and got me checking your channel out!.. If I had friends I definitely think I'd enjoy playing this one haha
Great to see Battlegroup content. And what a game!😃
Yes BG for life! What a rule set! Thanks for watching!
Hell yeah, some of the best wargaming/BG content out there.
Wow, that's quite the compliment. Thanks for the view Filip.
Excellent batrep. Thank you.
Love your videos, only wish there were more of them! Thankfully I can watch them again and again!
Thanks @OldFrontLine that's a great compliment. We are hoping to drop an AAR about Vietnam 1969 soon. Stay tuned!
Brill!! love your terrain, good vlog
Well done Gents, great terrain and battle report, Well done!🥃👍
This is the best AAR that I’ve ever seen.
Paul, that is quite a compliment. We appreciate your viewership. We do not have a very high output rate but we do put a lot of care and thought into our videos. I am glad to hear you enjoyed it.
Everything about this is top notch
We appreciate the compliment, thanks for the view!
I love this!!!!! Please bring more reports. Love your setup. Trying to get a group together now. Looks so fun!
Yeah miniature wargaming is a great hobby, i hope your group comes together. Thanks for the view!
I love the look of your game table layout, I will take this as inspiration for my battle fields in future 15mm games.
Thanks! Any idea what theater or period you are interested in playing?
@@LongShotWargaming I have a Cigarbox Europe fields that I use for 1/144 scale. I want to do 15mm Eastern front in the future. Could you make a vid on how you build your game tables? Very nice look.
Amazing work! Thank's for sharing!
Really enjoyed this, thanks for posting and it’s inspired me to get my T34s on the table. 👍
Thanks for the view and comment, T-34s are great! particularly in BG.
Awesome guys! Keep them coming!
Thanks Marshall! I will keep them coming as fast as a full-time job and two kids will allow!
Keep up the great work gentlemen your stuff is some of the best out there
Tanks for the view and kind words, we will keep them coming as fast as possible.
Excellent video - really enjoyed that. I'm considering getting into WWII, and games like this with beautiful figures and terrain are inspiring.
Great analysis as well.
Thanks Michael! WWII is a great gaming period, the soldiers, vehicles, aircraft, artillery, engineers etc. make for very deep and layered games. Definitely give Battlegroup a try. We find it to be a fantastic representation without over complication. Any particular theater or period of the war you are interested in?
I love the format of batrep. One of the best way to tell a story of a battle in the whole platform. Like the ones they do on Little wars TV. Thank you guys. Amazing!
Thank you Francesco, that is quite a compliment!
Nice game and video! 'It's Kursk, baby'! Thanks!
Man these are some epic battles. And that terrain!
German formation was ahistorical: Ferdinand was only used on the northern side of the Bulge, Panthers and Tigers only on the Southern side. Outcome was spot on.
AWSOME!!!... Nice work!!!
amazing terrain & sound effects!!!! Very nice Job!!!
Thanks for the view and comment.
Lovely narrated played i liked when the big cats join in it was glorious
Excellent! Beautiful game and great production.
Thank you very much!
Really nice ! Congrats :-)
Excellent report of a fun looking game. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a great video! Thank you.
Thanks for the view!
Excellent stuff !!!!!!
Immersive and inspirational report and table! I’m currently painting up 6mm forces for a Kursk campaign myself.
Thanks for the view Steven! Kursk in 6mm would be epic. What miniatures are you using? GHQ Micro Armor?
@@LongShotWargaming Yep, GHQ! I've got all the Soviet AFVs and about 1/4th the infantry completed (tedious in 6mm... but worth it). Starting on the German AFVs in between finishing them up.
Out of curiosity how and on what are you basing your infantry? Ive recently purchased a bunch of modern GHQ minis and i'm not sure what to use.
@@LongShotWargaming I've used a few free .stls from Project Wargaming. He's got a base system with small/medium/large that you can print along with a dial that fits each that you can glue magnets in for casualty tracking for infantry (large = squads, medium = big guns, small = 2-3 man weapon teams). I just found other free .stls that were solid (no dial or counter necessary for the vehicles) and edited the size to match Project Wargaming's. They've turned out really great and you don't have 10+ extra dice rolling around the table.
Thanks for the tip, ill check it out!
Superbe table et commentaires du scénario et la bande son géniale.....Un grand bravo à toute l'équipe excellent ....
Kefnos des Dragons de Vaires pousseur de plomb ....🙃
Great form of presentation a battlereport! Please more!
Thanks Ralf! Stay tuned we have some cool projects coming up, age of sail, modern Afghanistan, ancients, and more!
Im a warhammer 40k guy but this looks awsome ! Nice board looks sic. Well done.
buddy, come over to the dark side of historical miniature wargaming!
Excellent game. Excellent presentation. Thank you! More please!
I wanted to add, that I would like to see aircraft worked in also.
Overall, I am very impressed!!!
@Blitz9H yes, our games are sometimes lacking in air support. We are working on some projects soon that will feature it prominently. Thanks for the view and comment.
@@LongShotWargaming Difficult to have all facets. I understand completely. I thoroughly enjoy this! No criticism, just enthusiasm for more!
Best battle report I have seen great job
I love battlegroup! Great battle report.
BG is my favorite WWII tactical rules. Gread video. Thanks!
In our opinion Battlegroup is the best rule set for that scale and period. Great mechanics and fantastic supplements. Which period and scale do you play Michael?
@@LongShotWargaming I have DAK, German 2nd Panzer and Canadian 4th Armored. I was recently given a US force. I'm currently configuring it for BG. I haven't played in a while as I moved last year. Still looking for local opponents, If you know anyone in the Tehachapi CA area. Let me know. :-)
I also like Blitzkrieg Commander for larger scale battles.
That is a nice collection. The Canadians would make a great Falaise Pocket game. All will be well suited for battlegroup! Unfortunately Cincinnati Ohio is a long way from California so i wont be much help in the opponent department.
@@LongShotWargaming Alas, I'll keep looking. Cincinnati is a bit of a drive. Until I find a group, I'll have to game vicariously through your videos. Keep it up.
I like the big table. Lots of open space to get the use out of German guns. That is their advantage. Some games the tanks are lined up like Napoleonic's.
That is the best looking wargame board I've ever seen.
Very cool great job
A pretty good way to present the battle. I get the impression that you sacrificed some of the events to keep the report going which was not necessarily a bad thing. I rather think the German commander got it wrong though. Every time the German armour moved into the open it was annihilated and he seemed to eschew the idea of cover. I also wonder at the Tigers move down the left side of the tracks when it could have crossed to the right to get a flank shot on the tank destroyer and support its infantry.
I also wonder at the use of a single scout car. Normally they operated in groups or at least pairs for mutual support. The engagement with the Soviet scout car would have turned out a lot differently as a result. But meh! The Soviets won at Kursk anyway.
Отличный AAR. Приятно посмотреть и послушать.
I loved this more please
Great video. I can see why there's a gap in between your AAR's...the terrain shows it 😄
D E, thanks for the view. I would like to claim that painstaking terrain work is why our videos are spaced the way they are but two kids and a job are the more likely culprits. Stay tuned we have an age of sail video we hope to have out soon!
@@LongShotWargaming Ah yes, that does make sense as I too have two kids, so I totally understand :D
Age of Sail? Looking forward to it!
After watching the video, I thought it was really good! I especially love the battlefield. The only complaint that I had, was that the entire time, you were speaking in a monotone voice. If you had more emotion to your narration of the battle, it would be a solid 10/10.
Nice selection of whisky
Thanks, we are Kentucky adjacent, the bourbon motherland.
Great report guys. Battlegroup looks like a brilliant system. Hope to see more of it.
Thanks Craig! Battlegroup stands above, particularly against more popular rules at this scale and period. Give it a try! There are a ton of campaign supplements.
I've never been into table top preferring a game like Combat Mission instead over this which is basically this, but is actually animated. Still this was a good presentation that actually looks like the game in 3D.
Battlegroup is sometimes unnessesarily complicated but it is much better than flames of war for this scale of battles. Also great table and battrep
@Maciejze thanks for the view and comment! Battlegroup has its complexities but is the best representation in most cases. People have said they don't care for the complex indirect fire rules but i find them to be a pretty realistic representation of the feat that successfully calling and landing effective artillery, particularly in the 1940's. What other rule sets do you play?
@@LongShotWargaming I'm also playing Chain of command which is awesome for platoon vs platoon plus tank or two per side.
@@LongShotWargaming i also really like indirect fire rules. They are good representatiom and also have this ww2 vibe. I play 1939 invasion of Poland BG and Poles are sending runners for mortar/artillery support and always have to call fire for effect. Last game I destroyed my own ft 17 tank with mortar barrage :)
@@kamikaziu Chain of Command is in our queue but we haven't played it yet. I am excited for the opportunity to drill down to the squad tactics level.
@@LongShotWargaming You should definetly try it. It is fast paced and very unique how it plays.
Hey guys! We play a ton of Battlegroup in Columbus, Oh. At it for 5 years! Always great to see Battlegroup get some Publicity!
Rob thanks for the view and comment. We are in Cincinnati! do you play at a shop?
@@LongShotWargaming , this us. th-cam.com/video/S4KGfZjsarA/w-d-xo.html
We posted a bunch of our games on Allen’s TH-cam.
Brilliant rep. So jealous of your table.
Thanks!
You guy's should do board build videos. They look so good! My only question is how do you store your boards 🤣
Thats one gorgeous table
Thanks, it was fun to build and play!
Great stuff old beans once again wargaming well presented. Shared to Military wargaming
Thanks for the view/comment/share!
@@LongShotWargaming always a pleasure gentlemen
I think the bigger campain with the same result was played in 1943.
love it ;)
That was great.
Nice table again !
Thanks for the view/comment!
Engaging battle report; thank you!
Thanks for the view Joe!
Wonderful presentation. Recently moved from the 'Nati (Liberty Townshp) and its great to see more historical gamers based there. You guys plan on attending any of the local Con's?? ATC is an exceptional convention up near Dayton. Eager to see more from the basement...
Scott, thanks for the view and comment! Believe it or not i'm relatively new to the hobby and have never attended a gaming convention. But, i plan on attending many. Next year i would like to hit the big ones, Historicon, Adepticon etc. But its interesting to hear about a "local" convention. Sorry to hear you've left the Queen City, we're always looking for players!
This game looks very fun
Those stugs are cute 😍
Nice table and super miniatures but, notwithstanding setup concerns, could we know if those are T-34/76s, or /85(43)s...! ah- look like /42s. If not the latter the Pz V and VI should dominate the steppe if properly handled... but the table is too small to allow their range advantages to properly manifest (what is the scale distance corner to corner please?). Anyway, which units are being represented, eg the SS Pz Corps or the wehrmacht..? This is meaningful as the battle groups seem a bit arbitrary. On the setup/scenario, there can be little doubt that the Kursk battle was essentially a set piece breakthru vs a prepared defence not a meeting engagement.. Where is the soviet wire and trenches...? And where are the 76-mm AT guns? Most important, the Kursk battle was decided by contested control of a topographic feature, the ridge that the SS Corps followed towards the state farms. Without terrain features and a huge table, the german armour cannot be represented fairly, or use its range advantages to advance methodically... anyway, enjoyed the vid thanks.