Diesel Exhaust Filter Full… Dealership wants $2000 to fix it!!
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- About a month before we were to hit the road for summer travel, our check engine light came on with an error message “Exhaust Filter Full, Power Reduced, See Dealership”. I was not a happy camper to say the least. I called the dealership only to be told we needed to drop off the truck for a week… (they wouldn't even look at it for at least four days) and though they couldn’t give me a solid answer, they said it could cost between $1,500 to $4,000 to fix the problem.
Funny enough, there really wasn’t that much information on line for a DIY solution. After weeks of research Dawn and I found a number of solutions including one that actually worked!
The product below is what we ultimately used to fix the problem.
This is the product that will clean your exhaust filter and reset the check engine light.
RISLONE DIESEL DPF, EXHAUST AND EMISSIONS SYSTEM CLEANER
Rislone has a whole line of diesel, DEF and automotive products…
rislone.com/
I hope you enjoy this part of our experience…
Safe Travels!
Steve and Dawn
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There is an app you can put on your phone that uses a Bluetooth obdc adapter to force a dpf Regen. It takes about 20 mins to complete and resets the check engine light. Costs about $100.
Archoil works wonders for the def system.
Finally a video that gives me a possible solution. I have a two thousand nineteen that I bought new and it only has 14,000 miles on it and I have this problem. I was gonna get up underneath with the Torch and heat the canister up to see if it would work. But I think I will try this first.
Good luck. I’ve had to go through this twice now and I currently have 70k miles. I was originally told this doesn’t become a problem till after 100k
@@ourroadtocamelot it's usually oil selection related as this is a metallic oxide ash
It's possible to chemically dissolve the metal oxide ash, it's not regular ash that clogs your DPF
Great Video! Glad we could help out with your issue!!!
I have a 2021 Ram 3500 Limited Mega Cab with the HO motor. I have 37k miles on it and it has been error free. Since the second tank of fuel in the truck I've been running Hot Shot Secret fuel additive that is supposed to help with REGENS and the entire fuel/exhaust system. So far just by the results I would say it's working. I do pull a 32 foot travel trailer and a dump trailer that gets up to 14k pounds when loaded up. I put one or two doses in the truck depending on how long I will be on the road. I DO NOT idle the truck for more than 10 minutes at a time. The only time I let the truck idle for a decent amount of time is after a long pull where the turbo is working hard. I will let it idle for 10 minutes or so to let the turbo cool down before shutting off the truck. Short trips and and long idle times seem to kill the modern diesel unless it has been deleted. Thank you for the info on the fuel additive that can help in this kind of situation. Good luck!
Learn how to clean your def injector. Crystals form on the def injector spray nozzle.
Think of your garden hose set to a wide spray pattern. Now block off half the spray with your hand. Same in your exhaust system. Only half is cleaned with def spray.
Happy the additive worked so well for you.
I called around to find where repair shops get their filters cleaned (repair shops don’t do it in house)
I called the shop that does the cleaning. Took off my filter, easy, and they cooked it clean for $175.
Use Rislone def additive and Stanadyne fuel additive.
I've had good results with the Hot Shots additive in my Ram.
Boy they say we marry someone who looks like "us" , you guys could pass as brother and sister, NOT IN A BAD WAY!!! Peace and thank you.
Use Archoil AR6500 or Hot Shots on every fill up, don't idle the truck and drive the piss out of it to get the exhaust after treatment System nice and hot.
Thanks. You must check out the Banks Power video on the RAM air intake preheater tendency to drop a nut into your intake. Nasty result!! Banks has a cure!! Disclosure - I'm an Aussie and don't have a diesel!
Thank you for your wonderful video. This is for you or anybody else using these products, be very clear in what additive you have, and which tank it goes into. The maintenance additive goes in the DEF Tank itself, but thank you for introducing me to this one that goes in the DIESEL tank. Boy can a mistake there be a costly mix up.
Very true. Always carefully read the directions
One product is for the DPF and one is for the DEF system. It helps if you're familiar with it all (DPF/DEF/SCR, etc.) but even if you're not quite so, just know that the DEF system cleaner comes in a BLUE bottle with a smaller head on it, as most DEF tanks have a blue cap on it. The DPF cleaner comes in a black bottle. Always read the instructions before you use.
I also always use a good diesel additive at every fill. I like HSS EDT because I can use just 2oz of product per 24g that I fill, and get a performance dose. Some additives work better than others, and some do more than others, do do your research, as well.
Always run an additive to help with lubricity and to avoid any emissions equipment failure.
It’s normal to leave vehicle. You have 2 options. Dealer removes filter and clean. It takes 2 days. Or delete. It’s normal maintenance. I own a semi and 2018 ram myself
The filter is called a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). It collects soot, and when enough soot is collected, an automatic REGEN starts. In REGEN mode, the soot does NOT get blown out, the soot gets BURNT and turns to ash. There is a guage on your dash that will indicate the % the DPF is plugged. I own a 2019 RAM with the Cummins. My REGEN procedures have kept my DPF clean. Once the DPF is full of ash (not soot), it must be removed and either replaced, or taken to an Authorized Dealer who will bake it in an oven to burn off all the ash. In Canada, it costs at least $650 to have the. DPF burned out
Thanks for the clarification on burnt vs blown. Mine was indicating full and the fluid along with towing allowed the soot to be burnt off. I’m close to a month from having the problem and everything is running great. I will keep a closer eye on the gage from now on.
So basically drop the exhaust, remove the particulate filter and just clean it out?
Yes, but it requires an oven, and then water blown thru at high pressure to clean it out. I don't believe it can be done at home by a DIY'er @@wallheadkdir
@@wallheadkdir or go to a mechanic that will delete the DPF for cash lol
I’m shocked it went into regen after being in limp mode. Typically that requires a manual regen by the dealer. Unless you have a obd tool that can trigger the regen manually. Regular regens will only happen when traveling at highway speeds. Figure at least 30 miles per diesel tank fill up. Dealer should have explained that when you purchased. At least you get the dash indicator. First gen DPF systems didn’t give you an indicator so you never knew when it was happening or if it was working. Sometimes fuel mileage, smell, or extra heat would give you an indication.
when my 2011 Chevy went to limp mode while towing our TT, that put me over the top. The DPF was doomed at that point.
Dealer didn’t warn us about anything…typical dealer.
Thanks for the info
Diesel pick-ups are doomed if used as a grocery getter (ie short trips). Diesels run best when they run hot (e.g. towing through the mountains). Here’s my understanding applicable to your situation. Modern diesels DPFs ( diesel particulate filter) trap soot. More idling results in more rapid accumulation of soot. Soot consists of mostly tar and some ash. Regen heats up your exhaust temp and adds ammonia water (DEF fluid) helps burn tar away in form of colorless gases and water. A small amount of ash remains in your filter😂. I understand semi-DPFs may need replacement after 250K-500K miles due to ash plugging filter. Truck may be wore out by then.
How do I monitor performance? I monitor DPF usage and oil temps. My F350 oil temps run 20+F hotter when I tow @217F. When highway driving not towing, I run at 198F oil temp. Highway speeds without towing @198F is minimum, but not enough to really clean your filter as you noted. Thanks to late Bill Hewitt RIP, l run ArchOil 9500 whenever I add fuel. Good advice to new diesel owners.
Thank you for the input.
DEF has nothing to do with the DPF/Regen. DEF is used to reduce NOX emissions by converting NOX into nitrogen and water. It’s similar to a catalytic converter that converts hydrocarbons to water and CO2
And to add to Roch145 , DEF is injected down wind of the DPF so it does nothing for DPF or reducing soot or ash.
I can't believe people are posting videos and making comments and do not understand the DPF and SCR systems and what they do and were they are inline.
What engine oil have you been using? That's usually the culprit of the Metallic Oxide ash that won't pass thru the 10um DPF filter, it can't be burnt, only removed or chemically dissolved
I have a service plan with Ram to have it done on a regular basis. So it’s what the dealership recommends and puts in. I have had a more serious issue that I’m going through right now (video to follow). I’ll elaborate on it later but bad news is the exhaust system had a melt down… good news is it’s all covered under warranty… bad news Is we are temporarily stranded in Pennsylvania.
As a semi truck driver that has to deal with these def filters on the regular for years, do yourself a favor and dont fill your def from the pump at stations, buy the boxed DEF, its more expensive but better quality.
Personally, I would just get an older truck, no def systems and and maintenance is easy to do yourself.
I had heard that and stopped buying def at the pump a few years ago. Thanks for the info
On your semi, what differences did you feel when you bought the boxed DEF?
Use Lucas dpf deep clean and no idling
When my ecodiesel had the def full messagge just getting the truck to operatingg temp and holding the throttle to 2500rpms in park for 15mins it started regening.
Another solution would’ve been to buy one of the tuners on the market and it would’ve allowed you to do forced regen cycle to clear the filter out for you. The tuners cost a good few shillings but still cheaper than what that dealership wanted.
@@sweetshot_177 just buy a scanner the does it
@@cheetahtransport939 Please tell which scanner will do it, none I've seen. I own a Launch X431, an Autel, ATS E-scan and several obd mx+ models including ALFA. I have the gateway by-pass cables and Auto-Auth to unlock gateway, none will clear or activate when it is an active code. Searched internet and have not found any but dealers will do.
@@cheetahtransport939 please tell which scanner does this, I haven't found one yet that will clear an active code or let you start a regen while code is active. You must get it to a stored or history before you can do anything. I know the dealer tool can, but I have Launch X431, Autel, ATS E-Scan and Auto-Auth account to unlock gateway, plus bypass cables for several computer based scanners for use with MX+ obd connector including ALFA OBD and non will let you do anything as long as the code is in active state.
Buy it either way and do at least one forced regen a week to avoid potential problems.
750ml of petrol - 30ltrs diesel will burn the soot out in the dpf
I just had a major issue with the exhaust system. (Video on that coming soon). The dealership ran a test to determine if there was ever gasoline in the diesel tank. If their was it would have violated the warranty and I would have not been covered for the repairs. If this does work I wouldn’t advise it till your warranty expires.
The problem is the Def injector being clogged with crystals. Also, the opening into the DPF filter. Fix:. Remove the injector; two 10 mm nuts. Turn the injector 90 degrees. Use hot water and a acid brush and brush until the crystals dissolve . Be sure to observe the screen on the injector is visible. Do this cleaning every 3-6 months. Continue using your cleaner. End of problem!
Def injector has no baring on the diesel particulate filter as the def injector and scr is after the dpf.
@@red281gt Disagree. The Def injector mounts into the DPF filter. I only addressed the crystal formation on the injector & DPF opening. Agree your on to a total system cleaning which I intend on doing. My problem started when I got a dash warning "DPF filter full, reduced power, see dealer". They manual regened it x 2. Couldn't tell me why it plugged up. Tried to charge me... I balked an got the GM involved. Zeroed my invoice. Saw another video about the injector issue. Removed it and it was completely clogged with crystals. DEF was dripping vs spraying.??? That was the problem.
@@red281gt scr is before the DPF on Rams
@@red281gt SCR is before DPF on my 2019 and 2020 Rams. DPF's are the last component before end tailpipe out
@@tedgtfan interesting on my 23 it's doc>dpf>scr>tailpipe. They probably realized spraying def before the dpf caused more dpf problems. I mean, logically spraying something that's majority water with sooty exhaust would gunk things up quicker and marginally cooling the dpf when you want it hot.
2 cycle engine oil to lube the pump
I add atf for lubricity in the fuel. Using it for 40 years. When I worked for Cummins it was a cheap way to clean the injector tips and keep them clean. Automatic transmission fluid added to the fuel tank.
There is no lubricity additive put into #2 or #1 diesel fuel today.
That’s one of the reasons why the cp4 fuel pumps fail.
Hi guys! Thank you for this video and for sharing this very important and big money saving information. I only have a question: on the bottle box, the instructions say "Drive vehicle at a lower gear than you normally would for 20 to 30 miles". What does that mean? Does it mean to drive at low speed or high rpm? Shall I drive at low speed say 35 mph? or does it mean to drive at 60 mph but high rpm? Please clarify. If anyone can share their experience, it is much appreciated.
High RPMs. Keep it around 2000 to 2500. Better at higher speeds but keep rpms up
Yes driving in lower gear range keeps RPM higher. Most diesels redline at 3500 or lower so maintaining 2500 to 3000 rpm makes for higher exhaust temps. I found getting out on highway and floor boarding pedal (with no constraints on gear selection) to 80-90 mph and quickly removing foot off pedal and letting exhaust brake kick-in and bring it back down to 50 mph and then doing this over and over 10-15 times helps a lot. The exhaust brake brings 65 to 70 psi of exhaust pressure to help blow out the soot as it burns off. Just be sure you are in a safe place on highway (little traffic) to do this though.
Clear Diesel (Power Service). Your AZ short drives are a problem. Double the dose if you think there is a problem
I actually am planning on doing a double dose in a half a tank on my next travel day of about 200 miles.
That's happening to me right now
Did you ever pull the OBDII code?
No. Not sure exactly what that means
@@ourroadtocamelot did you ever have an engine diagnostic scan done to pull the error codes? Would have seen beneficial to know that info.
I've been driving rams with the cummins for 30 years and I'm done with them. The cummins is already very expensive to operate and maintain. With the cost of fuel averaging between .35 and as much as a dollar more than regular, oil changes and fuel filters average over $300 and then all the added fun with DEF, regen issues and clogged DPF's I'm over it. Getting rid of my 2022 with only 22K on her and switching back to gas. She's currently in the shop for yet another go at the DPF.
Thanks for sharing that. Mine will be going in when I get back to home base in October
Never had these issues with my Fords. I do use Hot Shot or Archoil fuel additives and always use Shell T6 oil. I get over 10k miles out a tank of DEF
I have 2022 Dodge ram 3500 and I saw this message ((Exhaust System
Service
Required))
Do you think this this product is will work for me??
Please help me, thank you
And it says also see the dealer
My message was exhaust filter full, power reduced. See the dealer. This worked for me. I would suggest to try it and see if it corrects the issue first. It won’t hurt to try. If it doesn’t work then definitely see the dealer.
@@ourroadtocamelot thank you very much
Hot Shot Secret every other tank or so and the engine will not even need to Regen, or at the very least it will cut them in half. Just don't get it on anything bc it smells bad. It is an amazing product.
Everyday Diesel or Diesel Xtreme?
I use the regular EDT and maybe Archoil AR6500 like every 6 -8th fil up. I like the Archoil AR6500 but nobody keeps it in stock local. With Archoil the bottle is longer and easier to fill in the tank on the Cummins but on my Dramax the fill nozzle on my flatbed is much easier to use EDT.
The EveryDay treatment is a milder fuel treatment while the Extreme is just that a concreated cleaner design to be use like 1 a year or so or as needed. EDT can be used "Everyday" to keep your fuel treated, injector tips clean to improve spray patterns.
So forme EDT all the time, and Extreme during fuild+filter changes.
@@kfelix2934 thanks for the info!
So once it gets to 1/4 and add the cleaner. Do you top it off with diesel also?
Top it off after you drive 40 miles or so.
Did you add straight into the diesel tank or def tank?
That additive goes into the diesel tank
I’m about to do this and the bottle of Rislone says to add to the DEF fluid tank NOT THE DIESEL FUEL TANK. IT could harm your motor if added to the fuel tank. Please read the bottle and make sure. Don’t want to see you ruin your engine.
Edit: looks like they have another option which is what I got. It’s Rislone Diesel DEF&SCR EMISSIONS SYSTEM CLEANER. This particular product goes into the Def tank. My apologies for the confusion.
Glad your on the road but dont kid yourself. No liquid magic potion from autozone exists to fix modern emision diesel engines. DPF, Cat converter and DEF aftertreatment issues are a constant repair job at our heavy duty diesel shop. Cummins, Duramax or Power Stroke, doesn't matter, all have problems. It is what it is. Use Stanadyn fuel treatment for the high pressure fuel pump health and watch idle time.
If they only knew about all the soot on those valves , from these modern diesel's . New Government GSA trucks have all emissions deleted for diesel trucks they buy that is very telling
Dodge is good but gmc is better
Our truck has 100,000 miles, 95% of this is hwy driving while towing 10 to 20 thousand lbs. The DPF is still f….d. Manual regens, EGR cleaning, new air filters, oil, additives, etc, nothing works. All the dealer say is let’s replace the DPF and pray ($3,500). There’s something fundamentally wrong with this system which dodge doesn’t want to talk about
Thanks for sharing
My 2016 ram has 140,000 and has no issues
Did you buy your truck brand new or was it used from someone who didn’t properly maintain it?
@@Nihil2005bought brand new in 2023 with 80 miles on it
@@andreysimakov5199 That sucks to hear. Hopefully you find someone that can fix your truck for a reasonable price and it lasts for years to come.
The key is not to ever idle the truck. Try and idle no more that 1 hour a week, 4 hours a month, or 50 hours a year. Do this and you’ll be fine
Thanks for the input
I’ve had over 10 cars in my lifetime butnow own a diesel. is it ever necessary to let the turbo cool off?
@@topgearshoppe5693you want to let the turbo cool off after every drive. You want the egt to be at 250 degrees or less
That’s not the issue, the DPF and or sensors are defective and need to be replaced with revised components. When an emission issue is detected, the system goes through self testing to ensure it’s working correctly. It’s at this point the pending “reduced power” message is displayed. But, if the defective components are out of spec, the self testing continues and with it the count down to reduced power. So the correct fix is to have the defective components replaced, the replaced sensors reset and a service bay test conducted to confirm proper operation. I know because I’ve been there…
Also, diesel fuel quality is greatly inconsistent due to its quality not mandated as tightly as gasoline. We can thank the EPA for that misery. Our only defense against poor quality fuel is a diesel fuel additive with lubricants and cetane number booster.
Yes i believe this is true. Which is why they have auto engine cutoff after 15 mins of idling on newer trucks. They clog up the more they idle. Run em hard and hot, regens maintain the dpf pretty well
Delete that truck. And all your problems will go away
How much does it cost to delete a truck. Thx.
You should not buy a ford
if you doing how to videos - respect our time - please don't clutter youtube with your life stories and unneeded intros
Noted. I have been considering re-releasing and creating a series of how to videos that will be 5 minutes or less.
@@ourroadtocamelot i know it is a lot of work making videos - so i would just consider this in future - think of how you use YT - I still appreciate the help
@@AskRemy Why do people feel the need to criticize others for trivial stuff when they are trying to help others. If you don't like it turn the channel or fast forward, others may enjoy the porch conversational stories.
That’s the reason dodge ie just about finished