Just to strike a balance with those who hate rider aids, i am returning to riding after 20 years being off a motorbike. These aids were not around when I started, but now you have to look at them as a way of making riding safer. Sure, you can handle a bike like that, but one day you may just realise that you have overcooked it on a corner and now your life depends on the cornering ABS to prevent you from sliding under the truck in the oncoming lane. Take these electronics as they are, aids for your safety. You probably won't need them, but one day you may thank them as they helped you out of a tight spot. All the bikes I test ride had similar electronics, so I am pretty sure you will have a hard time finding one without them. You can turn them off if you really feel you need to, but for me, knowing that a computer is watching everything I am doing and can assist and maybe prevent me coming off.... I a! All for it.
I absolutely agree with u. Had my life saved by the ABS on my D390. emergency braking at 120kmph, came down to 15kmph in just a couple of metres. without that I'd have surely skidded, or hit that fecking truck that switched lanes with warning. u can never predict on road what might come at u. and these systems work on physics, doing thousands if not millions of calculations per second. not even the most experienced rider can do that amount of calculations in a sec.
I have a SAS and i hope i can get my brain to understand braking full force with the front brake in a corner, because it's so heavily ingrained to do the opposite! Amazing system for sure.
I have the 1290SA with cornering ABS, and like all the Rider aids it works well, but...looking forward I’m a little concerned about the impact of these technologies on people who aren’t even riding yet. I’m fairly competent, and have been riding for almost 40 years, but of course I learned to ride in days when you had to know how to control the bike in emergency situations, and as nice as cornering ABS is, if you don’t know what to do in an emergency there’s a risk that you’re relying on technology to make up for poor or bad technique, and it could be dangerous. I also have HHC and it’s fantastic especially when I’m fully loaded with hard panniers and a 60L soft bag.
ABS saves millions upon millions of dollars worth of accidents. I would bet that failures of something like abs would be miniscule compared to the number of drops saved. I dont have data, but there is a reason abs became mandatory. Also, I have read that people with abs are confident at braking as hard as the tyres will allow while those without tend not to brake as hard for fear of a wheel lock.
and airline travel has literally never been safer - your point? Machines are much, much better than humans at handling both simple and complex tasks (for which they've been trained).
@Ronan Rogers - I agree but the alternative is having people crash. This safety tech is starting to become standard though so having riders rely on them isn't such a big problem.
The control described in this video works really nice, especially as mentioned for short riders on tall adventure bikes. BUT Please don't make it now an excuse to make them taller.
I have an s1000r, and it has all the electric aids. Have heard of instances where these aids fail, and reality is that would be catastrophic. If anti wheelie were to fail the thing would loop very quickly, unless there are skills to detect and react to the failure where there is an expectation it will work. Got to practice the skills. Problem is I need a PhD in engineering to switch stuff on and off on the BM...
The question is why is every electronic feature mandatory? Why is every feature come after little to no market demand and with no option? Why isn’t there a Mechanical only line? Even if it costs the same I guarantee a large and obvious market would go strait for it even if it cost more.
I guarantee that the marketing people have done their homework and that the number of people that are interested in the electronic features outweighs the purists who would rather crank start a bike. Just think of the new Philips toothbrush with Bluetooth and position sensors... On top of that, there are also legal issues. As a manufacturer, it makes no sense to have electronics built for added safety and then sell a "less safe" version of it. I am sure they would rather have people not needing the electronics ridding with it than people needing it ridding without. You can always go buy an Ural!
KTM not guaranteeing the electronic aids is a deal killer. KTM should configure the bike to default to full mechanical function should the electronic aids fail and the dash go to basic functions=more sales. Or KTM can just go to the best and get reliable electronic aids built.
Would be cool if they could built like an adventure 1290 and call it the x model with no electronics, i love the ktm 1290 style and performance package, but i hate the drivers aids on it and i wish they would offer it without and lower the price . im sure many people would be very interested in buying ome like that
KTM has no guarantee on their electronic systems! I would like to own a KTM adventure bike at one time but I would never buy from a company that won't stand behind their machines?
So my dash died as I mentioned on the other post. What sucks is I bought this bike to go to Alaska and back next year. Now I have zero confidence with the bike. I think I may fix it sell it and go buy a Yamaha Super Tenere
They have issues too that they know about. Google KTM dash not working or etc. Tons of riders have dead dashes and KTM won't cover it even under warranty. Crazy.
My bike is 10 months out of the warranty. I was not expecting it to be covered. But then I was not expecting a bike 3 years old with 22,000 miles on it to die! Maybe the problem is all the computer BS. I've owned a bunch of bikes over the years with a whole lot more miles and years older never had a breakdown comparable to this.
@@bikeryder757 electronics of all kinds are specifically excluded in their warranty. It's insane. A lot of people have complained because they didn't know that and if course came down with electronic issues.
Oh you want to use the quickshifter on your bike ? pay us to unlock that existing feature. Oh you want heated grips ? pay us to activate that aswell. Why launch control yes your motorcycle has that aswell ! but you have to pay to use it im afraid... KTM in general
ABS is good on bikes but I don’t think I want any more intervention. I hate cars with that electric handbrake and now they want to stick it on bikes. To apply it he had to roll backwards.
Living in third world country in South East Asia, there's no way zi want to spend so much money for a bike with no premium feature such as electronic rider aid. We have very different mindset regarding bike here in SEA, which we see as a daily necessities (with shitty public transport and low income to buy cars) instead of leisure object.
These bikes will make a lot of riders with very poor riding skills.... the beauty of riding is controling that mean beast with no electronis at all, and learning to rides the pants of it, that you will never learn on a playstation bike.. I have been riding for 30 years and have loved the learning and tweaking of riding, my bike for the last 11 years is a ZRX 1200R, no electronics, no ABS, and carbs, for me, that is a pure motorcycle
I enjoy my 1290 SAT. Great bike ton of fun! Sadly on a recent Cross country trek the electronics died. Fortunately the bike still ran without the dashboard working. Waiting to hear back from the dealer!
@@hansenallan84 the whole dashboard needs to be replaced. The service guy said it's not going to be cheap! He was still waiting to hear back from KTM before he could give me a price. The factory warranty expired last October. It has 22,000 miles on it. This is ugly! A great bike ruined by crappy electronics! Rather disappointing to say the least. I was going to buy a KTM dirt bike I think I will go with a different brand in light of this
Saved me on my s1000r when I hate to pull up on a greasy newly wet road, trying to keep up with faster riders on faster bikes (apparently my s1000r is slow, in certain company). Worked brilliant.
Can’t stand this electronic. Before buying my super adventure I made sure I could turn everything off. Otherwise I would have not purchased it. It is very annoying that I have to turn all these systems off every time I turn the ignition on. It’s be better if it stayed off, or even better if you could order it without all these stupid systems.
Shame they can't do R&D into why there electrics fail so easily and can't even take a splash of water. I also thought they would do more R&D on the engines as the are so phone to failures and the running temps are absolutely ridiculous. If it gets where you need to go no dought your legs are cooked like kfc chicken. TRUE STORY Me : The dash is missing info and displaying the wrong fuel level. Dealer : Have you washed the bike recently. Me : yes why ? Dealer : there's your problem I can book it in to have it replaced. Me : so I bought a £4500 bike that can't be washed or get wet. Dealer : pretty much yeah I can get it in next Tuesday. They didn't even touch it and sent it back claiming it was fixed and had a new dash. IT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AND STILL HAD THE OLD DASH. It took them another month to sort it and as soon as they did I sold it and took a loss. It had in total 10 problems just with electrics and the engine in 2000 miles and 8 months of ownership. 3-4 of those it was in the garage. For reference the bike was always dry stored and never riden in the wet unless it rained while out and it was always kept clean and maintained. still a piece of s**t KTM = KEEP TAKING MONEY
What bike? I never had any troubles with washing my bike. Your dealer is a moron. I power wash my 1190 Adventure and had zero problems. The adventure had a fuel level problem, if i ever get it, there's a diy solution for it.
The electronic aids prevent people from learning the necessary skills required to handle a bike. So somewhat nice to have and somewhat counter intuitive. I ride the 1190r and am forever switching all the gimmicks off - 1. because I know how to handle my own machine and 2. because it reinstates them after every engine start. How annoying. At the end of the day, this is all a very expensive marketing ploy and if you were to race or hit a proper trail you would not want these aids interfering anyway.
The electronic rider aids dont prevent people from learning the necesary skills, they take those skills and give it to a computer to perform perfectly 100% of the time.The MCN has a great video on youtube about it. 3 riders, 3 non abs tests, 1 with abs here are the results: 80mph: Non ABS 1: 92 meters Non ABS 2: 59 meters Non ABS 3: 66 meters ABS : 42 meters There is no question that without abs you're not only inconsistant, but even the best rider there has 6 car lenghs difference with the abs rider.Youll have crashed 6 times before the abs rider because "you know how to handle your bike".Not to mention that the abs will always do it in 42 meters.No matter how good you know how to handle your bike youll never be as good or as consistant as an abs system.And that goes for all rider aids. (Also in Moto Gp they use traction controll)
Who the fuck is dropping bikes due to lack of hill hold assist? With a dedicated peddled for a rear brake there is absolutely nobody who should be struggling with incline starts on a motorcycle - if you are you probably shouldn't be riding a bike. lol.
i hate driver aids and sorry all this lot on a bike will just stop me buying 1 of these bikes, riding/racing and still doing track days to this day for over 30 years i would never touch a bike with driver aids everyone to there own some will love it i hate it i certainly dont need a computer to dictate how i ride a bike. sorry KTM you lost my custom...
too much electronic means system is the rider but not the human... Only thin I want is emergency brake...if a dumb human crosses the street without looking then the system must predict crash and apply required break...same from rear.. apply throttle
Nidhin David not a good idea if you are sitting relaxed in a neutral position on the bike any sudden unexpected acceleration or deceleration will send you tumbling off the bike or pulling wildly on the handlebars either scenario wouldn't end well for you or the bike
The modern electronics that I would prefer on my bike would be modern led lighting and fuel injection THAT'S IT!!!! Why don't these companies understand that a motorcycle is not an iphone that people plan to buy new every year or two
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Just to strike a balance with those who hate rider aids, i am returning to riding after 20 years being off a motorbike. These aids were not around when I started, but now you have to look at them as a way of making riding safer. Sure, you can handle a bike like that, but one day you may just realise that you have overcooked it on a corner and now your life depends on the cornering ABS to prevent you from sliding under the truck in the oncoming lane. Take these electronics as they are, aids for your safety. You probably won't need them, but one day you may thank them as they helped you out of a tight spot.
All the bikes I test ride had similar electronics, so I am pretty sure you will have a hard time finding one without them. You can turn them off if you really feel you need to, but for me, knowing that a computer is watching everything I am doing and can assist and maybe prevent me coming off.... I a! All for it.
I absolutely agree with u. Had my life saved by the ABS on my D390. emergency braking at 120kmph, came down to 15kmph in just a couple of metres. without that I'd have surely skidded, or hit that fecking truck that switched lanes with warning.
u can never predict on road what might come at u. and these systems work on physics, doing thousands if not millions of calculations per second. not even the most experienced rider can do that amount of calculations in a sec.
Totally agree!
I have a SAS and i hope i can get my brain to understand braking full force with the front brake in a corner, because it's so heavily ingrained to do the opposite! Amazing system for sure.
I have the 1290SA with cornering ABS, and like all the Rider aids it works well, but...looking forward I’m a little concerned about the impact of these technologies on people who aren’t even riding yet. I’m fairly competent, and have been riding for almost 40 years, but of course I learned to ride in days when you had to know how to control the bike in emergency situations, and as nice as cornering ABS is, if you don’t know what to do in an emergency there’s a risk that you’re relying on technology to make up for poor or bad technique, and it could be dangerous. I also have HHC and it’s fantastic especially when I’m fully loaded with hard panniers and a 60L soft bag.
That's what's happening with airliners today, pilot learn on computers, fly in flying computers, when something bad happens, hundreds die
ABS saves millions upon millions of dollars worth of accidents. I would bet that failures of something like abs would be miniscule compared to the number of drops saved. I dont have data, but there is a reason abs became mandatory.
Also, I have read that people with abs are confident at braking as hard as the tyres will allow while those without tend not to brake as hard for fear of a wheel lock.
and airline travel has literally never been safer - your point? Machines are much, much better than humans at handling both simple and complex tasks (for which they've been trained).
@Ronan Rogers - I agree but the alternative is having people crash. This safety tech is starting to become standard though so having riders rely on them isn't such a big problem.
@@WickedTRX Wtf are you talking about.Ofcourse they wont give them multi million dollar planes and risk their life and life of instructors
The control described in this video works really nice, especially as mentioned for short riders on tall adventure bikes. BUT Please don't make it now an excuse to make them taller.
I have an s1000r, and it has all the electric aids. Have heard of instances where these aids fail, and reality is that would be catastrophic. If anti wheelie were to fail the thing would loop very quickly, unless there are skills to detect and react to the failure where there is an expectation it will work. Got to practice the skills. Problem is I need a PhD in engineering to switch stuff on and off on the BM...
brian glendenning I find it quite easy to turn on and off stuff on gs lc (: to me it's extremely user friendly
Or just read the manual and memorise the controls. Bet you're the type who struggles with texting someone on an iPhone too.
Love the super adventure S, weapon!
Motorbike Tourer, agreed. The best and most comfortable safe long distance machine out there by a long chalk.
Michael Mann??!! "Heat" 1995 was a great film. Congrats!!
icterio1 Thanks! My favourite was Last of the Mohicans 😉. Cheers, Michael
I rented the 1190 Adv several months ago. Great engine and suspension, especially for two up but three electronic gizmos quit along the way.
really neat tech. would be cool if they got it to last more than 2 years
Two miles you mean 😂
Looks like the perfect bike for a newbie like me! :P
Hey its the super adventure "R" , not the " S" at the beginning of the video. In the test is the " S"
You're absolutely right and I was ever standing right behind it! Although in my defence we used both the S and the R models. Cheers, Michael
Prefere as little rider aid as ABS..the only thing you really need...but that 1290 adventure R is awsome..
Both feet down completely! Wow!
The question is why is every electronic feature mandatory?
Why is every feature come after little to no market demand and with no option?
Why isn’t there a Mechanical only line? Even if it costs the same I guarantee a large and obvious market would go strait for it even if it cost more.
I guarantee that the marketing people have done their homework and that the number of people that are interested in the electronic features outweighs the purists who would rather crank start a bike. Just think of the new Philips toothbrush with Bluetooth and position sensors...
On top of that, there are also legal issues. As a manufacturer, it makes no sense to have electronics built for added safety and then sell a "less safe" version of it. I am sure they would rather have people not needing the electronics ridding with it than people needing it ridding without.
You can always go buy an Ural!
Brilliant video thanks guys
Why are they putting rider aids on a bike that most people can't use because most people who buy a KTM can already ride without them?
KTM not guaranteeing the electronic aids is a deal killer. KTM should configure the bike to default to full mechanical function should the electronic aids fail and the dash go to basic functions=more sales. Or KTM can just go to the best and get reliable electronic aids built.
Would be cool if they could built like an adventure 1290 and call it the x model with no electronics, i love the ktm 1290 style and performance package, but i hate the drivers aids on it and i wish they would offer it without and lower the price . im sure many people would be very interested in buying ome like that
Turn them off!!?
Very informative! Thank you!
great package but does that electronic package come under its warrenty?
These rider aids are fantastic to learn about. The new 790 is a mighty enticing bike
If you want to judge the systems without experiencing you'll sound like a fool....I'm using basic abs on my 690 enduro r and it's amazing.
KTM has no guarantee on their electronic systems! I would like to own a KTM adventure bike at one time but I would never buy from a company that won't stand behind their machines?
So my dash died as I mentioned on the other post. What sucks is I bought this bike to go to Alaska and back next year. Now I have zero confidence with the bike. I think I may fix it sell it and go buy a Yamaha Super Tenere
They have issues too that they know about. Google KTM dash not working or etc. Tons of riders have dead dashes and KTM won't cover it even under warranty. Crazy.
@@TheLogicalLowdown wow! Not even under warranty... That's crazy! My dash and reflash the CPU will cost $1,100.00.
My bike is 10 months out of the warranty. I was not expecting it to be covered. But then I was not expecting a bike 3 years old with 22,000 miles on it to die! Maybe the problem is all the computer BS. I've owned a bunch of bikes over the years with a whole lot more miles and years older never had a breakdown comparable to this.
@@bikeryder757 electronics of all kinds are specifically excluded in their warranty. It's insane. A lot of people have complained because they didn't know that and if course came down with electronic issues.
You're sitting there with the 1290 super adventure R my dude, almost the same bikes, but it says it right on the side i mean c'mon.
Oh you want to use the quickshifter on your bike ? pay us to unlock that existing feature. Oh you want heated grips ? pay us to activate that aswell. Why launch control yes your motorcycle has that aswell ! but you have to pay to use it im afraid... KTM in general
Just heard KTM is going TO BE making the 790 adv. In China
My 1190 lives with the TC off
ABS is good on bikes but I don’t think I want any more intervention. I hate cars with that electric handbrake and now they want to stick it on bikes. To apply it he had to roll backwards.
If ktm made bikes that weren’t orange id prob buy one. Yeah yeah I get that it’s your signature color but give at least an option
It has 1301cc, why is it called 1290?
Did you write Miami mice?😆👍🏍
All this aids are standard?
@1:47 Ilove that!
Living in third world country in South East Asia, there's no way zi want to spend so much money for a bike with no premium feature such as electronic rider aid. We have very different mindset regarding bike here in SEA, which we see as a daily necessities (with shitty public transport and low income to buy cars) instead of leisure object.
It’s not for you then? Thanks for telling us..
in the future they will be so advance that you dont need them to ride ;)
These bikes will make a lot of riders with very poor riding skills.... the beauty of riding is controling that mean beast with no electronis at all, and learning to rides the pants of it, that you will never learn on a playstation bike..
I have been riding for 30 years and have loved the learning and tweaking of riding, my bike for the last 11 years is a ZRX 1200R, no electronics, no ABS, and carbs, for me, that is a pure motorcycle
Thats just stupid.ABS saves life everyday
Its a 1290 r not s
i have romped with the 790 and still like the 390 a bit more, it's more playful and drifts with ease...
Hard brake corner it on a wet grass paddock see it work then🕳️
I enjoy my 1290 SAT. Great bike ton of fun! Sadly on a recent Cross country trek the electronics died. Fortunately the bike still ran without the dashboard working. Waiting to hear back from the dealer!
I hear you get no guarantee from KTM on electronics. Tell us how it goes!
@@hansenallan84 the whole dashboard needs to be replaced. The service guy said it's not going to be cheap! He was still waiting to hear back from KTM before he could give me a price. The factory warranty expired last October. It has 22,000 miles on it. This is ugly! A great bike ruined by crappy electronics! Rather disappointing to say the least. I was going to buy a KTM dirt bike I think I will go with a different brand in light of this
To bad they don't stand behind their product. They won't cover any electronics under warranty or out of warranty. Good luck. Fix it and sell it.
the 790 adventure is hugly and fat..that fuel tank..omg
you spelled beautiful wrong...
Yeah hugly is the right word...when will ktm make a swingarm that looks finished😦. ...never mind all the electrickry .....
Does the cornering ABS work in the wet?
Of course, it does.
Saved me on my s1000r when I hate to pull up on a greasy newly wet road, trying to keep up with faster riders on faster bikes (apparently my s1000r is slow, in certain company). Worked brilliant.
But not on a Tuesday 😂
I mean people in the 90s said that a helmet doesnt protect you so its no surprise people would shit on this...
Can’t stand this electronic. Before buying my super adventure I made sure I could turn everything off. Otherwise I would have not purchased it. It is very annoying that I have to turn all these systems off every time I turn the ignition on. It’s be better if it stayed off, or even better if you could order it without all these stupid systems.
Shame they can't do R&D into why there electrics fail so easily and can't even take a splash of water. I also thought they would do more R&D on the engines as the are so phone to failures and the running temps are absolutely ridiculous. If it gets where you need to go no dought your legs are cooked like kfc chicken.
TRUE STORY
Me : The dash is missing info and displaying the wrong fuel level.
Dealer : Have you washed the bike recently.
Me : yes why ?
Dealer : there's your problem I can book it in to have it replaced.
Me : so I bought a £4500 bike that can't be washed or get wet.
Dealer : pretty much yeah I can get it in next Tuesday.
They didn't even touch it and sent it back claiming it was fixed and had a new dash. IT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AND STILL HAD THE OLD DASH. It took them another month to sort it and as soon as they did I sold it and took a loss. It had in total 10 problems just with electrics and the engine in 2000 miles and 8 months of ownership. 3-4 of those it was in the garage.
For reference the bike was always dry stored and never riden in the wet unless it rained while out and it was always kept clean and maintained. still a piece of s**t
KTM = KEEP TAKING MONEY
What bike? I never had any troubles with washing my bike. Your dealer is a moron. I power wash my 1190 Adventure and had zero problems. The adventure had a fuel level problem, if i ever get it, there's a diy solution for it.
The electronic aids prevent people from learning the necessary skills required to handle a bike. So somewhat nice to have and somewhat counter intuitive. I ride the 1190r and am forever switching all the gimmicks off - 1. because I know how to handle my own machine and 2. because it reinstates them after every engine start. How annoying.
At the end of the day, this is all a very expensive marketing ploy and if you were to race or hit a proper trail you would not want these aids interfering anyway.
The electronic rider aids dont prevent people from learning the necesary skills, they take those skills and give it to a computer to perform perfectly 100% of the time.The MCN has a great video on youtube about it. 3 riders, 3 non abs tests, 1 with abs here are the results:
80mph:
Non ABS 1: 92 meters
Non ABS 2: 59 meters
Non ABS 3: 66 meters
ABS : 42 meters
There is no question that without abs you're not only inconsistant, but even the best rider there has 6 car lenghs difference with the abs rider.Youll have crashed 6 times before the abs rider because "you know how to handle your bike".Not to mention that the abs will always do it in 42 meters.No matter how good you know how to handle your bike youll never be as good or as consistant as an abs system.And that goes for all rider aids.
(Also in Moto Gp they use traction controll)
I just can't see my 2020 1290 R banked over and me not kissing pavement. I can take off faster without the lunch control on.
I've got no lunch control at all, and end up so heavy my take-offs are really slow. John
that 790 is a BARGAIN
Who the fuck is dropping bikes due to lack of hill hold assist? With a dedicated peddled for a rear brake there is absolutely nobody who should be struggling with incline starts on a motorcycle - if you are you probably shouldn't be riding a bike. lol.
no thanks
i hate driver aids and sorry all this lot on a bike will just stop me buying 1 of these bikes, riding/racing and still doing track days to this day for over 30 years i would never touch a bike with driver aids everyone to there own some will love it i hate it i certainly dont need a computer to dictate how i ride a bike. sorry KTM you lost my custom...
too much electronic means system is the rider but not the human... Only thin I want is emergency brake...if a dumb human crosses the street without looking then the system must predict crash and apply required break...same from rear.. apply throttle
Nidhin David not a good idea if you are sitting relaxed in a neutral position on the bike any sudden unexpected acceleration or deceleration will send you tumbling off the bike or pulling wildly on the handlebars either scenario wouldn't end well for you or the bike
KTM = KeeraTi Mee,,,,
The modern electronics that I would prefer on my bike would be modern led lighting and fuel injection THAT'S IT!!!! Why don't these companies understand that a motorcycle is not an iphone that people plan to buy new every year or two