I think the most appealing part about this case is the fact that it’s readily available and relatively cheap. The Ncase M1 is my all time favorite case however limited supply, $215 price tag after shipping, and a 3-5 week wait time for it to ship is a whole lot to ask for and has really been putting me off from buying it. Really waiting on a secondhand one.
I didn't buy this case for the size, I bought it because it looks nice and a full build inside leaves no useless empty space like on normal atx cases which is something I wanted. I built mine with a 280mm aio in the front and a hybrid GPU in the rear.
Al Havoc Airflow is still pretty decent with two 140's in front and a top 120 as intake. I use the 120 in the back and the PSU as exhaust, it runs reasonably well even with extreme overclocking of both CPU and GPU. The silent wings 3 are very quiet fans.
@@reecejones4658 I used the NZXT Kraken x62 (Tubes have to be on top) and an EVGA SC2 hybrid (the FTW Gaming card is too long to fit with the rad in front, the cards look very similar but the sc2 is is the only one that fits by a couple millimeters.)
I've got the h200i variant and I can confirm that 2.5 slot GPUs will fit although mine pretty much lays on the PSU shroud. In my case (pun intended) I've got a Zotac GTX 1070 Amp Extreme and an i5 8600k at 4.5GHz. I'm using an Corsair SF450 and the CPU is cooled by an Arctic Freezer 120. When playing Battlefield 1 I hit roughly 60-65°C on the CPU and about 73°C on my GPU. But keep in mind that I've turned the GPU fans down significantly to about 40%. So in my opinion thermals in general are pretty good but it depends on whether you have the front dust filter installed (I believe you forgot to mention that, as the other cases do not have filters, right?) Nice video and keep up the great work :)
@@thegangstadawg007 Which one do you have? First I thought my GPU was to long but it does fit if I remove the front fan mounting panel and then angle it in there. I've got about 2-3mm clearance. Pure luck that it fits
All option needed for itx cases. This case is modern version like Nano S. Some companys like Corsair or Fractal not upgrade there old itx cases least 5 year. Nano S and 250D need upgrade like glass panels least but they don't do it. This H200 is good case for 2019 standards. Market need more new itx and micro atx cube cases also.
@@qq312qq i feel 'awful' is a bit over the top. they're not that bad tbh but certainly outdated and an inferior option when tempered glass is now the standard. i wouldn't buy anything with an acrylic panel these days
Yep. It just seems to miss the mark. The Nano S is roughly the same size, but you can cram a full custom loop with dual 240mm rads or even a 280 + 240 in there and still has space for some 3.5" drives.
@@spiznas Agree completely. I love the looks, but I have the Nano S Mini and it is still the most versatile large mini itx in the market, which is unfortunate as I would love something a bit more premium and cool looking.
Love the case. I got the white one. 2 aio's cpu and gpu. The Kraken x52 in the front and the Corsair H75 on the gpu with the NZXT G12 bracket on a gtx 1080ti
Disagree, it's down to the builder to be creative and make the best use of the design. Anyone can shove a system into a ghost case, slide the fuking side on and hide everything.
I think NZXT tried to give the max big air cooler clearance, max AIO clearance, max PSU clearance and max graphics card length to try and tick all the boxes. When a better approach might have been force a few choices to make the case smaller. Looks and value it is still the nicest out there. I just cannot understand why likes of Ghost S1 is so expensive.
I get where your coming from mini itx is supposed to be mini but the space for everything makes cooling doable with beefier CPUs or gpus and overall a nice showoff rig
I personally have an ITX build in a Phanteks Evolv ITX and that case is also considered "to large" by many. I love it though and honestly not everyone is trying to build an insane set up in the smallest possible case, some of us just wan to save a little room without to much added cooling issues. My opinion its another wonderful case to fit that need.
I am considering upgrading to a Partner 2070 super. Actually just trying to figure out what type GPU I can fit with a front AIO. Currently have a 2060 Super FE. Thank you for answering that question for me. I also wanted to ask, I currently have a 650w ATX PSU on a R7 3700x/ROG X570-i. Will I need to change this to a 750w PSU or will I be ok if I do decide to run a 2070 Super?
I used this case with a sapphire Vega 64 and it was tight as hell. It sat right up against my front fans without a rad to the point it was causing the fan to run off center and rattle like mad. I also had the issue with the GPU fans facing directly and touching the PCU shroud which minimises air flow and caused the GPU to heat up rapidly. If you plan on using such a large card I would say go for the H400i.
Basically a virtual zero compromises case... well aside from airflow. But if you compare it to other enclosures this is fairly good in terms of support. I would say, if you want a 240 rad or a full size noctua cooling your CPU, maybe consider this. I have an enthoo evolv itx and it is somewhat similar to this. Smaller then a mid tower, but not really lan party ready. I think the nice thing about these tempered glass itx enclosures is that they really show off the hardware well... something very much not present in the itx setting. It's hard to find SFF cases that are A) Attractive B) Have great airflow and C) Show off the internal components. I would LOVE to see a slightly larger version of the the silverstone ML08b-H with gapped tempered glass side pannels and a slightly largerwidth to mount top and bottom fans in a chimney style air flow pathing. Basically I want a glass suitcase build... but one that breathes. I am willing to sacrifice CPU cooler height and go with an L9i, or a gabriel cooler... or even a small 120 rad if possible.
One more possible config in this case: CPU with Dark Rock Pro 4 or NH-D15 GPU with Kraken G12 and 240mm AIO / EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Kingpin with built in 240mm The question here is what pump-block will fit in there since it doesn't have a 3rd PCI-E slot height of clearance between the bottom slot and the power supply shroud; or in the case of the Kingpin, where to run the tubes sticking out of the side of the graphics card.
It is the best & biggest case I know that can fit into a small suitcase that you can take on a plane with you. Having the smallest case possible is sometimes not an advantage for professionals. Sometimes you just want a case that is in the optimal size. It is a pretty optimized cooling when cooling is considered and it is easy to build in and cable manage. The whole idea that itx cases should be as small as possible is an assumption that some people the prefer SFF but it is far from true.
I came to your channel because your choice of components make a lot of sense to me but we seem to share similar taste in headphones too as I have the Philips X2 and Sennheiser HD600 (very similar to the 580 you have). I just bought some Audeze LCD-2 as I've been curious about them for years. That's overkill for gaming, but I used to review headphones and it bugs me that I never gave them a proper test.
My friend has this case, feels very high quality and great to work in for an ITX case (we built his together). Not much room for cabling if you don't feel like doing cable management though. Other than that, it convinced me to buy the larger variant (h500).
I have it and its amazing! The only thing: you have to put it a bit higher so air enters from under where PSU is located and therefore has better air intake. I have an ATX PSU and when it was lower, my GPU got up to 82°C, and now doesnt go up that higher while playing. I have a GTX 1070 8GB mini and two 140mm front fans, and only the upper fan for outtake of air, cause the back fan didnt fit.
Hey, can messure the distance from the PCIe Slot to the PSU shroud? It should be about 60mm because I have seen builds with 2.5 Slot graphics cards in there.
Nice review as always. Too bad didn't include a noise comparison. Also some tests showed that for air colling, the best fan configuration is the stock position (rear and up exhausting). I'm thinking getting this case, make air cooled, looking for silence, reliability and costs.
I have the Dan A4 and wanted space for water cooling but whew, seeing them side by side it's more than twice the size! Still an amazing alternative to a mid tower though.
Very nice review! I was interested in this case a while back but I think the sweetspot of the NZXT cases is probably the H400(i). Its not much larger than H200(i) and is an Matx case. Matx is overall is highly underrated in my opinion!
ITX or not ITX, the H200 is a great case that's small in form factor and easy to build in - unlike the other, true ITX cases, the H200 is a great compromise for those who would like a build that showcases all of their components (from one side) like the usual ATX builds with large tempered panels but don't want all that extra, empty space to look at or a behemoth tower that dominates your work space. There will always be something that "misses the mark" but for me, this one didn't so it all comes down to preference.
2:15 Wow lining them all up side by side like that with other Mini ITX cases the H200 looks pretty big compared to the Dan A4 and the Ghost S1. I was looking for something where I can fit an RTX 2070 and a threadripper with 100% Air Cooling (I dont want to risk water cooling leaks), I love how you include the temperatures of each case as well with Air Cooling vs Water cooling at 6:15 most other reviewers dont include temperatures with their video reviews or explain different layouts that would work in the cases like you explained. The temperature difference with air cooling is huge H200 = 50.7° @1,350 RPM, Dan A4 = 65.4° @2,500 RPM, and the Ghost S1 = 73.3° @1,650 RPM Wow!
I have this case with a 9700k and a 2080ti Founders. My CPU is on a 240mm AIO cooler and doesn't ever hit 70c but my GPU temps on air were terrible unless extremely loud. I cut 3x 92mm fan holes in the back to push air into the PSU shroud that the GPU can use. Now my GPU sits around 70c under load and is much quieter.
I had this setup. Strix Z370i/8700k/Dom Plats/CM AIO and a 1080Ti SC2 in a H200i in the same config. I ended up swapping my 1080Ti SC2 for a reference 1080Ti with a EVGA Hybrid cooler since the temps for the GPU were in the 80s which made me uncomfortable. So much so that the glass itself would be hot to touch during gaming. Not enough airflow for a 1080Ti SC2 in this case imo. I would be interested to see you game with this setup and see the temps!
@@optimumtech Can confirm the x62 fits, all I had to do was remove the cable management bar to get the radiator in. Kinda surprised that they don't advertise 280mm radiator fitment as this was not difficult to do, and I love the performance & noise benefit of running 140mm fans. Can't wait to see your followup video!
@@chatshd Sure, also if you have any questions about the case I can try to answer them. EDIT: pcpartpicker.com/b/2jkdnQ here it is. I'll try to take better pictures and write a proper description tonight.
Right on time haha. I was thinking of an ITX build around this case for my older brother. Thanks for this. Edit: And thanks for the clearance checks. Very helpful. As for HDDs though, is it possible to fit one in?
@@_sleezii there are great 2.5" options out there. Have a look at Seagates Barracuda lineup. I recommend using 2.5" drives because they are not as loud. This case does not have any vibration dampening so keep that in mind.
@@_sleezii yeah give it a shot :) The only problem with 2.5" HDDs is the (comparably) low capacity. Sadly you won't get 10TB 2.5" drives. I've got a 256gb Samsung 960 Evo M.2 and a 1TB 2.5" Seagate Barracuda. There are worlds between Sata SSDs and M.2. In case you need a good motherboard I can recommend Aorus' z390i. It also features 2 m.2 slots and it has really good VRM cooling. But many people don't really like it's BIOS.
Well done. Though this is not perfect case. For those living with well over 20C room temperature, the fractals S Nano is a bit uglier, but much more functional enclosure. For me, mainly due to being custom loop friendly. Without modding I was able to fit 2x240 rads for a full liquid cooled setup which also happens to be quiet enough. After some (heavy) modifications, it is going to have a single 280x45 rad for airflow/ dust management optimization. That's will be a prototyping layout for a custom case that should be significantly smaller and better looking while keeping the liquid cooling friendly and quiet properties that can be used with any high end hw
I have an i7 4770 (liquid cooled by an enermax liqmax II 120 with a single fan in push) and a GTX 1080 Ti (Evga FTW3): while I cannot fit a 240 mm radiator on front (the vga card is just a few millimeters too long), I have two extra fans (one on the rear and one on top) in pull and the airflow is fantastic. Also because of the negative pressure the GPU never goes above 60 degrees (even with 30 degrees room temp) and the fans never exceed 20% speed (most of the time they're off). The cpu never goes above 72 (but it is not a point given its specs). The layout is super clean and I have 3 SSDs and 1 HDD. I think the GPU choice is super important for temps. With the same GPU I bet I could fit a slim 240 mm radiator on front, one 120 in the back and probably even on top and build a gorgeous custom loop. It is not a real SFF tough and I got it just because I already had an ITX mb. If building from scratch the h400 is a better choice imho (slightly larger but more room for improvement).
I orderd the 210 in red black as I will do just decent RGB to complement the red line. It is in deed a bid large for ITX, my last build was a Intel SculC. in a full passive Akitio, with TB3 EGPU, now I decided I go for more flexibility, and since I will do a gradual build starting with 3400g without GPU, than I add a 3070, or 6600 depends on availabity, and finally I will change the cpu to next gen Ryzen. The 3400g then will be used in a Asrock Mini. The 210 is quite decent esp. for the price. I just like ITX :D
To be honest, the H200 is the best "space optimized" ITX case in one specific case- proper watercooling. I've handily fitted a complete watercooling loop and a total of 360mm of radiators (240mm up front, 120mm at the back), as well as an additional exhaust fan at the top- mind you, this potentially could be swapped for a slim 120mm radiator that would rely solely on convection, but then the inside might actually get too hot. There's also room for a compact EKWB pump/res combo mounted horizontally. As for the temperatures- my i5 8600k @4.8GHz usually sits in the 60-68C range (it's not delidded though), and my GTX 1080Ti for the most part does not exceed 60C (unless running full-tilt at 4K, in which scenario it does spike up to 70C, same goes for the CPU, and then you have to take the front off to drop the temps by around 10C). So yeah, while being a lot bigger than say a Dan A4 SFX or a Ghost Loque, it DOES actually make a great use of available space.
I'm planning to get the exact same AIO cooler for my H200i. My question is, does it matter which side of the rad the fans are on? Coz I've seen similar builds but they have the fans on the other side of the radiator (facing the front panel). This will be my first time dabbling in any sort of watercooling, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
It's big because it's for the performance oriented end of the spectrum. I wouldn't want to cram my 3700x, 2400 radiator and 2x fans, and 5700 xt in anything smaller than the H200. Different story if it was a 3600 & 5600 build. But then none of the other cases lets me appreciate my cable routing prowess through that lovely transparent glass. So it serves a really good niche. Well done NZXT
I feel like the H200 is perfect as a sort of gateway drug for mITX systems, as it is smaller and more compact than a normal case, but not unmanageable for a rookie builder. It would also fare much better than an SFF PC for first time builders, although generally, they should not build inside an mITX case to begin with.
Another high quality vid man. This case is a bit large for my taste personally. However, cases like these make taking the itx plunge easier by allowing someone to just buy the mobo and case while reusing most if not all of their LFF components! Once that first step is taken any case over that magic 20L or so seems like too much though. 😁
I had a node 202 and I felt very limited. The h200 is perfect because I still like the standard atx tower layout but don’t like the height and this fit my needs perfectly
Love the case. I got the white one. 2 aio's cpu and gpu. The Kraken x52 in the front and the Corsair H75 on the gpu with the NZXT G12 bracket on a gtx 1080ti
Is it really required to put another fan above or in front if you use a water cooler for your cpu? And does the fans that comes with the water cooler intake cool air to cool the insides? I really need to know
What if you’re more concerned about noise than space? Seems like it would be fairly quiet if it’s the second coolest case? Also what’s the noise level difference between the AIO and the air cooled, as they both use fans just in different positions?
I just finished my build with 2600x and 580 o8g and x52 240mm. It looks great but, the x52 pump seems to be “pushing” the ram a bit. Like the ram in the left slot is tilted to the right because pump’s hoses is too big. Is that going to be a big deal? And also, the sfx bracket is extremely hard to get off, the screws were like screwed on for demons and it just won’t come off!
Solid review overall with great production quality as always, but I'm hoping for a follow-up for two main reasons: expanding on testing of air cooling potential, and addressing significant issues (which you partially acknowledged) regarding your GPU test set-up. First, you mentioned that you would like to re-test with the NH-D15. I would be interested to see the air cooling potential of this case with a few different options noting relative dB levels. Second, your review significantly hindered the case's potential for GPU cooling in two primary ways. As you noted (at 7:32), your choice to use an ATX PSU vs an SFX PSU prevented cooling via the vents in the PSU shroud (also acknowledged as important at 1:27). You then further hindered GPU cooling by using 2 x 120 mm front intake fans. This is worth noting here as while it would seem self-evident that doing so would help with GPU cooling, several reviewers have tested alternate configurations and found that adding those intake fans actually increases GPU temperatures, since the case is designed around negative pressure GPU cooling (which was further hindered in your test by the ATX PSU as noted previously). Thus, the results here likely represent a worst case scenario. One thing that some owners have tried is mounting a fan under the PSU shroud to increase airflow to the GPU. That may also be worth trying. Again, solid review overall and looking forward to v.2
For me the reason to build ITX would be the possibility to move my PC around in the house or take it to a friend. Since I don't do that very often, I actually think the size of the H200 would still be okay, since you could still easily pick it up and put it into the trunk of a car. But what stops me from doing that on this case is the glass side panel. It's just so dangerous to move this case around and put it in a car. One unfortunate bump and the glass shatters. If there was a metal-only version, I think it would be a pretty good case.
I've looked for a good while and haven't found anything that met my requirements at a reasonable price. I love small systems but I also would prefer the option to overclock and keep temps as low as possible. I wanted to use an AIO and has sufficient space for an RTX 3070/3080. This case keeps things aesthetic with a nice balance of compactness and spacing. My last case was tiny, nhl9a, sfx psu, it's mobo, but there was hardly any space for a gpu upgrade, much less a 3.5hdd. Beats having an itx mobo in a bigger case.
I mean, if youre going to get an ITX case of that size, you might as well get a M-ATX like the inwin 301. There isnt that much of a difference in size between the 2. 381mm x 209mm x 390mm (inwin 301) VS 349mm x 210mm 372mm (h200)
Hey optimum i was interested in the Lian Li tu150 and Cougar QBX, you mentioned here that while the H200 may have the clearance by length to fit most GPUs it does not have the clearance in "Slots" i was wondering what the "slow clearance" on the tu150 has the spec sheet only mention a length clearance.
Just for some perspective, the Raijintek Thetis is an ATX case that is almost the same size as this (only 1L larger) and has the same CPU cooler support. H200 is that big. Having said that, I really like the design of H200 and I wouldn't mind having it...
I wouldn't even call the DA2 "SFF". IMO anything over 15 liters is too big. The only thing it really has that the smaller cases doesn't is tempered glass. I'm still waiting for a good actually sff case with tempered glass and 240 rad support. Hopefully the DAN C4-SFX comes sooner rather than later.
You probably already took the PC apart, but I was wondering if you could comment on the height of the CPU pump/block combo on AIOs. I'm planning on doing a build in this with a front mounted 280mm radiator, and a rear 120mm radiator and need to know approximately how tall my CPU pump/block can be. I was originally looking at the NZXT Kraken X62, but as you said, it's a bit too tall. Would a pump/block with a height of 1.6 inches fit without interfering with a rear mounted 120mm radiator + fan?
I have the H200i, happy with it, but I also ordered the Ncase M1 v6. I still want to use my Kraken X52, and afaik there is not much else that is small and fits the X52, or is there? I like the Dan A4 but cba with micro AIO due to lack of cooling performance. The Ghost is no option for me as the tophat is ugly af, I wish they made a larger, one-piece version. Wrote them but they don't seem to care about that for now.
A great review that focused on the spaces involved Space case offers for build Space for GPUs Physical Space on your desktop and for traveling This case fills a unique niche for users in that niche that you cover well in your video *Thumbs up
4:50 you specify that with a Kraken you cannot use a rear mounted 120mm AIO for your GPU. That's not true. I've got this setup with a 9900k on a Kraken X52, with then an EVGA hybrid 2080 Ti with it mounted on the rear. You have to dismount the radiator from the fan, install the radiator by itself, then install the fan and it will fit, or use a slim fan on it and that would work as well.
was thinking about buying this, until you mentioned it only supports 2slot graphics cards. like why get something that isn't even sff, but can't support 2 1/2 graphics cards? I can get the core 500, for much less space if that's the case.
That's my only issue with this case is the lack of airflow to the GPU. Maybe if they made the case a couple of mm taller to give more breathing room for the video card. airflow is always my hangup when looking at ITX builds
Wish there were more dual-AiO capable cases. Only other case I know is Fractal Nano S, but it's about the same size, so no "real" difference in picking one over the other.
The biggest selling point to me is the ability to use the huge dark rock pro 4 or nhd15 tower cooler with this case that allows full bore overclock in itx config if you feel uncomfortable with potential Aio leak over time and their RGB version in white looks pretty boss. Thanks for the Great VID
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I think the most appealing part about this case is the fact that it’s readily available and relatively cheap.
The Ncase M1 is my all time favorite case however limited supply, $215 price tag after shipping, and a 3-5 week wait time for it to ship is a whole lot to ask for and has really been putting me off from buying it. Really waiting on a secondhand one.
Bit the bullet and bought the V5. It's been over a year and I don't regret it at all. Both processors on 120mm AIOs btw. (8700k/1080ti)
there is not a single alternative or clone in aliexpress or taobao?
@@Maisonier nope. Nothing
@@somedude2492 I live in South America, so ... nothing else arrives, it seems that 1st World Countries treat us like AFRICA.
@Eli R. Lol nope
I didn't buy this case for the size, I bought it because it looks nice and a full build inside leaves no useless empty space like on normal atx cases which is something I wanted.
I built mine with a 280mm aio in the front and a hybrid GPU in the rear.
Lol "useless" empty space. Um airflow?
Al Havoc Airflow is still pretty decent with two 140's in front and a top 120 as intake. I use the 120 in the back and the PSU as exhaust, it runs reasonably well even with extreme overclocking of both CPU and GPU. The silent wings 3 are very quiet fans.
the h400 is a good solution too if you dont like full atx like me
What AIO did you use? I'm considering the EVGA CLC 280, but I'm not sure if it's too tall.
@@reecejones4658 I used the NZXT Kraken x62 (Tubes have to be on top) and an EVGA SC2 hybrid (the FTW Gaming card is too long to fit with the rad in front, the cards look very similar but the sc2 is is the only one that fits by a couple millimeters.)
Excellent. At last a visual comparison of ITX cases next to each other.
Great touch adding the visual references for GPU/Front Cooler clearance. "At the Baltimore Sun, God still resides in the details." - The Wire
I've got the h200i variant and I can confirm that 2.5 slot GPUs will fit although mine pretty much lays on the PSU shroud. In my case (pun intended) I've got a Zotac GTX 1070 Amp Extreme and an i5 8600k at 4.5GHz. I'm using an Corsair SF450 and the CPU is cooled by an Arctic Freezer 120. When playing Battlefield 1 I hit roughly 60-65°C on the CPU and about 73°C on my GPU. But keep in mind that I've turned the GPU fans down significantly to about 40%. So in my opinion thermals in general are pretty good but it depends on whether you have the front dust filter installed (I believe you forgot to mention that, as the other cases do not have filters, right?)
Nice video and keep up the great work :)
I also have a 2.5 slot gpu and it just lays on the shroud. But it does fit
@@thegangstadawg007 Which one do you have? First I thought my GPU was to long but it does fit if I remove the front fan mounting panel and then angle it in there. I've got about 2-3mm clearance. Pure luck that it fits
@@detroxx56784 Asus strix rx 580
@@thegangstadawg007 That's also a pretty beefy card. How are your temps on this card?
@@detroxx56784 Last time I checked the highest was about 73. I have since undervolted the card so it's probably lower than that
I love it. It's small without being too small for my taste... it's perfect!
new version came out of it too got better features
Oliver Cairn whats the newer version?
@@saveusm1saki726 h210
thats what she said
What she said
I’ve been waiting for your H200 review! You did such a superb job and I really appreciate that you compared the size to the H500 as well! 👏
This video answered so many questions I had regarding cooler and GPU lengths that every other video over looks. Nice
What GPU was that for the push pull config on the AIO?
All option needed for itx cases. This case is modern version like Nano S.
Some companys like Corsair or Fractal not upgrade there old itx cases least 5 year.
Nano S and 250D need upgrade like glass panels least but they don't do it.
This H200 is good case for 2019 standards. Market need more new itx and micro atx cube cases also.
Nano S has far better use of space.
@@spiznas but don't have glass:) acrylic panels looks awful.
@@qq312qq i feel 'awful' is a bit over the top. they're not that bad tbh
but certainly outdated and an inferior option when tempered glass is now the standard. i wouldn't buy anything with an acrylic panel these days
Agreed on more cubes.
it's not that it's too large, it's the poor use of space that's the problem
Yep. It just seems to miss the mark. The Nano S is roughly the same size, but you can cram a full custom loop with dual 240mm rads or even a 280 + 240 in there and still has space for some 3.5" drives.
@@spiznas Agree completely. I love the looks, but I have the Nano S Mini and it is still the most versatile large mini itx in the market, which is unfortunate as I would love something a bit more premium and cool looking.
Love the case. I got the white one. 2 aio's cpu and gpu. The Kraken x52 in the front and the Corsair H75 on the gpu with the NZXT G12 bracket on a gtx 1080ti
Disagree, it's down to the builder to be creative and make the best use of the design. Anyone can shove a system into a ghost case, slide the fuking side on and hide everything.
@@spiznas and it looks like ass, nothankyou
i really like this form factor, i would love to see fractal design updates the nano S
Woo Nano S squad
Nano S 2 mesh TG
I think NZXT tried to give the max big air cooler clearance, max AIO clearance, max PSU clearance and max graphics card length to try and tick all the boxes. When a better approach might have been force a few choices to make the case smaller. Looks and value it is still the nicest out there. I just cannot understand why likes of Ghost S1 is so expensive.
I get where your coming from mini itx is supposed to be mini but the space for everything makes cooling doable with beefier CPUs or gpus and overall a nice showoff rig
I personally have an ITX build in a Phanteks Evolv ITX and that case is also considered "to large" by many. I love it though and honestly not everyone is trying to build an insane set up in the smallest possible case, some of us just wan to save a little room without to much added cooling issues. My opinion its another wonderful case to fit that need.
I am considering upgrading to a Partner 2070 super. Actually just trying to figure out what type GPU I can fit with a front AIO. Currently have a 2060 Super FE. Thank you for answering that question for me. I also wanted to ask, I currently have a 650w ATX PSU on a R7 3700x/ROG X570-i. Will I need to change this to a 750w PSU or will I be ok if I do decide to run a 2070 Super?
I used this case with a sapphire Vega 64 and it was tight as hell. It sat right up against my front fans without a rad to the point it was causing the fan to run off center and rattle like mad. I also had the issue with the GPU fans facing directly and touching the PCU shroud which minimises air flow and caused the GPU to heat up rapidly. If you plan on using such a large card I would say go for the H400i.
Basically a virtual zero compromises case... well aside from airflow. But if you compare it to other enclosures this is fairly good in terms of support.
I would say, if you want a 240 rad or a full size noctua cooling your CPU, maybe consider this.
I have an enthoo evolv itx and it is somewhat similar to this. Smaller then a mid tower, but not really lan party ready.
I think the nice thing about these tempered glass itx enclosures is that they really show off the hardware well... something very much not present in the itx setting.
It's hard to find SFF cases that are
A) Attractive
B) Have great airflow
and
C) Show off the internal components.
I would LOVE to see a slightly larger version of the the silverstone ML08b-H with gapped tempered glass side pannels and a slightly largerwidth to mount top and bottom fans in a chimney style air flow pathing.
Basically I want a glass suitcase build... but one that breathes. I am willing to sacrifice CPU cooler height and go with an L9i, or a gabriel cooler... or even a small 120 rad if possible.
One more possible config in this case:
CPU with Dark Rock Pro 4 or NH-D15
GPU with Kraken G12 and 240mm AIO / EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Kingpin with built in 240mm
The question here is what pump-block will fit in there since it doesn't have a 3rd PCI-E slot height of clearance between the bottom slot and the power supply shroud; or in the case of the Kingpin, where to run the tubes sticking out of the side of the graphics card.
VERY good work on this review.....especially showing the clearance for graphics cards.
It is the best & biggest case I know that can fit into a small suitcase that you can take on a plane with you.
Having the smallest case possible is sometimes not an advantage for professionals. Sometimes you just want a case that is in the optimal size.
It is a pretty optimized cooling when cooling is considered and it is easy to build in and cable manage.
The whole idea that itx cases should be as small as possible is an assumption that some people the prefer SFF but it is far from true.
I came to your channel because your choice of components make a lot of sense to me but we seem to share similar taste in headphones too as I have the Philips X2 and Sennheiser HD600 (very similar to the 580 you have). I just bought some Audeze LCD-2 as I've been curious about them for years. That's overkill for gaming, but I used to review headphones and it bugs me that I never gave them a proper test.
My friend has this case, feels very high quality and great to work in for an ITX case (we built his together). Not much room for cabling if you don't feel like doing cable management though. Other than that, it convinced me to buy the larger variant (h500).
Don't forget the H200i makes a great candidate for a custom loop build too. Maybe you can do a build video!
yes, would love to see a custom loop build on the H200/H200i too ;)
I have it and its amazing! The only thing: you have to put it a bit higher so air enters from under where PSU is located and therefore has better air intake. I have an ATX PSU and when it was lower, my GPU got up to 82°C, and now doesnt go up that higher while playing.
I have a GTX 1070 8GB mini and two 140mm front fans, and only the upper fan for outtake of air, cause the back fan didnt fit.
Hey, can messure the distance from the PCIe Slot to the PSU shroud?
It should be about 60mm because I have seen builds with 2.5 Slot graphics cards in there.
Nice review as always. Too bad didn't include a noise comparison. Also some tests showed that for air colling, the best fan configuration is the stock position (rear and up exhausting).
I'm thinking getting this case, make air cooled, looking for silence, reliability and costs.
I swear to god these relatively small channels are getting better and better. Amazing production, keep it up.
This case is the exact size I looking for. The super small cramped itx cases have never appealed to me. Cant wait to make my build in this
I have the Dan A4 and wanted space for water cooling but whew, seeing them side by side it's more than twice the size! Still an amazing alternative to a mid tower though.
Very nice review! I was interested in this case a while back but I think the sweetspot of the NZXT cases is probably the H400(i). Its not much larger than H200(i) and is an Matx case. Matx is overall is highly underrated in my opinion!
Yes , i think the same
matx is the best form factor
Small size and
ITX or not ITX, the H200 is a great case that's small in form factor and easy to build in - unlike the other, true ITX cases, the H200 is a great compromise for those who would like a build that showcases all of their components (from one side) like the usual ATX builds with large tempered panels but don't want all that extra, empty space to look at or a behemoth tower that dominates your work space. There will always be something that "misses the mark" but for me, this one didn't so it all comes down to preference.
Thank you so much, I needed this video
Great Review and I am looking forward for the Noctua NH-D15 or NH-D15s airflow test. Have a nice day. Love your work.
on a ryzen 5 i idle at 32c with the d15, if that helps
2:15 Wow lining them all up side by side like that with other Mini ITX cases the H200 looks pretty big compared to the Dan A4 and the Ghost S1. I was looking for something where I can fit an RTX 2070 and a threadripper with 100% Air Cooling (I dont want to risk water cooling leaks), I love how you include the temperatures of each case as well with Air Cooling vs Water cooling at 6:15 most other reviewers dont include temperatures with their video reviews or explain different layouts that would work in the cases like you explained. The temperature difference with air cooling is huge H200 = 50.7° @1,350 RPM, Dan A4 = 65.4° @2,500 RPM, and the Ghost S1 = 73.3° @1,650 RPM Wow!
I have this case with a 9700k and a 2080ti Founders. My CPU is on a 240mm AIO cooler and doesn't ever hit 70c but my GPU temps on air were terrible unless extremely loud. I cut 3x 92mm fan holes in the back to push air into the PSU shroud that the GPU can use. Now my GPU sits around 70c under load and is much quieter.
I had this setup. Strix Z370i/8700k/Dom Plats/CM AIO and a 1080Ti SC2 in a H200i in the same config. I ended up swapping my 1080Ti SC2 for a reference 1080Ti with a EVGA Hybrid cooler since the temps for the GPU were in the 80s which made me uncomfortable. So much so that the glass itself would be hot to touch during gaming. Not enough airflow for a 1080Ti SC2 in this case imo. I would be interested to see you game with this setup and see the temps!
H200 can fit a 280mm radiator in the front unofficially. A Kraken x62 and Corsair H115i Pro can fit but with some difficulty.
Will test this when I get around to testing the Noctua D15 in there!
@@optimumtech Can confirm the x62 fits, all I had to do was remove the cable management bar to get the radiator in. Kinda surprised that they don't advertise 280mm radiator fitment as this was not difficult to do, and I love the performance & noise benefit of running 140mm fans. Can't wait to see your followup video!
I just put my build into this case yesterday!
AXLplosion share it on pc part pick ? And put link here. I configured a $1400 build for this case for 1440p @ 120hz target
@@chatshd Sure, also if you have any questions about the case I can try to answer them.
EDIT: pcpartpicker.com/b/2jkdnQ here it is. I'll try to take better pictures and write a proper description tonight.
@@AXLplosion Thanks ! I am assuming if you got a Cooler Master 240 AIO then your temps will lower ?
Right on time haha. I was thinking of an ITX build around this case for my older brother. Thanks for this.
Edit: And thanks for the clearance checks. Very helpful. As for HDDs though, is it possible to fit one in?
Yes you can fit a 3.5" HDD at the front underneath the PSU shroud or you could just simply use a 2.5" HDD as I do.
@@detroxx56784 Oh cool, thanks!
@@_sleezii there are great 2.5" options out there. Have a look at Seagates Barracuda lineup. I recommend using 2.5" drives because they are not as loud. This case does not have any vibration dampening so keep that in mind.
Max P. I’ll take note of that. I’m used to SATA SSDs and 3.5” HDDs, but not 2.5” HDDs and M.2 SSDs 😅 Think it’s time to try them out.
@@_sleezii yeah give it a shot :)
The only problem with 2.5" HDDs is the (comparably) low capacity. Sadly you won't get 10TB 2.5" drives. I've got a 256gb Samsung 960 Evo M.2 and a 1TB 2.5" Seagate Barracuda.
There are worlds between Sata SSDs and M.2. In case you need a good motherboard I can recommend Aorus' z390i. It also features 2 m.2 slots and it has really good VRM cooling. But many people don't really like it's BIOS.
You picked your channels niche perfectly. I love your content
Thanks for the kind words! Also to clarify, I didn't "pick a niche", I just make videos about what I enjoy.
Optimum Tech ah sorry about that, still love the content and how knowledgeable you are in the sff world!
I love mine. Good balance between size and upgrade-Ability .
God dude you need more subs. One of the best tech channels in my subs. Great video man!
I think this case looks sick! I have a 510 and i'm loving that bad boy. I would probably be more inclined to get this for my next ITX project!
Well done. Though this is not perfect case. For those living with well over 20C room temperature, the fractals S Nano is a bit uglier, but much more functional enclosure. For me, mainly due to being custom loop friendly. Without modding I was able to fit 2x240 rads for a full liquid cooled setup which also happens to be quiet enough. After some (heavy) modifications, it is going to have a single 280x45 rad for airflow/ dust management optimization. That's will be a prototyping layout for a custom case that should be significantly smaller and better looking while keeping the liquid cooling friendly and quiet properties that can be used with any high end hw
I love this case, it looks amazing. But it‘s true that there is much space wasted.
I don’t mind. It’s still my favorite case
hey why did you do liquid cooling at only 15 minute runs for heat test?
I have an i7 4770 (liquid cooled by an enermax liqmax II 120 with a single fan in push) and a GTX 1080 Ti (Evga FTW3): while I cannot fit a 240 mm radiator on front (the vga card is just a few millimeters too long), I have two extra fans (one on the rear and one on top) in pull and the airflow is fantastic. Also because of the negative pressure the GPU never goes above 60 degrees (even with 30 degrees room temp) and the fans never exceed 20% speed (most of the time they're off). The cpu never goes above 72 (but it is not a point given its specs). The layout is super clean and I have 3 SSDs and 1 HDD. I think the GPU choice is super important for temps. With the same GPU I bet I could fit a slim 240 mm radiator on front, one 120 in the back and probably even on top and build a gorgeous custom loop.
It is not a real SFF tough and I got it just because I already had an ITX mb. If building from scratch the h400 is a better choice imho (slightly larger but more room for improvement).
I orderd the 210 in red black as I will do just decent RGB to complement the red line. It is in deed a bid large for ITX, my last build was a Intel SculC. in a full passive Akitio, with TB3 EGPU, now I decided I go for more flexibility, and since I will do a gradual build starting with 3400g without GPU, than I add a 3070, or 6600 depends on availabity, and finally I will change the cpu to next gen Ryzen. The 3400g then will be used in a Asrock Mini. The 210 is quite decent esp. for the price. I just like ITX :D
To be honest, the H200 is the best "space optimized" ITX case in one specific case- proper watercooling. I've handily fitted a complete watercooling loop and a total of 360mm of radiators (240mm up front, 120mm at the back), as well as an additional exhaust fan at the top- mind you, this potentially could be swapped for a slim 120mm radiator that would rely solely on convection, but then the inside might actually get too hot. There's also room for a compact EKWB pump/res combo mounted horizontally.
As for the temperatures- my i5 8600k @4.8GHz usually sits in the 60-68C range (it's not delidded though), and my GTX 1080Ti for the most part does not exceed 60C (unless running full-tilt at 4K, in which scenario it does spike up to 70C, same goes for the CPU, and then you have to take the front off to drop the temps by around 10C).
So yeah, while being a lot bigger than say a Dan A4 SFX or a Ghost Loque, it DOES actually make a great use of available space.
I'm planning to get the exact same AIO cooler for my H200i. My question is, does it matter which side of the rad the fans are on? Coz I've seen similar builds but they have the fans on the other side of the radiator (facing the front panel). This will be my first time dabbling in any sort of watercooling, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
It's big because it's for the performance oriented end of the spectrum. I wouldn't want to cram my 3700x, 2400 radiator and 2x fans, and 5700 xt in anything smaller than the H200. Different story if it was a 3600 & 5600 build. But then none of the other cases lets me appreciate my cable routing prowess through that lovely transparent glass. So it serves a really good niche. Well done NZXT
I love the H200i so I bought it then NZXT came out with the H1 which looks next level!!
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Evolv Mini ITX case compared to this (and the proper SFX cases)
@Optimum Tech - What screwdriver / repair kit do you use? Where can it be purchased? Thanks!
I feel like the H200 is perfect as a sort of gateway drug for mITX systems, as it is smaller and more compact than a normal case, but not unmanageable for a rookie builder. It would also fare much better than an SFF PC for first time builders, although generally, they should not build inside an mITX case to begin with.
Can i fit a NZXT KRAKEN M22 inside the H200? I'm not sure if thats the AIO cooler you're referring to. thanks
Another high quality vid man. This case is a bit large for my taste personally. However, cases like these make taking the itx plunge easier by allowing someone to just buy the mobo and case while reusing most if not all of their LFF components! Once that first step is taken any case over that magic 20L or so seems like too much though. 😁
Thanks for the size compatibility info 👌🏼
Since some people build "the most powerful PC ever" but with ITX motherboard, it's not too large for "gaming ITX" unless you're building a HTPC.
I had a node 202 and I felt very limited. The h200 is perfect because I still like the standard atx tower layout but don’t like the height and this fit my needs perfectly
3:43 is this a stock nzxt cooler on top? I can‘t fit mine with the Dark Rock 4.
Is it bad to not have one at the top?
Love the case. I got the white one. 2 aio's cpu and gpu. The Kraken x52 in the front and the Corsair H75 on the gpu with the NZXT G12 bracket on a gtx 1080ti
Very thoughtful and smart case. And great review, cheers.
It does fit on carry-on luggage on most companies tho... the IATA Cabin Ok is 55cm x 35cm x25cm
Is it really required to put another fan above or in front if you use a water cooler for your cpu? And does the fans that comes with the water cooler intake cool air to cool the insides? I really need to know
I’m somewhat excited for the Lian li tu-150 that will come out later this year
hi, will the 280.3mm video card fit in? If there is water cooling on the processor, Corsair h100i pro rgb.
300mm or 280mm gpu?
What if you’re more concerned about noise than space? Seems like it would be fairly quiet if it’s the second coolest case? Also what’s the noise level difference between the AIO and the air cooled, as they both use fans just in different positions?
I just finished my build with 2600x and 580 o8g and x52 240mm. It looks great but, the x52 pump seems to be “pushing” the ram a bit. Like the ram in the left slot is tilted to the right because pump’s hoses is too big. Is that going to be a big deal? And also, the sfx bracket is extremely hard to get off, the screws were like screwed on for demons and it just won’t come off!
Solid review overall with great production quality as always, but I'm hoping for a follow-up for two main reasons: expanding on testing of air cooling potential, and addressing significant issues (which you partially acknowledged) regarding your GPU test set-up.
First, you mentioned that you would like to re-test with the NH-D15. I would be interested to see the air cooling potential of this case with a few different options noting relative dB levels.
Second, your review significantly hindered the case's potential for GPU cooling in two primary ways. As you noted (at 7:32), your choice to use an ATX PSU vs an SFX PSU prevented cooling via the vents in the PSU shroud (also acknowledged as important at 1:27). You then further hindered GPU cooling by using 2 x 120 mm front intake fans. This is worth noting here as while it would seem self-evident that doing so would help with GPU cooling, several reviewers have tested alternate configurations and found that adding those intake fans actually increases GPU temperatures, since the case is designed around negative pressure GPU cooling (which was further hindered in your test by the ATX PSU as noted previously). Thus, the results here likely represent a worst case scenario. One thing that some owners have tried is mounting a fan under the PSU shroud to increase airflow to the GPU. That may also be worth trying.
Again, solid review overall and looking forward to v.2
For me the reason to build ITX would be the possibility to move my PC around in the house or take it to a friend. Since I don't do that very often, I actually think the size of the H200 would still be okay, since you could still easily pick it up and put it into the trunk of a car. But what stops me from doing that on this case is the glass side panel. It's just so dangerous to move this case around and put it in a car. One unfortunate bump and the glass shatters. If there was a metal-only version, I think it would be a pretty good case.
Does Kraken AIO have 4 Fan Splitter? If so, did you connect all Top-Rear-2 from Rad Fans to the splitter?
The H-series of NZXT cases is positioned to use custom water cooling. From here and such sizes.
would a fully aircooled system be a bad idea in this if im using a stock ryzen cpu cooler? Would I be better off with the H400?
Still think the Fractal Nano S is my fav for the 20ish Liter ITX cases. Helps that it's available for years.
I've looked for a good while and haven't found anything that met my requirements at a reasonable price.
I love small systems but I also would prefer the option to overclock and keep temps as low as possible. I wanted to use an AIO and has sufficient space for an RTX 3070/3080. This case keeps things aesthetic with a nice balance of compactness and spacing. My last case was tiny, nhl9a, sfx psu, it's mobo, but there was hardly any space for a gpu upgrade, much less a 3.5hdd. Beats having an itx mobo in a bigger case.
Will the EVGA black 2080 to fit with the kraken x52? It's 270 centimeters but im not sure if I need smaller than 270 or 270 is the max
Since you did this case I would love to see Metallic Gear Neo-G Mini. Similar but smaller with vertical gpu
There's also a version without vertical GPU mounting.
@@vinyfiny2019 I'm pretty sure that one's bigger though
@@Shane-zo4mg It's identical in size, just has standard GPU mounting, a solid front panel instead of TG, and it's $10 cheaper. Check on Newegg.
@@vinyfiny2019 oh nice! Yeah that case is sick.
I mean, if youre going to get an ITX case of that size, you might as well get a M-ATX like the inwin 301. There isnt that much of a difference in size between the 2. 381mm x 209mm x 390mm
(inwin 301) VS
349mm x 210mm 372mm (h200)
this case is still in my option even in 2022. However, will the very small space between graphic card and psu cause a bad GPU thermal performance?
perfect size for high end itx, best for airflow.
Proper use of the case: liqud GPU + 280 radiator up front + dark rock 4 or something like this on CPU.
Hey optimum i was interested in the Lian Li tu150 and Cougar QBX, you mentioned here that while the H200 may have the clearance by length to fit most GPUs it does not have the clearance in "Slots" i was wondering what the "slow clearance" on the tu150 has the spec sheet only mention a length clearance.
Just for some perspective, the Raijintek Thetis is an ATX case that is almost the same size as this (only 1L larger) and has the same CPU cooler support. H200 is that big.
Having said that, I really like the design of H200 and I wouldn't mind having it...
I wouldn't even call the DA2 "SFF". IMO anything over 15 liters is too big. The only thing it really has that the smaller cases doesn't is tempered glass. I'm still waiting for a good actually sff case with tempered glass and 240 rad support. Hopefully the DAN C4-SFX comes sooner rather than later.
You probably already took the PC apart, but I was wondering if you could comment on the height of the CPU pump/block combo on AIOs. I'm planning on doing a build in this with a front mounted 280mm radiator, and a rear 120mm radiator and need to know approximately how tall my CPU pump/block can be. I was originally looking at the NZXT Kraken X62, but as you said, it's a bit too tall. Would a pump/block with a height of 1.6 inches fit without interfering with a rear mounted 120mm radiator + fan?
I have the H200i, happy with it, but I also ordered the Ncase M1 v6. I still want to use my Kraken X52, and afaik there is not much else that is small and fits the X52, or is there?
I like the Dan A4 but cba with micro AIO due to lack of cooling performance.
The Ghost is no option for me as the tophat is ugly af, I wish they made a larger, one-piece version. Wrote them but they don't seem to care about that for now.
A great review that focused on the spaces involved
Space case offers for build
Space for GPUs
Physical Space on your desktop and for traveling
This case fills a unique niche for users in that niche that you cover well in your video
*Thumbs up
4:50 you specify that with a Kraken you cannot use a rear mounted 120mm AIO for your GPU. That's not true. I've got this setup with a 9900k on a Kraken X52, with then an EVGA hybrid 2080 Ti with it mounted on the rear. You have to dismount the radiator from the fan, install the radiator by itself, then install the fan and it will fit, or use a slim fan on it and that would work as well.
was thinking about buying this, until you mentioned it only supports 2slot graphics cards.
like why get something that isn't even sff, but can't support 2 1/2 graphics cards?
I can get the core 500, for much less space if that's the case.
That's my only issue with this case is the lack of airflow to the GPU. Maybe if they made the case a couple of mm taller to give more breathing room for the video card. airflow is always my hangup when looking at ITX builds
Wish there were more dual-AiO capable cases. Only other case I know is Fractal Nano S, but it's about the same size, so no "real" difference in picking one over the other.
Please compare this to a fractal design define nano s! Both oversize sff case but I think fractal design is better value and better compatibility.
x62 Kraken is consider as stardard or common AIO? I would like to know how much clearance left if it's installed
How about Metallic Gear Neo Mini..
I feel like they couldve shrunk the width substantially more but other than that its a great looking case
Hi! what do you think is the best noctua air cooler that could fit in this case?
Before wanting to go ITX I got the ftw3 which significantly reduces the number of ITX cases I can use.
It not large like a nzxt phantom right mine weights about 80 pounds so this is an upgrade then?
The biggest selling point to me is the ability to use the huge dark rock pro 4 or nhd15 tower cooler with this case that allows full bore overclock in itx config if you feel uncomfortable with potential Aio leak over time and their RGB version in white looks pretty boss. Thanks for the Great VID