The Science of Self-Discovery | Sam Harris | Insights at the Edge Podcast
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- Join Tami Simon and renowned neuroscientist, philosopher, and author Sam Harris for a thought-provoking conversation on consciousness, the nature of the mind, and more. Harris' work spans a wide range of topics, including neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, meditation, political polarization, and rationality, all centered around how our growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live.
As the author of five New York Times bestsellers, including "The End of Faith," "The Moral Landscape," "Free Will," "Lying," and "Waking Up," Harris is known for his in-depth exploration of the human experience. He is also the host of the popular "Making Sense" podcast and the creator of the "Waking Up" app, which offers a modern approach to living a more examined life through mindfulness training and secular wisdom.
With over 30 years of meditation practice and studies with various Tibetan, Indian, Burmese, and Western meditation teachers, Harris brings a wealth of knowledge and insight to this conversation. He holds a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA.
In this episode, Harris shares his expertise on the intersection of neuroscience and philosophy, offering a unique perspective on how we can cultivate a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world around us.
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I add my voice as a student of Sam for many years. The precision of his pointing out is beyond comparison. I have learned to do this and it has cracked me open to a state of awareness/attention that is resonant with all life in the Universe. At 70 years old, I can only thank Sam, with all my heart, for this teaching and say, the view is grand....
Have you listened to Angelo Dillulo before? His TH-cam channel Simply Always Awake is a marvel for those who look for peace
"You are indivisible from awareness itself" 🎯
I've been a student of Sam Harris for many years, and I've heard him discuss these topics countless times, each time in a different way. Yet, with each subsequent exposure, I gain a deeper and fuller understanding of what he really means. For me personally, the "hard problem" of consciousness is a topic that I'm only now starting to truly understand (the part at 19:40 where he talks about the cup and the hand). If this is your first time, don't worry if you don't fully grasp the meaning of what Sam is talking about. These are poorly understood topics that are very hard to communicate clearly. Understanding will come gradually over the years if you continue to be interested in this field.
Sam is a true child of the universe. Every time I read a negative comment about him I initially get angry, that “unsolicited” emotion into consciousness that is so destructive. But then, upon reflection, my position changes to “hopefully they too will wake up” one day.
@@dornishred6033not sure what measure you could be using to say that Biden is worse than Trump other than your own political preferences. For any honest and ethical person the answer should be clear regardless of one’s preferences.
You seem to fail to realize the relativism here. One could reason the opposite way; "dislike Biden (or trump or both) and recognize that Trump was or is still worse.
@@dornishred6033 simply put, that’s just your opinion.
Yes, the Waking Up app is brilliant, as is Sam Harris. Thanks Tami and Sounds True for this interview.
Great job interviewing Sam. You just stayed out of his way and didn't interrupt him. TOO many podcast hosts constantly intrude on their guests ---trying to demonstrate how much they know and be the center of attention. Not you Tammy. You're secure enough to remain on the sidelines and let us hear your guest. With that said, I WISH you would have asked "If the 'self' is an illusion, WHY does everyone have that illusion? MIGHT the 'self' serve SOME PURPOSE? HOW does that illusion occur? Why are we not just naturally 'non-dual'?" Maybe you could send Sam some questions for a follow up? Thank you.
I think it’s for survival and part of evolution.
Your thoughts are legit... look into Bernardo Kastrup's analytical idealism. It is helping me to piece much of this together.
Ditto. Nicely done, Tami! Thank you for allowing Sam the space to think out loud.
Cheers from an iMBA student.
I think that naming the ‘self’ as an illusion is actually incorrect and misleading. What is meant is that the ‘self’ comes to mind - or is a content of experience - just like all other contents of experience.
After this is realized conceptually and engrained more consistently by way of particular meditations, the ‘self’ comes to mind less frequently, thereby creating the so-called non dual or no-self experience more and more regularly.
The ‘self’ is formed and comes to mind for evolutionary/cultural/societal purposes, but indeed, it is allowed to take up far more mind space than need be.
I like humans having conversations otherwise it's just a presentation. I don't like endless monologs where at the end the gear is switched to something else.
I always tune in when Sam Harris is being interviewed ! Thanks for hosting him.
Yes timeless voice and the Best Questions …. She’s amazing and so beautiful, ….
Thank you for having Sam on.
👍The first five minutes are already an enlightening and succinct summary of awareness and being, and a reminder of how grateful I am of the gift that is Sam Harris.
Wow Tami! You're such a great host. And Sam and his conviction and simple explanation of his views are outright a paradigm shift.
Yay! ❤ Sam Harris!❤
The hurt mentioned at 1.17 is what I call moral injury. I have injured myself by not sticking to my morals. If someone doesn't have the moral it won't hurt them.
Sam, there are dimensions about your perspectives that I question, but your sincerity of thought is not among them.
Thank you for this conversation. It was worth the time and energy to listen and consider. Cheers!
"Tomorrow's mastery begins with mental calm today."
What are your questions?
Tomorrow does NOT exist ❤.
They DONT want the Apple Cart to be upset . All by design ❤. Monarc controll.
Heart based Consciousness is key. Being present clears through the illusion of time, it is all timeless. Keep awareness in the heart
I could not believe my eyes when I saw one of my favorite people, Tami Simon, with whom I’ve been recently following, Sam Harris. What a thrill! Is there a longer interview somewhere?
Thank you Sam. You have help me to view the other way ❤. This is the vibration of MY soul ❤. Eyes mind heart and soul wide open. NO FEAR! Just let it flow ! ❤
You’ll feel even better after realising that there’s no soul ;)
An excellent conversation!
The ending was so cute! Lol. Thanks so much for this podcast.
So much of this is consistent with the philosophy of Stoicism 😊
New fan here. Thank you for having Sam on for a chat.
Neti Neti (Sanskrit: नेति नेति) is a Sanskrit expression that means "not this, not that", or "neither this nor that" (neti is sandhi from na iti "not so"). It is found in the Upanishads and the Avadhuta Gita and constitutes an analytical meditation that helps a person to understand the nature of Brahman by negating everything that is not Brahman.
One of the key elements of Jnana Yoga practice is often a "neti neti search." The purpose of the exercise is to negate all objects of consciousness, including thoughts and the mind, and to realize non-dual awareness.
Wonderful, just the sort of thing I like to see from you Duncan it’s really amazing. New techniques, materials and styles, more of this please!
Sam is the best!
@26:15 (should be a concern that esp can't be scientifically proven). I agree with that. But, I literally saw an example of it with my own two eyes. I had to put a senior dog down. When I returned home my other dog wasn't there at the door eagerly expecting her (like coming from the groomer). I called out to him, he didn't come (even more not like him). I thought I had to go back to the vet with this other dog. I walked into the house and he was sitting in the hallway, with his back to me, looking at the spot where she always laid. I called him, and he looked over his shoulder & back at the floor. He _knew._ Everything about that was not normal.
Five years later I had to put him to sleep (age). That prior experience came to my mind as we walked through the door (where I'd expected him to be that time). I told him "if there's anything out there, come back and tell me." When I came home from the vet, I'd forgotten saying that (it sounded nostalgic I guess when I said it. I wasn't watching for a "sign"). I opened that door and remembered the last time (but not what I'd said leaving) and it CREAKED amazingly loud. It never had before. I instantly thought of what I'd said on the way out.
So, that last one could be more coincidental, or I was "primed" some way I didn't consciously notice (maybe the door creaked before and I didn't notice it, and I was subconsciously primed to make the connection). But, the first one was _completely_ not like that. I really saw something unexplainable. (I think the 2nd one was as valid, but I admit: who knows? But, the first one, there was _no_ way I could have had confirmation bias or anything. I saw what I saw without expecting anything other than "this will be awkward, he's expecting to maul her comig through the door..." and then he knew already.).
I agree.... Tammy has a beautiful voice and Aura about her. Maybe she's in Nirvana..❤
I did an ouch at the phrase “Dangers of the Islamic religion”
Man are we hated, although I get where most people are coming from it still hurts.
Great interviewer!
Consideration given to what we think is important reality ❤. 😢. Learn to not give YOUR energy away to anyONE or anyTHING ❤. Live YOUR bliss !❤
Mindfulness is the ultimate in Eastern teachings. Understanding childhood dependency needs and its effects at the individual, family, and societal levels is the ultimate in Western teachings (lookup John Bradshaw's Homecoming). Between the two is the middle path.
Where is the full debate? It was here and disappeared. The full debate was amazing. Give it back please
Fantastic interview. Love the explanation of the blind spot
People should also really consider the teachings of Emmes Dos. It's truly the foundation for windows into the soul.
31:20 hearing about Sam's dream was the funniest thing i've heard today
A millimeter of a millersecond ! Less than a finger snap . (PURENESS ).
Meditation is equally about developing the heart and not just the mind. You can feel it when there is no heart in the conversation and it just flows from the head.
That was a great interview, thank you!
The breath work ❤
"How would you language that?". Nice! I've never heard "language" as a verb. Now I can say "Stop languaging me!" instead of "Shut up!".
We spend time explaining a beautiful mystery. That is so cute.
a witness is untouched by experience/thought. making use of them to evolve but not 'them' - a paradigm to realize... the quantum reality.
Way too many ads
Advertising interruptions THREE times within the first 10min 😫😫😫
True, this is the reason why Hinduism is called sanatana, "Eternal", the teachings of advaita vedanta is eternal and doesn't belongs to hindus or indians, it belongs to everyone.
❤️🙏RW
Sam gets it.
10 minutes into the interview and it sounds like Sam has never suffered. Even when u have become aware that u are not ur thoughts, u can feel more or less happy, blissful, miserable etc That IS obviously part of ur consciousness! Nothing metaphysical about that! Puzzled that this is not debated 15 min into the interview!
Seems too reductionist.
@22:00 (consciousness, what is it) I think it's interesting to consider how we may have more in common with snails & slugs than what we expect to be in common with. I always think of snails lording over slugs, "I have elevated sight! I'm vastly beyond those surface- mounted things. I can _really_ see!" Here we are, "'I'm not like a snail. I can balance the books!" Our perceverent experience could be more like the snail's (relative to all we're *not* perceiving due to sensors not tuned to it).
I think it was Anaka (Sam's wife) said on a Lex Friedman interview something about imagining you're in a bag. All you know is your experience in the bag (being in the bag). And then one day someone pokes a hole in your bag. You instantly become fixated on this source of input. You wake up in the morning & press your sensor (eye) aganst the hole, trying to make sense of it all (until the lights go out). The whole inside experience is lost. You'e narrating about the other bags you see, whch ones are the better ones. From being to explaining.
I think that also applies to how we could be experiencing a tiny pinhole of what's there. We become so attached the pinhole that it's everything that can be.
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Wow! Beautifully said.
Sam Harris is a great living example that a person can be both deeply enlightened and deeply racist. He both helps people awaken and supports the genocide of the Palestinian people in the same breath.
Wow! Awesome. You have Sam!
We are all trained ZOO animals until we break free ❤! You must do the work ❤.
I have heard her say “sounds true” 10,000 times. I have heard Sam 1,000 times. I have been waking up with Sammy for many moons now.
Why the video time duration decreases to 24 min😑😑
Do you happen to know _what_ they cut out? Some viewers posted timestamps that are no longer valid now.
@@HiAdrian it is like 1 hr something video... i found it on their website tho.. search it.
@@HiAdrian it was like 1 hr sth video. But you can find it on their website but search by the title.
@@markhenok5386 OK, thanks!
While I appreciate Sam Harris's work and his contributions to understanding the mind and consciousness, I feel that his approach is overly materialistic. He tends to reduce the conscious experience to mere physical and neurological processes, without adequately considering perspectives that view consciousness as fundamental. This reductionist view may limit our understanding of the true nature of consciousness and its relationship with reality. It is important to also explore other approaches that treat consciousness as a primary and essential aspect of existence.
"it came with the body and everything" 👀
Nature's Source Code, lite, water, magnetism, TIME , plasma, plasma plasma ❤. Eyes mind heart and soul wide open. NO FEAR ❤! Don't die ❤!❤❤❤❤❤Decentralization ❤maybe our spices only hope ❤
That is still really confusing. What is the point of the reflection in the lake and mirror/ window analogy? I don't like being contrived to observing that reflection, I prefer the idea of seeing through it and being open to the world, not obsessed with the reflection which brings into mind the idea of the self. Hopefully I'll understand soon.
The point has nothing to do with contrivances, reflections or obsession. The analogy simply illustrates that we can reliably fail to notice something that is situated at the surface because we've been misled by our own intuitions or by the instructions of others into believing that what we seek must surely be lurking deep below.
@VimDoozy ok I think I get. In this case it would refer to the idea that the freedom from our ego is available at the surface kinda thing, yeah? Our uncontaminated awareness, contact with the present moment?. Thanks for sharing.
I agree. That wasn't the clearest (no pun intended) analogy I've heard Sam use. I'm like you about the idea I prefer, or what I would read into (or look for) in that analogy (the reflection isn't real, what lays past it is). Maybe the problem is that we "prefer" (or "look for") what we expect? We got ahead of the story because "I know what he's going to say..?" The reflection is real, and so is what lays beyond it. And then there's our explanation of that? Which is better? The "answer" to the riddle? The riddle is that they're both. The Buddha's middle way?
After one of my children were born and I wasn’t so well I saw my mother standing at the end of my bed smiling at me. She was still alive but had she been dead I probably would have thought she was visiting me from the other side 😂
When the caterpill looses its HEAD , before it enters the cacoone to morf into the beautiful butterfly.
Ai will soon take the guess work out of it and all gurus and snake oil salesmen will soon be gone ❤. ! Love Sam ❤
what sams says abt the diff between hinduism and buddhism, is the diff between the masculine (buddhism) and the feminine (hinduism).
❤great 👍 awesome...finally Sam 😂 🙏🙏
Sam mentions the moral lapses of Chogyam Trungpa, and indirectly his key student Osel Tendzin, both who I met. Sam, for all his Buddhist knowledge and experience, doesn’t seem to know that Buddhists don’t follow blindly a teacher, they follow the teachings and instructions, which have to be tested by ourselves, and these are grounded in ethical principles. Even Buddhist non-dualism doesn’t leave ethics behind. Sam loves to bring up Chogyam Trungpa. Have me over for a recording on this, Sam. I don’t have an audience nor am I a teacher so it won’t be to gain followers from your audience.
It’s not clear what Sam said that you’re actually objecting to.
@@therainman7777 My points is that ethical or moral lapses with anyone, including teachers, do not diminish the value in their teachings. If Sam Harris beats his wife, does that diminish the values or benefit of what he shares? Einstein seemed to have been a bad husband and father, yet his discoveries stand. I have no doubt Sam understands this, yet...
@@codecodigo5461 Sam was not saying that a teacher’s moral failings invalidate their teachings. In fact, he made clear that the opposite is often true. He repeated that several times. The only reason they were talking about teacher behavior at all is that the host brought up the subject, by asking how spiritual attainment interacts with ethicality. So naturally, in answering that question it is very useful to speak about people who have high attainment but have behaved unethically. Really not sure what you’re up in arms about.
@@therainman7777 So, share with me, because I may be missing something here? Is it just that Sam tends to bring up Chogyam simply to drive the point you shared, and there's nothing more to it? If so, ok.
@@codecodigo5461 In my experience of listening to his work, yes, that’s usually why he brings him up. Specifically if the conversation turns to spirituality and ethics, he will choose an example of a spiritual teacher with great levels of attainment who nevertheless behaved badly on many occasions, to show that the two things are not perfectly correlated.
What is a spell nor a cursed? Remember already set UNDERFOOT! What is my Time just passing through? Sent forth! From Who? Same why ye all are given sincere conversations unto Whom?
If we can "wire" our brains, why can't we "rewire" it. It is a no brainer.
15:22 Just the absurdity of his answer has me forgetting the original question, what is it like walking up as Sam Harris? I just laughed for a full minute, his answer, I don’t have a brain, therefor consciousness. ~paraphrasing
im watching with serra my gf
There is no such a way as someone with power, it's just a sheer lie.
Is like talking to my Host Harris! I know Who "i" AM talking too? Say remove thy eyes! The light is thy eyes! To see. Will ye know the voice of my Shepherd? Without a sound!
I go on a lot of veg-pasta retreats too.
sam harris himself 👏
Why is her audio so bad compared to Sam’s?
Sam’s room is obviously acoustically treated so you don’t hear reflections in the room. Hers is not. The quality of the microphone will be a big factor as well.
sams voice always sounds better even if he’s the guest 😅
基础的神经结构不好改，但可以尽力寻找与之适应的生存空间。
The unthered SOUL , Michael Singer. The Power Of NOW , Edcart Tollie. (?).
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@@AL-cn6pp ? ... explain if you would . Tks.
Beautiful ❤️ podcast. However, Sam seems to be taken in by Adveta nonsense. 😅
So much of our , " so called " existence is EGO driven all by conditioned matrix design 😢. Eyes mind heart and soul wide open. NO FEAR ! Just learn to live the flow of existence ❤.
51:00
Which one come first (i) Chicken or (ii) Eggs?
Rephrase the question.
Which one come first (i) Living being or (ii) non-living matter?
1:50 1:54 2:00 she's hearing that as an indirect neg? À la face for radio? People don't like getting compliments for things they wouldn't take credit for?
And of course "Sounds True" of course to my ear is "sounds meretricious" - these are in a sense unavoidable inconvenient associations… Ironies that could only exist in the map itself..
4:58 non subjective distance 5:12 analogous to our opportunity to wake up. 6:07 ready to feel we are the subject of the next circumstance
6:15 there is no proprioception of thought
Normalization of this view through many schools of thought
8:50 bracketing this conversation from any other claims associated with it, before we start tripped off into space with conclusions of cosmology
I will stop at five minutes seven seconds. I am so much past this’ for the rest of you enjoy.
人生重大问题没有办法从根本上解决，只能小心翼翼地维持
Carl Jung
Lies over philandering and manipulating people? Does that work? Seems to for a certain someone, at least to a point
Go back to your studies!
Why does he always say, "right"?
He's trying to get under your skin.
So beautiful
The robots Sam predicted has already happened in Japan.
Can you reject everything sam says?
Don’t believe everything you think.
Right. Don’t take one’s thoughts and feelings as reality 🙏🏽
Sam "If everything was different I would have been right" Harris
The brain exists WITHIN Consciousness.
Everything is Consciousness
But what about people who are in a coma? They're not conscious but their brain still exists..
Consiousness is deeply impersonal, yet not fundamental, because I (Sam) am agnostic, because it's a mystery yet to be solved by science. This seems to be a continuing war of science vs religion. So basically nothing new. Nothing thought provoking, playing with words and trying to sell the waking up app is what this podcast is?
The freeing of one’s own mind from being pushed around by thought holds genuine value.
What do you allude to regarding “religion”?
@@michaellabbe2873 The freeing of one's on mind is something stoics, platos and ancient philosophers of the world have talked about thousands of years ago - nothing new! Re: religion, I heard the podcast for like 30 minutes and it seemed to me that his mindset seemed to be sort of people who talk science vs religion. May be i am wrong, but this is how I felt.🙂
maybe someone should ask a neuro surgeon that question ...
of course you can rewire your brain , we do it CONSTANTLY from an early age , it never stops
neurons are cells too , so they already get replaced every day
yu take up a new hobby at the age of 80 , you're rewiring your brain , simple
Well I'm done with you. He's a bigot.
Sam is still too caught up in the materialst paradigm and thus his confusion.He tries in vain to marry what is in essence two modes of consciousness.
I'm a robot Beep boop
Somewhere in there, S.H. has some beautifully developed ideas. But I'd rather listen to someone read a book, where the thinking has been edited, than to a rambling 20 minute non-answer to a question. More thought, less talking please.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Are you a bot?
I am surprised Tammy would listen to Sam who calls those who protest genocide in Gaza 'imbeciles'.
There is NO genocide committed by Israel in Gaza. Hamas is TOTALLY responsible for the deaths in Gaza. By the way why is no nearby or bordering country, for example, Egypt allowing Palestinians refuge. Think about THAT
By the way protesters are either ignorant of the situation, not thinking rationally, antisemitic or a combination of these factors. Imbeciles also
@@foxyheart517how are you defining genocide? I looked up the definition and I’m not certain how it’s NOT a genocide
Hamas's Sinwar said the other day that casualties are great PR. He practices the "we love death" mantra. It's hard to know what "genocide" means to people like that (other than PR for everyone else).
@@VeritableVagabond Well, read the definition again. Practically speaking, if Israel wanted to literally eliminate an ethnicity,, race or nationality they would have certainly done so way before now. Arabs, Muslims live, worship and participate politically and socially in Israeli society. The Hamas leader had some form of cancer, brain I think, and was treated, received surgery,; his life saved, by an Israeli doctor who is Jewish.
he has this wrong; the brain is not creating, it is receiving. the brin is not independent of the mind. I cant listen any more to this person.. waffles.
You are not listening
Dr Gary Schwartz neuropsychologist at the University of Arizona has done multiple psychic experiments including a triple blind study that showed the results to be greater than chance. I’ve listened to Sam Harris on other talk shows and I’m disappointed that he comes across as arrogant.
Greater than chance is also chance. It should be 100% verified without any chance.
That's a subjective experience, not universal