Completely agree about Demon Slayer being OP af. Any minor downsides of the class (like waiting for RFS) is negated by the fact that it can afk tp farm. Even if you don't have an RFS you can still just significantly outfarm any other class to make up for it. Imagine being able to effortlessly grind long hours while doing other stuff in real life, like while working or studying or playing other games 😂
Demon Avenger correction: someone actually bothered doing the math (its in their faq) and 22 arcanes are the same fd gain over absos as every other class. Hilarious to me that this missinfo has stuck around for literal years because the DA community was so small (and maybe not so smart) As for bishop, echoing what other people said as a bishop main. In KR, legion champs are ~60k hexa, bishop requires ~80k+ hexa to truly start to be powerful. You are overrating it, the damage is simply too low for it to be in the highest tier. My second main is DW and i agree DW damage is really bad, bishop damage is literally on the same tier at this level of funding. Both have very powerful utility (dw has low cd , insanely safe burst, really nice low cd dash, decent easy to execute dpm), bishop's utility is definitely more but both classes are insanely safe and easy to have really high uptime with, are mainly held back by damage, and the damage is comparable. The fact that one class is in the highest tier and one is in the lowest is a joke to me (i agree DW is very low, but bishop shouldnt be optimal)
Correction it is more so that 19 arcanes is around 21 abso and are just as powerful for a much lower cost. If you can get carries and are not in a rush, definitely go 17 arcanes over pushing 21/22 absos on DA. You are also correct on bishop. They are severely overestimating it. Even at endgame kms bishop is bottom 8 in dpm. At this tier of funding, even considering blood of the divine scaling change, bishop is quite weak. The class has great survivability but so does many others with much higher dmg at this funding.
Mihile is a heavy dpm class, his 3 mins, origin are like whatever bc they don't do much damage anyways, so they don't even matter, he should be in the optimal imo
Mihile is op in seren with their royal gaurd and damage uptime, but dont sleep on their burst. It will chunk and is icing on the cake. Easily optimal but I ain't gonna hate. Class has been getting love
I main Lara, and I want to say that if you play it right, you will never run out of the free dragon vein. You probably already noticed that veins very rarely generate the same next to each other (like a sun vein next to another sun vein). So when boss teleports, you will most likely have 2 different veins on top of the boss. And you just need to use 1 charge of free vein.
Ya changing my 30% luk hat into a cd hat for db was such a big difference, i was only focusing on the dmg range at the time, finish bosses noticeably faster with cd hat.
Everyone says, "In a one-on-one, always bet on Illium". For he is the mage called "The strongest creature"... amongst all things that live on the land, in the sea, or in the air...!!!"
Kain player here since I've heard this misinformation several times. There is no added lifesteal in our kit. The 3% heal on death's blessing has always been there, there's literally no change in the mastery core. It's barely noticeable in most situations, 3% every 3-5 seconds just isn't that significant.
i'm going to be honest to all of you: AB and Shade are the best legion champion mules till vhilla by far, and thats because their condensed 60 seconds burst and good survivability in general
As an AB main, I see AB often misrepresented because not that many end game players have too much exposure to playing or playing with AB's past ctene. Not really just specific to this tier lists but to others as well. I think AB is a "great pick" or "optimal" for legion champion specifically, but to address some things in terms of the discussion itself: - AB Hexa efficiency is heavily loaded towards its masteries; specifically, trinity is a big FD boost. Everything else is pretty terrible. It ranks within the bottom 5 classes in terms of fd gained from maxing 6th job. This is actually good for legion champion up until Hseren because you can just dump in trinity mastery, which is really cheap for a good amount of FD, but once trinity is maxed, hexa improvements on AB feel extremely bad. This is because 25% of our full rotation comes from seekers, but seeker mastery is only 30fd on seekers when maxed. The 5th job skills combined do less damage than seekers. - Cooldown hat is optional right now, slightly worse than stat hat for party play, and slightly better for solo play. However, after m3/m4 cd hat will flat out be better. Ideally AB's want -4 because it allows much more frequent usage of trinity fusion. - While AB burst is "front loaded" and "fast" in that mascot and sparkle burst are extremely fast to get off, if you look at a 30 second burst BA, you'll notice that they only account for about 20% of the total damage from burst. A LOT of the damage comes from standing on the boss and whacking it. Ofc, the 20% is from the skills themselves and both skills generate a lot of seekers, but the burst is as condensed as people think in terms of damage, and it's another reason why AB 5th job enhances for 6th job are really bad. - Trinity is really slow. You can only consistently fit in 2 trinity's before you need to duck in Seren. Sometimes you can fit in 3 between stabs, but the timing is extremely extremely tight. Because trinity is quite slow, you're losing quite a bit of the theoretical dps during the boss (pretty much 1/3 of your damage off burst), unlike classes like NW that attack super fast (closer to something like 1/5 or 1/6), from ducking. - AB feels terrible to play p1 because it has no aerial mobility other than blink and . AB has 0 options that allow you to dodge banana without getting ticked by it outside of iframing, or blinking above it and risk getting hit by pillars. This also extends to playing dawn as well. Yes, AB has the benefit of a free burst during dawn which is great, but outside of that, it's very annoying to play during dawn when deers/crab/dash are clustered in certain patterns. A lot of other classes have very safe ways of avoiding these mechanics but with AB you just need to bait out the dash before balls or deer can reach you and hope you dont get hit by crab or a pillar. - I think AB burst structure is pretty ideal, BUT even with all those advantages, the damage is really lackluster. I don't think people really understand just how bad it is. Inko, at 105k hexa, with a super optimized culvert rotation that includes wings swap, node swap, and 3-4 ring swaps, apple, etc, barely broke 90k. If we're looking at standard full rotation damage, this class barely does more damage full rotation than some 3 minute classes can in just their burst. This class feels pretty good with just 5th job and minor 6th job investment, and so most people playing up to ctene won't feel it much, but it is solidly bottom 15 in terms of full rotation damage, if not bottom 10. There are many classes that have a worse kit, but because the damage output is just higher, they are stronger even with kit deficiencies. - Related to above, but m3/m4 scales off of current fd, so you can't evaluate the fd in a vacuum. a class that does 300T full rotation getting 20fd is worse than a class that does 500T full rotation getting 15fd. - AB needs oz rings, since it's balanced around it, and in this case, it needs cont4, since it's unrealistic to hit ror4/rt4/tot4/wj4 for a legion champion.
People who agree with the sentiment that AB is op or one of the better classes just are self reporting that they really don’t know much about the class - much less overall class balancing. For example - Shade has a nearly identical kit but with way more damage, utility and movement options. The fact that they can be considered to be in the same tier is laughable. It has poor scaling with progression and Crit damage lines are even less effective in the total FD calc due to the inert high Crit damage expectation in its kit.
some of the points you made apply to a lot of other classes and the kicker was your last point about oz rings like what class would rather use a stat ring?
- My points are about the inaccuracies of perceptions about AB as a class based on their discussion regarding the class. Whether or not they apply to other classes is irrelevant, and if you look at classes in optimal or great pick, pretty sure none of the points I bring up as weaknesses of the class apply to any of them outside of a few exceptions. - Most other classes (as a mule) can get away with just 1 or 2 oz rings. AB uses 4, and is balanced around having 4.
I got an Ab in burning world, and I couldn’t tell if it is strong or weak with burning items… appreciate your post, definitely help me make the decision of not making it as champion (I just finished all the arcane symbol, feel so bad) Do you think shade is better?
@@ppan3do you have shade as a main? I made ab and shade in the burning world, all the funds went on ab, but the entire three months, I always feel like shade is better with 0 funding… Do you recommend shade over ab?
Could you do a video expanding on the buff favourites and the combo keys and stuff / other ways to save keyboard space and organize layouts that make it more efficient for you? Or any heuristics you use [eg you typcally put summons xyz keys for consistency across characters]
Hey Duky, can you do a video or smth explaining that "3min classes playing 2min" statement? I still dont uderstand it yet, for example with Sair, you should use all of your 90sec cd's on a 2min rotation and only use the 3min skill (big whale) every 4min? (2 2min burst) or on cd? and for example, why wouldnt kain be good as 2min if their only 3min skill is thanathos decent, the entirety of their burst inlcuding vicious shot is 90sec/2min. Also, In what scenarios should you do this? like in Solo bossing too? or just in 2min parties? Or only for certain bosses? It's kinda confusing and since many classes are 3min with felixbilities it'd be good to have this topic more in depth
a 3 minute class may still have a few 2 minute cooldowns, but just because it has 2 minute cooldowns doesnt mean you should use them every 2 minutes. instead you want to wait to pair these 2 min skills with your 3 minute for example, with kain, even though vicious shot has a 2 min cooldown you should still wait to pair vicious shot with your 3 minute cd skills (thanatos descent) because the 3 minute is much stronger, so treat vicious shot like its a 3 min skill in this case. theres no point pairing vicious shot with your basic attacks since nothing will be up in 2 minutes but thanatos descent is up in 3 minutes 3 minute classes like kain and corsair have a 90s cooldown to use as their halfburst while waiting for 3 min (90s + 90s = 180s). for kain it would be your laser + phantom blow thing + grip of agony (all v skills) and for corsair it would be overdrive + bullet barrage i dont play these classes but this is just from the top of my head so i hope this helps
@ Yeah I know that, thank you tho for taking the time to explain it, my question is because Duky says completely the opposite. He says there are 3min classes that *COULD* be played as 2min as well, and I understand how but my question is, in what scenarios you should do that? @duky
I think for tier list like this you should make the names based on funding and challenge so. Easy solo, mid funding. Hard to learn, high funding. Since that's just more relevant to this type of goal.
I made a Hayato and I regret it. I can't switch it but I heard I can use other characters for the boss killing part. Is that true? Meaning I lose out on the free exp and item shop, but I can still clear content?
Duky I got a video idea. Can you do a video on different classes party utilities? Like lynn awaken gives 110 fd, or illium has 10 sec party , shade nw cadena kanna have bind, mercedes nl untouchable, mercedes party 50 IED etc
Damn, I'm kinda surprised yall see kaiser being most optimal. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see that but I'm so not used to seeing Kaiser being favored so much 😂
No it doesnt matter. This system is really only going to be for someone who has maxed out the meso/progress that they can put on their main. When you start to establish other characters as boss mules or for your next hyper burn then maybe it will matter a bit more
@@Lilsmokey333 okay, one of the two champion burns is basically a nlomein boss mule (old main) and the other can clear upto akechi (shade hyperburn) my main can only clear up to elucid solo havent tried joining any parties besides hlomein on it
@@love-pz3znNLucid only has 2x the health of Easy, for your next step forward in progression, and you definitely have the gear to do parties for like HLuWill if you felt like going into parties (never any pressure to, of course)
@@altsadhara ive made it into 1 hlucid party but i was like 7-8% dmg delt, im not sure if it was because i forgot to burst. I also got an arcane wepaon box. would it be better for me to use that over the abso with no set effect?
There's no way bishop is up there lol, their solo dmg output is kinda sad even if you're 80k stats (IIRC it's bottom 25% after M3/M4). Like you said they can easily join parties, but tbh if someone is making legion champions they can probably easily join carry parties so this isn't that relevant. Even I/L is just a better version of bishop, they have considerably better solo dmg and almost identical playstyle (maybe slightly less tanky but shouldn't really matter for seren since stuns/gauge are the main concern). If this is a submain tier list then sure bishop is good, but if you want a efficient hseren mule then bishop is probably pretty mid I may be biased cause I main bishop though :)
I main bishop as well and everything about it is disgusting broken for seren except the damage being so low. Ive been testing out setups to gauge strength for legion champs and my 20min hseren solo with really good uptime is at ~260m cp with hexa maxed angel ray, 29 feather, 19 bene, 25 DP, 9 origin. I think people who don't play bishop don't realize how bad the damage actually is, you can be hitting literally the whole fight because of your insane survivability tools and autohealing but the damage just isnt there. I really dont think other classes are going to require the same level of gear/hexa funding as this
@@momoaaYou initially made it sound like bish was a good choice. Yeah the funding you need for a bish to clear in 20 min is very high. We have kms min clears to confirm this. The video is just feeding misinformation lol
Bishop really sucks. It's good in high end but since the character scale with int stats, at legion champion level It's actually really bad. Just an info. KMS perspective the legion champion is around 6ok hexa power. But bishop is strong from 80k hexa power so legion champion level is not as strong.
@@papipu389 bishop is bottom 15 classes damage wise. "Some whale spent the most on bishop so he got a good clear speed which means its good!" nice dude!
@@momoaaif you think only bishop has whale then you have another level of brain damage. -7s hat, lot of 23* and triple prime item fp still cant beat bishop.
@ way to miss the point entirely! if you think that reg server gigawhales are even remotely comparable to legion champion MULES then i dont even know what to tell you, its a glue huffr diff.
@@papipu389 jesus bro you are so haunted you got BTFO in the comment chain that you made a new thread, hahahahahaha reminder this guy thinks bishop is good because you dont have to level your bene 6th job
@ This is all you btw. Nice english buddy! "and bishop hexa isnt rely on vskill(bishop burst is bene not dp and strong utility origin at level1)is another reason with same hexa progress Bishop gonna be stronger than some weird ass class. well it not like you can understand these since you dont play the game lol." " bro bene give u 6 fd at lv 8 why u go beyond lvl10 anyway? and they're additive with bene fd so they give much less than your 17 fd you didnt even know this. lol bishop main? probably weaker than my mule kekw if bene is so good why no one maxed it first??????" "from gigawhale doesn't matter to you have to maxed bene "
Classic Tummy DB, wanting a tierlist on bree- Anyways, the most popular classes are clearly top tier cuz they're suffering from overpopulation & overcreation 🐸 Hero, Bishop, Shadower, Kanna, Adele, NW, ...
50 classes in the game, even if i took only 2 minutes on each, video would be almost 2 hours. I want to put as much information as I can out there because some people it's their first time watching and like to learn as much as they can
@ I feel like instead of doing it live you have a discussion before recording and just only include the important parts. Bc for some classes you had a bit of back and forth and seemed like wasted time. The bad classes can be skimmed over pretty easily with like 10-20 sec discussions. For example NL, long burst cool down, weak in between, no s, mobility could be better done.
Regarding Demon Slayer tp farming. What if I told you not only do I not tp farm on my 283 ds main, but I never farm more than 20-25 min a day, am full 22 star true 3 line and soloing nkalos/ekaling on Kronos? Also my Janus is still level 1.
Ok now u gotta do a tier list of the most breedable characters
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As a lynn main, i always love checking back in to make sure I made the wrong choice😂
lynn strong !! awaken me !
I'm 273, but idk why im watching this; I'll prob get here after 5 years 😂
Completely agree about Demon Slayer being OP af. Any minor downsides of the class (like waiting for RFS) is negated by the fact that it can afk tp farm. Even if you don't have an RFS you can still just significantly outfarm any other class to make up for it. Imagine being able to effortlessly grind long hours while doing other stuff in real life, like while working or studying or playing other games 😂
Demon Avenger correction: someone actually bothered doing the math (its in their faq) and 22 arcanes are the same fd gain over absos as every other class. Hilarious to me that this missinfo has stuck around for literal years because the DA community was so small (and maybe not so smart)
As for bishop, echoing what other people said as a bishop main. In KR, legion champs are ~60k hexa, bishop requires ~80k+ hexa to truly start to be powerful. You are overrating it, the damage is simply too low for it to be in the highest tier. My second main is DW and i agree DW damage is really bad, bishop damage is literally on the same tier at this level of funding. Both have very powerful utility (dw has low cd , insanely safe burst, really nice low cd dash, decent easy to execute dpm), bishop's utility is definitely more but both classes are insanely safe and easy to have really high uptime with, are mainly held back by damage, and the damage is comparable. The fact that one class is in the highest tier and one is in the lowest is a joke to me (i agree DW is very low, but bishop shouldnt be optimal)
Correction it is more so that 19 arcanes is around 21 abso and are just as powerful for a much lower cost. If you can get carries and are not in a rush, definitely go 17 arcanes over pushing 21/22 absos on DA.
You are also correct on bishop. They are severely overestimating it. Even at endgame kms bishop is bottom 8 in dpm. At this tier of funding, even considering blood of the divine scaling change, bishop is quite weak. The class has great survivability but so does many others with much higher dmg at this funding.
@anonymousl5150 yeah thats what i meant about abso vs arcane, 19* arcane equals 21 abso on every class, i guess i didnt word it very clearly
Mihile is a heavy dpm class, his 3 mins, origin are like whatever bc they don't do much damage anyways, so they don't even matter, he should be in the optimal imo
Mihile is op in seren with their royal gaurd and damage uptime, but dont sleep on their burst. It will chunk and is icing on the cake. Easily optimal but I ain't gonna hate. Class has been getting love
I main Lara, and I want to say that if you play it right, you will never run out of the free dragon vein. You probably already noticed that veins very rarely generate the same next to each other (like a sun vein next to another sun vein). So when boss teleports, you will most likely have 2 different veins on top of the boss. And you just need to use 1 charge of free vein.
thank you lara senpai
Ya changing my 30% luk hat into a cd hat for db was such a big difference, i was only focusing on the dmg range at the time, finish bosses noticeably faster with cd hat.
Everyone says, "In a one-on-one, always bet on Illium". For he is the mage called "The strongest creature"... amongst all things that live on the land, in the sea, or in the air...!!!"
this is so funny
Kain player here since I've heard this misinformation several times. There is no added lifesteal in our kit. The 3% heal on death's blessing has always been there, there's literally no change in the mastery core. It's barely noticeable in most situations, 3% every 3-5 seconds just isn't that significant.
i'm going to be honest to all of you: AB and Shade are the best legion champion mules till vhilla by far, and thats because their condensed 60 seconds burst and good survivability in general
As an AB main, I see AB often misrepresented because not that many end game players have too much exposure to playing or playing with AB's past ctene. Not really just specific to this tier lists but to others as well.
I think AB is a "great pick" or "optimal" for legion champion specifically, but to address some things in terms of the discussion itself:
- AB Hexa efficiency is heavily loaded towards its masteries; specifically, trinity is a big FD boost. Everything else is pretty terrible. It ranks within the bottom 5 classes in terms of fd gained from maxing 6th job. This is actually good for legion champion up until Hseren because you can just dump in trinity mastery, which is really cheap for a good amount of FD, but once trinity is maxed, hexa improvements on AB feel extremely bad. This is because 25% of our full rotation comes from seekers, but seeker mastery is only 30fd on seekers when maxed. The 5th job skills combined do less damage than seekers.
- Cooldown hat is optional right now, slightly worse than stat hat for party play, and slightly better for solo play. However, after m3/m4 cd hat will flat out be better. Ideally AB's want -4 because it allows much more frequent usage of trinity fusion.
- While AB burst is "front loaded" and "fast" in that mascot and sparkle burst are extremely fast to get off, if you look at a 30 second burst BA, you'll notice that they only account for about 20% of the total damage from burst. A LOT of the damage comes from standing on the boss and whacking it. Ofc, the 20% is from the skills themselves and both skills generate a lot of seekers, but the burst is as condensed as people think in terms of damage, and it's another reason why AB 5th job enhances for 6th job are really bad.
- Trinity is really slow. You can only consistently fit in 2 trinity's before you need to duck in Seren. Sometimes you can fit in 3 between stabs, but the timing is extremely extremely tight. Because trinity is quite slow, you're losing quite a bit of the theoretical dps during the boss (pretty much 1/3 of your damage off burst), unlike classes like NW that attack super fast (closer to something like 1/5 or 1/6), from ducking.
- AB feels terrible to play p1 because it has no aerial mobility other than blink and . AB has 0 options that allow you to dodge banana without getting ticked by it outside of iframing, or blinking above it and risk getting hit by pillars. This also extends to playing dawn as well. Yes, AB has the benefit of a free burst during dawn which is great, but outside of that, it's very annoying to play during dawn when deers/crab/dash are clustered in certain patterns. A lot of other classes have very safe ways of avoiding these mechanics but with AB you just need to bait out the dash before balls or deer can reach you and hope you dont get hit by crab or a pillar.
- I think AB burst structure is pretty ideal, BUT even with all those advantages, the damage is really lackluster. I don't think people really understand just how bad it is. Inko, at 105k hexa, with a super optimized culvert rotation that includes wings swap, node swap, and 3-4 ring swaps, apple, etc, barely broke 90k. If we're looking at standard full rotation damage, this class barely does more damage full rotation than some 3 minute classes can in just their burst. This class feels pretty good with just 5th job and minor 6th job investment, and so most people playing up to ctene won't feel it much, but it is solidly bottom 15 in terms of full rotation damage, if not bottom 10. There are many classes that have a worse kit, but because the damage output is just higher, they are stronger even with kit deficiencies.
- Related to above, but m3/m4 scales off of current fd, so you can't evaluate the fd in a vacuum. a class that does 300T full rotation getting 20fd is worse than a class that does 500T full rotation getting 15fd.
- AB needs oz rings, since it's balanced around it, and in this case, it needs cont4, since it's unrealistic to hit ror4/rt4/tot4/wj4 for a legion champion.
People who agree with the sentiment that AB is op or one of the better classes just are self reporting that they really don’t know much about the class - much less overall class balancing. For example - Shade has a nearly identical kit but with way more damage, utility and movement options. The fact that they can be considered to be in the same tier is laughable. It has poor scaling with progression and Crit damage lines are even less effective in the total FD calc due to the inert high Crit damage expectation in its kit.
some of the points you made apply to a lot of other classes and the kicker was your last point about oz rings like what class would rather use a stat ring?
- My points are about the inaccuracies of perceptions about AB as a class based on their discussion regarding the class. Whether or not they apply to other classes is irrelevant, and if you look at classes in optimal or great pick, pretty sure none of the points I bring up as weaknesses of the class apply to any of them outside of a few exceptions.
- Most other classes (as a mule) can get away with just 1 or 2 oz rings. AB uses 4, and is balanced around having 4.
I got an Ab in burning world, and I couldn’t tell if it is strong or weak with burning items… appreciate your post, definitely help me make the decision of not making it as champion (I just finished all the arcane symbol, feel so bad)
Do you think shade is better?
@@ppan3do you have shade as a main? I made ab and shade in the burning world, all the funds went on ab, but the entire three months, I always feel like shade is better with 0 funding…
Do you recommend shade over ab?
Could you do a video expanding on the buff favourites and the combo keys and stuff / other ways to save keyboard space and organize layouts that make it more efficient for you? Or any heuristics you use [eg you typcally put summons xyz keys for consistency across characters]
Very informational video. Thanks Duky (buff bam).
Christmas came early, back to back tier lists
Can you also make a cash shop outfit set tier list 😂
We know NW win on this one
God I just finished the mains video… I’m really bout to watch another 5 hours of maplestory huh
Hey Duky, can you do a video or smth explaining that "3min classes playing 2min" statement? I still dont uderstand it yet, for example with Sair, you should use all of your 90sec cd's on a 2min rotation and only use the 3min skill (big whale) every 4min? (2 2min burst) or on cd? and for example, why wouldnt kain be good as 2min if their only 3min skill is thanathos decent, the entirety of their burst inlcuding vicious shot is 90sec/2min.
Also, In what scenarios should you do this? like in Solo bossing too? or just in 2min parties? Or only for certain bosses? It's kinda confusing and since many classes are 3min with felixbilities it'd be good to have this topic more in depth
Kain also have his best boss dmg buff with 3 minutes cd, but yeah, I think he's pretty good with 2 min burst parties too
a 3 minute class may still have a few 2 minute cooldowns, but just because it has 2 minute cooldowns doesnt mean you should use them every 2 minutes. instead you want to wait to pair these 2 min skills with your 3 minute
for example, with kain, even though vicious shot has a 2 min cooldown you should still wait to pair vicious shot with your 3 minute cd skills (thanatos descent) because the 3 minute is much stronger, so treat vicious shot like its a 3 min skill in this case. theres no point pairing vicious shot with your basic attacks since nothing will be up in 2 minutes but thanatos descent is up in 3 minutes
3 minute classes like kain and corsair have a 90s cooldown to use as their halfburst while waiting for 3 min (90s + 90s = 180s). for kain it would be your laser + phantom blow thing + grip of agony (all v skills) and for corsair it would be overdrive + bullet barrage
i dont play these classes but this is just from the top of my head so i hope this helps
@ Yeah I know that, thank you tho for taking the time to explain it, my question is because Duky says completely the opposite. He says there are 3min classes that *COULD* be played as 2min as well, and I understand how but my question is, in what scenarios you should do that? @duky
I think for tier list like this you should make the names based on funding and challenge so.
Easy solo, mid funding.
Hard to learn, high funding.
Since that's just more relevant to this type of goal.
LeBron back at it again with another banger of a video and what’s this I see a video long enough to goon too I sir applaud you
what does a class being hexa efficient mean?
you get a lot of your damage from 6th job with less frags than other classes
Zero’s have to 22 their weapon themselves *correction*, everything else is correct
you get your weapon to 22 once you liberate automatically
I made a Hayato and I regret it. I can't switch it but I heard I can use other characters for the boss killing part. Is that true? Meaning I lose out on the free exp and item shop, but I can still clear content?
I can't believe it's under four hours
When you say a class has froids whats do you mean by that?
a skill called freuds wisdom that can give you an for 30s
@@Duky thanks bro always for the help
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Duky I got a video idea. Can you do a video on different classes party utilities? Like lynn awaken gives 110 fd, or illium has 10 sec party , shade nw cadena kanna have bind, mercedes nl untouchable, mercedes party 50 IED etc
The only reason I watch those videos are factor. It cured my depression with duky big face.
Damn, I'm kinda surprised yall see kaiser being most optimal. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see that but I'm so not used to seeing Kaiser being favored so much 😂
my main hasnt even cleared hluwill so does this tierlist even matter to me? i just champion burned my two next highest levels
No it doesnt matter. This system is really only going to be for someone who has maxed out the meso/progress that they can put on their main. When you start to establish other characters as boss mules or for your next hyper burn then maybe it will matter a bit more
nah it doesnt matter at the moment
@@Lilsmokey333 okay, one of the two champion burns is basically a nlomein boss mule (old main) and the other can clear upto akechi (shade hyperburn) my main can only clear up to elucid solo havent tried joining any parties besides hlomein on it
@@love-pz3znNLucid only has 2x the health of Easy, for your next step forward in progression, and you definitely have the gear to do parties for like HLuWill if you felt like going into parties (never any pressure to, of course)
@@altsadhara ive made it into 1 hlucid party but i was like 7-8% dmg delt, im not sure if it was because i forgot to burst. I also got an arcane wepaon box. would it be better for me to use that over the abso with no set effect?
tb for life
Tummy keeps saying Kali is not hard to play but difficult to get good at. When is he going to make a Kali guide so we can hear what he means by that?
The wording was not weird. Not 1.
There's no way bishop is up there lol, their solo dmg output is kinda sad even if you're 80k stats (IIRC it's bottom 25% after M3/M4). Like you said they can easily join parties, but tbh if someone is making legion champions they can probably easily join carry parties so this isn't that relevant. Even I/L is just a better version of bishop, they have considerably better solo dmg and almost identical playstyle (maybe slightly less tanky but shouldn't really matter for seren since stuns/gauge are the main concern).
If this is a submain tier list then sure bishop is good, but if you want a efficient hseren mule then bishop is probably pretty mid
I may be biased cause I main bishop though :)
nah i think the damage is more than good enough to clear hseren also its not just about dmg
I main bishop as well and everything about it is disgusting broken for seren except the damage being so low. Ive been testing out setups to gauge strength for legion champs and my 20min hseren solo with really good uptime is at ~260m cp with hexa maxed angel ray, 29 feather, 19 bene, 25 DP, 9 origin. I think people who don't play bishop don't realize how bad the damage actually is, you can be hitting literally the whole fight because of your insane survivability tools and autohealing but the damage just isnt there. I really dont think other classes are going to require the same level of gear/hexa funding as this
@@momoaaYou initially made it sound like bish was a good choice. Yeah the funding you need for a bish to clear in 20 min is very high. We have kms min clears to confirm this. The video is just feeding misinformation lol
Corsair is very frag inefficient i think
Make a tier list of best to worst pots and why please. Dumbasses like me still don't understand the diff between att% and dmg%.
Buff Hero !
Bishop really sucks. It's good in high end but since the character scale with int stats, at legion champion level It's actually really bad. Just an info. KMS perspective the legion champion is around 6ok hexa power. But bishop is strong from 80k hexa power so legion champion level is not as strong.
Buff Blaze Wizard and Kanna 😢
ohellnah
lil gup
i skipped to the end and my main is in unoptimal im unsubbing
Guys please , how to play maplestory from Russia?
Duky I like your contents
Bishop as optimal is wild you will have to fund and pretty much main this to clear any of the bosses.
hilarious people still think bishop is weak.
its one of the fastest ckalos solo in kms btw.
yea ur gonna have to fund and pretty much main literally any class to clear all the legion champ missions
@@papipu389 bishop is bottom 15 classes damage wise. "Some whale spent the most on bishop so he got a good clear speed which means its good!" nice dude!
@@momoaaif you think only bishop has whale then you have another level of brain damage. -7s hat, lot of 23* and triple prime item fp still cant beat bishop.
@ way to miss the point entirely! if you think that reg server gigawhales are even remotely comparable to legion champion MULES then i dont even know what to tell you, its a glue huffr diff.
its 2025 and people still think bishop dmg is weak?
imma add these people to the most super giga stupidest creatures.
@@papipu389 jesus bro you are so haunted you got BTFO in the comment chain that you made a new thread, hahahahahaha reminder this guy thinks bishop is good because you dont have to level your bene 6th job
@momoaa like seriously if you're Bishop main and think they're weak you're new level of no hand 😭
@momoaa i mean yeah in ideal world you should max hexa obviously. stop talking obvious and taking responsibility of what you say first?
@momoaa bye idoit keep looking at CP and damage chart and pretend to play the game. lol the one who play doesn't care about those please take note.
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This is all you btw. Nice english buddy!
"and bishop hexa isnt rely on vskill(bishop burst is bene not dp and strong utility origin at level1)is another reason
with same hexa progress Bishop gonna be stronger than some weird ass class.
well it not like you can understand these since you dont play the game lol."
" bro bene give u 6 fd at lv 8 why u go beyond lvl10 anyway? and they're additive with bene fd so they give much less than your 17 fd you didnt even know this. lol bishop main? probably weaker than my mule kekw if bene is so good why no one maxed it first??????"
"from gigawhale doesn't matter to you have to maxed bene "
Idk why they only about seren as a boss …
+3 crit dmg per char
its explained in the first like minute of the video
I feel bad for anyone that's wasting hours on this game every day thats what nexon wants you to, maplestory was better pre big bang, good olll days
true brother true
Classic Tummy DB, wanting a tierlist on bree-
Anyways, the most popular classes are clearly top tier cuz they're suffering from overpopulation & overcreation 🐸 Hero, Bishop, Shadower, Kanna, Adele, NW, ...
Man 3 hours long??? I feel this could be 20-30mins max lol
50 classes in the game, even if i took only 2 minutes on each, video would be almost 2 hours. I want to put as much information as I can out there because some people it's their first time watching and like to learn as much as they can
@ I feel like instead of doing it live you have a discussion before recording and just only include the important parts. Bc for some classes you had a bit of back and forth and seemed like wasted time. The bad classes can be skimmed over pretty easily with like 10-20 sec discussions. For example NL, long burst cool down, weak in between, no s, mobility could be better done.
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Regarding Demon Slayer tp farming. What if I told you not only do I not tp farm on my 283 ds main, but I never farm more than 20-25 min a day, am full 22 star true 3 line and soloing nkalos/ekaling on Kronos? Also my Janus is still level 1.
u want a medal or something buddy
Omg so good. Finally an ethical demon slayer. Im gushing rn frfr
i guess full 22 real 3L and soloing nkalos is an achievement in 2025 😂
@@unCrownD it isn't?
Ur lv 290+ with tp farm💀
Wind archer can offscreen bosses with moss ball and hurricanes, what are you talking about lol