Here is a link to the QBS livestream that EJ and Arjun Menon did a while back to explain how the sausage is made! -- th-cam.com/users/live7-rMee02K7Q?si=qnTpuUwCmljh8fzX
The title of this, alone, got me to click. Subscribed to you guys after your Buffalo Bills vid. As a Bills fan, I can tell you that level-headed, reasoned assessments of the current state of the Bills is a very, very rare thing. Looking forward to watching more.
Before the draft Giants signed FA Rookie Dante Miller, RB 5’10, 200 lbs Pro Day: 40: 4.27 Bench: 28 reps Foster Child who made Ivy League. Guy is an amazing person and athlete I have high hopes for him and I’m rooting for him
Turbo was a stud in the Ivy league, his one year in the SEC as a 5th year eligibility player he did not "make the active roster" for South Carolina. Would LOVE to see Miller make it but the odds are STACKED heavily against him. The 40 yard dash and bench press #s don't mean bubkis except to Kent Lee Platte. The 4.28 time wasn't the consensus among all the scouts timing. Hate to rain on your parade, but be real.
Was Wandale Robinson mentioned at any point in this video? Excellent receiver at creating space. Definitely needs to be accounted for by defenses. I anticipate it will be a lot of short passes to him on play action followed by deep shots to Hyatt and Nabers.
Bingo. I know WanDale is only 5'8" in high heels, but that's no excuse for overlooking him. CeeDee Lamb called out Robinson as a guy that's very difficult to cover. Robinson was a beast in the SEC as a latebreakout WR, he's the inverted case of Tyrone Tracy. Yet the spent more than a few minutes talking about 5th round rookie Tracy and completely overlooked WanDale. BIG mistake.
He will see a lot of the Sequon touches in the form of a Wes Walker type role. The Giants WR core was overall young, where they needed 2nd and 3rd picks time to develop. As well as having an Alpha #1 WR to take attention off of them. Thank you, Malik Nabers.
@Nick-zs1kx injured all the time... he's played 13 or more games every season but 1... and honestly surprised it wasn't more because his back must be killing him from carrying those bum ass rosters
They clearly haven't watched us play like ever. Saquon was stuffed nonstop, a shadow of his former self and Kayvon was an absolute beast, especially in the 2nd half. Were sad the SB era is over but happy we didn't throw down big cash on him to resign.
Respectfully I am so confused on the Malik Nabers take. It was initially said that in a few years he can be viewed as a top 10 WR2. And that he's not well cast as a WR1. I understand that ya'll are eluding to not liking him against press man coverage and having him lineup at the X. But he's 100% capable as he's still a little raw. He's a great prospect and was very deserving of top 10 draft capital and would prob be WR1 in most classes. That's not a WR2.
Yeah they’re confusing a WR1B with a WR2. Just because teams have 2 great ones doesn’t make the lesser of the 2 a WR2. We absolutely cannot normalize having to have a waddle type wr2 to be considered a good WR2. Completely unsustainable.
I like this channel but to compare nabers to smith is a big big stretch. Nabers is a lot bigger (40lbs) and a lot faster (4.3 compared to 4.5). That was a lazy comparison.
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The disrespect to Nabers is crazy. Nabers is a YAC master and that offense needs that type of player to create plays in his own. And Wandel Robinson creates space on his own so boxing Nabers in won’t be as an effective.
BJ Ojulari is most definitely not on the Giants 😂 His brother is though. Also Daboll is calling plays this year, and did so allegedly during the Cardinals game last season when they actually moved the ball through the air
Seems like they have no idea what they’re talking about basically saying kayvon will be a rotational piece while boogie basham (who barely played last year) will be oppo Burns 🤔😂
It makes me mad that nobody else talks about this. Lots of games we could’ve won with a healthy Daniel jones. If we could win 6 games with backups, we could win 9 with jones despite allllll of the other shit going on with the team
@darioepifania1603 Jones looked unplayable before getting injured. Obviously Daboll has made it work with him but is that really a good thing, ultimately? It means Jones sticks around and caps y'all as a fringe playoff team.
@@zackhurwitz9441was it Jones fault or the offensive line that let up the most sacks in NFL history? would Burrow do good on that team last year vs the Cowboys,49ers, or Seahawks?
@@darioepifania1603people dont know football. They just LOVE to hate the Giants. We have been overly Injured the last 3 seasons. And Jones 1st 5 seasons he didn’t even have num1 target
There were a lot of things I did agree with you guys in the episode, but I can’t see where your Nabers Eval is coming from. I don’t think he was bad at all against press man at LSU and used the shrug to get off press like LSU teaches. Doesn’t mean he can’t run vertical routes at all but why get away from something at school that is basically unguardable.
28:00 That GM/Headcoach partnership importance that you raise is a really interesting one. I'll be interested to see what you make of that dynamic at The Jags when you get to them because it feels to me like Doug and Trent have very different visions about what a winning roster looks like which is a big contributor to why The Jags look such a mess at times. Hats off to The Giants for doing trade and contract with Burns the right way, there's a lesson for The Jets there ;-) 1:03:15 NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBZ! #GoGophers
If anything the Giants overachieving actually set them back in the rebuild. Winning those meaningless games with Linsannity Davito at the helm did nothing but take us out of the running for a real quarterback. The schedule this year is brutal. I can’t see 5 games where they’re supposed to win.
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Calling him a WR2 is definitely being extremely down on him and I’m not sure how I can put that differently? Idk how to justify the difference between that take and reality and what was said in analyzing him. He’s not waddle. He has the route running. He has the size. No reason he can’t beat man.
Not necessarily a shot at you or anything just don’t sugar coat your takes. If you think he’s not an alpha he was a massive fucking reach at that pick imo. Should speak as such. You know you’d never take a non-alpha that high lol.
One little thing that at 51:39. I know this video comes out in late May and the news broke out later, but Darren Waller has retired. They gotta put another guy at the Y spot. Theo Johnson, maybe?
It's him or Daniel Bellinger and I could see it be Bellinger for the first few weeks as Theo gets more and more snaps but tbd just depends on who impresses more because their age gap is only like 6 months so long term plan can work with either
I enjoyed a feature from last year where there were charts displayed that I could see visually the coverage breakdowns and the run types. Still amazing content.
I for one am optimistic for this team. Strenghened up the Oline a bit, the receiving team got a bunch of speed now. Nabers, wan'dale, hyatt, etc. Edge rushing got a big boost. Some great pickups that will get their 2nd year jump, such as Deonte Banks (love his energy and effort out there). The combination of upgraded Oline should at least give Jones another second on average to throw the ball, and the receiver upgrades should be able to get open more consistently with more separation, which should combine to make a noticeable different in our offense. For this year I'll be happy with 8+ wins. Then next year when we get a new QB we can push for a 10+ win season.
You have to give this front Office credit for one thing past 2 offseasons and that’s build a respectable receiver room. I’m a big believer in building WR before you draft another QB high in the draft. If Hyatt breaks out like they’re expecting him to, Nabers does his thing and wandale is lethal from the slot.
*Read this comment* This is going to be the duality of talking about this Giants team. Whereas they shocked a lot of ppl and the year after those same shocked ppl expectations out shined the actual problems the Giants have. This will be the opposite of that coin. Expectations are low, for the team, scheme and QB. I don’t think they will limit DJ the way ppl think with the addition of extra reinforcements to the OL I think they are going to finally be able to play the way DaBoll wants. Don’t be surprised if they start to shock the rest of the league this year with how they play and how free the offense will look with a reinforced OL. They didn’t draft a QB because they needed to build a proper setting for that QB like you said. But what will also happen is a chance DJ actually shows what he’s capable with an actual pocket and time to make reads and throw the ball. I’m not optimistic but my prediction is the Giants might DOMINATE the league by surprise
I ain’t gone lie I had to turn it off when I heard bro say Malik could be a top ten #2 #2??? Nah I think he was the best receiver in the draft he’s hands down a #1 I think in three years we’ll be talking about Malik nabers in that top 5 in the nfl
I think the only thing I'd put in to this is that Slayton was our number 1 and led the Giants in receiving for like the last 4/5 years or something like that with little to no help. Nabors unlocks Slayton A LOT. That and you spoke a ton about Hyatt, who may fit that 2 OR 3 wr role. Because if Slayton is on the field. He honestly is objectively the one you will out resources towards over Hyatt. As Hyatt isn't as diverse in his skill set (yet), and... Wandale Robinson. Check his stats for the second half of the year once he came back from injury... An absolute WEAPON from the slot. This doesn't include potential receiving threat of Daniel Bellinger, who was catching EVERYTHING thrown his way in 2022 before his eye injury. With Waller gone and Theo Johnson in... Belly is opening up that receiving window for everyone as well. The receiving threats all over the place on this offense are kinda scary, IF they can get the ball.
The giants allowed 82 sacks, 2nd most in a season. The o line was historically terrible. Jones getting injured doesn’t surprise me. If Andrew Thomas isn’t healthy, the o line is one of the worst to watch.
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No mention at all of WanDale Robinson? 2nd round pick from Joe Schoen's first draft that many draft pundits highly questioned as to the value at his draft slot? Here's my take: WanDale is EASILY gonna be the second leading receiver by # of receptions on the Giants this year, about the same # as Nabers. Sorry but that's a huge whiff on your part fellas.
Granted for the giants it makes sense the talent on the roster was worse after year 1 considering they spent the entire first year tearing the roster down but you were just hoping for more from the draft class. Injuries did absolutely decimate them though. You lose your best offensive player in Barkley, lose your star left tackle, your top 2 qbs, your talented te, your #2 edge, your #1 cb, and signing guards off the couch because you ran through all your depth. This is a bit more solid of a base now but this is a true 6 win team in my eyes. They were a few plays away from being a ten win team with close losses against the bills eagles and a couple other teams, but they were also just as close to being a two win team with a bad call on Washington and a missed fg from NE. Wild stuff
Question - why not add the QBS to the Power Score metric? If its set to league rank but not curved (so 1-32 like Power Score) would it fit, or does it share some of the same stats?
Malik, Wandale, and Hyatt will be deadly and a problem for coordinators. Never mind if the offensive line holds up, and Bellinger/Johnson can be a part of the passing game and not be required to block primarily. If the line is shapes up it'll look much better than you think. Also, Daboll is creative enough to get Malik into spots where the press will be less frequent.
G-men lost 3 close games because K got hurt and Waller got mugged in endzone against Buffalo as time ran out. Easy PI call so, this team was 4 plays Away from 10 wins Schoen has constructed solid young team with no cap woes except for QB and the owner insisted on keeping DJ
I have to be honest, you guys are majorly disrespecting Wandale Robinson as a player! From the slot he is lethal, and if we can get him the ball he will have a good season. I know you also called this, but can’t say I agree with how you guys view Malik Nabers either… otherwise spot on lmao…. Hoping this coaching staff and having an actual o-line coach will make for a successful year
Daboll is probably calling plays from the beginning of the season. Malik is the #1 and Wandale is the #2. Surprised y’all didn’t really mention wandale at all
I thought people were too high on the Giants going into last season. Even healthy, I didn't think they'd do as well as 2022. Credit to the coaching staff to get what they could out of this roster.
You say they over achieved with 6 wins but they were 1 fluke play away from beating jets. 1 bad call/play at goal line from beating the bills. And they lost to rams by 1 point lol. They were 3 plays away from being a 9 win team again haha
If the Patriots dont miss a chip shot FG to tie and the cardinals don’t barf all over themselves it’s a 4 win team. I’m a Giants fan, but it goes both ways. Schoen draft picks need to hit. That’s kind of what it comes down to at this point sadly. That includes a potential draft pick QB in a future year should Schoen survive to select one.
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54:15-54:30 I feel like my soul was ripped out of me for a second, Brett. When I heard the news that he’ll be going to Philly, I had to pull into a Walgreens and rest my head on the steering wheel for a few minutes. Best wishes to him on a personal level but god that shit hurt.
“Kavon is the rotational guy that’s giving Brian a breather” got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. He’s the clear cut number 2 edge. Ojilare (don’t know how to spell his name) is the rotational guy. Kavon will have close to the amount of snaps as burns
There are a lot of in depth analysis on Nabers and they back up what Brett and EJ said. He’s an all world slot receiver prospect or Y. He can be your X - WR1 but it’s not his ideal position.
They're not underselling Nabors. They don't know if he can do what he did at LSU without another WR1 opposite him like at LSU. Basically taking shots at the rest of the WR's on the Giants.
@cooldude7821 they should be more concerned with who is throwing him the football not who is on the other side of the field. Saying " in a couple years he may be a top 10 #2 " is undervaluing his skill set. They can move him all over the field including the slot. They didn't even mention Wan'dale in the entire review.
@@mickpratt8327 They definitely didn't acknowledge Wandale. And going from Daniels to DJ is a downgrade. But good WR's with average QB's still put up #'s. Wilson put up 2-1000 yard seasons with Zach. Fairly confident Malik can do the same with DJ.
I disagree with the concept that Dabool returns to the offensive scheme of 2022. It was personnel based. Control the ball, control the mistakes, control the T.O.P, low scoring games. I see them with a healthy top 4 WR of Nabers, Slayton, Hyatt and Robinson I DO SEE 4 Verts. Why not? Also, the idea that Basham is any more than an injury replacement is HILARIOUS. He is a JAG. I see Ojulari being a Nascar package DT next to Dex on passing downs.
How you guys not talk about Wandale Robinson when talking about receivers. He should be the 2nd more productive after Nabers. I doubt Hyatt or Slayton are going to beat Robinson in receptions or targets.
Would it be possible for KT to put on 20-30 pounds over this season and then be a base end next year in a 3-3-5 , his lack of a bag as a pass rusher can get frustrating on the edge so his hand work would also have to get better but just wanted to get your guys’ thoughts on it
Overall really good analysis guys. Very accurate macro persoective but I have some topics to note on. Mike wont be calling plays. Daboll has taken over playcalling all of the practices this summer and from the outside its pretty obvious whats gonna happen. Even media stuff Daboll has talked about how many head coaches who are offensive guys call their plays so yeah he wants to take that control of his offense for his vision. You're not all that wrong about Malik but I really feel like you're selling him short. He is a Tyreek/Waddle in usage/role immediately. They're gonna feed him the ball this year, he's gonna be in motion, crossers, screens, fades, slants, curls, double moves I'd say mostly. No he isnt a technically skillset complete alpha yet but there is no reason he can't grow into that by year 2 or 3. His stop start suddenness is insane, body control, RAC, hands ability to pluck is all way up there as a player and he isnt small at all he's a solid built dude with enough length. He needs to be refined technically in some route running biomechanics, gameplan, and releases dealing with press. Thats it and there isn't any reason he can't improve there to become an AB, Jefferson, Odell, etc as a 1. Hes 30 lbs bigger than Devonta smith with the same frame length while being faster and more explosive. I'd guess 90%+ of us Giants fans are only sad about where Snakeuon went not that hes gone. That money needed ro go elsewhere, they weren't in position to pay a back Andru is playing the nickel if that helps the closer to the LOS skillset outlook EJ
And yeah overall I feel really good about organizational outlook rn. Obviously as Giants fans we know things can just get fucked up quick but this year became the realization where they got back on the right track which is that the team is looking at 2025 and 26. It's really a very accelerated rebuild because there are huge value building blocks that were already in the building. Adding a really good OL coach, Nabers, and Burns to already having Dex, AT, Okereke, Banks, and a whole bunch of intriguing to be solid potentially good starting young players is a great spot to be in. WR core is set for a couple years at least imo and that there is a building block in every non qb roster area makes each unit need less resource attention going forward.
This year is probably gonna be a 7 to 9 win season, see how the OL and secondary do to add to them and get a new quarterback as well. I'm fully in on the value of having a rookie deal qb, that's the best path and the money they have goes to free agency and roll over for now. Back on the subject of them being back on track now yeah Schoen made a big mistake in overall plan last offseason. Saquon should have been gone because he was never a long term plan guy and DJ should have been tagged or tested the market because nobody else was gonna give him that deal. Kinda sucks we missed out on Caleb and Drake but at least we're in a good spot going forward and I'm praying this season isn't a total dysfunction that resets the staff because I feel like the framework is finally here to turn the team around just needs a little bit more time
Really enjoy your take on the Giants and you really have to like the speed at WR I notice you didn't mention Wandell Robinson who had a a pretty bad injury he showed a lot of promise and should be fully recovered from the ACL If Jones finally gets decent protection the offense finally be fun to watch the defense should be pretty solid it was tough losing McKinney Tyler Nubin has some big shoes to fill !
These guys brought some cold, hard, emotionless objectivity and reality to the Giants discussion. They summed things up pretty accurately, and did so without the overly, emotionally-invested (positive or negative) take you typically get from most Giants fans (who's patience has been stretched too thin by a decade of crap football).
Im sorry but did they say that Kayvon will be the rotational guy to come in for Burns??? I think Kayvon needs to take a big step up but hes the starter and hes leagues ahead of Ojulari.
Perfect example of build the “TEAM” 1st It doesn’t make sense to get a QB killed b4 you can “build a TEAM” around him!!! Chiefs are another example of “building a team 1st”!!!
I guess u guys made this video a while ago cuz it seems like Waller retired over a month ago. I really don't understand the Daniel Jones dislike; he has never had an X or O line since he got there and the defense has been mid to horrible. I know that Jones is never going to be Patrick Mahomes level but he did make the playoffs without a good o line or receivers and he had Joe Judge as his head coach for a while. Last, the first team I really saw running 3-3-5 against 12 personnel a lot was the Eagles(3-3-5 under) during the Super Bowl year, the run defense had issues all year but was good enough until the super bowl(#1 pass defense). One of the main issues I saw with that defense is that it's hard to bump over ur run gaps(unless ur will can step down and play the edge) when teams go in motion so u can be susceptible to the plays that the Chiefs scored easily on during the super bowl. I didnt watch the Pats much last year so I didnt see how they did it but for most of the year during the Super Bowl run I really liked it, I just think that it's really important to have the right guys to run it cuz there are real weaknesses u have to cover up with personnel who can do multiple things.
No offense this is the first time I ever watched you guys one of my first Giant memories was Paul Hornung scoring three TD's I barely knew football anyway a great listen very through and enjoyable I was hoping we would get Drake Maye but were stuck with Jones and losing Barkley to Filthy was a kick in the nuts just hoping the defense can keep us in some games But Jones is an enigma wish him and hopefully the center improves! luck but the Evan Neal pick🙄 blows my mind the hope is that he becomes solid as well as you didn't mention Wandle whos got some quicks in his own right but a great show thank you .
1. Looking at what they did offensively without Dj makes me think they want to go downfield and he’s had the opportunities to throw downfield but he wouldn’t (which I don’t blame him). The biggest problem is that he doesn’t trust his line anymore and it shows. 2. I hope we play a defense that has KT Dex and Burns on the same field at the same time, that would be deadly if those edges can play the run much better which KT was ass at it. And I personally don’t like how much we paid Burns for what he has done. 3. I think this year is the year that we truly judge how good Joe has done drafting because not many of our players that he drafted have turned into great players especially our first round players. Although our late rounders are good depth pieces. But most of our draft picks feel like we’re starting them because we have no other options. 4. Brian Daboll should be a coach for us regardless to how well we do this year in my opinion 5. There’s no way we should have let McKinney walk out the door without matching the contract he got. He played 100% of the plays on defense 6. Dak is a bad plan, simply because he hasn’t gotten it done against the best teams in the playoffs with the cowboys
@@vktor5730 Yea if they could've just punched it in one time from the 1 against the Bills, make a FG against the Jets and Rams, we would've gotten the final WC spot. Crazy to think about
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As a giants fan on the saquon situation: generally don’t care but really we have so many holes to fill it would have been stupid to pay a significant amount of our money on a rb would have been pretty stupid so I can live with it.
Here is a link to the QBS livestream that EJ and Arjun Menon did a while back to explain how the sausage is made! -- th-cam.com/users/live7-rMee02K7Q?si=qnTpuUwCmljh8fzX
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The title of this, alone, got me to click. Subscribed to you guys after your Buffalo Bills vid. As a Bills fan, I can tell you that level-headed, reasoned assessments of the current state of the Bills is a very, very rare thing. Looking forward to watching more.
Welcome to the group!
Same
First time I’ve heard someone just screaming about how bad our WR core is
Before the draft Giants signed FA Rookie Dante Miller,
RB 5’10, 200 lbs
Pro Day:
40: 4.27
Bench: 28 reps
Foster Child who made Ivy League. Guy is an amazing person and athlete I have high hopes for him and I’m rooting for him
Me too turbo miller him and tyrone tracey
Yes! I'm a little peeved they just signed another rb. Got plenty of talent in the building.
Turbo was a stud in the Ivy league, his one year in the SEC as a 5th year eligibility player he did not "make the active roster" for South Carolina. Would LOVE to see Miller make it but the odds are STACKED heavily against him. The 40 yard dash and bench press #s don't mean bubkis except to Kent Lee Platte. The 4.28 time wasn't the consensus among all the scouts timing. Hate to rain on your parade, but be real.
Ong only rb I want
@@BM_EditsYT Ong?
what or who is Ong?
Was Wandale Robinson mentioned at any point in this video? Excellent receiver at creating space. Definitely needs to be accounted for by defenses. I anticipate it will be a lot of short passes to him on play action followed by deep shots to Hyatt and Nabers.
Bingo. I know WanDale is only 5'8" in high heels, but that's no excuse for overlooking him. CeeDee Lamb called out Robinson as a guy that's very difficult to cover. Robinson was a beast in the SEC as a latebreakout WR, he's the inverted case of Tyrone Tracy. Yet the spent more than a few minutes talking about 5th round rookie Tracy and completely overlooked WanDale. BIG mistake.
He will see a lot of the Sequon touches in the form of a Wes Walker type role. The Giants WR core was overall young, where they needed 2nd and 3rd picks time to develop. As well as having an Alpha #1 WR to take attention off of them. Thank you, Malik Nabers.
I must be one of those weirdos that watches every episode of these so I can get a preview on how all teams will do and what they got going on
You’re not alone. There are many of us psychos out there.
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Title has me dead 😭
‘In a few years Malik Nabers can we a top 10 #2’ is 100% being low on Malik Nabers
Without a doubt. Calling him a WR2 is an insane back pedal from what people said he was.
Also tried to suggest he is/was a slot guy and can't play on the outside.
Yeah that’s insanity, he has potential to be a top 5 number 1. Not saying he will but sure not saying he won’t.
Annnnddd that’s where I unsubscribe and stop watching. Tbh I give Brett a chance every few years and he always reminds me why I think he sucks
@@andrewmarchese2052 never have been since that whole Dwayne Haskins/Giants situation.
Makes me feel less bad about losing saquon. If we are 31st in rushing with him, it can’t be that much worse without him.
Not even Vishnu on habanero peppers could run behind Evan Neal thinking that blocking duo means humping his own lineman.
I mean what was he supposed to do? When you have to fight 3 guys as soon as you get the ball
Barring injury he's gonna make them regret it
@@jumblesgaming dudes injured all the time. eagles over paid for injured goods
@Nick-zs1kx injured all the time... he's played 13 or more games every season but 1... and honestly surprised it wasn't more because his back must be killing him from carrying those bum ass rosters
@@Nick-zs1kxheard the same thing about Swift before this year
As a giants fan I was looking forward to this video for weeks and then I see the title 😕
Exact same process on my end. Talkin Giants gives me a slight amount of delusion
I am shocked Giants fans look forward to much of anything.
@@JohnClarkW 4 super bowls. hm ur team got?
@Nick-zs1kx Yes, the Chiefs have won 4 super bowls, but there were decades of pain between 1 and 2
@@Nick-zs1kxsuper bowls wins from decades ago has nothing to do with future success
You guys are overthinking it. Kayvon won’t have less snaps than expected. He will be involved a ton.
He won't have as much as 2023 but they're foolish to suggest he will be a sub for Burns and won't play together a lot (if healthy of course).
@@ny.joe_yt Lot of dumbass takes here. Did you hear how they called Nabers generational then said he should be a WR2?
They clearly haven't watched us play like ever. Saquon was stuffed nonstop, a shadow of his former self and Kayvon was an absolute beast, especially in the 2nd half. Were sad the SB era is over but happy we didn't throw down big cash on him to resign.
Respectfully I am so confused on the Malik Nabers take. It was initially said that in a few years he can be viewed as a top 10 WR2. And that he's not well cast as a WR1. I understand that ya'll are eluding to not liking him against press man coverage and having him lineup at the X. But he's 100% capable as he's still a little raw. He's a great prospect and was very deserving of top 10 draft capital and would prob be WR1 in most classes. That's not a WR2.
Yeah they’re confusing a WR1B with a WR2. Just because teams have 2 great ones doesn’t make the lesser of the 2 a WR2. We absolutely cannot normalize having to have a waddle type wr2 to be considered a good WR2. Completely unsustainable.
@BOOTLEG Football Brett "Jesus Christ I just looked at the number oh my god" made my day🤣
To use a Rich Eisenism, there's an awful lot of Higher Register being used throughout this analysis 😂
I like this channel but to compare nabers to smith is a big big stretch. Nabers is a lot bigger (40lbs) and a lot faster (4.3 compared to 4.5). That was a lazy comparison.
I think you guys are the best “serious” nfl media.
If you like these guys (and especially this series) you'll love That Franchise Guy. Best analyst in the business and his deep dives are the absolute holy grail of NFL content
Went to highschool with Tyrone Tracy Jr that’s all I have to add to this discussion
Bro, yall nailed this episode... Came for the giants episode and I've been binging some old episodes. KEEP THE GREAT CONTENT!
This is indeed my first show if yours, youtube decided i needed a giants season preveiw.
The disrespect to Nabers is crazy. Nabers is a YAC master and that offense needs that type of player to create plays in his own. And Wandel Robinson creates space on his own so boxing Nabers in won’t be as an effective.
BJ Ojulari is most definitely not on the Giants 😂 His brother is though. Also Daboll is calling plays this year, and did so allegedly during the Cardinals game last season when they actually moved the ball through the air
Seems like they have no idea what they’re talking about basically saying kayvon will be a rotational piece while boogie basham (who barely played last year) will be oppo Burns 🤔😂
We won 6 games,and couldve beaten the jets,bills,and rams,with all the injuries and roster swapping EVERY week..the season wasnt really a TOTAL wash
It makes me mad that nobody else talks about this. Lots of games we could’ve won with a healthy Daniel jones. If we could win 6 games with backups, we could win 9 with jones despite allllll of the other shit going on with the team
@darioepifania1603 Jones looked unplayable before getting injured. Obviously Daboll has made it work with him but is that really a good thing, ultimately? It means Jones sticks around and caps y'all as a fringe playoff team.
@@zackhurwitz9441was it Jones fault or the offensive line that let up the most sacks in NFL history? would Burrow do good on that team last year vs the Cowboys,49ers, or Seahawks?
@@ant2official221 given what we've seen from Jones, even at his best up to this point?...yes 😂
@@darioepifania1603people dont know football. They just LOVE to hate the Giants. We have been overly Injured the last 3 seasons. And Jones 1st 5 seasons he didn’t even have num1 target
Giants fan I haven’t been happy since I was 5 the rest of my family is Kc(not bandwagon my dad waited 50 for a Super Bowl)and I live in Texas. Help Me
Also Daboll has taken over play calling this year
There were a lot of things I did agree with you guys in the episode, but I can’t see where your Nabers Eval is coming from. I don’t think he was bad at all against press man at LSU and used the shrug to get off press like LSU teaches. Doesn’t mean he can’t run vertical routes at all but why get away from something at school that is basically unguardable.
Saquon is living more off his reputation than his performance.
Are you kidding me? Please give #26 the respect he deserves. 🤦♂️
@@capicu7660 I did
@@capicu7660 he isn't as good as advertised
This has to be cope. Saqoun was one of the best RBs in football last year lmaoo
@@osirisapex7483 no, he wasn't
28:00 That GM/Headcoach partnership importance that you raise is a really interesting one. I'll be interested to see what you make of that dynamic at The Jags when you get to them because it feels to me like Doug and Trent have very different visions about what a winning roster looks like which is a big contributor to why The Jags look such a mess at times.
Hats off to The Giants for doing trade and contract with Burns the right way, there's a lesson for The Jets there ;-)
1:03:15 NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBZ! #GoGophers
Ski U Mah!!! Bro was a beast, sad to see him leave
@@PTG_BearsFan Amen.
If anything the Giants overachieving actually set them back in the rebuild. Winning those meaningless games with Linsannity Davito at the helm did nothing but take us out of the running for a real quarterback. The schedule this year is brutal. I can’t see 5 games where they’re supposed to win.
WOW…JUST WOW!!!! If there was a standing ovation emoji, there would be 1,000 of them here. First time listener/watcher, will nowbe a long time listener/watcher. Thank you for the amazing content and analysis!
Calling him a WR2 is definitely being extremely down on him and I’m not sure how I can put that differently? Idk how to justify the difference between that take and reality and what was said in analyzing him. He’s not waddle. He has the route running. He has the size. No reason he can’t beat man.
Not necessarily a shot at you or anything just don’t sugar coat your takes. If you think he’s not an alpha he was a massive fucking reach at that pick imo. Should speak as such. You know you’d never take a non-alpha that high lol.
One little thing that at 51:39. I know this video comes out in late May and the news broke out later, but Darren Waller has retired. They gotta put another guy at the Y spot. Theo Johnson, maybe?
It's him or Daniel Bellinger and I could see it be Bellinger for the first few weeks as Theo gets more and more snaps but tbd just depends on who impresses more because their age gap is only like 6 months so long term plan can work with either
They will have to replace that 1 TD Waller had.
I enjoyed a feature from last year where there were charts displayed that I could see visually the coverage breakdowns and the run types. Still amazing content.
they got such an outlook this season
I for one am optimistic for this team. Strenghened up the Oline a bit, the receiving team got a bunch of speed now. Nabers, wan'dale, hyatt, etc. Edge rushing got a big boost. Some great pickups that will get their 2nd year jump, such as Deonte Banks (love his energy and effort out there). The combination of upgraded Oline should at least give Jones another second on average to throw the ball, and the receiver upgrades should be able to get open more consistently with more separation, which should combine to make a noticeable different in our offense. For this year I'll be happy with 8+ wins. Then next year when we get a new QB we can push for a 10+ win season.
You have to give this front
Office credit for one thing past 2 offseasons and that’s build a respectable receiver room. I’m a big believer in building WR before you draft another QB high in the draft. If Hyatt breaks out like they’re expecting him to, Nabers does his thing and wandale is lethal from the slot.
Not having Burns and KT on the field together sounds like a waste of what talent you have
*Read this comment* This is going to be the duality of talking about this Giants team. Whereas they shocked a lot of ppl and the year after those same shocked ppl expectations out shined the actual problems the Giants have. This will be the opposite of that coin. Expectations are low, for the team, scheme and QB. I don’t think they will limit DJ the way ppl think with the addition of extra reinforcements to the OL I think they are going to finally be able to play the way DaBoll wants. Don’t be surprised if they start to shock the rest of the league this year with how they play and how free the offense will look with a reinforced OL. They didn’t draft a QB because they needed to build a proper setting for that QB like you said. But what will also happen is a chance DJ actually shows what he’s capable with an actual pocket and time to make reads and throw the ball. I’m not optimistic but my prediction is the Giants might DOMINATE the league by surprise
For this team, it once again will all come down to the Oline. They will live and die by the improvement of that groups play.
I ain’t gone lie I had to turn it off when I heard bro say Malik could be a top ten #2 #2??? Nah I think he was the best receiver in the draft he’s hands down a #1 I think in three years we’ll be talking about Malik nabers in that top 5 in the nfl
I think the only thing I'd put in to this is that Slayton was our number 1 and led the Giants in receiving for like the last 4/5 years or something like that with little to no help. Nabors unlocks Slayton A LOT. That and you spoke a ton about Hyatt, who may fit that 2 OR 3 wr role. Because if Slayton is on the field. He honestly is objectively the one you will out resources towards over Hyatt. As Hyatt isn't as diverse in his skill set (yet), and... Wandale Robinson. Check his stats for the second half of the year once he came back from injury... An absolute WEAPON from the slot. This doesn't include potential receiving threat of Daniel Bellinger, who was catching EVERYTHING thrown his way in 2022 before his eye injury. With Waller gone and Theo Johnson in... Belly is opening up that receiving window for everyone as well. The receiving threats all over the place on this offense are kinda scary, IF they can get the ball.
I cannot find the link that explains the metrics of this QBS system. I would like to know more about it.
The giants allowed 82 sacks, 2nd most in a season. The o line was historically terrible. Jones getting injured doesn’t surprise me. If Andrew Thomas isn’t healthy, the o line is one of the worst to watch.
Did I miss it or was Wan’dale Robinsion completely neglected this video. That man gets busy don’t sleep on him
Are they serious? Don't mention Robinson at WR. Thibs less time? Really?
Does underdog do any free fantasy football stuff? I want to play best ball because and I can’t find it on other fantasy apps, but I’m new to fantasy and not good so I’m not willing to put money down. I’ll take any suggestions (I currently use the ESPN fantasy app but I don’t see a best ball option)
No mention at all of WanDale Robinson? 2nd round pick from Joe Schoen's first draft that many draft pundits highly questioned as to the value at his draft slot? Here's my take: WanDale is EASILY gonna be the second leading receiver by # of receptions on the Giants this year, about the same # as Nabers. Sorry but that's a huge whiff on your part fellas.
Granted for the giants it makes sense the talent on the roster was worse after year 1 considering they spent the entire first year tearing the roster down but you were just hoping for more from the draft class. Injuries did absolutely decimate them though. You lose your best offensive player in Barkley, lose your star left tackle, your top 2 qbs, your talented te, your #2 edge, your #1 cb, and signing guards off the couch because you ran through all your depth. This is a bit more solid of a base now but this is a true 6 win team in my eyes. They were a few plays away from being a ten win team with close losses against the bills eagles and a couple other teams, but they were also just as close to being a two win team with a bad call on Washington and a missed fg from NE. Wild stuff
you made alot of sense, but their best offensive player was andrew thomas. has been for a few years now.
@@lucrative6477 best offensive weapon you know what I meant. Thomas doesn’t touch the ball aside from that one td catch
@@lucrative6477 besides I mentioned losing Thomas
We will be a lot better than people think
All of this talk is nice but none of it matters if they don't get the O line fixed and I have my doubts about that.
Question - why not add the QBS to the Power Score metric? If its set to league rank but not curved (so 1-32 like Power Score) would it fit, or does it share some of the same stats?
Malik, Wandale, and Hyatt will be deadly and a problem for coordinators. Never mind if the offensive line holds up, and Bellinger/Johnson can be a part of the passing game and not be required to block primarily. If the line is shapes up it'll look much better than you think. Also, Daboll is creative enough to get Malik into spots where the press will be less frequent.
G-men lost 3 close games because K got hurt and Waller got mugged in endzone against Buffalo as time ran out. Easy PI call so, this team was 4 plays
Away from 10 wins
Schoen has constructed solid young team with no cap woes except for QB and the owner insisted on keeping DJ
I have to be honest, you guys are majorly disrespecting Wandale Robinson as a player! From the slot he is lethal, and if we can get him the ball he will have a good season. I know you also called this, but can’t say I agree with how you guys view Malik Nabers either… otherwise spot on lmao…. Hoping this coaching staff and having an actual o-line coach will make for a successful year
Daboll is probably calling plays from the beginning of the season. Malik is the #1 and Wandale is the #2. Surprised y’all didn’t really mention wandale at all
Wandale is #3 at best
Boogie as the 4i-6 tech type is interesting as a projection Brett. I'll tell you I'd bet Ryder Anderson is that guy instead for early downs
I thought people were too high on the Giants going into last season. Even healthy, I didn't think they'd do as well as 2022. Credit to the coaching staff to get what they could out of this roster.
Nice intro and nice unbiased look. I starve for these type chats. Righto gentlemen.
Thanks for not killing the Giants too much, I am not sure what to expect this year … 2022 or 2023? Don’t know
2023
You say they over achieved with 6 wins but they were 1 fluke play away from beating jets. 1 bad call/play at goal line from beating the bills. And they lost to rams by 1 point lol.
They were 3 plays away from being a 9 win team again haha
Daboll is a wizard
If the Patriots dont miss a chip shot FG to tie and the cardinals don’t barf all over themselves it’s a 4 win team. I’m a Giants fan, but it goes both ways. Schoen draft picks need to hit. That’s kind of what it comes down to at this point sadly. That includes a potential draft pick QB in a future year should Schoen survive to select one.
Gentlemen, I feel obligated to thank you for the *incredible* comprehensive breakdowns and analysis to prep us all for the season. Started watching last offseason and for the first time in my life I actually began to care about analytics 😅
54:15-54:30
I feel like my soul was ripped out of me for a second, Brett. When I heard the news that he’ll be going to Philly, I had to pull into a Walgreens and rest my head on the steering wheel for a few minutes. Best wishes to him on a personal level but god that shit hurt.
Any thoughts on carmen Bricillio? Feels like the giants have always struggled with poor o line coaching and he could be the outlier
How do you view Tyrone Tracy vs Malachi Corley? Theo Johnson vs Jelani Woods?
“Kavon is the rotational guy that’s giving Brian a breather” got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. He’s the clear cut number 2 edge. Ojilare (don’t know how to spell his name) is the rotational guy. Kavon will have close to the amount of snaps as burns
There are a lot of in depth analysis on Nabers and they back up what Brett and EJ said. He’s an all world slot receiver prospect or Y. He can be your X - WR1 but it’s not his ideal position.
These guys are seriously underselling Nabors. I'll trust Steve Smith's assessment that he is a clear #1 reciever and not a top 10 #2.
They're not underselling Nabors. They don't know if he can do what he did at LSU without another WR1 opposite him like at LSU. Basically taking shots at the rest of the WR's on the Giants.
@cooldude7821 they should be more concerned with who is throwing him the football not who is on the other side of the field. Saying " in a couple years he may be a top 10 #2 " is undervaluing his skill set. They can move him all over the field including the slot. They didn't even mention Wan'dale in the entire review.
@@mickpratt8327 They definitely didn't acknowledge Wandale. And going from Daniels to DJ is a downgrade. But good WR's with average QB's still put up #'s. Wilson put up 2-1000 yard seasons with Zach. Fairly confident Malik can do the same with DJ.
I disagree with the concept that Dabool returns to the offensive scheme of 2022. It was personnel based. Control the ball, control the mistakes, control the T.O.P, low scoring games. I see them with a healthy top 4 WR of Nabers, Slayton, Hyatt and Robinson I DO SEE 4 Verts. Why not? Also, the idea that Basham is any more than an injury replacement is HILARIOUS. He is a JAG. I see Ojulari being a Nascar package DT next to Dex on passing downs.
How you guys not talk about Wandale Robinson when talking about receivers. He should be the 2nd more productive after Nabers. I doubt Hyatt or Slayton are going to beat Robinson in receptions or targets.
Would it be possible for KT to put on 20-30 pounds over this season and then be a base end next year in a 3-3-5 , his lack of a bag as a pass rusher can get frustrating on the edge so his hand work would also have to get better but just wanted to get your guys’ thoughts on it
Right.... gee what a refreshing take
Overall really good analysis guys. Very accurate macro persoective but I have some topics to note on.
Mike wont be calling plays. Daboll has taken over playcalling all of the practices this summer and from the outside its pretty obvious whats gonna happen. Even media stuff Daboll has talked about how many head coaches who are offensive guys call their plays so yeah he wants to take that control of his offense for his vision.
You're not all that wrong about Malik but I really feel like you're selling him short. He is a Tyreek/Waddle in usage/role immediately. They're gonna feed him the ball this year, he's gonna be in motion, crossers, screens, fades, slants, curls, double moves I'd say mostly. No he isnt a technically skillset complete alpha yet but there is no reason he can't grow into that by year 2 or 3. His stop start suddenness is insane, body control, RAC, hands ability to pluck is all way up there as a player and he isnt small at all he's a solid built dude with enough length. He needs to be refined technically in some route running biomechanics, gameplan, and releases dealing with press. Thats it and there isn't any reason he can't improve there to become an AB, Jefferson, Odell, etc as a 1. Hes 30 lbs bigger than Devonta smith with the same frame length while being faster and more explosive.
I'd guess 90%+ of us Giants fans are only sad about where Snakeuon went not that hes gone. That money needed ro go elsewhere, they weren't in position to pay a back
Andru is playing the nickel if that helps the closer to the LOS skillset outlook EJ
And yeah overall I feel really good about organizational outlook rn. Obviously as Giants fans we know things can just get fucked up quick but this year became the realization where they got back on the right track which is that the team is looking at 2025 and 26. It's really a very accelerated rebuild because there are huge value building blocks that were already in the building. Adding a really good OL coach, Nabers, and Burns to already having Dex, AT, Okereke, Banks, and a whole bunch of intriguing to be solid potentially good starting young players is a great spot to be in. WR core is set for a couple years at least imo and that there is a building block in every non qb roster area makes each unit need less resource attention going forward.
This year is probably gonna be a 7 to 9 win season, see how the OL and secondary do to add to them and get a new quarterback as well. I'm fully in on the value of having a rookie deal qb, that's the best path and the money they have goes to free agency and roll over for now. Back on the subject of them being back on track now yeah Schoen made a big mistake in overall plan last offseason. Saquon should have been gone because he was never a long term plan guy and DJ should have been tagged or tested the market because nobody else was gonna give him that deal. Kinda sucks we missed out on Caleb and Drake but at least we're in a good spot going forward and I'm praying this season isn't a total dysfunction that resets the staff because I feel like the framework is finally here to turn the team around just needs a little bit more time
Really enjoy your take on the Giants and you really have to like the speed at WR I notice you didn't mention Wandell Robinson who had a a pretty bad injury he showed a lot of promise and should be fully recovered from the ACL If Jones finally gets decent protection the offense finally be fun to watch the defense should be pretty solid it was tough losing McKinney Tyler Nubin has some big shoes to fill !
As a giants fan, i think wan'dale Robinson is primed to have a break out year. Way more than hyatt
He already did imo. 60 catches and 500 yards in that terrible offense is impressive.
I believe reports from mini camp were that daboll was calling plays and is expected to this season
These guys brought some cold, hard, emotionless objectivity and reality to the Giants discussion. They summed things up pretty accurately, and did so without the overly, emotionally-invested (positive or negative) take you typically get from most Giants fans (who's patience has been stretched too thin by a decade of crap football).
Nate solder was the other name… Nate solder…
Amazing analysis. Finally real nfl analysts
Excited for our WR corps in 2025. Will be fun to watch them grow together this year.
im pretty sure reports from the current practices have said that Daboll is calling the plays and running the offense.
If the Giants would have just stopped Drew Lock from running a touchdown drive they just might have beaten the Seahawks.
I believe Tyrone Tracy went to Iowa as a WR, then idk when transferred to Purdue is where he converted to RB.
Im sorry but did they say that Kayvon will be the rotational guy to come in for Burns??? I think Kayvon needs to take a big step up but hes the starter and hes leagues ahead of Ojulari.
I was wondering how long it would take before we got a video that wasnt some form of optimism for a team. We've finally found it.
Even then there's still some optimism lol
Kollman does this every year… he hates the giants…
I love ❤️ this channel man
Perfect example of build the “TEAM” 1st
It doesn’t make sense to get a QB killed b4 you can “build a TEAM” around him!!!
Chiefs are another example of “building a team 1st”!!!
Malik Nabers not a #1??? Lmao
I guess u guys made this video a while ago cuz it seems like Waller retired over a month ago. I really don't understand the Daniel Jones dislike; he has never had an X or O line since he got there and the defense has been mid to horrible. I know that Jones is never going to be Patrick Mahomes level but he did make the playoffs without a good o line or receivers and he had Joe Judge as his head coach for a while. Last, the first team I really saw running 3-3-5 against 12 personnel a lot was the Eagles(3-3-5 under) during the Super Bowl year, the run defense had issues all year but was good enough until the super bowl(#1 pass defense). One of the main issues I saw with that defense is that it's hard to bump over ur run gaps(unless ur will can step down and play the edge) when teams go in motion so u can be susceptible to the plays that the Chiefs scored easily on during the super bowl. I didnt watch the Pats much last year so I didnt see how they did it but for most of the year during the Super Bowl run I really liked it, I just think that it's really important to have the right guys to run it cuz there are real weaknesses u have to cover up with personnel who can do multiple things.
No offense this is the first time I ever watched you guys one of my first Giant memories was Paul Hornung scoring three TD's I barely knew football anyway a great listen very through and enjoyable I was hoping we would get Drake Maye but were stuck with Jones and losing Barkley to Filthy was a kick in the nuts just hoping the defense can keep us in some games But Jones is an enigma wish him and hopefully the center improves!
luck but the Evan Neal pick🙄 blows my mind the hope is that he becomes solid as well as you didn't mention Wandle whos got some quicks in his own right but a great show thank you .
NYG have a better team this year and they win 6 games in 2023. I see 9-8 or 8-9.
1. Looking at what they did offensively without Dj makes me think they want to go downfield and he’s had the opportunities to throw downfield but he wouldn’t (which I don’t blame him). The biggest problem is that he doesn’t trust his line anymore and it shows.
2. I hope we play a defense that has KT Dex and Burns on the same field at the same time, that would be deadly if those edges can play the run much better which KT was ass at it. And I personally don’t like how much we paid Burns for what he has done.
3. I think this year is the year that we truly judge how good Joe has done drafting because not many of our players that he drafted have turned into great players especially our first round players. Although our late rounders are good depth pieces. But most of our draft picks feel like we’re starting them because we have no other options.
4. Brian Daboll should be a coach for us regardless to how well we do this year in my opinion
5. There’s no way we should have let McKinney walk out the door without matching the contract he got. He played 100% of the plays on defense
6. Dak is a bad plan, simply because he hasn’t gotten it done against the best teams in the playoffs with the cowboys
With a TEAM around him watch Daniel Jones prove a lot of people, they’re incorrect evaluations and theories wrong!!!
Thanks brett now i have to go back and watch some giants film because i dont understand how a team that statically bad found 6 wins
The funny part is that they could’ve won 3 more games if a play or two went their way. That’s a testament to Daboll if anything.
@@vktor5730 Yea if they could've just punched it in one time from the 1 against the Bills, make a FG against the Jets and Rams, we would've gotten the final WC spot. Crazy to think about
Yeah but the giants weren’t building for 2022 to make playoffs and win a playoff game with backup players so I guess we’ll see 🤷♂️
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Not going to happen. You're a 3 year customer, you don't need to get hooked like a prospective customer.
If you don't put Kayvon & Burns on the field at the same time, you better have a top 5 defense. If not, you don't want your job.
As a giants fan on the saquon situation: generally don’t care but really we have so many holes to fill it would have been stupid to pay a significant amount of our money on a rb would have been pretty stupid so I can live with it.
Definitely one of the teams of all time! 🔥🔥
EJ said it so perfectly talking about Hyatt, dude may be WR4 or 5 pmao
Malik Nabers is no one's number 2. Yall are buggin.
And Burns and Thibs will definitely be on the field together. Dislike.
Who is going to tell him that bj ojulari doesn’t play for the giants?