Yes this was designed by Alanson P Brush who started the design in 1913 and patented it in 1914. He is also the designer for the 1903 Cadillac and went on to produce his own car the Brush. He also went on the many patents and became an advisor for many automakers. he became a chief engineer for Scripps Booth. I have the patent drawings of the original Ferro V8.
Before the Great Depression there was something like just over 150 different car manufacturers in America, most only sold their cars regionally and weren't national brands, and most didn't make their own engines, they sourced them from other car manufacturers or engine manufacturers like this one. Along with the over 120 motorcycle manufacturers of the era in America the Great Depression took care of the vast majority, after it and WW2 there was only two motorcycle manufacturers and five or six car companies left, most of which didn't last long after the war either, by 1955 Indian Motorcycles was gone and by 1965 there was really only four car companies left.
Well ahead of its time! It sounds like the V12 could be used as a race car engine, roller bearings cams in my vague recollection were a sign of a racing engine. 🔥
The 1916 Peugeot 8Aa (that’s a lot of ‘a’s) V8 aircraft engine featured, among other things, double overhead cams, hemispherical combustion chambers, 4 (!!) valves per cylinder, forged pistons and a dry sump setup.. Impressive for its time, I dare say.. Really enjoy your content. Cheers from a 47 caddy custodian ;-))
The European engines were almost from another planet so sophisticated I really want to cover hispano-suzia engine those are super cool I'll need the AACA library for that one a lot of the technicals I can't find on the internet ( I started at one point but lost the research I did ) the Europeans were also doing sleeve valves
@ ahhh.. I’m a71 year old auto history freak. All the early European engines were ‘leading’ edge. Imagine how overhead cams solved so many problems!! Jean Bugatti copied harry miller’s Indy motors. The deusenberg brothers, immigrants, built engines with twice the power of every one else’s. Fiat. Alfa Romeo, isotta-frascini, BMW, gnome; all the aero engines developed for the First World War. There are tons more, certainly, but the architectural bones were there early. Henry Leland (and his designers ) was brilliant. Henry Lyons and w o Bentley etc. Bill Barr and ed Cole at Chevy, timeless designs. Overhead cams in early aircraft made the engines potentially top heavy and fuel distribution was problematic. Radials helped significantly with this. German aircraft engines used fuel predominantly sourced from coal, their engineers adapted a diesel ‘style’ fuel pump which was “mechanical “ fuel injection. Still used today, allowed the planes fly upside down.. I’m rambling here, but you get the idea. Envy your proximity to the library. Cheers from Montreal
Thank you so much for sharing all of that. I really appreciate it. Bugatti is another engine that I really wanna do. I wanna cover them all specially all of the very interesting ones to get swept under the rod or lost in the fray... But make no mistake. I'm not close to that Library that Library is 4 1/2 hours away. I went there the last time I spent six hours or whatever there and then I went to classic auto Mall, which is open till 8 o'clock on Wednesdays, and shot 11 cars in 6 hours.. he used to take me about 20 minutes to do a car. It takes a little bit longer than that now but I'm totally OK with it because I'm showing these cars like you've never seen them before. That was a 24 hour day for me left the house at 5 am Wednesday got back 5am Thursday most of the time I need to take like a 20 minute nap or whatever I didn't take a nap that day. It was one of only three times that I've ever done that I'm getting better at doing it though sometimes I just get sleepy on the way home 5 1/2 Half Hour drive to classic auto mall
I can’t believe the 10:1 compression ratio of the V12 engine. The straight 8 Duesenberg of nearly 20 years later was only 5.2:1. I doubt gasoline available in 1910 was even 60 octane.
I agree that it couldn't be a 10:1 CR. Must've been a typo or error by the printing shop. Just look at the cylinder castings. The gap between the middle cylinders reveals a 3-main bearing crankshaft! Bad enough for an inline six but, a V12? A 10:1 would've broken or bent that crankshaft in short order. I could see that engine with a 4.5:1 or maybe 5:1 just because of the crank and the quality of fuels available at the time.
He misread something, right after some engine specs on the text at 6:20 it lists "starter ratio" as 10:1, so no, it didn't have 10:1 compression pistons, as the OP stated the gas back then didn't have high enough octane levels to even think about compression that high, and for the displacement the power levels would certainly be much higher than it was. This is exactly why most cars still had flathead engines, without the octane levels needed to run an OHV engine with enough compression to make a substantial amount more power than a flathead the expense and especially the added maintenance of an OHV engine just wasn't worth it for John Q Citizen, OHV engines back then had valve trains that wore out much quicker than a flathead, so for the couple extra HP of an OHV it just wasn't worth it, people would rather have a 40 HP engine that lasted 20,000 miles compared to a 45 HP engine that had to have the valve train reworked every 5,000 miles. Back in those days only the richest people owned cars like Rolls-Royce with OHV engines, they came with tool kits and part of the chauffeurs job was being able to take the head off, install new springs and lap the valves on a weekend when the owners were out of town, that was strictly luxury car stuff in those days.
@@Steve-iw8yz They didn't, lead which is what took octane levels up to modern levels wasn't starting to be used until the 1930's and even then pump gas didn't have octane levels that could support that kind of compression until well after WW2. And aviation uses a different scale to measure octane, in WW2 what was considered 140 was about 100 octane the way pump gas is measured in the US, worldwide there's 8 to 10 different octane numbers assigned to the same exact gas, that's why when I went to Germany in 1984 and saw the lowest octane on their gas pumps was something like 94 I thought "Wow, they must have some wild cars around here", what I didn't understand at the time was what they call 94 is our 87. North America, South America, different countries in Europe, Asia, Malaysia and other regions all have different ways of measuring octane which yields different numbers for the same exact fuel, online you can find charts that show how the different regions numbers compare to each other. And the creator of the video screwed up, the starter ratio is 10:1, he misread the print shown at 6:20 that shows the starter ratio and mistakingly thought it was compression because it's listed immediately after other engine specs.
I honestly believe that these engines were way ahead of their time. I've no idea what happened to ferro why they went out of business. I wish that was a piece of the puzzle. I could find sometimes information just gets lost of time especially when you think that that was 110 years ago.
I really enjoyed this episode about another engine and company I'd never heard of. Keep 'em coming! I love seeing old engine designs. When I was working on transmission concepts I'd look at old designs to get ideas of what to try or what to avoid. Cool-looking engine. It must be difficult to do a valve job on engines with the heads cast integral to the block. I'd choose the 1916 Scripps-Booth.
I really try to put stuff out no one else has done and try to be different while researching this episode I found a whole bunch of V8 engines I never knew existed, happy you dig this channel I'm on a mission to find one of these in a car
Thank you for putting this together !! Excellent to bring these to light. I was aware of these OHV engines built for Scripps - Booth, and they were the first one piece block production V8, LONG before Henry's flathead !! Roller lifters, and... Ball pivot rocker arms decades before Chevy and Pontiac 1955. Having heard one of these run, I can tell you they sound great and they are nicely finished and look great. Ground zero for the American V8. Never heard of the V12, though it may have been a developmental dead end, due to 3 main bearings and it looks like 90 degree bank angle. Three big main bearings worked well on early V8's right up through the 1940's, though. One point of interest is that Ferro built many flathead V8's, inline 6's and 4 cylinders for General Motors in the teens and early 1920's. They were very prolific as an engine / casting supplier to the industry, I've seen a few oddball engines with that very distinctive Ferro logo.
I love covering stuff that is obscure I really dig this engine design it's a pity it didn't catch on Thank you so much for sharing all of the insight and information That V12 is a true head scratcher.. but interesting concept nonetheless the less
@@What.its.like. Yes, there are a vast majority of "car guys" in the 50 + year old range that believe Ford's flathead was the first production V8 engine, first V8 with a one piece block, ect.... and they re-gurgitate this to he newer generations as facts. I feel it is super important for someone like you to "blow the cobwebs" off this truly innovative early stuff. I feel that a huge part of the problem of what I call "automotive ignorance" stems from the post WWII boom in hot rodding...... This was the beginning of mass merchandising that hobby. Guys like Wally Parks did much to portray that era as the beginning of the hobby itself, and that is almost criminal , to say the least !! What Wally and his compatriots did was heavily promote that boom, which was largely Ford flathead based, as they were cheap, readily available, and good for the purpose. The downside of this mass-market explosion of the hobby was that most people forget about all the cool things that came before it. Yes, not only were there really cool engines prior to the Ford Flathead, but hot rodding was a thing right from the beginning of the industry!!
I was mislead thinking that as well I just found out recently about the V8 in the teens so many different designs, nothing is new just recycled technology with a new sticker. There is a lot of innovation that is getting lost to time I feel like two speed rear ends should make a comeback could increase fuel economy
@@What.its.like. The "dual ratio" rear end is so excellent from a driving efficiency standpoint. More efficient than using an overdrive to compensate for a low geared rear end. Actually, one of the biggest applications I see is in electric vehicles, of all things. Electric vehicles have a gear reduction between motor and wheels of between 9:1 and 12:1 or more, depending on model. Electric motors get very hot under high torque low speed conditions, so having a dual ratio setup would be great, and could easily be electronically controlled. (with manual control option) Remember, most modern folks can't really drive..... Nor do they care, hence the death of the manuals.
I totally agree with your statement Especially the part where most modern people can't drive .. it's like driving is looked upon as a handicap now I don't know it's weird I have a 52 Chevy 1 ton truck with a four speed stick manual everything brakes steering wipers transmission I would not trade that truck for a new one. I absolutely love it. I love switching gears. I love the sound that it makes. Linkage clutch is better the hydraulic, you can feel everything
I happy you dig this episode it was a labor of love for me finding the information, I'm a great digger I have a way of finding information, but had to bring in the big guns for this one the AACA library I hope to cover a car with this engine in it next year hopefully we can hear one run.. other cool lost and forgotten v8s are coming like king and apperson
Thank you it seems like everybody and their mom has a car channel. I want this car channel to be way more than that. I want it to cover the stuff that nobody else covers. I want to be the go to Classic Car community that people come to find rare and interesting things, and see old technology that got lost to time. Doing this channel has really opened my eyes to the fact that nothing is really new it's all just recycled technology with a new sticker slapped on it. This episode I've been working on and off for a month I'm very happy with it I do wish I could have found out why ferro went out of business tho but connecting the dots.. I think they ran out of money building these engines maybe under sold them not making enough profit and the twelve may have had casting issues that's a huge casting. These engines were not cheap to make especially with the blade and fork design which allowed the cylinder banks to sit directly across from one another. Cadillac and Lincoln V8 ( both designed by Henry Leland ) used that type of connecting rod Thank you so much for digging the channel I hope you had a happy thanksgiving
I know did you see it in the text? That's why I put it all the text that I got a lot of the information from in the video... that's impressive for that era
I agree that it couldn't be a 10:1 CR. Must've been a typo or error by the printing shop. Just look at the cylinder castings. The gap between the middle cylinders reveals a 3-main bearing crankshaft! Bad enough for an inline six but, a V12? A 10:1 would've broken or bent that crankshaft in short order. I could see that engine with a 4.5:1 or maybe 5:1 just because of the crank and the quality of fuels available at the time.
Couldn't possibly be, octane levels weren't high enough to run anything near that high back then, an engine with 10.2:1 would have shredded itself on the gas they had back those days. It wasn't until the 1930's that lead started being used to raise octane levels in gas and 87 would have been aircraft octane levels then with pump gas for cars still being much lower because engines back then hadn't started raising their compression ratios high enough to use that level of octane until well after WW2.
Don’t go around offering my dad’s scripps-booth, it’s not for sale! 😂 jokes aside, great video! Glad to see someone talk about an engine manufacturer waaay ahead of its time. If you ever wanna make a video on scripps-booth cars, hmu!
I really try thank you so much for watching I really like this engine too bad it was 110 years ago Going to cover king and apperson in the near future ( might try and put out more engine episodes for Dec just depends on various things) lol
Thanks for putting this together I've been looking for this information for a long time. FYI you show a rear shot of the Chevrolet Model D in the early part of your video as an example I think of other V8s of the time. Durant bought Scripps booth and it became the Chevrolet Model D. People say this was the first Chevy small block which is kind of cool but actually it wasn't even a Scripps Booth it was a Ferro!
I was going to add something to that effect, but I totally forgot to go back and say that the Chevrolet V8 shares a lot of characteristics from the ferro.. which brings into question how reliable these engines where the Chevy isn't an exact copy but they do use the same exposed push rod design.. early V8 are super interesting I tried to put as much text as I could even the text contradicts itself on the different sizes.. which is interesting this was a fun one to put together Happy you dig this one
These vids. of obscure engines are great. Keep 'em coming! I've wondered about the fuel in 1915 or thereabouts. It must have varied big-time in quality and where you could get it. Going to try and look that up now, curiosity's taken hold.
Thank you so much for watching this one. I love covering the oddball stuff on this channel. Try to do different things than what everybody else is doing.
Another great one!! Excellent research . . . . really enjoyed it. One random thought/question does come to mind; I wonder if the V8s employed a flat plane crankshaft layout or a cross plane arrangement. Yes, I know, a very picky question . . . . but it is an interesting one. Probably impossible to find out from that old literature. Please keep up the interesting presentations!
@@What.its.like. I did determine (from another TH-cam video) that it used a flat plane crankshaft. I don't think that the cross plane crankshaft appeared until the 1923 Cadillac. You're right . . . . . very difficult to determine the type of crankshaft but it is a major design consideration in the history of the V8 engine. Nonetheless, your presentation was excellent!
I like that Bisco. I read somewhere long ago that companies fail or succeed based more on what kind of company they are moreso than what they manufacture. This was a very advanced engine design with even the block casting being impressive. Ford with it's deep pockets had a tough time making a successful V-8 block over a decade later so Ferro was well ahead of the game. As others have commented the 10 to 1 compression of the V-12 is questionable because of octane, but also because pistons and rings likely weren't able to deal with it at the time. Likely the engine was never made and the high compression number simply given to attract interest. Hope everyone's Thanksgiving was great!
I have a book called " American Gasoline Engines since 1872" by C.H. Wendell, that features the ferro V-8 ,and a 2cyl 2stroke marine engine, great book.
Hi Jay! Thanks for the information on a company I had never heard of. VERY interesting stuff! Would love to know if anyone used that V-12 in an automobile! I had heard of the Scripps-Booth V-8 models, but did not know Ferro made the engines. WYR. Going with that cute little Scripps-Booth. Hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving!
Jay, it is amazing how you keep finding topics that are so obscure that I have never even heard of! Very interesting story about this engine. I always wonder what an engine like that sounds like. WYR= I would take any of those beauties, but I bet restoring any one of those cars would require some serious searching for parts, and then paying a fortune for them! Happy Thanksgiving, Jay!
I was going to put that in the video and I totally forgot. I really want to find a vehicle with this engine in it and here it run searching for pictures. I found that there aren't that many left. Maybe a handful of each, most in museums I want to cover all of the earliest engines because they're all engines. I never knew existed until doing this engine series for the channel it's absolutely incredible the stuff you uncover while researching.. Happy thanks giving =) I also kind of sort of want to know why Ferro went out of business if it was making these engines which wasn't cost effective form and blade connecting rods was the expensive way to go about doing that ( Cadillac did the same )
@@What.its.like. My guess about the fork and blade rod set-up is that nobody had thought to offset the banks before! Remember, this was all really new tech back in those days!
I have been researching these engines for a few years now, as I'm in the middle of rebuild a Briscoe version. I have lots of photos, but unsure how to post them.
Post on the facebook page I'll copy them and share them on the community tab here if want with you name Here is the link to Facebook group I wish TH-cam had a community bulletin board facebook.com/share/p/144LiwqGnc/?mibextid=K35XfP
Band? Happy you dig this episode. I can't believe all of the different V8 engines I've uncovered while researching this it's absolutely incredible. I never knew any of them existed, and this one is the most sophisticated of the bunch that I've seen so far.
It's crazy that that engine only existed for four years and it was so far ahead of everything else. I was going to add that the Chevy V8 took a lot of design aspects from this engine, especially the external push rods in the valley between the cylinders
WYR: All of them. These may be old, but they'll make pretty decent go-kart engines for "larger" individuals, such as myself. Yes, I'm a fat guy, but that doesn't mean I can't come up with good ideas. I don't know squat about the V12 you mentioned.
Information on the Internet about this engine series just doesn't exist.. That V12 is super interesting. I wonder if it ever got produced I say that because all the pictures I've seen the head and valley cover was off the engine Sweet choices
yea never heard of it till now, sound like it was crazy ahead of its time, and monoblock like the later offenhouser that for a good 30 years knew no equal at indy for powering winners, but it does have downsides in relation to some of the advanced stuff today. though they ran at a lower rpm back then and were heavier.
Regarding the Ferro V12 at timestamp 6:14, just looking at the cylinder castings, that crankshaft only had 3 main bearings! I shudder at the uneven torque distribution along the crank and torsional stresses it must have suffered. It's full counterbalancing notwithstanding. As for the compression ratio, I just can't accept that it had a 10:1 CR. It's got to be a typo. The gas didn't exist for that kind of CR and it would've broken that already weak 3-main bearing crank in short order. A 5:1 or even 4.5:1 CR would be believable.
I saw after putting this episode together I was able to find that the compression ratio on the V8 were 5.5:1 supposedly That v12 is a very interesting design though. I wonder if it ever got made I've never seen any pictures of the cylinder heads attached. It probably didn't work I couldn't find what it was used in maybe was a purposed boat/marine engine none the less a real head scratcher for sure and to think that was over 110 years ago
@@What.its.like. The only job I would use it for would be on a boat. The power going through a gear reduction to a large slow turning propeller. Spinning a load in water would create no sudden stresses on that weak crankshaft. Case in point, a popular auxiliary engine for sailboats long time ago was the Atomic 4. A flathead inline four that only had two main bearings and the crank was supported only on the ends. Why? It made for a very compact design and it was only turning a propeller to help get the sailboat in and out of port. They could be had with large 12V generators to power hotel loads if the yacht had such amenities.
Only certain models of the Scripps Booth got the Ferro V8, models D, H, and the Vitesse. The other models got either a Sterling, Northwood, or one of 5 others.
Gasoline back then was probably half what we have today, but the 50- 60's was race fuel compared to today's fuel. A high compression may not been possible however , they still had methanol! Equal to something like 120 octane gasoline, with the added cooling of the intake charge.
That 10.1 compression ratio was insane that's why I put the text in there ( honestly that's why I put all the text in so what I'm saying is backed up with something ) and to think some people don't like that
Totally agree and than got lost to time I never knew about this engine until a few months ago when I discovered Jackson made a V8 but after digging realized Jackson bought the V8 from a company called ferro and then went down a rabbit hole, finding a slew of v8 engines from the teens I had no clue even existed. I'm always learning stuff as well. The internet doesn't have a lot of information on this engine the AACA provided a lot of this information
Almost from the very beginning the first engine was a T head 6 cylinder Buick was OHV from the beginning as was Nash but they didn't offer v8s until later
OHV began gaining traction in the '49 Cadiddle-Yak and Olds models, and by 1951 even Studebaker had an OHV V8, more horsepower per cubic inch than the '51 Chrysler Hemi. Lincoln got overhead valves in '52, but Ford and Mercury were late to the OHV party in 1954, Packard and Pontiac replaced their side-valve inline eights with OHV V8s in -55, the same year as Chevy-s second V8, and AMC had its own V8 in 1956, having used Packard's 320 for 1955.
But the ford v8 has issues I should have said it differently by 1955 if a company didn't offer a v8, they went under Kaiser jeep is the only exception they did get V8 from AMC also ohv became industry standard in 55 Ford is only one company all companies offered a V8 by 1955..
@@What.its.like.The 55 chev small block never even had an oil filter and it was in production for only a year. Issue? Then there was Cadillac, Chrysle,r,Desoto, Plymouth for a start. The Chev was the first light weight small bloc in the US. .That was what made it special.. Tatra did it years before WW2.r All Engines have had "Issues" in some form or another.
@@paulkurilecz4209 turns out they stopped making their own engine around 1920 they would do castings for various other companies but information is very scarce. Someone in comments was telling me the company went out of business in the 50s.
ALL COMPANIES offering v8s by 1955 and ohv ( Kaiser jeep being the only exception) ford is only one company and flathead design I should have worded it differently it would take until 1955 for the v8 to become the staple engine it was for decades
So......what is a flat-crank V-8 or a cross-plane crank V-8? You share no picture and make no mention of it. Also, I believe you meant to say "...3 exhaust outlets per cylinder BANK." Three outlets per cylinder is just dumb, and would result in 12 outlets to the manifold on each bank. In case you didn't know, a 3-outlet manifold was UBIQUITOUS on American V-8 engines, and is present on any V-8 where the valves are "siamesed", like say, Ford flatheads, or Chevy small-blocks, etc., etc. And, as to the 10:1 compression? No_way_in_h3ll is that correct. Even aviation engines didn't have compressions that high. Gasoline with octane ratings high enough for that kind of compression did not exist until the 1930's, and even then was pretty much restricted to aviation and racing. Higher octanes only became available for the general motoring public AFTER the war; pre-war most gas was about 70 octane, with the rare premium being as high as 85RON. Post-war, 85 quickly became the standard, with premium slowly working it's way up to 100RON. BTW, this is a number that is higher than today's "pump octane" rating, which is an average of Research Octane Number and Method Octane values. So, that 85RON was more like 80 "pump octane", and 100RON was the equivalent of today's 94.
I didn't mention it in this video but it's been mentioned before Thank you so much for taking the time to share all that information and and say I'm with you I don't think that the compression ratio was 10 of the V12 I was able to find the compression ratio after I put this episode together the V8 were rated at supposedly 5.5:1 which is a realistic figure for that era I would love to know if the 12 ever was produced obviously they had that one unit but I've never seen a picture of it completed .. the casting would be quite the challenge, especially for that era that is a big casting to do in one section.. the other things really take away from those engines, especially the V-8 variety was how much or how how little they weigh the weight was impressive to me I put as much text in the video as it possibly could because I got all the information from the text, but the text also contradicted self in areas.. It's a very interesting gloss and forgotten engine in my opinion. I really want to find a car with that engine in it. I want to feature it hopefully next year maybe I can find one at the old car show at the Greenfield Village next year
Your 350 CID V-12 is clearly WRONG. Look at your spec panel (~7m20s) which shows a 10.1:1 compression ratio ..... what?? You must be kidding, T.E.L. wasn't invented until 1930l. If that CR was genuine then the b.m.e.p. would be that of a modern engine and the power output number would reflect that. Forget 80Hp, more like 280Hp++
@@What.its.like. Surely you don't believe everything you read? The bottom line is that you can't cheat the laws of physics - any 1919/1920's engine running a 10:1 compression ratio fuelled with the regular fuels available at the time would detonate itself to bits within moments of turning the ignition key (or hand-cranking!). To put this in perspective, take for example a 1930's era (i.e. a dozen years later) PACKARD V-12 whose 7.3Ltr engine operated with a maximum 7:1 compression ratio which yielded 160Hp remembering that by this time ethylated fuels were available. Unless the FERRO V-12 was drinking some special hooch then the specs are just nonsense.
This is NOT an 'A.I.' voice but the way the narrator is speaking renders what he's saying virtually incoherent because of extremely bad intonation, inflection, cadence etc.. Single words with more than one syllable are pronounced as two words (eg; lubri cation) and vocal periods are injected into single sentences between words (eg; "..doesn't collect but flows. Into the cylinders."). This makes it impossible to process correctly. I can't understand a word this guy is saying and he's apparently speaking English. This is not from time cuts to shorten speaking time. The Narrator seems to speak somewhat normally when he's not reading, but speaking for himself. Terrible. WTF? Worse than an AI voice. When somebody pauses at the wrong time and breaks sentences up into fragments it renders their communication in co herent It's too bad because the content is interesting. Given an improvement in delivery no telling how much more successful the channel could be.
I could respond with an equally nasty response but won't I hope your day gets better I did look at your channel wanted to take notes but you have no content so I don't take advice from people who don't have a clue on the topic...
Yes this was designed by Alanson P Brush who started the design in 1913 and patented it in 1914. He is also the designer for the 1903 Cadillac and went on to produce his own car the Brush. He also went on the many patents and became an advisor for many automakers. he became a chief engineer for Scripps Booth.
I have the patent drawings of the original Ferro V8.
Before the Great Depression there was something like just over 150 different car manufacturers in America, most only sold their cars regionally and weren't national brands, and most didn't make their own engines, they sourced them from other car manufacturers or engine manufacturers like this one.
Along with the over 120 motorcycle manufacturers of the era in America the Great Depression took care of the vast majority, after it and WW2 there was only two motorcycle manufacturers and five or six car companies left, most of which didn't last long after the war either, by 1955 Indian Motorcycles was gone and by 1965 there was really only four car companies left.
Well ahead of its time! It sounds like the V12 could be used as a race car engine, roller bearings cams in my vague recollection were a sign of a racing engine. 🔥
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this donation =) happy you dig this episode
The 1916 Peugeot 8Aa (that’s a lot of ‘a’s) V8 aircraft engine featured, among other things, double overhead cams, hemispherical combustion chambers, 4 (!!) valves per cylinder, forged pistons and a dry sump setup..
Impressive for its time, I dare say..
Really enjoy your content.
Cheers from a 47 caddy custodian ;-))
The European engines were almost from another planet so sophisticated I really want to cover hispano-suzia engine those are super cool I'll need the AACA library for that one a lot of the technicals I can't find on the internet ( I started at one point but lost the research I did ) the Europeans were also doing sleeve valves
@ ahhh..
I’m a71 year old auto history freak.
All the early European engines were ‘leading’ edge.
Imagine how overhead cams solved so many problems!!
Jean Bugatti copied harry miller’s Indy motors.
The deusenberg brothers, immigrants, built engines with twice the power of every one else’s.
Fiat. Alfa Romeo, isotta-frascini, BMW, gnome; all the aero engines developed for the First World War.
There are tons more, certainly, but the architectural bones were there early.
Henry Leland (and his designers ) was brilliant.
Henry Lyons and w o Bentley etc.
Bill Barr and ed Cole at Chevy,
timeless designs.
Overhead cams in early aircraft made the engines potentially top heavy and fuel distribution was problematic.
Radials helped significantly with this.
German aircraft engines used fuel predominantly sourced from coal, their engineers adapted a diesel ‘style’ fuel pump which was “mechanical “ fuel injection.
Still used today, allowed the planes fly upside down..
I’m rambling here, but you get the idea.
Envy your proximity to the library.
Cheers from Montreal
Thank you so much for sharing all of that. I really appreciate it. Bugatti is another engine that I really wanna do. I wanna cover them all specially all of the very interesting ones to get swept under the rod or lost in the fray...
But make no mistake. I'm not close to that Library that Library is 4 1/2 hours away. I went there the last time I spent six hours or whatever there and then I went to classic auto Mall, which is open till 8 o'clock on Wednesdays, and shot 11 cars in 6 hours.. he used to take me about 20 minutes to do a car. It takes a little bit longer than that now but I'm totally OK with it because I'm showing these cars like you've never seen them before. That was a 24 hour day for me left the house at 5 am Wednesday got back 5am Thursday most of the time I need to take like a 20 minute nap or whatever I didn't take a nap that day. It was one of only three times that I've ever done that I'm getting better at doing it though sometimes I just get sleepy on the way home 5 1/2 Half Hour drive to classic auto mall
Fascinating history of this v8!
It's amazing it didn't catch on
I can’t believe the 10:1 compression ratio of the V12 engine. The straight 8 Duesenberg of nearly 20 years later was only 5.2:1.
I doubt gasoline available in 1910 was even 60 octane.
Some high performance pre lead engines did have high compression. They were exclusivly alcohol fueled though. Probably in boats.
I agree that it couldn't be a 10:1 CR. Must've been a typo or error by the printing shop. Just look at the cylinder castings. The gap between the middle cylinders reveals a 3-main bearing crankshaft! Bad enough for an inline six but, a V12? A 10:1 would've broken or bent that crankshaft in short order. I could see that engine with a 4.5:1 or maybe 5:1 just because of the crank and the quality of fuels available at the time.
He misread something, right after some engine specs on the text at 6:20 it lists "starter ratio" as 10:1, so no, it didn't have 10:1 compression pistons, as the OP stated the gas back then didn't have high enough octane levels to even think about compression that high, and for the displacement the power levels would certainly be much higher than it was.
This is exactly why most cars still had flathead engines, without the octane levels needed to run an OHV engine with enough compression to make a substantial amount more power than a flathead the expense and especially the added maintenance of an OHV engine just wasn't worth it for John Q Citizen, OHV engines back then had valve trains that wore out much quicker than a flathead, so for the couple extra HP of an OHV it just wasn't worth it, people would rather have a 40 HP engine that lasted 20,000 miles compared to a 45 HP engine that had to have the valve train reworked every 5,000 miles.
Back in those days only the richest people owned cars like Rolls-Royce with OHV engines, they came with tool kits and part of the chauffeurs job was being able to take the head off, install new springs and lap the valves on a weekend when the owners were out of town, that was strictly luxury car stuff in those days.
In 1940 we had 140 octane av gas which is no longer available so it's not har to believe they could make 90 in 1910
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They didn't, lead which is what took octane levels up to modern levels wasn't starting to be used until the 1930's and even then pump gas didn't have octane levels that could support that kind of compression until well after WW2.
And aviation uses a different scale to measure octane, in WW2 what was considered 140 was about 100 octane the way pump gas is measured in the US, worldwide there's 8 to 10 different octane numbers assigned to the same exact gas, that's why when I went to Germany in 1984 and saw the lowest octane on their gas pumps was something like 94 I thought "Wow, they must have some wild cars around here", what I didn't understand at the time was what they call 94 is our 87.
North America, South America, different countries in Europe, Asia, Malaysia and other regions all have different ways of measuring octane which yields different numbers for the same exact fuel, online you can find charts that show how the different regions numbers compare to each other.
And the creator of the video screwed up, the starter ratio is 10:1, he misread the print shown at 6:20 that shows the starter ratio and mistakingly thought it was compression because it's listed immediately after other engine specs.
Amazing on that compression number. I never thought they had hardly half that then.
I honestly believe that these engines were way ahead of their time. I've no idea what happened to ferro why they went out of business. I wish that was a piece of the puzzle. I could find sometimes information just gets lost of time especially when you think that that was 110 years ago.
Fuel was the biggest problem. Very low octane. That 10:1 number sounds wrong to me. Awesome design.
Yeah it was I high figure but who knows I wonder how many twelves were made if any at all
I'm going to ask around maybe we will come back to it
Well it all comes down to the availability of high quality high octane fuels.
Maybe they ran it on alcohol
I really enjoyed this episode about another engine and company I'd never heard of. Keep 'em coming! I love seeing old engine designs. When I was working on transmission concepts I'd look at old designs to get ideas of what to try or what to avoid. Cool-looking engine. It must be difficult to do a valve job on engines with the heads cast integral to the block. I'd choose the 1916 Scripps-Booth.
You are definitely a finder of odd knowledge¡ Thank you for your videos and research!!
I really try to put stuff out no one else has done and try to be different while researching this episode I found a whole bunch of V8 engines I never knew existed, happy you dig this channel I'm on a mission to find one of these in a car
Thank you for putting this together !! Excellent to bring these to light. I was aware of these OHV engines built for Scripps - Booth, and they were the first one piece block production V8, LONG before Henry's flathead !! Roller lifters, and... Ball pivot rocker arms decades before Chevy and Pontiac 1955. Having heard one of these run, I can tell you they sound great and they are nicely finished and look great. Ground zero for the American V8. Never heard of the V12, though it may have been a developmental dead end, due to 3 main bearings and it looks like 90 degree bank angle. Three big main bearings worked well on early V8's right up through the 1940's, though. One point of interest is that Ferro built many flathead V8's, inline 6's and 4 cylinders for General Motors in the teens and early 1920's. They were very prolific as an engine / casting supplier to the industry, I've seen a few oddball engines with that very distinctive Ferro logo.
I love covering stuff that is obscure I really dig this engine design it's a pity it didn't catch on
Thank you so much for sharing all of the insight and information
That V12 is a true head scratcher.. but interesting concept nonetheless the less
@@What.its.like. Yes, there are a vast majority of "car guys" in the 50 + year old range that believe Ford's flathead was the first production V8 engine, first V8 with a one piece block, ect.... and they re-gurgitate this to he newer generations as facts. I feel it is super important for someone like you to "blow the cobwebs" off this truly innovative early stuff.
I feel that a huge part of the problem of what I call "automotive ignorance" stems from the post WWII boom in hot rodding...... This was the beginning of mass merchandising that hobby. Guys like Wally Parks did much to portray that era as the beginning of the hobby itself, and that is almost criminal , to say the least !! What Wally and his compatriots did was heavily promote that boom, which was largely Ford flathead based, as they were cheap, readily available, and good for the purpose. The downside of this mass-market explosion of the hobby was that most people forget about all the cool things that came before it. Yes, not only were there really cool engines prior to the Ford Flathead, but hot rodding was a thing right from the beginning of the industry!!
I was mislead thinking that as well I just found out recently about the V8 in the teens so many different designs, nothing is new just recycled technology with a new sticker.
There is a lot of innovation that is getting lost to time I feel like two speed rear ends should make a comeback could increase fuel economy
@@What.its.like. The "dual ratio" rear end is so excellent from a driving efficiency standpoint. More efficient than using an overdrive to compensate for a low geared rear end. Actually, one of the biggest applications I see is in electric vehicles, of all things. Electric vehicles have a gear reduction between motor and wheels of between 9:1 and 12:1 or more, depending on model. Electric motors get very hot under high torque low speed conditions, so having a dual ratio setup would be great, and could easily be electronically controlled. (with manual control option)
Remember, most modern folks can't really drive..... Nor do they care, hence the death of the manuals.
I totally agree with your statement
Especially the part where most modern people can't drive .. it's like driving is looked upon as a handicap now I don't know it's weird
I have a 52 Chevy 1 ton truck with a four speed stick manual everything brakes steering wipers transmission I would not trade that truck for a new one. I absolutely love it. I love switching gears. I love the sound that it makes. Linkage clutch is better the hydraulic, you can feel everything
I learned something today! Thank you so much for sharing this. I love it.
I happy you dig this episode it was a labor of love for me finding the information, I'm a great digger I have a way of finding information, but had to bring in the big guns for this one the AACA library
I hope to cover a car with this engine in it next year hopefully we can hear one run.. other cool lost and forgotten v8s are coming like king and apperson
I'm amazed at the obscure things you find such interesting stuff
Thank you it seems like everybody and their mom has a car channel. I want this car channel to be way more than that. I want it to cover the stuff that nobody else covers.
I want to be the go to Classic Car community that people come to find rare and interesting things, and see old technology that got lost to time. Doing this channel has really opened my eyes to the fact that nothing is really new it's all just recycled technology with a new sticker slapped on it.
This episode I've been working on and off for a month I'm very happy with it I do wish I could have found out why ferro went out of business tho but connecting the dots.. I think they ran out of money building these engines maybe under sold them not making enough profit and the twelve may have had casting issues that's a huge casting. These engines were not cheap to make especially with the blade and fork design which allowed the cylinder banks to sit directly across from one another. Cadillac and Lincoln V8 ( both designed by Henry Leland ) used that type of connecting rod
Thank you so much for digging the channel
I hope you had a happy thanksgiving
The V-12 compression of 10.1 to 1 must be an error , most engines o f that time had only half that much, unless it was a special racing application.
I know did you see it in the text? That's why I put it all the text that I got a lot of the information from in the video... that's impressive for that era
@@What.its.like. Do you refer to the "10.1" seen at 6:20 ? Then you didn't reed the actual text. It tell the starter gear ratio that are 10:1.
I agree that it couldn't be a 10:1 CR. Must've been a typo or error by the printing shop. Just look at the cylinder castings. The gap between the middle cylinders reveals a 3-main bearing crankshaft! Bad enough for an inline six but, a V12? A 10:1 would've broken or bent that crankshaft in short order. I could see that engine with a 4.5:1 or maybe 5:1 just because of the crank and the quality of fuels available at the time.
Couldn't possibly be, octane levels weren't high enough to run anything near that high back then, an engine with 10.2:1 would have shredded itself on the gas they had back those days.
It wasn't until the 1930's that lead started being used to raise octane levels in gas and 87 would have been aircraft octane levels then with pump gas for cars still being much lower because engines back then hadn't started raising their compression ratios high enough to use that level of octane until well after WW2.
Don’t go around offering my dad’s scripps-booth, it’s not for sale! 😂 jokes aside, great video! Glad to see someone talk about an engine manufacturer waaay ahead of its time. If you ever wanna make a video on scripps-booth cars, hmu!
I really want to cover a scrips booth one time
Hi Jay! Thanks for another great video! Conneaut Lake Museum has an old v-8 engine on an old boat pulled out of the lake.
Absoulusy love these videos !
Thank you I love doing them
Bisco.......Sailing....... wonderful song. Glad your Too Ta Loo is back !!
=)
I enjoy your content, you cover some of the more esoteric corners of the automotive world. 👍
I really try thank you so much for watching I really like this engine too bad it was 110 years ago
Going to cover king and apperson in the near future ( might try and put out more engine episodes for Dec just depends on various things) lol
Happy Thanks Giving to you and yours Jay.
Thank you so much I hope you had a great thanksgiving as well with your family
Great episode!!!
Thank you =)
Hopefully get to hear one run next year
Thanks for putting this together I've been looking for this information for a long time.
FYI you show a rear shot of the Chevrolet Model D in the early part of your video as an example I think of other V8s of the time. Durant bought Scripps booth and it became the Chevrolet Model D. People say this was the first Chevy small block which is kind of cool but actually it wasn't even a Scripps Booth it was a Ferro!
I was going to add something to that effect, but I totally forgot to go back and say that the Chevrolet V8 shares a lot of characteristics from the ferro.. which brings into question how reliable these engines where the Chevy isn't an exact copy but they do use the same exposed push rod design.. early V8 are super interesting
I tried to put as much text as I could even the text contradicts itself on the different sizes.. which is interesting this was a fun one to put together
Happy you dig this one
These vids. of obscure engines are great. Keep 'em coming! I've wondered about the fuel in 1915 or thereabouts. It must have varied big-time in quality and where you could get it. Going to try and look that up now, curiosity's taken hold.
Thank you so much for watching this one. I love covering the oddball stuff on this channel. Try to do different things than what everybody else is doing.
Another great one!! Excellent research . . . . really enjoyed it. One random thought/question does come to mind; I wonder if the V8s employed a flat plane crankshaft layout or a cross plane arrangement. Yes, I know, a very picky question . . . . but it is an interesting one. Probably impossible to find out from that old literature. Please keep up the interesting presentations!
I honestly have no clue. I didn't find any information stating what kind of crankshaft was used..
@@What.its.like. I did determine (from another TH-cam video) that it used a flat plane crankshaft. I don't think that the cross plane crankshaft appeared until the 1923 Cadillac. You're right . . . . . very difficult to determine the type of crankshaft but it is a major design consideration in the history of the V8 engine. Nonetheless, your presentation was excellent!
Did you notice _"Uses Timken bearings"_ in the v12 literature?
Yes
Amazing!
I like that Bisco. I read somewhere long ago that companies fail or succeed based more on what kind of company they are moreso than what they manufacture. This was a very advanced engine design with even the block casting being impressive. Ford with it's deep pockets had a tough time making a successful V-8 block over a decade later so Ferro was well ahead of the game.
As others have commented the 10 to 1 compression of the V-12 is questionable because of octane, but also because pistons and rings likely weren't able to deal with it at the time. Likely the engine was never made and the high compression number simply given to attract interest. Hope everyone's Thanksgiving was great!
Thank you so much for sharing that insight and information greatly appreciate it. I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving as well.
1915 Scripps-Booth, because its just the most obscure sounding automobile on the planet! (Plus Floyd Clymer mentioned it)...😊 🔵🎉
I have a book called " American Gasoline Engines since 1872" by C.H. Wendell, that features the ferro V-8 ,and a 2cyl 2stroke marine engine, great book.
That's awesome
Hi Jay! Thanks for the information on a company I had never heard of. VERY interesting stuff! Would love to know if anyone used that V-12 in an automobile! I had heard of the Scripps-Booth V-8 models, but did not know Ferro made the engines. WYR. Going with that cute little Scripps-Booth. Hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving!
Awesome choice I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, Jeffrey, you and your family =)
Jay, it is amazing how you keep finding topics that are so obscure that I have never even heard of! Very interesting story about this engine. I always wonder what an engine like that sounds like. WYR= I would take any of those beauties, but I bet restoring any one of those cars would require some serious searching for parts, and then paying a fortune for them! Happy Thanksgiving, Jay!
I was going to put that in the video and I totally forgot. I really want to find a vehicle with this engine in it and here it run searching for pictures. I found that there aren't that many left. Maybe a handful of each, most in museums
I want to cover all of the earliest engines because they're all engines. I never knew existed until doing this engine series for the channel it's absolutely incredible the stuff you uncover while researching..
Happy thanks giving =)
I also kind of sort of want to know why Ferro went out of business if it was making these engines which wasn't cost effective form and blade connecting rods was the expensive way to go about doing that ( Cadillac did the same )
@@What.its.like. My guess about the fork and blade rod set-up is that nobody had thought to offset the banks before! Remember, this was all really new tech back in those days!
Early Lincoln V8s also had fork and blade rods. I got to see a cutaway engine at either the Nethercutt or Ford museum.
Both the Cadillac and Lincoln v8 were made by Henry Leland =)
@@What.its.like. Oooh, good point!
I have been researching these engines for a few years now, as I'm in the middle of rebuild a Briscoe version. I have lots of photos, but unsure how to post them.
Post on the facebook page I'll copy them and share them on the community tab here if want with you name
Here is the link to Facebook group I wish TH-cam had a community bulletin board
facebook.com/share/p/144LiwqGnc/?mibextid=K35XfP
Will do thanks.
It was great talking with you great information
Feel free to reach out anytime =)
Amazing information 👌
Never knew about these engines.
Sailing?
Band?
Happy you dig this episode. I can't believe all of the different V8 engines I've uncovered while researching this it's absolutely incredible. I never knew any of them existed, and this one is the most sophisticated of the bunch that I've seen so far.
Christopher Cross
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Interesting unknown engine never heard of Ferro. Take the 1916 Scripps Booth
It's crazy that that engine only existed for four years and it was so far ahead of everything else. I was going to add that the Chevy V8 took a lot of design aspects from this engine, especially the external push rods in the valley between the cylinders
@@What.its.like. it wasn't till 1955 when Chev started using the ball stud rocker arm design, yet Ferro used it back then.
WYR: All of them.
These may be old, but they'll make pretty decent go-kart engines for "larger" individuals, such as myself. Yes, I'm a fat guy, but that doesn't mean I can't come up with good ideas. I don't know squat about the V12 you mentioned.
Information on the Internet about this engine series just doesn't exist..
That V12 is super interesting. I wonder if it ever got produced I say that because all the pictures I've seen the head and valley cover was off the engine
Sweet choices
I concur 🙂
@What.its.like. The V12 could've been a one-off that didn't work well for whoever owned it.
yea never heard of it till now, sound like it was crazy ahead of its time, and monoblock like the later offenhouser that for a good 30 years knew no equal at indy for powering winners, but it does have downsides in relation to some of the advanced stuff today. though they ran at a lower rpm back then and were heavier.
Regarding the Ferro V12 at timestamp 6:14, just looking at the cylinder castings, that crankshaft only had 3 main bearings! I shudder at the uneven torque distribution along the crank and torsional stresses it must have suffered. It's full counterbalancing notwithstanding.
As for the compression ratio, I just can't accept that it had a 10:1 CR. It's got to be a typo. The gas didn't exist for that kind of CR and it would've broken that already weak 3-main bearing crank in short order. A 5:1 or even 4.5:1 CR would be believable.
I saw after putting this episode together I was able to find that the compression ratio on the V8 were 5.5:1 supposedly
That v12 is a very interesting design though. I wonder if it ever got made I've never seen any pictures of the cylinder heads attached. It probably didn't work I couldn't find what it was used in maybe was a purposed boat/marine engine none the less a real head scratcher for sure and to think that was over 110 years ago
@@What.its.like. The only job I would use it for would be on a boat. The power going through a gear reduction to a large slow turning propeller. Spinning a load in water would create no sudden stresses on that weak crankshaft.
Case in point, a popular auxiliary engine for sailboats long time ago was the Atomic 4. A flathead inline four that only had two main bearings and the crank was supported only on the ends. Why? It made for a very compact design and it was only turning a propeller to help get the sailboat in and out of port. They could be had with large 12V generators to power hotel loads if the yacht had such amenities.
6:28 the v12 weighed 730lb. any increase in power gets negated by the actual weight of it...
I learned today who made the engines for Scripps-Booth. 😊
=)
Only certain models of the Scripps Booth got the Ferro V8, models D, H, and the Vitesse. The other models got either a Sterling, Northwood, or one of 5 others.
Thank you for that information
Old engines and rpm are like the "No" portion of the Drake meme.
Not knowing much about the cars here I'd say Jackson wolverine,,because it's cool name
The song is U2.
It was sailing by Christopher cross
Gasoline back then was probably half what we have today, but the 50- 60's was race fuel compared to today's fuel. A high compression may not been possible however , they still had methanol! Equal to something like 120 octane gasoline, with the added cooling of the intake charge.
That 10.1 compression ratio was insane that's why I put the text in there ( honestly that's why I put all the text in so what I'm saying is backed up with something ) and to think some people don't like that
All kinds of engine makers back then.
Yeah and they all did it differently
Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 Everyone ✌️😉
Happy thanksgiving to you and your family =)
What an amazing motor. Too bad it never caught on.
Totally agree and than got lost to time I never knew about this engine until a few months ago when I discovered Jackson made a V8 but after digging realized Jackson bought the V8 from a company called ferro and then went down a rabbit hole, finding a slew of v8 engines from the teens I had no clue even existed. I'm always learning stuff as well. The internet doesn't have a lot of information on this engine the AACA provided a lot of this information
Never heard of a Bisco(e). Could you mean Briscoe (1914-1921) of Jackson, Michigan? Their early models featured a single "cyclops" headlight!
Yep that the one
I believe Chevrolets were always OHV from the beginning.
Almost from the very beginning the first engine was a T head 6 cylinder Buick was OHV from the beginning as was Nash but they didn't offer v8s until later
the V-12 is prob a fire truck motor
🦃 Happy Thanksgiving 🦃
Now THERE was a long music clip! "New Year's Day" by U-2? "The Banana Splits Song" by The Dickies? "VIENNA" by Ultravox? Do YOU know?
Arthur’s theme (The best that you can do) Christopher Cross
I’m wrong. It’s Sailing
I believe Christopher Cross is underrated . I absolutely love the guitar solo and ride like the wind and it's buried in the mix...
1955 the start of the common V8?
About 5 million Ford Flat Head V8' might beg to differ...
OHV began gaining traction in the '49 Cadiddle-Yak and Olds models, and by 1951 even Studebaker had an OHV V8, more horsepower per cubic inch than the '51 Chrysler Hemi. Lincoln got overhead valves in '52, but Ford and Mercury were late to the OHV party in 1954, Packard and Pontiac replaced their side-valve inline eights with OHV V8s in -55, the same year as Chevy-s second V8, and AMC had its own V8 in 1956, having used Packard's 320 for 1955.
But the ford v8 has issues I should have said it differently by 1955 if a company didn't offer a v8, they went under Kaiser jeep is the only exception they did get V8 from AMC also ohv became industry standard in 55
Ford is only one company all companies offered a V8 by 1955..
@@What.its.like.The 55 chev small block never even had an oil filter and it was in production for only a year. Issue? Then there was Cadillac, Chrysle,r,Desoto, Plymouth for a start. The Chev was the first light weight small bloc in the US. .That was what made it special.. Tatra did it years before WW2.r All Engines have had "Issues" in some form or another.
Any information as to why they went bankrupt and out of business? Tia
@@paulkurilecz4209 turns out they stopped making their own engine around 1920 they would do castings for various other companies but information is very scarce. Someone in comments was telling me the company went out of business in the 50s.
U2 New Years day
Great guess wasn't that song or band
1955? What about the Ford flathead V8 since 1932? I am a Chevy fan, but facts are facts.
ALL COMPANIES offering v8s by 1955 and ohv ( Kaiser jeep being the only exception) ford is only one company and flathead design
I should have worded it differently it would take until 1955 for the v8 to become the staple engine it was for decades
Ill take a Sonny's 1000 Big Block please....
I'll have to see what that engine is and cover it =)
Very expensive engines to produce - The trick was to make an inexpensive V8.
Totally agree
Say "Fair-oh," not "Fay Roh." It's Latin for Iron.
as in ferrous
The Ferro engine wasn't advanced. Alloy blocks, superchargers and DOHC were already in use in production cars by this time.
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So......what is a flat-crank V-8 or a cross-plane crank V-8? You share no picture and make no mention of it. Also, I believe you meant to say "...3 exhaust outlets per cylinder BANK." Three outlets per cylinder is just dumb, and would result in 12 outlets to the manifold on each bank. In case you didn't know, a 3-outlet manifold was UBIQUITOUS on American V-8 engines, and is present on any V-8 where the valves are "siamesed", like say, Ford flatheads, or Chevy small-blocks, etc., etc.
And, as to the 10:1 compression? No_way_in_h3ll is that correct. Even aviation engines didn't have compressions that high. Gasoline with octane ratings high enough for that kind of compression did not exist until the 1930's, and even then was pretty much restricted to aviation and racing. Higher octanes only became available for the general motoring public AFTER the war; pre-war most gas was about 70 octane, with the rare premium being as high as 85RON. Post-war, 85 quickly became the standard, with premium slowly working it's way up to 100RON. BTW, this is a number that is higher than today's "pump octane" rating, which is an average of Research Octane Number and Method Octane values. So, that 85RON was more like 80 "pump octane", and 100RON was the equivalent of today's 94.
I didn't mention it in this video but it's been mentioned before
Thank you so much for taking the time to share all that information and and say I'm with you I don't think that the compression ratio was 10 of the V12 I was able to find the compression ratio after I put this episode together the V8 were rated at supposedly 5.5:1 which is a realistic figure for that era
I would love to know if the 12 ever was produced obviously they had that one unit but I've never seen a picture of it completed .. the casting would be quite the challenge, especially for that era that is a big casting to do in one section.. the other things really take away from those engines, especially the V-8 variety was how much or how how little they weigh the weight was impressive to me
I put as much text in the video as it possibly could because I got all the information from the text, but the text also contradicted self in areas..
It's a very interesting gloss and forgotten engine in my opinion. I really want to find a car with that engine in it. I want to feature it hopefully next year maybe I can find one at the old car show at the Greenfield Village next year
@@What.its.like. Try looking into speedboats of that era.
Your 350 CID V-12 is clearly WRONG. Look at your spec panel (~7m20s) which shows a 10.1:1 compression ratio ..... what?? You must be kidding, T.E.L. wasn't invented until 1930l. If that CR was genuine then the b.m.e.p. would be that of a modern engine and the power output number would reflect that. Forget 80Hp, more like 280Hp++
All the information is taken from text from the period
@@What.its.like. Surely you don't believe everything you read? The bottom line is that you can't cheat the laws of physics - any 1919/1920's engine running a 10:1 compression ratio fuelled with the regular fuels available at the time would detonate itself to bits within moments of turning the ignition key (or hand-cranking!). To put this in perspective, take for example a 1930's era (i.e. a dozen years later) PACKARD V-12 whose 7.3Ltr engine operated with a maximum 7:1 compression ratio which yielded 160Hp remembering that by this time ethylated fuels were available. Unless the FERRO V-12 was drinking some special hooch then the specs are just nonsense.
This is NOT an 'A.I.' voice but the way the narrator is speaking renders what he's saying virtually incoherent because of extremely bad intonation, inflection, cadence etc.. Single words with more than one syllable are pronounced as two words (eg; lubri cation) and vocal periods are injected into single sentences between words (eg; "..doesn't collect but flows. Into the cylinders."). This makes it impossible to process correctly. I can't understand a word this guy is saying and he's apparently speaking English. This is not from time cuts to shorten speaking time. The Narrator seems to speak somewhat normally when he's not reading, but speaking for himself. Terrible. WTF? Worse than an AI voice.
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It's too bad because the content is interesting. Given an improvement in delivery no telling how much more successful the channel could be.
I could respond with an equally nasty response but won't
I hope your day gets better
I did look at your channel wanted to take notes but you have no content so I don't take advice from people who don't have a clue on the topic...
On the 8th day God created the big block chevy then he broke the mold still chasing it down the track today
Hahaha that's awesome