Vinland Saga: Book One Discussion Ft. Philip Chase
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This chat was pure joy for me, Merphy! Thank you so much for introducing me to the great story that is Vinland Saga. I'm incredibly excited to continue this journey!
It was wonderful hearing your thoughts on the series and learning which parts were grounded in historical texts and/or mythology. Very excited to hear more of your thoughts moving forward!
The discussions have been an absolute blast for me, thank you again for coming on my channel and discussing it!
Since your first video I saw of you talking with Merphy I been watching your videos I really been enjoying them.😊
I haven't read any Sagas since I was young, but in my memory the impression is that some of them were pretty exaggerated. In some protagonists feats of strength and battle. When I saw Vinland Saga it felt perfectly in theme. Felt like perfect extension of the old sagas, to put them in manga form.
@@merphynapierreviews 10:00 fun fact The manga began serialization in April 2005 in the shōnen (aimed at teenage boys) manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Magazine. In December 2005, it moved to the monthly seinen (aimed at younger adult men) manga magazine Monthly Afternoon
look at Merphy, being a "mentor" for newcomers into manga world ❤she has come a long way since first One Piece review 👍
She is barely starting in the manga world as well (which is great), but yeah, it's been a journey
Never thought I'll ever see the day Merphy AND Philip discussing a manga together. Great discussion, you two. Love this manga series! 😊
So true!
Never thought I would see my favorite GoodReads reviewer (and a great TH-camr) here :D
when merphy heard about askeladd being a bit of a cinderella an underdog and trickster that came out on top always i saw that light go off where she realized yet again how well researched the author was
I find that the exaggerated nature of manga is very much a perfect fit for the norse myths in which it is based, because the norse myths themselves regularly exaggerate human feats of strength etc, as do most myths and folklore.
I'm unsure of what the technical term would be in English, but in my junior high school years in Norway, we actually covered this at length. I think it was called "ironic exaggeration" or something to that effect, and referred to how Viking lore and legends routinely write in a kind of low-key and matter-of-factly way about things that clearly aren't humanly possible.
One story, that I still remember involved a duel between two Icelanders, where one cuts off the arm of the other.
The man who just lost his hand is "tired" and asks his opponent if they can't settle by the lake and have a drink before they continue.
They do so, take a breather and go back to killing each other.
Obviously, in real life, you get your arm cut clean off and you'll bleed to death in minutes unless you do something drastic about the wound. But, in the story, it's presented as if it's no biggie.
In this sense, I feel as if Vinland Saga being a manga almost makes it more similar to an actual viking saga than had it strived much more for realism.
I love that perspective; that he just brought the larger than life tales to the page in true manga form ❤
Phillip is such a cool guy, thank you for introducing me to him.. also you’ve really picked the perfect story for him.
It’s almost as if he is made for it
as a history geek, i am loving this, hope more booktubers discuss classics or sagas or historical literature
It is really interesting to see all these booktubers starting manga. Anime is getting mainstream and seemingly manga is starting to get a proper recognition. 😁
It’s well deserved!
Also on the bit about the tendency of manga to exaggerate human strength... That's true but also, I find that it works really well with Vinland Saga specifically, as it's common in these eddas and sagas to paint the characters as these larger than life figures while recounting their feats and legend. It's likely coincidental more than anything, but in this case the exaggeration actually feels in spirit with the source material which I think is a cool added element when analyzing this story.
Like thorkell, i heard he is in saga that strong.
Loved the video! Phillip’s perspective was really refreshing, he knows his stuff and it shows.
This discussion absolutely delighted me! Philip's Norse insights added so much to my appreciation of this manga, as I knew would be the case. Merphy, you are always attuned to the emotional depth and implications of stories, and your connection with Thors is no exception. I loved this and look forward to watching the future Vinland Saga discussions!
Thank you Johanna! I’m glad you enjoyed it ❤
Watched this anime recently; I'm loving the direction Merphy's tastes are taking as of late 😄
EDIT: As an anime watcher; yes. Thors' death was quite brutal. An experienced anime/manga fan probably saw it coming and I wasn't floored by surprise when I saw it but I was quite sad. Thors was a great character; quite literally too good for his own anime world. A common flaw of anime parents 😭
I can’t imagine how hard it would have hit not knowing it was coming 😢
I already knew this was gonna be a fantastic video the moment i watched your discussion with Philip on his channel, but this managed to even exceed my expectations.
It's just so fun hearing Philip's thoughts on the story,themes and characters through this new medium, but also the knowledge of norse history and mythology that he brings.
Absolutely can't wait for the next video, thanks for the discussion guys !
This was such a fun discussion to listen to. I already love this series but hearing it being discussed in such depth only makes me appreciate it even more. I can't wait to see what Philip thinks of the later parts of the story! Thank you, Merphy!!
This was a great and unique review of Vinland Saga. It's always fascinating and cool to hear someone that really knows the history and inspiration of a work. I can't wait for Volume 2. Oh and I am very very very very looking forward for what Philip will think of the ending of the first arc!
This should have been on the main channel merphy - great video
I'm so glad some of my favorite creators are finally talking about Vinland Saga
Thank you for putting this Manga on my radar, it's so cool to be a part of this community, seeing how much you're liking Vineland Saga, have you considered Attack On Titan?
Yeey I love Philip! his input is really interesting
I'm livid for this extra Vinland discussion and analysis. I think the perspective with actual history of it all is especially cool.
This is hype! Just binged the show on Netflix and now got the whole series on Amazon. Now we’re deep diving on the lore. All in, this is fun
Thank you so much! None you my friends read the Vinland Sega manga so discussion on this manga is something I'm currently deprived of for almost 3 years (binge read all the right after the anime ended)
It was interesting to learn those nuggets of historical information as well (plus I can say leif correctly now) and learning exactly where Yukimura took creatively liberties. I do have a complaint though.... IT'S ONLY 32 min and 49 sec. Ma'am Vinland Sega is minimum 2 hours person involved in discussion (so at least 4 hours here) lol.
Honestly though i would love to here you guys discuss every single character up into this point how you feel about them. Even characters like Helga and Bijorn even though they kind of take a backseat in the first book. I feel though that would help expand the conversation that much more.
Now you probably thinking "he's being a little greedy". And I'm here to tell you absolutely! Really though love the video and thanks again especially if you actually read all of this cause I had no intention of making this comment so long lol.
So glad you enjoyed it so much! We’ve already recorded the next three and the discussions have been so fun! We’ll have plenty more for you :D
I'd watch this even if it was 3 hours instead of 3 minutes. Great discussion and I'm looking forward to more parts. Hopefully you cover the whole series together
Great review Murph, I really enjoyed having the historical perspective to bounce off of and his insight to who was real and who was added for pacing and character growth. Looking forward to more in this series. I hope that Philip will enjoy other historical manga series past one pretty well tailored to his liking ;)
10:00 fun fact The manga began serialization in April 2005 in the shōnen (aimed at teenage boys) manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Magazine. In December 2005, it moved to the monthly seinen (aimed at younger adult men) manga magazine Monthly Afternoon
Don't take this the wrong way, but this thumbnail has hilarious energy :D
I'll watch the vid now though, cause I know it'll be good.
Pls read berserk it's a really great manga, the first volume might be a little hard to read but after that it just goes above and beyond. I just want to see your guys perspective on it.
It's a fantasy manga btw
Yes! More Vinland Saga! Great video Merphy! I’m so excited that you read the second arc already! Truly amazing series and nice to see you recommending this awesome series!
If you ever want another amazing manga, I recommend Kingdom! Not as crazy depth and character development as Vinland Saga but filled with amazing action, war tactics, politics, economics, and still some decent character growth and development! 😊
This was so freakin well done. I can't wait for the next 10 videos 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hello I enjoy this video and I’m now Philip follower
Thors in a lot of ways reminds me of Itkovian in that neither believe in withholding compassion because it’s inconvenient and his impact on the series is so heavy. So excited to see you experience this story.
The TV series adds a lot of scenes and different direction choices that I think improve the heights of this first arc even more. Hope you enjoy!
Edit: my smoothbrain just realized this wasn’t on Phillip’s channel oops
just started the video and I'm very excited
Hope you enjoyed it 😄
I may have to finally check out this manga... I'm currently working on a chapter on the old Norse Vinland sagas and I'd be interested to see how Makoto Yukimura adapted them. Thanks for the great discussion!
It’s a really interesting take, and it’s also apparent that Yukimura did his homework. I’d be interested to hear what you make of it!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy That's great to hear! I think a topic like "Adapting the Vinland sagas in Modern Media" would make for an interesting conference paper and/or video... 🤔
Absolutely loved that. Can't wait for the next episodes to drop
Yoooo Murphy is a manga senpai!!!!! And well deserved too heck ya!
Yukimura really is a master of facial expressions
Just going to take this opportunity to shill Makoto Yukimura's previous manga, Planetes. Space! Trash! Love! Terrorists! Humanity's quest to reach further into space! And all that.
What a fun discussion!! Can’t wait for pt 2
I'm completely caught up with the manga and what's currently happening is peak
Only one book in and I already know this series will be one of my favorites.
Great discussion! I am very excited for the continuation of this series!
Hope this will be a running collab, and makes him try One Piece next!
We plan to go through the whole series this way!
@@merphynapierreviews That's fantastic news!
Yay I knew from the jump I was going to enjoy this video
Happy Leif Erikson Day!
I know the feeling merphy. Managed to bring 10 of my friends into the world of manga/anime through Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
Loving the collab ❤ !
just found this so definitely going to be listening to these discussions when i am at work. i have a feeling you two both have some interesting things to say about this series.
Such a great conversation! Love binland Saga too!
Love the discussion you both had.
Let's go!
I was wondering when you two would discuss this :D
Loved this video! Subbed to Philip to watch more
If you like history, manga and Vinland saga, I would recommend Vagabond and Kingdom which are considered on the same tier as Vinland Saga (Or maybe Berserk if your not into the history aspect)
Kingdom: Ancient China
Vagabond: Ancient Japan
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The sagas about Erik, Leif and the Greenlanders are among the most fascinating reads I've ever had. It's like a window opened through time, in a way that I hadn't experienced before despite having already read and enjoyed most of the more famous Icelandic sagas.
Also I just so happened to read them in Japanese - the translation was a little bit on the dry, academic side, but still surprisingly good. :)
very underrated masterpiece.
me saying LEAF is now my punishment for not getting to vahalla
Vinland is soooooo good
Vinland Saga deserve some award
Great video as always!
LEGENDARY PAIRING
The attacking-with-ship-scene is a description by the Byzantines of the Vikings attacking them with ships on land or with wheels on or something like that, can't find the exact quote right now.
YAAAAAAY
book 1? when you get to book 5 it will be interesting.
I got reminded to read the latest chapter cause of this video
I do hope you get to watch Mushishi soon too
Once you finish Vinland Saga, please do something on Berserk, which has a European base to it. Vagabond is up there in tone for Vinland and Berserk as well, though it's more traditionally Japanese
More Vinland saga
This is gonna be Legen - wait for it - Dary !
True story
Ain't no way Askeladd is Buggy!
SPOILER
MERPHY DONT READ
Every time merph says prologue, I thought about the Mangas 'prolougue' ending before the time skip 😁
Next time please check out too Berserk 🥺
here we go again...at least I can hear how awesome the troll again.
The G.O.A.T manga!!
Your friend should read Full Metal Alchemist or Berserk
You said Halfdan was the bad guy😊
Nice chat. Maybe you can also talk with Daniel about it. He also started Vinland Saga.
I hope you read Overlord light novel volume 1-14
you guys should definitely also check out berserk in the deluxe volumes you're going to enjoy it just as much maybe even more cuz Id argue it's a little bit more complex even. But I also love vinland Saga and I'm really excited to see your reviews
Merphy has tried reading Berserk before but said she had trouble getting through some of the more graphic stuff (child abuse, etc), so she dropped it.
berserks grim dark is not for everyone .
Philip loves grimdark fantasy, and has read way more graphic material than Berserk. But what he really loves is the character development and themes that get explored because of that horrible trauma. Berserk is amazing when it comes to Guts and a couple other characters. But it does rely on shock value in other parts. For instance there's a scene where village women get kidnapped by Orcs, and for multiple days ... you can guess the rest, and when Guts eventually saves them, they're all like "k thanks bye we can take it from here!" And they just leave and we never see them again. Scenes like that would probaby drive Philip crazy. Miura even said he regretted relying on sexual violence for repetitive drama as much as he did in the early parts of the story. Philip would probably just roll his eyes at a character like Wyld who is just edgy.
Let's Go!!!!
Little recommandation if he is finished with Vinland saga.
Try Kingdom.
A very accurate chinese warfare manga about the unification of China.
Especially if you are interested in warfare and military strategies.
Agree,of course there is plenty creative freedom, but its great and really detailed about showing the actual records, that are vague enough to allow that freedom and be very close. Also its a great manga, deserving the sucess.
A very unfair precedent to set for manga, introducing him the the best story first.
I'd love to see you two discuss berserk
man i cant wait for philip to read berserk lol
I think that I have to disagree with Murphy here because I think Thors failed. He realized he wasn't perfect saying that if he was a true warrior he would never have needed his sword or to even have used violence. And we see thorfinn surpass him in this way later at the end of the slave arc. And with thorfinn he succeeded in planting the seeds of his philosophy but in the most important ways, he failed thorfinn and the tragic part is him knowing that as he died. He failed Thorfinn because his main goal was to teach thorfinn these things about life without making him have to go through the horrors that he did. And in the end he succeeded but in his whole goal he failed. And I think part of that is to show that this value in life and refusal of violence isn't something you can really just teach through words. And I think he was doing well to teach this through his actions but still we see both his son and daughter don't understand and often ended up being disappointed in what they saw in their father back in Iceland (thorfinn hearing that his father ran, and Ylva hating him for saving the slave) but we see that this either was taught or was already learned by his wife seemingly without going through the same kind of suffering that both thors and thorfinn had to.
Day I dont know what of asking merphy to read KINGDOM by Hara
The camera quality looks different
The fact that you seem to love this kind of narrative based on historical stories makes me think that you'd really love the "Kingdom" manga as well, which is a fictional retelling about the Warring States period of China, and the unification of China into one country. The author similarly has cut-ins throughout the series referencing some of his sources, or explaining what 'really' happened in those days, rather than how it happened in his story. It can be quite battle-heavy, and often focuses on the logistics and strategies of large scale, pre-black-powder warfare, but it's still an incredibly compelling story nonetheless.
Ok philip you gotta read Berserk if you are into fantasy cause merphy isn't a big fan of it.
I’m a big fan of fantasy, but yes, Berserk is too dark for me :)
@@merphynapierreviews yeah I meant you are not a big fan of berserk cause it's too dark, I love all your reviews on fantasy books.
@@merphynapierreviews sorry if my English isn’t very good… I think you would enjoy the 97 Berserk anime, it’s a heavily toned down version of the golden age arc whit all the embarrassing scenes removed, it has beautiful visuals and maybe the best anime soundtrack ever, and while it only covers the prologue of the manga, a lot of the reasons why Berserk is so praised and loved are already there 😊
Philip needs to get into One piece😆
This is hype! Just binged the show on Netflix and now got the whole series on Amazon. Now we’re deep diving on the lore. All in, this is fun