Could you do a story on Brittany William Arrested in her driveway for allegedly throwing a spoon at an officer parked on her property without her permission.
I swear, I am fairly certain that this video has been done before. I think it was done a few years back as I remember the story completely along with you giving the officers a (C) I think due to the detainment of the teacher
I m from INDIA. I have gone through ur so many videos and much impressed. But I have to ask u one question that is, " Under the name of police safety police very harshly , rudely,in a very exuarated manner does the initial investigation and result in pulling gun and handkuff which is not necessary always. Question is that this behaviour n treatment of police are creating anti trust about police and making people more immune about crime, cz unnecessary police use force and that make very bad picture about law n judicial, R U AGREE WITH THIS ?" And in so many events police even don't care what kind of force they have to use in which circumstances. When i see police are Pulling gun on a man in home with his small child almost under 3 4 yrs, feel very sorry for the picture creating in these small children. AND SOCIETY IS THE REFLECTION OF IMAGES IN MIND IN EACH INDIVIDUAL. I have request to all Americans try to overlook this unseen but manufacturing unit of criminals... I m ranked class one officer, n I have discussed this because I also love Americans and their VISIONS. And I want America also remain a great nation In India, not very good but law n judiciary is doing better n day bye day improving ...
in this instance, minus the cops attempts to get the principal to violate school policy and the overall way the cops just assumed the school was hiding the kid, they didnt actually break any rules... morally yes they get an F, but they didnt commit any punishable offenses
I love how the cop tried to ask an emotionally manipulative question about the principals children and the principal shut that shit down immediately and ended any friendliness right then and there.
His attitude totally changed after that question. He’s a great principal that clearly cares about the safety and reputation of his students. You can see he got upset when they implied one of his students is a murderer.
Right! How did that cop think this was going to go? Cop: What if it was your child who was shot at? Principal: Oh my, you’re right! Let me trample on my student’s rights for you now that you put it that way. 🙄
@@ellengrace4609 well the video was about how the police officers had the right. Diminished rights in schools. Because there are other innocent children whose safety trumps homeboys rights when he might be responsible for killing another person. The principal did a great job too. But the police officers are obligated to prioritize the safety of other children if they are in the presence of a young man who may be walking around with a gun.
@@taycie1486 My point was that the stupid comment by the cop was unnecessary and ineffective. In fact, that comment/question immediately shut down the principal.
Thanks so much for the kind words everyone. I am the Principal shown in this video. This situation was very unfortunate, but everyone should remember that the students that are served by this school experience similar interactions with the police in their daily lives.
When he said “do you have kids?” I wouldn’t have been able to stop myself from squinting and scoffing and exclaiming ha!!! You could give lessons on how to handle a manipulator.
Thanks for being a well informed principal. Where I'm from, they would of came in, with the principal leading the way, and beat whoever & snatched them out.
Funny how the cop logic here is, "If it was your child, wouldn't you break the policy?" This corruption is such a part of their personalities that they can't imagine anyone having integrity.
I'm SO glad someone else said this (and so well too)... I get this silent, irritated anxiety in some cases because I feel so alone with such opinions and it's difficult to succinctly relay certain things. You always catch these people (the officer) with stupid, though forceful opinions, shoving their false narratives of reality down everyone's throat and, most of the time, we get steamrolled by them because the honest complexion of the situation is too nuanced to quickly elucidate. Thank you!
The proper real to that question is, If you were pressured to do something that would get you fired and your family homeless, would you still do it? It’s like when you hear someone say, “If all of your friends jump off a cliff would you jump off a cliff.” The proper response to that is, “If you are driving in traffic and the cars in front of you stop would you?”
Exactly. Those cops looked so frustrated to be thwarted by such a calm, gentle, resolute man. Their desire to domineer and manipulate was put in sharp contrast.
This happened in my high school back in 2003 my principle wouldn’t let the kid go talk the police and the police arrested my principal. I was shocked watching her walk out it was first thing in the morning. She sued and got her money from the city. This was at the beginning of the school year she came back at the end of the school year in June. Much respect to her for that!!!
@@freshpotatoes1107 Cops face no consequences for their actions most of the time. That is why there is an entire movement demanding for accountability from cops. But hey demanding accountability is bad, because it's communism or it's racist or whatever conservative media claims it is.
@@titomala-madre I know. They are all in bed with each other doing the same crap the're putting people in jail for. It's really quite astonishing that this stuff actually goes on. It just shows you that not even the most sophisticated minds ever grow up. It's basically a high school attitude in an adult system.
This principle knows his shit, he's not a parent or guardian so he has no authority to grant access to a minor, he's acting very smart and responsible.
He said he is a parent but was not going to talk about his kids. I think that could partly be what made him say no right away though without even checking first. I think it's better that he has kids because he's acting with the thoughts of "if this was my kid" So he probably thought "if a cop went in demanding to question my child at their school, about being involved in a very serious crime, I would hope my child's principal will stand up for their rights too since I'm not there to do so" I'm not a mom so that's a guess lol but I agree that he was awesome. Also as a principal I sort of feel like there's some sort of responsibility/authority over the minors he is responsible for that are enrolled in that school 🤔🤷♀️😂 (literally not sure how much that even applies 🤣🤦♀️)
I think this warrants a bit more explanation cuz I certainly wasn't expecting to get this many likes. When I said teachers don't think students have rights, I wasn't being hyperbolic or just hating on strict teachers, I mean their textbooks for education majors effectively teach them that while at school they're wards of the state and rights are at the teachers discretion.
@@RichieAppel yeah that's not how rights work, so screw that guy. You either have rights or you don't. And if they can be arbitrarily taken away, then they're privelages at best
It seems like Principal Ketzer is no longer the principal at Rise Up. But wherever he is in his career path, I genuinely hope it will always be on the road of educating today’s youth. Mr. Ketzer- you are a rare and shining star in our country’s public education system. Your dedication to your students first and foremost is admirable and commendable. You set a VERY powerful example to your staff and to other administrators. As a mother of 2 teenagers I would be honored if they had the opportunity to thrive under your guidance and care.
I certainly wouldn't want a principal to use his ideology to put all of the children there in danger because his emotions and anti-police sentiment is more important than allowing police to find a murder suspect who could be armed and dangerous within the school.
@@markobighead3173 An educator such an he, did not just stumble into becoming the principal. His track record and level head, his dedication to students safety and well-being is how and why he rose to that level. Do you really think the school wasn’t aware of the situation? Do you really think they just thought, “meh if he’s in here and armed, fuck it”. No. They obviously knew what was going on, made sure the kid wasn’t a threat to himself or anyone (making sure the safety of others was confirmed), and THEN protected his civil rights.
@@markobighead3173 So he followed his policy’s that the school had set and that means he is spreading his ideology? Lmao what a joke go to the station and dick ride there.
At that point, my response would have been to have them "leave the property and that we'll conduct our own search." Followed by, "if we find him, we'll advise him of his rights and, if he wants to talk to you, we'll send him outside and across the street to where you guys will be standing. Goodbye."
"Do you have children?" That has no bearing on this interaction officer...you are attempting to play on my emotions to circumvent the school policies and the law.
Unfortunately I couldn’t watch the full video, was this a quote said in the video by the principal or your own words. Well said either way. Time stamp me if you can
He was wanted for attempted homicide, he shot at someone’s kid and they were hiding him, and the cop asked how he’d react if someone shot at his kid and if he’d hide them from the police
What a jerk statement, "So if he shot at your kids, you'd have the same policy?" I would hope so. A standard isn't a standard unless it's, well, standard.
@@hotrodsather Perfectly natural response. Using "reasonable" is quite a stretch imo. I understand why he'd appeal to emotion in an attempt to manipulate the situation, but it doesn't make it any less disgusting.
@@六十-t1iMaybe I have a low disgust factor and high expectations and general respect for people in positions of authority. Are there more disgusting people? Yes Does that make this any less disgusting? No I'd like to believe that the cream rises to the top eventually, but it's apparent at all levels of policing, the saying, "sh*t floats" is more appropriate as of late.
@@pr9039look at mass shootings and ask yourself how many of them happen in gun free zones? In fact there was one shooting at a school where it was confirmed the shooter was going to go to a different school at first but that other school had armed security. We need to get rid of gun free zones and we'll see mass shootings disappear real quick
are we going to ignore the part where the cop lied and said the principal went straight upstairs, when we saw on the bodycam that he immediately went down the hall to the classroom the kid was supposed to be in?
Exactly! I had to go back and watch because I thought the same thing... he went straight to the classroom and then the video cut to him at the bottom of the stairs
Even if the principal HAD gone upstairs... so what? Perhaps that is where his office is, and he went to check the student's schedule and the attendance report. If the teacher reported the student absent (especially if he had been reported absent in multiple classes) that would be sufficient cause for the principal to believe that the student was not in the building, or at the very least not in his assigned class.
You can see the gears in these cop's heads grind to a halt when they are faced with a situation where they don't get to assert 100% control over others.
That principle genuinely seems like he wants the best for his kids no matter who they are or what their background is, he just wants to try and make sure that they can keep their life straight.
It's extremely professional of them to sit there, smugly joking and laughing about it all, while quietly conspiring against the teachers.. What a bunch of scumbags.
Brain damaged order following dogs without morals - they love chasing cars like dogs and they gather in packs ready to attack - and tin around each other smelling each others butt. Though sometimes these idiots can be useful.
This whole thing smells funny. They said they were looking for him to question him about a shooting. They obviously didn't think he was armed and dangerous at first. He wasn't armed and dangerous until they ran out of other options. If he would have been considered armed and dangerous then it would have been much different. They wouldn't have walked up and engaged in polite conversation with the staff while students roamed around. It's bs. Cops finding a way to get what they want regardless of the law.
I think the school head safety liaison decided that someone who had been possibly armed the night before and in a shooting warranted a search by police bc if they HAD been armed and a school shooting would have happened everyone would have been b.itching about how no one cares about our students blah blah. Everyone gets so up in arms about school shootings and schools have changed so many policies bc of that. We didn’t hear LEO say he could be armed but maybe it’s school policy re school shooting safety.
@Sam Yaza Taurus fiend's response to koltred also applies to your comment. Also they are the discovery/investigatory phase so this is all within normal procedure.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 I agree that it is normal procedure. That they started with the truth "wanted to talk to him" and the police changed their story until "he was possibly armed" so they could get in the door.
In the end it comes down to assertion of rights. Any conversation with a Law Enforcement officer(Local/county/state/federal) especially if questions of any kind are being asked counts as an interrogation. In short an officer asking a distressed child if their parent is around counts as an interrogation but very few would raise a fuss over it as it is to ensure the safety and well being of a child. Undercover/Plain Cloths messures are also considered if an officer is off-duty and asking about a situation they found themselves at. Reasonable exceptions and expectations are rarely thought about, and only policies like the school system mentioned in this video actively prevents LEOs from performing an interrogation on a minor without a parent or legal guardian as standard practice. By Law the only difference between a parent/guardian being present for the interrogation of a minor, and a Lawyer present at the interrogation of an adult is the nature of the relationship between suspect and their representative.
One thing my daughter will know is to never talk to police without me or our lawyer present. No matter how good you are at polishing boots with your mouth, whatever you say can and will incriminate you
So if a parent is complicit in their child's crimes all they have to do is deny the police to talk to them? That's not how it works. A child has the option to not have their parents there.
I realise I'm watching this episode a yr down the track, but, I found it absolutely terrifying to think that the police thought it in ANY WAY appropriate to corner a 'possibly armed murder suspect' in a school classroom, thereby endangering the lives of other students whilst effecting such an arrest in such a location! Had my child been one of the other students, I would have been gut-wrenched ...
Exactly my thoughts! And probably why they have that policy in place, which I think is actually very smart. Make school the safe place to reduce the chance of violence there! Glad to see I am not the only one to see that, pity it’s not the police to see that wisdom.
@Bill K It’s the police’s job to de-escalate the situation, not increase tension and fear by prowling the school with their own guns. It’s not that they should have done nothing, it’s their inappropriate way of handling it
@Bill K Yeah, I can see both sides. I mean, would you want to allow a possibly armed murder suspect to continue being around your kids? There is no good solution, really.
The worst part about it is he was only wanted for questioning which is another way of saying they ain't got shit on him They don't have enough to actually arrest him or really even detain him. AKA no actual evidence pointing to him being involved in whatever it is they're investigating. So they're going to go into a school and disrupt all of the students learning to question someone they don't even have enough on to arrest in the first place.
The cops can lie but you can't. Went from wanting to question the student to him being armed and dangerous. As a parent, I truly appreciate the Principal's following not only the school policy, but also protecting the student's rights and the dedication to the students in his school. All school's could only be so lucky to have a Principal like him.
I can sort of get that. Lying in pursuit of justice IS better than lying to prevent justice. the problem though is that often-times the police are not actually on the side of justice.
@@anniedarkhorse6791 using "nob-head" as an insult then tells someone to grow up. the irony is lost on you. if you were a suspect in a crime would you want your rights violated and disregarded? to allow police to bust in and drag you out of a building stomping you and beating you with batons? is this the kind of world you want to live in?
@@alexanderredhorse1297 I get where you’re coming from and you’re right that sort of behavior is unacceptable. But, and this is an important but, the student was a suspect of a violent crime, it is absolutely fair to assume that he would keep a weapon on him so it is well within reason to consider him potentially armed and dangerous, and in a situation where not only officers, but other students and faculty are in a potential danger zone it makes sense why they phrased it as such.
If they had any probable cause or evidence, it'd be a warrant. They're probably a shot in the dark rather than an actual suspect. Not upholding his rights would be a lawsuit waiting to happen and a bunch of people getting fired. Plus yet another kid/school that has a negative experience with law enforcement. Don't think the police need any more negative PR right now.
@@sheildingepicness weasely? So a guy that violates a fucking minors rights just because its a cop asking to violate someones rights? And the guy who says thats bullshit is the "weasel"? No sounds like you are a weasel.
If a SCHOOL is protecting someone.. odds are they're either not your suspect, or the answers will come out in due time, it's not like this PRINCIPLE was a mafia crime lord refusing to let them talk to a dinner guest. He literally told them, hey we're not letting you have anyone during school hours and we're not breaching the trust of any of our students just to hand you someone before the end of the day.
oh look honey... Another internet expert! Casually throwing around terms they learned not even five mins ago on Wiki, like they have a PhD in the subject. ^ comment above
@@AnHebrewChild God I hope you're a bot and not actually as ignorant as that makes you out to be. If having a PHD made any difference in the world, which it doesn't, that's would just be more reason to respect the teachers in this context as I'd bet money they're the closest ones to having their own. Id thank you to think things through before you try insulting someone, but I suppose I can't ask much of only two brain cells.
“So if he shot at your kids would it still be school policy?” That line itself already shows where the officers head at the kid is already considered guilty. Shout out to the principal for protecting his students and following policy because the whole innocent til proven guilty does not exist in this country whatsoever you are guilty until you can prove your innocence
That question was something that really stood out to me too. It's an obvious (and poorly executed) manipulation tactic. The officer's intention in asking that question is to circumvent the law, which is a blatant and egregious violation of his oath, considering that his job is to enforce the law.
It doesn't show that the officer considers him guilty, it shows the officer is worried about the safety of the children at the school and making sure a potential murderer isn't amoung them... wish the principle cared about protecting the students too 🤷
I give an F-. the "Youd be fine with them shooting your kids?" line is entirely trying to bully his way into getting what he wants and something that should never be acceptable.
Ikr. It's the same poor logic attempt at manipulating people into submitting that I face every single day here on TH-cam. Yes, these police officers just used the same methods in conversation as TH-cam commenters.
@Trizzle Hizzle how that boot leather taste, bud? If the police even suspected that a shot had been fired they wouldnt have to even speak to the principal.
Funny how the police went from "we just need to question him" to "he's armed and dangerous" when they didn't immediately get their way. They basically lied to escalate the situation to a point where they were given free reign to run all over the school and it's teachers. Called the Principal a liar and possibly a criminal for standing up to them. There was no evidence that the kid was even involved in the crime, or they would have came with an arrest warrant to take him. They invasively interrupted a school, treated the teachers like criminals, all on a hunch the "suspect", not actual "perpetrator" of a crime might be there. This was an abuse of police power , no ifs ands or buts. They gave no shits for the fact that the school is for emotionally troubled students.
You hit it on the mark. Your assessment was far better than audit the audit as he tends to give extra points to cops for being “nice” about it. They get a D and that’s being generous.
@@RobertTarmac Had there been an active warrant for the student there would have been no further need to contact head of school security and waste their own time, let alone the schools. Furthermore, had they felt that need to not show the warrant to anyone at the school but had one, they would not have needed to go through a 30 minute "discussion" and wait while disrupting outside people also. Finally, and MOST important to your comment....the most "low-key" and "calm" way to apprehend a suspect at a school is WITH help from school officials by calmly speaking to them and showing the warrant by requesting them to go bring the student to a secure location away from possible vulnerabilities. What they did in this instance was disrupt an ENTIRE school as opposed to the proper method. BTW. Your first sentence was the greatest act of projection I've ever seen in the comment section.
I know it's an entirely different situation, but my 9 year old daughter was taken out of class by the cops and interviewed without my consent or knowledge. The schoo called to tell me about it. Turns out I had told my sister in law that our daughters cousin pushed her privacy boundaries when on sleep overs, so she came to me pleading no matter when she asks, I am to decline having her as an overnight guest in the future. My sis in law was having issues with her daughter, so I confided in her. Somehow the police were informed. These were all kids 9 and under. We as a result were blamed for the family chaos that followed. .....our daughter forced into counseling, her cousin branded an offender, really could have been handled by loving and emotionally intelligent parents, as I thought we all were.....but were not. Lives disrupted. Cops trampled our rights.
@Jack Ophelott obvs I do because if they didn’t follow the cops “policy” like you said he needed up being paid huge over that “policy” so don’t be I literate lil boy
@@carryeveryday910 No, hes harboring a student of his who is being accused in a system that requires the presumption of innocence, a presumption that others seem all to quick to dispel with assuming that you seem to believe that as soon as the state has determined they want to talk to you all other relationships you have should be null and void and they should report you to the state.
@@carryeveryday910 The principle was not harboring anyone, as the police searched the entire school and did not find the student... The student is not in the building...is this not what the principle said to the police??? It is not the principle's fault if the police chose not to believe him. The principle did exactly what he was supposed to do as the principle of the school...thus he got an A.
So your telling me these idiots thought it was smart to trap a suspect of a shooting inside a school filled with other children... Wow shut this department down! Rehire and start over. If my child was in that building I would have my own lawsuit to file!
The principal was being nice, calm and professional. Out of nowhere they try and bring his kids into a obviously confrontational analogy to provoke a hostile response is very irritating. This principle is protecting his students and that’s very nice to see.
"Do you guys have a card so I can give it to him when he shows back up?" This man is galaxy brain, he's using manipulation tactics against the manipulators. Love it.
He was fishing for probable cause. If he ended up needing to get a warrant? He wanted to be able to tell the judge the kid was IN the school not that the kid is maybe in the school possibly.
When you watch the videos where cops have pulled someone over, questioned them and then relay what they asked and what the person they were questioning said you see pretty quickly how they hear what they want to hear. They "paraphrase" in a way that changes what was said to provide them the most leeway and make the person they questioned the most sketchy. But it's not just cops, people just make up things all the time, some 3rd party will say something like "the guy in blue threw the first punch" ...video shows the guy in red throwing the first punch.
The older looking teacher in the cap behind the desk/register at first (that gets skipped right at the start) said he'd seen the kid in school that day 100%, but was unsure where he was because he should be on break or just finishing break, that's more than implying. It's a small special school with few pupils and he said he knew him and he was present in school that day. That's purely shitty editing to purposefully remove details by this TH-camr at every opportunity, to make it look worse on the police, watch the full un-cut version without all this added biased and opinion shaping to get a real feel for what happened.
What makes the principal get an A+ from me is that one of the reasons he was so assertive in not letting them in, is because that school is specialized for troubled teens. They make it a point to make them feel safe and actually come to school on a regular basis and put them on the right path. The way he protected his students makes me a little more hopeful for humanity.
I'd give him an A-, though. He took a great and unecessary risk stating that the student was NOT in the school premises (05:10). Now imagine the cops find the kid inside the school or nearby. Or find proof (camera) he was actually in there during the interaction. The principal would face jail time. He should've kept the initial logic of "I cannot confirm whether he is here or not".
@@tomhanks7873 under the suspicion of murder and wanted for murder are very different. If they had evidence he'd done it the police would've provided a warrant there are ways around it. It's people like you that give LOE so much power for no reason. Go back to school.
@@enigma5014 He was a suspect, but they hadn't even questioned him yet. We should assume the student is innocent until proven guilty and ensure they get their rights and due process.
The principal should have replied Yes I have three goats to keep the lawn in my garden short KIDS are goats - everyone should learn that fact - and Children is a purely legal term. People do not have kids nor children. The poorly educated people do not know that. They have sons and daughters
@@ryanow5437 That was not what the officer did though. Also, they dk if the child is even guilty (they said he was wanted for questioning and it switched to another intimidation tactic) and bringing the man’s own kids into it and acting like it’s related to the case is bias. The emotional manipulation was especially heinous…
I can't express how much I appreciate that the principal was standing for the rights of the students in his care. There are too many stories out there of police interrogating minors without proper representation.
You have to be real though, if the suspect did shoot at the principals kids, you damn well know he would have let the cops turn the school upside down searching for the suspect.
@@venturoes1912 I doubt the principals kids are involved in crime with a bunch of Latino kids. People don’t just shoot randomly at innocent people unless your a cop.
Around the 5minute mark he tried to vampire him. “I can come with you if you’d like” Sounds nice and friendly, a perfect way to legally get access to a property.
@@koltred No, not a murderer, an ALLEGED SUSPECT and not just that, one WITHOUT ENOUGH EVIDENCE for a warrant. "I think this guy is trouble" =/= guy is trouble.
i love how cops can inch forward and push boundaries with soft intimidation and its no big deal. but someone inches forward towards them and your face is in the street with a boot on your back and most likely multiple weapons drawn on you. interesting how that works.
Can I just add that I felt the officer asking the question "Do you have kids" to the Principle was way out of line. Not only was he asking rather personal information to someone who is not even a suspect, but he was also trying to use that personal information to sway the Principle's decision to adhere to the school's policies. I'm not well versed in law but I feel like that's just a scummy thing to do.
The officer at 12:06 lies about the principal going "straight upstairs" to look for the student instead of downstairs, which is where the classroom is at, implying that the principal went upstairs to either "warn" or "hide" the student. With that lie the officers got permission to search upstairs and everywhere else in the school. At 5:04 you can clearly see that the principal goes straight towards the classroom and not "straight upstairs" like the officer said.
@@Ghost7065 giving a false statement under oath making a false statement during investigation lying to his commanding officer obstruction of justice tampering with evidence I mean this list goes on if it was us all of these charges would have been padded on us and they would have thrown the fucking book at you. If you did more than 30 days you lost your job if you did more than 60 days you lost your home and probably your car as well those little gotcha cards we keep letting slip they damn sure don't let it slip they should have been arrested and charged as police officers they are held to higher standards that's actually the law these boys were clearly in the wrong and should be charged for it
@@jaytaylor2971 Definitely agreed. I think I posted in the wrong thread either way. I did do more research into the situation and damn. That's not all these F-ers apparantly also pulled out their guns on the teachers, even shoved one out of the way. though I'm not sure how accurate that report is as the person responsible for posting it did state that one of the officers pull the kid sitting down out of his chair (kid with the white hat) by grabbing his arm. That didn't happen in the video.
My High School principal won a Super Bowl with the Raiders and had his ring on display everyday. Big guy. I doubt the cops would have even tried this. They thought this principal was going to fold under pressure. Nuh uh.
"An officer who grabbed a teacher's arm during the search was cleared of misconduct." That tells me all I need to know about the reliability of the Denver Police Department's "internal investigation."
@Kyle If cops came into my work and were physically grabbing or pushing an employee around that's something I would want reported. Your rights only exist if you defend them.
Yea the way they're whispering/gossiping at 7:31 . Super weird and it gives off this sentiment of "oh yea we got him" almost feels like they're more interested in getting their way against the Principal than finding the kid
At least there was bodycam footage but who knows if anything was cut. The way they made that one kid take off his hat and stand up and compared his face was pretty dehumanizing, also... acab
@Isaac Kennedy Plus, the same cops probably had come from speaking with friends and family of the murder victim, and maybe the crime scene too. Imagine being at a crime scene and seeing a bunch of blood, then talking to a crying mother who begs you to get the person that did it. It's unsurprising that they don't have much patience when they feel like someone is harboring the suspect.
@@damonhtoo "when they feel like" Yeah, there's your problem right there. If they can't control their feelings and act like professionals they do not deserve respect.
@Koltred they really aren’t. You should educate yourself. Stop blindly listening to the anti narrative. Get rid of gun free zones. You don’t see punks shooting up cop shops do you?
It’s a sad reality. I’m a volunteer for my child’s school, I’m a room-mom or “parent volunteer” which means I’m available to help the teachers when they need an extra set of hands for crafts or parties or even just to come in and help students during the school day. I have to pass a background check and get fingerprinted each year which I totally agree with for the students’ safety. The saddest part, and really the point of my comment, is that when I go to the building there is only one door I can enter from, I have to ring a bell on camera, state my name and purpose, then be buzzed in through 2 separate locked doors…then I have to sign in and do the normal things like get a visitor sticker. I’m not allowed to leave a door open when bringing in gardening supplies or boxes of craft materials bc someone could easily get in if I propped a door open. Teachers can’t leave doors open during recess either. Here in the US, schools have to be locked down like this these days because of shootings and creeps. To be clear, I’m not mad at the school for having these precautions in place, I’m upset that kids have to go to school with so much fear for their well-being now.
@@brielliott04 thanks for the reply and the insight. That’s very sad to be honest. Here, anyone can walk into any school as if it was your own home, no questions asked. They’re the safest places in the country.
@@jordi880I have seen sheriffs, constables, and multiple cops roam the halls of my school. All doors are locked, and you cannot leave to use the restroom without filling out an electronic form that times you and shows who you are and where you should be. Any admin can access this and search you name to see where you should be at that time. If you are gone to long ur name gets flagged, to many flags and you get in trouble. It’s kinda annoying but I get they trynna be safe. We also got the whole doorbell thing but you have to show a drivers license in a camera to check someone out, and you have to wait outside, no parents can enter the building.
The one cop who thinks the whole school's "hiding him in a closet" somewhere shouldn't be a police officer. He pretty much embodies everything wrong with the system he's a part of.
Are you referring to the cop at the end just throwing random ideas and assuming the Principal was hiding him? “he went back upstairs, so I don’t know”. Hey perhaps he was going back to do the work he was doing when you turned up?
The same one that verbally made the excuse. "He didn't go to that classroom we were just lead to. He went upstairs" despite their body cam footage showing the principal going to that classroom first thing when the officer offered to go with him. He know's he's over stepping bounds. He was fishing. Any excuse to do things the way he wanted... and it failed.
Cop- "Do you have kids? What if he shot at your kids"? So he's already guilty. I believe all children should be taught to NOT speak to the police without their parent/ guardian or lawyer. Tell them to say they are pleading the 5th and shut their mouth.
My response to that officer would be something along the lines of "Are you saying you think it's okay to break the law and violate someone's rights if you suspect they did something bad to your family?"
Fuck that cop for saying that. It was a very inappropriate and unprofessional comment imo. And like you said they don’t even know if the kid is guilty!
When the officer asked about the principal's kids, I really wish the principal would have said, "Do you break YOUR department policies depending on your emotional response to the situation?"
The officer who implied that the Principal could be lying about the presence of the subject, due to the cloudy recollection of an employee, should really check his motivations.
@@koltred It's not really that simple, is it? Of course, the US has a problem with school shootings, but it seems unlikely that this is caused by school staff acting according to the law. Had the principle deviated from the rules and law out of fear that these laws would prove inadequate, he'd have effectively betrayed the trust of the students. This trust is very important for the school's function. Moreover, that betrayal could possibly damage the student population's developing opinions on authority in general. It may intuitively seem reasonable to spring into action at every suspected threat, but that kind of thing comes at a price. It isn't an easy choice either. The law is supposed to be a collective guideline, and keep people from having to make ethical decisions in the spur of the moment. The role of the principle as a kind of guardian really demands that he sticks to this guideline and he did his job fine.
He's the same officer who implied he'd be willing to go against protocol and therefore possibly to something illegal for the sake of taking revenge. He's an absolute clown
The cops story went from looking for someone to question to searching for an armed suspect when their first narrative didn't work. Also, what about detaining that lady trying to go to work; how is that legal?
It seems like by that point, they had whipped themselves into a frenzy and decided the kid they wanted to question and who may or may not be in the school was now definitely for sure armed, so I imagine they could find reasons to prevent her or anyone else from entering the school.
@@HumanPerson_final They had no warrant, they had no probable cause, they had no evidence he was there, they had no evidence of a gun, it wasn't a hot pursuit; the whole search was wrong as well has her detainment. They should have stayed outside by all the doors and then went to get a warrant if they could; but they were lacking a lot.
The cop says the student is wanted for "questioning".... that's it, that's all. And yet the cop tries to imply that the student IS the person who shot people. The teacher said that the student may/thought be there. Did not say that he was definately there. So the cop lied. So it went from the student is wanted for questioning to he could be armed. THEY LIED, to get access.
Here's some bs to chew on, cops in the U.S are apparently allowed to lie to suspects and possibly civillians too in order to get the information/confession they need
I don't think it is a lie to assume that a suspect in a shooting can be armed. So that statement is not the biggest concern. The cops blatantly lied over other things, including that the principal did not look in the downstairs classroom for the student implying the principal was knowingly hiding the student.
@@SE-gs6gd considering the number of cops involved and the way they went after him it is fair to say he was actually a suspect. So whether they called him a suspect, a person of interest, or someone they wanted to talk to, they suspect he was involved and from that perspective it was reasonable to assume he might be armed. So stating that the person they were looking for might be armed wasn't a lie. I don't justify the cops behavior, I certainly don't justify the actual lies they did tell. I'm just not convinced that that particular statement was a lie. I would consider it a lie if they knew he was unarmed or had no objective reason to think he was armed.
@@ralfvandeven3155 except for the fact that there was only a few officers at first, then they called more officers because they said the principal "might be harboring the student"
"Do you have kids?" "How would you feel if someone shot at your kids?" In other words you want me to act in the overly emotional way a victimized parent would and not take into consideration law and logic?
Kinda shows how they approach law enforcement. Also it should be noted that the police should not be allowed to say anything like that at all. If they can’t be professional they shouldn’t be allowed to enforce law.
considering 90% of laws are literally created to control you not to keep you safe in what way are you a victim? you cant kill them but they can gladly kill you.
The cops deserve an F. - The line about “if he shot at your kids” - The lie about the principal “going straight upstairs” - Cop evidently called the school staff “liberals” in a derogatory manner. If you can’t control yourself in a professional manner without having to lie or passive aggressively escalate a situation, then don’t do the damn job.
They were after a kid with a gun tho.. they have to make sure they find and arrest the kid before he uses the gun (which is even said in the video), because if they don't find him and someone was hiding him, and a school shooting takes place after they leave, then it's all the cop's fault for not arresting the kid sooner.. wether a teacher's hiding him or not.
I think they all start off good but then over time they develope a lazier behavior and forget about the law and more about getting more charges on people and their pay checks
@@masoncline8190 If the "professional' has to lie, then thats an F. Saying that the principal went "straight upstairs" is trying to attempt to insituate that the prinicipal is hiding the kid. Which would escalate the situation. Also the passive aggressiveness and the insulting of the staff warrants an F. Do your job. Dont get personal. Dont put emotions and feelings into it, because when you do, you open yourself up to being ignorant AND wrong.
questioning for them is code for "we want this kid to admit to a crime they didn't commit under duress without any parental figure/lawyer to protect their rights"
It should be noted that this was a school for 'at risk' students; students who had negative interactions with authorities in the past or had living situations that had negative interactions with authorities in the past. In other words the school is a 'safe place' or to use another view the school is a 'sactuary' where students privacy and trust would be more guarded and a typical public school. In the original video the principal explained this, with the further explanation that students had a tenuous trust in the school at best and unwarrented searches would likely erode what little trust there was, thus leading to student problems including students dropping out. The principal and staff's reluctance was based on this premise.
I agree with you. This school is a safe haven by design, a place for what seemed to be minority students to be educated. The principal deserves an A+. I'll give the cops a B-, which is a good grade for law enforcement. My concern was once they start a sweep, everybody is a threat to them. Thats just part of their training. I feared a lock down and guns drawn going from class to class. Fortunately lead officer worked with principal. Otherwise a much different outcome might have occurred. Notice how bloated policing in schools is for that municipality. The numbers on that document rival that of a city of 30,000. Do yhey really need that for schooling?
The fact that theyll just sit there in the lobby and hinder a whole day for the school is ridiculous. Do you think the principal would lie about the kid not being there putting every other student in danger?
Did I miss something because as this convo was happening the principal was walking down the hall. According to the officer he booked it upstairs. Officers who lie should be fired.
The “do you have kids” and “what if he shot at your kids?” comments are completely unnecessary. They deserve a lower grade for trying to use emotional manipulation
it's a fair comment/question. Anyone with kids would understand the need for the police in this situation and not instinctively side with the rebellious attitude displayed by most lame brains in this comment section.
@@ebayguy38 no you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that they use a personal situation to get you to “understand” where they come from. the personal situation does nothing but let them change your view on the situation to give them more authority. using someone’s emotions as a way to gain answers is morally wrong.
He seems like a principal I would have respected and looked up to when I was in school. I only had 1 teacher growing up that actually made a difference in my life personally. She was the reason I was honor student going into high school.
Yup, Me too! I got all the way to 3rd grade not knowing how to read. Every time it was my turn to read, I just happen to need the bathroom. She caught on told me alone very politely she knew. She devoted every afternoon after school us alone and it took a very long time. After, she retired she & her husband traveled and I would receive beautiful postcards from all over🙏🏼RIP Angel
Harboring a homicide suspect… yeah real hero 🥴🤡. I would knock the principal out knowing they were harboring a homicide suspect and my kid was in the same school. I’ll gladly take the ride to the grey bar motel…..
@@NguageTrains and you would commit a battery and hopefully sent to prison like the other violent criminals you deserve to be with. You are forgetting the "suspect" part innocent until proven guilty
Bs he does lol the dbag pulled me and arrested me for my TBI medication that even said what it was with my name and prescription after going thru my backpack in my rental car and saying my tbi meds were putting me under the influence lol. Went to the police station took all drug tests they wanted came back zero then said i was driving drunk they did bac test as well all coming back clean lol that pos cop deserves to be fired 😂
They get an f imo, they detained the teacher who left the school and held her in the vehicle, had a perimeter set up and basically held the school hostage. They questioned the credibility of the school officials based on perceived political leanings. Questioned and searched a student who wasn't the student in question. I think they massively overstepped.
The officer's outside that "detained" the teacher should get a C not an F. It's made clear from the footage the officer dealing with the teacher outside was left in the dark and acted on caution for her safety. He handled that interaction as he should have on the little information he had, but could have phrased things differently to help maintain a calm and civil atmosphere. The officers inside as a group get a C as some members handled themselves professionally but failed to keep other members acting in a proffesional manner, while individually most of our star officers inside the school would get a D at best for poor performance but pure intentions if I'm being generous about their motives, but otherwise an F as it was clear a few were very willing to break the law if they had the chance.
Having gone to a high school where staff called the police on students over a fist fight that ended in several teens being arrested, I’m glad there’re principals out there willing to stand up for their students.
We have always had a school district police department. All Jr highs and hs had at least 1 officer. My hs had like 5 officers but our campus was spread out over 50 acres and 11 buildings. The city police would contact them and they would handle it. Kids saw them every day and it was way less tense than if the city police rolled in. After the big school shooting pretty close to here a few years ago they started putting up more fences, having more officers, and all schools including elementary schools have at least 1 officer now. Justified given how fucked what happened was
Well thats the disctiction Audot makes here. If the crime happened on school property the school could ask police to detain or search the students. In this case the crime happened outside of school and the school is under no obligation to force the student to speak to police or produce the student. The police can notify the Students needs to come in for questioning but they cant turn over the school looking for him.
Same, the cops intimidated me and harassed me when I was a Senior. They literally stood behind the door as I walked in to the dean’s office and popped out of nowhere saying I could serve 3-5 days in jail. They said they had physical proof and I asked to see it and they refused.
theres full uncut footage of this from start to finish. the principle and staff should be fired. they knowingly defended someone who was involved in a shooting. not to mention they tried to hide him 🤣 this channel is biased asf.
That cop trying to emotionally manipulate the principal into violating procedure is quite worrying. It's as if he thinks it's completely acceptable to ignore the rules if you're upset or afraid. That attitude gets civilians killed by cops.
@@pauljerome01 fuck these Tyrannical knuckle-dragging thugs. All they do is throw their weight around and try to intimidate the public they are Sworn to serve.
@@lilwashcloth1732 “hE wAs dANgERouS” u don’t know the situation or circumstances, how *TF* can you claim someone is dangerous !? I know a couple people with murder charges who were only doing so for protection of themselves or others from DANGEROUS people. You need to go outside and learn about the world a little bit bud
@@gkrees9509 He attempted to kill somebody and was potentially at a school. You don't know the situation or circumstances in the school and whether or not he was going to hurt somebody else. If your buddies with murder charges were defending themselves then it's not murder, your buddies legitimately killed somebody in cold blood.
Love the principal's instant reaction about how he's not going to talk about his own kids. Honestly, so often do police take it way too far. This situation wasn't personal to begin with, why did he have to start talking about his kids?
@@MonkayMan420 they were looking for a child who was ALLEGED to have fired bullets the night before. Until it has been proven in a court of law he is innocent and retains all his rights.
I could see both sides of the issue.... but as soon as the officer made threatening remarks against the principles children .... way, way over the top.
I didn't construe that as an attempt to threaten, I'm betting he was going to try to appeal to the principal's emotions to gain access. Glad the principal shut that down though.
@@aaroncouture4982 Officer did not make "threatening remarks". I stand by what I side,. It's a smear. The freedom to express one's self works both ways. Unprofessional? Maybe. Threatening.? Absolutely not.
This happened to me while in highschool. My father was soo pissed when I told him and threatened legal action and the police chief and principle ended up apologizing. I got pulled out of class by the school officer for something that happened over the weekend at a party that he thought I was at, I didnt realize until I got older just how inappropriate that is.
@@6z0 He checked and found that the student was not there. What is wrong with you ? The police can't intimidate ALL the students to apprehend one for interrogation. See then how the police try to get around the law on students under 18 years old.
The Police are a fucking joke. I can guarantee you if there were no cameras involved here, the cops would've just pushed past the staff and done whatever they wanted
"So if he shot at your kids you'd have the same policy?" I mean you're an officer, of all people, you're the ones that are supposed to set the example of following the laws and not running off emotions.
@@sergeantmasson3669 ah yes of course I believe you have a law degree. Listen mate my degree in defensive magic and potions from Ilvermorny trumps your law degree. Also if you had a law degree you'd know that after an inspection into both places and how they handled things after the fact it was found that no one here was in the wrong except for one officer who got reprimanded for calling a teacher a libtard. The school was right to block access to the student without a warrant as the kid had not committed any crime in front of said officers and the police were right to check students id's and do absolutely nothing else. But no go off about how because your watch attorney tom or legal Eagle that it gives you a law degree. Especially considering you dont seem to understand how the 4th amendment works.
“If he were to shoot at your kids would you have the same policies.” So...the cops are already in the mindset of believing that the student committed the crime without evidence ? If the student did commit the crime he was accused of then I hope he was arrested. However, this video should shows that we need to protect ourselves legal.
He was on video shooting his ex-gf, so what do you mean no evidence? And he turned himself in and admitted it, got charged with first degree attempted murder.
@@ionstorm66 When did they say they don't want to arrest him in the video? He was the primary suspect in a shooting, they wanted to both arrest AND question him. He was on cctv in public shooting his ex out of anger and then went on the run and didnt show up at home etc, concrete evidence but still legally a suspect until proven in court. They got intel he was at school and they rushed to find him. The original evidence of a 3rd party saying he was at school wasn't enough reason to go wondering about the school and disturbing everyone without the police seeing him that's why they went at break time when he was out of class, but the teacher gave them reasonable suspicion by saying he was 100% there that day which is much stronger evidence , thats why they were able to search after the principle said no, because they did get a warrant.
I had the opposite kind of teachers and administrators most of my school life. It touches my heart that this guy is actually trying to protect the students
same here. My school was full of want to be rental cops, metal detectors, and random K9 searches of our lockers. we were treated like criminals from day one
@@dippinoutfool it's called innocent until proven guilty and police cannot legally interrogate a minor without their parent or guardians permission so unless the student in question was 18+ the principal was actually upholding the law better than the officers trying to do anything for a "bust". How's leather taste?
I love how bad cops go straight to an emotive “do you have kids?” Option. Poor skills officer. LOL. Watching further. “We think they’re trying to hide him”. What an intelligent, logical conclusion 🙄
Remember, it's usually the very people screeching 'Think of the Childrenz' who often prove guilty of neglect or even outright abuse of actual children.
@@navigator9905 So what if I don't have kids? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything, but seriously, why do you care whether I (or anyone else for that matter) have kids or not?
This is a prime example of how hard cops work at being hated and distrusted. They go out of their way to ensure there will always be a divide between themselves and decent human beings.
@@stevenmcdabbin7652 you literally just watched video evidence of the cops lying bullying and manipulating people to try to get what they want and you believe their fucking 'gunshots' story?
"So if he shot at your kids" First off he is wanted for questioning, maybe a suspect at this point he is at least a person of interest. If they had evidence they could get a warrant for his arrest. The principle couldn't be held on aiding and abetting a felon as the kid hasn't been charged or convicted of anything. Think your analysis is flawed.
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Could you do a story on Brittany William Arrested in her driveway for allegedly throwing a spoon at an officer parked on her property without her permission.
Is there anyway of sorting your videos by state? Since a lot of the laws are specific to the state these incidents happen?
I swear, I am fairly certain that this video has been done before. I think it was done a few years back as I remember the story completely along with you giving the officers a (C) I think due to the detainment of the teacher
I m from INDIA. I have gone through ur so many videos and much impressed. But I have to ask u one question that is, " Under the name of police safety police very harshly , rudely,in a very exuarated manner does the initial investigation and result in pulling gun and handkuff which is not necessary always. Question is that this behaviour n treatment of police are creating anti trust about police and making people more immune about crime, cz unnecessary police use force and that make very bad picture about law n judicial, R U AGREE WITH THIS ?" And in so many events police even don't care what kind of force they have to use in which circumstances. When i see police are Pulling gun on a man in home with his small child almost under 3 4 yrs, feel very sorry for the picture creating in these small children. AND SOCIETY IS THE REFLECTION OF IMAGES IN MIND IN EACH INDIVIDUAL. I have request to all Americans try to overlook this unseen but manufacturing unit of criminals...
I m ranked class one officer, n I have discussed this because I also love Americans and their VISIONS. And I want America also remain a great nation
In India, not very good but law n judiciary is doing better n day bye day improving ...
That's so weird that a police department investigated themselves and found no wrong doing
I've never heard of such a thing before
in this instance, minus the cops attempts to get the principal to violate school policy and the overall way the cops just assumed the school was hiding the kid, they didnt actually break any rules... morally yes they get an F, but they didnt commit any punishable offenses
@Myles yes, convenient that no actual laws were broken (that im aware of)
Sounds like Democrats
That's Denver for you.
Brilliant statement LOL
I love how the cop tried to ask an emotionally manipulative question about the principals children and the principal shut that shit down immediately and ended any friendliness right then and there.
His attitude totally changed after that question. He’s a great principal that clearly cares about the safety and reputation of his students. You can see he got upset when they implied one of his students is a murderer.
He sure did.
Right! How did that cop think this was going to go?
Cop: What if it was your child who was shot at?
Principal: Oh my, you’re right! Let me trample on my student’s rights for you now that you put it that way.
🙄
@@ellengrace4609 well the video was about how the police officers had the right. Diminished rights in schools. Because there are other innocent children whose safety trumps homeboys rights when he might be responsible for killing another person. The principal did a great job too. But the police officers are obligated to prioritize the safety of other children if they are in the presence of a young man who may be walking around with a gun.
@@taycie1486 My point was that the stupid comment by the cop was unnecessary and ineffective. In fact, that comment/question immediately shut down the principal.
Thanks so much for the kind words everyone. I am the Principal shown in this video. This situation was very unfortunate, but everyone should remember that the students that are served by this school experience similar interactions with the police in their daily lives.
When he said “do you have kids?” I wouldn’t have been able to stop myself from squinting and scoffing and exclaiming ha!!! You could give lessons on how to handle a manipulator.
Thanks for being a well informed principal. Where I'm from, they would of came in, with the principal leading the way, and beat whoever & snatched them out.
If you really are that guy, thanks for standing up for your students
Great principal, a little too nice to cops but still a firm and authorative way to handle the situation.
Standing on truths is a marvelous act nowadays!
Funny how the cop logic here is, "If it was your child, wouldn't you break the policy?" This corruption is such a part of their personalities that they can't imagine anyone having integrity.
I'm SO glad someone else said this (and so well too)...
I get this silent, irritated anxiety in some cases because I feel so alone with such opinions and it's difficult to succinctly relay certain things.
You always catch these people (the officer) with stupid, though forceful opinions, shoving their false narratives of reality down everyone's throat and, most of the time, we get steamrolled by them because the honest complexion of the situation is too nuanced to quickly elucidate.
Thank you!
The proper real to that question is, If you were pressured to do something that would get you fired and your family homeless, would you still do it?
It’s like when you hear someone say, “If all of your friends jump off a cliff would you jump off a cliff.”
The proper response to that is, “If you are driving in traffic and the cars in front of you stop would you?”
Exactly. Those cops looked so frustrated to be thwarted by such a calm, gentle, resolute man. Their desire to domineer and manipulate was put in sharp contrast.
B+ from this hack
On the other hand the teacher just told him the kid was there so the cops thought the principal was lying to them.
This happened in my high school back in 2003 my principle wouldn’t let the kid go talk the police and the police arrested my principal. I was shocked watching her walk out it was first thing in the morning. She sued and got her money from the city. This was at the beginning of the school year she came back at the end of the school year in June. Much respect to her for that!!!
Just wasted tax dollars. I can't believe it's okay for officers to make arrests even if they're not sure of law.
@@freshpotatoes1107 Cops face no consequences for their actions most of the time. That is why there is an entire movement demanding for accountability from cops. But hey demanding accountability is bad, because it's communism or it's racist or whatever conservative media claims it is.
@@titomala-madre I understand fully. Here's why they're not held accountable. Look up "Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights". It's a BIG problem.
@@freshpotatoes1107 and Police Unions and Collusion with District Attorneys... etc...
@@titomala-madre I know. They are all in bed with each other doing the same crap the're putting people in jail for. It's really quite astonishing that this stuff actually goes on. It just shows you that not even the most sophisticated minds ever grow up. It's basically a high school attitude in an adult system.
This principle knows his shit, he's not a parent or guardian so he has no authority to grant access to a minor, he's acting very smart and responsible.
Yet it means nothing because he was overruled by a corrupt smoke and mirrors illusory hierarchical system of authority.
@@nomasknoway9903 it sure meant something. At least he did the right thing and can sleep at night .
He's perfect for the job he's doing.
He said he is a parent but was not going to talk about his kids. I think that could partly be what made him say no right away though without even checking first.
I think it's better that he has kids because he's acting with the thoughts of "if this was my kid"
So he probably thought "if a cop went in demanding to question my child at their school, about being involved in a very serious crime, I would hope my child's principal will stand up for their rights too since I'm not there to do so"
I'm not a mom so that's a guess lol but I agree that he was awesome.
Also as a principal I sort of feel like there's some sort of responsibility/authority over the minors he is responsible for that are enrolled in that school 🤔🤷♀️😂 (literally not sure how much that even applies 🤣🤦♀️)
principle is rules........ principal is ur head school guy cuz hes ur princiPAL.................... peace............
Most teachers I've met think students have no rights while at school. So this is really refreshing
*That principal should be the Superintendent of Schools.*
I think this warrants a bit more explanation cuz I certainly wasn't expecting to get this many likes. When I said teachers don't think students have rights, I wasn't being hyperbolic or just hating on strict teachers, I mean their textbooks for education majors effectively teach them that while at school they're wards of the state and rights are at the teachers discretion.
I was a rebellious youth and was even told by my high school principal we don’t have rights until we turn 18.
@@RichieAppel yeah that's not how rights work, so screw that guy. You either have rights or you don't. And if they can be arbitrarily taken away, then they're privelages at best
@@whoathatsalotofdamage3718 I was told by my own mom that I don’t have rights until I’m 18
It seems like Principal Ketzer is no longer the principal at Rise Up. But wherever he is in his career path, I genuinely hope it will always be on the road of educating today’s youth. Mr. Ketzer- you are a rare and shining star in our country’s public education system. Your dedication to your students first and foremost is admirable and commendable. You set a VERY powerful example to your staff and to other administrators. As a mother of 2 teenagers I would be honored if they had the opportunity to thrive under your guidance and care.
I certainly wouldn't want a principal to use his ideology to put all of the children there in danger because his emotions and anti-police sentiment is more important than allowing police to find a murder suspect who could be armed and dangerous within the school.
@@markobighead3173 An educator such an he, did not just stumble into becoming the principal. His track record and level head, his dedication to students safety and well-being is how and why he rose to that level. Do you really think the school wasn’t aware of the situation? Do you really think they just thought, “meh if he’s in here and armed, fuck it”. No. They obviously knew what was going on, made sure the kid wasn’t a threat to himself or anyone (making sure the safety of others was confirmed), and THEN protected his civil rights.
@@markobighead3173 it was literally the school policy
@@markobighead3173 it’s not ideology tho at all it’s his civil rights and the school happened to have a policy to protect them
@@markobighead3173 So he followed his policy’s that the school had set and that means he is spreading his ideology? Lmao what a joke go to the station and dick ride there.
"Yeah, so I'm not gonna talk about my kids." He shut that line of questioning down hard!
At that point, my response would have been to have them "leave the property and that we'll conduct our own search." Followed by, "if we find him, we'll advise him of his rights and, if he wants to talk to you, we'll send him outside and across the street to where you guys will be standing. Goodbye."
Not just that but the reason for that response is that the cop mentioned his actual kids he asked if he had kids
I just liked to put the thumbs up at 420
Dad mode enabled.
He got pissed that they made it personal
"Do you have children?"
That has no bearing on this interaction officer...you are attempting to play on my emotions to circumvent the school policies and the law.
It's a tactic they use to make you use your emotions over your mind
Unfortunately I couldn’t watch the full video, was this a quote said in the video by the principal or your own words. Well said either way. Time stamp me if you can
@@plutoboy1564
@4:45 "Do you have kids?"
is a direct quote from the secondary officer to the principal.
Gross and scary yeah?
He was wanted for attempted homicide, he shot at someone’s kid and they were hiding him, and the cop asked how he’d react if someone shot at his kid and if he’d hide them from the police
What a jerk statement, "So if he shot at your kids, you'd have the same policy?" I would hope so. A standard isn't a standard unless it's, well, standard.
Wrong, that was a perfectly reasonable response.
@@hotrodsather Perfectly natural response.
Using "reasonable" is quite a stretch imo.
I understand why he'd appeal to emotion in an attempt to manipulate the situation, but it doesn't make it any less disgusting.
@@SirTorcharite your really overreacting calling it disgusting
@@六十-t1iMaybe I have a low disgust factor and high expectations and general respect for people in positions of authority.
Are there more disgusting people? Yes
Does that make this any less disgusting? No
I'd like to believe that the cream rises to the top eventually, but it's apparent at all levels of policing, the saying, "sh*t floats" is more appropriate as of late.
@@SirTorcharite Allahu akbar
A principal who literally puts his students first. There should be more like him.
Except there was a chance that student could have been armed
No, puts one student first, possibly endangering all the others. Seems creepy to me.
@@josephlee2469 There's a chance you could be and could be attacking a school. Doesn't make it reality.
A gem for sure!
@@pr9039look at mass shootings and ask yourself how many of them happen in gun free zones? In fact there was one shooting at a school where it was confirmed the shooter was going to go to a different school at first but that other school had armed security. We need to get rid of gun free zones and we'll see mass shootings disappear real quick
are we going to ignore the part where the cop lied and said the principal went straight upstairs, when we saw on the bodycam that he immediately went down the hall to the classroom the kid was supposed to be in?
Exactly! I had to go back and watch because I thought the same thing... he went straight to the classroom and then the video cut to him at the bottom of the stairs
Cops lie all the time to get more charges or caught people in a lie.it’s called entrapment.
Even if the principal HAD gone upstairs... so what? Perhaps that is where his office is, and he went to check the student's schedule and the attendance report. If the teacher reported the student absent (especially if he had been reported absent in multiple classes) that would be sufficient cause for the principal to believe that the student was not in the building, or at the very least not in his assigned class.
@@mildaudiophile3879 that's not what entrapment is.
@@mildaudiophile3879 Yup, not what entrapment is.
"I can go with you if you want" - cop
"no, that's ok." - principal wizard 5000
Lmao right, what a Chadosorous Rex of a principal.
Bro this was the most assertive Moby looking guy I've ever seen. Huge respect to him.
Thats a standard gay male response when they have something to hide.
@@chrisknoblock
Thank you! I was trying to think of who he looked like.
bro deadass my man was a boss he didn’t give two shits bout them oppas
You can see the gears in these cop's heads grind to a halt when they are faced with a situation where they don't get to assert 100% control over others.
Also that they're like "This dorky principal is the type of dude I'd pants when I was in high school. Damn bodycams..."
They are just trying to get to the bottom of a homicide
I can smell the fascist schooling from a mile away, and yes I am talking about the rise up brainwashing institute.
cops should investigate all shootings
Great principle 👍🤔
That principle genuinely seems like he wants the best for his kids no matter who they are or what their background is, he just wants to try and make sure that they can keep their life straight.
or just their life.
yeah his not a good german, hes a good guy
It's extremely professional of them to sit there, smugly joking and laughing about it all, while quietly conspiring against the teachers.. What a bunch of scumbags.
Brain damaged order following dogs without morals - they love chasing cars like dogs
and they gather in packs ready to attack - and tin around each other smelling each others butt.
Though sometimes these idiots can be useful.
I was so shocked to on the Denver posts video of this so many people in the comment section believing that the principal tipped the kid off.
That’s why most cops get shot or killed in gun battles unless they got back up. Most cops are just bullied kids who can’t fight either.
That’s why most cops get shot or killed in gun battles unless they got back up. Most cops are just bullied kids who can’t fight either.
@@kalibkukus8888 I hope he did, fuck these control freaks
This whole thing smells funny. They said they were looking for him to question him about a shooting. They obviously didn't think he was armed and dangerous at first. He wasn't armed and dangerous until they ran out of other options. If he would have been considered armed and dangerous then it would have been much different. They wouldn't have walked up and engaged in polite conversation with the staff while students roamed around. It's bs. Cops finding a way to get what they want regardless of the law.
I think the school head safety liaison decided that someone who had been possibly armed the night before and in a shooting warranted a search by police bc if they HAD been armed and a school shooting would have happened everyone would have been b.itching about how no one cares about our students blah blah. Everyone gets so up in arms about school shootings and schools have changed so many policies bc of that. We didn’t hear LEO say he could be armed but maybe it’s school policy re school shooting safety.
Defended attempted murderer student in a country where school shootings are out of control. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.
@@koltred alleged. The law is innocent until proven guilty. They did not have a warrant and indicated it was for questioning, not an arrest.
@Sam Yaza Taurus fiend's response to koltred also applies to your comment. Also they are the discovery/investigatory phase so this is all within normal procedure.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 I agree that it is normal procedure. That they started with the truth "wanted to talk to him" and the police changed their story until "he was possibly armed" so they could get in the door.
I was not aware that Police Officers could interrogate a minor without the consent of a parent or guardian.
In the end it comes down to assertion of rights. Any conversation with a Law Enforcement officer(Local/county/state/federal) especially if questions of any kind are being asked counts as an interrogation. In short an officer asking a distressed child if their parent is around counts as an interrogation but very few would raise a fuss over it as it is to ensure the safety and well being of a child. Undercover/Plain Cloths messures are also considered if an officer is off-duty and asking about a situation they found themselves at. Reasonable exceptions and expectations are rarely thought about, and only policies like the school system mentioned in this video actively prevents LEOs from performing an interrogation on a minor without a parent or legal guardian as standard practice. By Law the only difference between a parent/guardian being present for the interrogation of a minor, and a Lawyer present at the interrogation of an adult is the nature of the relationship between suspect and their representative.
One thing my daughter will know is to never talk to police without me or our lawyer present. No matter how good you are at polishing boots with your mouth, whatever you say can and will incriminate you
@@truekurayami But here is was an official criminal investigation. They approached at the school so they had some time with no parent present first.
So if a parent is complicit in their child's crimes all they have to do is deny the police to talk to them? That's not how it works. A child has the option to not have their parents there.
@@jonanderson4825 how so? Law disagrees. A minor does not have the ability to consent legally.
I realise I'm watching this episode a yr down the track, but, I found it absolutely terrifying to think that the police thought it in ANY WAY appropriate to corner a 'possibly armed murder suspect' in a school classroom, thereby endangering the lives of other students whilst effecting such an arrest in such a location!
Had my child been one of the other students, I would have been gut-wrenched ...
Exactly my thoughts! And probably why they have that policy in place, which I think is actually very smart. Make school the safe place to reduce the chance of violence there! Glad to see I am not the only one to see that, pity it’s not the police to see that wisdom.
Exactly 💯 percent
@Bill K It’s the police’s job to de-escalate the situation, not increase tension and fear by prowling the school with their own guns. It’s not that they should have done nothing, it’s their inappropriate way of handling it
@Bill K Yeah, I can see both sides. I mean, would you want to allow a possibly armed murder suspect to continue being around your kids? There is no good solution, really.
The worst part about it is he was only wanted for questioning which is another way of saying they ain't got shit on him They don't have enough to actually arrest him or really even detain him. AKA no actual evidence pointing to him being involved in whatever it is they're investigating. So they're going to go into a school and disrupt all of the students learning to question someone they don't even have enough on to arrest in the first place.
The cops can lie but you can't. Went from wanting to question the student to him being armed and dangerous. As a parent, I truly appreciate the Principal's following not only the school policy, but also protecting the student's rights and the dedication to the students in his school. All school's could only be so lucky to have a Principal like him.
I can sort of get that. Lying in pursuit of justice IS better than lying to prevent justice. the problem though is that often-times the police are not actually on the side of justice.
@@anniedarkhorse6791 using "nob-head" as an insult then tells someone to grow up. the irony is lost on you. if you were a suspect in a crime would you want your rights violated and disregarded? to allow police to bust in and drag you out of a building stomping you and beating you with batons? is this the kind of world you want to live in?
@@alexanderredhorse1297 I get where you’re coming from and you’re right that sort of behavior is unacceptable. But, and this is an important but, the student was a suspect of a violent crime, it is absolutely fair to assume that he would keep a weapon on him so it is well within reason to consider him potentially armed and dangerous, and in a situation where not only officers, but other students and faculty are in a potential danger zone it makes sense why they phrased it as such.
@@Ashalmawia police are never on the side of justice. they harass, brutalize, and dehumanize every person in contact.
If they had any probable cause or evidence, it'd be a warrant. They're probably a shot in the dark rather than an actual suspect. Not upholding his rights would be a lawsuit waiting to happen and a bunch of people getting fired. Plus yet another kid/school that has a negative experience with law enforcement. Don't think the police need any more negative PR right now.
Whoever tried that "If it was your kid would you care about the rules?" crap deserves an F on that alone.
This what cop's have been taught,in order to get someone to give up their rights willingly.
Defended attempted murderer student in a country where school shootings are out of control. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.
It was a pretty insidious appeal to emotion.
“I can go with you if you want “
“Noooope that’s ok :)”
Fucking love this guy
Yah he really got him there the cop asked a question and the guy said no
It was so awesome
you're probably just as weasely as him lmao
@@munchez4410 the cop wanted to weasel his way into the school to look around the principal probably though „you think I’m that stupid?“
Hes just a man. With principles, morals, and a spine.
@@sheildingepicness weasely? So a guy that violates a fucking minors rights just because its a cop asking to violate someones rights? And the guy who says thats bullshit is the "weasel"? No sounds like you are a weasel.
If a SCHOOL is protecting someone.. odds are they're either not your suspect, or the answers will come out in due time, it's not like this PRINCIPLE was a mafia crime lord refusing to let them talk to a dinner guest. He literally told them, hey we're not letting you have anyone during school hours and we're not breaching the trust of any of our students just to hand you someone before the end of the day.
The teachers and the school staff are bound by the "in loco parentis" doctrine which makes them the parent during school time.
oh look honey... Another internet expert! Casually throwing around terms they learned not even five mins ago on Wiki, like they have a PhD in the subject.
^ comment above
@@AnHebrewChild God I hope you're a bot and not actually as ignorant as that makes you out to be. If having a PHD made any difference in the world, which it doesn't, that's would just be more reason to respect the teachers in this context as I'd bet money they're the closest ones to having their own. Id thank you to think things through before you try insulting someone, but I suppose I can't ask much of only two brain cells.
“So if he shot at your kids would it still be school policy?”
That line itself already shows where the officers head at the kid is already considered guilty.
Shout out to the principal for protecting his students and following policy because the whole innocent til proven guilty does not exist in this country whatsoever you are guilty until you can prove your innocence
My thoughts exactly. They deserve a D- for that alone.
That question was something that really stood out to me too. It's an obvious (and poorly executed) manipulation tactic. The officer's intention in asking that question is to circumvent the law, which is a blatant and egregious violation of his oath, considering that his job is to enforce the law.
It doesn't show that the officer considers him guilty, it shows the officer is worried about the safety of the children at the school and making sure a potential murderer isn't amoung them... wish the principle cared about protecting the students too 🤷
@@stevenmcdabbin7652 Look most liberals, he was only concerned with protecting the wolf amongst the sheep.
not already guilty its just a possibility based on what hes accused of
I give an F-. the "Youd be fine with them shooting your kids?" line is entirely trying to bully his way into getting what he wants and something that should never be acceptable.
Plus if they legitimately thought the kid would be armed then there is absolutely no way the principal would have stopped them
Ik that bit pissed me off. Act professional, that cop was manipulating. It's disgusting.
Ikr. It's the same poor logic attempt at manipulating people into submitting that I face every single day here on TH-cam. Yes, these police officers just used the same methods in conversation as TH-cam commenters.
@Trizzle Hizzle how that boot leather taste, bud? If the police even suspected that a shot had been fired they wouldnt have to even speak to the principal.
Yeah but if there were a school shooting people would say, why didn’t the cops do more.
Funny how the police went from "we just need to question him" to "he's armed and dangerous" when they didn't immediately get their way. They basically lied to escalate the situation to a point where they were given free reign to run all over the school and it's teachers. Called the Principal a liar and possibly a criminal for standing up to them. There was no evidence that the kid was even involved in the crime, or they would have came with an arrest warrant to take him. They invasively interrupted a school, treated the teachers like criminals, all on a hunch the "suspect", not actual "perpetrator" of a crime might be there. This was an abuse of police power , no ifs ands or buts. They gave no shits for the fact that the school is for emotionally troubled students.
You hit it on the mark. Your assessment was far better than audit the audit as he tends to give extra points to cops for being “nice” about it. They get a D and that’s being generous.
@@RobertTarmac so you're part of the problem
@@RobertTarmac you didn't prove shit you just made a comment and quite condescending might I add
You probably are a cop
@@RobertTarmac Had there been an active warrant for the student there would have been no further need to contact head of school security and waste their own time, let alone the schools. Furthermore, had they felt that need to not show the warrant to anyone at the school but had one, they would not have needed to go through a 30 minute "discussion" and wait while disrupting outside people also.
Finally, and MOST important to your comment....the most "low-key" and "calm" way to apprehend a suspect at a school is WITH help from school officials by calmly speaking to them and showing the warrant by requesting them to go bring the student to a secure location away from possible vulnerabilities. What they did in this instance was disrupt an ENTIRE school as opposed to the proper method.
BTW. Your first sentence was the greatest act of projection I've ever seen in the comment section.
Tell that to these extreme rightist, trump supporters and blue lives matter sympathizers, they could use a lesson in basic human decency👏👏👏
I know it's an entirely different situation, but my 9 year old daughter was taken out of class by the cops and interviewed without my consent or knowledge. The schoo called to tell me about it.
Turns out I had told my sister in law that our daughters cousin pushed her privacy boundaries when on sleep overs, so she came to me pleading no matter when she asks, I am to decline having her as an overnight guest in the future. My sis in law was having issues with her daughter, so I confided in her. Somehow the police were informed. These were all kids 9 and under. We as a result were blamed for the family chaos that followed. .....our daughter forced into counseling, her cousin branded an offender, really could have been handled by loving and emotionally intelligent parents, as I thought we all were.....but were not. Lives disrupted. Cops trampled our rights.
Damn
What a nightmare! My heart goes out to you, and I hope there’s a huge compensation coming your way
Cops hate it when they get the"its just policy" switched onto them😂😂
EDIT: holy hell I'll never had this many likes 5.7k????
Right lol
That was awesome, what a man of true integrity.
@Jack Ophelott obvs you don’t know how much money Rodney king got paid 😂
@Jack Ophelott obvs I do because if they didn’t follow the cops “policy” like you said he needed up being paid huge over that “policy” so don’t be I literate lil boy
@Jack Ophelott I’ll beat the soul outta you bro if you wanna fight come to my gym samqando boxing club in Holland Michigan 😂🤚
Yeah that's right, Principal dude, shut down that attempt at emotional manipulation.
What? Lmao no he was harboring a murderer lmao that’s not right at all.
@@carryeveryday910 No, hes harboring a student of his who is being accused in a system that requires the presumption of innocence, a presumption that others seem all to quick to dispel with assuming that you seem to believe that as soon as the state has determined they want to talk to you all other relationships you have should be null and void and they should report you to the state.
@@carryeveryday910 No evidence supports your assertion from afar...very far!
@@carryeveryday910 The principle was not harboring anyone, as the police searched the entire school and did not find the student...
The student is not in the building...is this not what the principle said to the police???
It is not the principle's fault if the police chose not to believe him.
The principle did exactly what he was supposed to do as the principle of the school...thus he got an A.
As soon as they mentioned his kids I hoped he would kick them off the property.
So your telling me these idiots thought it was smart to trap a suspect of a shooting inside a school filled with other children... Wow shut this department down! Rehire and start over. If my child was in that building I would have my own lawsuit to file!
The principal was being nice, calm and professional. Out of nowhere they try and bring his kids into a obviously confrontational analogy to provoke a hostile response is very irritating. This principle is protecting his students and that’s very nice to see.
"Do you guys have a card so I can give it to him when he shows back up?"
This man is galaxy brain, he's using manipulation tactics against the manipulators. Love it.
Yeah I noticed that. I was like he really wants that shit to file complaints
He's obviously used to playing the game
Given his position. Id say he ususes similar tactics time to time.
talking to cops is like talking to stubborn kids. using soft manipulation helps, what teachers are used to do I think.
That officer keeps repeating that the teacher implied the kid was there, but the teacher actually seemed very unsure of his response.
My experience says that school staff will just say yes, even if they have zero clue. I'm surprised that also applied to interactions with cops lol
He was fishing for probable cause. If he ended up needing to get a warrant? He wanted to be able to tell the judge the kid was IN the school not that the kid is maybe in the school possibly.
When you watch the videos where cops have pulled someone over, questioned them and then relay what they asked and what the person they were questioning said you see pretty quickly how they hear what they want to hear. They "paraphrase" in a way that changes what was said to provide them the most leeway and make the person they questioned the most sketchy. But it's not just cops, people just make up things all the time, some 3rd party will say something like "the guy in blue threw the first punch" ...video shows the guy in red throwing the first punch.
The older looking teacher in the cap behind the desk/register at first (that gets skipped right at the start) said he'd seen the kid in school that day 100%, but was unsure where he was because he should be on break or just finishing break, that's more than implying. It's a small special school with few pupils and he said he knew him and he was present in school that day.
That's purely shitty editing to purposefully remove details by this TH-camr at every opportunity, to make it look worse on the police, watch the full un-cut version without all this added biased and opinion shaping to get a real feel for what happened.
Incredible principal and the students giving the cops a walk of shame on their way out is priceless.
What makes the principal get an A+ from me is that one of the reasons he was so assertive in not letting them in, is because that school is specialized for troubled teens. They make it a point to make them feel safe and actually come to school on a regular basis and put them on the right path. The way he protected his students makes me a little more hopeful for humanity.
Exactly. If cops can come in and search anytime they want then kids who are scared of cops would never come to school
Nothing like Pedrito being wanted for murder, but were late for English ayo
I'd give him an A-, though. He took a great and unecessary risk stating that the student was NOT in the school premises (05:10). Now imagine the cops find the kid inside the school or nearby. Or find proof (camera) he was actually in there during the interaction. The principal would face jail time. He should've kept the initial logic of "I cannot confirm whether he is here or not".
@@pedrox96 no he whould not face prison time thats not how it works.
@@tomhanks7873 under the suspicion of murder and wanted for murder are very different.
If they had evidence he'd done it the police would've provided a warrant there are ways around it. It's people like you that give LOE so much power for no reason.
Go back to school.
That principle just earned the respect of every single student at that school. Kudos to him.
And at the same time the cops lost the respect of the entire community.
Nah protecting scumbag student is a big NO NO
@@enigma5014 lol
@@enigma5014 He was a suspect, but they hadn't even questioned him yet. We should assume the student is innocent until proven guilty and ensure they get their rights and due process.
@@lucass8119 that's the point they need to question him! And that's possible if only the school is cooperating with police.
The officer trying to guilt the principal with the "dO yOu HAVe KIds?" Pissed me off. Keep it professional not personal
He's talking about a situation that could happen you would say it to if you need to
@@ryanow5437 yeah and that’s called trying to guilt someone meaning personal 🤦♂️
The principal should have replied Yes I have three goats to keep the lawn in my garden short
KIDS are goats - everyone should learn that fact - and Children is a purely legal term.
People do not have kids nor children. The poorly educated people do not know that.
They have sons and daughters
@@ryanow5437 That was not what the officer did though. Also, they dk if the child is even guilty (they said he was wanted for questioning and it switched to another intimidation tactic) and bringing the man’s own kids into it and acting like it’s related to the case is bias. The emotional manipulation was especially heinous…
Tell that to the kid he shot.
I can't express how much I appreciate that the principal was standing for the rights of the students in his care.
There are too many stories out there of police interrogating minors without proper representation.
" do you have kids"
Honestly such major props to the principal for not losing his shit and falling for this game
For real. Cops seem to have a deep affinity for manipulating others. Kind of a disturbing personality trait if you ask me.
@@realSethMeyers Useful personality trait for a job where you have to lie so much
@@liamcorder3812 A job where you're *allowed* to lie so much, more like.
You have to be real though, if the suspect did shoot at the principals kids, you damn well know he would have let the cops turn the school upside down searching for the suspect.
@@venturoes1912 I doubt the principals kids are involved in crime with a bunch of Latino kids. People don’t just shoot randomly at innocent people unless your a cop.
Around the 5minute mark he tried to vampire him. “I can come with you if you’d like”
Sounds nice and friendly, a perfect way to legally get access to a property.
"Vampie him", that phrase is fucking awesome lmao
Vampire : Can I not come in ?
Tomska : No !
Vampire : Oh !
Tomska : Ooooh !
@@paulchatel1214 gotcha
If their evidence was strong, they’d have a warrant and all the rest wouldn’t matter. Otherwise...wait until after school is completed
Defended attempted murderer student in a country where school shootings are out of control. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.
Did you watch the video? Do you respect the law? It’s not a defense of murder it’s a defense of due process.
@@hermetix7231 he's copy pasting the same comment over & over. I don't have much faith that his brain allows him to think critically
@@koltred No, not a murderer, an ALLEGED SUSPECT and not just that, one WITHOUT ENOUGH EVIDENCE for a warrant.
"I think this guy is trouble" =/= guy is trouble.
Exactly, if he WAS armed, and present at school, would cops sniffing around create a safe environment for the other kids?
Major props to this principle. MAJOR.
i love how cops can inch forward and push boundaries with soft intimidation and its no big deal. but someone inches forward towards them and your face is in the street with a boot on your back and most likely multiple weapons drawn on you. interesting how that works.
yup
Exactly
the "safety" is surely there
You literally don’t have to talk to them being aggressive doesn’t help
Preach brotha!
Can I just add that I felt the officer asking the question "Do you have kids" to the Principle was way out of line. Not only was he asking rather personal information to someone who is not even a suspect, but he was also trying to use that personal information to sway the Principle's decision to adhere to the school's policies.
I'm not well versed in law but I feel like that's just a scummy thing to do.
Defended attempted murderer student in a country where school shootings are out of control. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.
@@koltred Post your sources bud, i'll wait
@@ImAwes0me4Life Almost every comment I've seen from Koltred is the same. He's probably just trolling and commenting this to make people mad.
Oh it is super scummy! Not illegal, but totally unacceptable!
Copy and pasting this everywhere ?
The officer at 12:06 lies about the principal going "straight upstairs" to look for the student instead of downstairs, which is where the classroom is at, implying that the principal went upstairs to either "warn" or "hide" the student. With that lie the officers got permission to search upstairs and everywhere else in the school. At 5:04 you can clearly see that the principal goes straight towards the classroom and not "straight upstairs" like the officer said.
Shouldn’t that cop be arrested for lying to the district chief? He did give a false report
Excellent observatioin.
@@sprice2719 Arrested? Idk. Several reprimanded or fired? Definitely.
@@Ghost7065 giving a false statement under oath making a false statement during investigation lying to his commanding officer obstruction of justice tampering with evidence I mean this list goes on if it was us all of these charges would have been padded on us and they would have thrown the fucking book at you. If you did more than 30 days you lost your job if you did more than 60 days you lost your home and probably your car as well those little gotcha cards we keep letting slip they damn sure don't let it slip they should have been arrested and charged as police officers they are held to higher standards that's actually the law these boys were clearly in the wrong and should be charged for it
@@jaytaylor2971 Definitely agreed. I think I posted in the wrong thread either way. I did do more research into the situation and damn. That's not all these F-ers apparantly also pulled out their guns on the teachers, even shoved one out of the way. though I'm not sure how accurate that report is as the person responsible for posting it did state that one of the officers pull the kid sitting down out of his chair (kid with the white hat) by grabbing his arm. That didn't happen in the video.
My High School principal won a Super Bowl with the Raiders and had his ring on display everyday. Big guy. I doubt the cops would have even tried this. They thought this principal was going to fold under pressure. Nuh uh.
"An officer who grabbed a teacher's arm during the search was cleared of misconduct." That tells me all I need to know about the reliability of the Denver Police Department's "internal investigation."
@Kyle If cops came into my work and were physically grabbing or pushing an employee around that's something I would want reported. Your rights only exist if you defend them.
Considering she was interfering with the search, there is nothing wrong with it.
@@masoncline8190 getting physical, as an officer is a huge No No. Especially considering she was not being a threat in Any way
@@frederikanby2634 you mean when she was blocking the door like a child and he just gently nudged her aside with like 0 force?
@@tobybeggs8676 still illegal to put hands on a civilians without proper reason.
Those cops are incredibly shifty. Some of the stuff they were staying and doing made them look suspicious as hell.
Yea the way they're whispering/gossiping at 7:31 . Super weird and it gives off this sentiment of "oh yea we got him" almost feels like they're more interested in getting their way against the Principal than finding the kid
At least there was bodycam footage but who knows if anything was cut. The way they made that one kid take off his hat and stand up and compared his face was pretty dehumanizing, also... acab
@Isaac Kennedy I mean the way they essentially detained one teacher so they could use her to get in is kinda messed up
@Isaac Kennedy Plus, the same cops probably had come from speaking with friends and family of the murder victim, and maybe the crime scene too. Imagine being at a crime scene and seeing a bunch of blood, then talking to a crying mother who begs you to get the person that did it. It's unsurprising that they don't have much patience when they feel like someone is harboring the suspect.
@@damonhtoo "when they feel like"
Yeah, there's your problem right there. If they can't control their feelings and act like professionals they do not deserve respect.
I like how the principal was trying to be relatable an understanding to the cops but knew his shit so wasn't gonna get walked over.
Defended attempted murderer student in a country where school shootings are out of control. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.
@@koltred Innocent until proven guilty. When you treat everyone as guilty that’s how a lot of wrongful convictions happen
@Koltred they really aren’t. You should educate yourself. Stop blindly listening to the anti narrative.
Get rid of gun free zones. You don’t see punks shooting up cop shops do you?
@@koltred innocent until proven guilty. This is one of the basic tenets of the Constitution
@@koltred 🐑🐑🐑
Not being from the US, the idea of law enforcement having to come to a school for any reason just blows my mind completely.
About 4% of kids have criminal tendencies this isnt just an American thing
Just about every school from grade 6-12 has a police officer assigned to them. They are called School Recourse Officers.
It’s a sad reality. I’m a volunteer for my child’s school, I’m a room-mom or “parent volunteer” which means I’m available to help the teachers when they need an extra set of hands for crafts or parties or even just to come in and help students during the school day. I have to pass a background check and get fingerprinted each year which I totally agree with for the students’ safety. The saddest part, and really the point of my comment, is that when I go to the building there is only one door I can enter from, I have to ring a bell on camera, state my name and purpose, then be buzzed in through 2 separate locked doors…then I have to sign in and do the normal things like get a visitor sticker. I’m not allowed to leave a door open when bringing in gardening supplies or boxes of craft materials bc someone could easily get in if I propped a door open. Teachers can’t leave doors open during recess either. Here in the US, schools have to be locked down like this these days because of shootings and creeps.
To be clear, I’m not mad at the school for having these precautions in place, I’m upset that kids have to go to school with so much fear for their well-being now.
@@brielliott04 thanks for the reply and the insight.
That’s very sad to be honest. Here, anyone can walk into any school as if it was your own home, no questions asked. They’re the safest places in the country.
@@jordi880I have seen sheriffs, constables, and multiple cops roam the halls of my school. All doors are locked, and you cannot leave to use the restroom without filling out an electronic form that times you and shows who you are and where you should be. Any admin can access this and search you name to see where you should be at that time. If you are gone to long ur name gets flagged, to many flags and you get in trouble. It’s kinda annoying but I get they trynna be safe. We also got the whole doorbell thing but you have to show a drivers license in a camera to check someone out, and you have to wait outside, no parents can enter the building.
The one cop who thinks the whole school's "hiding him in a closet" somewhere shouldn't be a police officer. He pretty much embodies everything wrong with the system he's a part of.
Are you referring to the cop at the end just throwing random ideas and assuming the Principal was hiding him? “he went back upstairs, so I don’t know”. Hey perhaps he was going back to do the work he was doing when you turned up?
@@jdslater1 Imagine that lol. A principal with a job to do.
It's actually illegal to put a student in a room where they cannot leave, as in a closet or even behind a locked door for any reason.
The same one that verbally made the excuse. "He didn't go to that classroom we were just lead to. He went upstairs" despite their body cam footage showing the principal going to that classroom first thing when the officer offered to go with him.
He know's he's over stepping bounds. He was fishing. Any excuse to do things the way he wanted... and it failed.
But he needs his fix of bad guy catching.... it's all a game to the police after a while. They get addicted to the thrill of power
Cop- "Do you have kids? What if he shot at your kids"? So he's already guilty. I believe all children should be taught to NOT speak to the police without their parent/ guardian or lawyer. Tell them to say they are pleading the 5th and shut their mouth.
Yeah, children should learn the laws and their rights.
My response to that officer would be something along the lines of "Are you saying you think it's okay to break the law and violate someone's rights if you suspect they did something bad to your family?"
Right?! So they want to corner a potentially armed suspect in a school. Great plan.
Nobody should talk to cops period. You have nothing to gain and literally your freedom to lose.
Fuck that cop for saying that. It was a very inappropriate and unprofessional comment imo. And like you said they don’t even know if the kid is guilty!
When the officer asked about the principal's kids, I really wish the principal would have said, "Do you break YOUR department policies depending on your emotional response to the situation?"
This guy is my hero, he puts his students above himself, truly and honorable man, we should all strive to be this bold in the face of adversary
The officer who implied that the Principal could be lying about the presence of the subject, due to the cloudy recollection of an employee, should really check his motivations.
Defended attempted murderer student in a country where school shootings are out of control. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.
@@koltred It's not really that simple, is it? Of course, the US has a problem with school shootings, but it seems unlikely that this is caused by school staff acting according to the law.
Had the principle deviated from the rules and law out of fear that these laws would prove inadequate, he'd have effectively betrayed the trust of the students. This trust is very important for the school's function. Moreover, that betrayal could possibly damage the student population's developing opinions on authority in general. It may intuitively seem reasonable to spring into action at every suspected threat, but that kind of thing comes at a price.
It isn't an easy choice either. The law is supposed to be a collective guideline, and keep people from having to make ethical decisions in the spur of the moment. The role of the principle as a kind of guardian really demands that he sticks to this guideline and he did his job fine.
He's the same officer who implied he'd be willing to go against protocol and therefore possibly to something illegal for the sake of taking revenge. He's an absolute clown
@@koltred Innocent until proven guilty. Children should be protected, especially from the government.
@@mkvk74 That guy is posting the exact same comment in other threads. He's a troll, and a bad one at that. No need to feed
The cops story went from looking for someone to question to searching for an armed suspect when their first narrative didn't work. Also, what about detaining that lady trying to go to work; how is that legal?
i don’t think they detained her they just asked her to stay in case they needed back access
@@hobosatemychicken6203 she was in the back of the police car, were you can't leave without the officers opening the door. she was detained.
It seems like by that point, they had whipped themselves into a frenzy and decided the kid they wanted to question and who may or may not be in the school was now definitely for sure armed, so I imagine they could find reasons to prevent her or anyone else from entering the school.
@HobosAteMyChicken An armed official tells you to stay ... you are detained; no matter what he meant.
@@HumanPerson_final They had no warrant, they had no probable cause, they had no evidence he was there, they had no evidence of a gun, it wasn't a hot pursuit; the whole search was wrong as well has her detainment. They should have stayed outside by all the doors and then went to get a warrant if they could; but they were lacking a lot.
The cop says the student is wanted for "questioning".... that's it, that's all. And yet the cop tries to imply that the student IS the person who shot people.
The teacher said that the student may/thought be there. Did not say that he was definately there. So the cop lied.
So it went from the student is wanted for questioning to he could be armed. THEY LIED, to get access.
Here's some bs to chew on, cops in the U.S are apparently allowed to lie to suspects and possibly civillians too in order to get the information/confession they need
I don't think it is a lie to assume that a suspect in a shooting can be armed. So that statement is not the biggest concern. The cops blatantly lied over other things, including that the principal did not look in the downstairs classroom for the student implying the principal was knowingly hiding the student.
@@ralfvandeven3155 he actually first said he was wanted for questioning not a suspect
@@SE-gs6gd considering the number of cops involved and the way they went after him it is fair to say he was actually a suspect. So whether they called him a suspect, a person of interest, or someone they wanted to talk to, they suspect he was involved and from that perspective it was reasonable to assume he might be armed. So stating that the person they were looking for might be armed wasn't a lie.
I don't justify the cops behavior, I certainly don't justify the actual lies they did tell. I'm just not convinced that that particular statement was a lie. I would consider it a lie if they knew he was unarmed or had no objective reason to think he was armed.
@@ralfvandeven3155 except for the fact that there was only a few officers at first, then they called more officers because they said the principal "might be harboring the student"
God I hope we get more individuals in our school system and protecting our kids ,like this man!
"Do you have kids?" "How would you feel if someone shot at your kids?" In other words you want me to act in the overly emotional way a victimized parent would and not take into consideration law and logic?
I think the principal should have asked if the cop was threatening his children.
Hey it works for gun control, so why not
Really gives insight to that cop's thought process. Mostly emotion without logic. Totally what you want in law enforcement.
Kinda shows how they approach law enforcement. Also it should be noted that the police should not be allowed to say anything like that at all. If they can’t be professional they shouldn’t be allowed to enforce law.
considering 90% of laws are literally created to control you not to keep you safe in what way are you a victim? you cant kill them but they can gladly kill you.
The cops deserve an F.
- The line about “if he shot at your kids”
- The lie about the principal “going straight upstairs”
- Cop evidently called the school staff “liberals” in a derogatory manner.
If you can’t control yourself in a professional manner without having to lie or passive aggressively escalate a situation, then don’t do the damn job.
They were after a kid with a gun tho.. they have to make sure they find and arrest the kid before he uses the gun (which is even said in the video), because if they don't find him and someone was hiding him, and a school shooting takes place after they leave, then it's all the cop's fault for not arresting the kid sooner.. wether a teacher's hiding him or not.
I think they all start off good but then over time they develope a lazier behavior and forget about the law and more about getting more charges on people and their pay checks
The only thing wrong was the lie about the principal going straight up stairs. That was one incident which had zero effect. Therefore B+ or A
I assume he called them ‘libtards’ because it was censored. God help us all
@@masoncline8190 If the "professional' has to lie, then thats an F. Saying that the principal went "straight upstairs" is trying to attempt to insituate that the prinicipal is hiding the kid. Which would escalate the situation. Also the passive aggressiveness and the insulting of the staff warrants an F.
Do your job. Dont get personal. Dont put emotions and feelings into it, because when you do, you open yourself up to being ignorant AND wrong.
But this student wasn’t a fugitive, he was wanted for “questioning,” therefore he did not break the law.
questioning for them is code for "we want this kid to admit to a crime they didn't commit under duress without any parental figure/lawyer to protect their rights"
@truthseeker6153 But he's a minor and needs either a parent or legal guardian's consent/presence.
Didn't they say he was a suspect?
1:35 “He’s wanted for questioning in a shooting”
So he is a SUSPECT and not a fugitive.
That cop can't detain that teacher to use her access to the building. That was equivalent to kidnapping.
It should be noted that this was a school for 'at risk' students; students who had negative interactions with authorities in the past or had living situations that had negative interactions with authorities in the past. In other words the school is a 'safe place' or to use another view the school is a 'sactuary' where students privacy and trust would be more guarded and a typical public school. In the original video the principal explained this, with the further explanation that students had a tenuous trust in the school at best and unwarrented searches would likely erode what little trust there was, thus leading to student problems including students dropping out. The principal and staff's reluctance was based on this premise.
Thank you. All I heard from the narrator was that it was a "charter" school. This adds some much needed context.
Actually really smart
He did leave that part out didn't he. I think he did it on purpose. 🤔
I agree with you. This school is a safe haven by design, a place for what seemed to be minority students to be educated. The principal deserves an A+. I'll give the cops a B-, which is a good grade for law enforcement. My concern was once they start a sweep, everybody is a threat to them. Thats just part of their training. I feared a lock down and guns drawn going from class to class. Fortunately lead officer worked with principal. Otherwise a much different outcome might have occurred. Notice how bloated policing in schools is for that municipality. The numbers on that document rival that of a city of 30,000. Do yhey really need that for schooling?
The kids in the classroom seemed to enjoy the interaction. They didn’t seem to be as emotional shattered/fragile as the principal indicated.
When asked by the officer if he had children, the principal should have asked the officer if he had principles.
🤜🤛😖🤣
And maybe some people skills too
That would have been awesome!
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!😱😱😱
I see what you did there......
I like how the officer was like “I’ll come with you” and he just was like “nope”shut it down.
The fact that theyll just sit there in the lobby and hinder a whole day for the school is ridiculous. Do you think the principal would lie about the kid not being there putting every other student in danger?
Police: "I can go with you"
Principal: "Nope, that's OK"
hee hee
Police: "do you have kids"
Principal: "we aren't going to talk about my kids"
The officer was clearly trying to manipulate him
This channel gave these brave officers a B+, I think it’s time to unsubscribe
lol he said Nah
Did I miss something because as this convo was happening the principal was walking down the hall. According to the officer he booked it upstairs. Officers who lie should be fired.
ROFL got em'!!!!
The “do you have kids” and “what if he shot at your kids?” comments are completely unnecessary. They deserve a lower grade for trying to use emotional manipulation
im glad you like murder suspects in school. your hate for cops has crossed logical reasoning
it's a fair comment/question. Anyone with kids would understand the need for the police in this situation and not instinctively side with the rebellious attitude displayed by most lame brains in this comment section.
@@ebayguy38 no you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that they use a personal situation to get you to “understand” where they come from. the personal situation does nothing but let them change your view on the situation to give them more authority. using someone’s emotions as a way to gain answers is morally wrong.
He should have answered "yes I do and I would be suing the hell out of you if you questioned one of my kids without a legal guardian"
@@ebayguy38 looks like someone likes having their rights stepped on🙈
He seems like a principal I would have respected and looked up to when I was in school. I only had 1 teacher growing up that actually made a difference in my life personally. She was the reason I was honor student going into high school.
An that's all it takes an all u need sometimes is just 1 teacher to make that difference not a bad thing that it was just one teacher
Yup, Me too! I got all the way to 3rd grade not knowing how to read. Every time it was my turn to read, I just happen to need the bathroom. She caught on told me alone very politely she knew. She devoted every afternoon after school us alone and it took a very long time. After, she retired she & her husband traveled and I would receive beautiful postcards from all over🙏🏼RIP Angel
Imagine thinking a principle would hide a potential criminal and lie to police about it 🤣 cops are so paranoid. Wasted time looking for the kid.
Harboring a homicide suspect… yeah real hero 🥴🤡. I would knock the principal out knowing they were harboring a homicide suspect and my kid was in the same school. I’ll gladly take the ride to the grey bar motel…..
@@NguageTrains and you would commit a battery and hopefully sent to prison like the other violent criminals you deserve to be with. You are forgetting the "suspect" part innocent until proven guilty
Love how the shady officer told the district official the principal didn’t spend enough time upstairs to conduct a proper search.
That Sgt. Lucero is a good cop, one of the few who doesnt let his ego get in the way of his job.
Bs he does lol the dbag pulled me and arrested me for my TBI medication that even said what it was with my name and prescription after going thru my backpack in my rental car and saying my tbi meds were putting me under the influence lol. Went to the police station took all drug tests they wanted came back zero then said i was driving drunk they did bac test as well all coming back clean lol that pos cop deserves to be fired 😂
By the way that medication was prescribed by the VA so yeah hes a pos
They get an f imo, they detained the teacher who left the school and held her in the vehicle, had a perimeter set up and basically held the school hostage. They questioned the credibility of the school officials based on perceived political leanings. Questioned and searched a student who wasn't the student in question. I think they massively overstepped.
Hell yeah they did and this type of shit is only going to get worse
The officer's outside that "detained" the teacher should get a C not an F. It's made clear from the footage the officer dealing with the teacher outside was left in the dark and acted on caution for her safety. He handled that interaction as he should have on the little information he had, but could have phrased things differently to help maintain a calm and civil atmosphere. The officers inside as a group get a C as some members handled themselves professionally but failed to keep other members acting in a proffesional manner, while individually most of our star officers inside the school would get a D at best for poor performance but pure intentions if I'm being generous about their motives, but otherwise an F as it was clear a few were very willing to break the law if they had the chance.
What perceived political leanings are you talking about? I didn't hear anything regarding political beliefs... did I miss something?
@@TouchGrass144 12:50 Officer reprimanded for insulting teachers based upon perceived political leanings.
@@TouchGrass144 It's censored, so it's definitely "libtards"
There is a reason this man was chosen to be principal and he showed it here. Awesome job.
Having gone to a high school where staff called the police on students over a fist fight that ended in several teens being arrested, I’m glad there’re principals out there willing to stand up for their students.
We have always had a school district police department. All Jr highs and hs had at least 1 officer. My hs had like 5 officers but our campus was spread out over 50 acres and 11 buildings.
The city police would contact them and they would handle it. Kids saw them every day and it was way less tense than if the city police rolled in.
After the big school shooting pretty close to here a few years ago they started putting up more fences, having more officers, and all schools including elementary schools have at least 1 officer now. Justified given how fucked what happened was
I mean if theres a case of assault and fighting i think its fine to call the police cuz geez
Well thats the disctiction Audot makes here. If the crime happened on school property the school could ask police to detain or search the students. In this case the crime happened outside of school and the school is under no obligation to force the student to speak to police or produce the student. The police can notify the Students needs to come in for questioning but they cant turn over the school looking for him.
Lol there's a difference between assault on the premise versus being a person of interest
Same, the cops intimidated me and harassed me when I was a Senior. They literally stood behind the door as I walked in to the dean’s office and popped out of nowhere saying I could serve 3-5 days in jail. They said they had physical proof and I asked to see it and they refused.
These officers trying to guilt trip him is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting.
"We want to question him"
"No"
"Ok then he is armed and dangerous. Can we speak with him now?"
Lmfao but this is all too true and common but if a citizen lies though all hell breaks loose
@@JAHDCypha right, lying is such a shitty commonplace tactic with officers
theres full uncut footage of this from start to finish. the principle and staff should be fired. they knowingly defended someone who was involved in a shooting. not to mention they tried to hide him 🤣 this channel is biased asf.
@@dippinoutfool If you want to become a Master-Baiter you need to stop using laughing rolling emojis
@@dippinoutfool Link this supposed video then if there is this "full video"
That cop trying to emotionally manipulate the principal into violating procedure is quite worrying. It's as if he thinks it's completely acceptable to ignore the rules if you're upset or afraid.
That attitude gets civilians killed by cops.
if you have a stigma against cops of course being hostile would get you in trouble buddy
@@pauljerome01 fuck these Tyrannical knuckle-dragging thugs. All they do is throw their weight around and try to intimidate the public they are Sworn to serve.
You're exactly right
@@pauljerome01 people don't like them for good reason, did you not watch the video?
They want to manipulate the rules at the school because they manipulate and bend the laws to their benefit.
Police: Hey, this is serious.
Principal: Yeah, so are rights.
@Daddy Savage Rights don't care about your feelings.
Idiots
What about the rights of the person he shot or shot at?
@@klamaire1 How do you know anyone got shot?
@@klamaire1 and how do you know he did it? (minus the hindsight)
I love how pissed the principal got when the cops where let deeper in the building
"Do you have kids?"
Dude. This guy watches over TONS of kids. Whether he's a father or not is a fucked line of questioning for a PRINCIPAL
I know its a bit late but the kid they were looking for was charged with attempted first degree murder, he was dangerous.
@@lilwashcloth1732 and?
@@lilwashcloth1732 okay and? Suspects still have rights. Innocent until proven guilty.
@@lilwashcloth1732 “hE wAs dANgERouS” u don’t know the situation or circumstances, how *TF* can you claim someone is dangerous !? I know a couple people with murder charges who were only doing so for protection of themselves or others from DANGEROUS people. You need to go outside and learn about the world a little bit bud
@@gkrees9509 He attempted to kill somebody and was potentially at a school. You don't know the situation or circumstances in the school and whether or not he was going to hurt somebody else. If your buddies with murder charges were defending themselves then it's not murder, your buddies legitimately killed somebody in cold blood.
Love the principal's instant reaction about how he's not going to talk about his own kids. Honestly, so often do police take it way too far. This situation wasn't personal to begin with, why did he have to start talking about his kids?
Because theyre empathy less animals prob
principal should have began to start asking him questions about the pigs kids and wife and more private stuff ....
I love how pissed they were when he said he wouldn’t confirm if the child was present.
@@MonkayMan420 they were looking for a child who was ALLEGED to have fired bullets the night before. Until it has been proven in a court of law he is innocent and retains all his rights.
@@MonkayMan420 He's accused not convicted you mong.
I love it when you explain what they did wrong and I love learning about what I can do right and what’s wrong with who and what. Thank you
I could see both sides of the issue.... but as soon as the officer made threatening remarks against the principles children .... way, way over the top.
I didn't construe that as an attempt to threaten, I'm betting he was going to try to appeal to the principal's emotions to gain access. Glad the principal shut that down though.
He didn't do that, but nice attempt at a smear.
@@JoeyRhubarb stfu bootlicker. Last time I checked, his comments weren't part of his job description.
The clown actually thinks the law is dependent on who is involved.
@@aaroncouture4982 Officer did not make "threatening remarks". I stand by what I side,. It's a smear. The freedom to express one's self works both ways. Unprofessional? Maybe. Threatening.? Absolutely not.
This happened to me while in highschool. My father was soo pissed when I told him and threatened legal action and the police chief and principle ended up apologizing. I got pulled out of class by the school officer for something that happened over the weekend at a party that he thought I was at, I didnt realize until I got older just how inappropriate that is.
IF THE STUDENT IS A MINOR THE PARENTS NEED TO BE PRESENT/NOTIFIED!!
THIS PRINCIPAL SHOULD BE AN EXAMPLE FOR ALL PRINCIPALS NATIONWIDE!!
In that state? I don’t remember ever hearing that.
The parents need to be notified, yes.
They don't need to be present.
@@RyANWaLlEt 4:25
Yeah I was wondering if the school called home to report officers at the school wanting to speak to their child.
@@Harajuku3000 Wouldn’t that be the logical thing to do?
There should be a law deeming that a minor is to never speak with law enforcement unless a lawyer is present.
Damn, this makes me feel like I need to read some policies, the way the principal handled this with such poise and articulation was honorable
The fact that he had that rehearsed already means that probably happens pretty often at that school
@@pricklycatsss The principal commented on the video and mentioned that it does happen often
This is a classic video.
This principal takes his duties to look after all students under his care very seriously.
Yeah, he really looks after his students with care! He loves to let a kid who shot someone the day before wander around with other students! So caring
Sorry but a MURDERER lmao shouldn’t be protected
@@6z0 He checked and found that the student was not there. What is wrong with you ? The police can't intimidate ALL the students to apprehend one for interrogation. See then how the police try to get around the law on students under 18 years old.
Defending a student wanted for attempted homicide isn’t protecting your students, it’s putting other students in the school at risk.
@@ren3480 He followed school policy, that is his job in the absence of evidence of imminent threat.
"We investigated ourselves, and found we did nothing wrong."
The Police are a fucking joke. I can guarantee you if there were no cameras involved here, the cops would've just pushed past the staff and done whatever they wanted
Ikr? That pisses me off
@@thedenseone6443 "if"
@@masoncline8190 did he ask?
@@AntiTeamerAssociation Using that term unironically is cringe
I had a teacher during the 60's that would have told him to go get a warrant.
"So if he shot at your kids you'd have the same policy?" I mean you're an officer, of all people, you're the ones that are supposed to set the example of following the laws and not running off emotions.
yeah when parkland happens again, you'll be blaming the officers for not taking charge
@@pauljerome01 interesting reaction
Puh-lease that kid only became armed and dangerous when it was their last option to maintain their "power"
The student is in a public school, thus, the cops have legal jurisdiction to question that student without the need of a warrant.
@@sergeantmasson3669 try watching the video then comment.
@@Not_An_EV Go get a law education before attempting to tell somebody that already has one what to do.
@@sergeantmasson3669 ah yes of course I believe you have a law degree. Listen mate my degree in defensive magic and potions from Ilvermorny trumps your law degree. Also if you had a law degree you'd know that after an inspection into both places and how they handled things after the fact it was found that no one here was in the wrong except for one officer who got reprimanded for calling a teacher a libtard. The school was right to block access to the student without a warrant as the kid had not committed any crime in front of said officers and the police were right to check students id's and do absolutely nothing else. But no go off about how because your watch attorney tom or legal Eagle that it gives you a law degree. Especially considering you dont seem to understand how the 4th amendment works.
@@Not_An_EV If stupid could fly, you'd be supersonic.
“If he were to shoot at your kids would you have the same policies.” So...the cops are already in the mindset of believing that the student committed the crime without evidence ? If the student did commit the crime he was accused of then I hope he was arrested. However, this video should shows that we need to protect ourselves legal.
He was on video shooting his ex-gf, so what do you mean no evidence? And he turned himself in and admitted it, got charged with first degree attempted murder.
@@1988ryan1 if the cops had that evidence they would of had an arrest warrant, they would not be questioning him.
@@ionstorm66 When did they say they don't want to arrest him in the video? He was the primary suspect in a shooting, they wanted to both arrest AND question him.
He was on cctv in public shooting his ex out of anger and then went on the run and didnt show up at home etc, concrete evidence but still legally a suspect until proven in court. They got intel he was at school and they rushed to find him.
The original evidence of a 3rd party saying he was at school wasn't enough reason to go wondering about the school and disturbing everyone without the police seeing him that's why they went at break time when he was out of class, but the teacher gave them reasonable suspicion by saying he was 100% there that day which is much stronger evidence , thats why they were able to search after the principle said no, because they did get a warrant.
@@1988ryan1 they said he was wanted for questioning to the principal… idiot
I love when the subtitles say [Music] and [Applause]
I had the opposite kind of teachers and administrators most of my school life. It touches my heart that this guy is actually trying to protect the students
Yep. In my case, I went to a school that had security officers dressed as cops who would call the cops on students.
Charter school who actually cares about the community. These kids probably get harassed a lot by police.
same here. My school was full of want to be rental cops, metal detectors, and random K9 searches of our lockers. we were treated like criminals from day one
yea man i would totally protect someone who's suspecting of shooting people. why not?
@@dippinoutfool it's called innocent until proven guilty and police cannot legally interrogate a minor without their parent or guardians permission so unless the student in question was 18+ the principal was actually upholding the law better than the officers trying to do anything for a "bust". How's leather taste?
I love how bad cops go straight to an emotive “do you have kids?” Option. Poor skills officer.
LOL. Watching further. “We think they’re trying to hide him”. What an intelligent, logical conclusion 🙄
Remember, it's usually the very people screeching 'Think of the Childrenz' who often prove guilty of neglect or even outright abuse of actual children.
You are essentially commenting that you have no kids lol
@@navigator9905 So what if I don't have kids? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything, but seriously, why do you care whether I (or anyone else for that matter) have kids or not?
@@timvanhoeck7018 cause your comment would mean you are a bad parent lol
I didnt see any "bad cops" in this video. They did their job, they were try to make sure the kids in the school were safe
This is a prime example of how hard cops work at being hated and distrusted. They go out of their way to ensure there will always be a divide between themselves and decent human beings.
That's definitely not always true
Who are the decent human beings here? The kid wanted for shooting at people? 😂🤦
I would say it’s the minority.
Right, this is one of many examples where ppl have to protect kids from cops
@@stevenmcdabbin7652 you literally just watched video evidence of the cops lying bullying and manipulating people to try to get what they want and you believe their fucking 'gunshots' story?
"So if he shot at your kids" First off he is wanted for questioning, maybe a suspect at this point he is at least a person of interest. If they had evidence they could get a warrant for his arrest. The principle couldn't be held on aiding and abetting a felon as the kid hasn't been charged or convicted of anything. Think your analysis is flawed.