Yeah he sucks now and that contract is atrocious but he didn’t assault anybody and it’s ridiculous that people are so ignorant of the situation and the justice system as a whole. scummy lawyers use the practice of “discovery abuse" or "litigation tactics" all the time.
This show was my most listened to for 2024. Thank you Brett and EJ for being real on this show and bringing legitimate, unbiased commentary on what’s going on in college and NFL football to TH-cam. I can’t wait for what comes in 2025 🔥
That John Mackey Award for Warren sounds a lot like Taysom Hill. Tight End frame, Running Back speed/explosiveness, Wildcat QB/Passing ability, gadget unpredictability is exactly what Hill brings to the Saints
Maybe the Mackey award has been trending up from the last 10 (even 15) years because of the emergence and impact of versatile receiver TEs and their impact in the NFL. Besides the big 6'6" wall who can double as a tall receiver/lineman, you got guys who are a little shorter (but still have the size) with more athleticism to play as backfield blockers/receivers or as YAC guys catching in space.
1:09:20 One thing you two missed about Hunter's stamina and durability is that he lives, practices, and played half of his home games over the last 2 years at mile-high elevation. He did what he did at atmospheric oxygen levels other elite athletes simulate for short bursts in training to great effect. I don't think he's going to end up in Denver, so moving onto the NFL means he's going to have even better conditioning than he does now. Hunter almost certainly would've played more snaps and played at higher energy levels had he played at sea level for the past 2 years. Makes what he did somehow even more impressive!
I want to commend Brett’s restraint in resisting comparing a prospect’s stiff arm to Derrick Henry’s. I remember hearing no fewer than three 2020 draft class WRs be compared to Tyreek Hill’s speed so I’m happy to see growth in that area lol
Tyler Warren reminds me a lot of Jason Witten. Same height/size, runs great routes, catches anything that hits his hands, and most importantly, is a pretty good blocker.
JPJ is now the starting center for vegas and has been for probably 5 or 6 weeks now. doesn’t seem like he’s going to be giving that job back anytime soon
I don't have any stats to back this up but my sense is that good wide receivers in college usually end up being good in the NFL. Not always, as with anything, but often
@@ad6499 Bound to be O+Dline I'd say. Purely due to the physical requirements to play the spots. The best O-Line in every draft normally pan out pretty well, and Big old school Dlinemen seem very reliable to draft outside of speed rushers.
Landon Dickerson torn is ACL in the national championship game of his senior year. not an achellies but an example of an award winner with a major injury right before the draft. Howie Roseman has said the only reason he was available to the eagles at 37 is because of injury he should have been a top 20 pick
Great. That Eagles GM is gonna find a way to somehow snag Seth McLaughlin in the middle rounds & he'll become their next Jason Kelce for the next decade after he's back from injury
sheduer has the highest yards off of screens but has the best accuracy and most tight window throws 20 yards and further so the vision is for him to be a joe burrow with insane accuracy and timing he already has they can fix and better his heroball and knack to hold onto it for too long he can be pro bowl caliber or better with that.
@@heat_death7definitely not. his physical talent is maybe the lowest of any first round qb since like, kenny pickett. i think a lot of it is 'character' and his floor. i would be surprised if shedeur was like, awful
Pretty damn harsh assesment of Najee Harris in my opinion. I can understand the take if you're mostly going off stats, or from some of the Steelers more notable prime time games from recent years. But he's played behind some atrocious run blocking in his time in Pittsburgh. Including a season of KENDRICK GREEN being the PLANNED starter at center as a rookie for a season. Harris has been constantly available, rarely fumbles, and really punishes defenses if he's given any help with some good blocking up front. I think if he leaves Pittsburgh next year, or if he can be complimented by a Steelers offense which stops teams from selling out against the run then he could really surprise some people. He's a running back who is definitely going to get a second contract, likely for a few years with an avg yearly value of 6million +, that's really not bad for a modern day RB. And I think he could out perform that greatly.
Najee Harris: - Poor at using his size effectively due to upright running posture & preference for a juke, side step, spin, or hurdle rather than finishing runs with violence. - Despite forcing missed tackles at a pretty good rate, his yards after contact per attempt average sits right around league average. Yards over expectation per attempt over his career sit well below +0.5 RYOE/att, meaning he gets what's blocked in the aggregate. - When Harris is afforded excellent blocking and/or forces a missed tackle and breaks into the open field, he does not possess the acceleration or speed to generate explosive run plays. He has a career long rush of just 37 yards despite taking 1063 carries as of writing. Dating back to Alabama, his career long play there was a reception of only 42 yards. Harris is a very poor athlete at RB for NFL standards. For reference, Josh Jacobs possesses a similar build and ran 4.64 at his pro day. He had season-long runs of 51, 86, and 63 yards in 2019, 2022, and 2023. Another example: Rhamondre Stevenson (4.64) had season-long rushes of 64 and 49 yards in 2023 and 2022. - Offers nothing of note as a receiving threat. Purely a checkdown option that does not possess an ability to generate a cushion as a route runner and drops 8.9% of his targets. Najee Harris is a running back in the same mold as Leonard Fournette but slightly worse. Both are huge, imposing men--they look awesome as they get off the bus. Unfortunately, neither use(d) their size effectively like you'd expect from a 230-240 pound back. Fournette also was a deeply underwhelming receiver that did not make much of the missed tackles he forced or finish runs with violence *for extra yards* nearly as much as you'd hope. Fournette was more aware of his size and power and he did look to use that ability more than Harris does but, again, he was ineffective at actually getting extra yards from it. However, Fournette did have a leg up on Harris in that he was actually quite fast and wicked fast for his weight. So when he did break into the open field, he was able to turn those runs into homeruns. For example, he hit 22.05 MPH on a TD run in 2017, which would be the T-17th fastest ball carrier speed clocked in the NFL from 2018-present according to the NFL NGS database (public data available from 2018 on). If you have to tout "rarely fumbles" as a reason why a running back is good or better than people think, just scratch that thought entirely. Rarely allowing sacks or rarely allowing receivers to run by them for touchdowns are basic competencies for offensive linemen and defensive backs. If they allow these negatives plays beyond rare instances, they don't play in the NFL. Likewise for being constantly available. Showing up ready to work isn't a skill. It's an expectation and avoiding injuries at a contact position is almost exclusively thanks to luck. That third positive of "really punishes defenses if he's given any help with some good blocking up front" is patently false. Najee Harris is probably the least explosive running back to regularly receive carries and targets to enter the NFL in the last decade. I struggle to conjure up names in my time seriously watching of an NFL skill position player lacking explosivity like Harris does.
@C21-hv8ch I absolutely understand your points, and I guess time will tell, but I really do believe in my opinion. If Najee gets onto a half decent offense, I could see him having a serious upturn in his stats. I truly believe that there aren't many backs in the league that could do what the Steelers have asked of Najee Harris. I think this is evidenced by their use of Jaylen Warren, who is a more flashy "explosive" running back. He's a valuable player for the Steelers, and he often has fans clamouring for him to get more snaps. But he's fumbled way more than Najee with way less snaps + has often gone down hurt. I'd also argue that no Running Back in the league has been in a worse setup than Harris in the league. His BEST QB that he's had in his time at the Steelers has been a game managing 35yo Russell Wilson. His interior line has been absolutely awful up until this year in flashes. He gets hit in the backfield at a ridiculous rate, which would help explain his low yards above expected. When he actually gets a chance to attack the linebackers he regularly gets a lot of extra yards. It's definitely true that he's not a back with breakaway pace, or that he has route running skills. But he's one of the better "workhorse" style backs in the NFL.
@@JimBrownski ah now no harm in talking football under a pretty nerdy football show. He makes good points, which are common among the Steelers fans who are lower on Najee than me. I don't fully agree, but they're decent points well made.
@@stevedomique9278 Thing is time is against most RBs unless they are outliers like your Saquon, CMC, Derrick Henry. If they can't show to have the burst then teams would rather look to the draft even in late rounds to take a chance on a power runner. Or even scour the market for cast offs that didn't fit their old team. You seem to overrate Najee to a point where you think he gets a 2nd long term contract when even Saquon couldn't even get a multi-year deal from the Giants after sitting out a year ago. David Montgomery had to prove he can be the short yard grinder in a Lions O-line before he got his 2 yr deal. And Montgomery was still getting better results during his Bears tenure than Najee. You're nothing more than a homer fan just overrating your own teams talent.
As a seahawks fan im so sad at the fact that Walkers talent is being held back by an atrocious interior line. Come to think of it we have had some great RB talent after Lynch that couldnt take off because of bad oline play (and injuries) carson, rawls, and walker all very talented
Do you think the Eagles drafting Jalen Carter stunted Jordan Davis’ growth? When they drafted Davis I think they wanted to develop his pass-rushing, but once they got Carter they didn’t need him to do that anymore since Carter and Milton Williams could now take the pass rushing snaps
I'm curious what we're defining as a hit, and what the general hit rate of the NFL is. Like, getting a contract after your rookie deal is up isn't *bad*, and I think it's about 50% that do that. What's a hit, what's the general hit-rate? I'm going to suspect that the awards don't correlate much with being a hit. I'm like less than a minute into the video. I need to sleep.
Kinda sucks that interior line is classed as before the tight end, So many fantastic interior linemen should get a different kind of recognition then your ends and tackles
When you say Banks may not have the ceiling of Alt but take him he will be good I hard agree. It is so difficult to just find a solid LT starter in the nfl
Moherig is inbetween solid starter and role player. He's had some big big plays for us and has been solid. In fact over the last 3 weeks He's been one of the best safeties in football per PFF, so he's got highs and lows meaning role player is a good place to be. He's also young he's like 26 he's really young still. Excited for him.
Even then, apparently, the most recent best QB in the NCAA is usually a good choice in the draft. Question becomes,why isn't the Davey O'Brien winner the first QB off the board in almost every year?
I know you guys are tired of beating a dead horse, but can you please talk about the ineptitude of Woody Johnson after that article from the athletic just came out
"Gross Human" as Deshaun Watsons 'how they panned out' is probably the funniest thing ive ever seen 😂😂😂😂
Brett you smell good
I thought so too
Wonder what fragrance he has on
@@OffBrandIdlotjust how he smells naturally
@@OffBrandIdlotI took to twitter to find the answers, and he said it was manscaped cologne. The people have their answer
Must be oiled up
My takeaway from this video is that Quinn is the kinda QB who can make the defense right even when they're wrong
YEP
genuinely really glad for the “gross human” assessment on groper cleveland. it should overshadow everything that he does for the rest of his life
Yeah he sucks now and that contract is atrocious but he didn’t assault anybody and it’s ridiculous that people are so ignorant of the situation and the justice system as a whole. scummy lawyers use the practice of “discovery abuse" or "litigation tactics" all the time.
@@Joeyrigatoni-x1y So, tell me what we know that he's done, based on what he's said he's done.
And *then* tell me that that isn't gross.
This show was my most listened to for 2024. Thank you Brett and EJ for being real on this show and bringing legitimate, unbiased commentary on what’s going on in college and NFL football to TH-cam. I can’t wait for what comes in 2025 🔥
Make that TE a saint to learn the taysom spot when hes finished soon.
The O'Brien Award section chart had me dying laughing. So wild how all that turned out. Great content guys!!
“Gross Human” 🤣😂
That John Mackey Award for Warren sounds a lot like Taysom Hill. Tight End frame, Running Back speed/explosiveness, Wildcat QB/Passing ability, gadget unpredictability is exactly what Hill brings to the Saints
As a Chargers fan, Tyler Warren is my favorite choice for the first round. He would fit so well in Jim Harbaugh's offense.
Maybe the Mackey award has been trending up from the last 10 (even 15) years because of the emergence and impact of versatile receiver TEs and their impact in the NFL. Besides the big 6'6" wall who can double as a tall receiver/lineman, you got guys who are a little shorter (but still have the size) with more athleticism to play as backfield blockers/receivers or as YAC guys catching in space.
It would of been helpful to have added a column in the sheets indicating who drafted each person.
Fuck yeah right on time for this one
1:09:20 One thing you two missed about Hunter's stamina and durability is that he lives, practices, and played half of his home games over the last 2 years at mile-high elevation. He did what he did at atmospheric oxygen levels other elite athletes simulate for short bursts in training to great effect. I don't think he's going to end up in Denver, so moving onto the NFL means he's going to have even better conditioning than he does now. Hunter almost certainly would've played more snaps and played at higher energy levels had he played at sea level for the past 2 years. Makes what he did somehow even more impressive!
That fiance of his I ain't saying she a gold digger continue the rest of the line
@@TiffanyBasnerbro worried about another dudes girl. Jealousy is crazy
He’s not going to magically get more stamina at sea level. Your body adjusts at altitude after 3 weeks.
I want to commend Brett’s restraint in resisting comparing a prospect’s stiff arm to Derrick Henry’s. I remember hearing no fewer than three 2020 draft class WRs be compared to Tyreek Hill’s speed so I’m happy to see growth in that area lol
I wouldn’t call Max Duggan a bust.. he was a 7th round pick
What day two pick will Brett compare to a NFL all pro is my question?😂 In all seriousness love you guys!
53:10 "GROSS HUMAN"😂😂😂😂
Tyler Warren reminds me a lot of Jason Witten. Same height/size, runs great routes, catches anything that hits his hands, and most importantly, is a pretty good blocker.
JPJ is now the starting center for vegas and has been for probably 5 or 6 weeks now. doesn’t seem like he’s going to be giving that job back anytime soon
semi related but is there a position that most tracks from college production to the nfl?
I don't have any stats to back this up but my sense is that good wide receivers in college usually end up being good in the NFL. Not always, as with anything, but often
@@ad6499 Bound to be O+Dline I'd say. Purely due to the physical requirements to play the spots. The best O-Line in every draft normally pan out pretty well, and Big old school Dlinemen seem very reliable to draft outside of speed rushers.
@@stevedomique9278 yeah that's a good point. You can't teach size.
From what I’ve seen, it’s easily center. Especially first round centers. They have such a high hit rate it’s crazy
Landon Dickerson torn is ACL in the national championship game of his senior year. not an achellies but an example of an award winner with a major injury right before the draft. Howie Roseman has said the only reason he was available to the eagles at 37 is because of injury he should have been a top 20 pick
Great. That Eagles GM is gonna find a way to somehow snag Seth McLaughlin in the middle rounds & he'll become their next Jason Kelce for the next decade after he's back from injury
What's the disconnect between Shadeur not even being nominated to him being projected as the first or second overall pick?
upside mostly
sheduer has the highest yards off of screens but has the best accuracy and most tight window throws 20 yards and further so the vision is for him to be a joe burrow with insane accuracy and timing he already has they can fix and better his heroball and knack to hold onto it for too long he can be pro bowl caliber or better with that.
@@heat_death7definitely not. his physical talent is maybe the lowest of any first round qb since like, kenny pickett. i think a lot of it is 'character' and his floor. i would be surprised if shedeur was like, awful
Pretty damn harsh assesment of Najee Harris in my opinion. I can understand the take if you're mostly going off stats, or from some of the Steelers more notable prime time games from recent years. But he's played behind some atrocious run blocking in his time in Pittsburgh. Including a season of KENDRICK GREEN being the PLANNED starter at center as a rookie for a season.
Harris has been constantly available, rarely fumbles, and really punishes defenses if he's given any help with some good blocking up front. I think if he leaves Pittsburgh next year, or if he can be complimented by a Steelers offense which stops teams from selling out against the run then he could really surprise some people. He's a running back who is definitely going to get a second contract, likely for a few years with an avg yearly value of 6million +, that's really not bad for a modern day RB. And I think he could out perform that greatly.
Najee Harris:
- Poor at using his size effectively due to upright running posture & preference for a juke, side step, spin, or hurdle rather than finishing runs with violence.
- Despite forcing missed tackles at a pretty good rate, his yards after contact per attempt average sits right around league average. Yards over expectation per attempt over his career sit well below +0.5 RYOE/att, meaning he gets what's blocked in the aggregate.
- When Harris is afforded excellent blocking and/or forces a missed tackle and breaks into the open field, he does not possess the acceleration or speed to generate explosive run plays. He has a career long rush of just 37 yards despite taking 1063 carries as of writing. Dating back to Alabama, his career long play there was a reception of only 42 yards. Harris is a very poor athlete at RB for NFL standards. For reference, Josh Jacobs possesses a similar build and ran 4.64 at his pro day. He had season-long runs of 51, 86, and 63 yards in 2019, 2022, and 2023. Another example: Rhamondre Stevenson (4.64) had season-long rushes of 64 and 49 yards in 2023 and 2022.
- Offers nothing of note as a receiving threat. Purely a checkdown option that does not possess an ability to generate a cushion as a route runner and drops 8.9% of his targets.
Najee Harris is a running back in the same mold as Leonard Fournette but slightly worse. Both are huge, imposing men--they look awesome as they get off the bus. Unfortunately, neither use(d) their size effectively like you'd expect from a 230-240 pound back. Fournette also was a deeply underwhelming receiver that did not make much of the missed tackles he forced or finish runs with violence *for extra yards* nearly as much as you'd hope. Fournette was more aware of his size and power and he did look to use that ability more than Harris does but, again, he was ineffective at actually getting extra yards from it. However, Fournette did have a leg up on Harris in that he was actually quite fast and wicked fast for his weight. So when he did break into the open field, he was able to turn those runs into homeruns. For example, he hit 22.05 MPH on a TD run in 2017, which would be the T-17th fastest ball carrier speed clocked in the NFL from 2018-present according to the NFL NGS database (public data available from 2018 on).
If you have to tout "rarely fumbles" as a reason why a running back is good or better than people think, just scratch that thought entirely. Rarely allowing sacks or rarely allowing receivers to run by them for touchdowns are basic competencies for offensive linemen and defensive backs. If they allow these negatives plays beyond rare instances, they don't play in the NFL. Likewise for being constantly available. Showing up ready to work isn't a skill. It's an expectation and avoiding injuries at a contact position is almost exclusively thanks to luck. That third positive of "really punishes defenses if he's given any help with some good blocking up front" is patently false. Najee Harris is probably the least explosive running back to regularly receive carries and targets to enter the NFL in the last decade. I struggle to conjure up names in my time seriously watching of an NFL skill position player lacking explosivity like Harris does.
@C21-hv8ch I absolutely understand your points, and I guess time will tell, but I really do believe in my opinion. If Najee gets onto a half decent offense, I could see him having a serious upturn in his stats.
I truly believe that there aren't many backs in the league that could do what the Steelers have asked of Najee Harris. I think this is evidenced by their use of Jaylen Warren, who is a more flashy "explosive" running back. He's a valuable player for the Steelers, and he often has fans clamouring for him to get more snaps. But he's fumbled way more than Najee with way less snaps + has often gone down hurt.
I'd also argue that no Running Back in the league has been in a worse setup than Harris in the league. His BEST QB that he's had in his time at the Steelers has been a game managing 35yo Russell Wilson. His interior line has been absolutely awful up until this year in flashes. He gets hit in the backfield at a ridiculous rate, which would help explain his low yards above expected. When he actually gets a chance to attack the linebackers he regularly gets a lot of extra yards. It's definitely true that he's not a back with breakaway pace, or that he has route running skills. But he's one of the better "workhorse" style backs in the NFL.
@@C21-hv8chleave a comment not a college thesis . Way too much time on your hands
@@JimBrownski ah now no harm in talking football under a pretty nerdy football show. He makes good points, which are common among the Steelers fans who are lower on Najee than me. I don't fully agree, but they're decent points well made.
@@stevedomique9278 Thing is time is against most RBs unless they are outliers like your Saquon, CMC, Derrick Henry. If they can't show to have the burst then teams would rather look to the draft even in late rounds to take a chance on a power runner. Or even scour the market for cast offs that didn't fit their old team. You seem to overrate Najee to a point where you think he gets a 2nd long term contract when even Saquon couldn't even get a multi-year deal from the Giants after sitting out a year ago. David Montgomery had to prove he can be the short yard grinder in a Lions O-line before he got his 2 yr deal. And Montgomery was still getting better results during his Bears tenure than Najee. You're nothing more than a homer fan just overrating your own teams talent.
The homage link isn't working for me, the page closes right away. Does it work for other people or do we need a new link?
What is the draft position column doing? It’s not places? Why the decimals?
Its round.pick#
@@goldencloud7527 oh that makes sense ty
What about the Lombardi, the Bronko Nagurski Award, and the Ted Hendricks Award?
Refresh quicker than tj watts getoff
Something something "Myles Garrett PFF predicted refresh rate".
Sorry, just beating my fellow Steelers fans to the punch with some tired jokes.
@@stevedomique9278 clocking in to the myles garrett pff rating gripe factory
As a seahawks fan im so sad at the fact that Walkers talent is being held back by an atrocious interior line. Come to think of it we have had some great RB talent after Lynch that couldnt take off because of bad oline play (and injuries) carson, rawls, and walker all very talented
Who's the better player Joe Thomas or late career Trent Williams?
Was seventh round Duggan really a bust?😂
Correction … Zaven Collins was the 16th pick of the 1st round not 6th!!
Do you think the Eagles drafting Jalen Carter stunted Jordan Davis’ growth? When they drafted Davis I think they wanted to develop his pass-rushing, but once they got Carter they didn’t need him to do that anymore since Carter and Milton Williams could now take the pass rushing snaps
Brett nailed it with Jalon. Early career Von Miller is how Jalon should be used.
I'm curious what we're defining as a hit, and what the general hit rate of the NFL is.
Like, getting a contract after your rookie deal is up isn't *bad*, and I think it's about 50% that do that. What's a hit, what's the general hit-rate? I'm going to suspect that the awards don't correlate much with being a hit. I'm like less than a minute into the video. I need to sleep.
Awesome content
First 2025 draft content, we eating so good
Kinda sucks that interior line is classed as before the tight end, So many fantastic interior linemen should get a different kind of recognition then your ends and tackles
When you say Banks may not have the ceiling of Alt but take him he will be good I hard agree. It is so difficult to just find a solid LT starter in the nfl
Didn't Landon Dickerson got hurt a lot, including his last year at Alabama?
Yay!
These shows are for me
(Bears fan)
Walker a Luvu type?
Moherig is inbetween solid starter and role player. He's had some big big plays for us and has been solid. In fact over the last 3 weeks He's been one of the best safeties in football per PFF, so he's got highs and lows meaning role player is a good place to be. He's also young he's like 26 he's really young still. Excited for him.
Barron kinda reminds of the honey badger in some ways
Minor point but Giants fans know that Jalin Hyatt is a bust, not because of QB play. Dude is trash
I'm really worried about that time to throw
did I read that right? Desmond King had a 1st team All-Pro yet never got a Pro Bowl?
yep!
Thoughts on Banks staying at LT… Brugler thinks he’s a OG
He’s a tackle.
@@Dawg-Boneand you are?
I don't care if it's a reach, I want the patriots to draft Banks at 3.
I love you too brett
Before I watch gonna say yes 70% are studs outside of heisman cuz it's mostly QBs.
Even then, apparently, the most recent best QB in the NCAA is usually a good choice in the draft. Question becomes,why isn't the Davey O'Brien winner the first QB off the board in almost every year?
I know you guys are tired of beating a dead horse, but can you please talk about the ineptitude of Woody Johnson after that article from the athletic just came out
1:16:15
Heismam Trophy.
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I could be wrong on this but I believe penei is the offensive lineman that moves the most distance during a game
Please colts don’t fuck this up. Draft Warren then watts in the second 😮💨
The 2024 Heisman, simp is…. Travis Hunter…. 😂
Probably 9th or something idk time for another episode
Bootleg Football!!!
Yall gotta put the college these dudes went to on that excel sheet you have… I mean cmon now it’s so simple and much needed
Jahdae burron is just like josh metellus except he can play corner instead
And he's a total flores guy if he stays. Just imagine the chaos presnap with everyone on the vikes too
Early present
Gross Human 😂
No.
Trevor Lawrence is not good
This dudes lying
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