I’d expect a TH-camr with over 1 million subscribers to gain more recognition in the comments. But this is 8 years ago, so I guess you weren’t that popular back then.
It's interesting to think that botw is the only Zelda game in like 25+ years to not have the Hookshot or anything like it in the game. It's one of those items that seems like it would have fit into the climbing aesthetic really well too.
@@a_person4742 not necessarily: shrines are basically the only places where Link can't climb any walls, so it wouldn't be a leap to make the hookshot unable to latch onto anything in them as well
Well how about THIS MatPat? What kind of damage is inflicted in Smash Bros. when Link uses the Hookshot to reel people in?! Not ONLY are they being dragged towards Link with great force, but the hookshot is ALSO piercing their armor/skin.
Spencer B, No, I said that I am commenting less and will almost exclusively be commenting on the videos of my friends, channels that I am directly involved with, and channels that appreciate that I am being a part of their community.
RockinTheSocks People who tend to lift have really big upper muscles, but they forgot most times to also strengthening the leg muscles. Big upper body, tiny winy legs.
I can only imagine how many pointless angry "IT'S JUST A GAME" and "IT'S FANTASY" comments you must be getting... Whenever I talk about video game weapons and their practicality (or lack thereof) in real life there is plenty of that. But analyzing games like that is just hilarious. It has entertainment value, just like games and fantasy in general. Great video!
yeah i know, but some games are suppose to be based on our world's physics, like batman. Maybe its possible in there since we can actually calculate mass and height properly instead of converting pixels into them. Thats always one of my favorite parts of game theory but it leaves you with ridiculous proportions. Just look at wario lol xD
I was just thinking towards the end of the video how it reminded me of some of your own takes on fantasy weapon and tool designs, Skall. I just wanna say that I appreciate what both you and Game Theory bring to the table. Thank you both for all the work you put into your videos.
+notbobby125 thats the part where the theory falls apart: link is more duable than a human. dont forget he can jump from extreme high platforms and it doesnt kill him, he loses just life energie. i miss that point for this theory because its a critical poiunt to aknowledge.
+notbobby125 Watch the video closer. He STOPS IN MID AIR before he hits the wall or whatever. That destroys the theory cause apparently physics don't work.
that will not only shatter his skull totally from the top to the lower Neck followed by spinal regions ie. Most of his upper body but also squish his brain into strawberry juice with a lot of ketchup
AHAH, BUT ONE THING YOU DIDNT FACTOR IN HERE... You didnt factor in that being moved so fast in so short of a time, his body would still be accelerated at that speed so he wouldnt just stop he would slam insanely hard into the wall and probably break nearly all his bones he would be injured EVEN WORSE than you said xD
He would decelerate so fast... From 45 mph to 0 in a fraction of a second. Link would die, hard. The bones would break, including shoulder and most likely ribcage, and the fragments would lodge in his organs. Like MatPat said, "No amount of Red Potion is going to fix that!"
This is how math teachers should teach us. Use video games as story problems instead of the "Dequan and Fernando want to know how many apples they would have if they dropped 1/3."
True I had a question in 3rd grade saying you have 100 watermelons and can cut each into 10 pieces how many pieces does each person get if there 1000 people
Link doesn't look like he's human though, so maybe his body is much tougher than a human's which would allow him to use such a device. Also could be a metal that's unique to Hyrule and isn't that heavy and yet still strong.
He is a Hylian, wich is de recurring race of humans (wikia: Hylian). But the theaory of a unique metal in Hyrule is the best. As we know, there is 3 pure metals in Phantom Hourglass, meaning that there are unique metals. We know that in SW the clawshots are the treasure (?) form the godness to the hero. Godness --> god --> mythical and mysterius objects. With this in mind we can say (as a theory) that de clawshots are made of with a unique magic/mythical metal. But... are they the same of the TP? If we assume as an answer 'yes' then... what about the others? The other ones are diferent (with the same concept). The hookshot has a single point (the tip) and the clawshots is like a claw (duh). I can't think right now of how they appeared, but if I get a theroy and if you are interested, I will tell it.
Or it could be that strictly in the context of OOT/ TP, the Triforce of Courage allows Link's body to take damage and regenerate at a faster rate. There was actually a theory about this on ZU a few years back. Not that I think it's canon, but interesting nonetheless. The ToC doesn't really do anything specific that the player can see in OOT.
Marshall Bornn The description of your comment: A complete dumbass who shouldn't even be here if he actually thinks fans of a game won't talk about said game and insist on adding his fuckboy troll comment.
Link not being human is a good theory,just look at how much force his body can stand when he's blocking and absoring the impact of objects to magical attacks to things that would even give Superman a run for his money.
2 things I'd like to bring up for the validity of Link being able to use the Long Shot from Ocarina of Time 1) Link has super human strength, being able to push an over 9 ton block of stone. For instance, the stone blocks in the Fire Temple are approximately double the size of Link. with a cubic meter of generic stone weighing in at a whopping 2,515kg, we determine that the block would weigh around 8551kg, which is over 18,800lbs. Being able to exert that much force requires tremendous strain on muscles, ligaments, and tendons, yet Link is able to move them with a few grunts, without the use of the Silver or Gold Gauntlets 2) What if the material of the Long Shot was made by a different metal than a steel alloy? Scandium and Beryllium are similar to steal with hardness and tinsel strength, but are much less dense. If we assumed the Long Shot was made with Scandium, the tool would weigh about 64lbs. If it was made out of Beryllium, it would weigh approximately 40lbs. With these weights, it would be more in the realm of possibility for the Long Shot to be able to function without permanently damaging the user
I like to imagine the hookshot and it's variations are similar to a slinky but made out of a very resistant mythical metal, so instead of being ruined like a slinky that's bent out of shape it retracts back similar to a measuring tape, so after the hook piece gets stuck in a wall it pulls the user to it, since there isn't enough force to itself out of the wall and the metal can't bend to relieve the tension that's been created, though I have no idea how or what initially launched the hook out, maybe a magic gun powder? 😂😂😂
And the recoil may be different as it appears to be a coil in/around the barrel and that design style may be a choice to lessen the recoil from firing.
Assuming Link managed to Keep hold of the Hookshot (also assuming he's as squishy as MatPat would Imply) You have to wonder, Flying at a stone wall at 20 m/s, How much damage does Link sustain from Slamming into said stone wall?
Good points. My thing is Link has the Golden Gaunlets, which gives him super strength all over his body as you can see him picking up granite blocks several times his height. Strength in muscle mass means strength in durability, making Matt claims inaccurate at some points. He's super durable, I mean he can survive high falls and bombs in his face
Yeah, he can do that at 4 Hearts and before the boosts from the Golden and Silver Gauntlets, he can already pick up run with and even swing the Megaton Hammer as Adult Link without either Strength boosting item, and it's solid steel. Pretty much anything applied to Adult Link on OoT can be applied to his child form in both OoT and Majora's Mask as they are exactly the same person, though the physical strength may take a few years to come fully online. What's probably missing from this video in the intelligence part, is how in some games, Link is able to use some items during combat to completely destroy otherwise challenging enemies almost instantly. Minish Cap is a big example, as that game's Link is able to use items to exploit enemy weaknesses, so much that Gibdo become Stalfos and 2D Stalfos are pathetic compared to 2D Gibdo. Link is an expert tactician able to exploit his enemies' weaknesses, this is most easily recognized when combat becomes a puzzle rather than simply waiting for obvious weak point to show and hammering away at it.
Threadnaught Link is always accompany by a partner: OoT: Navi, Wind Waker: King of Red Lions, Twilight: Midna, Skyward: Fi, etc. They are can contribute to his intelligent department like you mentioned. They are like Jarvis to Iron Man, or Oracle to Batman. One thing to that I forgot to mentioned that you slightly covered. Child Link can't use the hookshot, maybe he lacks the strength?
Well, Link's arms are probably fine. He has the goron's bracelet by the time you get the water temple, so his arms can withstand a far greater force. For the rest of it, it may be that the bracelet acts as a damper, reducing the overall force exerted on his body. Also, let's not forget that Link is chilling with a Fairy. A species which in the LoZ universe can resurrect someone from death, or as close as to make little difference. It may be a different variety, as Navi never actually saves you (something I've wondered about... maybe because she would have to sacrifice herself and thus could no longer act as Link's guide) but she's in all likelihood got access to some sort of magic, e.g. being able to detect enemies' weak spots. Even more so as by the time he acquires the hookshot, he has the Triforce of Courage. This is not a standard Hylian boy we're dealing with. In fact, it isn't anyway. This is a boy who can run for days carrying a sackful of, as was established in the video, items that are far heavier then him, even climbing with this shit. Even as a child, in the range of what, 5-10? Not super important, but he was able to wield swords and shields able to best the minions of Ganondorf, or just evil in general, who were at least sufficiently powerful that the most powerful warriors of the various castes you meet (Goron, Kokiri, Zora) cant shift it. And the Gorons at least seem a capable bunch. This doesn't invalidate anything said in the video, it's just that clearly Link IS able to wield the hookshot consistently, and accomplish other superhuman feats. Maybe being the hero of time has some unexpected benefits? For that matter, what happened to him while he was in the Temple of Time for 10 years (or so, I don't remember.) Before this, you accomplished extraordinary feats, like defeating the various dungeon bosses, but the items you get are fairly mundane, such as a slingshot and deku nuts. Then after, the real crazy shit starts to come out, lugging around over 20 bombs with no clear means of storage. Could this be a result of the power of the Temple of Time? It's clearly not just time travel or he'd still be Young Link. Is it the Triforce of Courage? Could it maybe be like Majora's Mask, all in Link's head? I have my own prefered solution, which is that Ganondorf remade the world in his image, using the power, at least of the Triforce of Power. While not up to it's full potential, he would conceivably have some influence over the nature of the world. Clearly, as a man constrained by physical laws, his power was limited, but the Triforce of Power allowed him to... bend that a little. This, as the triforce can remake the WORLD in the image of the user, not the user themselves, would mean that anyone with sufficient will could maybe accomplish similar feats. I may be talking out of my ass, but remember where this comment is. And here, we give proper considerations to people's opinions, even if it is just a theory. A GAME THEORY! Thanks for reading!
bowser jr yes the science is all right.. but the basic fact that he ignores the fact that steel is heavier than iron despite mocking the iron boots is one thing. but loz is in a place that has magic and magic items. there is no amount of science that can explain the master sword. and link is an hylian not human.
bowser jr a human that has been chosen to be the hero by the gods that has magic abilities gained by great fairies. because all humans have that privlage.
Thing is "average human being" probably couldn't take a behemoth strike from some of the forces Link can . Why not use his "hearts" to judge just how much trauma Link's body can take. For instance, he can be struck with a sword 40 times straight on before he perishes. That should say a lot about how much his body can actually take. The durability of his body and the amount of force it can take is probably one of the reasons he could use something like this.
the impact of a sword's blade striking isn't all that impressive to be honest. it will barely dent platemail on the thinner spots. now a hammer on the other hand (or any other top heavy weapon) would be much more impressive on the impact force. you can generate more impact with a top-thick wooden club (not some stick you try to pass as a club) than you can with a sword but then again link doesn't wear much in terms of armor so the slashing is what he should focus on more
Rafael Dracofuchs considering he also fights giants and mythical beings which I'm sure pack a wallop(such as something giant). Not to forget being hit by lazers and fire balls and mini explosions too. That's some trauma. It would basically take around 40 explosions to his face to take out all his hearts. THAT is some durability.
We already have a measure of how Link's body reacts to large accelerations in the form of fall damage. We could use height of the fall to calculate velocity when hitting the ground, and use the amount of hearts to measure how much he's hurt from different levels of acceleration.
OP is very much correct. Either way the "theory" is wrong. Either the "REAL" theory is "How strong IS Link as the Legendary Hero ?" Or the question of "How then does the Hookshot work given the lack of all this?" To say delving into thoery/history/legacy as to what enchantments would have gone into making it so as to why it has no apparent recoil to speak of (like a rocket RPG) And is by all appearence gravity wish weightless despite carrying full momentum.
Casual racism is the cherry on top of the sundae. Also, considering Ganon is the actual green man here, your comment confused me for a second and I had to read it again.
Well, it's a good thing Link is part of the magical race known as the Hylians, plus the extra power boost from being the bearer of the Triforce of Courage helps and most likely, the Hookshot and the Longshot would be made of one of the 3 Pure Metals (Crimsonine, Azurine and Aquanine) found in the Zelda universe, which when combined forge the Phantom Sword, a greatsword so light that even our Tiny Toon hero can wield it with 1 hand. The sword is literally the length of Link's body, with a very thick blade. So, with the combination of a magical body, Triforce powers and extra-light and uber-hard, yet not easily shattered metals, we should get a much better result. The metals used are also not common, which might be the reason why not a single adept mage is using the Hookshot or Longshot.
Not only that, but the blade of the Phantom Sword is the same color as the hook shot hook and chain, which are heaviest parts according to the video. That would make sense I suppose, also adding that there are only two spring loaded weapons like this in the OoT
Robert Reynolds Plus, the Hookshot is without a doubt a magical weapon. There is no way a spring that can fit in that tube can launch a hook that far and pull you there. It's either some complicated technology or magic.
I agree that there is magic to it, but Dampe literally refers to it a spring loaded. So maybe some special enchanted spring? haha, the possibilities are endless
Hell, even the act of firing it at something too far away, causing it to violently reach the end of its spool and snap back, would be devastating to Link.
Lazy Bear Underwater, the increased fluid drag of the water slows down the launch of the projectile as well as lowers its top speed, making Link more likely to survive the forces.
i was going to comment that. cuz, if hes at 20 metres per second, the impact force should be enough to kill himm, plus the fact that centrifugal force on a bend might cause him to actually impale himself on the metal HOOK! Also, where is all that chain comming from? all that helical cartridge isnt enough to hold all that!
Its so satisfying and wholesome to see how much game theory has evolved and where it started. Also MatPat in his twenties had some interesting sense of humour
You forgot the sudden deceleration. When Link reaches his destination, there is no visible inertia. That means that the rest of his body now slams forward less than a second after a backwards slam of equal force. I'm no genius, and I am armed only with basic physics knowledge and my logic (no maths), but this would probably do most of these things to him: Send his eyes flying out of their sockets, make him lose bowel , urinary and stomach control, making him pee, poo, and toss his cookies simultaneously, possibly send his organs flying through his rib cage, getting cut up into slices in the process, destroy every fragile little bone in both his ears, slam his brain into his skull for the second time, shatter every bone in his legs and maybe his hips too, and let's not even talk about the internal hemorrhaging.
That's what I was thinking too, except maybe not in so much gross detail. If he's travelling at 20m/s then that's like 72km/hr so when he reaches his destination he's basically slamming into a brick wall practically head first at 72 km/hr. That's got to do as much if not more damage than everything else mentioned in his video.
As a physics major I enjoy your mathy episodes. But you've neglected one thing, that being inertia. An object in motion will stay in motion unless a force is acted upon it. How exactly is the hero of time suppose to slow to a halt as he is soaring to his destination? In all likelyhood when the long shot completely retracts, Link's body would remain in motion causing him to overshoot his target and lose grip of the long shot. I doubt he would be able to slow himself down from 20 m/s with a broken arm/wrist. Link's target would have to be directly above him so gravity could bring him to rest after traveling a vertical hight of 20.4 meters(I did the math). Anything other than 90 degrees(directly above him), Link will fly by the target in the horizontal direction or crash into a wall. lol
This was something I thought of as well - having been moving at 20g's towards a solid object he would be obliterated by the impact. Dead. End of story. His internal organs would be crushed inside his body as it flattened against whatever object pulled him. XD
Slight correction; I gave it some more thought when I went to bed last night. Gravity would only slow him down if the force of the longshot varies while retracting. After grabbing my 3ds and inserting ocarina, I noticed that the force is constant until the long shot completely retracts no matter the direction. This fact means he would continue moving 20m/s, no matter the direction, after the longshot recoils. It can be resulted that even if link attaches it to a platform directly above him, he would actually launch himself 20.4 additional meters in the verical! (assuming he loses grip) remember this is when gravity is completely working against his motion. Any other direction would be a lot more devestating
Ok, but bear with me for a second (pun intended, it’ll make sense soon, I hope) If one considers that Hyrule is a place that exists/existed/will existo n Earth, then one should also assume that each day/night cycle should last 24 hours, right? However, according to Zelda’s Wiki, each day on Ocarina of Time (OoT) lasts ~2,5 Real Life minutes (I’ll call them RL, for short), and each night lasts ~1,3 RL minutes. So, we could say that each OoT Hour during the Day lasts something around 12 RL Seconds, and each OoT Hour during the Night lasts about 6 RL Seconds In that case, after some magical rule of three math, one could conclude that ONE RL Second represents 300 OoT DAY Seconds and 600 OoT NIGHT Seconds. Now things start to get weird/interesting. Let’s talk about Day Time only, for now. The Longshot travels roughly at 20m/RL Second, which we now know represents around 300 OoT Seconds. Being so, the Longshot is, in fact, traveling 20 Meters in 300 OoT Seconds, not in 1 Second - in one OoT second, it travels only 0,03 Meters and thus its acceleration equals 0,03 m/(s^2). Throwing all of this in F = m X a, we now have F = 86kg (already brilliantly calculated by The Game Theorists) X 0,03 m/(s^2): Longshot’s Force applied over Link while it’s being fired is only around 2,58 Newtons during the day (even less during the night: 1,29 N). I’m pretty sure I’m ignoring a lot of important things here, but still, moving on. With all that said, one could finally infer a few things: 1) Link could, theoretically, fire the Longshot (and be pulled by it) without having his bones and internal organs crushed 2) Link is, in fact, an EXTREMELY slow hero and the whole game had to be accelerated so that we wouldn’t die before being able to finish it 3) Link's so clumsy that he goes even slower at night so that he won't accidently trip on something while running. 4) I believe that if one would also calculate the actual force applied by Link when he swings his sword, one would also find out that, actually, every enemy in Hyrule is really really weak/breakable and/or that Link’s weapons are actually made of some crazy powerful stuff 5) All of this without even mentioning that there are some places in Hyrule where time stops, and that's creepy and I won't test my really weak math skills in that territory
Okay, this comment is amazing and should have many more likes than it does. Clap and a half to you. You have discovered Legend of Zelda's big secret. :P :) :D Though at the same time... the actual regular citizens of Hyrule move even slower than Link does. How would that apply this this formula? haha.
I like this, but one point to consider: depending on your latitude and the season, day and night are not necessarily the same length. if link is at the right latitude and it is summer in his hemisphere, there would be no change in the time dilation of day vs night.
....Please, can you do a video on the 3D maneuver gear from Attack on Titan? Maybe on your Film Theory channel? ....please. This video just makes me want it more.
***** Yeah, but you get all the fun added bonuses of the force required to puncture various surfaces, the retraction of the device in a second or less, the physics of the (probably steel) cords retracting back into the holster... People have been severely injured and maimed by their dog leashes snapping off the collar and retracting (you know, those nylon retractable kinds?)--what horrific damage would those wires do comparatively? Than there's the way the belts are meant to evenly distribute the force used to pull the fighter along the cables so no one body part is taking all the weight (like Link's arm in this video), but that doesn't account for organ damage from acceleration and deceleration. While we don't know the exact materials used in building either the towns or the walls, especially because we don't even know if SNK takes places on some version of Earth or not, the walls have been called 'as tough as bedrock' and have withstood over a century's worth of battering by the Titans outside Wall Maria. Bedrock can be made up of many different rock types, but is generally used to determine building foundations and bridge anchors, and has been known to withstand the passing of glaciers in some cases. However, the prongs of the 3DMG pierce through them with ease. We've also seen them hook into trees, wooden structures, Titans, and Samson's foot. ....Mm. That was a fun scene... Anyway, all this conjecture is fun! Even if I do get the gist of it already, it would be fun to watch a video on it, too. And I have a feeling MatPat could make a hilarious and fun topic out of it.
Pearl Carol there are quite a lot of anime theories that Film theory could do, I'm looking to see if Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V's Solid Vision system is possible xD or if Star Trek's Holodeck would be possible. as for the AOT gear, I'd like to see that too lol
Sparkling Shuffle Yes, which makes the gear even more improbable because of the added force upon impact every time they stop and land on a building or tree or titan. It isn't just momentum, it's propelled. How fun would it be to look into those theoretical injuries? Like getting into a carwreck without the frame to absorb the impact... :3
He's also got the triforce of courage and whatever the crap that actually does to him. Not to mention the hookshot itself, being that it wasn't made specifically for link, likely has some sort of dampening system within it to assist in softening the recoil and yank caused by the hookshot itself.
Also, Link would rocket into the object with no possible way of stopping. His body will hit the surface so hard it will deliver the blow to finish Link.
Except, he doesn't keep his momentum upon reaching the target, he just stops. Which begs the question, what forces are exacted upon his body then? Not only is his body being accelerated from 0-45 mph in a fraction of a second, he is then immediately stopping from 45-0. I expect this would produce similar results as when he is pulled, further damaging his spine and internal organs.
Argetbrisingr101 In addition it would require some kind of full-body suit, as he in no way possible can absorb the amount of energy required to stop his momentum through his now broken, pulled and dislocated wrist and shoulder... And that would further increase his mass...
Clawshot isn't as powerful. The claw is less mass than the hook/spear, and thechain isn't as long. Not to mention you could reason that the extra mass in between the handle and the claw is absorbing the launch force and exerting magic over Link's body to minimize the acceleration forces.
No, they did not add noe because (1) they ran out of buttons to link permanant abilities to, and (2) that means it wouldn,t be permenant. i can see that going very badly.
0:10 Majora’s Mask: “Am I a joke to you?” (the ocarina also plays a HUGE role in that game, for those who don’t get it, maybe even more so than Ocarina of Time.”
AH, DARKNESS!! Darkness, everyone! Also, not as dark as Link is Dead... or 5N@F theory... or Companion Cubes are people. That one really gave me the creeps.
Wait did he account for the stop of the grappling hook because I learned form his other video the stop of the momentum for 45 mph to zero would probably break his skull
@Nick Moore kill a person? even in his luckiest day kill him and squish most of his upper body leaving behind ruptured internals and shattered bones in a bag of skin,Thats the lucky day
Actually, he said that it was only IMPORTANT in one game. In MM you just kinda have it. It puts little emphasis on the Ocarina of Time in MM (and Link's Awakening)
Oh dear, Game Theory, you didn't pay attention in physics class this time. A couple observations: -The force exerted by the chain upon Link's arm would vary with what mass per unit length (excluding the "head" or "grip" or whatever) was, at the time, being extended. The force, therefore, is non-constant; and is applied to Link's arm over the course of the extension of the Hookshot, considering that the velocity at which the chain is shot is somewhat constant. (Let me tell you now, you need calculus to derive an equation for the force exerted over time. Although you're probably aware that it would be a differential parametric equation.) -Even if you disregarded that, and approximated the overall force that Link would need to exert, it still wouldn't break his arm. Why? Well, because of a funny little thing called impulse. The force of 12000 Newtons required to break a human hand is a calculation based off of an arbitrary, but extremely small, distance (and time) over which the force is exerted. However, the TOTAL (estimatory) force of ~17000 N that Link must counteract to remain still would be over the course of, as you said, an entire second. When one thinks of breaking a hand, it's something like a fall, or getting hit by a baseball bat. And although there is undoubtedly a threshold of force which defines the ambiguous maximum force human bones can take, the deformation of a bone (which is, incidentally, a conversion of kinetic energy) would still depend, at least to an extent, on the impulse that would otherwise be the consequence of that force. Obviously, these are just estimations, and I could very well still be wrong. I'm merely observing that something of a shoddy job was done this time around. Although good job calculating the volume of the hook; that must have been miserable.
***** The point is that the impulse of firing should only be applied to the hook itself. While the chain is subject to a much longer application of force over the 1sec duration of it being extended. This isn't a regular harpoon where all the impulse is fired at the beginning. If it were like this, the speed would decrease as the chain was pulled out. But with the Hookshot, everything is going at constant speed. Therefore, the chain must be continuously pushed out by the handle so as not to drag on the hook.
AJ Nowell or carbon fiber. If you wanted to make the situation more realistic the Longshot would use a cable like aircraft cable. Much lighter and smaller
pws3rd 1 that is a very good question because it requires very high heat but hen again this is Zelda, where a chicken can make you glide, so that’s a good question
If MatPat didn't say "Just gonna let that one sit there for a second." I wouldn't have realized what he said at 9:42... "How is this guy possibly keeping this massive thing in his pants?!" XD
So I know it's all fun and games using real world physics on a fantasy video game where they would not apply... it's still a fascinating analysis of how things like this would work for real. That said... I'd like to see this one done again. Something that keeps getting brought up is how these forces affect the human body. Except Link isn't human, he's Hylian. Keeping in mind the Hookshot's a 169 lb lump of steel, he's also carrying, potentially, two swords, two shields, a boomerang, a bow with 50 arrows, 40 bombs, 50 bombchus, the iron boots, filled potion bottles, and a bunch of other little bits and baubles. Putting aside where he KEEPS it all... what's the weight of all that? Cause he's running around with it. What kind of bone structure and muscle mass does that require, and if that can be found, use that to see what damage the Hookshot really would do. Cause I get the feeling if the elf's beast enough to haul all that around, the force of the Longshot's not going to do so much.
That's nothing compared to Twilight Princess Link. He carries up to _90_ bombs and 60 arrows at any one time, as well as not one, but _Two_ claw shots, two shields, two swords, an ancient stone and metal spinning top half the size of his body, a _massive_ steel ball and chain, his own set of iron boots, a set of armor that slows him down as much as the iron boots if he's not carrying around any rupees, the dominion rod... Heck, in TP he can carry around up to 1000 rupees. Imagine how much _that_ would weigh (and then, of course, imagine how much a full, max sized wallet in Winder Waker would weigh).
JaMaAuWright He isn't holding an extra shield and sword minda is as shown though after collecting them both but still the chain and ball I think that it would rip his arm off for throwing it
7:00 The reason he cant walk around in the boots yet he can carry the hookshot with ease is because he has the gorons bracelet, giving him better arm strength! :)
As i kept watching through this video, you repeatedly forgot about links arsenal being able to help him with all of these problems. Check the facts again matpat.
MatPat likes to use the circumstance where nothing is counteracting physics, like on his minecraft diamond armor vid, he never included enchantments to the armor, such as protection, unbreaking and other form of protection which would go against the armor breaking from certain blows from different weapons.
EndermanFinisher Exactly. I think it would be cool if he did a follow up to videos like these while adding in all of these variables and how they would change the outcome.
The bracelet, though strong enough to pull bombs and bushes from the ground, likely wouldn't be enough to carry the longshot with such ease, let alone using it on a regular basis. At best, he'd need the silver gauntlets, which he wouldn't even be able to use until he was an adult.
You missed something... There's all that acceleration, great, but what about when Link gets to the other side of the pit? He still has to make a very sudden and abrupt STOP. I'm surprised you didn't discuss that.
The most important part of this theory is: Don't grab a LoZ hookshoot unless you have a power bracelet or power glove. Otherwise you're going to get destroyed. Thanks for the tip Matt
Where are you getting your math from? And have you bothered to consider that Link's body is an elf, not a human? Elves possessed inhuman abilities, such as speed, strength, agility, and endurance. You keep talking about a human body. Link is beyond human. This doesn't even factor in the powerful relics Link carries around with him all the time, which amplify his abilities further.
*Cracks knuckles* Alright, when it comes to having the Longshot and how much damage it can do to Link, things look pretty bleak. HOWEVER, at your game footage, I noticed Link was wearing his golden gauntlets. The golden gauntlets, albeit a very mediocre metal at best aside from assisting in electronics, grants Link actually quite a bit of strength and endurance. How much endurance? Well, using some math that I found, Link can withstand over 1,000 tons of pressure wearing those beasts. That would be more than enough not only to compensate for the weight of the longshot, but it would greatly reduce the damage caused by the g-forces caused by the sudden pull of the longshot when it retracts, leaving the Hylian a bit woozy, but not blind and, well, dead. "BUT MAGICIAN! LINK GETS THE LONGSHOT BEFORE THE GOLDEN GAUNTLETS! HE'D STILL DIE!", I hear some comment replies say, but fear not gentle reader, for Link has yet another trick up his green sleeve - The Goron's Bracelet that he receives as a child. This bracelet amplifies Child Link's strength to a point where he can lift up Bomb Flowers from the ground. While, yes, you can say that the can't wear this as an adult, considering the fact that Link barely flinches when he uses the Longshot even before he acquires even the Silver Gauntlets, it's safe to assume he still wears this as an adult. This would also increase his strength modestly even as an adult to point where he can lift the Megaton Hammer. A megaton weight's an incredible 1,000,000 pounds! And link slams that monster down several times! It's safe to assume, even without the Golden Gauntlets and just the Goron's Bracelet, Link is strong enough to withstand the force from the Longshot.
The Dream Warden I'd have agreed with you, had you not overlooked somethings. On the G.G.'s, every source I have read specifically mentions the item increasing STRENGTH not bodily endurance. Thus, it is safe to say that they only increase his strength magically when lifting or taking a blow whilst holding his shield so it doesn't break his arm (A common occurrence with shield-using knights when not strong enough or prepared for a blow). It is easy to assume then, that the shot would still affect Link. Secondly, on the concepts of g-force, since as stated above the G.G. wouldn't increase endurance, Link would still be affected by the forces of acceleration brought on his body, especially considering g-force affects the body as a whole whilst in motion, and not just his arm. Yes, as a Hylian, his biology is different from human biology, but from what we have seen it is still close enough to be heavily affected by g-force. And finally, on the Megaton Hammer, it doesn't weigh a megaton. From the sources I've read (Various wikis and Zelda official sources in case you were wondering) the hammer is actually made of steel. It is only called "megaton" as a nickname, mostly due to the shockwave it gives off as it hits the ground. So, based on the words typed above, he may not die, but he'll still be disabled or worse from a shot. Even if he is a Hylian, he is still vulnerable to injury. And to those speaking of mithril (Which by the way is silver-like, negating the possibility that the LS is made of it since it is dull and grayish) and mystical metals, there isn't any in the Zelda world as of now. The "Pure Metals" of Pha. Hour. are referred to as steel. The magical weapons are enchanted or blessed/imbued with power. The "master ores" are the only possible concept of special metals, and they are in one game and only for that games Master Sword to be upgraded. Thus, since no specialized metal has been mentioned even up to present games, it is safe to assume there isn't any in the Zelda Universe unless a new game proves otherwise.
Not exactly true. There is no reason for us to go to school when stuff like this can be taught via the internet. We are in a day and age where we shouldn't have to be in person with our instructors for subjects like math, English and and science
Just gonna point this out, hylians tend to be more durable than would be considered possible for humans. Not only that but I imagine that the hookshot wouldn't be made of any KNOWN material. This is a land of magic and stuff. It's likely made of something super strong yet super light.
Cynical Knight Samiel Yeah... but still... we have to know what it is or it wouldn't be possible to actually do the math to figure it out... but it is a theory based on real life physics n stuff so... if we knew the in game material and how much it weighed/density and all that, then we... actually they, would use that to figure it out... (I refuse to be... actually if I was offered to be in these videos I might have taken it... but I wasn't, I'm too lazy to do that on my own, and yeah.)
Density is not how much an object’s weight. Density is and I quote “the degree of compactness of a substance” and you get it by doing mass divided by volume, but what something weighs is just how much force gravity has on you.
@@alanzavlick8045 you have all the pieces here, but I don't think you're putting them together quite right. Like you said: density = mass / volume Solving for mass means: mass = density * volume The volume is constant, (the size and shape isn't changing) meaning if density increases, mass necessarily also increases. Weight is mass times the force of gravity, which is also constant. Meaning, objects with a higher density will always weigh more (with the same forever of gravity)
I think it has todo more about how long the chain is... 20 meters of any metal knew to men is going to be very heavy... Also the force the hook needs to travel that fast with all that chain
Shimadamada I Need Healing No it doesn’t? Steel is denser than pure iron. Iron has a density of 7,860 kilograms per cubic metre, steel has a density of 8,050 kilograms per cubic metre.
Okay, about the arm breaking thing, you're forgetting the power bracelet could stop his arm from being ripped out, in a world of fantasy, you can't stress too much logic onto this, so I'd say this wouldn't be much of a strong theory.
Neil O'Reilly In OoT there is a power bracelet, silver gauntlets and golden gauntlets. That being said, I'm pretty sure you can only wear the power bracelet as a child and you are able to use the hookshot before you get the silver gauntlets.
25 reasons Link is not human: 1. He has the pocket capacity of a parking garage. 2. He is multi-incarnate (last I checked, I can't do that). 3. Link falls into pits or from incredible heights losing only up to one heart at best. In some games, he even falls down floors without taking any damage like A Link to the Past. 4. Link instantly knows how to play musical instruments or use weapons on picking them up without any prior experience. 5. Link is never affected by injuries, he could be at twenty hearts or one heart left but will still keep fighting normally. 6. He heaves a ball and chain in Twilight Princess. How does that not affect him anymore when he puts it away. 7. He can switch between his normal and iron boots on mind command because... magic! 8. Link can target five targets with his boomerang in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. No physics explanation? 9. Link can lift granite with the Golden Gauntlets but he leans it towards him, but since he has it focused on lifting it up how is he preventing it from crushing him when the granite is towards his body directly? 10. He uses magic (the green bar). Definitely not a human trait. 11. Link can jump up to two to three times his height in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess jumping over enemies. Those are some leg muscles! 12. Link doesn't need sleep or isn't affected by it. He stays up for 72 straight hours in Majora's Mask. 13. Link can use Deku Sticks as his most powerful sword attack in Ocarina of Time as a kid like against Queen Gohma because... it brings out his inner child for more energy? 14. When Link pulls out bombs in Ocarina of Time what does he light them up with? He's got no fire items on him. 15. Pieces of heart and heart containers increase his health. Why rigorous training and regular combat experience doesn't do this is beyond me. 16. When Link shoots arrows, they fly in a straight line without gravity affecting it. That must be one strong bow for how much pressure Link is putting onto it! How strong is Link for him to do that? 17. Link has survived a crash into a castle in Wind Waker. 18. Link is yanked to the ceiling in Twilight Princess by magnetic boots. If it was able to pull him up, weight and everything from a distance on a platform, how much leg power is needed to put one foot in front of another with a magnetic force that strong? 19. I can understand Link pushing the big metallish blocks in Ocarina of Time, but he seems to dig his hands underneath them when he pulls it back? How in the world... 20. Link can use a shield so well in Ocarina of Time he can bounce back nuts from Deku Scrubs in the exact same trajectory and speed from where it was hit from. 21. Link CAN roll sideways in Twilight Princess and Wind Waker and uppercut with his sword in less than a second because... uhh... 22. He is incapable of getting sliced in half. This is evident from being sliced from Ganon's large, sharp weapons in Ocarina of Time and the axe from the Iron Knuckles in the Spirit Temple. 23. Pressure doesn't affect him underwater. Pressure can kill a human around 350 feet. Before you bring up the Zora Tunic, remember that Link can use Iron Boots with his Kokiri Tunic and still manage the feat. 24. Link has incredible manipulative powers through his eyes. He just stands in front of people and they tell him deep, confidential stuff. (This one is just a joke and subjective, but still... it is something). 25. And finally, the longshot.
Oh, that number 1. Classic. Keeping spare clothes, shield, boots, sword (bigger than him even), bombs, bombchus, arrows, magic arrows, 4 bottles (bigger than his hand), longshot and instrument is pretty normal for people right?
Goobi Shloobi Actually, he's a Hylian, like Zelda and most of the other characters in most of the Zelda series. They explained it after you beat the Forest Temple in OoT.
True.. Another thing i think is that he didn't feel the need to say it because we all know what would happen next.. Nothing like a bloody splat to end a game right?
***** Yeah but that's like saying this video should be 5 seconds long with Matt patt just saying "Link dies in a bloody splat, but that's just a theory, a game theory"
The problem with this whole theory is this is based on the assumption the material is made of steel. The longshot may either not be made of steel. It could an element or substance not on this Earth. Or it could have magic properties That said, I love the efforts of how far you guys go with this in calculations and deep thinking.
Also, what if the hook shot is made out of titanium? Titanium is only 60% of the weight of steel and 45% the strength. It is very hard to rust, even in saltwater conditions.
Nathan Congdon Titanium shouldn't contain any iron in it, so technically it doesn't even rust. However, titanium does oxidize, but it the process would be so slow that Link would die of old age before the hookshot broke.
Maybe the long shot is made of vibranium and he's besties with tchala. No one knows how much vibranium weighs or its properties. /(0 o 0)\ but hey that's just a theory a game theory.
This is actually a lot more like the style of the older theories; they had less real life-application and more equations. i personally like both styles. :)
The water would certainly make it less effective as the velocity of the hook would be less due to the dampening force the water provides. This would decrease range and the depth that the hookshot would penetrate into its target. However, the acceleration of the hook and therefore link would be similar, causing the injuries that mat mentions in the video. Providing the fireing mechanism doesn't rely on fire (gunpowder or some other combustible) to launch the hook, it could theoretically work underwater as it works on land.
Not included: Water resistance (in the case of underwater areas only) Mass of the Master Sword Mass of the Hylian Shield Mass of EVERY OTHER ITEM LINK SOMEHOW MANAGES TO CARRY AROUND WITH HIM
This is to this day one of my favorite ever theories. It's just so fun and it uses my favorite editing style of all of them. We're gonna miss you matpat.
*MatPat says the Ocarina of Time was only in one game*
Majora's Mask: "Am I just a metaphor for death to you?"
@@kianparvaresh-ghajar7192 and Minish Cap
he said it was only a biggie in one game
not that it only was in one game
human bean The Ocarina of Time is actually used much more for traveling through time in Majora’s Mask than it is in Ocarina of Time, lol.
Actually, it's for 1 game, because it plays a major role in oot. But in Mm, it's only used for songs, and rewinding time.
I'm glad you're going back to this style of video. Lots of math and science, and best of all, actually a theory. Keep up the good work!
I’d expect a TH-camr with over 1 million subscribers to gain more recognition in the comments. But this is 8 years ago, so I guess you weren’t that popular back then.
@@The_Shimp i thought the same thing haha
only 2 replies!?
I like both types of theiories
wow pokemon guy
It's interesting to think that botw is the only Zelda game in like 25+ years to not have the Hookshot or anything like it in the game. It's one of those items that seems like it would have fit into the climbing aesthetic really well too.
It wouldvd broken a lot of shrines tbh
I’m sure it’ll be in the sequel!
@@a_person4742 not necessarily: shrines are basically the only places where Link can't climb any walls, so it wouldn't be a leap to make the hookshot unable to latch onto anything in them as well
@@a_person4742 From watching speedruns of botw, hookshots are the least of our concern
@@andym5280 haha yea, but i dont think wind bombs were intended
Well how about THIS MatPat? What kind of damage is inflicted in Smash Bros. when Link uses the Hookshot to reel people in?! Not ONLY are they being dragged towards Link with great force, but the hookshot is ALSO piercing their armor/skin.
DRAKE FOR PRESIDENT
2014
Where the heck is crossover?
You said you wouldn't comment anymore Drake.
You lied to us Drake. You lied to use.
I am waitin for ya guys to do a Game Theory about WWE Games.
Spencer B, No, I said that I am commenting less and will almost exclusively be commenting on the videos of my friends, channels that I am directly involved with, and channels that appreciate that I am being a part of their community.
***** Copy that.
>Can't wear properly Iron Boots
>Can carry the Hook Shoot with ease.
Never. Skip. Leg-Day!
JohrnyReport Okay, I see this reference all the time and have no idea what it means. Can you explain please?
RockinTheSocks People who tend to lift have really big upper muscles, but they forgot most times to also strengthening the leg muscles. Big upper body, tiny winy legs.
JohrnyReport
Ah, okay thanks for explaining.
JohrnyReport cant walk with iron boots, backflips with ease
JohrnyReport Link should ask Knuckles for help
Oh wait nvm.
I can only imagine how many pointless angry "IT'S JUST A GAME" and "IT'S FANTASY" comments you must be getting... Whenever I talk about video game weapons and their practicality (or lack thereof) in real life there is plenty of that.
But analyzing games like that is just hilarious. It has entertainment value, just like games and fantasy in general. Great video!
Skala!
Finally, something as ludicrous as Cloud's sword!
yeah i know, but some games are suppose to be based on our world's physics, like batman. Maybe its possible in there since we can actually calculate mass and height properly instead of converting pixels into them. Thats always one of my favorite parts of game theory but it leaves you with ridiculous proportions. Just look at wario lol xD
Skalllll you badass viking hippie slashing machine! :D
I was just thinking towards the end of the video how it reminded me of some of your own takes on fantasy weapon and tool designs, Skall. I just wanna say that I appreciate what both you and Game Theory bring to the table. Thank you both for all the work you put into your videos.
Damn, I learn more from Game Theory than any math classes I've been in.
Hey Bud again you watch GT (short for Game Theory) too
Bam Bam Alcaide XD Yep I do!
TheNextGenius this should be in history science math i learn more then any classes from Game Theory and its enjoyable
Well you probs wouldnt see this in a math class anyway bc this is mostly physics.
TheNextGenius SAME!
Wow. Links magic is strong enough to keep him uninjured during a hookshot launch but he cant utilize it in any way. Wow.
Might I point you towards his flurry rush ability in BOTW.
Ender k9 true
@@enderk9628 still haven't played BOTW :P
he can do that spinny magic thing
one of the main mechanics is magic though.
All this, and we haven't even considered what happens when Link smashes into that wall at the end HEAD FIRST.
or dips onto some rough ground while being pulled at incredible speed. maybe thats why mentor link in twilight princess didn't have skin?
+notbobby125 thats the part where the theory falls apart: link is more duable than a human. dont forget he can jump from extreme high platforms and it doesnt kill him, he loses just life energie. i miss that point for this theory because its a critical poiunt to aknowledge.
+notbobby125 Watch the video closer. He STOPS IN MID AIR before he hits the wall or whatever. That destroys the theory cause apparently physics don't work.
CONCUSSIONS! NO!
+notbobby125 I was literally just about to comment about the impact, great minds think alike I suppose.... ^ - ^
And link still hits his Head on the wall......
and doesnt get brain-damage or a concussion lmao.
And keeps his hat on
And his hair still looks perfectly normal and on fleek.
that will not only shatter his skull totally from the top to the lower Neck followed by spinal regions
ie. Most of his upper body but also squish his brain into strawberry juice with a lot of ketchup
Come on guys, he's a cartoon character
Came for the theory, stayed for the physics class
Do you own sams club? Me:
Goes to sams club for clothes. Gets food
As always
Looking back on old videos and seeing Ronnie's editing really hits you in the gut, doesn't it?
AHAH, BUT ONE THING YOU DIDNT FACTOR IN HERE...
You didnt factor in that being moved so fast in so short of a time, his body would still be accelerated at that speed so he wouldnt just stop he would slam insanely hard into the wall and probably break nearly all his bones
he would be injured EVEN WORSE than you said xD
He would decelerate so fast... From 45 mph to 0 in a fraction of a second. Link would die, hard. The bones would break, including shoulder and most likely ribcage, and the fragments would lodge in his organs. Like MatPat said, "No amount of Red Potion is going to fix that!"
He would be a sac of shattered bones and organs if he did not burst on impact.
ExplosiveCake1 A mosaic of red and green with sprinkles of yellow and brown plastered all over the side of a brick wall.
*****
That's freaking hilarious.
I love how the emote at the end makes it look like you find link being splattered across the wall hilarious...
This is how math teachers should teach us. Use video games as story problems instead of the "Dequan and Fernando want to know how many apples they would have if they dropped 1/3."
+FuzzyThePunkCat LOL YES
+FuzzyThePunkCat Yea, make it more interesting and easy to relate to ^-^
True I had a question in 3rd grade saying you have 100 watermelons and can cut each into 10 pieces how many pieces does each person get if there 1000 people
+Paolino Kang That's a lot of black people...
+Brandon Schemers DAMN
Link doesn't look like he's human though, so maybe his body is much tougher than a human's which would allow him to use such a device. Also could be a metal that's unique to Hyrule and isn't that heavy and yet still strong.
He is a Hylian, wich is de recurring race of humans (wikia: Hylian). But the theaory of a unique metal in Hyrule is the best. As we know, there is 3 pure metals in Phantom Hourglass, meaning that there are unique metals.
We know that in SW the clawshots are the treasure (?) form the godness to the hero. Godness --> god --> mythical and mysterius objects. With this in mind we can say (as a theory) that de clawshots are made of with a unique magic/mythical metal. But... are they the same of the TP? If we assume as an answer 'yes' then... what about the others?
The other ones are diferent (with the same concept). The hookshot has a single point (the tip) and the clawshots is like a claw (duh). I can't think right now of how they appeared, but if I get a theroy and if you are interested, I will tell it.
Or it could be that strictly in the context of OOT/ TP, the Triforce of Courage allows Link's body to take damage and regenerate at a faster rate. There was actually a theory about this on ZU a few years back. Not that I think it's canon, but interesting nonetheless. The ToC doesn't really do anything specific that the player can see in OOT.
Marshall Bornn The description of your comment: A complete dumbass who shouldn't even be here if he actually thinks fans of a game won't talk about said game and insist on adding his fuckboy troll comment.
Link not being human is a good theory,just look at how much force his body can stand when he's blocking and absoring the impact of objects to magical attacks to things that would even give Superman a run for his money.
MedIevalCyrax Well the magic yeah but objects aren't really a problem, superman has survived a supernova. Sorry had a geek moment there lol
2 things I'd like to bring up for the validity of Link being able to use the Long Shot from Ocarina of Time
1) Link has super human strength, being able to push an over 9 ton block of stone. For instance, the stone blocks in the Fire Temple are approximately double the size of Link. with a cubic meter of generic stone weighing in at a whopping 2,515kg, we determine that the block would weigh around 8551kg, which is over 18,800lbs. Being able to exert that much force requires tremendous strain on muscles, ligaments, and tendons, yet Link is able to move them with a few grunts, without the use of the Silver or Gold Gauntlets
2) What if the material of the Long Shot was made by a different metal than a steel alloy? Scandium and Beryllium are similar to steal with hardness and tinsel strength, but are much less dense. If we assumed the Long Shot was made with Scandium, the tool would weigh about 64lbs. If it was made out of Beryllium, it would weigh approximately 40lbs. With these weights, it would be more in the realm of possibility for the Long Shot to be able to function without permanently damaging the user
I like to imagine the hookshot and it's variations are similar to a slinky but made out of a very resistant mythical metal, so instead of being ruined like a slinky that's bent out of shape it retracts back similar to a measuring tape, so after the hook piece gets stuck in a wall it pulls the user to it, since there isn't enough force to itself out of the wall and the metal can't bend to relieve the tension that's been created, though I have no idea how or what initially launched the hook out, maybe a magic gun powder? 😂😂😂
And the recoil may be different as it appears to be a coil in/around the barrel and that design style may be a choice to lessen the recoil from firing.
And the chain doesn't have to be made of 100 percent steel, it can be mixed with other lighter materials like plastic, am i right?
Assuming Link managed to Keep hold of the Hookshot (also assuming he's as squishy as MatPat would Imply) You have to wonder, Flying at a stone wall at 20 m/s, How much damage does Link sustain from Slamming into said stone wall?
Slightly less than being transformed into a wolf or painting and set on fire by a dragon.
Good points. My thing is Link has the Golden Gaunlets, which gives him super strength all over his body as you can see him picking up granite blocks several times his height. Strength in muscle mass means strength in durability, making Matt claims inaccurate at some points. He's super durable, I mean he can survive high falls and bombs in his face
Yeah, he can do that at 4 Hearts and before the boosts from the Golden and Silver Gauntlets, he can already pick up run with and even swing the Megaton Hammer as Adult Link without either Strength boosting item, and it's solid steel.
Pretty much anything applied to Adult Link on OoT can be applied to his child form in both OoT and Majora's Mask as they are exactly the same person, though the physical strength may take a few years to come fully online.
What's probably missing from this video in the intelligence part, is how in some games, Link is able to use some items during combat to completely destroy otherwise challenging enemies almost instantly.
Minish Cap is a big example, as that game's Link is able to use items to exploit enemy weaknesses, so much that Gibdo become Stalfos and 2D Stalfos are pathetic compared to 2D Gibdo. Link is an expert tactician able to exploit his enemies' weaknesses, this is most easily recognized when combat becomes a puzzle rather than simply waiting for obvious weak point to show and hammering away at it.
Threadnaught Link is always accompany by a partner: OoT: Navi, Wind Waker: King of Red Lions, Twilight: Midna, Skyward: Fi, etc. They are can contribute to his intelligent department like you mentioned. They are like Jarvis to Iron Man, or Oracle to Batman.
One thing to that I forgot to mentioned that you slightly covered. Child Link can't use the hookshot, maybe he lacks the strength?
DJ Moon Knight He can In Majora's Mask.
Well, Link's arms are probably fine. He has the goron's bracelet by the time you get the water temple, so his arms can withstand a far greater force.
For the rest of it, it may be that the bracelet acts as a damper, reducing the overall force exerted on his body. Also, let's not forget that Link is chilling with a Fairy. A species which in the LoZ universe can resurrect someone from death, or as close as to make little difference. It may be a different variety, as Navi never actually saves you (something I've wondered about... maybe because she would have to sacrifice herself and thus could no longer act as Link's guide) but she's in all likelihood got access to some sort of magic, e.g. being able to detect enemies' weak spots. Even more so as by the time he acquires the hookshot, he has the Triforce of Courage. This is not a standard Hylian boy we're dealing with.
In fact, it isn't anyway. This is a boy who can run for days carrying a sackful of, as was established in the video, items that are far heavier then him, even climbing with this shit. Even as a child, in the range of what, 5-10? Not super important, but he was able to wield swords and shields able to best the minions of Ganondorf, or just evil in general, who were at least sufficiently powerful that the most powerful warriors of the various castes you meet (Goron, Kokiri, Zora) cant shift it. And the Gorons at least seem a capable bunch.
This doesn't invalidate anything said in the video, it's just that clearly Link IS able to wield the hookshot consistently, and accomplish other superhuman feats. Maybe being the hero of time has some unexpected benefits? For that matter, what happened to him while he was in the Temple of Time for 10 years (or so, I don't remember.) Before this, you accomplished extraordinary feats, like defeating the various dungeon bosses, but the items you get are fairly mundane, such as a slingshot and deku nuts. Then after, the real crazy shit starts to come out, lugging around over 20 bombs with no clear means of storage. Could this be a result of the power of the Temple of Time? It's clearly not just time travel or he'd still be Young Link. Is it the Triforce of Courage? Could it maybe be like Majora's Mask, all in Link's head? I have my own prefered solution, which is that Ganondorf remade the world in his image, using the power, at least of the Triforce of Power. While not up to it's full potential, he would conceivably have some influence over the nature of the world. Clearly, as a man constrained by physical laws, his power was limited, but the Triforce of Power allowed him to... bend that a little. This, as the triforce can remake the WORLD in the image of the user, not the user themselves, would mean that anyone with sufficient will could maybe accomplish similar feats.
I may be talking out of my ass, but remember where this comment is. And here, we give proper considerations to people's opinions, even if it is just a theory.
A GAME THEORY! Thanks for reading!
Also, holy shit I just meant to write about the freaking goron's bracelet... oh well.
Sanscrit That comment made more sense than I make in a day.
Microwave.
Matt please hire this man!
Oh my god, I read that as "maybe banging the hero of time has some unexpected benefits". Freudian slip?
Holy cow, props man! The theory is strong with this one.
It's obvious, don't you see it? Link drinks a lot of milk.
Lol
Obv.
brother?
It's funny because according to some sources, cows milk is actually bad for human bones, by drawing the calcium out of them, not replenishing.
Chateau Romani!!!
Bro, what if hylians have different muscles or bone mass than us humans? Something to do a video about
i was just about to rant about that
True, doesn't really help the internal damage from g-forces though
Revampedharpy09 what if he evolved to survive it or has different structures or has denser bones or body
Hope mat pat sees this
B u f f h y l i a n
Well in botw link cant carry rrl heavy things can he
Singlehandedly destroying my childhood dreams as always, MatPat. Thanks for doing what you do, you beautiful man.
even if his facts are wrong?
Toats they aren't wrong dude.
bowser jr yes the science is all right..
but the basic fact that he ignores the fact that steel is heavier than iron despite mocking the iron boots is one thing. but loz is in a place that has magic and magic items. there is no amount of science that can explain the master sword. and link is an hylian not human.
Toats elf hylian bla bla bla hes just a human with pointy ears same thing
bowser jr a human that has been chosen to be the hero by the gods that has magic abilities gained by great fairies. because all humans have that privlage.
Thing is "average human being" probably couldn't take a behemoth strike from some of the forces Link can .
Why not use his "hearts" to judge just how much trauma Link's body can take. For instance, he can be struck with a sword 40 times straight on before he perishes. That should say a lot about how much his body can actually take. The durability of his body and the amount of force it can take is probably one of the reasons he could use something like this.
the impact of a sword's blade striking isn't all that impressive to be honest. it will barely dent platemail on the thinner spots. now a hammer on the other hand (or any other top heavy weapon) would be much more impressive on the impact force. you can generate more impact with a top-thick wooden club (not some stick you try to pass as a club) than you can with a sword but then again link doesn't wear much in terms of armor so the slashing is what he should focus on more
Rafael Dracofuchs considering he also fights giants and mythical beings which I'm sure pack a wallop(such as something giant). Not to forget being hit by lazers and fire balls and mini explosions too. That's some trauma.
It would basically take around 40 explosions to his face to take out all his hearts. THAT is some durability.
yeah i know...i've played the game before but swords were just a bad example :P
We already have a measure of how Link's body reacts to large accelerations in the form of fall damage. We could use height of the fall to calculate velocity when hitting the ground, and use the amount of hearts to measure how much he's hurt from different levels of acceleration.
OP is very much correct. Either way the "theory" is wrong.
Either the "REAL" theory is "How strong IS Link as the Legendary Hero ?"
Or the question of "How then does the Hookshot work given the lack of all this?"
To say delving into thoery/history/legacy as to what enchantments would have gone into making it so as to why it has no apparent recoil to speak of (like a rocket RPG)
And is by all appearence gravity wish weightless despite carrying full momentum.
Omg I felt so bad for the little link that was shown through the video. He looked so heartbroken when he broke his bones.
I know
Imagine Gannondorf placing a longshot in a chest, see link open the chest and be like “yes. Grab it you filthy green man!”
Casual racism is the cherry on top of the sundae.
Also, considering Ganon is the actual green man here, your comment confused me for a second and I had to read it again.
@@MidnightMuffin omg i forgot i even made this comment haha i wonder what other comments i have forgot about
@@MidnightMuffin seriously? 😒
@@JennyGDelp ?
Link: is wearing the goron tunic
Well, it's a good thing Link is part of the magical race known as the Hylians, plus the extra power boost from being the bearer of the Triforce of Courage helps and most likely, the Hookshot and the Longshot would be made of one of the 3 Pure Metals (Crimsonine, Azurine and Aquanine) found in the Zelda universe, which when combined forge the Phantom Sword, a greatsword so light that even our Tiny Toon hero can wield it with 1 hand. The sword is literally the length of Link's body, with a very thick blade. So, with the combination of a magical body, Triforce powers and extra-light and uber-hard, yet not easily shattered metals, we should get a much better result.
The metals used are also not common, which might be the reason why not a single adept mage is using the Hookshot or Longshot.
Not only that, but the blade of the Phantom Sword is the same color as the hook shot hook and chain, which are heaviest parts according to the video. That would make sense I suppose, also adding that there are only two spring loaded weapons like this in the OoT
Robert Reynolds Plus, the Hookshot is without a doubt a magical weapon. There is no way a spring that can fit in that tube can launch a hook that far and pull you there. It's either some complicated technology or magic.
I agree that there is magic to it, but Dampe literally refers to it a spring loaded. So maybe some special enchanted spring? haha, the possibilities are endless
Robert Reynolds A normal spring wouldn't launch a hook and chain that far.
thats why I said enchanted :b
If only this is what teachers meant when they said "let's have fun with learning"
Maybe in secret they know its true
Same
Me to
@Champion Daruk Except he has been referred to as "human" (by Hylian standards) NUMEROUS times.
what about the impact and deceleration?
im pretty sure link is dead
Hell, even the act of firing it at something too far away, causing it to violently reach the end of its spool and snap back, would be devastating to Link.
and also firing it under water will surely make it WORSE
Lazy Bear
Underwater, the increased fluid drag of the water slows down the launch of the projectile as well as lowers its top speed, making Link more likely to survive the forces.
i was going to comment that. cuz, if hes at 20 metres per second, the impact force should be enough to kill himm, plus the fact that centrifugal force on a bend might cause him to actually impale himself on the metal HOOK! Also, where is all that chain comming from? all that helical cartridge isnt enough to hold all that!
QuantumTap bout to say YOU FORGOT SOMETHING
Its so satisfying and wholesome to see how much game theory has evolved and where it started. Also MatPat in his twenties had some interesting sense of humour
You forgot the sudden deceleration. When Link reaches his destination, there is no visible inertia. That means that the rest of his body now slams forward less than a second after a backwards slam of equal force. I'm no genius, and I am armed only with basic physics knowledge and my logic (no maths), but this would probably do most of these things to him: Send his eyes flying out of their sockets, make him lose bowel , urinary and stomach control, making him pee, poo, and toss his cookies simultaneously, possibly send his organs flying through his rib cage, getting cut up into slices in the process, destroy every fragile little bone in both his ears, slam his brain into his skull for the second time, shatter every bone in his legs and maybe his hips too, and let's not even talk about the internal hemorrhaging.
+Scott Coulson Oh yes, and more of those G forces.
That's what I was thinking too, except maybe not in so much gross detail. If he's travelling at 20m/s then that's like 72km/hr so when he reaches his destination he's basically slamming into a brick wall practically head first at 72 km/hr. That's got to do as much if not more damage than everything else mentioned in his video.
Myfanwy Schenk How about this: He would basically melt. If you saw through his skin, he would make an MK X Fatality look weak.
+Scott Coulson It'd be like a car crash at 45 miles per hour.
+Scott Coulson jusus crust
As a physics major I enjoy your mathy episodes. But you've neglected one thing, that being inertia. An object in motion will stay in motion unless a force is acted upon it. How exactly is the hero of time suppose to slow to a halt as he is soaring to his destination? In all likelyhood when the long shot completely retracts, Link's body would remain in motion causing him to overshoot his target and lose grip of the long shot. I doubt he would be able to slow himself down from 20 m/s with a broken arm/wrist. Link's target would have to be directly above him so gravity could bring him to rest after traveling a vertical hight of 20.4 meters(I did the math). Anything other than 90 degrees(directly above him), Link will fly by the target in the horizontal direction or crash into a wall. lol
you see I have been boming the comments with this because he forgot that factor of him stopping so quickly
This was something I thought of as well - having been moving at 20g's towards a solid object he would be obliterated by the impact. Dead. End of story. His internal organs would be crushed inside his body as it flattened against whatever object pulled him. XD
It would still be useful as a kamikaze tackle attack against an enemy that the hookshot impales.
Magic
Slight correction; I gave it some more thought when I went to bed last night. Gravity would only slow him down if the force of the longshot varies while retracting. After grabbing my 3ds and inserting ocarina, I noticed that the force is constant until the long shot completely retracts no matter the direction. This fact means he would continue moving 20m/s, no matter the direction, after the longshot recoils. It can be resulted that even if link attaches it to a platform directly above him, he would actually launch himself 20.4 additional meters in the verical! (assuming he loses grip) remember this is when gravity is completely working against his motion. Any other direction would be a lot more devestating
Ok, but bear with me for a second (pun intended, it’ll make sense soon, I hope)
If one considers that Hyrule is a place that exists/existed/will existo n Earth, then one should also assume that each day/night cycle should last 24 hours, right?
However, according to Zelda’s Wiki, each day on Ocarina of Time (OoT) lasts ~2,5 Real Life minutes (I’ll call them RL, for short), and each night lasts ~1,3 RL minutes. So, we could say that each OoT Hour during the Day lasts something around 12 RL Seconds, and each OoT Hour during the Night lasts about 6 RL Seconds
In that case, after some magical rule of three math, one could conclude that ONE RL Second represents 300 OoT DAY Seconds and 600 OoT NIGHT Seconds.
Now things start to get weird/interesting.
Let’s talk about Day Time only, for now. The Longshot travels roughly at 20m/RL Second, which we now know represents around 300 OoT Seconds. Being so, the Longshot is, in fact, traveling 20 Meters in 300 OoT Seconds, not in 1 Second - in one OoT second, it travels only 0,03 Meters and thus its acceleration equals 0,03 m/(s^2). Throwing all of this in F = m X a, we now have F = 86kg (already brilliantly calculated by The Game Theorists) X 0,03 m/(s^2): Longshot’s Force applied over Link while it’s being fired is only around 2,58 Newtons during the day (even less during the night: 1,29 N).
I’m pretty sure I’m ignoring a lot of important things here, but still, moving on.
With all that said, one could finally infer a few things:
1) Link could, theoretically, fire the Longshot (and be pulled by it) without having his bones and internal organs crushed
2) Link is, in fact, an EXTREMELY slow hero and the whole game had to be accelerated so that we wouldn’t die before being able to finish it
3) Link's so clumsy that he goes even slower at night so that he won't accidently trip on something while running.
4) I believe that if one would also calculate the actual force applied by Link when he swings his sword, one would also find out that, actually, every enemy in Hyrule is really really weak/breakable and/or that Link’s weapons are actually made of some crazy powerful stuff
5) All of this without even mentioning that there are some places in Hyrule where time stops, and that's creepy and I won't test my really weak math skills in that territory
dammm
Okay, this comment is amazing and should have many more likes than it does. Clap and a half to you. You have discovered Legend of Zelda's big secret. :P :) :D
Though at the same time... the actual regular citizens of Hyrule move even slower than Link does. How would that apply this this formula? haha.
Henrique Gus Well done, my dude.
I like this, but one point to consider: depending on your latitude and the season, day and night are not necessarily the same length. if link is at the right latitude and it is summer in his hemisphere, there would be no change in the time dilation of day vs night.
Henrique Gus
Um it's a game. Like of course he can do things most people can't do in reality. But still great paragraph though.
13:46
Pot: exists
Link: ENEMY S*POT*TED!
No. Bad.
So hook shot is more of a suicide weapon than an actual weapon
Eli 579 wouldn't he die to the wall?
Now I need one if I'm going out I'm going out in style
Where can I get one??? Asking for a friend.
I guess lol.
Lots of people talking about killin themselves but they're still here.
Hmmmm
"How is this guy possibly keeping this massive thing in his pants?"
That sounded so wrong
*-oh yes 😏-*
*-Zelda Logic-*
That's nasty
There is no pants? We’re does he keep it?
Game theory? Nah. Girl this be flat out nerd science.
AND I LOVE IT.
nerd*
Eutdynxt Txnydtue
Lucas Latorre YOU IDIOT HIT READ MORE
YEP I LOVE IT AND I DON'T CARE
Eutdynxt Txnydtue shut up u jerk
He never brought up the fact that link also shouldn’t be able to come to a complete stop just because he reached the end of the hook shot
....Please, can you do a video on the 3D maneuver gear from Attack on Titan? Maybe on your Film Theory channel? ....please. This video just makes me want it more.
***** Yeah, but you get all the fun added bonuses of the force required to puncture various surfaces, the retraction of the device in a second or less, the physics of the (probably steel) cords retracting back into the holster... People have been severely injured and maimed by their dog leashes snapping off the collar and retracting (you know, those nylon retractable kinds?)--what horrific damage would those wires do comparatively? Than there's the way the belts are meant to evenly distribute the force used to pull the fighter along the cables so no one body part is taking all the weight (like Link's arm in this video), but that doesn't account for organ damage from acceleration and deceleration.
While we don't know the exact materials used in building either the towns or the walls, especially because we don't even know if SNK takes places on some version of Earth or not, the walls have been called 'as tough as bedrock' and have withstood over a century's worth of battering by the Titans outside Wall Maria. Bedrock can be made up of many different rock types, but is generally used to determine building foundations and bridge anchors, and has been known to withstand the passing of glaciers in some cases. However, the prongs of the 3DMG pierce through them with ease. We've also seen them hook into trees, wooden structures, Titans, and Samson's foot. ....Mm. That was a fun scene...
Anyway, all this conjecture is fun! Even if I do get the gist of it already, it would be fun to watch a video on it, too. And I have a feeling MatPat could make a hilarious and fun topic out of it.
Pearl Carol there are quite a lot of anime theories that Film theory could do, I'm looking to see if Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V's Solid Vision system is possible xD or if Star Trek's Holodeck would be possible.
as for the AOT gear, I'd like to see that too lol
omni-directional-manuevere gear doesnt just use grapples, it uses gas to push them along.
Sparkling Shuffle Yes, which makes the gear even more improbable because of the added force upon impact every time they stop and land on a building or tree or titan. It isn't just momentum, it's propelled. How fun would it be to look into those theoretical injuries? Like getting into a carwreck without the frame to absorb the impact... :3
The gear is designed to absorb it, plus it detaches when under stress
Man matpat I learn more stuff from u then I do in school
link has super elf strength and durability, remember when he lifted the huge rectangular stone? so he should be ok using this thing.
Luis Fernando but he had the golden gauntlets when he did that.
true XD
Sanic the DANK meme yes, but his arms and legs did the lifting anyway or maybe is just fiction and nothing should make sense XD
Luis Fernando
true
He's also got the triforce of courage and whatever the crap that actually does to him. Not to mention the hookshot itself, being that it wasn't made specifically for link, likely has some sort of dampening system within it to assist in softening the recoil and yank caused by the hookshot itself.
Saying F=ma in the fun way you do IS memorable as I used it to remember it for my exams. Nice jobert there MatPat
Meet MatPat, the only human on Earth to actually use the irrelevant math formulas given to us at school.
::Can'tBeBothered:: tru
Nah, there are plenty. Engineers and scientists to name a few.
so true
like 1%
Yup
how does his hat stay on?
Kayla Smith
This is the best comment on this entire damn YT video 😂
Glue.
Kayla Smith that's the REAL question 😂
Bobby pins
Kayla Smith it's not a hat ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) but that's just a theory
Also, Link would rocket into the object with no possible way of stopping. His body will hit the surface so hard it will deliver the blow to finish Link.
Except, he doesn't keep his momentum upon reaching the target, he just stops. Which begs the question, what forces are exacted upon his body then? Not only is his body being accelerated from 0-45 mph in a fraction of a second, he is then immediately stopping from 45-0. I expect this would produce similar results as when he is pulled, further damaging his spine and internal organs.
Argetbrisingr101 In addition it would require some kind of full-body suit, as he in no way possible can absorb the amount of energy required to stop his momentum through his now broken, pulled and dislocated wrist and shoulder... And that would further increase his mass...
Exactly. I was thinking that the whole time, and thought it was weird that Mat never mentioned that at all.
I was thinking this too . He's flying 45mph , headfirst , into a wall, tree etc ... He dead lol
Oops. i just said the same exact thing
Matpat: *shows ocarina of time* sure but that was only for one game
Me: *TWO GAMES*
Edit: welp I’m a hypocrite lmao it’s four games
Kirito _two キリトニ that’s exactly what I thought lmao
ikr
It was also in a link to the past, although it was called a flute in that game
Majora mask
*ANGRY NOISE*
Link is allso instanltly stopping when he hits the wall (or whatever kind of object he flies into)... That may be enough to kill him...
He presumably slams into it at 200m/s.
I feel bad everytime i use the Clawshot in Twilight Princess now...
Darth Xander FINALLY someone else who knows what the magi series is
Ska Ofemergency and here's another one (me)
Man magi is so good
Clawshot isn't as powerful. The claw is less mass than the hook/spear, and thechain isn't as long. Not to mention you could reason that the extra mass in between the handle and the claw is absorbing the launch force and exerting magic over Link's body to minimize the acceleration forces.
hey i know its named after me
Moral of the story: Logic does not exist and Link is constantly giving science and logic the middle finger.
True. True.
This is the first Game Theory video I ever watched, it felt really nostalgic going back
Mat Pat you forgot that after Link uses the hook shot he just stops hitting the wall or log or some thing.
Maybe Nintendo didn’t add one in legend of Zelda breath of the wild because they saw this video
Or it could be a timeline thing. Or the Hookshot was just phased out at some point. After all, BotW Link did just wake up from a 100-year nap.
Justin Kim that's funny lol 😂
Dr. Rank boy you must be fun at parties
they substituted with the hang glider and the giant towers
No, they did not add noe because (1) they ran out of buttons to link permanant abilities to, and (2) that means it wouldn,t be permenant. i can see that going very badly.
would he not... hit his face on the wall?
0:10 Majora’s Mask: “Am I a joke to you?”
(the ocarina also plays a HUGE role in that game, for those who don’t get it, maybe even more so than Ocarina of Time.”
This took a dark...DARK turn.
lol
I know right with the broken bones and then the organ thing!
So...does that mean Toon Link's weaponry makes him look like a bat-shit insane murderer, who breaks into peoples houses, and can't even speak?
AH, DARKNESS!! Darkness, everyone!
Also, not as dark as Link is Dead... or 5N@F theory... or Companion Cubes are people. That one really gave me the creeps.
Well that’s game theory for ya
I'm never using the Hookshot again.
But you have to lol
but what about the gantlet
you know the one that let you lift a fucking boulder
link might be able to withstand it then
Lythero This should be an instant KO in smash now.
Wayne Ekeh problem is you don't get the Gantlets till late in the game plus you need the Longshot to even get to the Gantlets
You better not, they're addictive.
You'll get..... hooked......
12,000 Newtons. That tells you how crappy Newton's strength is.
KoopaShell TV My name's Isaac
Its true
Godzilla King of Monsters nothing there are rocks that do thank
Godzilla King of Monsters
That's less than a kiloton
Wait did he account for the stop of the grappling hook because I learned form his other video the stop of the momentum for 45 mph to zero would probably break his skull
@Nick Moore kill a person? even in his luckiest day kill him and squish most of his upper body leaving behind ruptured internals and shattered bones in a bag of skin,Thats the lucky day
Man I learn more from game theory than I do from school
Proto Moltres SO TRUE XD
Proto Moltres agree
Proto Moltres yea
Proto Moltres same lol
true
"The ocarina only appeared in one game"
Ocarina of time
Majora's mask.
I'm sure there's more but in too lazy to research them.
It was also in Link to the Past, but the game called it a "flute" for some reason.
i knew i wasnt the only one thinking that! (i am basically obsessed with LoZ though)
Literally about to say that!
Lol
It's in the legend of Zelda links awakening
Actually, he said that it was only IMPORTANT in one game. In MM you just kinda have it. It puts little emphasis on the Ocarina of Time in MM (and Link's Awakening)
Can matpat just be my maths teacher already??
I've learnt more watching videos here then actually going to school.
Kitteny14 fr and the video "history of the entire world,I guess"
Kitteny14 me to
Kitteny14 fr
Are you sure your grammar is pretty bad
Kelbell KDS *Are you sure? Your grammar's pretty bad.
Sooo in other words YA DEAD SON!
Yikes imagine hitting the wall at that speed...
#speediskey
*FAIL*
_2fast4u_
Oh dear, Game Theory, you didn't pay attention in physics class this time. A couple observations:
-The force exerted by the chain upon Link's arm would vary with what mass per unit length (excluding the "head" or "grip" or whatever) was, at the time, being extended. The force, therefore, is non-constant; and is applied to Link's arm over the course of the extension of the Hookshot, considering that the velocity at which the chain is shot is somewhat constant. (Let me tell you now, you need calculus to derive an equation for the force exerted over time. Although you're probably aware that it would be a differential parametric equation.)
-Even if you disregarded that, and approximated the overall force that Link would need to exert, it still wouldn't break his arm. Why? Well, because of a funny little thing called impulse. The force of 12000 Newtons required to break a human hand is a calculation based off of an arbitrary, but extremely small, distance (and time) over which the force is exerted. However, the TOTAL (estimatory) force of ~17000 N that Link must counteract to remain still would be over the course of, as you said, an entire second. When one thinks of breaking a hand, it's something like a fall, or getting hit by a baseball bat. And although there is undoubtedly a threshold of force which defines the ambiguous maximum force human bones can take, the deformation of a bone (which is, incidentally, a conversion of kinetic energy) would still depend, at least to an extent, on the impulse that would otherwise be the consequence of that force.
Obviously, these are just estimations, and I could very well still be wrong. I'm merely observing that something of a shoddy job was done this time around. Although good job calculating the volume of the hook; that must have been miserable.
Too lazy to read your entire comment so I'll just say that I agree with you
^
Thanks for taking the time to write this. It was insightful to say the least.
***** The point is that the impulse of firing should only be applied to the hook itself. While the chain is subject to a much longer application of force over the 1sec duration of it being extended.
This isn't a regular harpoon where all the impulse is fired at the beginning. If it were like this, the speed would decrease as the chain was pulled out. But with the Hookshot, everything is going at constant speed. Therefore, the chain must be continuously pushed out by the handle so as not to drag on the hook.
honestly, who says its even steel? there could be some unknown metal in zeldaverse for all anyone knows ..
Mat pat, what about titanium? It's strong enough and doesn't rust or corrode in water and it's MUCH lighter than steel
AJ Nowell or carbon fiber. If you wanted to make the situation more realistic the Longshot would use a cable like aircraft cable. Much lighter and smaller
AJ Nowell Could titanium even be harvested and crafted like that during that era?
AJ Nowell What's necessary for that is for them to be present in the universe. Iron in Iron boots, and similar things like that.
And maybe there is some form of spring built in in the Hookshot, so the Fore is absorbed by the Hookshot itself and not by links arms
pws3rd 1 that is a very good question because it requires very high heat but hen again this is Zelda, where a chicken can make you glide, so that’s a good question
If MatPat didn't say "Just gonna let that one sit there for a second." I wouldn't have realized what he said at 9:42...
"How is this guy possibly keeping this massive thing in his pants?!" XD
That’s what she said
"The most iconic item..."
You mean the green hat? :D
IT'S THE HOOKSHOT ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!
Nah the tunic
THE HOOKSHOT IS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
PresidentBanana
Iconic*
No ezlo was only in one game
"F=ma isn't memorable"
I literally used his way of saying it to remember it for a year (I haven't watched this video in so long ik)
Same.. It's super memorable!!
I use it to remember solely out of spite
Same, and newton's third law. We did it in physics and I vlew up with excitement
Same coming here after a year or more
I am now ready to outsmart my classmates who are gamers. Thank you master.
(Hopefully, my classmates know and play Legend of Zelda)
So I know it's all fun and games using real world physics on a fantasy video game where they would not apply... it's still a fascinating analysis of how things like this would work for real. That said... I'd like to see this one done again. Something that keeps getting brought up is how these forces affect the human body. Except Link isn't human, he's Hylian. Keeping in mind the Hookshot's a 169 lb lump of steel, he's also carrying, potentially, two swords, two shields, a boomerang, a bow with 50 arrows, 40 bombs, 50 bombchus, the iron boots, filled potion bottles, and a bunch of other little bits and baubles. Putting aside where he KEEPS it all... what's the weight of all that? Cause he's running around with it. What kind of bone structure and muscle mass does that require, and if that can be found, use that to see what damage the Hookshot really would do. Cause I get the feeling if the elf's beast enough to haul all that around, the force of the Longshot's not going to do so much.
That's nothing compared to Twilight Princess Link. He carries up to _90_ bombs and 60 arrows at any one time, as well as not one, but _Two_ claw shots, two shields, two swords, an ancient stone and metal spinning top half the size of his body, a _massive_ steel ball and chain, his own set of iron boots, a set of armor that slows him down as much as the iron boots if he's not carrying around any rupees, the dominion rod...
Heck, in TP he can carry around up to 1000 rupees. Imagine how much _that_ would weigh (and then, of course, imagine how much a full, max sized wallet in Winder Waker would weigh).
Logic dictates the "magical" Fairy carries everything your not using.
JaMaAuWright He isn't holding an extra shield and sword minda is as shown though after collecting them both but still the chain and ball I think that it would rip his arm off for throwing it
Logan Dunleavy Oh well, those things are still comparatively light. They'd barely make up 10% of one of the chains.
well...yeah
This was one of my favorite theories back in the day.
Goodbye MatPat
7:00 The reason he cant walk around in the boots yet he can carry the hookshot with ease is because he has the gorons bracelet, giving him better arm strength! :)
As i kept watching through this video, you repeatedly forgot about links arsenal being able to help him with all of these problems. Check the facts again matpat.
MatPat likes to use the circumstance where nothing is counteracting physics, like on his minecraft diamond armor vid, he never included enchantments to the armor, such as protection, unbreaking and other form of protection which would go against the armor breaking from certain blows from different weapons.
EndermanFinisher Exactly. I think it would be cool if he did a follow up to videos like these while adding in all of these variables and how they would change the outcome.
The bracelet, though strong enough to pull bombs and bushes from the ground, likely wouldn't be enough to carry the longshot with such ease, let alone using it on a regular basis. At best, he'd need the silver gauntlets, which he wouldn't even be able to use until he was an adult.
JustifiedMayhem32 Link can't use the hookshot or longshot until he is an adult, either.
You missed something... There's all that acceleration, great, but what about when Link gets to the other side of the pit? He still has to make a very sudden and abrupt STOP. I'm surprised you didn't discuss that.
McBehrer Agreed, I was waiting for that as well.. sadly, he didn't cover it :(
***** And probably get some brain damage as well :)
What about vertical acceleration accounting for gravity? That's like 9.80665 (action vs. reaction of countering gravity) + 200.
I think he thought that the video was getting too long and that people might lose intrest
Ooh! ANother thing, the metal might be encased in steel...but...mostly something lighter?
*WHEN HE SAYS THE OCARINA WAS IN ONE GAME*
*TRIGGERED*
THE MOON IS FALLING
well, he says it's big for one game. In Majora's Mask the masks were the big thing.
Max Errico yeah, I mean it’s not like it was needed to get any of the masks, or needed to live
Max Errico well you need the ocarina to get masks and too rewind time so it’s pretty important
I consider his shield a weapon in the right context so really the hook shot is the 3rd most iconic weapon in my eyes
Idk man I can’t think of a Link without a bow lmao
The most important part of this theory is: Don't grab a LoZ hookshoot unless you have a power bracelet or power glove. Otherwise you're going to get destroyed.
Thanks for the tip Matt
Pallete fire emblem Seliph prof pic?
could always use 2 arms.
km tabs That's Skasaher(Ulster), not Seliph. Gotta love some FE4
Thats what Ive been thinking.
ok ordon
Where are you getting your math from? And have you bothered to consider that Link's body is an elf, not a human? Elves possessed inhuman abilities, such as speed, strength, agility, and endurance. You keep talking about a human body. Link is beyond human. This doesn't even factor in the powerful relics Link carries around with him all the time, which amplify his abilities further.
IN zelda hes a elf but posses's HUMAN stuff...
hI
NOT AN ELF HE'S A HYLIAN TOTAL DIFFERENCE.
The species is an elf.
Vector Silver Hylian.
*Cracks knuckles*
Alright, when it comes to having the Longshot and how much damage it can do to Link, things look pretty bleak. HOWEVER, at your game footage, I noticed Link was wearing his golden gauntlets. The golden gauntlets, albeit a very mediocre metal at best aside from assisting in electronics, grants Link actually quite a bit of strength and endurance.
How much endurance? Well, using some math that I found, Link can withstand over 1,000 tons of pressure wearing those beasts. That would be more than enough not only to compensate for the weight of the longshot, but it would greatly reduce the damage caused by the g-forces caused by the sudden pull of the longshot when it retracts, leaving the Hylian a bit woozy, but not blind and, well, dead.
"BUT MAGICIAN! LINK GETS THE LONGSHOT BEFORE THE GOLDEN GAUNTLETS! HE'D STILL DIE!", I hear some comment replies say, but fear not gentle reader, for Link has yet another trick up his green sleeve - The Goron's Bracelet that he receives as a child. This bracelet amplifies Child Link's strength to a point where he can lift up Bomb Flowers from the ground. While, yes, you can say that the can't wear this as an adult, considering the fact that Link barely flinches when he uses the Longshot even before he acquires even the Silver Gauntlets, it's safe to assume he still wears this as an adult. This would also increase his strength modestly even as an adult to point where he can lift the Megaton Hammer.
A megaton weight's an incredible 1,000,000 pounds! And link slams that monster down several times! It's safe to assume, even without the Golden Gauntlets and just the Goron's Bracelet, Link is strong enough to withstand the force from the Longshot.
Oh, my mistake. A megaton is TWO million pounds. Whoopsies.
You sir, are dedicated. :)
I may be dedicated, but I lack proofreading skills.
The Dream Warden Basically link is superhuman, I mean the gods wouldn't make the guy destined to save the world a wimp.
The Dream Warden I'd have agreed with you, had you not overlooked somethings.
On the G.G.'s, every source I have read specifically mentions the item increasing STRENGTH not bodily endurance. Thus, it is safe to say that they only increase his strength magically when lifting or taking a blow whilst holding his shield so it doesn't break his arm (A common occurrence with shield-using knights when not strong enough or prepared for a blow). It is easy to assume then, that the shot would still affect Link.
Secondly, on the concepts of g-force, since as stated above the G.G. wouldn't increase endurance, Link would still be affected by the forces of acceleration brought on his body, especially considering g-force affects the body as a whole whilst in motion, and not just his arm. Yes, as a Hylian, his biology is different from human biology, but from what we have seen it is still close enough to be heavily affected by g-force.
And finally, on the Megaton Hammer, it doesn't weigh a megaton. From the sources I've read (Various wikis and Zelda official sources in case you were wondering) the hammer is actually made of steel. It is only called "megaton" as a nickname, mostly due to the shockwave it gives off as it hits the ground.
So, based on the words typed above, he may not die, but he'll still be disabled or worse from a shot. Even if he is a Hylian, he is still vulnerable to injury. And to those speaking of mithril (Which by the way is silver-like, negating the possibility that the LS is made of it since it is dull and grayish) and mystical metals, there isn't any in the Zelda world as of now. The "Pure Metals" of Pha. Hour. are referred to as steel. The magical weapons are enchanted or blessed/imbued with power. The "master ores" are the only possible concept of special metals, and they are in one game and only for that games Master Sword to be upgraded. Thus, since no specialized metal has been mentioned even up to present games, it is safe to assume there isn't any in the Zelda Universe unless a new game proves otherwise.
coming back to my first theory after mats big announcement. haven’t seen this vid in years and was 11when it came out.
While some people say we need school, I say all we need is TH-cam.
Me to
Same
+Moonpelt
Absolutely
But then game theory nor any other teacher TH-cam wouldn't exist.. you need schooling for these to exist.
Not exactly true. There is no reason for us to go to school when stuff like this can be taught via the internet. We are in a day and age where we shouldn't have to be in person with our instructors for subjects like math, English and and science
Just gonna point this out, hylians tend to be more durable than would be considered possible for humans. Not only that but I imagine that the hookshot wouldn't be made of any KNOWN material. This is a land of magic and stuff. It's likely made of something super strong yet super light.
Eh?
Ah
Cynical Knight Samiel Like sayians
Cynical Knight Samiel Yeah... but still... we have to know what it is or it wouldn't be possible to actually do the math to figure it out... but it is a theory based on real life physics n stuff so... if we knew the in game material and how much it weighed/density and all that, then we... actually they, would use that to figure it out... (I refuse to be... actually if I was offered to be in these videos I might have taken it... but I wasn't, I'm too lazy to do that on my own, and yeah.)
Cynical Knight Samiel Carbon Fibre? xD
That moment when you realise a video game elf boy is stronger, heavier AND higher than you
Sinker Dude Lol
He's pretty damn strong ;-;
R u reading the comments just because reasons
We all know why he's so strong in his right hand to long the longshot with one arm ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
M m m b m be m m. Did
Matpat:*calling out skyward sword robots*
Nintendo:We're doing a sequel!*makes more robots in future installments"
I guess you could call this theory a
LONGSHOT
OMG, you are now my new best friend!
SAS gd aaayyyyy
Nah, that's every video of his.
if you going to insult me, at least have the decency to spell it right.
Might wanna leave Mat to the corny jokes but good one anyway.
So... Just to confirm, it can't be made of iron because it's too heavy, but steel is okay, even though it's MORE dense...??
Density is not how much an object’s weight. Density is and I quote “the degree of compactness of a substance” and you get it by doing mass divided by volume, but what something weighs is just how much force gravity has on you.
@@alanzavlick8045 you have all the pieces here, but I don't think you're putting them together quite right. Like you said:
density = mass / volume
Solving for mass means:
mass = density * volume
The volume is constant, (the size and shape isn't changing) meaning if density increases, mass necessarily also increases.
Weight is mass times the force of gravity, which is also constant.
Meaning, objects with a higher density will always weigh more (with the same forever of gravity)
I think it has todo more about how long the chain is... 20 meters of any metal knew to men is going to be very heavy... Also the force the hook needs to travel that fast with all that chain
All it takes is one google search to learn that iron is far heavier than steel.
Shimadamada I Need Healing No it doesn’t? Steel is denser than pure iron. Iron has a density of 7,860 kilograms per cubic metre, steel has a density of 8,050 kilograms per cubic metre.
hey, link surviving the Long Shot Hook to the face is a LONG SHOT! HAH
its a joke
Barry McCann Got my apporval
It got my SEAL of approval
lee loo well that was ONYX-pected
You got ma charizard of charozardusproval.
Came back here after the retirement announcement, never noticed there was a theorists Facebook
Okay, about the arm breaking thing, you're forgetting the power bracelet could stop his arm from being ripped out, in a world of fantasy, you can't stress too much logic onto this, so I'd say this wouldn't be much of a strong theory.
Game theory doesn't care about video game logic. When are people gonna understand this?
***** well butt still ,it makes Link stronger...
well i dont remember the power bracelet in OoT and this was mostly about OoT not the others
Neil O'Reilly More evidence this is the long shot not the regular one!
Neil O'Reilly In OoT there is a power bracelet, silver gauntlets and golden gauntlets. That being said, I'm pretty sure you can only wear the power bracelet as a child and you are able to use the hookshot before you get the silver gauntlets.
I STILL can't believe the Falcon Punch lost to this.
Still waiting for a video on dating sims...
25 reasons Link is not human:
1. He has the pocket capacity of a parking garage.
2. He is multi-incarnate (last I checked, I can't do that).
3. Link falls into pits or from incredible heights losing only up to one heart at best. In some games, he even falls down floors without taking any damage like A Link to the Past.
4. Link instantly knows how to play musical instruments or use weapons on picking them up without any prior experience.
5. Link is never affected by injuries, he could be at twenty hearts or one heart left but will still keep fighting normally.
6. He heaves a ball and chain in Twilight Princess. How does that not affect him anymore when he puts it away.
7. He can switch between his normal and iron boots on mind command because... magic!
8. Link can target five targets with his boomerang in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. No physics explanation?
9. Link can lift granite with the Golden Gauntlets but he leans it towards him, but since he has it focused on lifting it up how is he preventing it from crushing him when the granite is towards his body directly?
10. He uses magic (the green bar). Definitely not a human trait.
11. Link can jump up to two to three times his height in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess jumping over enemies. Those are some leg muscles!
12. Link doesn't need sleep or isn't affected by it. He stays up for 72 straight hours in Majora's Mask.
13. Link can use Deku Sticks as his most powerful sword attack in Ocarina of Time as a kid like against Queen Gohma because... it brings out his inner child for more energy?
14. When Link pulls out bombs in Ocarina of Time what does he light them up with? He's got no fire items on him.
15. Pieces of heart and heart containers increase his health. Why rigorous training and regular combat experience doesn't do this is beyond me.
16. When Link shoots arrows, they fly in a straight line without gravity affecting it. That must be one strong bow for how much pressure Link is putting onto it! How strong is Link for him to do that?
17. Link has survived a crash into a castle in Wind Waker.
18. Link is yanked to the ceiling in Twilight Princess by magnetic boots. If it was able to pull him up, weight and everything from a distance on a platform, how much leg power is needed to put one foot in front of another with a magnetic force that strong?
19. I can understand Link pushing the big metallish blocks in Ocarina of Time, but he seems to dig his hands underneath them when he pulls it back? How in the world...
20. Link can use a shield so well in Ocarina of Time he can bounce back nuts from Deku Scrubs in the exact same trajectory and speed from where it was hit from.
21. Link CAN roll sideways in Twilight Princess and Wind Waker and uppercut with his sword in less than a second because... uhh...
22. He is incapable of getting sliced in half. This is evident from being sliced from Ganon's large, sharp weapons in Ocarina of Time and the axe from the Iron Knuckles in the Spirit Temple.
23. Pressure doesn't affect him underwater. Pressure can kill a human around 350 feet. Before you bring up the Zora Tunic, remember that Link can use Iron Boots with his Kokiri Tunic and still manage the feat.
24. Link has incredible manipulative powers through his eyes. He just stands in front of people and they tell him deep, confidential stuff. (This one is just a joke and subjective, but still... it is something).
25. And finally, the longshot.
Link is no human, he's an elf, that explains everything.
Collin Buckman It does make sense. Elves do wear green clothes all the time. :)
Slashstar314 And he is constantly refered to as an elf by MattPatt AND he has easy to notice elven pointy ears.
Oh, that number 1. Classic. Keeping spare clothes, shield, boots, sword (bigger than him even), bombs, bombchus, arrows, magic arrows, 4 bottles (bigger than his hand), longshot and instrument is pretty normal for people right?
Goobi Shloobi Actually, he's a Hylian, like Zelda and most of the other characters in most of the Zelda series. They explained it after you beat the Forest Temple in OoT.
This is still one of my favorite videos
Same
Didn't mention the impact of him slamming into the wall.
He didn't really have to. I think he had made his point that the thing was impossible at that point lol
***** Wellp, he wasn't dead yet, so.
True.. Another thing i think is that he didn't feel the need to say it because we all know what would happen next.. Nothing like a bloody splat to end a game right?
***** Yeah but that's like saying this video should be 5 seconds long with Matt patt just saying "Link dies in a bloody splat, but that's just a theory, a game theory"
Probably far more than it would take him get a concussion. At least. Going from 200m/s to 0 in one tenth of a second is going to mess you up.
6:27 The second time he said chain link I still thought of a bunch of linked links
same
Wycliffe Alder it would be cool if nintendo made a character called Chain, like a fusion of Links through time!
You've got to admit though, he has been carrying a sword ever since he was a child so he is going to be pretty strong, just saying! 🤗
8:15 "He's the Angry, Video Game.. Neerrrdddd...."
The problem with this whole theory is this is based on the assumption the material is made of steel. The longshot may either not be made of steel. It could an element or substance not on this Earth. Or it could have magic properties
That said, I love the efforts of how far you guys go with this in calculations and deep thinking.
Mithril exists in Hyrule right? Doesn't that solve everything? Woo Magic!
edit: Forgot about the 20g's part.
That is exactly what i was thinking!
No such thing as an element we can't theorize. Could be a material we haven't invented though. And magic is always an option.
Also, what if the hook shot is made out of titanium? Titanium is only 60% of the weight of steel and 45% the strength. It is very hard to rust, even in saltwater conditions.
Nathan Congdon Titanium shouldn't contain any iron in it, so technically it doesn't even rust. However, titanium does oxidize, but it the process would be so slow that Link would die of old age before the hookshot broke.
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nice plan
I like your thinking... genius
***** pre-paid credit cards, dude!! :D
Maybe the long shot is made of vibranium and he's besties with tchala. No one knows how much vibranium weighs or its properties. /(0 o 0)\ but hey that's just a theory a game theory.
Moonlight Wolf. Also would explain why it never breaks
You solved the mystery so quickly.
Vibranium is quite light
Link never freeze
vibranium is a third of steel's weight so it's still 63 pounds definetly not as dangerous but still dangerous
This was the first game theory episode I watched. I had to rewatch it right after matpat announced his retirement.
same man. ill be 20 this year its so sad
Soooo What about real life applications? What about using this thing underwater? Would using it underwater be safe?
that sounds cool
It would be more dangerous in water as you move slower in water. To move at that same speed in water would take more force.
It would only get worse, because the water will be slowing Link down.
This is actually a lot more like the style of the older theories; they had less real life-application and more equations. i personally like both styles. :)
The water would certainly make it less effective as the velocity of the hook would be less due to the dampening force the water provides. This would decrease range and the depth that the hookshot would penetrate into its target. However, the acceleration of the hook and therefore link would be similar, causing the injuries that mat mentions in the video. Providing the fireing mechanism doesn't rely on fire (gunpowder or some other combustible) to launch the hook, it could theoretically work underwater as it works on land.
But he has special elf bones, right guys? RIGHT?! :"O
Nope. Sorry. All broke.
Caller :'(
Yes
No he dies
i cri evriteim
He forgot to add the fact that he was under water
Jumping Jack Lavin good thing it's just a theory.
CometStar 74 Next time on Game Grumps
Jumping Jack Lavin oh god....
And the mass of the shield and the sword
Not included:
Water resistance (in the case of underwater areas only)
Mass of the Master Sword
Mass of the Hylian Shield
Mass of EVERY OTHER ITEM LINK SOMEHOW MANAGES TO CARRY AROUND WITH HIM
This is to this day one of my favorite ever theories. It's just so fun and it uses my favorite editing style of all of them. We're gonna miss you matpat.