RANKING cEDH DECKS BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COMES NEXT
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Oie. Dylan’s test hand shorts have been awesome. Please continue them. Thanks.
Something you forgot to mention is that with Survival of the fittest you can search for devoted druid, and then use it to search for Hazel's Brewmaster, making it a 1 card combo for inf green.
I never even thought of this...time to add it!
You can also Eldritch Evo devoted druid into hazel 🧐 that's honestly sick
Yuuuup. Have this in my TnT along with culling rit.
@@itsmelessa505 better even in tassigur
Survival + devoted + Hazel = 3 card combo champ
Yeah Nexus of Becoming is sick in my Karn deck
Surprised you watch this channel
@@Soilwork-ri8wn kyle is pretty big in the cEDH space. He's been on a lot of the top shows and is on some deck discords
I don't think your video was plagiarism people overreact imo
Cheeky big Karn, love it!
@@Soilwork-ri8wntheyve had him in the channel
Best cEDH content content on the platform right here.
Some food for thought: Rograkh is red because it was just designated red, but it could've been any other color. While it would be grossly out of pie in blue, and probably a break in black as well, I could definitely see a green or white Rograkh, with different text (not that anyone plays Rograkh for the keywords).
In a world where you also had access to a green and a white zero-mana partner, which one of the three do you think would be best?
That’s really fun
Nothing better than finishing up my daily stand up call and transitioning from that monotony to some good cedh vibes with my boys
glad im not the only one lol. esp 8am on a friday
Tymna Kraum is the Mario of CEDH. You heard it here first
Ahahaha
Amen
This is a refreshing, fun and creative video idea. You guys are fantastic!
Surprised no Ob Nixis everytime I look that fucking deck is crushing me
Just troll pick clerics and you’ll never be pinged
I'm also surprised. In my playgroup I've been crushing kinnan, rog/si, rog/thras, tivit, and yuriko with ob for a few weeks now. I feel like ob is in a great spot right now.
@@dominicyanez7960 I feel like it’s extremely efficient on what it does so you are generally getting like a 1-2 mana 3 impulse cards which is crazy plus flample is always terrifying and now that copies aren’t as good you don’t have to worry about them swinging out at you with a copied ob
@nickbradburry5187 it is! I typically just mull to a t1 set up a dmg engine then t2 ob and it just plays itself. It can win out of nowhere early and grind out that mid to late game through beats. I've been loving it lately and think more people should revisit it post ban.
My friend plays Ob Nixili, Captive Kingpin in casual. We've gotten very wise about removing it quickly haha.
Hey Cam if you ever want to chat about rog/thras feel free to reach out! I'm the player that got top 16 @ the boil on it. Got a friendly and helpful discord for anyone interested in the deck as well.
I play a weird version of this deck can u post ur discord
I wanna see what u play
@@samuelchen4847 I can’t post links, you’ll have to look around for us
Hey,
i play a turbo verion of that deck - which performs quite well. Just wanted to check in on alternative thoughts. Do you at least have the name of your discord? Could not find it via google. Thanks!
@@vietanhnguyen1173 I’m sorry, I keep trying but if I give you too much instruction on what to google it gets removed.
Post ban I have been playing rograkh ravos soultender as my cedh list. I am very surprised no one has discussed about land destruction for cedh, let alone the interaction mardu provides in comparison to grixis. The defense and the wide removal that most red land wipe cards do can devastating.
I agree on Mnemonic Betrayal in RogSi, it seems good but it's always just a dead card when I draw it. I should cut it from my list as well
It's really good with wheels, but you don't want wheels in RogSi
Maybe y'all can rank your favorite ranking systems in a future episode
I love shifting woodlands and pick up a copy every other month cause its so good
Ive started making a celestial toymaker deck and its been slammimg hard no need to combo just control and set up to drain
Well that's rude
@Derbograder lol yeah but with so much interaction it allows for a bunch of deals
@@SupremeMan249 Are you warning your pod about the way you are going to grab the victory?
Why would anyone do that ever?
@Derbograder lol yup, I'm not going to just sit there and be a menace for no reason XD
Is Cam's post-ban Magda list posted anywhere? I'd love to take a look at it for inspiration
The beauty of Tymna Thrasios is how flexible the shell is.
You could expect a Devoted Druid combo deck but get smacked over the head by a Turbo Hermit build instead.
I think esika is secret good cause the vigilance she grants to your stuff chipping in dmg and still holding blocks and untapped mana is pretty big value
Love your podcasts, guys. Was wondering if you guys could talk about some older commanders that lost favor and see how they'd stack up against the current commanders. Something like Tasigur would be cool to see explored.
Show tips from a viewer perspective I think that listing out the decks with names instead of pictures is much better especially when watching from a mobile device. Either way though keep up the great works for keeping everyone in the loop for Cedh !!
I had a few people recommend this so I'll give that a shot for next time, thank you!
Derevi is going to get a new combo with brightglass gear hulk. Pod derevi > brightglass grabbing led + petal > recast derevi and pod for auriok salvagers > bomberman combo for infinite mana > recast and pod derevi for emiel > infinite gear hulk triggers to get any number of 0/1 mana things> birthing pod to fairie mastermind and spell seeker. Funnel infinite mana to infinite draws and prevent loss with spell seeker.
I put a Glarb list together because I wanted an excuse to play dramatic scepter, and have it be good 🤣 it's plan C after Witherbloom Apprentice and Chain of Smog, and Thoracle/Lab Man plus any of the four ways to get rid of the deck. Dramatic Scepter is mostly justified in my mind because it lets me mill the whole deck with Glarb to win with Thoracle, or it lets me go infinite with Witherbloom triggers.
I know Dramatic Scepter isn't great, but it's been a pet combo since Paradox Engine was banned and I stepped into cedh. So having a deck that can reasonably run it as a backup combo that wins with both my main plans is enough reason for me to put a list together.
2 more absolutely perfect lists! ❤❤❤
Excited to see this Magda, lfg
"I took out Bowmasters because player removal is the best removal" is such a based take
i'v been winning with inalla. i feel like it's worth your time. I won a scrubland off a CEDH toury with it
Love the layout
A deck that we no longer see in the cedh format is Winota where did it go ? I am not a cedh player but I used to hear about this deck so much
22:59 tempt with discovery is same mana and is a (guaranteed) untapped land tutor.
Now that dock is gone, artifact decks can shine again.
can we get the Glarb Deck list from Dylan?
No Krarkashima mention 😢 Live by the coin.
Said the same thing they hearted my post as well
Speaking of "Out there" CEDH decks I've been piloting a sweet Chatterfang deck. Been putting up some good numbers too.
On the color discussion
I always think in terms of color pairs vs individual colors, and after Dimir, I will always pick Rakdos. I always feel like I'm able to generate just a shitload of mana in those colors. Where I would pick mimic probably 3rd, and I view blue holding that up more than green.
1. Kinnan
2. Tymna Kraum (super overlooked & underrated)
3. Tymna Thrasios (pretty telegraphed, “dies to removal” win com but not a lot of dead cards)
4. Tivit (mana crypt hurt the value engines a lot, but the deck still hoses all the green decks and hot take green is the absolute king right now in CEDH.)
5. Sisay (weirdly, not dead after all.)
6. Rog Si (fragile, turn order dependent, hard mulled against, hard targeted, but always a problem if not respected)
7. Magda (gas, but telegraphed if you know the deck, keep Magda off the board or don’t let her activate)
8. Tayam (more mana intensive but decent)
9. Najeela (honest, telegraphed, but the gatekeeper of top 10 usually)
10. Malcolm + decks (Tymna/vial/kediss/tana).
I'm confused, how does Tymna Thras lose to removal in a Devoted Druid loop? I can understand the Valley Floodcaller line or Displacer Kitten, but you can't really interact with the food or vehicle before it generates infinite mana. I'd swap Tivit and RogSi as well as TnT and TnK but otherwise I agree with your list
@ get rid of devoted when they target it with swift recon. Or in response to Hazel etb to target Druid in GY, swords, path bounce Hazel. To me it’s very dual caster Twinflame -esque… but in way better colors with more legs bc tutors the commanders are good. All on the stack. Yes if it resolves the game will surely end as does most any I win the game combos. Really a ton of interactable choke points. There was another tourney I had Magda fight over swift on the stack with d swat. Then Tymna Kraum drew from remora. Thrasios Had to burn fluster. Thrasios was out of blue mana Could also kill thrasios in response bc they can’t recast for a turn. I instead flash in hullbreaker and evoke an endurance… bounce devoted…
It’s a great reliable T1 deck for sure but it’s not broken or anything crazy. It’s very honest and fair.
Tivit is still the field general. Criminally easy to drannith, graffdiggers or cursed totem then all the green decks and Magda decks are squirming. Opp agent is still brutal the card advantage engines are a lot worse without crypt but tivit controls the board while locking everyone out of the game. Still a very easy stop 2 ppl from winning then win on turn 4 deck. I won a 20 person event in the finals on turn 2 this past Tuesday going last, worse case scenario vs Rog Si, Tymna Thrasios & Kinnan… but Tivit generally eats those decks for free.
Weirdly Tivit struggles with Tymna Kraum due to the speed disparity. It’s basically an esper control shell with breech & thoracle win cons, and card advantage in command zone. So it’s able to squeeze underneath it. I think a lot of players are doing shiny new toy things right now. I think Tymna Kraum could start main decking cursed totem and start getting those results vs the decks that caught back up.
Kinnan over farm is diabolical. Farm is definitely the best deck, by far
Sowing mycospawns abilities are also on cast, so you'd get the land before it even resolved.
I think Glarb still needs some work, but it has potential. There's a lot there. When I realized it was a Frog for Valley Floodcaller, I was sold
Been playing Stella lee, wild card ever since it came out and haven't looked back.
I don't play the deck so what do I know, but I feel like Gornog giving your warriors evasion and pumping them up is a nice little boost for a more traditional Najeela list.
esika can be played as the prismatic bridge out of the command zone making it 10X better than just a three drop mana dork
Someone in my cEDH playgroup plays Stella Lee, wild card and its the scariest deck ive seen in my friend group but we are new to cEDH, however i surprised she wasn’t mentioned in this video
Esika/Bridge is a good 5c pile because of the fixing.
Get 3 mana, suddenly all your creatures are Birds of Paradise! That effect is VERY good in a value NBC style deck. It's also super unassuming. Technically it can ritual if you have enough creatures without sickness when you cast it! It also means you can run less dorks/rocks than you would have and more value creatures that become broken because they are then also mana dorks.
It's not comon but ou can also make it 5c polymorph style deck without having to run polymorph cards, but that's COOKING.
Even something like valley floodcaller is insane with esika if you untap with it. All your noncreatures are suddenly 1 COLOR PIP less.
@verzun8470 I feel like, turn 1 dork, turn 2 Esika, play land puts you on ad naus mana on turn 3 if you hit your land drops with no rituals. I think that's actually something. Play out your 5 mana then see if you can just ad naus with good timing.
To me, people underrate getting consistent access to mana.
@@matthewherrmann9526 This 100%. More consistent mana = easier mulligans = more games with more cards in hand = more wins.
I won a tournament and top 4(ed) another in the last month on Yuriko. Rog/Si seems to remain local boogie man and I’ve seen a lot more T&T lately. Not a lot of other decks on White. Devoted Druid got me in Round 3 after a I lost counter spell war over my Cursed Totem. I was still able to pull out the win next Round for 1st place, 😀. The only other Yuriko player in our area switched over to Talion. Still a few holdouts on T&K after bans. I wonder if my local meta is much different than most.
18:27 spoken like a true storm player. You either win with a massive boom, or fizzle out and reset for next game. No backup plan necessary, if you can't see the big boom it's not worth it.
I love Magda right now. Been very consistent for me. Especially since blood moon is viable stax plan right now. Also play Grixis pirates which is still decent but definitely still a little slower.
would you play flare of denial with thrasios and tevash since we make thrulls to sac I'm not seeing it in the list but to be fair the list hasn't been updated in 2 months, its post ban though cause no ban cards are in the list. also how good is it? I switched from Rog si for the green 🤷♂
Needs more krark-si 🤨 (the deck is insane rn and I hope Cam gives his old list a re-vamp and tries it again!)
Damn, my beautiful baby sloth Tayam didn't get to make the list
Do you think ghyrson starn manual storm will be somewhat viable in the current meta?
Displacer kitten puts IN WORK.
No Yuriko, no Krirk &Sakashima?...
yuriko is especially surprising, i think if esika and glarb werent wasted as spots then both yuriko and blue farm should have been on the list and then krarksaka as the honerable mention
No Stella either. She’s still putting numbers in. 😢
Is workshop yet playable in Magda? Idk if it ever was or wasnt but whenever i see big 6 mana artifact i wanna play it
If you guys need some Derevi Experts to talk to, the Birdbrains Podcast is a great start ;)
Serious question, how do you win with Derevi? I have been researching but I don't find an efficient way to do it.
Finale of Devastation
Even though I've played Magda for 2ish years, my friends will mis time certain interaction points due to the layering on some combos and stax pieces. This is something people always forget on real gameplay. Yes, a+b combos like consult thoracle are better. Magdas are much more layered, kinda like sissy but not as much.
1.U
2.B
3.G
4.W
5.R
Saw Esika/Prismatic bridge list with only mdfcs giving you Balustrade Spy lines like if you had hermit druid lines. Which also opened for other cards benifitting to not having lands in your deck. Still doesnt seem better than dork 1 esika 2 adnaus 3. But interesting still.
I love Glarb.
Glarb is good
Esika? Isnt that the prismatic bridge??
Is Rog/Tymna a thing at all? I know Dihada is the queen of mardu atm but it’s the Rog combo that I didn’t see in this list
Glarb is number one in my heart though
I really hope you see this, Cam.
Cam!
CAMMM!!
Hey man, a friend of mine who mostly plays casual entered SCG Columbus (120 players) w a pretty unique build of ETALI!
And WENT UNDEFEATED🤘🤘🤘🤘
He beat Sam Black(on Rog Thrass) in the finale
5 wins 2 draws 0 losses.
W post ban Etali!!!!
Seeing Derevi on a top ten cedh list brings a smile to my face
Esika is secretly just a naus deck. A dork and lands garentees you can cast naus on turn 3
Me, still trying to make atraxa work because she's my fav...lol
No bloodpod?
I’d be interested in seeing Dylan’s RogSi list, I’m thinking of putting RogSi together and want to gather as many lists as possible before actually building it. Is there a way for me to find it somewhere?
Should be on moxfield
Look at his moxfield
Sneaky Tarmogoyf on the start of the podcast, Cam never gives up Jund
What do you guys think of inalla rn?
36:47 glarb => tassigur ❤❤
Brewmaster seems fun in it. And I already like the
sacrifice, energy tap, metamorphasis and pod junk into horror or broodlord type wins.
Also doomsday can always be cracked.
Tymna Kraum is very resilient to stax
Malcolm Vial is very strong and resilient in winning
Where would you all put yuriko. Asking as a yuriko main.
Lake Compounce, hell ya
My Tivit heart is crushed.
Off meta 100%
@ Tivit is off meta?
@ sadly we don’t see many anymore , little entries at the boil and the European championship, no tivit pilots at top 16
@ mana masters top 4 😎😎😎
@ I’ll get there
floodcaller combo goes inf mana and draws your whole deck with thras
How?
Hey guys, how do you feel about Baylen in the meta?
I agree with rogsai. It used to be a problem and have to mull for interaction and early rhystic to hopefully dig for interaction. Now with a later rhystic it makes you have to mull. No dockside so can't even try to win on the back side with a clone. Bye bye atraxa. It was fun, back to tnt I guess. 😅 ooooor rogsai
Did anybody from play to win thats reads this I want y'all opinion on Stella Lee
One of you should become a Tayam player
But what about Tivit😊
NO WAY WE GOT FUCKING ARG FORCE OF NEGATION ON A PHONE BEFORE GTA 6
Where is yuriko?
Surprised no Yuriko
Thrassios Tevesh is a deck I ran into at a tournament that I fell in love with immediately. (Still my #2 to Jeska/Ishai)
Tevesh makes bodies that makes cradle bigger, gives card advantage by saccing them, and sometimes you just get to the ult and steal their combo commanders. You’re in thrass+black so you’ve got the good tutors and can run the brewmaster line. Because you’re not a tymna deck you don’t need to run attacking creatures.
No ob nix and no yuriko seems crazy to me
No zur?
Krark saka?
Kinda want your take on y they weren’t on the list but hello
SHOUTOUT BRISTOL CT HOME OF LAKE COMPOUNCE!!!
18:13 ye you're playing it incorrectly, it's best player alongside wheels. But obviously wheels are bad in RogSi so just play something else
One thing to note Cam is that mycospawn puts cradle straight into play, even if you already made your land drop this turn. It also feeds the cradle so immediately you get one mana back off the cradle. Odds are you have at least Roger in play, if not more creatures , more often than not after Mycospawn put in cradle, you are mana positive
No Stella Lee I cry
I love the new ranking format, but just having the pictures up instead of the names, makes it harder for me to keep track of. Maybe because I don't really look at the art, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Putting tnt 4th is mad salt
No flubs :(
I think Inspector Gadget 2 was better than the first
So is Tivit just old news or no longer relevant anymore?
Eiska is good bc of the back half lol
I still play tivit
Yeah, red is not that good now. The creature copiers like Heat Shimmer were very good by themselves before the bans, and were part of a combo. But now they way worse, so heavy red lists lost card quality and winning lines.
First on release