I will not be paying $40 for an existing train we already have. This train only has timetable services on two routes. Services that are very short as well. They only take 30 minutes to do a run on Riesa-Dresden, meaning that this train will not offer much replay value. They only added a few new scenarios Sure, you have the ability to press more buttons and switches along with going into the engine room (even though there are already locomotives with engine rooms). The driving experience will largely be the same. The original 101 was already a well-made loco. Also, having the option to disable the expert mode features kinda defeats the purpose of this train in my view. Now, there will probably be those that point to expert airplanes in MSFS, but the difference is that you can fly those planes for long distances. You aren't limited to a few 30 minute services. There was a video made by a German DTG ambassador playing with the 101 and the reception was overwhelmingly negative. The German tsw players are generally positive about German routes so that really is saying something. th-cam.com/video/yWqzPCvHsKs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Iot0yjVOhUYnp5C_ This has definitely caused alot of backlash and I suspect this will only cater to a minority of players.
Checking out the video now! Thanks! And yikes… I honestly thought the small niche that this is being pushed to would LOVE it. It was obvious it wasn’t for the general player base. OOF 😓
I get your point, but given the fact that every TSW has been on Xbox Game Pass, and older DLC is compatible with newer releases, it’s actually a good idea not to buy the game but only the DLCs, since every new game is gonna be on Game Pass for “free”, anyway.
If you compare this as the same standard as airplanes in msfs then we gonna be scared much more in the future about pricing. 80 dollar is not uncommon for high fidelity planes. But the difference is you can fly the entire world. Tsw is only pre determined route.
I feel like thats a very bad way to look at it. Yes in flight simulators the sky is literally the limit. But in train sims certain trains will be country, or even County/State specific no matter what
that's not really the reason planes can get that high, it's due to flight modeling, documentation, extra systems like in flight tables, etc. systems on top of systems correctly modeled and working like their real life counterparts, accuracy, modeling, and in the best ones, stuff like circuit breakers being all operational. Sure, it's cool they can fly anywhere, but so do free planes, it comes down to how close they are to the real thing on every or most details, that justify the price, and that they are a niche product.
What bothers me is the amount of people comparing it to flight sim. If you want to compare paying 80 dollars for a highly detailed plane you can literally use around the world is fine but imagine paying 40 instead but you're limited to flying NY to boston or Edinburgh to heathrow but then you have to pay another 40 dollars for each of those flight routes because its not included
Comparisons to flight sim in terms of it being more detailed is fine but for anything else is truly apples to oranges and you’re right. We are limited with routes, route length, timetable etc. That alone IS a factor in the price and we don’t have enough places to use these trains in ways you can use planes in MSFS to make the price worth it.
Train Sim World is a joke. I can't wait for another indie developer to do the Train Sim gamers justice. I love Derail Valley - if only they had the resources like Dove Tail... we wouldn't be stuck with greedy silly DLC & subscriptions... nonsense.
0:15 when you said "brand new loco DLC", I initially misheard it as "brand new logo DLC" and thought you meant TSW5 as a spicy take of there being too little difference between TSW games so that it's basically a DLC with a new logo.
YES IT HAS. Always an afterthought. German players are getting highly detailed locos with a fully functioning signal system with very minimal issues meanwhile I hop into the NEC and hear the alerters of 4 trains all beeping while my train clips into the platform at New York Penn. don’t even get me started on the outdated freight stock and inaccurate physics/sounds. Says a lot 😂
To be honest i have always loved the DB BR 101 both on sound and design, but I was fine with it. I really appreciate them going for ultra realism but if you aren’t going to add something more significant than a livery, cabcar and more realism then don’t charge that much. I think they should have added the bistro car along with the dlc so you get something else. This train also has a ton of liveries in real life which could have made it perfect for them to add more as to make the price seem more suitable, but they didn’t and now we will be stuck with a DLC more expensive than a route and almost as expensive as the deluxe edition. Wait for a massive discount otherwise it’s not worth it for the ridiculous price they are asking for.
why keep giving DTG money? they haven't innovated in years, they never fix bugs, and they drop support for all older games on a nearly every year base? They're ripping off their fans, nothing more than a giant cash grab
I was looking forward to this one, but not anymore! I am afraid that when TSW5 will be released, that the game itself and the new DLC's will be unpayable for everyone since everything will become expensive every year. The prices for everything will skyrocketing very soon this Fall and Winter! Nobody will be able to pay for anything. The current new DLC's are already €35,99 but I am afraid the price will rise again and new routes will become €40,99. We can only profit than with the sales. I believe TSW5 will be the final game of DTG before they going bankrupt and the TSW project being terminated forever. If DTG will go bankrupt in the future, than it's their own fault and should known better, by not raising the prices. For now lets enjoy for what we already have before this all comes to an end. I foresee it doesn't take long before the big crash.
Honestly, this is all cool and all, but it all takes away from the biggest problem of TSW: AI TRAINS. They are still pretty much as scarce as ever. Your video proves that. I shouldn't be driving 10, 15, or 20 miles without seeing another train. It's COMPLETELY unrealistic. And absolutely BORING AF. Never do you feel like you're on a busy passenger line. I don't understand why EVERY service has to get drivable. Seeing as most of the add-on services are usually like 10-20 minutes little drives anyways. It's all a cash grab basically.
The drivable services act as ai when you aren't driving them... There's also the issue of lack of trains or they don't have the license to the operator. They also aren't going to create a whole new model just as ai. Then you have the actual development which requires a staff member, a budget and deadline to work with and countless number of days, weeks and months to rebuild the timetable so the services can fit in. If they don't have the staff or resources, it's difficult to keep on updating the timetable every time there's a new train
@@potatoman451 Then I guess they shouldn't be charging $30-40 for a route then. Or hire more people. Better yet, get AI and dump the inept developers. This company is nothing but greed and half empty promises.
Controversy sells. Greedy company, Games good, business practice is disgusting, exploiting human behavior...expert locomotive blah blah blah. It will be a buggy mess, probably more so now because more can go wrong. Personally I like the scenery in this game. I find it relaxing and immersive as it is. It works because its not excruciatingly complex. I think it will appeal to a small percentage of hardcore fans, whatever. Its a hard pass for me. TSW5 is hilariously predictable...Still a stuttery mess on PS5 especially tsw4 routes...Is that going to improve? Doubht it. Its probably going to get worse. There overselling the product. Its not premium. I think they hit a sweet spot on the tsw 3 routes between performance and detail...Its ok to be a negative Nancy when you are talking about this game I think 😂 Good video though appreciate the objective approach. Can I also just add they have a suspiciously similar business model to The Sims 4
Every train should be expert, this is really stupid that they are releasing a DLC for TSW5 when its not out shows that they are rushing it and aren't adding a dam thing to the new game. Such a cash grab dovetail just gets worse every year. Simrail is way better and the devlopers there actually listen and care. I hope they crush them someday.
Simrail will only excel in the multiplayer dept which many people don't enjoy The problem with having expert level trains is the immense cost and development time necessary to build it. You would only get 1 route like every 2 years and dlcs would have to be much more expensive. Another issue is that not every operator allows expert level trains. Mta for example would never allow it
The only way I'd ever consider buying train sim world 5 if it came out is if there were more steam locomotives and a formation designer with more loaded options for passenger and freight wagons
The random fault game options screen is actually displayed on the loco MFD. It's practically immersion breaking. This is what happens when DTG is only interested in churning out new DLC content instead of improving the core functionality of the base game. The simple on/off switch for expert loco mode is just plain lazy on DTG's part.
Dovetail shound go backgroup bc this is Just a wothlress piece lf trash game. Someone shound sue Dovetail for makeing high price and the upcomeing tws 5. This compay is dead...😡
So it's a bad thing tsw is expensive but you're just going to ignore all the other games that are expensive? Should they all be sued? Should all the supermarkets be also sued for high prices?
Yeah so as someone who bought the original BR 101, they can go kick rocks. Seriously, how full of themselves do they have to think to believe we'd be willing to RE-PURCHASE a train we have. I'm just switching over to another train sim.
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Random train malfunctions have always been in the base game.
They are called unfixed bugs.
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Hahaha
I will not be paying $40 for an existing train we already have. This train only has timetable services on two routes. Services that are very short as well. They only take 30 minutes to do a run on Riesa-Dresden, meaning that this train will not offer much replay value. They only added a few new scenarios
Sure, you have the ability to press more buttons and switches along with going into the engine room (even though there are already locomotives with engine rooms). The driving experience will largely be the same. The original 101 was already a well-made loco. Also, having the option to disable the expert mode features kinda defeats the purpose of this train in my view.
Now, there will probably be those that point to expert airplanes in MSFS, but the difference is that you can fly those planes for long distances. You aren't limited to a few 30 minute services.
There was a video made by a German DTG ambassador playing with the 101 and the reception was overwhelmingly negative. The German tsw players are generally positive about German routes so that really is saying something.
th-cam.com/video/yWqzPCvHsKs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Iot0yjVOhUYnp5C_
This has definitely caused alot of backlash and I suspect this will only cater to a minority of players.
Checking out the video now! Thanks! And yikes… I honestly thought the small niche that this is being pushed to would LOVE it. It was obvious it wasn’t for the general player base. OOF 😓
who the hell buys dlc for a game they don't own ?
people who play on game pass I guess which is a huge chunk of their Xbox users 🫤
@@trainsimsociety you'd think they'd pay for the game if they liked it !
I get your point, but given the fact that every TSW has been on Xbox Game Pass, and older DLC is compatible with newer releases, it’s actually a good idea not to buy the game but only the DLCs, since every new game is gonna be on Game Pass for “free”, anyway.
@@juanwhatelse until it's not
Some devs gives you the game after you purchased DLC
If you compare this as the same standard as airplanes in msfs then we gonna be scared much more in the future about pricing. 80 dollar is not uncommon for high fidelity planes. But the difference is you can fly the entire world. Tsw is only pre determined route.
I feel like thats a very bad way to look at it. Yes in flight simulators the sky is literally the limit. But in train sims certain trains will be country, or even County/State specific no matter what
that's not really the reason planes can get that high, it's due to flight modeling, documentation, extra systems like in flight tables, etc. systems on top of systems correctly modeled and working like their real life counterparts, accuracy, modeling, and in the best ones, stuff like circuit breakers being all operational.
Sure, it's cool they can fly anywhere, but so do free planes, it comes down to how close they are to the real thing on every or most details, that justify the price, and that they are a niche product.
What bothers me is the amount of people comparing it to flight sim. If you want to compare paying 80 dollars for a highly detailed plane you can literally use around the world is fine but imagine paying 40 instead but you're limited to flying NY to boston or Edinburgh to heathrow but then you have to pay another 40 dollars for each of those flight routes because its not included
Comparisons to flight sim in terms of it being more detailed is fine but for anything else is truly apples to oranges and you’re right. We are limited with routes, route length, timetable etc. That alone IS a factor in the price and we don’t have enough places to use these trains in ways you can use planes in MSFS to make the price worth it.
TSG set a very high locomotive modelling standard that Rivet and Skyhook find it hard to reach.
Yeah, that price is hard to reach.
My guesses are that TSW5 won't be Day 1 game pass. Granted, TSW3 was Day 1, but I believe you had to wait until January before it was released...
Train Sim World is a joke. I can't wait for another indie developer to do the Train Sim gamers justice. I love Derail Valley - if only they had the resources like Dove Tail... we wouldn't be stuck with greedy silly DLC & subscriptions... nonsense.
There is, iirc SimRail, which is making good progress last time I checked.
Microsoft Train Simulator needs to make a MAJOR comeback with a reboot 😩
@@joelthorstensson2772 only good for multiplayer. There's no singleplayer and tutorials are not great
It's still a shame that the EBuLa (Timetable System) keeps unfunctional even in this expert locomotive.
That's because dtg don't have a system in place. 3rd parties are unable to touch the core
0:15 when you said "brand new loco DLC", I initially misheard it as "brand new logo DLC" and thought you meant TSW5 as a spicy take of there being too little difference between TSW games so that it's basically a DLC with a new logo.
I love how the US has been neglected the entire run of TSW4
YES IT HAS. Always an afterthought. German players are getting highly detailed locos with a fully functioning signal system with very minimal issues meanwhile I hop into the NEC and hear the alerters of 4 trains all beeping while my train clips into the platform at New York Penn. don’t even get me started on the outdated freight stock and inaccurate physics/sounds. Says a lot 😂
@@trainsimsocietyone word to most of your issues with Trenton. Mods.
That's licensing issues for you not that they don't want to cover the states more just operators saying no to dovetail games.
There's zero 3rd parties and experts. Tsg is made up of a team of experts. There is none for the US
To be honest i have always loved the DB BR 101 both on sound and design, but I was fine with it. I really appreciate them going for ultra realism but if you aren’t going to add something more significant than a livery, cabcar and more realism then don’t charge that much. I think they should have added the bistro car along with the dlc so you get something else. This train also has a ton of liveries in real life which could have made it perfect for them to add more as to make the price seem more suitable, but they didn’t and now we will be stuck with a DLC more expensive than a route and almost as expensive as the deluxe edition. Wait for a massive discount otherwise it’s not worth it for the ridiculous price they are asking for.
DTG are so greedy I cannot stand them. I'm broke so I'm not buying they can get stuffed
I own train sim world 2, 3, and 4 im Definitely getting train sim world 5
why keep giving DTG money? they haven't innovated in years, they never fix bugs, and they drop support for all older games on a nearly every year base? They're ripping off their fans, nothing more than a giant cash grab
Dovetail Games laughing to the bank every day!
13:13 The "IC Sturrrwagonn" no just kidding its a hard german word
Update for Gamepass users, you keep the base game but lose the TSW4 add-ons.
Edit: Nevermind😭😭😭
What was that company phone?
It’s from the ICE enhancement pack on TSC :)
I thought about buying tsw4 will all the dlcs from 4 be incompatible with 5? Should I wait?
That's up to you. Until dtg officially announce something in direct, there's nothing known
@@potatoman451 I see that's fair, I'll just get the special edition then its super cheap on keysites atm
the dlcs in 4 will be most likely compatible like previous games
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I was looking forward to this one, but not anymore! I am afraid that when TSW5 will be released, that the game itself and the new DLC's will be unpayable for everyone since everything will become expensive every year. The prices for everything will skyrocketing very soon this Fall and Winter! Nobody will be able to pay for anything. The current new DLC's are already €35,99 but I am afraid the price will rise again and new routes will become €40,99. We can only profit than with the sales. I believe TSW5 will be the final game of DTG before they going bankrupt and the TSW project being terminated forever.
If DTG will go bankrupt in the future, than it's their own fault and should known better, by not raising the prices. For now lets enjoy for what we already have before this all comes to an end. I foresee it doesn't take long before the big crash.
Honestly, this is all cool and all, but it all takes away from the biggest problem of TSW: AI TRAINS. They are still pretty much as scarce as ever. Your video proves that. I shouldn't be driving 10, 15, or 20 miles without seeing another train. It's COMPLETELY unrealistic. And absolutely BORING AF. Never do you feel like you're on a busy passenger line. I don't understand why EVERY service has to get drivable. Seeing as most of the add-on services are usually like 10-20 minutes little drives anyways. It's all a cash grab basically.
The drivable services act as ai when you aren't driving them...
There's also the issue of lack of trains or they don't have the license to the operator. They also aren't going to create a whole new model just as ai.
Then you have the actual development which requires a staff member, a budget and deadline to work with and countless number of days, weeks and months to rebuild the timetable so the services can fit in. If they don't have the staff or resources, it's difficult to keep on updating the timetable every time there's a new train
Simrail has multiplayer, with American content coming at some point from searchlight simulations
@@potatoman451 Then I guess they shouldn't be charging $30-40 for a route then. Or hire more people. Better yet, get AI and dump the inept developers. This company is nothing but greed and half empty promises.
Controversy sells. Greedy company, Games good, business practice is disgusting, exploiting human behavior...expert locomotive blah blah blah. It will be a buggy mess, probably more so now because more can go wrong. Personally I like the scenery in this game. I find it relaxing and immersive as it is. It works because its not excruciatingly complex. I think it will appeal to a small percentage of hardcore fans, whatever. Its a hard pass for me. TSW5 is hilariously predictable...Still a stuttery mess on PS5 especially tsw4 routes...Is that going to improve? Doubht it. Its probably going to get worse. There overselling the product. Its not premium. I think they hit a sweet spot on the tsw 3 routes between performance and detail...Its ok to be a negative Nancy when you are talking about this game I think 😂 Good video though appreciate the objective approach. Can I also just add they have a suspiciously similar business model to The Sims 4
Heyo! At 0:44, what's that company phone thing? Vectron?
ICE enhancement pack on TSC :)
Every train should be expert, this is really stupid that they are releasing a DLC for TSW5 when its not out shows that they are rushing it and aren't adding a dam thing to the new game. Such a cash grab dovetail just gets worse every year. Simrail is way better and the devlopers there actually listen and care. I hope they crush them someday.
Simrail will only excel in the multiplayer dept which many people don't enjoy
The problem with having expert level trains is the immense cost and development time necessary to build it. You would only get 1 route like every 2 years and dlcs would have to be much more expensive. Another issue is that not every operator allows expert level trains. Mta for example would never allow it
Hey what route or train and can you actully use the phone on that train the 403 ??
401
i just torrent it cause the game is just generally low quality and i only play it for the uk routes
where’s train sim world 5
The only way I'd ever consider buying train sim world 5 if it came out is if there were more steam locomotives and a formation designer with more loaded options for passenger and freight wagons
The random fault game options screen is actually displayed on the loco MFD. It's practically immersion breaking. This is what happens when DTG is only interested in churning out new DLC content instead of improving the core functionality of the base game. The simple on/off switch for expert loco mode is just plain lazy on DTG's part.
It's made by tsg, not dtg so you're calling tsg lazy after all the effort they put in while doing what they can since there are limitations
I got tsw 4 wtf when it came out, how can they be talking about a new game when it's not even a year old, sick of dtg with this cash grabs🙄
Dovetail shound go backgroup bc this is Just a wothlress piece lf trash game. Someone shound sue Dovetail for makeing high price and the upcomeing tws 5. This compay is dead...😡
So it's a bad thing tsw is expensive but you're just going to ignore all the other games that are expensive? Should they all be sued? Should all the supermarkets be also sued for high prices?
Yeah so as someone who bought the original BR 101, they can go kick rocks.
Seriously, how full of themselves do they have to think to believe we'd be willing to RE-PURCHASE a train we have. I'm just switching over to another train sim.
Expert trains exist in tsc, enhancement packs by ap and flight sims.