Reminds me when I was nervous getting surgery the doctor I was with said this to me “Nervous? That’s natural. The important thing is that I am not.” Instantly calmed the nerves and gotta give him respect it’s a very good saying haha. I talked with him after and it’s apparently very common.
@@ConnerPlays360 Absolutely common. It's not something you can practice and you have zero control over. You are putting your life in another persons hands. It's only natural to be scared. The good news is that surgeons are trained professionals that have a lot of experience. To them their work is as common as changing a tire on a car.
@@stlslimeboy9933 It is cheap as a tactic, sure, but as a movie plot it's not cheap. Dormammu was established to be nigh-unstoppable if he ever were to directly invade. But he was also established to be outside of time (ie, vulnerable to it), and the time stone/eye was established to be able to cause time loops. Strange simply connected the dots and had the willpower to go through this crazy gambit as a last resort, and as a plot point it becomes a clever subversion of the "big final fight with cgi monster" trope. That's why people enjoy this scene so much. It's funny, it's clever, and it was rather novel for a final "fight".
@stlslimeboy9933 At any point he can stop loading in if it becomes to stressful Like if he gets ripped apart slowly over the course of 89,000,000 millennia.
Especially when you learn that Strange is actually well-acquainted with pain long before his accident. It's said in a deleted scene that he became a doctor out of guilt over not being able to save his sister from drowning, hence his crippling fear of failure.
Not only that, but that moment of confusion might well have been what let Strange win. I'm not sure if he actually remembers dying and coming back (depending on how exactly the Time Stone-based spell works), so he might not even know if the loop is working until Dormammu expresses confusion about seeing the guy he just atomized leap back onto the scene and announce his intent to bargain (again). Once Strange sees Dormammu's confused reaction, he knows that his plan is working and all he has to do now is keep dying until Dormammu finally cracks and listens to his bargain. Notice how his first "revival" has him say "Dormammu, I've come to bargain!" in the same tone as he did before, and then subsequent repeats have him expressing varying levels of smugness, exasperation, and/or confidence? After the first loop completes itself, he KNOWS that Dormammu is trapped, and so he's more relaxed (comparatively, since he's still getting obliterated who knows how many times).
@@mattshinde3614yep, he also spent countless years in that loop, studying magic and increasing his power, which is why he’s so much more powerful in later movies. This also happened in the comics, where he spent at least 5000 years trapped in the loop.
@@mattshinde3614Also notice in the second time Dormammu made sure he killed Dr Strange without a big ass laser, he wanted to be certain he saw Dr Strange die and yet despite it all, it started again
He died 6,307,200,000 times if my math is correct. According to the original script he was in the Dark Dimension for 1000 years and would die after every time he said, “Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain,” which I estimate to about 5 seconds. Dr. Strange has a very strong will.
Cant strange just reverse time like thranos did on vision Nd bring people back to life or use reality stone Nd change the reality...... U can do it using one stone in a relic Nd they won't even have to die
This is why strange is my favorite MCU character. He is already extremely strong but this is a whole other level. He simply suffers hundreds, thousands, if not tens of thousands of times with nothing but sheer resolve withstanding more torture than Dormammu could fathom to give. That is a hero, and after it all he doesn’t brag or look for praise he simply moves on because he knows that’s his job.
Not only that image being a game character, everyone is like level 80 -90 even if Dormamu fight only gives you few points of XP Strange is like level 1000 already
I read that he was in the time loop for an amount of time equivalent to about 1000 years. If we estimate an average time per loop of about 15 seconds (he has to fly down to the closer platform, say the line, and then gets obliterated after dormammu responds), then 1000 years means he died about 2 BILLION times. Crazy willpower.
Honestly, this scene is truly a testament to Dr Strange's mental fortitude. No wonder his mind is still intact after experiencing 14,000,605 different alternate futures.
He's very strict about his reality, the Time Stone along with his photogenic memory allowed him to basically be in control at all times since he knows everything that's ahead. Question is how far up ahead did he peer into?
Now that we will have Loki movie which will tell us more about the time keeper, and how does it work. I think somehow this is connected because of the time stone obviously
@Robert Aladin THAT is what cinched it. This weak little human was holding an omnipotent super being prisoner. For someone like dormammu, that had to be terrifying.
Before her children, she already had a deep crack dealt to her mind at the loss of her brother. Losing her country to Stark missiles and her humanity to Hydra experiments was like the loss of Stephen's hands. The loss of her brother, while she had powers, was as bad as one Death by Dormammu. The terrible powers of the Stones included that Strange never actually died. He rewrote history. He changed Reality actually. The Loop is a powerful cheat code. It took genius to think of using it that way and figure out how to make it happen correctly. But it worked. Stephen never sacrificed himself. He just made Dormammu aware that Dormammu had nothing that could beat the Time Stone. Wierd. Strange. Wanda had to remember her brother being ripped away. Her children of course are an entirely more controversial topic but still would have been a major wound. I would argue they sacrificed a similar amount and both cheated the rules. Kidnapping Chavez wasn't the worst thing and wasn't unforgivable. The problem was that she planned to kill her. That was a deal breaker.
@@darthparallax5207 funny because strange lost the love of his life and was never tempted to use the time stone to bring her back(616 strange obviously, not strange supreme or any other universe)
@@darthparallax5207 and fym strange never sacrificed himself, he got killed several times and spent millenniums fighting dormmamu remembering each and every moment he fought and time spent fighting dormmamu, not to mention he literally sacrificed himself in infinity war as well
@@darthparallax5207 yeah Thor went through the same shit. His mother died, his father died, his long-lost sister was evil, his friends died, many of his people died, Heimdall died, Loki died and then Jane died. Did he become an asshole? No. Did he choose to stay in asgard when he went back in time in avengers endgame? No. He decided to save his friends.
@@darthparallax5207 This scene literally takes place over years at least, and Strange is obviously aware of his previous deaths within the time loop. Strange died thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands of times in quite brutal fashion. Over, and over, and over again. Nobody, including Wanda, can even begin to quantify THIS kind of sacrifice. Simultaneously, I object to the idea that besides killing Chavez, Wanda's plan was good somehow. She had no problem killing scores of people to get to Chavez, and even if she didn't kill the girl, she'd still have to kill the other timeline's Wanda. Her objectives in MoM are inherently murderous and evil.
In case you didn't know, this is the only film in the MCU to date that doesn't end in a final fight. Cause Strange literally annoys the villain until he gives up😭😂😅
I still think this is one of the most underrated climaxes in the MCU. Lots of movies have ended with heroes fighting to save the world, but in this one the hero _suffers_ to save the world- not just withstanding pain until he can beat the villain, but voluntarily condemning himself to a potential _eternity_ of pain to prove that his will is stronger than that of the interdimensional demon! "Pain's an old friend" has to be one of the most badass boasts in the entire franchise, and Strange just delivers it so _calmly._
This is Strange thinking beyond himself for the first time, after what the Ancient One taught him, he understood the whole picture. I truly loved this movie
This and 'The Eternal' are the best MCU endings imo. Because they focus more on characters overcoming their shortcomings and are more intimate than the big fights.
This is actually a good but extreme training too, he is no longer afraid of death and have faster reaction time after killed many times, and there's a lot more benefit from these extreme method
Was literally just thinking about this haha. Thanks for being the one to say it cause dude literally gets bodied so much and I felt awful for him lmao… like shit guys he died so violently so many times lol
I read somewhere that in the comics, Strange spent what seemed liked Centuries or so with Dormammu in this moment, in that time he learned more and more about the mystic arts as he kept the memory of each of his deaths and encounters/convos with Dormammu. At the end, Domammu relented and left, leaving Strange to be super amped afterwards. Centuries of training that only passed in a moment. Not aging and dying over and over
Not to mention the experience he gained in the 14 million outcomes during Infinity War, that had to have been millions of years of learning and training to find the exact series of events to defeat Thanos. Some people think it was Iron Man who defeated Thanos but in reality it was Dr. Strange. Thanos said Strange never used his greatest weapon but he was wrong, Strange knew he had already set up the timeline of his defeat. He's by far the most powerful in the MCU for sure.
They should've made a point about that, or at least something close to that, here. It feels like Dormammu isn't much of a supreme being with so little resilience... Also, if Strange is able to take it, the loop has to become a progressive learning experience or something to make sense for the human psyche (not that he's just any human, but still), as you mentioned.
For all we know, this could have gone on for a thousand years since time is irrelevant to Dormammu. It’s definitely telling that Dr. Strange went from being an amateur to the most powerful sorcerer in the universe after this scene
I can't stress enough how smart this move was on Strange's part. Not only does it give him the win in a theoretically no-win scenario, it also serves as a really long, really violent training montage where he gets to hone his skills in non-stop combat against an eldritch deity for a thousand years in the span of a couple of moments in real time.
I love dormammu’s expression the first time doctor strange comes back, he’s completely baffled by the deja vú of the moment and the facial expression is hilarious
@@davidchism6081 I know. If it weren’t for the fact that he was so cosmic, I can see him just screaming is line in disbelief and rage, “ What is HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!?!?!?”
I mean, it's more that Strange had the wits to realize he could create Dormammu's personal hell, and then had the resolve to pay the price to himself for however long it took. My suspicion is that because he exist outside of time, Dormammu finds being trapped in a time loop, subjected to time, to be agonizing.
Imagine how much Strange upgraded his skills going through this over and over. Complete mastery of defensive spells. Experimentation with spells not even written yet. The longer Dormammu keeps this up, the stronger and more powerful Strange would get.
The loop continued for a thousand years, I think. Each bargain attempt lasted approximately less than 2-5 minutes. Edit: He mastered "infinitesimal maneuver", making each and every action he makes very efficient, effective, and precise to a ridiculous degree.
@@user-iu4fm5rb8i 525,600 mins per year. 3 mins per encounter. 1000 years. That's 175,200,000 encounters. With only the final encounter not resulting in a brutal death...
@@generaljd1581 A comment taken from another video. "I have been across the entire galaxy, visited everything there is to visit and have not found a person who cares.
This scene is so beautiful. Dormammu isn't a random villain, it is the representation of the fear of humanity to death and suffering. Kaecilius wanted it to come to earth because he couldn't stand what time gives: end for life, end for things, "time is an insult". Strange realize time is what gives life a meaning. Loving life, living for something bigger than you. Strange have come to bargain with himself, and, in name of humanity, with the void that mankind has.
the funny thing is, this is kinda in character for strange...and considering the directors admitted he spent years dying to dormammu...he probably did this at least once
Bustin lol he should’ve said that to make Dormammu even more mad but after that he probably wouldn’t even listen to strange anymore so idek if that would have been a wise decision too.
honestly this is one of the best written moments in the MCU. the hero had lost, earth was done, the goose was cooked, and the extremely underpowered hero walks up to a literal god from another dimension and uses his brain and a single powerful asset to outwit the god and render him incapacitated, then grits and bears for an unknown amount of unimaginable suffering. he was prepared to spend literally eternity suffering for all of humanity to continue prospering. all just for a bit of leverage he wasnt sure he'd ever get. this is why, to me, dr strange has the biggest balls of all the avengers. with iron man and cap as runners up.
The true meaning of this scene is how far Strange has come. He started as an arrogant neurosurgeon who only cared for himself and his work, and now e is sacrificing himself over and over again to keep the leader of the dark dimension from taking over earth.
The best thing about this is that we don't actually know how much time he spent trapped with Dormammu in the loop. It could've been minutes or it could've been centuries(Since he was using the Time stone power, he could've spent centuries in the loop and still come back to Earth where it only passed a few minutes). We don't know for sure and that makes his determination so much more amazing.
I really doubt it'd just be a few years when he's up against a cosmic being like Dormammu. For Dormammu, he probably just didn't like being trapped for a short time to him, but that short time could have been easily hundreds - thousands of years.
I love how the stones are just above Dormammu in power enough to get the edge on him, but he’s powerful enough to catch onto its power within a short amount of time
"Dormammu, I've come to bargain." With how many times he had to have heard that, you know that as an added bonus, that phrase will be haunting Dormammu for all eternity. Every time some says his name, he will automatically hear in his head, "...I've come to bargain." Seriously, this is one of my favorite twists in any movie I've ever seen; the hero doesn't win through wits or power, but instead by losing over and over again.
Good message but strange had the upper hand once he had Dormmamu in the loop, he was his prisoner as strange said so he wasn’t really losing. He did win by patience and willpower though.
This is probably the most satisfying MCU film ending. I loved that he beat him with his intellect and just annoyed him into submission! After all of the world ending fights THIS was refreshing.
Not only intellect, but mental power also. He did this time and time again, dying everytime, and I believe he also feels the pain. But still willing to do this time and time again. What a mental fortitude.
Dormammu could have used torture. Leave him half death for hours each time... After 100 years of that he would have had the world for sure. And endless being like dormammi actually being that impatient was a plot hole so that strange could win. That being said. Is cool to see a movie ending like that
Apparently he was initially supposed to stay in the loop for 10,000 years, but it was revised to 10 and then it was revised to about 30-40 years. During which time, he trained and became more powerful.
Someone had asked me a question I believe and then deleted the post, but I will try to answer it anyway! Hopefully you see it! In the comics, Dormammu felt the weakening of the Ancient One (similar to how Thanos did) and threatened to invade earth. The Ancient One found out and told Strange to face him in battle. The difference is that in the comics, he meets a woman named Clea. Basically Clea was afraid that if Dormammu lost then the dark dimension would be vulnerable to attack and so she tried to stop the duel. Long story short, they fought anyway and although Dormammu was more powerful, he lost enough energy so that the dark dimension was invaded by some baddies called the Mindless Ones (if i remember correctly). Strange sent Dormammu some of his power and Dormammu was able to put the barrier back up and save the Dark Dimension. After this Dormammu felt that he should spare Strange and Earth. As for how Strange got so powerful, basically in the comics he is WAY more powerful because he had way more time training with the Ancient One and was Sorcerer Supreme longer than shown in the movies. He also borrows power from other gods or arch-whatevers in some comics and so he fluctuates in power more. As for the MCU, he has been nerfed along with so many others, namely the Hulk. Strange is still my favorite though :)
The ancient one did say Strange was meant to be the best of them (sorcerers); Conversely, in this multiverse, he could've been also the worst one in an alternate reality.
"Dormammu ive come to bargain" * dies a thousand times * "what is it you want" "have you heard of this game called raid shadow legends?" "let me be free"
"You will never win" "No... But I can lose again and again and again and again forever. That makes you my prisoner" Such an underrated and powerful quote. Masterpiece
Just the fact that Strange managed to force Dormammu to FORFEIT is absolutely hysterical. It's easily the unintentionally funniest final battle I've ever seen.
This is why this Doctor Strange is one of my favorite avengers movies. This is such a creative climax and so different from the typical big boss battle
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"Are we there yet?" *dad kicks you out on the highway at 60mph* *poof* "Are we there yet?" *crashes the car in a desperate suicide* *poof* "Are we there yet?"
Dr Strange won by making his opponent rage quit in real life. One of the best wins ever. Reminds me of Star Trek Next Generation when Data made this one guy rage quit when he could not beat him by simply playing for a draw until the guy got mad. Sometimes the best way to win is to just not lose.
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 Look up bits of it here on youtube, or if you have a streaming service watch it there if it's available. Other than being futuristic fantasy, they are not similar at all.
The more Dr. Strange gets killed, the more used to it he becomes. I'd imagine there are some loops where Dormammu doesn't kill him just to see what happens. I think I'd want to see several hours of Dormammu slowly losing its sanity.
How would Dr Strange not have the time stone? All 6 stones were put back where they were supposed to be so in a technical sense, Strange would get the time stone again.
Yes but those stones will still be eventually destroy from thanos because OG thanos still eventually obtains them the whole reason they had to travel back to get said stones in the first place.
Some say Strange was in the time loop for years, honing his skills, fighting Dormamu constantly This is why in later films he’s much more advanced than he was in this one. Because on Earth only a few minuets past while he was really in the time loop developing his powers
It wasn't just Stephen's intelligence that won this fight out, it was spinning the context of the situation. I highly doubt Dormammu would've even considered the idea of not murdering him forever had he not said "That makes you my prisoner." Flipping the context of the situation makes Dormammu feel like he's not in control, and a being that huge and all-powerful not being in control is far worse than any fate he could've inflicted on Doc. Taking control away from one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse stings its ego, just like the loss of his hands; hands being a parable for control. Stephen knew the best way to get under Dormammu's metaphysical skin was the same way to get under his own skin, because he knows the failings of ego. This of course could be common knowledge, or it could be a simple misinterpretation.
No I think you're absolutely right here. Strange could have framed the situation in such a way to say that he was willing to just die over and over and over and be dormammu's plaything for eternity, but he didn't. He let it be known that it was his idea, his decision, and his action that shaped the situation and made it the way it was. Strange was in control, and had control of the entire thing. He was the only one that could break it, because he was the one that created it. Taking the focus of the context away from the fact that dormammu could kill strange in an infinite number of ways and infinite number of times if you chose to and putting the focus on the fact that this is something that strange did to dormammu was actually a genius psychological move.
I also like that Strange waited until Dormammu was willing to listen to the terms of the bargain. Strange had to die thousands or millions of times before Dormammu's ego to shrink enough for him to ask "what is it that you want?"
i think he also was trying to distract dormammu from the fact that the loop seemingly repeated at the point of dr strange's death. so if he didn't kill him "time" would keep moving forward or rather dormammu in his own dimension could do whatever he pleased. all he'd have to do is find a way to incapacitate dr strange without killing him.
@@lordvoldemort5725 technically he died twice in endgame Present thanos got beheaded by thor 2014 Thanos who time travelled to 2023 got snapped by Tony
I love that it's never specified how long Strange spent in this time loop. Since time is relative, while mere minutes passed on Earth, he could've been in this loop for several millennia. Mastering the mystic arts defending himself and fighting Dormammu, learning everything there is to learn about the Dark Dimension. He went in a novice and came out a Sorcerer Supreme, using the Time Stone to its fullest potential.
like someone said doe..dormammu is a child..he could of made strange's torture longer rather than instant death so he suffered and gave up himself..but hes not used to losing and rage quit cause he is flawed...he is not perfect
@@razkable I am sure he did torture him, but unlike in actual torture, this time the torturer did not have any power over when it ends. In actual torture, the torturer can just give up or take a break if he wants to. Dormammu can't, he is forced to do this for all eternity until the torturer becomes the tortured one.
This tactic is classic comic-book Dr. Strange. He routinely faces threats more powerful than him, but he wins due to his brilliant insights into the nature of his foes.
From what I understand, this is how it works: Strange still ages like normal in the time loop. But every time the loop resets, he physically goes back to the time when the loop started, but retains all the memories and experience he experienced in the loop. So if he was 37 (just throwing out a number), and he experiences this time loop for 200 years (again, just a number), he still comes out of the fight with a 37 year old body, but has an additional 200 years of experience and knowledge. Best way I can put it is, like another comment stated, its the equivalent of saving before a boss in a video game. You retain all the experiences and knowledge acquired each time you fight, but nothing physically changes about your character each time you reset.
This is also why he gets a significant increase in skill and power despite the short amount of time between this movie and Infinity War. Mans probably got bored and decided to have a whole training arc while doing this. Same thing happened when he used the time stone to look into the future, since it was confirmed he wasn’t just watching events but actually living them. Dudes mentally old, and he has all the experience and mystic power comes with it.
imagine how many times this took in order to make an ancient eldritch monster admit defeat out of pure exasperation. His patience is above a gods. Watching 14 million timelines to find the winning one definitely seems like something he can pull off.
@Bubbly Dragon That's also the reason he became the most powerful Sorcerer Supreme ever. He literally had over 1000 years of extreme non-stop combat training against an eldritch monster.
Dormammu is thousand if not, millions of years old. For dormammu to rage quit like that, the time loop would've been at least thousands of years. Unless Dormammu is just a very impatient baby which I doubt.
Well, he does realize very quickly that he doesn't have much choice. Once he knows that the time loop is unbreakable, he might as well hear what Strange wants.
@@Kalah_ True, but the scene was probably also short for dramatic effect. Watching even thirty minutes of dying over and over again would take away from the scene.
Rey'Na Riggans kinda hard to imagine Dormammu would just wait for strange to starve, although who knows how many things he tried in the thousands of replays, so it's possible
But because of those deaths, it's the reason why Dr. Strange is considered the most powerful wizard that has ever existed. He could have spent hundreds, maybe thousands, of years in there gaining experience with each death. It's the reason why the Ancient One gave Banner the timestone willingly.
@@charlottiiiiiiiiii Time and Space are the fundamentals of every universe, so it'd make sense they would be the most powerful. They are the when and where and without them there would be nothing.
The power stone is the most powerful. It contains every bit of power that ever has does or will exist in the universe by definition it is the most powerful infinity stone
Something that I feel goes underacknowledged with this scene is that Strange was not just a hotshot brain surgeon at the start of the movie. He explicitly ducked surgeries he didn't think he'd be able to do so he could preserve his reputation and his ego. Then we get to this scene. He's facing an enemy he can never hope to actually beat in a fight. All he can do is spend an indefinite amount of time, which turns out to be *millennia* of eating L after L and he does it without his conviction wavering even once.
@@Jamplays592 he wouldn't have been able to study a very high % of ''all that ever was is or will be'' but what he definitely would have accomplished is ''way more than humans usually get to'' the Ancient One feared and respected the Infinity Stone as an Infinity Stone. She did not WANT to draw attention to the Earth from the likes of ARISHEM THE JUDGE or THANOS THE MAD TITAN. She -contented herself- with drawing on the Dark Dimension to gain more power and longevity to live oh approximately we may assume some 600 years or so. Probably not a lot longer than Nicolas Flamel. I think it would be more explicitly clear if we were talking about a thousands of years old Wizard vs a hundreds of years old Wizard. I could maybe see some 2-6,000 years at the very outside, but the Ancient One is almost definitely absolutely NOT as old as 100,000 years, and is absolutely much, much, younger than a Dinosaur. Doctor Steven Strange, through using the Time Stone, gets to cheat age quite a bit here. He gets the opportunity to steal many extra hours to cram freshening up his post-calculus mathematics, which he likely then uses to more seriously approach planning the rest of his Stone-uses to get more Time while trying to not break Time itself. in short, he catches up to centuries of experience, though he's still a human. he becomes the equivalent of Da Newton, Vinci, Einstein, Feynman, Hawking and more in one. I would say that before the physical age of 60, he's reached a mental age of well over 200, maybe 300, and remember that we've never actually seen a human at 150. So a 200 year EXP human being would be an impressive phenomenon. but it would still only be something like ''what if Anakin Skywalker's 20,000 midichlorian count was considered normal'' very, very high level feats become possible, but he still has clear limits and isn't a god, and beings like Arishem and Dormammu will always outrank Steven unless he's bearing one of the incredibly important Items of Power in the Universe like one of the Infinity Stones. But he's reached far past what was ever expected of an Earth Human. I would place bets that the Elders of the Universe (the Collector and the Gamemaster) would more often than not, without the Infinity Stones, and without much effort, usually have the capacity to beat a Master of the Mystic Arts at most things. Elders lose to people like Galactus but to a lot of other people. the big debuff to the Elders is only their pride and recklessness, but their power level and knowledge level is just fine, so the two that have the right attitude to become dangerous, are definitely dangerous. Strange has transcended the previous human limits, but he would still be wise to not smart mouth off to the Gamemaster if he can help it. Strange then gets his hands on some really Dark Magic. Cthon is actually the kind of guy that outranks Dormammu in these hierarchies. The Ancient One drew on Dormammu to get cursed. Strange drew on Cthon. if he somehow (way, way, way without deserving it) survives his new cursed status, he's going to be actually at the kind of tier above the previous Ancient One that Darth Sidious had hoped for Darth Vader to be more powerful than Yoda. Post-Darkhold Doctor Strange has a much better chance at being a clear cut above the Elders of the Universe, because he's now challenged entities like Death herself, and Master Order and Lord Chaos. at this point the Cosmic Council is super done with Steven's ass and they'll be clamoring for the Living Tribunal to judge the hell out of him.
Fun fact: A line was cut from the movie with strange saying “we’ve done this a thousand times” which was meant to explain just how long this went on but was ultimately unnecessary.
One of the best MCU scenes. Ol Strange definitely lived up to the title of hero. Willingly going in and knowing you could end up in that loop forever is ballsy. His life was worth giving for everyone else’s.
That is not possible as dormamu is not connected to time he remember strange coming again and again but Thanos forget everything as soon as time start again from same point everything would be new for thanos
That's literally the plot of the first Dark Souls. The Chosen Undead isn't special, he's just the one guy who can throw himself at the big bad problem over and over and over, rising from death to try again and again and again, until eventually it works. There's also a fan theory that that's how the Triforce of Courage works, by allowing Link to die and try again with his memories intact but everybody else is none-the-wiser.
Wanda, Strange both are central characters now, and two of the best and most powerful ones, while Stark is dead, who had been the most important character for a long time. But for me, the top character will always be Spider-Man. He is such a nice guy, must be the same in his regular life too, even though I don't know him. I wish I knew who he was.
@@instantdominator2121 Yes, Really. My favourite, though, is Dr Strange. This is because of not only his magical power, his super-athletic abilities. For example, battle with Karl Mordo on Strange Movies.
Most movies, you sometimes wonder how the superhero will beat the villain and they do it in unrealistic ways. Not here, this is one of the best boss fights of all time
The movie that taught/reminded you to save before a boss fight
So true! ❤️
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Otto, ive come to bargain
Perfect analogy!
I always do that anyway. And whenever I complete a particularly hard part of the game. And before I turn the game off.
I love how confident Strange becomes once he realizes it works
He didn't became a doctor from nothing I guess
Reminds me when I was nervous getting surgery the doctor I was with said this to me “Nervous? That’s natural. The important thing is that I am not.” Instantly calmed the nerves and gotta give him respect it’s a very good saying haha. I talked with him after and it’s apparently very common.
@@ConnerPlays360 Absolutely common. It's not something you can practice and you have zero control over. You are putting your life in another persons hands. It's only natural to be scared. The good news is that surgeons are trained professionals that have a lot of experience. To them their work is as common as changing a tire on a car.
nah, he's just arrogrant
@@barry8871 explain
Dr Strange is the only super hero that made an enemy rage quit. Gotta love it!
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Giant Dad?????
Definitely
Batman did that too with Darkseid
Fantastic
I love the way he won in this movie. It doesn't feel cheap because he can feel every single death and just enduring it with sheer will.
10/10
A trenchant observation
Actually it is cheap its literally just reloading quicksaves
@@stlslimeboy9933 It is cheap as a tactic, sure, but as a movie plot it's not cheap. Dormammu was established to be nigh-unstoppable if he ever were to directly invade. But he was also established to be outside of time (ie, vulnerable to it), and the time stone/eye was established to be able to cause time loops. Strange simply connected the dots and had the willpower to go through this crazy gambit as a last resort, and as a plot point it becomes a clever subversion of the "big final fight with cgi monster" trope. That's why people enjoy this scene so much. It's funny, it's clever, and it was rather novel for a final "fight".
I wish they did this in AoT, annoying Eren until he gave up.
@stlslimeboy9933
At any point he can stop loading in if it becomes to stressful
Like if he gets ripped apart slowly over the course of 89,000,000 millennia.
“No, I’ve come to bargain.”
“What do you want?”
“Honestly, I’ve died so many times, I forgot what the bargain was”
Dormamu: *ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?!?
@@leonides1527 "Dormamu, FYI, I totally forgot what we were talking about. My bad."
im p sure everything becomes rewinded once he dies, even his memory so it wont seem as eternal to him
@@justinmanangan9968 Nope, the way Strange talks throughout the whole time clearly indicates that he's aware all the time.
@@FalconWindblader Jeez, what a powerful sorcerer, that determination is immense.
I'm a simple man. I see Dormammu, I come to bargain
Ray Banner same
@@doctorstrange2768
My clone, I have come to bargain.
Doctor Strange fancy meeting you again. I’ve come to bargain with you as I have been expecting you
Both Doctor Stranges are you ready to face Nightmare
Underrated
“Pain’s an old friend” Such weight behind that
One of my favorite MCU lines
Especially when you learn that Strange is actually well-acquainted with pain long before his accident. It's said in a deleted scene that he became a doctor out of guilt over not being able to save his sister from drowning, hence his crippling fear of failure.
strange is my favorite character in MCU because he mentally is never defeated
Makes the scene even better when you hear the quivering in his voice when he says it.
After the Episode 4 of the What if? show.... the weight is even bigger.
It may not sound like much but the fact that Dormammu instantly realized something was not right shows how otherworldly powerful he is.
Not only that, but that moment of confusion might well have been what let Strange win. I'm not sure if he actually remembers dying and coming back (depending on how exactly the Time Stone-based spell works), so he might not even know if the loop is working until Dormammu expresses confusion about seeing the guy he just atomized leap back onto the scene and announce his intent to bargain (again). Once Strange sees Dormammu's confused reaction, he knows that his plan is working and all he has to do now is keep dying until Dormammu finally cracks and listens to his bargain.
Notice how his first "revival" has him say "Dormammu, I've come to bargain!" in the same tone as he did before, and then subsequent repeats have him expressing varying levels of smugness, exasperation, and/or confidence? After the first loop completes itself, he KNOWS that Dormammu is trapped, and so he's more relaxed (comparatively, since he's still getting obliterated who knows how many times).
@@mattshinde3614yep, he also spent countless years in that loop, studying magic and increasing his power, which is why he’s so much more powerful in later movies. This also happened in the comics, where he spent at least 5000 years trapped in the loop.
IT'S HYPER-FORTIFIED DEJA VU
BRO FR.@@Antyvas
@@mattshinde3614Also notice in the second time Dormammu made sure he killed Dr Strange without a big ass laser, he wanted to be certain he saw Dr Strange die and yet despite it all, it started again
Dr Strange is a true gamer because he knows how to save before a boss fight
Underrated comment lol
Doctor strange : this is requiem you will never reach the truth
OMG YES! XD
Literally a next level gaming god
YESS
Vision: I died twice in a movie
Strange: *that's cute*
You got me cracking over here 😂
He died 6,307,200,000 times if my math is correct. According to the original script he was in the Dark Dimension for 1000 years and would die after every time he said, “Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain,” which I estimate to about 5 seconds. Dr. Strange has a very strong will.
Well, it's hardly 4 and a half billion years
Cant strange just reverse time like thranos did on vision Nd bring people back to life or use reality stone Nd change the reality...... U can do it using one stone in a relic Nd they won't even have to die
When?
Steve Rogers: I can do this all day.
Stephen Strange: Amateur.
Steve Rogers: You're the first person I ever met who *got* it!
Time Stone: thats cute
I wonder how The Cloak of Levitation feel
@檸檬鈴鐺 more like "I can do this all my lives "
Lol
This is why strange is my favorite MCU character. He is already extremely strong but this is a whole other level. He simply suffers hundreds, thousands, if not tens of thousands of times with nothing but sheer resolve withstanding more torture than Dormammu could fathom to give. That is a hero, and after it all he doesn’t brag or look for praise he simply moves on because he knows that’s his job.
Not only that image being a game character, everyone is like level 80 -90 even if Dormamu fight only gives you few points of XP Strange is like level 1000 already
I read that he was in the time loop for an amount of time equivalent to about 1000 years. If we estimate an average time per loop of about 15 seconds (he has to fly down to the closer platform, say the line, and then gets obliterated after dormammu responds), then 1000 years means he died about 2 BILLION times. Crazy willpower.
I wouldn't call it suffering, all his deaths were quick
Honestly, this scene is truly a testament to Dr Strange's mental fortitude. No wonder his mind is still intact after experiencing 14,000,605 different alternate futures.
Especially since 14,000,604 of those alternate futures ended up with the universe blow'd up
He's very strict about his reality, the Time Stone along with his photogenic memory allowed him to basically be in control at all times since he knows everything that's ahead. Question is how far up ahead did he peer into?
@@natesoto1362 Good question.
Now that we will have Loki movie which will tell us more about the time keeper, and how does it work. I think somehow this is connected because of the time stone obviously
Let's also not forget that he is able to use an infinity stone with no ill effects
Dormammu : "you will never win"
Dr.strange : "neither will you lol"
Strange is Savage.😎
Lol
@Robert Aladin THAT is what cinched it. This weak little human was holding an omnipotent super being prisoner. For someone like dormammu, that had to be terrifying.
Why not just do something like this before the snap
They can forwver try to kill thanos
“No, but I can lose again and again and again. That makes you my prisoner” this is one of the best ‘battles’ in the MCU and you can’t change my mind
Yes, though he should have made and the time loop clear from the outset, it would have sped up the bargaining.
Not the best but the most creative.
@@agalgonzalez eh, only by like 2 attempts
By far
its not even a battle , its just dr strange begging dormammu to leave
Nobody:
Wanda: “Do not speak of sacrifice to me Stephen Strange” 🤡
Before her children, she already had a deep crack dealt to her mind at the loss of her brother.
Losing her country to Stark missiles and her humanity to Hydra experiments was like the loss of Stephen's hands.
The loss of her brother, while she had powers, was as bad as one Death by Dormammu.
The terrible powers of the Stones included that Strange never actually died. He rewrote history. He changed Reality actually. The Loop is a powerful cheat code. It took genius to think of using it that way and figure out how to make it happen correctly. But it worked.
Stephen never sacrificed himself. He just made Dormammu aware that Dormammu had nothing that could beat the Time Stone.
Wierd. Strange.
Wanda had to remember her brother being ripped away.
Her children of course are an entirely more controversial topic but still would have been a major wound.
I would argue they sacrificed a similar amount and both cheated the rules.
Kidnapping Chavez wasn't the worst thing and wasn't unforgivable. The problem was that she planned to kill her. That was a deal breaker.
@@darthparallax5207 funny because strange lost the love of his life and was never tempted to use the time stone to bring her back(616 strange obviously, not strange supreme or any other universe)
@@darthparallax5207 and fym strange never sacrificed himself, he got killed several times and spent millenniums fighting dormmamu remembering each and every moment he fought and time spent fighting dormmamu, not to mention he literally sacrificed himself in infinity war as well
@@darthparallax5207 yeah Thor went through the same shit. His mother died, his father died, his long-lost sister was evil, his friends died, many of his people died, Heimdall died, Loki died and then Jane died.
Did he become an asshole? No.
Did he choose to stay in asgard when he went back in time in avengers endgame? No. He decided to save his friends.
@@darthparallax5207 This scene literally takes place over years at least, and Strange is obviously aware of his previous deaths within the time loop. Strange died thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands of times in quite brutal fashion. Over, and over, and over again. Nobody, including Wanda, can even begin to quantify THIS kind of sacrifice.
Simultaneously, I object to the idea that besides killing Chavez, Wanda's plan was good somehow. She had no problem killing scores of people to get to Chavez, and even if she didn't kill the girl, she'd still have to kill the other timeline's Wanda. Her objectives in MoM are inherently murderous and evil.
In case you didn't know, this is the only film in the MCU to date that doesn't end in a final fight. Cause Strange literally annoys the villain until he gives up😭😂😅
Dormammu, I've come to bargain!
Dormammu, I've come to bargain!
Dormammu, I've come to bargain!
Dormammu, I've come to bargain!
Dormammu, I've come to bargain!
I still think this is one of the most underrated climaxes in the MCU. Lots of movies have ended with heroes fighting to save the world, but in this one the hero _suffers_ to save the world- not just withstanding pain until he can beat the villain, but voluntarily condemning himself to a potential _eternity_ of pain to prove that his will is stronger than that of the interdimensional demon! "Pain's an old friend" has to be one of the most badass boasts in the entire franchise, and Strange just delivers it so _calmly._
Not necessarily to prove his will is stronger, but to save everyone on Earth. True selflessness
This is Strange thinking beyond himself for the first time, after what the Ancient One taught him, he understood the whole picture.
I truly loved this movie
This and 'The Eternal' are the best MCU endings imo. Because they focus more on characters overcoming their shortcomings and are more intimate than the big fights.
This is actually a good but extreme training too, he is no longer afraid of death and have faster reaction time after killed many times, and there's a lot more benefit from these extreme method
Was literally just thinking about this haha. Thanks for being the one to say it cause dude literally gets bodied so much and I felt awful for him lmao… like shit guys he died so violently so many times lol
I read somewhere that in the comics, Strange spent what seemed liked Centuries or so with Dormammu in this moment, in that time he learned more and more about the mystic arts as he kept the memory of each of his deaths and encounters/convos with Dormammu. At the end, Domammu relented and left, leaving Strange to be super amped afterwards. Centuries of training that only passed in a moment. Not aging and dying over and over
Not to mention the experience he gained in the 14 million outcomes during Infinity War, that had to have been millions of years of learning and training to find the exact series of events to defeat Thanos. Some people think it was Iron Man who defeated Thanos but in reality it was Dr. Strange. Thanos said Strange never used his greatest weapon but he was wrong, Strange knew he had already set up the timeline of his defeat. He's by far the most powerful in the MCU for sure.
They should've made a point about that, or at least something close to that, here. It feels like Dormammu isn't much of a supreme being with so little resilience... Also, if Strange is able to take it, the loop has to become a progressive learning experience or something to make sense for the human psyche (not that he's just any human, but still), as you mentioned.
@@Steambull1 I'm pretty sure they'll address it in the upcoming Dr.Strange movie
Dude he was farming XD
@Coconut Pal he's fighting one of the most powerful being, he must have learned a lot of things about his power
The fact that this also counts as a training montage for Strange to master magic
For all we know, this could have gone on for a thousand years since time is irrelevant to Dormammu. It’s definitely telling that Dr. Strange went from being an amateur to the most powerful sorcerer in the universe after this scene
I can't stress enough how smart this move was on Strange's part. Not only does it give him the win in a theoretically no-win scenario, it also serves as a really long, really violent training montage where he gets to hone his skills in non-stop combat against an eldritch deity for a thousand years in the span of a couple of moments in real time.
It does make the huge power spike he has between Doctor Strange and Thor/Infinity War a lot more believable.
This is exactly what I use to tell ppl when they try to point out Dr strange “inconsistent” power adquisición in the mcu.
Wow, I never really thought of that. So it's kinda like the hyberbolic time chamber.
@@bentonthompson1283 You mean the hypersonic lion tamer?
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human THAT ONE WAS ON PURPOSE!
Captain America: I can do this all day..
Dr. Strange: hold my necklace...
Dr Strange: actually giving my necklace I need that
*DORMAMMU*
@@whip1118 how to do that Bold?
@@rhenzsigua7625 use * on both start and end of the sentence
@@bait5257 *Thanks bro*
I love dormammu’s expression the first time doctor strange comes back, he’s completely baffled by the deja vú of the moment and the facial expression is hilarious
What about when it happens a second time? You've...what is happening?!?!
If I say, that Cumberbatch(guy who plays as Dr.Strange) play as Dormammu as well in the movie.
I see a future where characters like Dormammu don’t look so cartoonish and actually look more titanish and terrifying
@@dannyd1125 I didn't like this Dormammu too. He visual could had ruined that scene
@@davidchism6081 I know. If it weren’t for the fact that he was so cosmic, I can see him just screaming is line in disbelief and rage, “ What is HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!?!?!?”
Can we talk about how beautiful Dormammu’s design is? It’s awesome how they made him look like his classic design without making it look silly
Just more reason to feel confident that the MCU will get Galactus right.
@@nicksorenson940In the MCU’s current state? Hell naw
@@amarionm5675not really
Nope, he looks silly af here
@@wallacesousuke1433 hell no, wtf
Ive come to die
You've come to barga- wait what ?
Senior Ricketts damn😂😂
Hahahha
Senior Ricketts looney toons childish humor. I love it.
Oh no :D
@Wparker6804 Yesn't
In reality, all of Cumberbatch’s takes for this line were so good that they changed the script to include them all.
Tgat makes me wonder a bit
Wouldn't surprise me if they did.
"Dormammu, I'm come to bargain"- the very first take
LOL
@@franzpanz it’s so obviously a joke…
Dr. Strange defeats his opponents by annoying the crap out of them forever.
😂
Basically trolling
I mean, it's more that Strange had the wits to realize he could create Dormammu's personal hell, and then had the resolve to pay the price to himself for however long it took.
My suspicion is that because he exist outside of time, Dormammu finds being trapped in a time loop, subjected to time, to be agonizing.
Video game griefing.
Also expertly played by the 4th doctor.
that must be why marvel fans find him so relatable
0:21 - I love that Strange double checks the time loop before he speaks.
Cap: "I could do this all day"
Doctor Strange: "I could bargain forever"
Proceed to trap captain america in endless loop of bargaining offer, basically like youtube but the adds is the content
Yes
How would he know when there would be a time loop? And when to restart?
@@tiestokygoericprydz3963 he created it with the help of time stone...
@@gokulvijayakumar10 but then how would he know when he would die and restart?
Imagine how much Strange upgraded his skills going through this over and over. Complete mastery of defensive spells. Experimentation with spells not even written yet. The longer Dormammu keeps this up, the stronger and more powerful Strange would get.
The ultimate training session
The loop continued for a thousand years, I think. Each bargain attempt lasted approximately less than 2-5 minutes.
Edit: He mastered "infinitesimal maneuver", making each and every action he makes very efficient, effective, and precise to a ridiculous degree.
@@user-iu4fm5rb8i 525,600 mins per year. 3 mins per encounter. 1000 years.
That's 175,200,000 encounters. With only the final encounter not resulting in a brutal death...
@@GregJoshuaW Are the occasional leap-years included in the calculation?
@@user-iu4fm5rb8i LOL!!
Steve: I can do this all day
Dr. Strange: I can do this forever...
nadnaps03 this comment deserve thousands likes tho 😂
Copy
Steve: Yeah i know, i know
@@generaljd1581 A comment taken from another video.
"I have been across the entire galaxy, visited everything there is to visit and have not found a person who cares.
FACTS
Dr. Strange. The only hero who won by annoying the villain to the point where they just give up.
*After 900000 times dying*
Strange: “Bargain iv come to Dormammu”
Actually yes this could happen as tongue can slip
Wonder if dormammu will laugh at this
I laugh so hard🤣🤣
Bargin to Dormammu i've come!
Underrated
this is how yoda became yoda
Dormammu: "I swear if I hear "I've come to bargain" one more time."
Doctor Strange: *Smirks*
@@KronosOGAccount It's like Navi from Legend of Zelda. It's repetitious and annoying to listen to.
Strange: what are you gonna do, kill me?
@@KronosOGAccount lmao same!
Doctor Strange: DORMAMMU!!!
Dormammu: Motherfu-
"Let me guess... You'll kill me? Eventually there will be a line."
"Pain is an old friend"
- A line from a man you're likely not to win against
-A line from a man ready to die over and over again to save his world
You can win against him if you use M A T H
@@MariOmor1 Dr strange : laughing in the corner because of did not trying to kill parker in NWH and now he is suffering
When I say friend.
Unless you're spider man
This scene is so beautiful. Dormammu isn't a random villain, it is the representation of the fear of humanity to death and suffering. Kaecilius wanted it to come to earth because he couldn't stand what time gives: end for life, end for things, "time is an insult".
Strange realize time is what gives life a meaning. Loving life, living for something bigger than you. Strange have come to bargain with himself, and, in name of humanity, with the void that mankind has.
😂
Thanos: I died twice
Loki: I died nine times
Doctor Strange: *Hold my Bargain*
Haha lol
Bargaining and dying goes brrrrrrrrrr
Deadpool be like am I a joke to u ?
@Eeya they died once...
@Eeya Explain what you meant
😂😂😂
"Dormammu, I've come to die."
"No, you've come to barga....wait whaaat?"
HAHAHAGA
🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the funny thing is, this is kinda in character for strange...and considering the directors admitted he spent years dying to dormammu...he probably did this at least once
The Bugs Bunny trick, works everytime
"I've come to bargain"
"what do you want"
"to bargain"
Bustin lol he should’ve said that to make Dormammu even more mad but after that he probably wouldn’t even listen to strange anymore so idek if that would have been a wise decision too.
Dormammu: And for that reason, I'm out
Lol
“What do you want” “well damn it’s been centuries I’ve kind of forgot at this point... where are we?”
I think Dormammu woulda lost his mind if strange said that 😂
honestly this is one of the best written moments in the MCU. the hero had lost, earth was done, the goose was cooked, and the extremely underpowered hero walks up to a literal god from another dimension and uses his brain and a single powerful asset to outwit the god and render him incapacitated, then grits and bears for an unknown amount of unimaginable suffering. he was prepared to spend literally eternity suffering for all of humanity to continue prospering. all just for a bit of leverage he wasnt sure he'd ever get. this is why, to me, dr strange has the biggest balls of all the avengers. with iron man and cap as runners up.
"Pain is an old friend." Dr. Strange is underappreciated in the Marvel Universe.
I'd love another strange movie but with more marvel characters and not his niche universe
@@klobe9 ikr
Your world is now ...
What is this illusion?
Yup
I'm hoping that will change with Multiverse of Madness.
The true meaning of this scene is how far Strange has come. He started as an arrogant neurosurgeon who only cared for himself and his work, and now e is sacrificing himself over and over again to keep the leader of the dark dimension from taking over earth.
Just like tony did
Duhhhhh
@@kamil198916 LOL u idiots he is not worthy at all he just some magician with an infinity stone thor is a god lol he can break ot of his time loop
@Roger Loe NO wAY
The simplest and most significant lesson of all - it's not about you.
The best thing about this is that we don't actually know how much time he spent trapped with Dormammu in the loop. It could've been minutes or it could've been centuries(Since he was using the Time stone power, he could've spent centuries in the loop and still come back to Earth where it only passed a few minutes). We don't know for sure and that makes his determination so much more amazing.
I really doubt it'd just be a few years when he's up against a cosmic being like Dormammu. For Dormammu, he probably just didn't like being trapped for a short time to him, but that short time could have been easily hundreds - thousands of years.
@@SoakieCat u ok? They didn't show it but it was literally thousands years. He must have done everything to make strange give up.
@@SoakieCat How does that make him win? He's still trapped.
@@SoakieCat If he's stuck torturing him for forever how is he free?
Pretty sure strange died over 10 thousand times
I love how the stones are just above Dormammu in power enough to get the edge on him, but he’s powerful enough to catch onto its power within a short amount of time
"Dormammu, I've come to bargain." With how many times he had to have heard that, you know that as an added bonus, that phrase will be haunting Dormammu for all eternity. Every time some says his name, he will automatically hear in his head, "...I've come to bargain."
Seriously, this is one of my favorite twists in any movie I've ever seen; the hero doesn't win through wits or power, but instead by losing over and over again.
Good message but strange had the upper hand once he had Dormmamu in the loop, he was his prisoner as strange said so he wasn’t really losing. He did win by patience and willpower though.
TRULY,TRULY ALL ABSOLUTELY BEYOND UNIMAGINABLY UNIMAGINABLE TRANSCENDENT TRANSCENDENTAL BOUNDLESSNESS LEVELS OF AMAZINGLY AMAZING AMAZINGNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kaecilius: *says Dormammu's name*
Dormammu: *starts having flashbacks*
Cringe
He lost in order to gain
This is probably the most satisfying MCU film ending. I loved that he beat him with his intellect and just annoyed him into submission! After all of the world ending fights THIS was refreshing.
Makes sense, though. Could you imagine them _trying_ to do it the old-fashioned way?
Not only intellect, but mental power also. He did this time and time again, dying everytime, and I believe he also feels the pain. But still willing to do this time and time again. What a mental fortitude.
Dormammu could have used torture. Leave him half death for hours each time... After 100 years of that he would have had the world for sure. And endless being like dormammi actually being that impatient was a plot hole so that strange could win. That being said. Is cool to see a movie ending like that
Big favts
Agreed it’s the dr Steven strange way to win with a mix of sorcerer strange in there
The movie doesn’t really tell you how long they were in a time loop. They could have been in one for millions of years.
I think that's how strange honed his powers. He came out much stronger
Apparently he was initially supposed to stay in the loop for 10,000 years, but it was revised to 10 and then it was revised to about 30-40 years. During which time, he trained and became more powerful.
Someone had asked me a question I believe and then deleted the post, but I will try to answer it anyway! Hopefully you see it! In the comics, Dormammu felt the weakening of the Ancient One (similar to how Thanos did) and threatened to invade earth. The Ancient One found out and told Strange to face him in battle. The difference is that in the comics, he meets a woman named Clea. Basically Clea was afraid that if Dormammu lost then the dark dimension would be vulnerable to attack and so she tried to stop the duel. Long story short, they fought anyway and although Dormammu was more powerful, he lost enough energy so that the dark dimension was invaded by some baddies called the Mindless Ones (if i remember correctly). Strange sent Dormammu some of his power and Dormammu was able to put the barrier back up and save the Dark Dimension. After this Dormammu felt that he should spare Strange and Earth. As for how Strange got so powerful, basically in the comics he is WAY more powerful because he had way more time training with the Ancient One and was Sorcerer Supreme longer than shown in the movies. He also borrows power from other gods or arch-whatevers in some comics and so he fluctuates in power more. As for the MCU, he has been nerfed along with so many others, namely the Hulk. Strange is still my favorite though :)
alex cruz that’s pretty cool, thanks for writing all that 😂
@@alexcruz3985 Thanks. I checked the comic after the movie because he is my favorite MCU character. I hope Clea will be introduced properly in MCU.
This is one of my favourite scenes in the MCU. I like it when a hero is willing to sacrifice themselves to save others
😂
More than that he didn't just sacrifice he suffered to protect others
the "What if.." episode truly did a lot of justice to his true power. I mean the guy is capable of tearing apart his own reality all on his own.
I'm still recovering from that episode... I mean shit, he literally damned his whole universe and caused it's dismemberment.
Yeah, I also appreciate how he noticed the watcher, when previously all he did was be a glorified narrator and part of the background.
The ancient one did say Strange was meant to be the best of them (sorcerers);
Conversely, in this multiverse, he could've been also the worst one in an alternate reality.
I cant help but wonder if MCU version of Dormammu is a ver of Strange who ended up a power mad monster beyond time
@Axel42 yea i got you bro.
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"Dormammu ive come to bargain"
* dies a thousand times *
"what is it you want"
"have you heard of this game called raid shadow legends?"
"let me be free"
the true the bargain takes 1000 years
ads.
lmao
Nope. He died 7889400000 times😂
You just made me laugh loudly.
"You will never win"
"No... But I can lose again and again and again and again forever. That makes you my prisoner"
Such an underrated and powerful quote. Masterpiece
Personally if I was Doctor Strange I would replace the word prisoner to Bitch.
Hmmm. I remember sans saying something like that in his final move
Arfi J why?
Not anymore penfold.....
@Geralt OOF Rivia he did torture him but we only had a glimpse of that, so....
Just the fact that Strange managed to force Dormammu to FORFEIT is absolutely hysterical. It's easily the unintentionally funniest final battle I've ever seen.
"I'm not trapped in here with you! You're trapped in here with ME!"
Rorschach!
LMAO! awesome
Nice avatar, Dervish.
Wait, that's from another movie.
That's what she said
Strange: Dormammu, I've come to die.
Dormammu: You've come to bargain.
Strange: What?
Dormammu: What?
@@adbulamadim2889i've seen way worse
Ad Bulamadım What?
what? (2)
XD
Hey ive seen worse memes this is prety good
I just realized dormammu is a being made of 100% thanos' chin
underrated comment
Chinman
And he's gonna do the chin move!
Unavoidable chin move!!
UNAVOIDABLE!!! CHIN MOVE!!!!
@@Krowbatt lower evolution of chin chin
Thanchinos
This is why this Doctor Strange is one of my favorite avengers movies. This is such a creative climax and so different from the typical big boss battle
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KOREGA....REQUIEM..DA
Hackers in chat room be like xD
@@joebenzz dr.strange is the hacker
Dormammu: alt + f4
So he defeated him with a wizard's version of "are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
Awesome
This feels more like holding his hand a few centimeters from Dormamu's face going "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you...!"
"Are we there yet?"
*dad kicks you out on the highway at 60mph*
*poof*
"Are we there yet?"
*crashes the car in a desperate suicide*
*poof*
"Are we there yet?"
Dr Strange won by making his opponent rage quit in real life. One of the best wins ever. Reminds me of Star Trek Next Generation when Data made this one guy rage quit when he could not beat him by simply playing for a draw until the guy got mad. Sometimes the best way to win is to just not lose.
@@randymotter51 whats star trek?? sounds like a rip off of star wars
@@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848 Look up bits of it here on youtube, or if you have a streaming service watch it there if it's available. Other than being futuristic fantasy, they are not similar at all.
Dormamu:”Did you die”
Strange”Sadly, yes... *BUT I LIVED* “
Dormamu: "Did you die"
Doctor Strange: Well yes, but actually no
Ice age reference
He is the wizard chuck Norris
@@EdardenGaming wait really? I thought it was Nemo 😂😂😂
Brow Ming 😂😂😂
The more Dr. Strange gets killed, the more used to it he becomes. I'd imagine there are some loops where Dormammu doesn't kill him just to see what happens. I think I'd want to see several hours of Dormammu slowly losing its sanity.
After endgame......
Dr strange: doesnt have time stone
Dormammu: Dr strange I've come to bargain
oh no
😆😆
Oh shit
How would Dr Strange not have the time stone? All 6 stones were put back where they were supposed to be so in a technical sense, Strange would get the time stone again.
Yes but those stones will still be eventually destroy from thanos because OG thanos still eventually obtains them the whole reason they had to travel back to get said stones in the first place.
Captain America: I can do this all day
Dr Strange: Imma ends this man WHOLE career
"i can do this all eternity"
Ye
@@rob6082 only in Dormammu's world
Corny
@@GokuBlackEdits Since when
Some say Strange was in the time loop for years, honing his skills, fighting Dormamu constantly
This is why in later films he’s much more advanced than he was in this one. Because on Earth only a few minuets past while he was really in the time loop developing his powers
I've always thought that lol. He's essentially video game grinding to level up
It would have been cool if he actually ended up learning/becoming powerful enough to defeat him
@@Rawlingm he would be the strongest in the mcu which would negate all of infinity wats
Nope, Strange just resets every time, he doesn't remember anything from the previous loops
@@jemert96 i think he remembers by the way he talks
The fact that this scene could've gone on for over a trillion years is hilarious to me.
It wasn't just Stephen's intelligence that won this fight out, it was spinning the context of the situation. I highly doubt Dormammu would've even considered the idea of not murdering him forever had he not said "That makes you my prisoner."
Flipping the context of the situation makes Dormammu feel like he's not in control, and a being that huge and all-powerful not being in control is far worse than any fate he could've inflicted on Doc. Taking control away from one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse stings its ego, just like the loss of his hands; hands being a parable for control. Stephen knew the best way to get under Dormammu's metaphysical skin was the same way to get under his own skin, because he knows the failings of ego.
This of course could be common knowledge, or it could be a simple misinterpretation.
No I think you're absolutely right here. Strange could have framed the situation in such a way to say that he was willing to just die over and over and over and be dormammu's plaything for eternity, but he didn't. He let it be known that it was his idea, his decision, and his action that shaped the situation and made it the way it was. Strange was in control, and had control of the entire thing. He was the only one that could break it, because he was the one that created it. Taking the focus of the context away from the fact that dormammu could kill strange in an infinite number of ways and infinite number of times if you chose to and putting the focus on the fact that this is something that strange did to dormammu was actually a genius psychological move.
I also like that Strange waited until Dormammu was willing to listen to the terms of the bargain. Strange had to die thousands or millions of times before Dormammu's ego to shrink enough for him to ask "what is it that you want?"
Damn y’all have bigger explanations than marvel writers probably have 🤣 I guess stories sometimes write themselves 🤣
i think he also was trying to distract dormammu from the fact that the loop seemingly repeated at the point of dr strange's death. so if he didn't kill him "time" would keep moving forward or rather dormammu in his own dimension could do whatever he pleased. all he'd have to do is find a way to incapacitate dr strange without killing him.
Given the fact that Dormammu immediately begs Strange to stop right after he calls Dormammu his prisoner is further proof of your theory.
Thanos: I’ve died 2 times
Doctor Strange: Pathetic
Kenny McCormick: Amateurs
Amateur Hour
Captain America: I can do this all day.
Dr. Strange: I can do this _forever_
Thanos died once-
@@lordvoldemort5725 technically he died twice in endgame
Present thanos got beheaded by thor
2014 Thanos who time travelled to 2023 got snapped by Tony
"But you will suffer..."
"I miss the part where that's my problem"
xD That made me laugh! In fact it is your problem...you're the one suffering xD So ironic of Bully Maguire & so out of place funny ^^
@@cecilwhinter hey you you'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!!
@@gabrielkhan4.b882 ....you...are..a good boy. You must be in some kind of trouble.
Now dig on this
“Gonna cry?”
Coming back to this after Ekko going rewind time
I love that it's never specified how long Strange spent in this time loop. Since time is relative, while mere minutes passed on Earth, he could've been in this loop for several millennia. Mastering the mystic arts defending himself and fighting Dormammu, learning everything there is to learn about the Dark Dimension.
He went in a novice and came out a Sorcerer Supreme, using the Time Stone to its fullest potential.
Actually no time passed on earth because time was frozen on earth with the exception of a few people
I recall reading somewhere that he died millions of times here, mastering his magic in the process.
he was there for thousands of years
@@wikiuser92 Talk about power levelling...
Dr strange grinding some exp
Basically annoyed him into giving up the Earth. LOVE that strategy.
like someone said doe..dormammu is a child..he could of made strange's torture longer rather than instant death so he suffered and gave up himself..but hes not used to losing and rage quit cause he is flawed...he is not perfect
u nasty
@@razkable I am sure he did torture him, but unlike in actual torture, this time the torturer did not have any power over when it ends. In actual torture, the torturer can just give up or take a break if he wants to. Dormammu can't, he is forced to do this for all eternity until the torturer becomes the tortured one.
This tactic is classic comic-book Dr. Strange. He routinely faces threats more powerful than him, but he wins due to his brilliant insights into the nature of his foes.
@@danieldickson8591 This is the only reason why I loved reading Dr. Strange and Thor.
From what I understand, this is how it works:
Strange still ages like normal in the time loop. But every time the loop resets, he physically goes back to the time when the loop started, but retains all the memories and experience he experienced in the loop. So if he was 37 (just throwing out a number), and he experiences this time loop for 200 years (again, just a number), he still comes out of the fight with a 37 year old body, but has an additional 200 years of experience and knowledge.
Best way I can put it is, like another comment stated, its the equivalent of saving before a boss in a video game. You retain all the experiences and knowledge acquired each time you fight, but nothing physically changes about your character each time you reset.
This is true but also you are not getting a lot of experience and knowledge if you die in 1 minute every loop
@@Framlii he ought to be pretty knowledgeable on how much it hurts to be impaled by that point
@@Framlii ok but there’s at least 1000 loops
And then in Endgame he gains even more knowledge from 14,000,605 futures gahdamn
This is also why he gets a significant increase in skill and power despite the short amount of time between this movie and Infinity War. Mans probably got bored and decided to have a whole training arc while doing this. Same thing happened when he used the time stone to look into the future, since it was confirmed he wasn’t just watching events but actually living them. Dudes mentally old, and he has all the experience and mystic power comes with it.
His delivery of “pain’s an old friend” hurts me in the best way. Loved it
imagine how many times this took in order to make an ancient eldritch monster admit defeat out of pure exasperation. His patience is above a gods. Watching 14 million timelines to find the winning one definitely seems like something he can pull off.
Apparently it was something like 1000 years. So I mean, technically the oldest Avenger as of Endgame
@@Bubbly_Dragon Isn't Thor around 1,500 years old?
@TitanSlayer845 You know, despite being one of my favourites, I completely forgot Thor even existed.
@Bubbly Dragon That's also the reason he became the most powerful Sorcerer Supreme ever. He literally had over 1000 years of extreme non-stop combat training against an eldritch monster.
@@truonglamlo8073 Yeah, and now I remember him as the comedic relief
Dr Strange may have made a save point before the boss battle, but he still could not skip the pre-battle cutscene
because dr strange is bound to the movie script
Strange just made so many save files that the game broke.
900
I had this thought when I first watched this movie lol.
Or when you save just before you're about to die and there is nothing you can do
Dormammu is thousand if not, millions of years old. For dormammu to rage quit like that, the time loop would've been at least thousands of years. Unless Dormammu is just a very impatient baby which I doubt.
In the comics this scene is actually lasts centuries.
@@sexygreenpenguin342 Really? That makes this scene even more badass. Thanks for this information!
Well, he does realize very quickly that he doesn't have much choice. Once he knows that the time loop is unbreakable, he might as well hear what Strange wants.
@@Kalah_ True, but the scene was probably also short for dramatic effect. Watching even thirty minutes of dying over and over again would take away from the scene.
If it was for thousands of years, how did the Wong and everyone else stay the same age?
One of the greatest scenes of all time
,,Dormammu!, I've Come To Bargain"
The guy is willing to spend all eternity suffering painful deaths to protect the Earth..... if that’s not a true hero then what is?
Tbh they don't see all that painful... I can't imagine being instantly obliterated by a laser hurting too much
@@thugchihuahua yeah but he also got impaled, ripped apart, and for all we know, it could have for him, gone on for thousands of years
@@thugchihuahua he might've had his nuts ripped off for all we know lol
thugchihuahua these are just a few times, Strange probably died of hunger in one outcome, dehydration in another, etc
Rey'Na Riggans kinda hard to imagine Dormammu would just wait for strange to starve, although who knows how many things he tried in the thousands of replays, so it's possible
What really sucks was Dr. Strange felt the pain on all those deaths.
As he said himself, Pain's an old friend...
But because of those deaths, it's the reason why Dr. Strange is considered the most powerful wizard that has ever existed. He could have spent hundreds, maybe thousands, of years in there gaining experience with each death. It's the reason why the Ancient One gave Banner the timestone willingly.
Tbh he could've just set the loop just before he died after he found the average time of death...idiot LOL
@@changuage he probably wanted to give Dormammu a false sense of hope
@@evergreenthedog it is more dramatic that way
That's why I believe the time stone is the most powerful among all the infinity stones. Time is priceless, mysterious, and unbeatable.
space is the most powerful
Only in right hands
@@charlottiiiiiiiiii Time and Space are the fundamentals of every universe, so it'd make sense they would be the most powerful. They are the when and where and without them there would be nothing.
@@hard_drive.system Time and space is a creation like you and me, created by The Creator. The Creator exists and will exist forever.
The power stone is the most powerful. It contains every bit of power that ever has does or will exist in the universe by definition it is the most powerful infinity stone
Something that I feel goes underacknowledged with this scene is that Strange was not just a hotshot brain surgeon at the start of the movie. He explicitly ducked surgeries he didn't think he'd be able to do so he could preserve his reputation and his ego.
Then we get to this scene. He's facing an enemy he can never hope to actually beat in a fight. All he can do is spend an indefinite amount of time, which turns out to be *millennia* of eating L after L and he does it without his conviction wavering even once.
Imagine the relief Dr Strange must have felt when Dormammu finally accepted his bargain after possibly years of dying over and over again
Not just years. Centuries. In the comics he was there for centuries, studying every kind of magic and researching the dark dimension.
@@Jamplays592 he wouldn't have been able to study a very high % of ''all that ever was is or will be''
but what he definitely would have accomplished is ''way more than humans usually get to''
the Ancient One feared and respected the Infinity Stone as an Infinity Stone.
She did not WANT to draw attention to the Earth from the likes of ARISHEM THE JUDGE or THANOS THE MAD TITAN.
She -contented herself- with drawing on the Dark Dimension to gain more power and longevity to live oh approximately we may assume some 600 years or so. Probably not a lot longer than Nicolas Flamel. I think it would be more explicitly clear if we were talking about a thousands of years old Wizard vs a hundreds of years old Wizard.
I could maybe see some 2-6,000 years at the very outside, but the Ancient One is almost definitely absolutely NOT as old as 100,000 years, and is absolutely much, much, younger than a Dinosaur.
Doctor Steven Strange, through using the Time Stone, gets to cheat age quite a bit here. He gets the opportunity to steal many extra hours to cram freshening up his post-calculus mathematics, which he likely then uses to more seriously approach planning the rest of his Stone-uses to get more Time while trying to not break Time itself.
in short, he catches up to centuries of experience, though he's still a human. he becomes the equivalent of Da Newton, Vinci, Einstein, Feynman, Hawking and more in one.
I would say that before the physical age of 60, he's reached a mental age of well over 200, maybe 300, and remember that we've never actually seen a human at 150.
So a 200 year EXP human being would be an impressive phenomenon.
but it would still only be something like ''what if Anakin Skywalker's 20,000 midichlorian count was considered normal''
very, very high level feats become possible, but he still has clear limits and isn't a god, and beings like Arishem and Dormammu will always outrank Steven unless he's bearing one of the incredibly important Items of Power in the Universe like one of the Infinity Stones.
But he's reached far past what was ever expected of an Earth Human. I would place bets that the Elders of the Universe (the Collector and the Gamemaster) would more often than not, without the Infinity Stones, and without much effort, usually have the capacity to beat a Master of the Mystic Arts at most things. Elders lose to people like Galactus but to a lot of other people.
the big debuff to the Elders is only their pride and recklessness, but their power level and knowledge level is just fine, so the two that have the right attitude to become dangerous, are definitely dangerous. Strange has transcended the previous human limits, but he would still be wise to not smart mouth off to the Gamemaster if he can help it.
Strange then gets his hands on some really Dark Magic.
Cthon is actually the kind of guy that outranks Dormammu in these hierarchies. The Ancient One drew on Dormammu to get cursed.
Strange drew on Cthon.
if he somehow (way, way, way without deserving it) survives his new cursed status, he's going to be actually at the kind of tier above the previous Ancient One that Darth Sidious had hoped for Darth Vader to be more powerful than Yoda.
Post-Darkhold Doctor Strange has a much better chance at being a clear cut above the Elders of the Universe, because he's now challenged entities like Death herself, and Master Order and Lord Chaos.
at this point the Cosmic Council is super done with Steven's ass and they'll be clamoring for the Living Tribunal to judge the hell out of him.
Millennia.
its stated he is there for 5000 years. making him oldest avenger technically. and that is why he became stronger than any hero in just a few years
Well, he's in an atemporal loop. There's no way to measure time there. He's repeating the event again and again.
Fun fact: A line was cut from the movie with strange saying “we’ve done this a thousand times” which was meant to explain just how long this went on but was ultimately unnecessary.
I thought he did this for 1000 years
Brawl Stars-Datamine
I think you’re right
@@benjaminknotts745 I hate myself
@@yourmum2839 Same
I hate you too
jk
I thought they only did it a few times till they bargained.
when he said "i can lose again, and again, and again, and again forever"
i felt that
Me taking exams like
DIO .B same!
So do I 😞
Either way, he gets what he wants: prevent Dormammu’s assault on Earth
"That makes you my bitc- I mean prisoner"
It's like dying again and again with a pre boss unskippable cutscene.
_"Pain's an old friend"_
Okay who let the badass into the room?
No pajin, no gajin.
Benedict cumber batch being a brilliant actor
What?
Probably Kabuto and his edo tensei
Who’d stop him?
It shows that Dormammu is so powerful that he quickly realised he is in a loop
Exactly what i thought and thats a villian you need lol make thanos look like a rookie.
@Palash Person imagine if dormammu ever gets out, he’s ultimately more powerful than thanos and larger at that
Yet so weak he couldn't break the loop
That doesn't make sense because officially they were in that loop for 10 years
It wouldn't have worked otherwise.
One of the best MCU scenes. Ol Strange definitely lived up to the title of hero. Willingly going in and knowing you could end up in that loop forever is ballsy. His life was worth giving for everyone else’s.
😂
I like how after a couple of times, Strange says "Dormammu..." as if he is an old friend.
I can imagine how Dormammu feels if he meets Dr Strange again
@@loqmanredhwan9812 he might run away and not even try
@@climbam6714 In his mind be like, 'Ah shit here we go again'
@@loqmanredhwan9812 quite literally too lol
@@loqmanredhwan9812 more likely he would say fuck this shit im out
Alternate ending to infinity war:
Thanos, I've come to bargain
That would not be great because Thanos would not remember anything after strange dies,as dormamu is not connected to time that's why this trick work
That is not possible as dormamu is not connected to time he remember strange coming again and again but Thanos forget everything as soon as time start again from same point everything would be new for thanos
If Dormammu isn’t connected to time, then why didn’t he just leave the time loop :P
Because yes he is not connected with time but rules of infinity stones apply on every part of world human or monsters or gods
@@rajendrashah2903 because the movie would have end sooner.
Imagine a game where the boss just gives up and let's you move on after a certain amount of deaths
undertale but eventually sans gets tired of your shit
morrowind actually has something as a sort of evolution of that, the "final boss" refuses to fight you because he knows, eventually, he would loose.
That's literally the plot of the first Dark Souls. The Chosen Undead isn't special, he's just the one guy who can throw himself at the big bad problem over and over and over, rising from death to try again and again and again, until eventually it works.
There's also a fan theory that that's how the Triforce of Courage works, by allowing Link to die and try again with his memories intact but everybody else is none-the-wiser.
In undertale, if you lose to papyrus a certain amount of time, he will give up
sans
Dormamu: The teacher who won’t offer extra credit.
Strange: The rich kid who constantly retakes the course without studying.
Never underestimate the power of endless annoyance.
Especially against your parents/siblings
Kaitlyn Rose sit down girl
4chan is the one true master of this way...
*me at their door step after seeing their hilarious and effective "raids"* Teach me!
@@frog8367 I managed to get a top of the range pc in 2007 by endless annoyance
As an endlessly annoying person, I can attest the accuracy of this statement.
Strange: This is Requiem.
Dormammu: Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha- Wha-
Is that a JoJo reference?!
GET AWAY FROM MEEEE Σ(ﾟДﾟ)
I Giorno Giovana l, have come to Bargain
Yea but this is more like if Giorno was the one who kept dying over and over again
@@aayushcamp7097 but he came back as a way to frustate the boss
Strange: "Dormammu, i've come to bargain"
Dormammu: "what do you want"
Strange: "we've been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty"
Pretty sure that's a scamming policy lol
lmfao
Strange: “We’re gonna need you to tell us your social security number”
I can see that happening if Family Guy did a spoof of this movie!
@@MarkRMnich or south park
I love that this final boss battle is a mental metaphysic battle as befits the character.
This is like constantly getting your ass kicked in a boss fight but saving the exp. every single time loool
exploiting game mechanics
So Xenoverse?
Yep
No death no loss
Death no loss
How I leveled up my pokemon by getting defeated by the last Elite 4 member over and over again
Well, he did save his game right before the final boss battle.
Dr Strange Is so underappreciated. He’s arguably the MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER IN THE MCU
He will be even more important following MoM
his popularity has grown immensely since the 1st movie
Wanda, Strange both are central characters now, and two of the best and most powerful ones, while Stark is dead, who had been the most important character for a long time. But for me, the top character will always be Spider-Man. He is such a nice guy, must be the same in his regular life too, even though I don't know him. I wish I knew who he was.
@@instantdominator2121 Yes, Really. My favourite, though, is Dr Strange. This is because of not only his magical power, his super-athletic abilities. For example, battle with Karl Mordo on Strange Movies.
@@WonkelDee No! Lol
Thanos: I am inevitable...
Doctor Strange: And I've come to bargain...
*Chops his head off using portals*
Ahh. All the things that SHOULD have happened.
@@westmcgee9320 that is what HISHE is for.
@@westmcgee9320, he did bargain with Thanos...he only gives the time stone if Thanos would leave Stark alive...
@@BlasterXtremeG *Yus! Wong!*
Most movies, you sometimes wonder how the superhero will beat the villain and they do it in unrealistic ways. Not here, this is one of the best boss fights of all time
Knock knock
Who’s there
Door mom
Door mom who
Dormammu I’ve come to bargain
Link07 LMAO underrated comment
Goodness I love it XD
Finally, an original knock knock joke. Well done sir.
And then keep repeating it until they give in
Bah! Take your like! I hope you choke on it, you bloody punster!