VW ID3 62 kWh facelift 1000 km challenge
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The littering is caused by the birds picking the garbage out of the trashcans. This is a big problem and needs different trashcans design.
Thank you for the info. I feel relieved that wasn't people.
Or just more frequent emptying (by humans, not birds). I used to live in a city which had a bit of a problem with seagulls (because it was quite the shithole) and the local McDonalds and Burger King agreed with the city that they the trash cans would be emptied every evening and once during the day. Solved the problem and was very cheap
That route planning was insane fast🤯
The red color looks cool!
There should be a brand new ID3 in 2024 summer. Should have a more efficient and powerful motor, the ID7 style interface and better interior.
VW want to be careful, they won’t suffer the Osborne effect (they won’t be able to sell the current vehicles, because everyone will be waiting for the new version)
Power Nap for the win! Safety is most important
21°C - The weather seems so nice these days over there. It's steamy here in Albania.
Good ninja skills arriving around 5% or less every time!
Thanks for the HVAC tip - I keep forgetting this on my ID.3
Lerooooy Jenkins moment almost kilked me with laugh 😂😂😂
I laughed!
Very nice video's with good info of the different cars.
I saw your ladestau in spekeröd. I passed spekeröd yesterday (on my way to my parents) and saw that they have som sort of organizer in Florissant vest organizing that queue.
I would love to be able to buy the ID3, but VW thinks that Canadians are only interested in big monster SUV's.
I don't know. Shows $35K euro in Germany, that's over $51K CAD. Add in all the dealer "market adjustments", almost as expensive as a base model Y, far more than a base ID4. I would be interested if it was $30K or less.
Can’t do straight currency conversion…that isn’t usually the price that each market gets.
I would love to have ID4 or ID5 again with ID Software 3.5 - faster charging speed available
It's the same on 3.0. Bjorn is just very good at arriving on low SoC after a fast drive - that's all you need to do.
@@simondehaas8784 I know but ID4 with 77kWh battery also charges faster than this one.
@@GManPTcorrect, it peaks at 175 if I recall correctly... But are must thirstier than ID3 and even the bigger battery would take around the same time to charge than this one. Look at Skoda Coupe 80 in the chart, it's not that different and is the most aerodynamic MEB car yet
Look at that snapy UI. Rivals my Nokia 5110 😂
Wow so many etrons😮
As shown in the video, 8 new Circle K CCS outlets (300 kW) opened today (24 July) at Varberg Nord.
Love the music! It's from BMW's "How To" TH-cam series!
€40.000 is now a poor mans car 😭
The poor man doesnt buy new cars. I now buy an ex-demo MG4 Luxury/Trophy for 31k. I dont have the money for 40k cars. This arent "Volkswagen" anymore.
This Id3 is many things (I love a good VW hatch), but a poor's man car it isn't.
Very consistent charge rate and superb BMS management design. Too bad you couldn't get down to 200Wh/km.
Are there EV RV in Norway? Perhaps you can get one to test next summer?
that moto is fabulous . no ban in culture...
German Licenceplate OL is for Oldenburg! Northwest Germany. My hometown 😂
Are those buttons on the dashboard still not backlit even on this refresh model?
The interior seems much like an ID.4. Volkswagen seems to get the message what the reviewers of the pre-FL ID.3 have all said (that the interior feels cheap).
I don't know. If I can save 5% on the price but have to stand a cheap interior, I choose the discount. Accordingly I drive the Kona EV, with very cheap hard plastic inside...
Do you think there is more queuing as the years go by in busy periods.
One other thing can't believe how many chargers do be out of action.
Bjorn, at the 2:08 mark, did the headlights automatically shift away from oncoming traffic then widen again or did you manually adjust the lights? It would be pretty awesome if the car is smart enough to do that unassisted.
Matrix LED
That was matrix LED, yes.
Is id3 legroom larger than model 3? Back row legroom especially. Anyone compared?
Tyre size - this one had 19", but the previous one 18"?
The old id3 did have an update to 120kw?
The birds probably add to the problem but the Apes are the biggest problem
The passport hiding the speedometer reading.. 😂
I think Bjorn puts it there when he is nearing border inspection Sweden/ Norway
@@ohyesitsme He was well into Sweden moving south. Besides, I think things are back to normal now (i e you hardly notice the border passage more than the road sign style changes)
well done on the first leg. consumption was quite high though, 22kwh/100km is something I see in the deepest winter. In Summer I can get to 16-17 on my pre-facelift ID3, incl. highway travel
Remember, Bjørn is driving the speed limit + VAT
@@peterhelmer396and Norwegian VAT is 25 per cent...
@@peterhelmer396so about what speed exactly?
@@MikeDeeee most of the route he is driving is 110km/h limit, some of it is 120km/h, so my guess is that he is doing 130-140 in the 110 zones and around 145 in the 120 zones. Buy don't tell anyone, it is a secret...
Around 85 mph
@@lemagnitio72 that's the legal limit here and no way I do that consumption... It's lower. Ok most of the time it's warmer here, so that might explain the difference
How much does it cost for all the chargings?
"If you want to travel fast, and you don't have too much money, buy the Volkswagen..." Except it really is the MG4 isn't it, as you point out in the little caption. The MG4 is about €8k cheaper and 20 minutes faster for the 1,000 km even though it was travelling in about 5°C colder weather.
To beat the MG, the VW has to be selling something else (worth €8k). Is it better software, interior trim, space.. Would be interested to hear what people think?
Definitely think MG/SAIC is the better offer even when the navigation is neither the utmost. At least the Volkswagen gets somewhat improved for the price they ask for.
@@Lifecoach7Ra The new 2023 version of MG4 is announced, it will be interesting a test with that car. The top trim will come with route planner and in Spain it can be ordered now. And of course the long range, with the 77 kwh battery, at the same price (more or less) than this id3.
MG4 is ugly though, that alone would stop me buying one, also it's Chinese so it doesn't have that going for it either, would rather have the ID3 any day of the week (courtesy of an ioniq driver)
Does the software still suck?
That below zero going is normal to me.VW ID3 77kwh.
Ladestau at 1 o'clock at night🙈 Krass😉
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You mentioned the low delta between the min & max battery temperature which is around 1° vs 4° for Tesla and higher for other models. But why is this important ? And why is there 2 different temperature values ? I’m curious to know more about it
Its important for rapid gate / cold gate issue. But also for battery degradation, if some parts get (a lot) hotter, like first gen leaf, you literally fry the cells. By proper design, like Tesla did from the start (With their batteries) they can last a much longer time!
Even battery temperature throughout the battery back means reduced risk of exposing battery cells to too high temperatures, causing the charging to throttle. Same with cold gating. It's simply better, both for charging speeds and overall battery health.
I'm not sure if comparing to Kona EV is fair, but I'd say they are both about the same size… I get a consumption over 200wh/km only during cold winder, with snowing and only during a 130km/h highway driving. So I have to wonder, is ID.3 actually efficient, or is Kona just an extreme in low consumption?
He was also driving 130
@@kenion2166 Isn't the highway speed at these northern countries 120? But also, this was an overall consumption, including non-highway segments. I was talking about just the highway, not including anything else.
The ID3 looks kinda like a Golf now 😅 everything VW makes eventually turns into a Golf
4:45 who you gonna call
Already??
Wait the car under-represents distance by 1.3%?
Where does that percentage come from? Is this just based on the distance given by Google Maps?
I think Bjorn uses a known driving distance he has measured by GPS for reference.
About the delta thing - it would be nice to learn more about the technique behind it.
The temperature delta between the cells?
That‘s easy: A cell can be charged with a certain current at a certain state of charge AND cell temperature, without getting damaged. If there is one cell in the pack, that overheats, the whole pack has to be throttled. That‘s because it is very important to have the same voltage in every cell. The voltage is roughly said the state of charge - better said: you can tell the state of charge by the voltage. You can‘t charge the „cooler“ cells, while letting the hotter cells cool down. Despite that the normal pack design can’t do that, it would result in an unbalanced pack (Some cells are at higher state of charge, than others).
There are some ideas for pack designs, that treat every cell for it‘s own. If some cell overheats, over-/under voltages, it can be temporarly unbound form the pack. But as far, as I know, no one uses these by now. It‘s very tricky and adds components to the pack (cost, weight, …)
Therefore a well designed cooling system will have an advantage.
Fun fact: If your unlucky, one cell can coldgate (is too cold to take the full current) and another can rapidgate (is too hot to take the full current) at the same time.
Watch Munro live videos on the breakdowns of EVs. They'll show you the cooling systems and how they work. Better thermal contact with all the cells with smaller spacing gives a better performance, wider spacing cheaper and less effective.
@@davidz1264 Good explanation. Next question: Why can't the cells be heated or cooled down to the same optimum temperature all the time? I mean - it wouldn't take that much energy overall - or am I wrong?
@@futureatob6920 it's about how much spacing in-between the cooling system and each cell. Install shorter gaps it works better but costs more.
Could make pack density worse too
Short answer: They can, but that comes at a price (cost, volume, weight).
The challenge is not the energy for cooling itself. There is enough available. It's the cooling system. It is necessary to suck the heat out of the system. There a hundreds to thousands of cells in a pack. Then there is the form factor (cylindrical, pouch, prismatic are the common types). Each form factor has its own (dis-)advantages. For example: A cylindrical cell can be cooled very good (huge surface), but you need more volume (or room), in comparison with a rectangular (less surface) shape, for the same capacity/energy. A rectangular shape utilizes the room better, but the heat distribution is uneven. There is more heat to get rid of in the edges, than in the flat surface parts.
The best cooling solution is a (small) cylindrical cell, that is cooled seperatly. Like a sleve around each cell. But that will drive cost, volume and weight. Kreisel Electric had build such a battery as a technological study in an VW eGolf.
Elon Musk once said at the battery day "Every fool can make a bigger battery" and he is right. Another challenge is the size of the cell. The heat can travel faster to a smaller cell, than a bigger one. There is simply less mass that generates heat and less material the heat has to travel through, until it reaches the cooling system. But a bigger cell has a better energy density, because there is less "dead" material (casing, etc.). Maybe that is the reason why the Tesla Model S Plaid still uses the 18650 cell form factor.
There is nothing wrong with a big cell. In the right scenario (big capacity, small power) it is in fact a good choice. But that's not the car scenario (huge capacity, lightweight, high power, harsh environment) ;-)
Let's get to the heat energy itself. The cooling system must reach the cells, to carry the heat away. For this purpose it should have as much contact to the cells, as it is possible. Think about a kettle on stove. It will need more time to boil water, if the kettle stands only partially on the stove. The same with cooling. More contact area is better. More heat conductive material is also better, but comes at most with more weight (copper aluminium). Lenght of the cooling loop, heat capacity of the liquid and flow speed are other factors. If the first cell gets the cold liquid and the last cell in the loop only hot liquid, guess what happens ;-)
It comes down to weight, volume, energy and cost. It's currently not possible to build a light, small and high energy battery at low cost. There is a tradeoff everytime. And sometimes it's just poor engineering 🤷♂
*Of course, the best cell would be the one that has 100% efficiency. In this case, no cooling is necessary. But there are always losses, if energy gets transferred. Until we discover a new law in physics 😉
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Coldplay concert? Or Taylor Swift? 😊
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Faulty Tritium chargers Australian made slowing peoples travel , across Australia and around the world
Yes, we have charger anxiety not range anxiety here in Australia. Luckily we have Tesla also, thanks, Elon.
The ID3 with 77kWh solves the slow charging problem. I'm sure would be 9:50/10:00.
Hopefully you got time to do proper winter range test with ID family cars. My ID4 GTX was super thirsty on winter. Good to be back Tesla driver :)
Try with a pros wich îs for long trips.. Will beat Tesla m3 long range?😂
29:58 Where is the Tesla Y RWD on this list? I looked in Your one month old video, 9:55. I tried to look up the price in Austria. Seems 3800 € more expensive than the Tesla Y RWD in Austria.
Smaller, slower and no trailer possible. Why wonders VW about sales? Funny detail, at “wonders” suggest LanguageTool: Please check whether ‘wanders’ (move about aimlessly) might be the correct word here instead of ‘wonders’ (inquires, questions (verb)).
No ID3 is 6000€ cheaper when looking on VW/ Tesla Website Austria
But you can’t compare model Y to ID3
@@binflydushy Sure, when the ID 3 would be around 30,000 €, but the ID 3 pro is in Austria 3,800 € more expensive than the Tesla Y RWD
@@pegefounderPeople like you will never get why there are customers that don't want a Tesla even if it were HALF the price.
@@binflydushy Maybe the ID 3, but not the ID 3 pro
Is it really true that you can’t charge and use HVAC at the same time? No wonder VW aren’t selling these. Kinda basic.
Of course you can, but Bjorn is going for the fastest charge time possible, which wouldn't normally be a real world situation. Unless 5 mins is that important to you?
You can, but instead of 130kW you might only get 115kW... It's up to you. On my long drives on my 2020 ID3 1st Plus I normally leave the HVAC running when charging, even if I leave the car, I rather spent extra 5 min than enter an Oven of a car with temperatures around here going between 30 and 40° C
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HelsingBORG - Resistance is futile 🤓😜
Lots of "Borgs" in Scandinavia (means a fort style castle). So beware if you don't want to get assimilated.
This is quite disappointing. People don't want to have to manually calculate how much charging they need, they expect the car to do that. Can the ID3 computer not figure this out?
And each time you used the touchscreen and said "Smooth", I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic, because all I saw was laggy response. If anything, you've put me off the idea of ever owning a VW EV.
Any EV will only calculate "sensible" arrival margins ... Bjorn uses Ninja techniques that go beyond what mere mortals would ever do!
Smooth... ish.
And that’s why we need to boycott fastfood!
Ghostbusters 😂
Plenty of gas pumps.
this car really is just a facelift. Pretty much identical spec wise to the previous one, if not slightly worse. And, very overpriced
All cars are overpriced these days. Actually the ID.3 costs about the same as two years ago.
19:00 you did not specify if this model has a heat pump, maybe behaviour is different between the ones with and the ones without?
Standard in Norway
The birds are going through the bins.
Re-post?
Confused?
so the first stretch was 250 km at 120 km/h and that used 100% of the battery? this ain't good
Above 120 from what he said on the video. At 120 I can achieve around 300km in an 2020 ID3 with 19"(same as he in this car)
tbh..your passport magic kinda invalidates your test :/
Why?
You might want to blur those lisence plates in editing.
If you want to travel fast buy a model 3 RWD for 40k Euro's
You ended with "So if you want to travel fast but you don't have much money, buy the Volkswagon." I don't understand this statement - the ID3 is only about 10% cheaper than the Best Car on your spreadsheet, which is 12 places higher. A brand new Model 3 is £40k in the UK today, the ID3 £36,400. And the ID3 doesn't come with the travel assistance package, the Model 3 does. I think there's little value in recommending this car over the similarly priced Tesla.
Same ugly assed interior and capacitive switches. Display response is still sluggish. Plastic trim still looks cheap.
This will be dead by 2030 mostlikely
15min less the older... no impressive at all!🤨
It's practically the same car.
o you switch off at night because there is too much traffic on chargers? I keep wondering why so many people are masochistic and buy these electric shit. I hope they will figure out better batteries soon; otherwise, the future is said 😪
I heard that the VW group "gave up" and is now buying a chinese platform to make cars on. Is this true Bjørn?
Only Audi is looking for a platform for premium cars, because trinity is delayed.
Audi 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
MEB platform from VW
For ID3 money you also can buy Model 3 RWD, why on earth you would buy this ID thing?????
expensive and long times is common to all brands... a small motor that locks the type2 cables to the port at Nissan Portugal costs 500 EUR! I waited for a front bumper of a Nissan leaf 18 (same as current being built) 3 months....
Much larger service center network
@@roybm3124 true, but if you live near service center makes no effective difference... in my case Nissan dealer at 10kms...Tesla at 40kms...
@@roybm3124 you wil need that with the MEB software nightmare 🙈🤣
@@Erikkrols You forgot being owned by a psycho fascist.. much like China, my money is not going to support either.
We desperately need better EVs: more efficient (better powertrain, better aero), less variation in consumption/range between hot weather and cold weather (use heatpump), more range (500km), lower weight (less than 1.6 tons), better infotainments (route planner etc…), faster charging times (20 min 10-80%), lower charging losses in AC.
Talk for yourself, like most EV drivers, I'm perfectly happy with how EVs are today. Most of the charging is done at home anyways, so charging times really aren't an issue at all.
I agree. I hope we will see good progress because the current state of lithium batteries are laughable. We keep dumping extreme amount is precious materials just to create long range cars that don't even go over 1k km. All of your points are valid
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