Great video. Timemore has so many hand grinders out now and they do not explain all the differences very well. Thanks to this video I now understand what makes the C3 ESP better for espresso. It's the dial!
the C3 ESP is well worth the money... just got one and compared to my old Hario Slim, it's like night and day. The experience of using it is incredible, the evenness of the grinding is amazing (it was sometimes like count the boulder with the Hario) and the cup (only V60 so far, espresso soon) has so much more clarity of flavour... mine was £85, 3x more than the Hario cost me... 20x better!
@@danbarb9728 I'm using a Flair Signature for espresso might be a bit different, but I have mine at position 0.8 this. the advice is to not go below 0.7
@@ssstbc that could be the case but the Flair signaeture looks interesting. The problem is i have a huge and expensive espresso machine in my kitchen, i even bought custom handles in bird eye maple for it but i lost interest in espresso 10 years ago and the machine stands there just for the looks. I need to invest alot of money for a complete cleaning. I even have an expensive grinder from eureka but Amazon vine offered me the Timemore C3 ESP pro, so i had to buy an espresso machine and in my mind the dedica 685 is a perfect combination, its a budget machine and fits to a manual grinder because of the price. You can get both Timemore and Dedica 685 for about 200 Euro which is amazing and you still make better espresso then the automatic espresso machines for 1000 Euro. The flair signature looks interesting, i can see me buying one because its a manual machine and dont need maintainance, no internal parts that needs to be cleaned and all that. I love the looks of my espresso machine but i dont want to invest the money for the big maintainance and ive heard the copper pipes are not good for your health and all that. A white falir signature and a white niche zero, that would be my choice.
i see a lot of people saying that even the c3esp does not have small enough steps to dial in for an espresso, what do u think? is it able to have minor changes without chocking running too quick shots?
Is it really worth spending extra money and buying 1 Zpresso, e.g. X-PRO or should I stay with TIMEMORE C3 ESP, especially since it is to be the first espresso grinder?
3CeSP is not readily available here. Would you say the C3s can also grind fine enough for Espresso? The video is not very clear on that point, is it merely the number of different settings or the level of granularity where the C3ESp is better?
The burrs are the same throughout. As far as I understand, they all have the S2C 660 burr set. If you want to do espresso, get the C3 ESP PRO because the dial plate has far more clicks per rotation in order to get the right grind size. The C3S won’t be able to get the in-between grind sizes for dialling in your espresso shot even though it’s the same burrs inside
Define "too long".. I have the c3s max and grinding the full 35 grams takes me a minute, so I guess a few seconds more for setting 9 (I rarely grind that small)
Same burr set between C3, C3S, and C3 ESP, which is the S2C 660. Even though I only do pour overs at home, I ordered the ESP because I’ll be able to get more specific in dialling in my coffees. You’ll be fine doing pour over with the ESP - just follow the instructions for the grind size adjustments
why you want 24g of espresso? i think the duration time makes no sense because it depends on how fine you grind and also how fast you can turn. More sense would be how much circles it need
I'm curious why they advertise this grind adjustment as a stepless one. Is it possible to grind between the clicks? I'm afraid that 12 steps are not enough for different roasts and kinds of coffee. Btw currently I'm using mokka and planning to buy a small drip coffee maker. Would i want finer settings for those?
I would recommend you start out more course at first for a drip coffee maker to find the grind that the particular machine can handle. If it is too fine, the water will fill and overflow the basket. (I did that once) I use a pour over now and have mine set to a 14 setting on the C3 Pro Max so I would say try around 16? Main thing is not to over fill the basket like I did. 😅
I have done Moka with. Definitely suitable for both Espresso or Moka and these are the most difficult to get right. French press and V60 are even easier so no problem at all
Hey, I really don't get the subtle differences here... Anyway, I own a C2. I think it's kinda outdated now. I'm considering to upgrade to C3 or C3s. I don't know how to choose. Or I should just buy an upgraded burr set which is S2C 660 38mm for my C2
I got a burrset upgrade from Aliexpress way before Timemore offers theirs. Manage to grind beans for actual espresso use. (4 minutes slow and tiring 15g Espresso grind) I guess if you don't mind the common mods and shims needed to do for the alignment on your original C2, then it's a budget upgrade. You do need to spend some time to align the upgrade burrs though since the C2 is famous for misalignment even on stock. I can't see myself buying a C3s after getting that burrset upgrade. If I ever needed one new grinder, I'd jump to Kingrinder K6 or an electric grinder to shave off 4 minutes of my morning grinding 15g beans on espresso setting. But I would recommend getting the C3s if you have no grinder to begin with since it has better alignment now
Yo tengo un C2 y actualicé a rebabas de 7 nucleos y la placa de 30 pasos, lo compré todo por Aliexpress, el cambio fue incleible, antes usaba 10 click para espresos y ahora uso 24 click para 18gr me demoro menos de 40 segundos, antes me demoraba casi 2 minutos
C3: plastic interior C3S/C3 ESP: interior upgraded to milled aluminum All use the S2C 660 burr set. Pro = the folding handle. If the burrs are a drop in replacement for your current C2 burrs, it might be smarter to just upgrade your burrs to the S2C 660 set
My c3 esp pro just came and man I couldnt agree with you more, the unboxing and the feel of the product just feels so damn premium
I’ve paid 40 euro for new c3 esp pro, and I’m glad I could find such a great deal
Where?
@@DekiFreestyle Aliexpress prolly
@@DekiFreestyle kleinanzigen, something like gumtree or Craig’s list
where you find it please 🙏
Which one would you use for Italian stovetop espresso? And would all of them work for pour-over drip coffee?
just bought a C3 ESP - can't wait to use it (especially with the Flair Signature that is also on the way 😁)
Great video. Timemore has so many hand grinders out now and they do not explain all the differences very well. Thanks to this video I now understand what makes the C3 ESP better for espresso. It's the dial!
the C3 ESP is well worth the money... just got one and compared to my old Hario Slim, it's like night and day. The experience of using it is incredible, the evenness of the grinding is amazing (it was sometimes like count the boulder with the Hario) and the cup (only V60 so far, espresso soon) has so much more clarity of flavour... mine was £85, 3x more than the Hario cost me... 20x better!
Do you feel it’s an easy grind? I have a cheap grinder and I feel like it takes forever to grind 18g for my Aeropress and my hand starts to hurt.
@@W8tNbLEed86 I'd describe it as the same effort for about the a third of the time, with the added bonus of a much better grind!
i got the C3 ESP Pro from amazon now. How many clicks you use for your Espresso? I bought a Delonghi Dedica 685 just for that
@@danbarb9728 I'm using a Flair Signature for espresso might be a bit different, but I have mine at position 0.8 this. the advice is to not go below 0.7
@@ssstbc that could be the case but the Flair signaeture looks interesting. The problem is i have a huge and expensive espresso machine in my kitchen, i even bought custom handles in bird eye maple for it but i lost interest in espresso 10 years ago and the machine stands there just for the looks. I need to invest alot of money for a complete cleaning. I even have an expensive grinder from eureka but Amazon vine offered me the Timemore C3 ESP pro, so i had to buy an espresso machine and in my mind the dedica 685 is a perfect combination, its a budget machine and fits to a manual grinder because of the price. You can get both Timemore and Dedica 685 for about 200 Euro which is amazing and you still make better espresso then the automatic espresso machines for 1000 Euro.
The flair signature looks interesting, i can see me buying one because its a manual machine and dont need maintainance, no internal parts that needs to be cleaned and all that. I love the looks of my espresso machine but i dont want to invest the money for the big maintainance and ive heard the copper pipes are not good for your health and all that. A white falir signature and a white niche zero, that would be my choice.
i see a lot of people saying that even the c3esp does not have small enough steps to dial in for an espresso, what do u think? is it able to have minor changes without chocking running too quick shots?
Kingrinder K2 or Timemore C3 ESP for espresso shots?? In my country the price is almost the same
k2
Hello, What handle is easier to crank? Pro or original
Is it really worth spending extra money and buying 1 Zpresso, e.g. X-PRO or should I stay with TIMEMORE C3 ESP, especially since it is to be the first espresso grinder?
Look at kingrinder k4 and k6, for the price I would say those are the highest value
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the c3 esp.
How many clicks for a nice espresso?
what should I use for my moka pot?
The original c3 holds 25 grams...
I guess it depends on the coffee you use
@@Prizhokstill abou 25-7 (up to 30 light roast if you not fully attach the handle)
3CeSP is not readily available here. Would you say the C3s can also grind fine enough for Espresso? The video is not very clear on that point, is it merely the number of different settings or the level of granularity where the C3ESp is better?
bores are the same so i guess it is only finer setting they added.
The burrs are the same throughout. As far as I understand, they all have the S2C 660 burr set. If you want to do espresso, get the C3 ESP PRO because the dial plate has far more clicks per rotation in order to get the right grind size. The C3S won’t be able to get the in-between grind sizes for dialling in your espresso shot even though it’s the same burrs inside
3Cesp and 3Cesp pro, does anyone can tell the difference?
The only difference between the C3 ESP and the C3 ESP PRO is the foldable handle.
Does the C3S still use the plastic lid found on the C2? Cheers.
The c2 takes too long to grind coffee in set 9. How does this new ones perform in that department?
Define "too long".. I have the c3s max and grinding the full 35 grams takes me a minute, so I guess a few seconds more for setting 9 (I rarely grind that small)
The chestnut c3esp its good for pour overs too? Or only for espresso?
why it shouldnt be used for that, its the same, just finer steps
Same burr set between C3, C3S, and C3 ESP, which is the S2C 660. Even though I only do pour overs at home, I ordered the ESP because I’ll be able to get more specific in dialling in my coffees. You’ll be fine doing pour over with the ESP - just follow the instructions for the grind size adjustments
Good to Turkish grind ?
how's the grinding duration for 16g and 24g espresso grind?
why you want 24g of espresso? i think the duration time makes no sense because it depends on how fine you grind and also how fast you can turn. More sense would be how much circles it need
Can c3esp pro make v60 with coarse grind? Because the price difference is very cheap
Same question
I'm sure it's definitely possible. just different on the dial. c3s has 12 dial clicks per turn while c3esp is around 36 clicks per turn.
Does anyone know if the folding handle of the Timemore C3 Esp Pro will fit the C3 ESP?
I'm curious why they advertise this grind adjustment as a stepless one. Is it possible to grind between the clicks? I'm afraid that 12 steps are not enough for different roasts and kinds of coffee. Btw currently I'm using mokka and planning to buy a small drip coffee maker. Would i want finer settings for those?
I would recommend you start out more course at first for a drip coffee maker to find the grind that the particular machine can handle. If it is too fine, the water will fill and overflow the basket. (I did that once) I use a pour over now and have mine set to a 14 setting on the C3 Pro Max so I would say try around 16? Main thing is not to over fill the basket like I did. 😅
Its 12 steps per full rotation, with 13-16 being timemore's recommended for pour over. But the C3 that I have can go well to 3 full revolutions
@@rchamy94 oh, thank you very much! Right what I needed.
can C3 ESP be use for moka, french press, v60, etc?
I have done Moka with. Definitely suitable for both Espresso or Moka and these are the most difficult to get right. French press and V60 are even easier so no problem at all
How did you configure it for espresso and moka?
Cuál es tu configuración para moka?
Is c 3esp able to grind fine grinding for a jezva?
Yes on click 0.5 I saw a video
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Hey, I really don't get the subtle differences here... Anyway, I own a C2. I think it's kinda outdated now. I'm considering to upgrade to C3 or C3s. I don't know how to choose. Or I should just buy an upgraded burr set which is S2C 660 38mm for my C2
I got a burrset upgrade from Aliexpress way before Timemore offers theirs. Manage to grind beans for actual espresso use. (4 minutes slow and tiring 15g Espresso grind)
I guess if you don't mind the common mods and shims needed to do for the alignment on your original C2, then it's a budget upgrade.
You do need to spend some time to align the upgrade burrs though since the C2 is famous for misalignment even on stock.
I can't see myself buying a C3s after getting that burrset upgrade. If I ever needed one new grinder, I'd jump to Kingrinder K6 or an electric grinder to shave off 4 minutes of my morning grinding 15g beans on espresso setting.
But I would recommend getting the C3s if you have no grinder to begin with since it has better alignment now
Yo tengo un C2 y actualicé a rebabas de 7 nucleos y la placa de 30 pasos, lo compré todo por Aliexpress, el cambio fue incleible, antes usaba 10 click para espresos y ahora uso 24 click para 18gr me demoro menos de 40 segundos, antes me demoraba casi 2 minutos
C3: plastic interior
C3S/C3 ESP: interior upgraded to milled aluminum
All use the S2C 660 burr set.
Pro = the folding handle.
If the burrs are a drop in replacement for your current C2 burrs, it might be smarter to just upgrade your burrs to the S2C 660 set
Would you recommend the C3ESP over the Chestnut X Lite for Espresso only if the price didn't matter?
They are now very very similar, feel the value of the C3ESP is epic, the X Lite up closer is a slightly nicer finish and build, yet similar in coffee.
@@CoffeePartsTV Alright, I own the X Lite and I really like it. So it doesn't make sense to buy a C3 ESP. Thank you for your answer
If the x lite has the 30clicks I would keep it, if not I rather consider another grinder like the k6
I bought the c3 for 30usd and a 30click plate for 8usd, so now I have the c3 esp for less than half the price
Where did you get it for that price? Its 65 everywhere i look.
@@ivosimic taobao or Amazon mx
Did it work for you and were you able to get enough clicks for a good shot?
@@prisma208 it worked but I rather get a kingrinder K6 or something with 7 edges
Nice Root Beer
I didn't understand the difference between C3 and C3S. Anybody?
The S model is all metal . The other has some plastic on the inside for support .
it holds 5g more coffee because of the different build materials
S for silicone