I stopped going about a decade ago. I revisited some of the ideas from Doug Batchelor and Veith for the last year. I thought there would be some new evidence how things were progressing. I just heard the same thing that has been taught for over 2 decades now. The same exact stuff.
I left the SDA. Thankfully, i wasn't raised in it. I was just thinking about how cruel it must have been to be brought up in a system where you are reminded that all of your sins will be written down and held against you instead of the loving grace of our Savior and to be constantly told that people will soon be hunting you down and kill you becasue you go to church on Saturday. In my observation, NOBODY CARES when you go to church. Poor kids raised up to believe that any day they will come to hunt you down because you are that special to God.
I was born and raised there. I cried bitterly when my eyes were open by the WORD and realised I was brainwashed to follow a false doctrine from a false prophet. That religion is a curse and I was set free.
@@yild6227 I’m angry seriously angry about the lies & deceit, the brainwashing from birth, the persistent abuse & double standards. That church witnessed my mother’s constant insane narcissistic abusive and psychotic behaviour and only ever empowered her in it. I’m still amazed at how they would tell half truths and lies to each others faces with both sides owing full well the lies and half truths and would encourage each other in the same
First of all you are on a platform hunting Adventist pastors, so isn't true 😂😂 I am Also happy not to be in a system which burns christians and also hold snakes in the pulpits to prove that God is working in their churches and later on they die and you hear people crying ohhh Jesus 😅😅😅😅😅😅
He says “knowledge shall increase” has been severely misinterpreted. What he doesn’t say is that for generations of Adventists this phrase has been interpreted and preached about as SDA pastors have said from their pulpits “look at all the strides man has made…knowledge has definitely been increased!” With each generation the examples have changed from the improvement in cars, highways, & travel, to science and technology; all said to point to these & say this is how we know we’re living in the last days. Now he changes it to mean “knowledge of the book” (of Daniel)😮 I’m no longer in the church so I wonder, is this now the new meaning for ‘knowledge being increased’ that Adventists have in general or it’s just just his POV? What I’ve never understood about these assertions is how the Bible says no man knows the day nor the hour when Christ will return again but the spirit of guessing and trying to predict never seems to have left the Adventist Legacy. I mean I know we’re all supposed to be ready but the spirit of fear and warnings of probation ending and predictions etc just never ends in this church. We’re supposed to have hope and the understanding that we’re saved-the beautiful message of the gospel. It defies reason.
Adventists have all this talk about being Bible based yet they simply ignore scripture they disagree with . That quote from Joel is clearly fulfilled in Pentecost, yet SDAs ignore it and insist it’s talking about them. Jesus clearly declared all foods clean, SDAs insist there are still unclean foods. Scripture clearly calls the Holy Spirit as a seal of salvation, SDAs insist it’s the sabbath. Jesus clearly said Hell is eternal, SDAs differ and say it’s not. Paul clearly says the Law kills and no one will be justified by following it. SDAs insist we must follow the Law to be saved . The Old Testament clearly sets up the way to discern a false prophet, Adventists claim Ellen as a prophet yet she clearly fails the biblical test for prophets. It boggles the mind.
Brief time one lived on earth I.e 70 or 9 years, being subjected to unending torment? I don't think Jesus Christ illustrated that, other than emphasizing grace and mercy. *(Luke 12: 47-48)*
Mmmmmmm, God have mercy. I am an Adventist, and we don't say it was not, just like we say about Elijah being sent, for me and my studies, Joel was partially fulfilled at pentecost. Or Elijah being equalled to John the Baptist yet the bible says "before the great and dreadful day of the Lord" referring to the second coming of Jesus. Several times. It's okay to ridicule a church or beliefs but do it with honesty and proper information. Just because someone said it doesn't mean it is true.
@@Ndagijimana-zm You as an Adventist and not as a Christian, your opinion is actually irrelevant as your denomination do propagate a cursed gospel and a fake jesus.
I am always amazed by the images shown on stage, in videos, movies, leaflets. Study them carefully : it's somewhere between L Ron Hubbard, the Watchtower and Independence day. Such a marketing...
Historically, the SDA cult has a similar origin to JWs. And they both do the stupid proof-texting thing where you hopscotch about the Bible, ripping texts out of context.
I was taking Bible studies with a preacher and his wife, and after a few weeks I told him I’m ready to be baptized, after they scheduled the baptism I found out they are 7th day Adventist and I had to accept that the gift of prophecy was manifested in Ellen g white. Basically accept her as a prophet to be baptized in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit
It seems to be SOP (standard operating procedure) with SDAs to take a word/phrase from the Bible & read wwhhaatteevveerr fanciful thing they want into it?
They are very similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The same rhetoric. I was a JW for 30 years and am a reformed evangelical Christian now. The Bible alone is Gods inspired word and all these cults with their cravats and their focus on men turn away the attention of men from the Holy Bible and our Lord Jesus.
7s Miller chart of 1844 puts Jesus on the cross AD 31. And that's after amending it several times. Real nice proffit they got. Should have asked a Jew first, Ellen. All those guys suckin up to her too.
The idea of 1844 comes, I believe, from the 2300 day prophecy. This was given by Gabriel, and referenced sacrifices. These ended in 70AD. Perhaps the whole matter was resolved by then, which was still future for Daniel. Perhaps the 2300 days does not have the same start date as the 70 weeks. I think we need to wait and see if it still applies.
The Daniel 8:14 prophecy is one about the little horn which comes out of a Greek kingdom (see Dan 8:21-22) that would stop the daily sacrifices (Dan. 8:11). In verse 12 it is prophesized that he would use an army to stop the daily sacrifices. In addition, these verses indicate that the temple would be desecrated and trampled underfoot, and that truth would be cast to the ground (verse 12). In verse 13, an angel asks how long it would be before the temple would be cleansed and put back into service after the desecrations that had occurred. The answer was 2,300 evening and mornings. Some think this means days based on Genesis others think this means 1,150 days based on the fact that they are two daily sacrifices per day--one in the evening and one in the morning. Antiochus Epiphanes IV fulfilled these prophecies--he stopped the daily sacrifices, forbid the Jews access to the temple, stole all of the vessels and the vail in the temple, forbid the Scriptures, sacrificed pigs on the altar, and put an idol in the temple plus a lot more. When the Maccabees finally drove him out of Judah, the temple was restored (cleansed) and the sacrifices resumed. This cleansing occurred in late 165 BC. To this day, this event is celebrated by the Jews as Hanukah or the Feast of Dedication. Tying this prophecy to Daniel 9 to come up with 1844 is a complete misapplication of Scripture.
Sounds about right. However, never say never. Sometimes prophecies can show up later as a shadow of the original. But whatever, 1844 doesn't seem to fit.
Daniel coincides with Revelation ... Both are Apocalyptic.... They're unveiled by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the 7 seals are opened only by Jesus.... Which proves Daniel and Revelation primarily deal with Israel, not the church! Scripture interprets scripture
1844 was the year the false prophet (the Báb) declared his mission, which was to prepare the way before the antiChrist (Bahá'u'lláh). All because of William Miller's false date setting.
Myles, are you able to show us the meaning of "the time of the end" from the Scripture without resorting to other people's interpretation of the verse? Maybe you can point to other instances in the Bible where the same phrase is used or idea is referred to and enlighten us by interpreting Scripture with Scripture.
@@elwoodmorine uhh, because this platform has nothing to do with baptists. I don’t know what baptists you’re referring to. No Baptist confession of faith says the end times started in the 1900s lol. You’re now taking individual people and blanketing baptists as a whole. 1689 particular baptists don’t believe this, for example. You say “so what” which proves you don’t understand the problem this creates for your guys’ entire system. The end times didn’t started in 1798. That isn’t a “so what” reality for Adventist theology. That’s a catastrophic blow to the whole framework.
SDA here I just want to mention this also about Hebrews 1:1-2. Lets take a look at it.... "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;..." Hebrews 1:1-2 KJV Now many will use this verse to show that all prophesying has ceased. But this is not at all what this verse is saying. Actually SDA's are very familiar with this verse and we reference it quite a lot. On the EGW estate website and throuout her writings EGW herself cited this verse. So we have no problem with this verse thinking that somehow it proves that there are to be no more prophets. This verse tells us how God Himself use to communicate with men. God Himself spoke directly to Adam and Eve in the garden. It was God Himself who spoke to Moses as the children of Israel journeyed. Hebrews CH 1 nowhere says that prophesyings have ceased. Now God has essentially "appointed" the way he wants to communicate to us through His Son. So to put it quite simply, the visions of EGW did not come directly from GOD, but from his Son Jesus.
@@WebusertrUv that’s entirely irrelevant to this clip. Hebrews 1 says the last days were already underway. Long before 1798 lol your guys’ historicism clouds your entire understanding of the Bible. Ellen White doesn’t even come close to passing the biblical test of a prophet. It’s not even close. So it’s irrelevant if you want to argue modern prophets. Even if that’s granted, it doesn’t vindicate Ellen White.
The time of the end began in 1798....that's when that current pope was taken captive and papal power ended. The papacy had no more countries willing to give them government assisted rule. France had been the first, it was also the last.
@teresamcnulty8471 As an exSDA, it is funny you guys are telling us things we have already known for decades but you think you are telling us something new. I mean we have studied all of this before. This is not groundbreaking news to most of us here.
@@teresamcnulty8471 you just assume your historicist eschatology is correct lol we don’t concede that. You state this so definitively as if it’s without question. You made so many assumptions. “In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”-Hebrews 1:1-2 Hebrews 1 wasn’t written in the 1700s. Sorry.
Teresa..why 1798..?. I think you say that's when the deadly wound healed? Correct.. but that's not what it says in the first seven verses of Revelation 13. Because your time Prophecy from 538 to 1798 is not a prophecy in the Bible?. If it is you're going to have to show me where it's at.. when does revelation 13 say the deadly wound healed? (Before) or (after) the saints are giving into his hand? Who is revelation 12 written to? who does Daniel 9 say it is?
You know exactly what it’s about. It was magically deleted 4 times to a statement you made in a reply, “Adventistm sounds like Babylon according to its own definition.” Now it has magically re-appeared. P.S. looks like your hair plugs are ready for a touch-up. Just sayin
Please let us stop, criticising each , and get ready for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said focus to have your name written in the book of Life. Certurn scripture is not going safe you. Because you it better. Jesus said deny your self and pick up your cross and follow Me. We need Jesus More than ever. God bless.
If i have to leave sda church. It's my choice. I won't dreage people out with me. If i leave then i leave alone. And pray for me and them for God to help us to get through this life on Earth. Together . Together waiting for Jesus second return 🙏 let us work together as .
Your goal to live live just trying to be ready for Jesus’ return is something that is unbiblical but makes sense because it’s what Adventists focus on. The focus of Christians should be to spread the gospel and increase Gods kingdom. To just make sure one is ready for the second coming is selfish and totally ignores the Great Commission.
No true prophecy from Ellen yet and she is blindly being followed. How possessed can people be to remain sda? I guess somebody has to keep hell burning. So sad
What exactly? That "the end times" dosent always mean the very end times? Cause he did in the video. Or are you saying this guy's interpretation of Daniel? Cause unless you are bies towards adventists you are going to to the big stretches he made for said interpretation, the more assumptions you need to make the worse odds you have
@@RemingtonTripp Rev 22:10 And he said to me, " Do not keep the prophetic words of this book a secret, because the time is near when all this will happen. Rev 1:1-3
SDA here @ 4:43 he says..."Peter preaching in Acts, cites Joel who prophecied that in the last days....he dosen't cite this to refer to a long off distant future." Are you cetain about that? Because one of Peter's contemporaries does cite a scripture pointing to distant time. His name was Paul... “Let no one decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come,” he says, “except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Who was that man of sin and when was he revealed?... A. "The “man of sin,” which is also styled the “mystery of iniquity,” the “son of perdition,” and “that wicked,” represents the papacy, which, as foretold in prophecy, was to maintain its supremacy for 1260 years. This period ended in 1798." 1988 edition Great Controversy page 356 So the time of the end actually started in 1798 not 1844. *Let no one decieve you by any means*
@@WebusertrUv peters entire point in citing Joel is to say what Joel prophecied about WAS taking place then and there. He wasn’t citing it to say it’s still far off into the future. His whole sermon is quotations of the Old Testament to show how it foretold of Jesus and their fulfillment was found in him. That they are now a present reality. People did have dreams and visions, etc. then and there in the foundation paint of the church. Citing Paul in a totally different context has nothing to do with Acts. And no, the “end times” didn’t start in the 1700s. Hebrews 1 wasn’t written in the 1700s either.
@@Donatello-b4x See this everyone. How come he said nothing to Myles about using the words of Charles Ellicott, or the many other unbiblical sources he uses in these videos.
@@BluefaceBaby-m7h yes, great job proving absolutely nothing. The “last days” began loooong before you guys claim which throws the whole SDA “prophetic” chronology off. Yes, we do have “a prophetic message.” The problem is you apparently think this only means special insight that only your small little sect has. The most prophecy in the Bible pertaining to the last days is about JESUS. God incarnating and dwelling amongst us. Not a bunch of signs and symbols aided by a bunch of conspiracy. The “last days” are the entire period between the ascension and the second coming.
The last "prophetic message" was the Revelation to John at the end of the 1st Century A.D., which can be read in the last book of the Bible. All actual prophecies are in the Bible. Anyone after John the Apostle who claims to be a "prophet" is a liar and a false teacher, as is anyone who claims that any "other prophetic message" beyond the Bible is necessary.
This Pastor is an apostate. It’s dangerous to judge a group from the words of one member. Unfortunately he represents a lot of Adventist thinking these days. Remember they are fellow sinners and no one is exempt. Being a pastor they must be held to higher standards. He doesn’t represent original Adventist theology.
@@mickexplorerI can prove he told you the truth. Because when you know the prophecy it will prove that he told you the truth. So what's Daniel 12 telling you! Who is it written to is it written to you?
@@jimbob1644 I was born and raised in Fresno I attended the Academy there I’ve known this pastor over 50 years. I see the emotional connection with all of his members from being there for so long which I don’t agree with in and of itself. I don’t need you or him to explain Daniel 12 to me. He has recently canceled a Dr. Conrad Vine from speaking at their conference over in Monterey soon. This is from advent messenger,” Whether you agree or disagree with certain conferences canceling Pastor Bohr, at least they have been transparent about their decisions. Unfortunately, Secrets Unsealed Ministry has not yet disclosed the reasons for Dr. Conrad Vine’s cancellation to its supporters or summit attendees. Perhaps that secret will also be unsealed at some point.” That’s messed up what he did and if you stand behind him over this you are messed up too. He is part of the cancel culture. His recent sermon on Satans impersonation of Christ is wrong with his claim the Antichrist appears after the close of probation. He’s become smug. Never licked him before and he’s getting worse. Pray for your pastor brother. These are deceptive times. Just look at this fool here talking smack about Gods remnant church. I feel for his minions that come to his aid. They are just giving him a false sense of security in his confusion.
They are very similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The same rhetoric. I was a JW for 30 years and am a reformed evangelical Christian now. The Bible alone is Gods inspired word and all these cults with their cravats and their focus on men turn away the attention of men from the Holy Bible and our Lord Jesus.
I stopped going about a decade ago. I revisited some of the ideas from Doug Batchelor and Veith for the last year. I thought there would be some new evidence how things were progressing. I just heard the same thing that has been taught for over 2 decades now. The same exact stuff.
The end for SDA was on the same day they were conceived.
They just don't realized that their complete faith system did bound them for hell
You are not their judge.
@@teresamcnulty8471 Yes we are.
@@teresamcnulty8471
True, I am not their judge, but its my job to warn the gullible not to fall into their satanic trap.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@teresamcnulty8471 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."
~ 1 Corinthians 2 : 15
I left the SDA. Thankfully, i wasn't raised in it. I was just thinking about how cruel it must have been to be brought up in a system where you are reminded that all of your sins will be written down and held against you instead of the loving grace of our Savior and to be constantly told that people will soon be hunting you down and kill you becasue you go to church on Saturday. In my observation, NOBODY CARES when you go to church. Poor kids raised up to believe that any day they will come to hunt you down because you are that special to God.
That’s about the size of it & they cant work out why you leave when “you know the truth”
I was born and raised there. I cried bitterly when my eyes were open by the WORD and realised I was brainwashed to follow a false doctrine from a false prophet. That religion is a curse and I was set free.
@@yild6227 God bless you.
@@yild6227 I’m angry seriously angry about the lies & deceit, the brainwashing from birth, the persistent abuse & double standards.
That church witnessed my mother’s constant insane narcissistic abusive and psychotic behaviour and only ever empowered her in it.
I’m still amazed at how they would tell half truths and lies to each others faces with both sides owing full well the lies and half truths and would encourage each other in the same
First of all you are on a platform hunting Adventist pastors, so isn't true 😂😂 I am Also happy not to be in a system which burns christians and also hold snakes in the pulpits to prove that God is working in their churches and later on they die and you hear people crying ohhh Jesus 😅😅😅😅😅😅
He says “knowledge shall increase” has been severely misinterpreted.
What he doesn’t say is that for generations of Adventists this phrase has been interpreted and preached about as SDA pastors have said from their pulpits “look at all the strides man has made…knowledge has definitely been increased!” With each generation the examples have changed from the improvement in cars, highways, & travel, to science and technology; all said to point to these & say this is how we know we’re living in the last days. Now he changes it to mean “knowledge of the book” (of Daniel)😮 I’m no longer in the church so I wonder, is this now the new meaning for ‘knowledge being increased’ that Adventists have in general or it’s just just his POV?
What I’ve never understood about these assertions is how the Bible says no man knows the day nor the hour when Christ will return again but the spirit of guessing and trying to predict never seems to have left the Adventist Legacy. I mean I know we’re all supposed to be ready but the spirit of fear and warnings of probation ending and predictions etc just never ends in this church.
We’re supposed to have hope and the understanding that we’re saved-the beautiful message of the gospel. It defies reason.
Adventists have all this talk about being Bible based yet they simply ignore scripture they disagree with .
That quote from Joel is clearly fulfilled in Pentecost, yet SDAs ignore it and insist it’s talking about them.
Jesus clearly declared all foods clean, SDAs insist there are still unclean foods.
Scripture clearly calls the Holy Spirit as a seal of salvation, SDAs insist it’s the sabbath.
Jesus clearly said Hell is eternal, SDAs differ and say it’s not.
Paul clearly says the Law kills and no one will be justified by following it. SDAs insist we must follow the Law to be saved .
The Old Testament clearly sets up the way to discern a false prophet, Adventists claim Ellen as a prophet yet she clearly fails the biblical test for prophets.
It boggles the mind.
Exactly
Brief time one lived on earth I.e 70 or 9 years, being subjected to unending torment? I don't think Jesus Christ illustrated that, other than emphasizing grace and mercy. *(Luke 12: 47-48)*
Mmmmmmm, God have mercy. I am an Adventist, and we don't say it was not, just like we say about Elijah being sent, for me and my studies, Joel was partially fulfilled at pentecost. Or Elijah being equalled to John the Baptist yet the bible says "before the great and dreadful day of the Lord" referring to the second coming of Jesus. Several times. It's okay to ridicule a church or beliefs but do it with honesty and proper information. Just because someone said it doesn't mean it is true.
@@Listenwis-e2r You are not in the position to tell the Creator what the appropriated handling of His creation should be.
@@Ndagijimana-zm
You as an Adventist and not as a Christian, your opinion is actually irrelevant as your denomination do propagate a cursed gospel and a fake jesus.
I am always amazed by the images shown on stage, in videos, movies, leaflets.
Study them carefully : it's somewhere between L Ron Hubbard, the Watchtower and Independence day. Such a marketing...
Wow, that’s so true,,,,,
Historically, the SDA cult has a similar origin to JWs. And they both do the stupid proof-texting thing where you hopscotch about the Bible, ripping texts out of context.
I was taking Bible studies with a preacher and his wife, and after a few weeks I told him I’m ready to be baptized, after they scheduled the baptism I found out they are 7th day Adventist and I had to accept that the gift of prophecy was manifested in
Ellen g white. Basically accept her as a prophet to be baptized in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit
Why are they so possessed with end time prophecies? How about living up the spiritual fruits of their faith in Christ?
They have no faith in Christ, the sabbath is their god.
They are actually not put their faith in Lord Jesus but in false prophetess EGW words.
It seems to be SOP (standard operating procedure) with SDAs to take a word/phrase from the Bible & read wwhhaatteevveerr fanciful thing they want into it?
Yes, whatever fanciful thing their mascot "Ellen the Great" had to say about it.
They love any revelatory /prophetic scripture so they can read there own meaning into it
They are very similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The same rhetoric. I was a JW for 30 years and am a reformed evangelical Christian now. The Bible alone is Gods inspired word and all these cults with their cravats and their focus on men turn away the attention of men from the Holy Bible and our Lord Jesus.
7s Miller chart of 1844 puts Jesus on the cross AD 31. And that's after amending it several times. Real nice proffit they got. Should have asked a Jew first, Ellen. All those guys suckin up to her too.
The idea of 1844 comes, I believe, from the 2300 day prophecy. This was given by Gabriel, and referenced sacrifices. These ended in 70AD. Perhaps the whole matter was resolved by then, which was still future for Daniel. Perhaps the 2300 days does not have the same start date as the 70 weeks. I think we need to wait and see if it still applies.
The Daniel 8:14 prophecy is one about the little horn which comes out of a Greek kingdom (see Dan 8:21-22) that would stop the daily sacrifices (Dan. 8:11). In verse 12 it is prophesized that he would use an army to stop the daily sacrifices. In addition, these verses indicate that the temple would be desecrated and trampled underfoot, and that truth would be cast to the ground (verse 12). In verse 13, an angel asks how long it would be before the temple would be cleansed and put back into service after the desecrations that had occurred. The answer was 2,300 evening and mornings. Some think this means days based on Genesis others think this means 1,150 days based on the fact that they are two daily sacrifices per day--one in the evening and one in the morning.
Antiochus Epiphanes IV fulfilled these prophecies--he stopped the daily sacrifices, forbid the Jews access to the temple, stole all of the vessels and the vail in the temple, forbid the Scriptures, sacrificed pigs on the altar, and put an idol in the temple plus a lot more. When the Maccabees finally drove him out of Judah, the temple was restored (cleansed) and the sacrifices resumed. This cleansing occurred in late 165 BC. To this day, this event is celebrated by the Jews as Hanukah or the Feast of Dedication.
Tying this prophecy to Daniel 9 to come up with 1844 is a complete misapplication of Scripture.
Sounds about right. However, never say never. Sometimes prophecies can show up later as a shadow of the original. But whatever, 1844 doesn't seem to fit.
I see they've changed the name.
Daniel coincides with Revelation ... Both are Apocalyptic.... They're unveiled by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the 7 seals are opened only by Jesus.... Which proves Daniel and Revelation primarily deal with Israel, not the church! Scripture interprets scripture
1844 was the year the false prophet (the Báb) declared his mission, which was to prepare the way before the antiChrist (Bahá'u'lláh). All because of William Miller's false date setting.
@@robertanoble6433 interesting fact
Myles, are you able to show us the meaning of "the time of the end" from the Scripture without resorting to other people's interpretation of the verse? Maybe you can point to other instances in the Bible where the same phrase is used or idea is referred to and enlighten us by interpreting Scripture with Scripture.
NO we don't say 1844 for end times beginning
1798 is the years
@@elwoodmorine I’m aware. Bohr’s discussion was focused on 1844, though. Not 1798.
Doesn’t change the facts. Hebrews 1 wasn’t written in the 1700s.
@@answeringadventism so what
@@answeringadventism baptist say 1948 your not knocking them
@@elwoodmorine uhh, because this platform has nothing to do with baptists. I don’t know what baptists you’re referring to. No Baptist confession of faith says the end times started in the 1900s lol. You’re now taking individual people and blanketing baptists as a whole.
1689 particular baptists don’t believe this, for example.
You say “so what” which proves you don’t understand the problem this creates for your guys’ entire system. The end times didn’t started in 1798. That isn’t a “so what” reality for Adventist theology. That’s a catastrophic blow to the whole framework.
@@answeringadventism kkkk, you are sooo funny,hatred...
My denomination teaches 1874. I’ve moved on from that.
SDA here
I just want to mention this also about Hebrews 1:1-2. Lets take a look at it....
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom
also he made the worlds;..." Hebrews 1:1-2 KJV
Now many will use this verse to show that all prophesying has ceased. But this is not at all what this verse is saying.
Actually SDA's are very familiar with this verse and we reference it quite a lot.
On the EGW estate website and throuout her writings EGW herself cited this verse. So we have no problem with this verse
thinking that somehow it proves that there are to be no more prophets.
This verse tells us how God Himself use to communicate with men. God Himself spoke directly
to Adam and Eve in the garden. It was God Himself who spoke to Moses as the children of Israel journeyed.
Hebrews CH 1 nowhere says that prophesyings have ceased. Now God has essentially "appointed" the way he wants
to communicate to us through His Son.
So to put it quite simply, the visions of EGW did not come directly from GOD, but from his Son Jesus.
@@WebusertrUv that’s entirely irrelevant to this clip. Hebrews 1 says the last days were already underway. Long before 1798 lol your guys’ historicism clouds your entire understanding of the Bible.
Ellen White doesn’t even come close to passing the biblical test of a prophet. It’s not even close. So it’s irrelevant if you want to argue modern prophets. Even if that’s granted, it doesn’t vindicate Ellen White.
The time of the end began in 1798....that's when that current pope was taken captive and papal power ended. The papacy had no more countries willing to give them government assisted rule. France had been the first, it was also the last.
@teresamcnulty8471 As an exSDA, it is funny you guys are telling us things we have already known for decades but you think you are telling us something new. I mean we have studied all of this before. This is not groundbreaking news to most of us here.
@@teresamcnulty8471 you just assume your historicist eschatology is correct lol we don’t concede that. You state this so definitively as if it’s without question. You made so many assumptions.
“In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”-Hebrews 1:1-2
Hebrews 1 wasn’t written in the 1700s. Sorry.
Teresa..why 1798..?. I think you say that's when the deadly wound healed? Correct.. but that's not what it says in the first seven verses of Revelation 13. Because your time Prophecy from 538 to 1798 is not a prophecy in the Bible?. If it is you're going to have to show me where it's at.. when does revelation 13 say the deadly wound healed? (Before) or (after) the saints are giving into his hand? Who is revelation 12 written to? who does Daniel 9 say it is?
@@jimbob1644 no, that's when the deadly wound appeared to happen.
@@teresamcnulty8471 so you say it happened in 1798 correct ? When were the saints given into his hand?
Ok, you not accepting my reply so I’ll ask here, do you care to elaborate? Or just smack’em down?
What is your request?
@@jimbob1644
Must be something about the sabbath, for thats the only thing that live rentfree in their brains
@@nonconformist4802 so true!
You know exactly what it’s about. It was magically deleted 4 times to a statement you made in a reply, “Adventistm sounds like Babylon according to its own definition.” Now it has magically re-appeared.
P.S. looks like your hair plugs are ready for a touch-up. Just sayin
Please let us stop, criticising each , and get ready for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said focus to have your name written in the book of Life. Certurn scripture is not going safe you. Because you it better. Jesus said deny your self and pick up your cross and follow Me. We need Jesus More than ever. God bless.
Respectfully disagree. Exposing the errors of sabbatarianism is what's being done. It is done with love for Gods word and for Adventists.
If i have to leave sda church. It's my choice. I won't dreage people out with me. If i leave then i leave alone. And pray for me and them for God to help us to get through this life on Earth. Together . Together waiting for Jesus second return 🙏 let us work together as .
Your goal to live live just trying to be ready for Jesus’ return is something that is unbiblical but makes sense because it’s what Adventists focus on.
The focus of Christians should be to spread the gospel and increase Gods kingdom.
To just make sure one is ready for the second coming is selfish and totally ignores the Great Commission.
That’s unfortunate 😢 Can you prove by Scripture that those things aren’t true🤔
No true prophecy from Ellen yet and she is blindly being followed. How possessed can people be to remain sda? I guess somebody has to keep hell burning. So sad
Jesus said only my Father knows the end of the world
Outside the Word of White, you can't prove they are.
What exactly? That "the end times" dosent always mean the very end times? Cause he did in the video.
Or are you saying this guy's interpretation of Daniel? Cause unless you are bies towards adventists you are going to to the big stretches he made for said interpretation, the more assumptions you need to make the worse odds you have
@@RemingtonTripp Rev 22:10 And he said to me, " Do not keep the prophetic words of this book a secret, because the time is near when all this will happen. Rev 1:1-3
SDA here
@ 4:43 he says..."Peter preaching in Acts, cites Joel
who prophecied that in the last days....he dosen't cite this to refer to a long off distant future."
Are you cetain about that? Because one of Peter's contemporaries does cite a scripture pointing to distant time. His name
was Paul...
“Let no one decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come,” he says, “except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
Who was that man of sin and when was he revealed?...
A. "The “man of sin,” which is also styled the “mystery of iniquity,” the “son of perdition,” and “that wicked,” represents the papacy, which, as foretold in prophecy, was to maintain its supremacy for 1260 years. This period ended in 1798."
1988 edition Great Controversy page 356
So the time of the end actually started in 1798 not 1844.
*Let no one decieve you by any means*
Ex-SDA here: Yes, let no one deceive you by any means, which includes any means that false prophets use.
@@WebusertrUv peters entire point in citing Joel is to say what Joel prophecied about WAS taking place then and there. He wasn’t citing it to say it’s still far off into the future.
His whole sermon is quotations of the Old Testament to show how it foretold of Jesus and their fulfillment was found in him. That they are now a present reality. People did have dreams and visions, etc. then and there in the foundation paint of the church.
Citing Paul in a totally different context has nothing to do with Acts. And no, the “end times” didn’t start in the 1700s. Hebrews 1 wasn’t written in the 1700s either.
@WebusertrUv No Bible verse instead you use a plagariz3d book.
@@Donatello-b4x See this everyone.
How come he said nothing to Myles about using the words of Charles Ellicott, or the many other unbiblical sources he uses in these videos.
@WebusertrUv Fair enough but he does use multiple sources that have been verified but you are using the same old plagiarized book.
Absolutely nothing wrong with what he said
But you have no other prophetic message that explains all the religeous events that are quiçkly unfolding in the last days
@@BluefaceBaby-m7h yes, great job proving absolutely nothing. The “last days” began loooong before you guys claim which throws the whole SDA “prophetic” chronology off.
Yes, we do have “a prophetic message.” The problem is you apparently think this only means special insight that only your small little sect has. The most prophecy in the Bible pertaining to the last days is about JESUS. God incarnating and dwelling amongst us. Not a bunch of signs and symbols aided by a bunch of conspiracy. The “last days” are the entire period between the ascension and the second coming.
The last "prophetic message" was the Revelation to John at the end of the 1st Century A.D., which can be read in the last book of the Bible. All actual prophecies are in the Bible. Anyone after John the Apostle who claims to be a "prophet" is a liar and a false teacher, as is anyone who claims that any "other prophetic message" beyond the Bible is necessary.
This Pastor is an apostate. It’s dangerous to judge a group from the words of one member. Unfortunately he represents a lot of Adventist thinking these days. Remember they are fellow sinners and no one is exempt. Being a pastor they must be held to higher standards. He doesn’t represent original Adventist theology.
Adventism sounds like Babylon according to its own definition. 😵💫
Ok, your not excepting my reply so I’ll ask here. Do you care to elaborate? Or just smack’em down?
@@mickexplorerI can prove he told you the truth. Because when you know the prophecy it will prove that he told you the truth. So what's Daniel 12 telling you! Who is it written to is it written to you?
@@jimbob1644 I was born and raised in Fresno I attended the Academy there I’ve known this pastor over 50 years. I see the emotional connection with all of his members from being there for so long which I don’t agree with in and of itself. I don’t need you or him to explain Daniel 12 to me. He has recently canceled a Dr. Conrad Vine from speaking at their conference over in Monterey soon.
This is from advent messenger,” Whether you agree or disagree with certain conferences canceling Pastor Bohr, at least they have been transparent about their decisions. Unfortunately, Secrets Unsealed Ministry has not yet disclosed the reasons for Dr. Conrad Vine’s cancellation to its supporters or summit attendees. Perhaps that secret will also be unsealed at some point.” That’s messed up what he did and if you stand behind him over this you are messed up too. He is part of the cancel culture. His recent sermon on Satans impersonation of Christ is wrong with his claim the Antichrist appears after the close of probation. He’s become smug. Never licked him before and he’s getting worse. Pray for your pastor brother. These are deceptive times. Just look at this fool here talking smack about Gods remnant church. I feel for his minions that come to his aid. They are just giving him a false sense of security in his confusion.
We rebuke negative energy from a tattooed prisoner, Another release of blasphemous statements to earn a living 😅😅😅
You sound like a New Age crystal woo woo lady. It's nice to see that tattoos still live rent-free in your head...
They are very similar to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The same rhetoric. I was a JW for 30 years and am a reformed evangelical Christian now. The Bible alone is Gods inspired word and all these cults with their cravats and their focus on men turn away the attention of men from the Holy Bible and our Lord Jesus.