Milwaukee 8 Problems Part 3 | MAJOR FACTORY DEFECT FOUND | Kevin Baxter - Pro Twin Performance
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- Milwaukee 8 problems found. Harley M8 Factory Defect Found. In this video we uncover why this engine was making loud banging noises for over 20,000 miles. We tear down this Harley Milwaukee 8 step by step. This is part 3 of a 3 part series. Harley M8 vs Twin Cam. Which is better? Is the Twin Cam Harley better than Milwaukee 8? Or is the Harley Milwaukee 8 better than the Twin Cam?
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As a Harley tech, I've had to replace a couple bottom ends due to stuff being left/dropped into crankcases. And whatever dealership this bike went to should fire their techs for incompetence.
you would have to fire them all. The best way to fix a Harley is to only use after market part and never let Harley mechanics touch it. Take it to a mom and pop place that cares about thier reputation.
@@hankjones2975 really makes me wonder wtf might be going on that I’m not aware of. I already feel like Harley Screwed me because i have a 2018 Softail Deluxe, Harley should have stepped up and corrected the Sumping and blow by issues (i don’t mean as they did for the 2020 owners but for those of us stuck with having to pay ourselves for the fix. I did replace my M8 107 insufficient stock oil pump with a screaming Eagle high performance Oil Pump, hopefully that corrects the Sumping issue. This here Ho we’re is unreal. Great Channel by the way.
Crank bearing housing in the case
As an owner of a '17 Road King, I hope you send this complete video to H-D because there is zero excuses for that sloppy work given what they charge us for the bikes. Great Job!!!
Made In America , Ain't What It Used To Be!!! Peace ;-)) 2013 RKC owner mine seems great 32000 miles. Fingers Crossed!! Shame on Harley!;-(((
Yeah yes you're probably right you'll find piston Oilers are plugged I'd almost bet on it
@@goldysmith6953 I just bought a 21 m8 roadglide, I hope quality control solved most all of the issues
@@AmericanPatriot-cw9xe I'm looking at the low rider ST and doing this research to know what I should do ahead of time to make it last as a long as possible.
RIP HD 1903-1999
H.D. owes this man a new bike.
They don't owe him a new bike. They owe him a rebuilt to factory specs Milwaukee 8 engine. Then it will be as good as new. Actually better because a single mechanic did the repair. The owner will walk away ahead of the game. Harley will add another blemish to their quality control tactics. Which looks to be missing in action.
agreed,,,new motor,,,,,,extended warrantee or not,
I would agree on that
😊 Omer
should not mater about extended warranty as fault was reported in original warranty period and not delt with correctly
Yes, but you have to keep the record of coming in with the problem . So many just lose the receipt , which they shops count on, Dodge tried this on my sons transmission problem, told him to come back after he put more miles on it to see if it "Corrected" itself. I've been through these issues before, he learned, he did it, they tried their game, but he had his documentation which = under warranty repair.
@@Wooley689 yeah we all lose our receipts so the wife doesn’t see it! 😂
@@jackedhorse There is a Harley Dealership here that has a sign at the parts counter......... "For a $10 tip I'll print out another receipt listing what you told your wife the parts would cost."
@TJF Denver I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A FIRST HARLEY. I AM VERY SKEPTICAL/LEARY OF THE MANUFACTURER QUALITY. AFTER WATCHING A VIDEO ABOUT THE 103" PROBLEMS AND NOW THESE ISSUES, I THINK I'LL STEER CLEAR OF THIS (H/D) BRAND. I WILL BE 64 IN FEB. AND JUST BOUGHT A 2012 CAMRY IN MINT CONDITION. BECAUSE OF IT'S NEW LIKE CONDITION AND BEING A "JAPANESE ENGINEERED" VEHICLE, IT SHOULD BE THE LAST CAR I "NEED" TO BUY. THE GOLDWING IS A "WISE" CHOICE. I HOPE YOUR '06 W/G HOLDS UP. CHEERS.
@@seymourscagnetti1413 Smart guy.
Sad the owner had to live with this issue for years. Happy that we had the opportunity to watch the teardown and troubleshooting process.
for sure sir. he figured months down in total.
@@KevinBaxter He should have been given a brand new bike.
As an owner of an M8 I was fascinated with the developing horror show. I don’t see how that much debris could have stayed behind after machining; it would have fallen out spontaneously during subsequent handling. I would really like to hear H-D’s response. If there was one employee who did that to one engine, he might have done it to more. A general recall of engines built around the same time might actually be in order and the owner should be given a brand new motor and vip tour of the factory (before lawyers get involved).
When parts get machined the machines spray a coolant of a kind on the tools to cool them off once it dries it’s actually really sticky if not washed off. It not falling out is fairly normal. See it all the time
Ask OLD dealer mechs on Facebook groups and forums about the stuff they found in Shovels during labor troubles! We love our bikes but the people building them are bored to tears on a good day at a factory not famous for great labor relations....
It would be interesting to see a follow up video of this engine firing up and running when you get it put back together.
Put a new Engine. Don't junk back
HD should give him a new engine. Like that will happen. But thats what he should get
He has extended warranty, that means he'll get a new motor
@@jamesmcroberts2257 The sad part is that Harley sticks their customer with the responsibility, and push them, to buy an extended warranty program knowing all along that their product’s QC isn’t what it should be to assure the customer a trouble free experience. The new product is overpriced to begin with. That’s why this MoCo is going to fail..... Things like this should have never got out the door with the regularity that it does.
@Mike JW What good is a mew engine when the design is flawed? I'm not saying HD shouldn't step up but this goes back to poorly engineered designs. Harley uses its customers as guinea pigs to figure out their own design and manufacturing flaws.
A new motor has no better chance of not having the same problem as the original new motor! When dealing with factory original problems it is often better to rebuild what you have instead of getting a new motor with the same problem.
It's just the roll of the dice..customer just happened to get the motor built by "that guy" at the manufacturer. Same problem at my job brand new car off the truck not even 10 miles on it and had 0 oil psi...the assembly line person left the packaging paper on the pick up tube! Lesson of the day...don't be the hack at work!
another reason why you never buy 1st year build of anything
Me pats my 2015 103 twin cam :)
It don't matter with Harley Davidson. It's been 4 years still not fixing issues.
Unless it's a Japanese bike 😉
@@dennisdethloff7467 JAPANESE FACTORY WORKER'S BREAK: CALISTHENICS.......AMERICAN FACTORY WORKERS BREAK: DOWN A "40 oz." AND SMOKE A JOINT. .....PLEASE DON'T ASK ME WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE VAN NUYS, CA. FIREBIRD-CAMARO PLANT IN THE 70's (WHICH, TO NO ONE'S SUPRISE WAS DEMOLISHED DUE TO POOR SALES).
Has nothing to do with first year of manufacture this is pure negligence of the machinist, QC, every worker who put a piece inside that engine, and any dealership who he took his complaints to that ignored him. I used to be an automotive technician and I’ve never seen anything like this on a car. I’m currently a machinist. If they do anything like we do for quality control it’s actually rather simple. A part gets run through castings first. After the cases are milled and ready to be built they go to QC but not before they are washed off. Then they go to another plant to be assembled. Then they get put through another QC
I actually called this issue in the first part because the only time I’ve ever seen this problem before was within the plant I work at. If the other QC catches something that’s the fault of our plant they send it back as a unit so we can see exactly what we fucked up and how to fix it. I’ve seen this one time doing what I do and the whole machining plant got an ass chewing from hell over it
That was like being in school.
Kevin is so darn talented, I wish I knew half of what he has forgotten. Thank you for these.
I also wish I knew half of what he knows
Have to say that am teally impressed with the investigated tear down and homest approach to finding the problem. Well done !!-
It’s no wonder Harley is losing market share
Yes. Very sloppy. Not like it’s an engineering problem. I’d be more accepting of that !
I would tell Harley to give me a fresh motor I wouldn't want that motor after all the heat that's been in it !
I’d rather have this guy rebuild it than have Harley Davidson give me another piece of junk. At least you know what you would have. He seems very competent. ,,, New doesn’t mean better when it comes to these engines . Specially in the first years of manufacturing
Wow. So the M8 engine design, build and reliability are certainly impressive, especially it's ability to continue to function, given the size and amount of shavings present from day one! Dare I say near bulletproof? Sad the same cannot be said for HD's QC and the low level factory technician(s) responsible for this engine build. Inexcusable...
It's a (mostly) good design; but whoever decided on the right side spark plugs should be slapped. They're a real PITA to get in and out, especially the front cylinder, right side plug and wire. Nothing should be that g'damn difficult; and the amount of dirt and debris that collects around the plug is insane. You absolutely have to blow it out with air before you take that plug out or you're going to get all kinds of shit in your cylinder
Just watched Parts 1, 2 & 3...Awesome series! Thank you for taking the time to film it and allow us to peek over your shoulder! 👍
You have it covered Kev. Hope HD steps up to the plate and give him a new motor. You’ve done well.👍🇦🇺
He'd be better off with Kevin doing the rebuild using seasoned cylinders than a brand new motor from the MOCO.
Stop, you don't believe in magic do you?
Fantastic series!!! You definitely havecshown the proper way to meticulously tear down and investigate!! Thank you for this series!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you sir....and i appreciate your support. Thank you.
Bet there's some HD executives congratulating themselves on the fact the motor survived a few, "they all do that", diagnostic failures untill the factory warranty expired.
Chalk one up for the Bean Counters.
A friend was considering a new Electraglide or a Gold Wing. I suggested the Harley..... I'm glad he disregarded me!
Not all are bad...things happen. its the response to it for 30000 miles that bothers me.
"If you can't have fun - Don't go to work" Love It!
Kevin, I enjoyed the series, good job and thank you. It's hard to believe the motor lasted so long with so much shavings left inside.
Watched this go on forever with a great number of mass produced items throughout time. Many one time owners of the AMF V-Twins often complained of manufacturing defects and poor build quality or ill fitment issues. Surprisingly, if the mechanical are pulled apart, and the bike reassembled in proper order and fashion, even the bastard children of AMF were amazingly trouble-free afterwards. Many run even better than the newer models now produced, even if they haven't all the bells and buzzers. Betting the client will be thrilled with your unraveling of his woes, and really happy he bought that extended warranty on his bike. Great job diagnosing this 30K headache.
Yes I agree with you,buy a late model twin cam for quarter of the price and build it right and still have money left over.
I know what happened! Harley-Davidson gave 5 guys on the engine assembly line there lay off slips and this is what you get PAYBACK
except the only one who got payed back was the customer.. the very guy/gal you want to return. Lax employees give themselves lay off slips.
This is so frightening owning a 2019 107 Street Glide what a bunch of guff after paying almost 40k for a machine and seeing this kind of workmanship! BTW awesome job on the videos very informative you have a new fan and subscriber
Cj Morris, the frightening thing is that you paid $40,000.00 for a 107 Street Glide. You shouldn't have paid near $30,000.00. I guess they sold you the gold plated version.
I wouldnt pay 12,000.00
I bought a 07 road glide new from my local dealer and had trouble with it from day one. I kelp taking it back to be fixed and was treated like I didn’t know what I was taking about. The last time they rolled it out from their shop saying nothing was wrong with it was the day I traded it in. The piss poor work that Riders Harley Davidson service department turns out almost turned me away from Harley. When I see Quality problems like this it really pushes my buttons.
It’s why I’ve never ridden one, I’ve always like water cooled motors so much for American build the best. My 1400cc BUSA and my GSXR 1000, ran like a Swiss clock from day one..there’s zero cross hatching left..
Excellent videos showing the truth! 👍! Getting blown off by dealers is typical, glad to see this problem exposed. Was looking at 2020 114”s...naw I’ll keep my ‘09 Ultra & ‘07 Roadster. Already fixed my compensator woes on the Ultra with a Baker comp.
Thanks my 2018 heritage has 27,000 miles so I was very interested in the issue. Thanks again
This was a surprise as I was a 20 year H.D. factory machinist and a engine and transmission repair man and a journey man millwright there and the amount of washing of parts between machining is very good but before you took it apart I saw that those were machining chips how that motor did not blow up is a shock . but I got my first look in the Milwaukee 8 as I retired in 2011 this video was just viewed Nov.1 2021 thanks K.B.
Thanks for commenting. I agree...the washing process is quite good. To a machinist, the first chip found told us what happened. I was surprised myself. I tried to express how rare this is to folks. Producing 250,000 bikes a year, anything is possible. I have seen some crazy stuff over the years. Just one of those things. All the best sir.
Can’t imagine what this guy.. or anybody would do if they didn’t have an extended warranty, and had to pay for all this.. while all the time it was a manufacturing defect..!!
Assembly procedure or preparation prior to Assembly
Love the videos. Thanks for posting it. No matter how “boring” you think something like tearing the head down might be, there are lots of us that would never see anything like that otherwise and we really appreciate the content.
You should get a hydraulic lift work bench so you can adjust the work height.
you're already in there... time to go big bore kit...with heads
Yep.Zippers 124”
That’s what I did.
when you spend lots of money on a "premium" motorcycle and it has a faiure of this type starting at relatively low miles, would you really want to throw lots more money at the motor? The factory should replace the motor and the owner can decide if they want to modify a good low miles motor not a motor with higher, hard miles. With the debris and heat this motor has seen, what original parts would you reuse? Oil pump, every bearing and seal, valves, pistons and rods all have seen "out of tolerance" heat. Metal chips have been circulating thru the motor causing accelerated wear along with 30,000 miles of regular wear. I would add load to a used and abused motor without more replacement parts than an entire motor would cost. Just my opinion but higher loads on worn cases and abused parts does not sound like a good plan
I was really interested in the new single cam engine. I personally still run a 99' Evo.
And I love it. Wasn't impressed with the twin cam at first, but after all the cam issues were figured out ...........
Thanks for the video. I do all my own wrenching. And it was a great learning experience to see this engine torn apart.
This engine was probably made on a Friday at 4:55 pm before a 3 day weekend. Lucky for the owner that they got the warranty. Glad I got see see the engine breakdown. I would love to see you rebuild the engine back to proper running order. Thanks.
Totally, a great break down by a real professional mechanic! we need more mechanics like this for the money that we spend on production line products!
By the looks of the shavings it was from the machining process. Had a bowl on a demon carb with the same thing once on a customer's car. Unfortunate that the customer has to pay for the manufacturer's mistake... I think you are spot on with your conclusion. Keep up the GREAT WORK! I appreciate your knowledge and that you share it with all. Also just watched the end, glad to here it will be covered under warranty.
MY 2017 CVO had the same issue at 27k. Very similar symptoms. HD was going to repair and I demanded a replacement. It was replaced and ran fine, When warrantee was about to expire at 30k, I traded for a new 19CVO. The new owner got a great bike for cheap with a fairly new engine. My 19 now with 30k has ran flawless. Thanks for the video. It explained a lot.
Glad I came upon this series-Props to Kevin Baxter for posting this. Very informative. Kind of impressed that it went 30K.
I stumbled across this because I was researching things for my my new Harley. I have sat fascinated by all three parts.
I understand the extended warranty being a good thing to have. But with that, since the problem has been noted to the dealership since time of purchase I don’t think that customer should have to pay for the fix if it was found beyond the warranty. Either way though. Good find find sir. And very glad the owner didn’t experience anything that would have left him stranded or worse yet, hurt.
After watching this m8 tear down as well as other videos I have seen on TH-cam showing broken cylinders and now loose head bolts and piston Oilers bolts on these engines , my third bike may be a 1200 sporty or indian
Great video!
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Great mini series! Thank you for taking the time to share.
Ok, you just called it. And I have to say. That speaks alot for the design and strength of this engine. Other than the heat issues. I can't believe it didn't tear everything up with all that trash in there.
I am personally impressed.
And shame on you H-D!
Good job, Kevin.
I think your title is a little misleading, though.
Gave me a first impression that you discovered a design defect, instead of a loose nut on the factory floor.
Wish I could find a great mechanic like u here in texas...
Oh yeah guys… you’re the cleanest
Mech/Tech show on the tube, if you’re called on something,, you tube should fire their censors.
Oh yeah great work & explanation!
thanks for showing this, makes me appreciate my panhead even more
This is my first introduction to you guys. What a series to start on!! Great content. Thanks!
Glad you enjoy it! Welcome!
Thanks for the tear down very informative. I thought for sure it might piston skirts. I once bought a new 2007 ultra classic, when they rolled it off showroom floor they heard rattling from rear wheel. When they took tire off rim there was chips in the tires. Big chips. Left in from factory. Amazing
Thanks for the video. Good tradesmen are hard to find and dealerships even harder. Never heard of such a thing but can imagine it missed the cleaning process after machining or sabotage
I’ll stick with my Twinkie 103
Kevin, great video. Thanks for taking us along on the journey. I'm very disappointed, but not suprised that this just simply came down to poor quality control of the machining and assembly. Definitely glad that this will get repaired under extended warranty coverage
HD definitely at fault.
When your Wrench says "Oh WOW!!!" Brother, you're about to spend some M.O.N.E.Y.
This Customer deserves a new motor. Period
Wow,, I got it. I thought that as soon as you said drill shavings. Unbelieveable. Oh well, that's the quality of workers today. Not you though. I do all my work myself because any time someone works on something for me they mess it up. Greatest video I saw ever. I, now, can work on an M8 if I ever get one. Thanks a lot.
Great video series. Yes I agree, this is definitely a factory machining "Missed the clean up line" issue. Completely agree with your diagnosis and logical conclusion. You would 100% expect to get material filings though out the entire oil and lubrication system form the pump through every single gallery and through the filter as well as some component wear. With Aluminium, you would expect to see that where in only areas that have direct rotational or linear motion and in direct contact with a harder material. There are only a few locations this occurs. Oil Pump, Bearing to housings, liffters, rockers.
Also Great tip on the oiler screws as well. Thanks for sharing.
When they drilled the case they did not clean it out properly they just built motor with the filing still in there
I've been thinking the same thing watching this.
Both informative and entertaining - Thanks.
Be very interested in hearing if Harley commented on the diagnostic/cause.... and what they intend to do to 'make good'.
I'm really paying attention since I have a 2022 107 M8. I'm engrossed in this Breakdown explanation and build. I'll make another run to the kitchen for Drinks and a snack, Heck it's a Real Thriller of a show.
I knew those chips looked familiar. Just like the floor of cnc machine. Sad such poor QC at HDMV
Still thinking not properly cleaned before assembly. It's really amazing that this engine held together with all the metal shavings.
Great videos! I wish we would had the cam rolling for an M8 tear down we did last week. Client has minor oil consumption concerns. 2017 out of warranty customer has us install big bore at 27,450miles. We found the 2 ring on the front piston missing.
Thanks for the video, it invokes a lot questions when I talk to the dealer. I run an 05 Road King Classic and 2012 FLHTK. I have about 40 k miles on each. Never an issue. But I must say that little 88 cu/in is my favorite. No comparison, the TK is a lot smoother, but that 88 puts a big smile on my face, the way it pulls the hills on cool morning is just awesome. Again, thanks for the education.
Wow awesome video and job great to hear that it wasn't a malfunction on the engine itself..👊👊
I'm just here to see everyone diagnose after the last video, especially those who are still wrong LOL Great content.
I think this shows 3 things.
1. the M8 is pretty durable(silver lining) and can operate fairly well under poor condtions.
2. Quality control during the initial phase of the M8 was awful, and this is just more evidence of it.
3. Dealerships need to stop being so jackassed about helping customers, and HD needs to put a rule in place or something to improve customer support.
Having this engine last this long with horrid metal waste in it, is impressive and also completely idiotic. This should have never happened. Impressive that it lasted 30K miles with little issue doing so but it should never have happened in the first place.
I agree dealers need to be more helpful, about this stuff, and some dealers are much better then other that's a fact!!!
I have been saying since 2018 that the days of hot air cooled motors are gone, full liquid cooling is the only way to go if Harley Davidson is to move forward. HD has been holding on to 1950's/1960's technology for far too long such as the big primary chain soaking in oil, pushrods, rocker arms, pushrod lifters, and shaking. There is no reason why a Harley Davidson should not run like a car or a Goldwing, this is 2021 right?
Now the release of the new Revolution Max engine in the new Sportster & Pan America appears to has designed all the problematic issues out of the engine's design that they had in prior formats. Full counter balancing, full liquid cooling and not just the heads, no pushrods, no big primary chain soaking in oil, injection and cooling oil system, no shifter clunk, and a refined ride. Now with this tech and thought out revolution max format HD can not go back to or continue to build current engines in the future.
Yeah but that's what I like about them,they are like an old tractor,I love it
I still think they are millings that were somehow left in the engine when it was assembled
It's what I thought in the beginning. Not properly cleaned prior to assembly. I had a similar problem with my 1968 XLCH.
I'm glad i've stuck with EVO motored bikes for the last 36yrs ,everything later has had more trouble than any EVO ever had . Twin cams had problems, M8 has problems, the only problem with evo's i can ever recall was the cam bearing when they went away from torrington to some other shit bearing in the 90s.
I agree! I love the EVO Motors.
Respectfully, 1995 Road King
Great information Kev! I learned a lot through your videos! Keep up the great work and info you put out🍻🤙🏼
Awesome! Thank you!
I love my M8... wouldn't trade it for anything. Gotta love a time-proven engine design that will run for 20K with a cup full of swarf in the cam chest. Unfortunate that it happened, very true, but still. Bullet proof motor.
Excellent viewing. Never ever had a Harley , so it was very interesting to see this strip down of this engine. Thank you for showing me the ropes.
thank you sir!
Much as i don't like newer Harley's, this is testament and quite amazing the thing ran this long, especially a motor with hydraulic tappets.
HD needs to make that one right. OK. Good he had the extended warranty.
HD Making that right is like asking the #MainstreamMediatoreportjustthefacts.
Sadly, he may have invalidated his warranty by taking it to an aftermarket shop.
He didnt.
Hey man. Great video series. I’m fixing to go into my 114 M8 to look for the source of a slight tick at 30K miles.i believe it’s slack between one of the lifter/push rod/rocker.
It was good to watch your tear down, before I tear into mine. Keep up the good work!!!
Totally I agree if you can't have fun at work 😂
Wow! Must of been built on a Monday after a holiday weekend lol. Great video. Thanks!
New years day
Got my attention right from the start!
Great job at finding the ghost in the machine.
Looking forward to future teardowns and buildup’s.
So in essence, no extended warrantee no coverage due to assembly shortcuts? Harley will fight to not pay re and re costs tooth and nail. Great American company at its best! Also now bike owners of the 8 motor will need to open and inspect there motors for piece of mind before there warrantees are up. Very comforting. Enjoyed the vids very open and informative, sadly a honesty that is not wide spread.
I once put a 350 Holley Carby and Dingo Manifold on My old1973 HQ Holden ( Australian!) and couldn't get it running at all...Turned out to be casting sand in the manifold blocking 2 cylinders!... goes to show you it's been going on for decades!
In 1974 w/850 Norton Interstate, I was performing 500mile service when she signed at idle. She was a cafe style and rode aggressively. Found the same machine curly q in crankshaft oil passage.
Shes a Dunstall runner now in somebody else's garage.
My 72 Sporster XLCH, busted 3 mainshafts in 3 months.
Just watched Parts 1, 2 & 3...Great series Kevin. Thanks some much for taking the time to make this series. Cheers
Thanks
Major recall by KIA same thing
Automotive and motorcycle both have the same problems. Glad he had extended warranty
Wow! Sounds more like the bad ol' days of AMF then HD. Glad the guy purchased an extended warranty, as you said, this is one of the the (few) times it paid off. Thanks for the tour of the insides of the M8, the last time I saw the inside of an HD was a shovel back in the 70s, they were a lot simpler back then.
I was going to trade in my Honda 1300 CTX Deluxe for a Harley Road Glide but after watching this, I have decided to Get a 2017 Honda GL 1800 Goldwing instead. Thanks for this video series!
I bought a 2000 Ultra Classic Electra Glide and after 7 years being stuck on the side of the road or Death Valley or somewhere else I got rid of it and bought my first Goldwing. I put a hundred and sixty thousand miles on that one and it was still running great when I sold it. I'm on my second Goldwing and racking up the miles and I've never missed a trip because of a mechanical on my Goldwing.
Great job showing and telling, I joyed watching see ya next time have a great day see ya bye.
Left over machining shavings crossed my mind but I said to myself no that couldn't imagine that . I worked in a automotive machine shop 40 years ago and after machining a block we re hot tanked it blasted every nook and cranny hot tanked again then blew out every port
And inspected before they went to assembly.
Yes, I also worked in the machine shop at the engine plant of a major automotive manufacturer - and by chance also machining cylinder blocks. Cleaning ALL swarf ("shavings") from all bolt holes, and especially the crankcase, was critical QC procedure. I can scarcely believe what we saw in this vid! 😳
Cheers from South Australia. 👍👍
Very informative and interesting video series. I have been watching your M8 videos as I would like to buy my first Harley but someone got very lazy at the factory. A few of the other dealers he visited should be looked into as well.
I found these videos enjoyable and interesting to watch. How that engine did so many miles with all that debris is beyond me. I would love to see the project continue. Thanks from UK.
Says a lot for the M8 design that it can run 30k miles with this problem. Doesn't say much for HD quality control or aftersales. I had a 2017 Ultra which had the same symptoms, clattering engine after 180 miles. Luckily the dealer replaced if for a 2018 that has run fine. Great video series, learned a lot.
After seeing such a massive quality control SNAFU, if I were the owner, I'd first thank this technician for the excellent troubleshooting and repair job. Then while driving the bike home from the shop I'd stop at an Indian dealer and trade it in for the new 2022 Chief.
Funny shop talk , always makes for a fun work place.
When the M8 motors were just coming out I was sent to get a load in Pennsylvania. It was an off site warehouse in an industrial area. They had the shipping area cordoned off and signs saying no phones or cameras. They had a team of people removing new bikes from crates and wheeling them over to a curtained off area and another team on the other side recrating them. All the shipper would say is they stopped all shipping, had any returned to this warehouse and mechanics were inside the curtain area fixing them. I did see a large cart go across with what looked like a number of crankshafts on it and another with clutch baskets. What ever was going on, didnt look too good.
Pretty interesting for sure...but not surprising I must admit. I never assume...but at least whatever the issue was, was caught and being addressed.
Enjoyed the videos. I would love to have seen the case tear down as well though.
I have a 17 road king with he M8. I was warned the early M8s had problems. I had issues with the transmission dumping oil into the primary which was fixed. The primary oil looked like a glitter bomb when off inside the case. The shift linkage bushings went bad making all kinds of noises. That is when the transmission problem was discovered so the warranty on the shift linkage covered the labor to install the transmission vent. I was experiencing a lot of primary chain slap and what felt like the primary chain tensioner slipping a cog or two. Harley was recommending 20-50 oil in all 3 holes at the time. Now they recommend gear oil in the primary and transmission.
I have a problem with the engine when it is first started. When I accelerate from a dead stop within the first few minutes of cold starting the engine starting it seems to hesitate. I'm not sure if there is a delay in the rear cylinder shut down thing or if something else is going on. There is about a 1 second drop in power which is awkward when turning left out of my driveway every morning. It feels like a misfire but it has never thrown a code. It is fine when it has run ten minutes or more. The techs claim they can't duplicate the issue. If I sit and rev the engine like a mad man before I start to pull out it doesn't do it but at 5:30 in the morning my neighbors don't appreciate my doing that.
Impressive production, even a cameo by Mr Clean.
I would have to believe someone put the shavings in the cam chest on purpose,great video 👍👍👍
I've got a 2018 ultra. Now I feel like I should take my engine apart to replace all these found problems now revealed with the M8. S&S has improved after market compensators with rubber dampeners to eliminate the metal to metal contact which makes a lot of noise. Also should get shorter piston oiler screws. Great video coverage.
Very good and informative vids! I really like how you explain things and show every step of the process.