The Many Issues of HotD Season 2

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  • @jacksonperez5615
    @jacksonperez5615 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    The showrunner and writers believe this is a story between Rhaenyra and Alicent, where it is actually a civil war between two sides. They have critically misunderstood the plot

  • @KMort
    @KMort 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Heavy on the no lingering feelings about the deaths. I expected the death of Luke to affect Rhaenyra beyond ep 1, same for Aegon, Helaena and Alicent with Jahaerys. By the end of the season the characters all act like they forgot it happened entirely.

  • @HadTheBallsToSayIt
    @HadTheBallsToSayIt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

    Alicent in season 2 is biggest character assassination I have ever seen, this woman goes from doing everything for the sake of her family to betraying everyone, essentially sentencing her brother, father, sons and her lover to death??? Like what the actual fuck. At this point I only care about Aegon since he is the only character with some personality left. Will be interesting to see if the show finds a way to butcher his most epic moment...

    • @ricardoxavier8565
      @ricardoxavier8565 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      alicent is "betraying" her family because she is done. all her life all she ever did was get used as a pawn , perform her duty and stay in line. and now she finally sees that it amounted to nothing. her boys are terrible people lustful for power and no one around her respects her as an individual. shes tired and wants freedom and to run away with her angel daughter. thats it

    • @AdamMovs
      @AdamMovs  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      Team Aegon > Team Green, Team Black

    • @messybeavz4796
      @messybeavz4796 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      another boring comment sounds like you have the imagination to finish the story and make the characters perfect? what you doing wasting your time watching tv? sounds like you have it all figured out and watching TV is a waste of time for someone as superior as you.

    • @MourningCoffeeMusic
      @MourningCoffeeMusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      1 of the writers mentioning this show is supposed to be a tragic love story between Alicent and Rhaenyra tells me they absolutely will butcher Aegon’s big moment.

    • @jackhambrook99
      @jackhambrook99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Its not that long a reach though? The entire season you Aemond slipping away from her, as she becomes increasingly scared of him- especially after he wounds Aegon; and the breaking point is when he threatens Helaena's life. You see how she attempts to reach out to him and he denies her constantly, as well as continuously debasing her position. Aegon she even states she "hoped" would come into the leadership position which she herself had forced him into (and you can see her worry and doubt about that even in s1 episode e9 during the coronation), however, obviously as no one prepared him, he didn't. She urged him to sit back and he didn't and ended up on his death bed, where we in turn get multiple scenes of Alicent just sat, watching him die; mirroring her relationship with viserys, being right back to where she was at the very beginning. She strokes his face, hesitantly, as its been made clear she doesn't know how to connect with her children or be a mother (and why would she?). However, its clear to her that he will die, just as viserys did. And interestingly in contrast, she has been growing closer with Heleana, as she has wound up in the same position Alicent once was, and they have been made to spend increasingly more amounts of time together. I wouldn't say its that far of a stretch for, in a moment of desperation to save the one remaining child she can (kind of as Helaena did with Jahaera), she makes the choice of allowing the war thirsty, maddened son and the dying one (as far as she knows) to be killed. She's clearly guilty about the choice but non the less makes it. Im not a complete fan of how the scene went down entirely or the logistics of how Alicent even got to Dragonstone, however Alicent's motivations are fairly linear and sensical. (Not perfect but I wouldn't call it character assassination, or not to SUCH an extreme- just character development).

  • @sonofsanguinius4880
    @sonofsanguinius4880 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    The showrunners deciding to make rhanyra the main character instead of going the GoT route where they have a bunch of characters whose story we follow was extremely stupid. In the books Rhaenyra didn't do much at this point in the war, and with the showrunners focusong so much on her it is highlighted and she seems way more useless than she is. She drains away screentime from the rest of team black. We at least know the people on the green council, like Larys, Otto Christon. I chalange you to name 3 non valiryan people o the black council. Rhaenyra is constantly arguing with a bunch of random nobles on her team and we have no idea who these people are and why would they be of any importance.

    • @JoJoJoker
      @JoJoJoker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Emma D’Arcy is a special person and therefore she gets all of the attention. Don’t be a hater!

    • @9xprincess
      @9xprincess 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes they made a mistake by making Rhaenyra be the main character. It made it that story perspectives and screen time couldn't be allotted to multiple characters during the war. A good number of whom as pointed out by many, play a more active role in the war then Rhaenyra and Alicent.

  • @MourningCoffeeMusic
    @MourningCoffeeMusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    This season did so many questionable things that I’m now questioning stuff from season 1 initially had no problems with…

    • @AdamMovs
      @AdamMovs  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Exactly! It's a case where Season 1 was mostly strong so the small moments of 'huh?' could be overlooked. But, with Season 2, it's making those moments seem worse and almost like warnings for many of Season 2's moments.

    • @Blackkey034
      @Blackkey034 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Rhaenyras dumb hunting segment meant to be like Daenerys eating of a horse heart . Wow SO TOUGH even Sir Strong is amused. Wow

    • @9xprincess
      @9xprincess 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A big issue that I skipped over from S1 was not having a funeral for King Viserys. That probably should have been the last scene for the Green Council or the only Green scene in the beginning of the Black Council.

  • @b_a_t_m_a_n_
    @b_a_t_m_a_n_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    8:48 this! Ryan condal saying that small folk mourn the beloved dragon meleys when the said dragon has killed thousands of them, reminded me of got8 'dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet.'

  • @jdh5224
    @jdh5224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    It goes to show that a multimillion dollar budget and all the cgi in the world cant replace good writing and story telling. I rewatched season 1 of GOT and god damn, I could watch them talk all day. HOTD season 2's writing was just bad. I don't even care about the lack of action/dragon battles. It's the nonsensical plot lines, monotonous storytelling,brain dead dialogue and character assassinations.

  • @Relic554
    @Relic554 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    The cutaways are pretty disappointing. It was okay to do it once with Deamon with Blood and Cheese but now they overused it.

  • @etiennefritz52
    @etiennefritz52 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Very good analysis, I agree with most of the points raised. As you say, the characters' time management is clumsy, why spend 15 minutes of the last episode of the season seeing the Lannister wade in the mud and flirt with a random pirate? Was there not something better to do?
    I also find the modifications to the books to be much less intelligent than in the first season (for example the fact that Aemond attacks his brother and thus loses a dragon in his side)
    I'm afraid that the series will deteriorate over the seasons like Game of Thrones

    • @AdamMovs
      @AdamMovs  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Yea unfortunately with Aemond it seems they just want his character to be plainly evil this season with far less nuance. In general Team Green seems to get treated pretty badly by the writers.

  • @JoJoJoker
    @JoJoJoker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Misandry was the cause of HotD S2’s shortcomings. They don’t want to give up the “men evil and violent, women just and diplomatic” motivations.

  • @BitMan1010
    @BitMan1010 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Great analysis man, you've covered the underlying issues that I've felt through out this season and explored them, appreciate your work very nice!

    • @messybeavz4796
      @messybeavz4796 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bad comment honestly it feels like nobody these days are happy if you want it to be the same as the book! read the book! if you think you can do better do better. FAR too many critics these days! and EVERYONE Thinks its cool to complain which in turn makes more people miserable! its a joke.

  • @John_The_Fourth
    @John_The_Fourth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Biggest thing wrong for me, I have no interest in rewatching this season😂

    • @AdamMovs
      @AdamMovs  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      yea, honestly feel the same

  • @GunLut
    @GunLut 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think that the writers and actors strike that went on during (pre-)production of this season shows. Hopefully season 3 will pick it up a bit

  • @Emy-fv5ny
    @Emy-fv5ny 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The problem is the script. It doesn't matter how much time the characters are on the screen if they are not doing anything relevant and coherent. And that what happened this season.

  • @me-fm8nl
    @me-fm8nl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This season is mostly about characters. If we don't spend time with the characters, the things that happen to them won't hit the way the should. Also If you are not interested in seeing the main characters (Alicent Rhaenyra and Deamon) then there is no reason for you to watch. Their journey are the prime focus.

  • @Dashawn
    @Dashawn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One of the victims are dream fyre she's just locked up while still being claimed by a rider who literally doesn't ride her or interact with her she's just left "abandoned"

  • @Mw1ng0l3
    @Mw1ng0l3 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I don't feel that's slow, it's more like pointless scenes, the pace would be perfect if there was more purpose to the scenes other than repeating what was already established

  • @Factboy12
    @Factboy12 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    House of Bridgerton : Blood Origin.

    • @saranemcova5448
      @saranemcova5448 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Come on.
      Put some respect on Bridgerton.

    • @Factboy12
      @Factboy12 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@saranemcova5448 No.

  • @Moriningland
    @Moriningland 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I stopped at episode 5. I’m done and I’m done with all the other GRRM spinoffs that are in the works. Waste of time

  • @Arthur-nr5ci
    @Arthur-nr5ci 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Remember, if youre critical of the show it's only because there arent enough battles or action (cheap and lazy autoreponse from the stans).

  • @InsolventGene
    @InsolventGene 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    You should know of the fan's backlash against the writers Ryan Condal, Sara Hess for their inconsistent writing and irrational changes.

    • @ZanderStentz
      @ZanderStentz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s bad yes but comes nowhere near that

    • @ChildOfTheFlower
      @ChildOfTheFlower 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there? I have seen people who wanted D&D's heads running damage control for Condal and Hess for using the "strike and budget" excuse

    • @ZanderStentz
      @ZanderStentz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChildOfTheFlower it’s not an excuse, yeah there writing flaws that they made, but hbo made them cut two episodes without warning them or allowing them to reshoot

    • @ChildOfTheFlower
      @ChildOfTheFlower 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ZanderStentz That doesn't explain getting rid of Maelor, 3 minutes of the North, Nettles omission, Alicent having nothing to do all season, Rhaenrya saying the same thing every episode, or 6 full episodes of Daemon getting a mushroom trip. Yes HBO did mess up but most of their problems are writing issues.

    • @ZanderStentz
      @ZanderStentz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChildOfTheFlower I honestly dont care about the book, its harder for a tv show to have so many characters and they already have enough, it would just make things more confusing, I like the change to Rhaenyras character, but yes i wish that she would have been more active, and honestly for alicent, this season showed how insignificant she was, it gave her character conflict and made her do a 180 on everything, i do agree tho that her choice of going to Rhaenyra was stupid. i enjoyed Daemons arc it added more depth to his character, yes it was dragged and there was definitely scenes that should have been cut, but not most.

  • @mushrifahmed8107
    @mushrifahmed8107 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    After seeing the scene between Rhaenyra and Alicent, I was wondering in what world does this kind of a meeting happen? And not just once but twice?! These 2 people are the leaders of 2 factions at war. How are they not even captured before being able to meet the other leader. The idea of something like this happening during any war time is unbelievable. The ony time something like this can happen is to negotiate peace terms or something like that (if I'm not mistaken).
    And the worst thing is both of these scenes did nothing good. In the 1st one I was so surprised that each of them brush off the death of their child and grandchild. And in the second one is just a character assassination of Alicent. All her motives and actions of all this time thrown down the drain. Why does Hollywood keep on hiring writers to push agendas instead of telling good stories?

  • @an-animal-lover
    @an-animal-lover 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm late to seeing it, but it's neat that you uploaded on this channel again

  • @my2randomcents
    @my2randomcents 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Treating Dragons as props instead of having them be part of the lives of their riders is the most fucked up logic the writers could have

  • @StrongLIfePower
    @StrongLIfePower 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hope the House of the Dragon show runners and writers watch your review and improve season 3 the way you describe

  • @jrm371
    @jrm371 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Alicent and Rhanera didn’t do anything all season, especially Alicent. Check that: no one really did anything.

  • @thezenable
    @thezenable 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I agree. the entire season was soo bad. Only one good episode. Not enough ..we want more dragons

    • @TheRealHerbaSchmurba
      @TheRealHerbaSchmurba 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Holy lies dude. Like youre straight up just yappin

    • @big8snake
      @big8snake 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Episode 4 was very good. Episode 7 was pretty good. Other than that it just felt like filler with the occasional dragon scene.

    • @thezenable
      @thezenable 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TheRealHerbaSchmurba and you are yappin on my yappin..if you like the season good for you. For me is trash

  • @akeelyaqub2538
    @akeelyaqub2538 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Season 1 had plot set ups that were paid off almost always in the same episode. Season 2s episodes were almost all set up with no payoff.
    Like you said each episode in s1 had its own small conflict that added to the overall conflict. Only the dragonseed pay off actually happened in the same episode it was set up in. Even though it was a big topic in the prior episodes before it.

  • @GayPintoWalsh
    @GayPintoWalsh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Commenting before watching so I hope you hit on it but if this season only takes place over a month or so then Aegon has the most miraculous recovery in the history of Westeros. Dude survived Dragonfire melting him, at least a hundred foot fall, then a days worth, up to probably 3 days worth of riding around in a carriage exposed to any infection or anything that might come his way. Then all of his injuries heal up in like a week? His leg that was almost ripped off is now walkable. This show has ripped away any semblance of realism worse than GoT did with Arya. It’s despicable.

  • @og--pb6gu
    @og--pb6gu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Team black point blanc period

  • @VSG117
    @VSG117 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Finally a channel telling truths

  • @TheRealHerbaSchmurba
    @TheRealHerbaSchmurba 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Episode 1,2,4,5,6 and 7 are all good episodes to me. Overhated season. We got alot of character work for alot of characters. I dislike what they did to Alicent and the meetings between her and Rhaenyra but beyond that the main issues were the pacing and lack of focus on other characters like Rhaena, Baela, and Jace.

  • @mariusxmeier2417
    @mariusxmeier2417 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good review, I can see where you´re coming from. Personally I was on board with the show up until Episode 6, but yeah, we have to be honest and say that momentum is a huge factor of what makes a series like this great.
    I think a lot of people would have been displeased with GOT Season 2 without blackwater for example. Blackwater was the culmination of Tyrion´s arc. And personally I would have needed something like that for this season as well.
    And as you rightly point out, too many scenes of Alicent and Rhaenyra.

  • @sliceofheaven3026
    @sliceofheaven3026 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the lack of perspectives is for me the biggest issue of the series. We are way too focused on the queens and the other characters seem to pop out of nowhere when they are needed and then fade back into obscurity once they are no longer needed for the immediate plot. One example are the dragon riders who are just suddenly introduced withouth a lot of preamble. The whole thing just seems so abrupt. I also dont understand how these people who get basically a medievil equivalent of a nuclear weapon for some reason swear fealty immedialty to a queen in exile. Also dont the dragons communicate between each other at all? Dont they have any sort of hierarchy of leadership?.

  • @lukedpk4557
    @lukedpk4557 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You said everything perfectly!

  • @nn-NeuralNetwork
    @nn-NeuralNetwork 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need a count of every council scene this season

  • @icom782
    @icom782 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I sometimes wonder why wont directors and screenwriters just read people opinions/ideas/theories on how the story should evolve and then just do it.

  • @hamedhosseini4938
    @hamedhosseini4938 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn man you are so good at explaining things. You should definitely give a video game called Dead by Daylight a go!

  • @angryman2406
    @angryman2406 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really really want them to divulge just how much a dragon costs to have on the screen. This keeps being used as a reason we don't get more of them, yet we have movies being made entirely out of pretty believable CGI all the time. I guess I just don't buy it, really. Has there ever been a break down of how much per second this apparent pinnacle of CG technology costs?

  • @shane1489
    @shane1489 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ll just say that yeah it was not a thrilling finale but at least it left me wanting to see more. Can’t say that for almost any other shows.

    • @AdamMovs
      @AdamMovs  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yea, I'm still invested too, for sure!

  • @bryceking1806
    @bryceking1806 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Couldn’t agree more overall it wasn’t a terrible season my biggest criticism would be the scenes between alicent and raynera they just weren’t good and were by far the biggest change from the books they just don’t work

  • @tonymontez2358
    @tonymontez2358 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Blame HBO for not giving them the budget money for episodes 9-10 this season would’ve been fine if we got the big battle that would’ve been episode 9 and the aftermath in episode 10

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Writers boicot
      They cut the season and you can feel this was write by one guy or girl

    • @tonymontez2358
      @tonymontez2358 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Morfe02 yes it was because of the writers strike and the budget. Those dragon fights and epic battles cost millions to make, I think HBO should bet the bank and pay whatever the cost to get the epic battles and 10 episode seasons and make HOTD the best show on tv like GOT was before

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tonymontez2358 of course but now is worst
      They have like 10 battles Next season dragón and soldiers
      They need like 6 seasons if is the budget but in 4 seasons means a lot of time Skip my god

    • @tonymontez2358
      @tonymontez2358 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Morfe02 idk if we’re getting 10 battles I think we might get 3 or 4 tho I’ve heard it cost around $50 million just to do one big battle. I get the feeling they really are trying to stretch the show for more seasons I’m sure they probably want more than 4 seasons plus HBO doesn’t have any other big shows so they might as well try to get get 6 or 7 seasons and flesh out all the characters

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tonymontez2358 i really Hope at least 5
      6 would be exagerated unless they have GOOD characters something very difficult if they spend time making fan-trailers about Game of THRONES instead of introducing the Riverlords or maybe Jeyne or the Winter wolves with Rodin

  • @nunyabusiness8000
    @nunyabusiness8000 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not watching this video but I’m just gonna say. First half is good, second half is mid, final episode mostly missed. Biggest issue is setting up a whole lot and paying off very little.

    • @BigV24
      @BigV24 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So why comment then…weird

  • @disgruntleddude
    @disgruntleddude 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They completely ruined Rhaenyra.

  • @Morfe02
    @Morfe02 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Stop using women writers 😂
    They dont have kids how the hell are gonna write Alicent and Rhaenyra like that
    They didnt even remember HER ONLY GRANDSON, HER SON EAT BY A DRAGON OR HER UNBORN DAUGHTER OE MAYBE HER HUSBAND exile by her own hand
    All interesting dialogue could be made with thouse characters in mind but nahhh better talk about Patriarchy for the 50 time or about flying to Essos why no
    Yass queens

  • @trevormarshall2817
    @trevormarshall2817 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Return from the dead ☠️

  • @officerfriendly99
    @officerfriendly99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You sound like the dead by daylight guy

    • @AdamMovs
      @AdamMovs  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      weird that

  • @Richard71834
    @Richard71834 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you guys not understand how quick the dance of dragons was? You guys want a battle each episode but every battle is fatal if you had a battle every episode the series would be over