VINLAND SAGA ~Book 2~ Read Along
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Do you prefer this style of presenting the panels or was last video easier to follow along with?
i felt this style was much easier to follow along and felt more like a discussion. big fan
I really liked this one. I watch on a pretty big screen, though, and whole pages might give phone watchers more problems 🤷
I like this one =)
I love this style, seems more in depth. Oh and btw, its AskelaDD
Definitely prefer this style
fun fact: it's the second times Artorius is nominated. When Askeladd swore the second time to Thors that he would honor their duel he swore in the name of his ancestor Artorius (the first time, before he got to know Thors and respect him, he swore in the name of his father).
Third*. Another in the first chapter when he agrees to duel Thorfinn.
@@vinhard5868 out here battling in these comments lol
The history in Vinland Saga is quite accurate, except for some story beats. Canute, for example, actually was in England during this time fighting in the war for his father. He was nothing like the Canute in the manga though, he spent his childhood being trained by the Jomsvikings and Thorkell!
The Christian vs Norse god stuff was super accurate. The Norse believed that the gods actually helped in battle and when the Christian’s won a series of victories, a bunch converted because it proved to them the Christian god was mightier.
If you want some fun reading of this, The Saxon Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell is about the Norse invasion of England. The guy is a master of historical fiction.
P.S. I know that series has a Netflix show. No it does not hold a candle to the books.
@@John-lo2wn agreed. I'm on death of kings. I saw all the tv show so far. The books are much better. The politics more realistic too.
Zeus and all those gods are just copied from the gods in Hinduism anyway
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 There is evidence that suggest that Greek gods have more connection to the Sumerian Pantheon than anything from Asia
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 They didn't. These mythologies are cousins, meaning they all had common ancestors, which got separated along with our languages during migratory events. In fact, you will find similarities between all gods in the world, even the ones you never heard of, which doesn't mean one came from the other. This is similar to how all primates are related, but they didn't come from each other.
It is kinda weird how you tried to make it about Hinduism even when no one asked you 😂
Thorkell the Tall was a real person that just loved warring and was apparently very good and enthusiastic about it. His historic entries end suddenly leading many to believe he eventually had a “happy ending”
Funnily enough he was also a Christian
@@arawn1061 many well known norsemans were Christians but believed in the old gods like rollo duke of dumandy
@@bamiyamoto8187 we dont really know what Rollo really believed tbh. I guess the same goes for Torkell den höge. The reason that the real Torkell fighting for England is that his men murdered the bishop of Canterbury in his own church, which scared him of either going to hell or he was afraid that he couldn't control his men.
@@arawn1061 It can *kind of* be extrapolated from Christian Missionary Strategies in the region, which are fairly well known. Missionaries told the Christian story as a continuation of the Norse stories. Conveniently, Ragnarok ends with the dawning of a new age. A single man and a single woman emerge from the safety of Yggdrasil and repopulate the earth. Missionaries just let them continue to believe in their gods, but "explained" that "Ragnarok happened many years ago and we are already in the New Age. Here's the story of what has happened since then. This Jesus guy was pretty cool, and we have some pretty dope shit."
So it's not hard to imagine these Vikings' general belief structure. Odin was BASED but he's long dead. All the Old Gods are dead. BUT there's a new god in town.
Missionaries didn't care overmuch about ensuring pure dogmatic accuracy, as long as tribute was paid and people called themselves Christians.
@@ANunes06 excellent explanation my guy. That is the feeling i got from Adam of Bremen and the edda aswell
Absolutely howling at the sheer amount of blades that were pulled out in this video, I love this channel
One of my favorite books, I love how it starts with a village getting raided and ends with a village getting raided. This book makes future books better, as well as future books make some of what happens in this book more understandable.
Edit: Ragnarok is such a important chapter
You gotta watch the anime too, it's beautiful
I really want to!
@@DanielGreeneReviews The music and art direction really elevates whats already great about the manga. I've noticed certain aspects that aren't really highlighted in the manga that well are emphasized more with the atmosphere the anime provides. The voice acting is amazing as well.
@@DanielGreeneReviews The OST is amazing as well as there being some anime only stuff (nothing major). S1 covers Book 1 - 4
@@TylerClear the OST is one of THE ABSOLUTE BEST OST's I have ever listened to.
@@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723 the same guy is gonna do the OST for season 2, can't wait
If you're really enjoying the series I highly recommend checking out the anime, Its really good
With Askeladd's apparent fascination with the Roman empire, notice how his breastplate is decidedly not of Viking make, but rather looks like one of the old Roman breastplates some officers would wear.
Just a detail ; )
On the note of Thorkel and Askalad, it reminded me of a quote from a Marine, I can’t remember where I heard it but it was, “If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck.”
14:41 I really like the dialogue right before he kills the messenger.
「まったく、おちおち黄昏もいらんねえな。」 (Come on. Dusk has not come yet for us.)
「はー」(Huh?)
「聞こえるか、ビョルン？ラグナログの足音だよ」(Can you hear it Bjorn? It's the footsteps of Ragnarok.)
*swings sword
That moment solidified Askeladd as Askelchad for me. He's a scumbag but he's our scumbag
It´s basicly like this: The characters were all more or less real, and the big historical events we are shown happened. But the the two don´t necessarilly belong together in real history. So Yukimura have taken characters from these famous stories of norse exploration (Vinland and Greenland Sagas and the Saga of Erik the red) and put them in a slightly different historical context in order to fit the story he want to tell with them. And it works because teh characters are essenially blank slates in the real sagas anyway.
I have started to look forward to these releases as much as releases to some of my favorite ongoing shows. It really is a pleasure to go through these with you.
Glad you're enjoying Vinland Saga Daniel! Just to piggyback on your "is this actual history?" question. You are correct in what you have heard, the large historical beats are accurate. King Sweyn (Sveinn, like, Sv-ei-nnn) also known as Sweyn Forkbeard in the 11cen. launched a massive invasion of England for the right to be its King (after becoming the King of both Denmark and Norway). Essentially he's Viking Napoleon, forging a massive Viking Sea Empire. Historically it has no real name, but Historians have dubbed it the NORTH SEA EMPIRE. This YEAAARS after the first invasions of Anglo-Saxon England (around 865) by THE GREAT HEATHEN ARMY, which legend says was led by the three sons of Ragnar Lothbrok (which you may know as the protag from the TV Show Vikings).
I did NOT know you're reading Vinland Saga! Man, you're in for a fantastic time with this manga. Got hooked on this back in 2014 and to this day no manga has surpassed it. For me, it's the greatest manga of all time. The art, characters, story and everything about it is incredible.
It is actually pretty accurate to the point that googling even some minor characters can lead to spoilers so be careful
London actually kind of was London even back then, it became an important city during Roman times
I remember learning that London Bridge was built (more like rebuilt from Roman times) because of the Danes, so the research was pretty thorough imo
23:23 I love that the ferryman comments on Askelad's surprisingly Welsh accent, it's a pretty subtle bit of foreshadowing most people I know didn't notice. But if you notice it then it's a pretty big deal.
I’m curious, do you prefer Berserk or Vinland Saga?
Berserk
Berserk but Vinland mc is way better than Guts. :)
Question of the century, hot damn.
*My best answer is: I prefer BOTH!*
*And they are on their own same level.*
Berserk all the way. To my mind it's the greatest manga ever created. Vinland saga is pretty cool though.
Merphy's one piece review and daniel's vinland saga's review! We're eating good fam!
I love Ylva, shes one of my favorite manga sisters
Also THORKEL, the icon, the girlboss
One of my favorite parts of this book is actually the Ylva chapter, where she's overworking herself to avoid the feelings until Helga finally gets her to stop for a second and they're able to grieve.
Vinland Saga is one of those manga where the anime is just as good and even adds stuff. I recommend checking it out with season 2 coming out in a few months
I adore English history personally. I love the interpolitics of various families, plus I'm English myself. I adore my countries history, I specifically learnt about medieval history, with most of my studies being in the 1100s to early 1200s. I did read up on what vinland saga is based upon and its as accurate as it needs to be.
More vinland! Hell yeah.
Big appreciation for the on-screen panels’ text matching Daniel’s audio. Wasn’t a huge deal last time, but definitely is a better experience this way.
I'm so excited for Daniel to reach "that" part of the story. Knowing what he likes, its definitely gonna be one of his most enjoyable reading experiences.
Oh boy it's so nice seeing Dan's expectations on characters knowing their future now. This is going to be one hell of a ride.
I love the part where he goes "It's Thorfin' time"
22:25 to 22:55 is basically a perfect description of all of Gundam. So if you wanna see more stuff like that, Gundam might be good to check out. The Gundam: The Origin manga could make for a nice review series as well.
I left a question on your last video and just wanted to ask about how you interpreted a particular scene.
In reference to Thors telling Thorfinn that it's not okay to hurt people, you said it's something like 'Thors dumping his past trauma on his son' and then read the dialogue from the book and heavily emphasized words that weren't highlighted.
I just found it kind of odd. I saw it as Thors getting on his knees to be level with his son, holding him, and calmly telling him that it isn't okay to hurt others.
I don't think that's Thors dumping his trauma on his son. And it's a pretty respectable approach given that all Thors knows is that Thorfinn broke a kids arm and now he's gone into an off limits area and pulled out a knife. I think most parents would probably shout at their kid if they saw that. But not Thors.
Indeed, he wasn't "dumping a past trauma on his son" AT ALL
@@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723 right? It was basically a different way of telling your child "keep your hands and feet to yourself" imo. I found Daniel's reading of that scene really odd.
@@harveybaldry1969 yeah, and the intention and the feeling of the scene is pretty clear as well🤔
Well, I suppose Daniel just had a bug in his brain in that part xD
18:28 Amazing joke there for me because the voice I give Thorkell in my head is literally Mr. Krabs (Clancy Brown). I have literally thought of that clip of Mr. Krabs during that exact moment in the manga.
Cant wait for vagabond....the sword saint is just right for daniel
Just in case you do get into making a video discussing the philosophical side of Vinland Saga, the concept of love that the priest is trying to teach is referred to as "Agape" and was a very important concept in Christianity during this time frame.
Just figured I'd drop in and give you a place to start since it isn't referred to by name in the manga.
It’s funny, I didn’t expect you to like Thorkell this much.
The archetype of the guy how just wants a good fight is pretty common in battle manga. You might enjoy reading “Bleach” after all…
I don't think Bleach could be enjoyable to him. Thorkell is actually the personification of viking culture, in contrast with Canute who is a "meek" christian. It's the story that makes the character stand out. I don't think Bleach, a waste of good potential, would equal a story like Vinland Saga. (Yes, I'm a bleach hater)
I'm curious if you noticed that the diplomat at the start talking to Thorkell, Floki, is the guy that had Thors killed.
Definitely pay attention to the monk talking about what love means, it's pretty important to the story.
The moment Thorkell was introduced, I have always imagined his voice having an almost Cajun like tone or accent. Just the wildness of that sort of accent/tone/dialect, really seems to fit him for me.
In Japanese he's voiced by the legendary Otsuka Akio of Metal Gear Solid fame, and his voice fits exactly what I imagine Thorkell to be like
I just spotted Tokyo Ghoul on your bookshelf, its a very solid manga bit it takes a few volumes to get really good.
thorkell is the goat... for me he is the best example for what made this manga work for me because he is just so anime tropy in his strengh an over-the-topness but imo it fits so well into the world and setting. love this dude
I thoroughly enjoy both but have a special place in my heart for Vinland Saga and its themes. There's so much character development and poignant quiet moments.
I love the parallel with Thorfinn joining Askeladd, someone he hates to have an opportunity for vengeance with Askeladd joining the Danes, someone he hates so he can have a opportunity for vengeance. Its a really interesting parallel and gives some insight into Askeladd's handling if Thorfinn because they're not so different
I’m excited to see you’re reaction to a specific arc in the future. I’ve heard a lot of people complain about the direction that arc takes, but I personally love it and it’s my favorite arc.
Lol I love how there's an insert where he recognizes himself calling Thorkell "Thorkinn",
but he then still proceeds to call Askeladd "Ass-Land"
vinland saga is a top 4 manga imo with berserk one piece vagabond just ahead of it but I'm glad you are enjoying it and i really hope you check out vagabond next as it seems to fit your tastes very well
Yes the religion themes will come a lot along the story, and from both the nordic and christianity, it is an interesting intake from the author.
This Chad could have made 6 videos, but he's awesome and made one video per volume.
Vinland Saga's author Makoto Yukimura has gone on record to say he thinks the anime adaptation is an improved experience overall, AND btw Thorkell's voice actor is the same legendary voice of Blackbeard in One Piece, so. 100% recommend the anime haha
It was great, I'm very happy you're enjoying this!
Also, keep an eye out on that religious subtext you mentioned. You saw how Christians deal with death and soon the Norse POV will expand on the idea of Valhalla
Missed the best part.
Thorkell: Hey priest! Which God do you pray to?!
The Priest: Whichever God created booze.
Thorkell: HA! GOOD ONE!!
Awesome video, I like you dividing it into two halves and giving thoughts and predictions then seeing how things develop in the second half. I wouldn't mind you dissecting things or giving more in depth thoughts or reactions in general. Hope to see Vinland stuff more often and hope you enjoy reading it.
Throkell reminds me that this is an anime by being so unnaturally badass and taking out waves of enemies on his own, I LOVE HIM!
Askeladd's vision, and that chapter "Ragnarok" are really. REALLY important. It makes him that much more human. The part with his mother is kind of heart wrenching. You know, yeah he's a war criminal. But he's pretty cool
An old woman helping and caring for little Thorfinn . I like that when he walks away with Askeladd and his friends, he never looks at what will be at his feet.
And from Volume 2 onomatopoeias are in English!
So the vikings did raid france and integrated with them eventually, I think it was the Normans. So french sword sorta works.
You would be correct.
Love to see you continue to react to Vineland Saga! I truly believe that this prelude arc is one of my favourite stories I've had the pleasure to enjoy. I can't wait to see you react to the rest of the series in the coming months!
I think we need to have Daniel's significant other take all his sharp and pointy objects from him when he is filming...
I genuinely can't wait until he gets to farmland saga, while there were some who disliked it when it was coming out, it 100% seems like the exact thing Daniel would truly really apprecate
In hindsight its awesome
You're talking about Kekil's farm?
@@Mopman43 Ketill, and yes
I highly recommend reading Blade of the Immortal manga, it's also completed. It starts alright and the plot may seem just okay at the beginning, but it develops into a complex story.
To be able to watch the videos, I have started reading Vinland Saga. Caught up about a week ago. It's legit one of the best manga I have read ever.
after your done with first arc , and you will know when . I would like for you to make a general video how do you feel about series , praises and criticisms , exploring thematic elements and characters. I think it would be a nice wrap up after the first arc is over
One Japanese boi made a better viking story than all of Hollywood ever
Soon 200 chapters and it keeps getting better
You should check out The First Binding by R.R. Virdi. It’s very Kingkiller inspired and has some unbelievable good worldbuilding.
It’s actually real history in the headlines, but more based on the Norse sagas when it comes to characters ( which were basically a glorified version history with some legendary stuff being made up on a very regular basis ).
Well... The Viking novels I've read also picture that type of talk about Christianity Vs Norse myths. And I loved it as much as in here...
This format for the panels is great. Noice vid and glad you're enjoying this series lol.
Loving these Vinland saga videos!!! Enjoyed this format quite a lot
Love seeing this. Vinland saga is my favorite manga series. Awesome to see you experiencing the series
I like your narrator voice, but your dog barking sounded like Christopher Walken. That made me very happy.
I can't add anything to the actual topic as I haven't read Vinland Saga and couldn't find a copy to read (my library is awful and doesn't have it). But I need to say I am consistently amazed by how sturdy your desk is. You stab it with at least one sword in every video basically and it still hasn't caved in.
oh my good please someone save that desk. That dask did nothing wrong
Now I can only imagine dropping Thorkell Info Berserks World and watching him having a good time being almost eaten by Demons.
God I love these!!! I love that your enjoying vinland saga. Best Videos on TH-cam!
I lold so hard when Daniel talked about being introduced to multiple Henry's and Edward cos that's the same reason I checked out of English history
I feel like the amount of blades Daniel pulled out here, is to compensate for teh amount of weaponry the guest host of fantasy news showed.
Anyways; great video, you got me back into vinland saga
I feel you should read blade of immortal it's a completely grounded manga and covers some themes like revenge.
Daniel I love that you cover vinland saga, but it's askeladd. There is no n in the name, I know it's hard to pronounce😂
im glad you are liking this after berserk and vagabond its my favorite manga. btw yes thorkell is such a chad . i love him . later he become even more cool . more deep and complicated
Quite a few people in the fanbase believe Thorkell is based on the tale of 1 viking holding off 15000 British soldies on a bridge all on his own , with the British soldiers not being able to do anything to him , they had to stab him from below the floorboards .
Love that you're loving Vinland Saga! For a fun fact, since you're a big fan of Thorkell, is that he is based on a real person! He is very poorly attested in the historical records, but "Thorkell the Tall" is named in at least one document detailing the Danish conquest of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms (the idea of the English isnt really consolidated just yet and really only becomes more realized closer to 1066 in opposition to the Normans).
I hope this series will go slow enough for season 2 to release before we get to that content. If not, it'll be a nice post-season binge. Manga content brought me to the channel, Dan kept me here.
You are really putting your desk through hell!🤣
What an excellent review, I’m glad you’re really enjoying Vinland Saga. I’ve seen the anime but you’re starting to convince me that I should read the manga.
A deep dive into the themes in the story, ie religion, the historical time et and would be really cool!!!
So I was one those people who wondered should I read vinland saga after where the anime stops and I finally gave it a shot. Finished the whole series up to chapter 196 in one weekend, would whole heartedly recommend to anyone on the fence! Thorfinn is now one of my all time fave protagonists :)
Great Video Daniel as both a massive Vinland Saga and Berserk fan. Its such a joy seeing these video's on your channel.. Maybe a recommendation after Berserk and Vinland Saga... I personaly would love love love, If you gave Space Brothers (Uchuu Kyoudai) a chance. Its about person how lost his job and tries become a astronaut. Goes very realistically into what it takes becomming a astronaut and also gives great life lessons about not losing hope, when you are older person.
So yeah enjoying these video's so much. And looking forward to them in the future.
I think that more than a worlbuilding "Vikings/Nords being fascinated with the Romans", this is more "Askeladd being very knowledgable of Romans" character set up.
Hell, he wears Roman armor (which is not something you just find lying around a couple centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire), has a Roman name in addition to his Nordic one, knows people with Roman names and, possibly, fights using a Roman gladius (not sure there).
On the same character, we are now at the point where we know the Askeladd willingly lives and collaborates with those he hates, living away from those he 'cares' about, all in the name of a bloody goal and willing to dirty his hands to achieve it.
The parallels with Thorfinn couldn't be any harder :)
I remember at this point thinking "Did Askeladd spare/mentor" Thorfinn because he sees himself in him? Given also that his second in command commented on him having a "weird" trust in Thorfinn during the forest-fire scheme.
Thorkell is so goddamn cool. Just a jovial warrior who cares about nothing but battle and food. What's there not to love? 😁
Hey I love all your content and I think you’re doing great!! As much as I love seeing the panels I’m starting to get worried you might get wrongfully striked so please be careful homie!
Great video. Should point out there is no N in Askeladd if you care
Glad to see you are also a Thorkell enjoyer.
fun presentation much appreciated
Another fun fact: the voice actor for Thorkell in the anime also does the voice of Blackbeard in the One Piece anime. Somehow, that made me love Blackbeard even more.
Danish = of the Danes, or in relation to the Danes
Dan-ish = Sorta like Daniel
Have you read the Saxon chronicles by Bernard Cornwell? It follows a Saxon who was abducted by Danes as a child and raised as a Dane, it’s set during the time of Alfred the great. They’re some of the best historical fiction I’ve ever read.
Thorkell is absolutely Best Viking. Like a big dumb violent golden retriever. He's the perfect Himbo and he must be protected at all costs.
But he ain‘t dumb tho, quite the contrary he is pretty smart
Liking and commenting to support you bruh!
Great videos man!!!! Loving theses Story times!
I'd like to point out the bonus story actually happens at the end of the first half (which is the first volume of the original two contained in your volumes).
The goblin switched Chainsaws for Vikings instead XD
No if you check his videos he’s just reading Vikings WITH chainsaws instead
Daniel built different
He’s doing both since they were 1 and 2 but you can definitely tell he’s not really feeling Chainsaw Man. Doesn’t want to shit on it since it’s not really his style but he’s a lot higher on Vinland and Berserk.
Fun fact! The love that the monk talks about is actually called 'agape' in Christian theology.