Hello, i'm pinning this comment for a few more details concerning the C3 and what would be good alternatives to it depending on what you're going to use your grinder for. The C3 is great for filter coffee but for espresso this is definitely not the grinder for you but it could make pressurized espresso well enough. Bare in mind i've only done filter coffee and not touched espresso yet but these are what i think would be good options to look for on the market. Timemore C2 (~50$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/4000978924080.html The younger C3's brother can be adjusted for twice the amounts of clicks but however uses a different burr so grind uniformity and taste will be different. I prefer the C3's burr but if you're looking into pressurized espresso this has 4 clicks available whereas the C3 only has 2 clicks. Xeoleo with 6 star burr (~50$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/4000088848451.html A very interesting grinder because it uses a burr that is similar to the well-known (and very expensive) Comandante C40. I unfortunately don't know how many clicks are available but it is very similar to the R11 coffee grinder that i compare it to in the video so this could be a very interesting budget coffee grinder for pressurized espresso and filter coffee. It is also similar to the Normcore V1.1 which according to the manufacturer has 12 clicks only so if the Xeoleo and Normcore use the same system they would have 3 clicks for espresso. Hero S01 (~50$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002900855017.html Consider this as a plastic body alternative to the Timemore C2 since it uses the same burr. Kingrinder K1 (~45$) or K2 (60$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003874237354.html They are marketed as starters for italian / pressurized espresso and use a good 6 star burr just like the Xeoleo. The K1 for 45$ is a really interesting choice but no information on the click range. The K2 uses a bigger 48mm burr so that is worth considering as well. Hope this helps, there's really a lot of options for budget coffee grinders and i can't compare them all since i've only had the Timemore C3, Hero S01 and R11. These are my top picks. For espresso, Kyle Rowsell made a very good comparison of hand grinders on TH-cam. My budget picks for espresso would be the Normcore V2, the 6 star version of the 1Zpresso Q2 and the Kingrinder K3 / K4 / K6. These are all around 80 to 120$ so quite the step up from the 50$ ones but really worth considering if you plan on touching espresso in the future. Good luck in your coffee journey :) !
@@iquintani Hello ! I remember someone fitted a C3 burr set inside a C2 and it did fit so it could be interesting to replace your C2 burrs with the C3's S2C ones. If you can find the 1Zpresso Q2 Heptagonal or the Kingrinder K5 / K6 those would be very interesting upgrades too. I feel like the C3 was really good for these coarse methods but weren't the best for finer grind methods.
@@iquintani Oh and here's the link the person used just in case : www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802450838483.html so this one should fit. The S2C is the 6 core plus but you could also go for the heptagonal 7 core.
Thanks for the video. One thing about the recipe at 11:20. The ratio says 280ml but, from 0:00 to 1:20 there seems to be an extra 30ml. Anyway, seeing the details of the grinder is very useful.
Have you tried disassembling it? Might be something stuck inside the burr. Try unscrewing the bottom all the way so everything pops out and give it a good clean. I have a video here : th-cam.com/video/bBIqFtG2rvc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d6J2AoxIrWM9zeBl It's not the same model but it's pretty much the same procedure. Otherwise there's probably some videos of C3 disassemblies.
Great work on the video! I appreciate the overall detail as well as the daily recipe at the end. One quick question, how many clicks did you set your C3 for your daily brew grind?
Thank you kindly :D So if i go for the recipe i showed here which is just a method most people use, i go for 11 to 13 clicks. It depends on the roast (darker would be 13, light would be 11 as it has to be finer for more extraction). I however changed to Tetsu Kasuya's method which i showed in my latest video in a bit more detail as well as the 2021 Aeropress Champion recipe and they both use coarsely ground coffee. I go for 17-18 clicks using those methods and i highly recommend you giving those a try :D not sure if it's the C3 doing really good work at coarse settings but my brews have been great. Hope it helps :)
@@KrazyShark Thank you for the quick response! I actually just recently found out about the 4:6 method by Tetsu Kasuya. I'm planning on trying it out soon so I appreciate you mentioning the grind setting for that as well! Been doing a lot of trial and error with my brews which is why your input is of great help. I just subbed and I'll make sure to check out your recent video :)
@@Mirko0128 Awesome, definitely give it a try :) Brewing pourover coffee can really be frustrating when it's inconsistent but once you find your sweet spot it's a bliss. I've been having really nice results with Tetsu's so i'm gonna stick with it. Thanks for the sub ! I don't post very regularly since the kitchen is often busy 😅 but i got a few video ideas still :)
@@j.4800 Hello ! i never really use Moka pots unfortunately so no clue but I'd say maybe 11-12 clicks. Go from there and adjust it depending on how it tastes :))
Love that pouring method you've got going. I'm getting my first hand grinder soon. Came across your video cause I was looking at the Timemore C3 but I think I'll settle for the Kingrinder K1 instead since it can grind espresso too. Not looking to spend too much on a first grinder. I think the K2 is probably faster cause of the larger burr but any of the Kingrinder are compatible with electric drills so.... worst case, I'll use an electric drill hahaha
Hello ! Glad to hear :D Are you from the US ? Because I've seen the whole Kingrinder lineup on Amazon being particularly attractive pricewise on it. I think going for a Kingrinder is definitely a good first grinder choice, you should be more than happy enough with the K1, if you plan on filter coffee (and other slow mehtods) and pressurized espresso that is. If you plan on trying out non-pressurized / single wall espresso it could be interesting to go with the K4 or K6 but if not I don't think paying twice the price for them is worth it, unless you'd really like adjusting grinds from the exterior too, that looks very satisfying to use instead of the grind settings inside under the burr itself. Whatever your decision might be hope you enjoy it ! :)
@@KrazyShark Haha sadly no, I'm from Canada. With import fees and shipping, I can get the K1 slightly cheaper than from Amazon US. I've only been doing pour overs but whole bean seems so much cheaper than pre-ground coffee and I read that whole bean tastes a lot better too. I've started looking into local roasters as well so hopefully I can up the coffee game hahaha I like how Kingrinder's site states that K1 can do espresso and I also read on one blog review that it can do espresso. I'm not sure what single wall espresso means but all I understand is that espresso needs to be pressurized via espresso machine? I feel like it's either K1, K2, K4 or K6 for me.... and seeing that I'm totally new to whole bean, I think starting out with K1 might be the way to go. Not a big investment and not so big in size like a Baratza Encore while getting the most of grinding... rather than a cheap electric blade grinder.
@@poiisondn Definitely go with the K1 then, 100%. The workflow you get by using a handgrinder for filter coffee is actually really nice. I tend to just boil my water and while it's boiling get everything ready so cup, v60, server, paper filter and grind my coffee in the mean time. It is much much much better and way tastier cups that you'll get grinding good beans by yourself and finding a recipe that you like. The K1 isn't lying however, it can do espresso, just like my C3 can do espresso but they were not made and built for espresso specifically, meaning that pressurized basket espresso (basically instead of having multiple holes at the bottom of the basket, there's only a single one which is what creates the pressure for espresso in this case so that the quality and precision of your grind won't matter too much) are totally possible with these grinders, but more desired non-pressurized espresso shots are much harder to get correctly because the grind size here matters a lot since it's your puck of coffee that will create resistance and so pressure for proper extraction. But don't worry there's a lot of stuff in the world of coffee to know about, take your time and learn step by step. Getting a handgrinder and learning pourover is kind of how I started and it's been great with the hand grinder.
@@KrazyShark Okay I had to look this up and read LOL. I didn't even know espressos had pressurized vs non-pressurized differences. Gosh I should just buy 1 grinder like the K6 and call it done forever HAHAHA that's how it works right? Buy it for life!
@@poiisondn The K6 could easily be an endgame handgrinder :P that's for sure. I have never tried it unfortunately, there's an awesome video from Lance Hedrick where he compares many hand grinders including the K6 and for the value it's probably one of the best out there. Handgrinding for espresso however haha, that's a different story. I don't know how easier it would be on the K6 but I struggle a lot on my C3 so that's why I'm buying an electric grinder instead and keep the handgrinding for filter :p
Most burr grinders are made of steel so using water is generally not recommended to avoid rust. What i typically do is disassemble everything and give every pieces a gentle rub with a paper towel or cloth and also use the included brush or any other gentle brushes you have to scrub the coffee particles away. Same goes for the inside of the body, just use paper towel or cloth and use your finger or the other side of the brush to clean the inside. If you want you can use a bit of water to make the paper towel or cloth a bit damp but you really want everything to be dry when you're finished. In order to avoid having to clean it a lot i also do the Ross Droplet Technique which basically is spraying some water on your coffee beans or stir them with a wet stick so that the static is less pronounced after you grind. And then again after grinding and while i'm brewing coffee i use the included brush to clean the burr a bit. Hope that helps :) i may do a cleaning video some time that could be an idea.
hey man, what kettle are you using to pour water? most kettles I've seen on Amazon seem to rust. I'm looking for a high quality one that will last a while
Hello ! There definitely is tons of kettles out there. Mine is a Miroco branded one that I found on Amazon DE but I see it on Walmart as well for 56$ and some suspiciously similar model from Airyoyo on Amazon US for 79$. I'm not sure where you're from but if you're in the US those are your options for my kettle which has hold on pretty well for now but unfortunately I can't find it anywhere on Amazon Europe nowadays. The big expensive boy that most people have is the Fellow Stagg but yeah that one is very pricey. There's also one from Timemore called Fish for some reason, that one is a bit more affordable.
Hello :) I prefer the burr set used inside the C3 personally, but i don't think there will be such a huge gap flavorwise. If you use an Aeropress and travel once in a while, the slim plus fits inside the Aeropress so that's very handy. However if you don't really need that feature i'd advise you get the Timemore C3 or even better the Kingrinder K1, K2 or K3 etc.
shame theres only 5 clicks between espresso (8) and that very coarse looking filter grind (13) which you demonstrated. I was considering this grinder but might have to increase my budget and get the X-lite for its half-steps
Very good point. I normally pinned a comment where i shared my extra thoughts on this grinder and maybe alternatives if you're looking for a more espresso focused grinder. You should check the 1Zpresso range and also the Kingrinder K1/K2. It goes until K6 and gets more and more specialized, definitely worth a look.
Heyo :) The Scale is indeed a Timemore product. It's the Timemore Black Mirror Basic Plus which is like 50-60$ on Aliexpress i believe. The Kettle however is something i found on Amazon but sadly i can't find it anywhere. It's from Miroco and i think it was really good for 50$ but there are plenty of other choices if you check for Gooseneck Kettle on Amazon or Aliexpress.
after using it for a while. How many clicks do you recommend for the video recipe? And could you also tell me how many clicks for aeropress? Is the video light or medium roast coffee? thank you
Hello ! I have a more recent video about the Tetsu Kasuya method I use here : th-cam.com/video/OivXZ4Q0p-Y/w-d-xo.html It's 17-18 clicks for me as it uses coarsely ground coffee. For Aeropress same, I use Tuomas Merikanto's 2021 Champion recipe aeroprecipe.com/recipes/2021-world-aeropress-champion that I found was really nice for light roasts or medium roasts. (I only use 1 paper filter, 2 seems a bit wasteful)
thank you. I had seen the other video, and the grinding is totally different from this video, that's why I was asking you. in this video how many clicks? What difference is there between brew and the recipe you send me from aeropress? I don't know the clicks. Thank you
@@txali8721 hi ! sorry, i misread your first comment. In this video i used 13-12 clicks :) I can't really say about the difference for now cause I haven't been drinking too much coffee and practicing lately but all I remember is that the 2021 Aeropress champion recipe was amazing for light roasts. Very juicy, sweet, balanced and high clarity cups.
Hello. Great review. Just bought a C3 for non espresso needs. I can say I'm impressed considering the price. Great value for money grinder. However can you tell me how many clicks is C3 have? I know from the manual it's recommended to never use below 7clicks. Thanks for the great review.
Glad to hear ! :) So i believe this has around 24-25 clicks ? Because from 1 to 6 it's not useable at all since the burr will be too close and could potentially be damaged. From 7 to 10 i'd say is the espresso range which is really really small. From 10 to 16 would be the pour over or aeropress range i think. Then 17 to 24-25 would be coarse for methods like the french press and cold brew. After 25 i think it becomes way too coarse / big for anything. I usually go between 10 and 13 for my pourover, it all depends on the kind of coffee (country, type, roast level etc.). Hope that helps and thanks for watching :) !
@@KrazyShark most concise and comprehensive information I found on the internet on this. Thanks a lot!! For me 15clicks is the sweet spot for 4:6 method v60. Drains in time for each 45s pours. I will try with 20clicks for cowboy brew next. And also how many clicks do you recommend for "close to SCA standard" cupping method in C3? Again thank you very much for your answer. Super. Highly appreciated. Subscribed.
@@rrbramansyah9150 Cool :D glad i could help, good thing you found your sweetspot and yeah it's always fun to experiment other brewing methods. To be completely honest i've never done cupping / taste testing coffee like a professional so i really can't tell which clicks would offer the best method for doing that since i don't even know how fine or coarse it has to be 😅 my bad.
You mean the metallic sound ? I actually like it but I can see how some people might find it annoying or even can't stand it like nails on a chalkboard. It's not that loud, just that I raised up the volume in my video to make it more ASMR-ish but in reality it's fine and it even sounds much duller now (less sharp if that makes sense) since I've been using it.
What grind setting do you use for pour over? (Eg hario v60). Do you have a tip on settings for grinding for aeropress and cold brew? I have the timemore c3 on the way 🙂
Hi ! :) So for the Hario V60 (Pour Over) and also the Aeropress I set it up to 17-18 clicks for a rather coarse grind as you can see in my Tetsu Kasuya method th-cam.com/video/OivXZ4Q0p-Y/w-d-xo.html The Aeropress recipe also uses the same coarse grind, check out Tuomas Merikanto's Aeropress 2021 Champion method. th-cam.com/video/Uw5nWy9NZxQ/w-d-xo.html I only use 1 paper filter instead of 2 however cause it seems rather wasteful. For Cold Brew I think you could also stick to 17-18 clicks or go even coarser at maybe 19-20 clicks. Hope you enjoy your Timemore C3 :) It's a great little grinder.
Daamn those burrs look a lot like the C40's or the K plus (I don't remember which one). Is it a huge jump in uniformity compared to the C2? Like the Q2 heptagonal vs Q2 pentagonal burrs.
I'd say so yes. Definitely a flavor profile that i like more with the clarity of flavors you get. And yeah looks a lot more like those burrs but never had the chance to play with the C40 or K Plus cause they're so insanely expensive 🥲 Maybe the burrs of the Normcore V1.1 and V2 would be interesting as well.
@@KrazyShark Just noticed that the S2C cuts are the same of the Chestnut X. Just not sure if they are the same size. I wonder the price that Timemore is going to set to this grinder, because it's using the same burrs as their flagship
Not really sure about it. For pressurized espresso probably the C3 for taste. For real espresso though i don't think you'll have a good time with either of these. The C3 only has a few clicks for espresso and the C2 has a few more but that's not really it's primary use so not sure how good the grind will be if you're dialing in your espresso and such. But again i'm just getting into espresso so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Mhh, that's a good question actually. I believe the Picopresso uses a naked portafilter compared to the Nanopresso's safer pressurized portafilter so grind size and adjustability will be pretty important for it. Unfortunately this only has 2-3 espresso clicks adjustments out of the box so finetuning and dialing espresso will be quite the struggle. It does grind very fine don't get me wrong but i'm not sure it'll perform the best with the Picopresso or just any non pressurized espresso due to the limited clicks available but since i don't really do espresso (yet) or ever used the Picopresso i can't 100% tell. One that comes to mind for that job however would be the Normcore V2. Kyle Roswell did a very nice hand grinder comparison too if you want more options.
It's to avoid static while you're grinding your beans that way the ground coffee just falls down without sticking to the underside of the burr which is extremely messy. It's called the Ross Droplet Technique and people do this in different ways : Some use a wet stick like wet the handle of a spoon and stir the beans with it like me while others use a small spray of mist to get them wet. I have a small video about it if you wanna take a look : th-cam.com/video/8H4o9A3u5LA/w-d-xo.html at 1:23 you can see how much coffee stuck under the grinder while at 4:57 using the RDT it's completely clean.
I really like the S2C burr used in this one more than the burrs used in the C2. I don't have the C2 but i do have the Hero S01 which uses the exact same burr and for me the flavors just came trough a lot more with the C3. Highly recommend spending a bit more for the C3 than the C2.
@@KrazyShark I lost my C2 that I use for pour over coffee and was going to buy another C2, but now I guess I'll try the C3, same price for both on Aliexpress. Thanks for sharing!
Hi,i have the flair pro.and always used a standard mill grinder.ive been doing research for the best manual grinder in my budget.i found the c2 and ct titanium.from what I’ve found the q2 seems the best got the price.now I’ve just seen this it’s either c3 or q2? Which one for flair pro?
C3 will definitely struggle for your needs with a Flair Pro in the way that it doesn't have many adjustable clicks for espresso shots. I think the C3 and the C2 were thought more towards filter coffee and maybe pressurized portafilter espressos and other methods but for the Flair Pro you definitely need something well a bit more pro. Mind you i haven't touched the (non-pressurized) espresso world yet but the Q2 has a lot more clicks to dial your espresso so i'd go with that. Now there's a weird thing about the Q2 as in there's two versions of it with two different burr sets inside: one with a heptagonal (seven core) burr that is apparently great for espresso which you can see in Kyle Rowsell's video titled "The Best $100 Hand Grinder? 1ZPRESSO Q2 Hand Grinder (Heptagonal)" and you can see what that burr looks like at 2:45. The other burr is the one that has probably been used the most in all hand grinders cause it's mass produced in china and it's the one you find in the C2 as well. It's the one that looks more rounded compared to the very straight edges of the heptagonal version. That burr i don't really recommend either for espresso because it seems like the other burr sets will just do a way better job for espresso so if you're gonna get a Q2 might as well get the more expensive heptagonal version. The other one i would recommend if the price is good is the Normcore V2 which was also featured in Kyle Roswell's video titled "BEST COFFEE HAND GRINDER UNDER $350?!" but the price on Amazon and their official website can be very different so yeah it really depends. That video Kyle made is great to compare different hand grinders for espresso but yes the two that are definitely great for the price are the 1Zpresso Q2, the Q2 heptagonal (which is a tad more expensive usually) and the Normcore V2. Hope that helps and thanks for passing by :)
Thank you:) that’s realy great help,you’ve saved me a lot of hassle.im on a budget,I have the flair pro as it’s good shots for the price.a bellman stove top steamer.now I need a better grinder so will go with q2:) thanks again
Hi the zpesso q2 should arrive anytime now.im using it with the flair signature pro first release.do you know what number I should set the grind to with the q2?or somewere it will atleast work.with the flair it has to be just right so it dosent go through too quick or take too long.it took me ages to get my cheaper grinder just right.so if there’s a rough idea it will save me time and coffee beans.ive heard 9 clicks somewere.but I’ve not used it yet so not fully sure how that one sets up grinds. Thanks
For pressurized this grinds fine enough for it. Not many adjustments however but should be fine. Other alternatives would be the Timemore C2, Hero S01, the Normcore V1.1 and the Xeoleo with the burr similar to the Comandante's :) I unfortunately don't remember which ones have more espresso clicks but yeah from the top of my head those would do the trick. I believe the C2 has 10-14 so 4 clicks while the C3 only has 7-8 so 2 clicks. I however like the burr they are using inside more than the C2's. The Xeoleo using the Comandante style burr is very interesting but i don't see how many clicks are available. It's around the same price as the C3 so it's worth the look :)
For a Moka Pot I wouldn't know, I haven't really tried Moka Pot recipes much. I use a V60 rather than a Chemex but I think 12-13 would be a good starting point for it, that's what I use for my old daily recipe.
@@AutoBotcity1978 Good luck :D bare in mind coffees are all super different so you'd have to adjust your grind settings depending how slow or how fast it pours down. For example I have an ethiopian coffee that needs super coarse 20 clicks for good extraction while I have an anaerobic colombian coffee that pours down so fast that I need to grind it much finer at 15 clicks with the exact same method. (Tetsu Kasuya method, as shown in my latest short)
@@KrazyShark I usually get medium Roasts but I see what you mean. Is there a tool to show me the corrected size for the pour over? And thanks for the tips
Indeed ! The C3 does a great job for slow coffee. It's amazing for coarse ground methods like Tetsuya's V60 and Tuomas Merikanto's Aeropress recipes. Really brings out most flavors out of it.
@@KrazyShark how do you think it would do for finer methods like James Hoffman's? My current options are the C2 upgraded (with metal adjustment knob) and C3. I've read so far that they're similarly uniform but the C3 is slower with more clarity, the C2 faster with more sweetness and complexity due to different burrs. Where I live, there's a 15% price difference between c2 and c3 and I'm not sure which to go with
@@zakariyabaker874 Having tried the C2's burr via the Hero S01 i really can't go back to it. I feel like the C3's burr just is a bit better overall, lots more clarity and flavor but i might be biased honestly, it's hard to tell. If you ever get the C3 i highly recommend it at 17-18 clicks and use those coarse methods i mentioned. For fine grinds however i still think the C3's burr would work but the main issue with the C3 is the lack of range / clicks you get so for fine tuning fine methods it's impossible compared to the C2 unless you hack it but i usually don't like fiddling around grinders. I wish i could get a Kingrinder K1/K2 and compare them to the Timemore C3 cause i think they're similarly priced and the burr in the Kingrinder looks pretty good. But i think overall if you go for either using James' method they should perform pretty similarly, with the C3 having a slightly better profile i feel like.
@@KrazyShark thanks so much. Having researched the Kingrinder K2, I'm really tempted to try it with those 48mm burrs... But where I am, it will cost $85 and the C3 is about $60, so I'm not sure if it's worth the risk
it good Joke aside it was great for coarse coffee methods like Tetsu Kasuya's 4-6 technique or in the Aeropress. I think if it's your first one it will be very good.
Really good ! Nice clarity and transparency, flavors came through very well. I set the grind to 13 clicks and it was already a good setting for my brewing method.
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Hello, i'm pinning this comment for a few more details concerning the C3 and what would be good alternatives to it depending on what you're going to use your grinder for. The C3 is great for filter coffee but for espresso this is definitely not the grinder for you but it could make pressurized espresso well enough. Bare in mind i've only done filter coffee and not touched espresso yet but these are what i think would be good options to look for on the market.
Timemore C2 (~50$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/4000978924080.html
The younger C3's brother can be adjusted for twice the amounts of clicks but however uses a different burr so grind uniformity and taste will be different. I prefer the C3's burr but if you're looking into pressurized espresso this has 4 clicks available whereas the C3 only has 2 clicks.
Xeoleo with 6 star burr (~50$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/4000088848451.html
A very interesting grinder because it uses a burr that is similar to the well-known (and very expensive) Comandante C40. I unfortunately don't know how many clicks are available but it is very similar to the R11 coffee grinder that i compare it to in the video so this could be a very interesting budget coffee grinder for pressurized espresso and filter coffee.
It is also similar to the Normcore V1.1 which according to the manufacturer has 12 clicks only so if the Xeoleo and Normcore use the same system they would have 3 clicks for espresso.
Hero S01 (~50$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002900855017.html
Consider this as a plastic body alternative to the Timemore C2 since it uses the same burr.
Kingrinder K1 (~45$) or K2 (60$) : www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003874237354.html
They are marketed as starters for italian / pressurized espresso and use a good 6 star burr just like the Xeoleo. The K1 for 45$ is a really interesting choice but no information on the click range. The K2 uses a bigger 48mm burr so that is worth considering as well.
Hope this helps, there's really a lot of options for budget coffee grinders and i can't compare them all since i've only had the Timemore C3, Hero S01 and R11. These are my top picks.
For espresso, Kyle Rowsell made a very good comparison of hand grinders on TH-cam. My budget picks for espresso would be the Normcore V2, the 6 star version of the 1Zpresso Q2 and the Kingrinder K3 / K4 / K6. These are all around 80 to 120$ so quite the step up from the 50$ ones but really worth considering if you plan on touching espresso in the future. Good luck in your coffee journey :) !
Thank you. I have the C2. Would you recommend just buying the C3 burr set and put it on the C2? Thanks
@@iquintani Hello ! I remember someone fitted a C3 burr set inside a C2 and it did fit so it could be interesting to replace your C2 burrs with the C3's S2C ones. If you can find the 1Zpresso Q2 Heptagonal or the Kingrinder K5 / K6 those would be very interesting upgrades too. I feel like the C3 was really good for these coarse methods but weren't the best for finer grind methods.
@@iquintani Oh and here's the link the person used just in case : www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802450838483.html so this one should fit. The S2C is the 6 core plus but you could also go for the heptagonal 7 core.
@@KrazyShark thank you! That's really helpful!!
I have seen people make good espresso with this ofc it’s not meant for that but it does an ok job especially for the price
Thanks for the video. One thing about the recipe at 11:20. The ratio says 280ml but, from 0:00 to 1:20 there seems to be an extra 30ml. Anyway, seeing the details of the grinder is very useful.
Hi, I just bought my C3 and it doesn't spin at all, no matter how much force (or torque) I use, the handle doesn't spin - do you know why?
Have you tried disassembling it? Might be something stuck inside the burr. Try unscrewing the bottom all the way so everything pops out and give it a good clean. I have a video here : th-cam.com/video/bBIqFtG2rvc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=d6J2AoxIrWM9zeBl It's not the same model but it's pretty much the same procedure. Otherwise there's probably some videos of C3 disassemblies.
Nice tutorial :-) Just by Timemore C3.
Your videos are so pleasant to watch
i just bought the eb burr 1 week before they release the c3, now im waiting the s2c burr to be sell as a parts
So do I
Great work on the video! I appreciate the overall detail as well as the daily recipe at the end. One quick question, how many clicks did you set your C3 for your daily brew grind?
Thank you kindly :D
So if i go for the recipe i showed here which is just a method most people use, i go for 11 to 13 clicks. It depends on the roast (darker would be 13, light would be 11 as it has to be finer for more extraction).
I however changed to Tetsu Kasuya's method which i showed in my latest video in a bit more detail as well as the 2021 Aeropress Champion recipe and they both use coarsely ground coffee. I go for 17-18 clicks using those methods and i highly recommend you giving those a try :D not sure if it's the C3 doing really good work at coarse settings but my brews have been great. Hope it helps :)
@@KrazyShark Thank you for the quick response! I actually just recently found out about the 4:6 method by Tetsu Kasuya. I'm planning on trying it out soon so I appreciate you mentioning the grind setting for that as well! Been doing a lot of trial and error with my brews which is why your input is of great help. I just subbed and I'll make sure to check out your recent video :)
@@Mirko0128 Awesome, definitely give it a try :)
Brewing pourover coffee can really be frustrating when it's inconsistent but once you find your sweet spot it's a bliss. I've been having really nice results with Tetsu's so i'm gonna stick with it. Thanks for the sub ! I don't post very regularly since the kitchen is often busy 😅 but i got a few video ideas still :)
Hi, How many clicks do you recommend for a moka coffee maker?
@@j.4800 Hello ! i never really use Moka pots unfortunately so no clue but I'd say maybe 11-12 clicks. Go from there and adjust it depending on how it tastes :))
Love that pouring method you've got going. I'm getting my first hand grinder soon. Came across your video cause I was looking at the Timemore C3 but I think I'll settle for the Kingrinder K1 instead since it can grind espresso too. Not looking to spend too much on a first grinder. I think the K2 is probably faster cause of the larger burr but any of the Kingrinder are compatible with electric drills so.... worst case, I'll use an electric drill hahaha
Hello ! Glad to hear :D
Are you from the US ? Because I've seen the whole Kingrinder lineup on Amazon being particularly attractive pricewise on it. I think going for a Kingrinder is definitely a good first grinder choice, you should be more than happy enough with the K1, if you plan on filter coffee (and other slow mehtods) and pressurized espresso that is. If you plan on trying out non-pressurized / single wall espresso it could be interesting to go with the K4 or K6 but if not I don't think paying twice the price for them is worth it, unless you'd really like adjusting grinds from the exterior too, that looks very satisfying to use instead of the grind settings inside under the burr itself.
Whatever your decision might be hope you enjoy it ! :)
@@KrazyShark Haha sadly no, I'm from Canada. With import fees and shipping, I can get the K1 slightly cheaper than from Amazon US. I've only been doing pour overs but whole bean seems so much cheaper than pre-ground coffee and I read that whole bean tastes a lot better too. I've started looking into local roasters as well so hopefully I can up the coffee game hahaha
I like how Kingrinder's site states that K1 can do espresso and I also read on one blog review that it can do espresso. I'm not sure what single wall espresso means but all I understand is that espresso needs to be pressurized via espresso machine?
I feel like it's either K1, K2, K4 or K6 for me.... and seeing that I'm totally new to whole bean, I think starting out with K1 might be the way to go. Not a big investment and not so big in size like a Baratza Encore while getting the most of grinding... rather than a cheap electric blade grinder.
@@poiisondn Definitely go with the K1 then, 100%. The workflow you get by using a handgrinder for filter coffee is actually really nice. I tend to just boil my water and while it's boiling get everything ready so cup, v60, server, paper filter and grind my coffee in the mean time. It is much much much better and way tastier cups that you'll get grinding good beans by yourself and finding a recipe that you like.
The K1 isn't lying however, it can do espresso, just like my C3 can do espresso but they were not made and built for espresso specifically, meaning that pressurized basket espresso (basically instead of having multiple holes at the bottom of the basket, there's only a single one which is what creates the pressure for espresso in this case so that the quality and precision of your grind won't matter too much) are totally possible with these grinders, but more desired non-pressurized espresso shots are much harder to get correctly because the grind size here matters a lot since it's your puck of coffee that will create resistance and so pressure for proper extraction.
But don't worry there's a lot of stuff in the world of coffee to know about, take your time and learn step by step. Getting a handgrinder and learning pourover is kind of how I started and it's been great with the hand grinder.
@@KrazyShark Okay I had to look this up and read LOL. I didn't even know espressos had pressurized vs non-pressurized differences. Gosh I should just buy 1 grinder like the K6 and call it done forever HAHAHA that's how it works right?
Buy it for life!
@@poiisondn The K6 could easily be an endgame handgrinder :P that's for sure. I have never tried it unfortunately, there's an awesome video from Lance Hedrick where he compares many hand grinders including the K6 and for the value it's probably one of the best out there.
Handgrinding for espresso however haha, that's a different story. I don't know how easier it would be on the K6 but I struggle a lot on my C3 so that's why I'm buying an electric grinder instead and keep the handgrinding for filter :p
after buying this grinder, shall we have to clean the grinder using hot water?
Most burr grinders are made of steel so using water is generally not recommended to avoid rust.
What i typically do is disassemble everything and give every pieces a gentle rub with a paper towel or cloth and also use the included brush or any other gentle brushes you have to scrub the coffee particles away. Same goes for the inside of the body, just use paper towel or cloth and use your finger or the other side of the brush to clean the inside. If you want you can use a bit of water to make the paper towel or cloth a bit damp but you really want everything to be dry when you're finished.
In order to avoid having to clean it a lot i also do the Ross Droplet Technique which basically is spraying some water on your coffee beans or stir them with a wet stick so that the static is less pronounced after you grind. And then again after grinding and while i'm brewing coffee i use the included brush to clean the burr a bit.
Hope that helps :) i may do a cleaning video some time that could be an idea.
@@KrazyShark thank you i do appreciate it. Your cleaning video would be helpful for all new home brewers
nice vid, loved it!
How many clicks did you use in this recipe?
Went with between 11-13 clicks on this one :)
hey man, what kettle are you using to pour water? most kettles I've seen on Amazon seem to rust. I'm looking for a high quality one that will last a while
Hello !
There definitely is tons of kettles out there. Mine is a Miroco branded one that I found on Amazon DE but I see it on Walmart as well for 56$ and some suspiciously similar model from Airyoyo on Amazon US for 79$. I'm not sure where you're from but if you're in the US those are your options for my kettle which has hold on pretty well for now but unfortunately I can't find it anywhere on Amazon Europe nowadays. The big expensive boy that most people have is the Fellow Stagg but yeah that one is very pricey. There's also one from Timemore called Fish for some reason, that one is a bit more affordable.
Hello sir, i want to ask, which is better for pour over, c3 or slimplus?
Hello :)
I prefer the burr set used inside the C3 personally, but i don't think there will be such a huge gap flavorwise. If you use an Aeropress and travel once in a while, the slim plus fits inside the Aeropress so that's very handy. However if you don't really need that feature i'd advise you get the Timemore C3 or even better the Kingrinder K1, K2 or K3 etc.
@@KrazyShark thank you 👍
It kinda looks like a bluetooth speaker.
Oh yeah those JBL mesh looking ones LuL god damn it man
shame theres only 5 clicks between espresso (8) and that very coarse looking filter grind (13) which you demonstrated. I was considering this grinder but might have to increase my budget and get the X-lite for its half-steps
Very good point. I normally pinned a comment where i shared my extra thoughts on this grinder and maybe alternatives if you're looking for a more espresso focused grinder. You should check the 1Zpresso range and also the Kingrinder K1/K2. It goes until K6 and gets more and more specialized, definitely worth a look.
scale and kettle is it all Timemore also?
Heyo :)
The Scale is indeed a Timemore product. It's the Timemore Black Mirror Basic Plus which is like 50-60$ on Aliexpress i believe.
The Kettle however is something i found on Amazon but sadly i can't find it anywhere. It's from Miroco and i think it was really good for 50$ but there are plenty of other choices if you check for Gooseneck Kettle on Amazon or Aliexpress.
after using it for a while. How many clicks do you recommend for the video recipe? And could you also tell me how many clicks for aeropress? Is the video light or medium roast coffee? thank you
Hello ! I have a more recent video about the Tetsu Kasuya method I use here : th-cam.com/video/OivXZ4Q0p-Y/w-d-xo.html
It's 17-18 clicks for me as it uses coarsely ground coffee. For Aeropress same, I use Tuomas Merikanto's 2021 Champion recipe aeroprecipe.com/recipes/2021-world-aeropress-champion that I found was really nice for light roasts or medium roasts. (I only use 1 paper filter, 2 seems a bit wasteful)
thank you. I had seen the other video, and the grinding is totally different from this video, that's why I was asking you. in this video how many clicks? What difference is there between brew and the recipe you send me from aeropress? I don't know the clicks. Thank you
@@txali8721 hi ! sorry, i misread your first comment. In this video i used 13-12 clicks :)
I can't really say about the difference for now cause I haven't been drinking too much coffee and practicing lately but all I remember is that the 2021 Aeropress champion recipe was amazing for light roasts. Very juicy, sweet, balanced and high clarity cups.
Thanks, I'll try the aeropress recipe that you say. same 17-18 clicks?
Hello. Great review. Just bought a C3 for non espresso needs. I can say I'm impressed considering the price.
Great value for money grinder.
However can you tell me how many clicks is C3 have? I know from the manual it's recommended to never use below 7clicks.
Thanks for the great review.
Glad to hear ! :)
So i believe this has around 24-25 clicks ?
Because from 1 to 6 it's not useable at all since the burr will be too close and could potentially be damaged.
From 7 to 10 i'd say is the espresso range which is really really small. From 10 to 16 would be the pour over or aeropress range i think. Then 17 to 24-25 would be coarse for methods like the french press and cold brew. After 25 i think it becomes way too coarse / big for anything.
I usually go between 10 and 13 for my pourover, it all depends on the kind of coffee (country, type, roast level etc.).
Hope that helps and thanks for watching :) !
@@KrazyShark most concise and comprehensive information I found on the internet on this. Thanks a lot!!
For me 15clicks is the sweet spot for 4:6 method v60. Drains in time for each 45s pours.
I will try with 20clicks for cowboy brew next.
And also how many clicks do you recommend for "close to SCA standard" cupping method in C3?
Again thank you very much for your answer. Super. Highly appreciated. Subscribed.
@@rrbramansyah9150 Cool :D glad i could help, good thing you found your sweetspot and yeah it's always fun to experiment other brewing methods.
To be completely honest i've never done cupping / taste testing coffee like a professional so i really can't tell which clicks would offer the best method for doing that since i don't even know how fine or coarse it has to be 😅 my bad.
@@KrazyShark haha me too, just want to be prepared when I got my hands on good specialty. Thanks again
@@rrbramansyah9150 i'm using 15 clicks for pourovers too!!
Don't you find the squeezing noise annoying when opening the bottom container?
You mean the metallic sound ? I actually like it but I can see how some people might find it annoying or even can't stand it like nails on a chalkboard. It's not that loud, just that I raised up the volume in my video to make it more ASMR-ish but in reality it's fine and it even sounds much duller now (less sharp if that makes sense) since I've been using it.
@@KrazyShark yes, that metallic sound, can't stand that 😂 glad to know in reality it's not so bad 😃 thank you 😃
What grind setting do you use for pour over? (Eg hario v60).
Do you have a tip on settings for grinding for aeropress and cold brew?
I have the timemore c3 on the way 🙂
Hi ! :) So for the Hario V60 (Pour Over) and also the Aeropress I set it up to 17-18 clicks for a rather coarse grind as you can see in my Tetsu Kasuya method th-cam.com/video/OivXZ4Q0p-Y/w-d-xo.html
The Aeropress recipe also uses the same coarse grind, check out Tuomas Merikanto's Aeropress 2021 Champion method. th-cam.com/video/Uw5nWy9NZxQ/w-d-xo.html I only use 1 paper filter instead of 2 however cause it seems rather wasteful.
For Cold Brew I think you could also stick to 17-18 clicks or go even coarser at maybe 19-20 clicks.
Hope you enjoy your Timemore C3 :) It's a great little grinder.
@@KrazyShark thanks! 🙂 can't wait to test it out 🙂
Maybe any Commandante & Timemore C3 user here. 20 clicks Commandante same as how much clicks on Timemore?
15-17
@@HafidzJaisy thanks bro
Daamn those burrs look a lot like the C40's or the K plus (I don't remember which one). Is it a huge jump in uniformity compared to the C2? Like the Q2 heptagonal vs Q2 pentagonal burrs.
I'd say so yes. Definitely a flavor profile that i like more with the clarity of flavors you get. And yeah looks a lot more like those burrs but never had the chance to play with the C40 or K Plus cause they're so insanely expensive 🥲 Maybe the burrs of the Normcore V1.1 and V2 would be interesting as well.
@@KrazyShark Just noticed that the S2C cuts are the same of the Chestnut X. Just not sure if they are the same size. I wonder the price that Timemore is going to set to this grinder, because it's using the same burrs as their flagship
@@matiaschacana5768 Yes they are exactly those but in 38mm or something. I believe they're bigger in the original model.
In your opinion, who is the best? C2 5 bins or C3 6 bins for espresso
Not really sure about it. For pressurized espresso probably the C3 for taste. For real espresso though i don't think you'll have a good time with either of these. The C3 only has a few clicks for espresso and the C2 has a few more but that's not really it's primary use so not sure how good the grind will be if you're dialing in your espresso and such. But again i'm just getting into espresso so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
@@KrazyShark hey man. Amazing review. Do you think timemore c3 is better than ESP?
Im using it for 60% espresso and 40% pour over.
Does It grind fine and evenly enough to use with Picopresso?
Mhh, that's a good question actually. I believe the Picopresso uses a naked portafilter compared to the Nanopresso's safer pressurized portafilter so grind size and adjustability will be pretty important for it. Unfortunately this only has 2-3 espresso clicks adjustments out of the box so finetuning and dialing espresso will be quite the struggle. It does grind very fine don't get me wrong but i'm not sure it'll perform the best with the Picopresso or just any non pressurized espresso due to the limited clicks available but since i don't really do espresso (yet) or ever used the Picopresso i can't 100% tell.
One that comes to mind for that job however would be the Normcore V2. Kyle Roswell did a very nice hand grinder comparison too if you want more options.
How many clicks to use for Moccamaster Select?
how many kılıcks is this coffee grinder
why did you stir the beans after you weighed them?
It's to avoid static while you're grinding your beans that way the ground coffee just falls down without sticking to the underside of the burr which is extremely messy. It's called the Ross Droplet Technique and people do this in different ways : Some use a wet stick like wet the handle of a spoon and stir the beans with it like me while others use a small spray of mist to get them wet. I have a small video about it if you wanna take a look : th-cam.com/video/8H4o9A3u5LA/w-d-xo.html at 1:23 you can see how much coffee stuck under the grinder while at 4:57 using the RDT it's completely clean.
Friend, what did you think of C3 in relation to C2?
I'm not sure which one to buy.
Grateful!
I really like the S2C burr used in this one more than the burrs used in the C2. I don't have the C2 but i do have the Hero S01 which uses the exact same burr and for me the flavors just came trough a lot more with the C3. Highly recommend spending a bit more for the C3 than the C2.
@@KrazyShark Excellent!
I will follow your advice!
Grateful!
@@KrazyShark I lost my C2 that I use for pour over coffee and was going to buy another C2, but now I guess I'll try the C3, same price for both on Aliexpress. Thanks for sharing!
@@Flintous No worries :) hope you like it. Also consider the Kingrinder K1 or K2 :D very similar pricewise but the burr they use might be even better.
@@Flintous If you bought the C3...
can you shed some light on the comparison between c2 and c3
Hi,i have the flair pro.and always used a standard mill grinder.ive been doing research for the best manual grinder in my budget.i found the c2 and ct titanium.from what I’ve found the q2 seems the best got the price.now I’ve just seen this it’s either c3 or q2? Which one for flair pro?
C3 is 75
Q2 is 90
Which is the best performing
And build quality
C3 will definitely struggle for your needs with a Flair Pro in the way that it doesn't have many adjustable clicks for espresso shots.
I think the C3 and the C2 were thought more towards filter coffee and maybe pressurized portafilter espressos and other methods but for the Flair Pro you definitely need something well a bit more pro.
Mind you i haven't touched the (non-pressurized) espresso world yet but the Q2 has a lot more clicks to dial your espresso so i'd go with that.
Now there's a weird thing about the Q2 as in there's two versions of it with two different burr sets inside: one with a heptagonal (seven core) burr that is apparently great for espresso which you can see in Kyle Rowsell's video titled "The Best $100 Hand Grinder? 1ZPRESSO Q2 Hand Grinder (Heptagonal)" and you can see what that burr looks like at 2:45.
The other burr is the one that has probably been used the most in all hand grinders cause it's mass produced in china and it's the one you find in the C2 as well. It's the one that looks more rounded compared to the very straight edges of the heptagonal version. That burr i don't really recommend either for espresso because it seems like the other burr sets will just do a way better job for espresso so if you're gonna get a Q2 might as well get the more expensive heptagonal version.
The other one i would recommend if the price is good is the Normcore V2 which was also featured in Kyle Roswell's video titled "BEST COFFEE HAND GRINDER UNDER $350?!" but the price on Amazon and their official website can be very different so yeah it really depends. That video Kyle made is great to compare different hand grinders for espresso but yes the two that are definitely great for the price are the 1Zpresso Q2, the Q2 heptagonal (which is a tad more expensive usually) and the Normcore V2. Hope that helps and thanks for passing by :)
Thank you:) that’s realy great help,you’ve saved me a lot of hassle.im on a budget,I have the flair pro as it’s good shots for the price.a bellman stove top steamer.now I need a better grinder so will go with q2:) thanks again
@@mrdaflyguy Glad i could help ! I hope you get some great results :)
Hi the zpesso q2 should arrive anytime now.im using it with the flair signature pro first release.do you know what number I should set the grind to with the q2?or somewere it will atleast work.with the flair it has to be just right so it dosent go through too quick or take too long.it took me ages to get my cheaper grinder just right.so if there’s a rough idea it will save me time and coffee beans.ive heard 9 clicks somewere.but I’ve not used it yet so not fully sure how that one sets up grinds. Thanks
For pressurized espressos, is this grinder good enough?
For pressurized this grinds fine enough for it. Not many adjustments however but should be fine. Other alternatives would be the Timemore C2, Hero S01, the Normcore V1.1 and the Xeoleo with the burr similar to the Comandante's :)
I unfortunately don't remember which ones have more espresso clicks but yeah from the top of my head those would do the trick. I believe the C2 has 10-14 so 4 clicks while the C3 only has 7-8 so 2 clicks. I however like the burr they are using inside more than the C2's. The Xeoleo using the Comandante style burr is very interesting but i don't see how many clicks are available. It's around the same price as the C3 so it's worth the look :)
@@KrazyShark Ok, thank you
@@carlosmerces I will try to pin a new comment concerning all these budget coffee grinders with more info.
I just posted the comment :) hope it helps !
What settings would be good for a moka pot and chemex?
For a Moka Pot I wouldn't know, I haven't really tried Moka Pot recipes much. I use a V60 rather than a Chemex but I think 12-13 would be a good starting point for it, that's what I use for my old daily recipe.
@@KrazyShark So after looking at my order again, the filters are V60 filters so I think your method would be great..
@@AutoBotcity1978 Good luck :D bare in mind coffees are all super different so you'd have to adjust your grind settings depending how slow or how fast it pours down.
For example I have an ethiopian coffee that needs super coarse 20 clicks for good extraction while I have an anaerobic colombian coffee that pours down so fast that I need to grind it much finer at 15 clicks with the exact same method. (Tetsu Kasuya method, as shown in my latest short)
@@KrazyShark I usually get medium Roasts but I see what you mean. Is there a tool to show me the corrected size for the pour over? And thanks for the tips
SCA 91 Geisha? You had a lot of faith in the grinder if you threw that in it 🤣
Indeed ! The C3 does a great job for slow coffee. It's amazing for coarse ground methods like Tetsuya's V60 and Tuomas Merikanto's Aeropress recipes. Really brings out most flavors out of it.
@@KrazyShark how do you think it would do for finer methods like James Hoffman's? My current options are the C2 upgraded (with metal adjustment knob) and C3. I've read so far that they're similarly uniform but the C3 is slower with more clarity, the C2 faster with more sweetness and complexity due to different burrs. Where I live, there's a 15% price difference between c2 and c3 and I'm not sure which to go with
@@zakariyabaker874 Having tried the C2's burr via the Hero S01 i really can't go back to it. I feel like the C3's burr just is a bit better overall, lots more clarity and flavor but i might be biased honestly, it's hard to tell. If you ever get the C3 i highly recommend it at 17-18 clicks and use those coarse methods i mentioned. For fine grinds however i still think the C3's burr would work but the main issue with the C3 is the lack of range / clicks you get so for fine tuning fine methods it's impossible compared to the C2 unless you hack it but i usually don't like fiddling around grinders. I wish i could get a Kingrinder K1/K2 and compare them to the Timemore C3 cause i think they're similarly priced and the burr in the Kingrinder looks pretty good. But i think overall if you go for either using James' method they should perform pretty similarly, with the C3 having a slightly better profile i feel like.
@@KrazyShark thanks so much. Having researched the Kingrinder K2, I'm really tempted to try it with those 48mm burrs... But where I am, it will cost $85 and the C3 is about $60, so I'm not sure if it's worth the risk
@@zakariyabaker874 Same here, really would've liked to try it out but anything above 60$ gets customs fees and more 😅 maybe at some sale who knows
I have to disagree. I have used the c3 for espresso with a bottomless non-pressurized portafilter and it pulls quite well. Comparable to my 1zpresso.
Taste? Pls give some thoughts
it good
Joke aside it was great for coarse coffee methods like Tetsu Kasuya's 4-6 technique or in the Aeropress. I think if it's your first one it will be very good.
How is coffee?
Really good ! Nice clarity and transparency, flavors came through very well. I set the grind to 13 clicks and it was already a good setting for my brewing method.
@@KrazyShark I find the range of clicks for drips -- too constrained not many clicks avaiaable (versus the C2)
@@eddyindia7007 Yeah that's one of the downside for this model unfortunately. I think for pourovers it's fine but definitely not good for espresso.
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