I really enjoyed watching this video from beginning to end. Really great information, and you did such a good job explaining everything! Collab coming soon???😉
Can y’all share a range of what you’d be charging for jobs like this? Really appreciated the information and experience shared in the video. Currently studying for my Part107. Want to, need to, have to, jump in quick and am looking forward to this growing industry/market!!
@@jwmj2897 Real pricing is so hard to find man. And what you do find is all over the place. They'll say things like "$30 - $160 an acre depending" or "$99 - $240/hr depending" But they wont break down what depending is. Personally, I have been laughed at for a quote and been told I was cheap for the same type/size quote. I made $1300 to record raw video of a RV park. I made $150 taking pics of a house for a realtor. I made $3500 for making a map of a corridor that was 6 miles long and 120' wide. So....good luck. And you find a magical price sheet for drone services please let me know!
LiDAR is really good. I’ve been using it for close to a decade now. LiDAR is one of the things where you get what you pay for. Not all scanners and IMUs are created equal.
This is like what computers with Excel and estimating software that can read AutoCad files has done to the construction industry. When I got out of college in the early 80's it could take three trained professional construction estimators, two or three weeks to go through 50 huge sheets of blue prints and a 300 page spec book from the architects in order to put together an estimate and submit a bid to do the construction of a million-dollar-plus construction project. The cost of doing the estimate itself has to be added to the price of the construction project - maybe 350 man hours. Now, one man does the same thing in one single day. It's totally a win-win for everybody on multiple levels. Three weeks is chopped off of the process which cuts three weeks of interest-carry on the loan the real estate developer has, the construction company can have a much higher mark-up on it's estimating cost because it's still going to be only a fraction of the price of what it used to be. Instead of three men, full time, estimating 20 projects a year to bid on, one man can do 200. Lidar, post processing software, and high performance drones can do the same thing to the surveying industry.
You summed it up perfectly. We are working on some of the biggest projects ever in a much smaller/ condensed timeline compared to traditional methods of capturing this data!
Hey I am Brian from East Africa and i can confidently say your explanations are superb.On this side of the world drones are used but not like how you explained above.I am currently in uni but you have inspired me to learn as much as i can about these new (to me) drone capabilities for the benefit of my community and country.Inspiring work ...🇰🇪
really good video! coming from normal DJI drones as a videographer, but a drone lidar newbie and guy who is really interested in getting into the space, i would love a more in depth video, where you don't leave stuff out and skip parts - a real step by step video on what i would need to do also i have trouble understanding a few basics: 1.) you get the ground points via a CAD file you say - how do you know where they are? the ground point tag looks not accurate in the vegetation - i only know the ones on the asphalt 2.) there seem to be two kind of RTKs, one for the drone to get accurate flight paths and the other ones to create points on the map or something? how do i work with RTKs? how do i set those points in the program correctly? 3.) i don't understand what exactly i would give the company in the end? how do you create the so called "finalized deliverables" and how do they look like? what program do you use to make them? thanks a ton in advance!
Awesome! Thanks for the information! Living in northwestern Montana is a highly vegetated state and Lidar would be very beneficial in our services where photogrammetry doesn't get you the accurate data needed. Keep up the great work and informative videos, Thanks again!
Glad you enjoyed it! I’ve got a video I’m working on of 600+ acres of a highly vegetated mountain residence with a proposed developmental plan. That want to see the surface and potential opportunity zones to develop additional amenities. It’s pretty cool tech that allows us to see everything with very minimal effort!
Think about archaeology, especially in open desert areas. It's an inexpensive way of finding straight lines that can indicate ancient buildings at or below ground level. Works a charm in forested areas, jungles and the like... worldwide. Now it's cheap enough for smaller projects or difficult to reach areas. Good job!
How much can you increase the accuracy by adding more GNSS heads? And does the wind have an impact on accuracy? Even if it moves these heads 0.5cm, does that have any effect?
Hello. Great video. I’m not sure why you use both the drtk-2 and the Emlid RS2. If you are running a PPK process with the RS2 why bother with the DRTK-2 as well? I run the L1 on my M300 and I use the RTK on the drone with an NTRIP service. Works great. Really curious why you double up on the RS2 and DRTK-2
You do not need to be a licensed surveyor to capture LiDAR at all. You can do the data collection for a surveyor but they will need to check it and approve it before it can be used for that line of work.
Nice video Dylan. I've been researching Lidar for some time now and even this exact same setup. So how much of a learning curve was it when you got the M300+Lidar? I've done photogrammetry in the past.
To be 100% honest, it took a few flights and a lot of mistakes (in processing and understanding the more technical parts of the data analysis). Capturing the data is by far the easiest part to be fair though.
@@roblet5047 I have one. I’ve flown it. It flys just like any other drone. I fly full acro drones, those are way harder. This flys like any other GPS drone.
Great video!! How about accuracy? Is it better than Photogrammetry? For example; to measure a roof of a building, what is best, The lidar solution or Photogrammetry(highend camera like the P1)?
There's a channel "adventures with purpose" that searches in water for lost cars and helps solve cold cases. I sent them info on it and they loved it. Being able to find targets faster and have a clearer picture could be big!
Oooo, we actually have a bathymetric sensor but haven't put it to use yet. As for a bathymetric LiDAR sensor, that works a bit more differently than the typical sonar based system that we have (and is also like $250K just for the LiDAR version of that sensor). If I get a chance to play with one I will 10000% make a video about it because that's something I have always wanted to play with!
Great informative video Dylan. Just out of curiosity, the R2A comes with a 24mp Sony camera integrated into the LIDAR package, why not use the photos captured with that rather than fly a separate mission using the P1? Was that for comparative purposes for those using traditional photogrammetry methods to capture survey data?
It was more of a comparison between LiDAR data and Photogrammetry data for surface penetration. The colorized point cloud shown on the LiDAR data was from the 24mp Sony sensor that is on there so theoretically we can process orthos with those without a second flight needed.
John - I can't speak to why Dylan reflies an area with the P1, but I can say why I do. I have a GVI LV70 with a Sony 24 mp Nex camera and a separate P1 payload. The P1 photos are far superior to the Sony. If I want colorized LiDAR I can do it in LiGeo. Yes it increases the collection time, but for my purposes it isn't a significant cost. Also, the P1 can collect data at twice the speed or more than the LV70. GVI recommends a velocity of about 5 m/s and flight heights of 60 m or less. One can fly with a P1 at 120 m at a speed of 13 m/s. The downside of the P1 is the file size. Orthomosaics can be 10 gb or more, so I use GeoExpress to convert them to sid format to use in Civil 3D, ArcMap, or QGIS. I think it comes down to what meets your needs. Also, the GVI LV70, which looks remarkably similar to the Rockrobotics and a few other LiDAR units, there is a slight shift in the orthophoto because the GPS is based on the LiDAR sensor not the camera.
@@cascadestreamsolutions4211 loved this explanation. I haven’t tired combining my ortho data from the P1 with the Rock Robotics LiDAR data yet, I might have to try it out!
How are you getting the DATA to NAD83 and NAVD88 data to be used with FEMA elevations an engineer will need? You said you average the RS2 this will not be correct with out PPK the data to a CORS station or use a reference network such as Trimble or Leica to start with. Your description of the project It seems to me you will need to be on the same data as FEMA. to determine the true BFE (Base Flood Elevation). for the buildable areas.
So i'm only using the RS2 for my PPK process, I am using the controls that the survey company sent over to tie all my data to which is what I did in Rock Cloud. I set up my re projection in the same state-plane/ datum in order for the deliverable to line up properly with FEMA's data. I hope that answers that question?
As long as one is collecting data in a systematic way along with collecting base station data or using CORS the data can be reprojected into State Plane, UTM or whatever you want.
Great video. May I suggest you seek out a surveyor to explain some of the details about what this data is. What it’s used for, and how to maintain accuracy.
Good video explaining the niches of the technology. A word of caution for those wanting to hop on the bandwagon. Be very cognizant of state laws where you are operating. Legally where I do business with Lidar Technology, all controls and deliverables MUST be approved and certified by a Land Surveyor or Engineer to be used! You cannot just go do the scan, set your own control and sell to these companies who want this data. It will be worthless to them or you will be taken to court for Surveying without a license from the state board you are flying in. I have heard horror stories about lots of unlicensed work going on where surveyors are being approached randomly to certify data they didn't collect. Not good for our business!
Hey Matt, great point you brought up here that I forgot to mention in the video. Every state does have its own laws regarding selling and distributing "survey" grade data. I did try and mention that if you are not a surveyor to either work with one or only use this data as a "construction" layout model as you can easily get yourself tied up into some legal trouble if you present that data improperly.
@@DylanGorman I would highly advise to not even present the data as a construction layout model to a general contractor. Once again you will assume high levels of liability risk by doing so. Unless you work with an engineer/surveyor, you cannot provide topographic data. The only good the data does for you is a reality capture asset that can be used to create a digital twin for an artistic type of market place. Now structure inspections on the other hand are a bit of a different animal. There is much more room for growth in those industries for independent pilots. Places like solar panel farms, tower and roof inspections, powerline modeling for local municipalities.
@@airartisan Understand. I am still learning about all the terminology and proper applicable ways to sell it. I appreciate you correcting my understanding of this. Side note, what is your background? You seem to be very knowledgable in this! Thanks.
@@DylanGorman I am a drone LiDAR technician UAS operator and reality capture specialist employed full time with a surveyor with a background in the surveying trade. I also carry a uas thermography certification from the infrared training center. My expertise lies within LiDAR and photogrammetry mapping.
I've been a fan for the longest I wanted see if you have a program of how to use pix4D mapper i'm trying to start drone mapping since the longest with my mavic 3 classic!
I am currently rebuilding my online course that will go in-depth with pix4d mapper/matic. Just as a heads up, pix4d mapper will no longer receive new updates, just bug fixes. Pix4d matic will be where all the new updates come to.
I’ve been able to produce data sets as close as .01 USft of accuracy. It’s pretty amazing. I’ve got a project where I’m mapping 600 acres and I’ll be making a full video on that as well as showing the final accuracies and deliverables that I’m able to produce.
@@DylanGorman 0.01USft = 0.3*0.01 = 3 millimeters?) it is unbelievable! Anyway wait for the video with final accuracy. Maybe u can test in the field with classic rtk gps receiver/tacheometer? I mean take some points in the forest for control.
I know it's kind of an older video, but can you do a video where you go really in depth on the differences between some various methods of doing Photogrammetry vs LiDAR, compare results, and how we can get as close to LiDAR using Photogrammetry as possible, which drones would be best for that, etc. I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions! :) (also, sorry if you already did this video, I'm watching as many as I can but haven't seen one of those yet lol)
@@DylanGorman fwiw, I have the Mini 2 SE, I don't think Drone Deploy works for it yet, maybe never? I plan on getting the Mini 3 Pro after a few more jobs 😅😅😅
Ive offered LiDAR consulting, sales, service and training for years. To be successful in sUAS LiDAR, you must have substantial contacts in the respective industries that have a need for it. I focus primarily in surveying, construction and civil engineering and I have customers that bill well over $1,000,000 a year (small, ‘mom and pop’ customers at that); i agree 100% with what Doug is saying….the data is like gold to a lot of companies. However, you must have the contacts to make it work. For a good, mid range sUAS solution you’re going to be in the 100k range. Add another 15 to 25k for equipment to shoot ground shots and a computer that can process it (your off the shelf Best Buy computer will not handle these datasets). Good luck!
U should try propellers aeropoints. It will make your life way easier. Basically they are gcp with integrated gps. U just place them switch'em on do ur survey. When finishes the survey ur gcps will have known position. Give that a try I promise they are worth it
As per usual, thank you Dylan! What are the differences or drawback from using an M30 instead? It sounds like the M30 is a third of the price or the 300 with payload.
Richard, this is exactly what I was going to say. M30 is built more for search and rescue where M300 RTK is built for pilots like us that want to run all kinds of sensors (with the ease of use being DJI platform).
Depends on the deliverables you are promising to send. I would never say its a survey grade deliverable since you aren't a surveyor. I would learn towards a highly accurate model rather than survey model.
Check the state regulations you want to provide data in. In CA and OR, licensed civil engineers and surveyors can collect topographic data and sell it. I'm not sure how many licensed surveyors or engineers are going to accept responsibility for the data someone else collects without a rigorous QA/QC effort.
Not many licensed surveyors would take responsibility. I can see some of the contours are being "pulled" due to lack of proper grade breaks. In TX topographic data is not regulated by the state board so engineers use this type of data since they place a disclaimer to match to existing grade on their construction plans.
$50K is fairly cheap compared to the millions of $$$ that people used to spend to get access to this technology. It is still a lot of money for most people but again technology is evolving so fast that soon this tech will only cost about $20K-$30K
@@DylanGorman I'm going to try and get started with just photogrammetry first. I am thinking I'll try to use some open source/free/trial versions of mapping and mission softwares to kind of, build a portfolio site basically showcasing what I can offer and then try and go from there. I'm super happy I found this channel, you've been very informative.
So I need a 40k camera to do aerial data mapping though? I'm very ready to invest my life into this industry, lol. I just am learning more and more every day. I do not want to do anything with my degree but create my own aerial surveying business.
David- the advantage of LiDAR is vegetation penetration. If you don’t have a need for this type of solution, a high end photogrammetry solution will beat LiDAR every day of the week in terms of vertical accuracy.
Nice vid - even as a hobbyist and a drone nerd i appreciate the explaination - not my industry but very cool. And oh - Let your aussie brother Daniel Ricardo know i said hi :) haha
$50k vs a simple camera on a drone. LiDAR is good, but like u say, it takes gold to purchase it. If you don't mind saying, how much do you charge for a survey, let's say 10 ac track?
That is unfortunate. So far in the US we don't have those kinds of restrictions. However there are restrictions in place for how you fly the drone. Now if you fly a drone over 55lbs (25kg) then you need additionally certifications to fly it commercially.
Dylan you have some good videos I like to see more I looking to buy a drone in less a month I like too know if we can get together so I can see a demo.
Really wish my dream profession wasn't 10s of thousands out of reach of me. 23. Getting 107 and starting to get leads as I've been flying hobbiest for 2 years now. Fpv and cini
I think I meant the job. For example, say you need to survey 100 acres of undeveloped land for a company putting in a shopping district there. What I understand, is that what you can do for them is fly your LiDAR drone above the land and create a highly accurate 3D interactive model of the land and it’s features that you could send them over in a file that they could run in a program? How much might a large company pay for this? I’d assume you aren’t charging hourly and you can price estimate a job?
okay so....where is the metaverse? not like location, i mean what content is there for it? it literally seems like a ponzi scheme by Meta to just pump hot air into their stock. like, if I want to go in the metaverse right now....what do I do? what content is out for it?
So metaverse can be as simple as a virtual tour (like matterport) or as complex as fully virtual worlds that people are selling virtual things on (like NFT's). There is no one definition for the metaverse other than its basically everything that is virtualized from the physical world. That is a very simple way of explaining it!
@@DylanGorman ohhh interesting. yes so I did some searching and it seems I was confused because of how Meta (previously Facebook) seemed to market it as THEIR technology. this makes more sense now. Thanks!
Sorry man , you are misrepresenting Lidar . It is expensive in comparison to Photogrammetry which is in fact as if not more accurate than Lidar. Vegetation, Lidar does not see thru"vegetation , if you stand in a forest and and see light ,lidar can measure it. Bear in mind it is not ground level , there is forest detritus above ground level. So yes very useful for planning, or research such as flood planning.
I disagree. I have some data sets that show my statement off pretty well to the point where even surveyors were surprised at how well LiDAR penetrated through heavily vegetated areas.
@@DylanGorman I have been a Surveyor and Photogrammetrist for over 50 years. I use all the latest technology. Fact is the contours are interpolated between observed points where light is SEEN thru the canopy. I have datasets that show clearly canopy has not been removed. But as a Surveyor I understand that it is not always Ground level , but on top of fallen and accumulated branches leaves etc. So I did not decry lidar, but the tool should be used with understanding.
I hear you. Overall this video was to show a basic overview of LiDAR and some use-cases. I know theres a lot more to it but its impossible to cover everything in a 15 min video. LiDAR is a fantasist tool though when it comes to looking at vast amounts of terrain (even heavily vegetated ones), but again it depends on how it's being applied and interpreted just like you said. I do believe that LiDAR has come a long way in terms of its tech and accuracy. Its just another tool at the end of the day.
I really wish you would stop defining photogrammetry so generically. You clearly have no idea of the capabilities/performance of high end professional aerial photogrammetry, and repeatedly class photogrammetry only from the consumer "point and squirt" entry point, which has become popular due to consumer drones and entry level software packages that do little more than render the image over a poor TIN/DEM. Good videos Dylan and again, I congratulate you for doing what you do and love your passion for it... but please, understand there is a vast range in photogrammetry and I've personally used all of it from state-of-the-art (in all it's steps, from the 80's to now) in aerial, satellite, terrestrial, stereo, analytical to digital all the way to multi image, measuring F1 race cars and space craft to tens of microns... MICRONS! Rant over... keep up the good work!
I do have a vast knowledge in photogrammetry as well. This video was aiming to show off the now more accessible forms of data capture with LiDAR as well as how simple I can be. Photogrammetry still has its place and we still do a lot of mapping for it.
Hello Dylan, I’m sorry to inform you that I believe someone as hacked your channel. If you are this person,and you are reading this,please stop trying to scam me!
Curious, do you find your Army Corps of Engineers work on sam.gov? There have been a few of them on there recently and one right now in the Jacksonville District.
This one was through a personal relationship that I have with the developer. The Army Corps of Engineers were already involved on this project. I just happen to have LiDAR capabilities in the area to be able to provide the data that they were looking for!
Dylan, Have you seen that many commenters on this video (including me) have gotten a message from "Dylan Gorman" informing them they just won 2 DJI Mini Pro 3s? The message says to send them a DM on Telegram (a messaging service that it seems all of Russia is using these days). I did so. I got an immediate response asking me for my complete name, email address, mailing address, and cell phone number.
I really enjoyed watching this video from beginning to end. Really great information, and you did such a good job explaining everything! Collab coming soon???😉
100% I’ve got some ideas 😎
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Can y’all share a range of what you’d be charging for jobs like this?
Really appreciated the information and experience shared in the video. Currently studying for my Part107. Want to, need to, have to, jump in quick and am looking forward to this growing industry/market!!
@@jwmj2897 Real pricing is so hard to find man. And what you do find is all over the place. They'll say things like "$30 - $160 an acre depending" or "$99 - $240/hr depending" But they wont break down what depending is. Personally, I have been laughed at for a quote and been told I was cheap for the same type/size quote. I made $1300 to record raw video of a RV park. I made $150 taking pics of a house for a realtor. I made $3500 for making a map of a corridor that was 6 miles long and 120' wide. So....good luck. And you find a magical price sheet for drone services please let me know!
and to make that map, at the time I had to spend $2500 of my $3500 paycheck to get software to process and store that data for the client.
LiDAR is really good. I’ve been using it for close to a decade now. LiDAR is one of the things where you get what you pay for. Not all scanners and IMUs are created equal.
Correct. This IMU is pretty damn good though!
This is like what computers with Excel and estimating software that can read AutoCad files has done to the construction industry. When I got out of college in the early 80's it could take three trained professional construction estimators, two or three weeks to go through 50 huge sheets of blue prints and a 300 page spec book from the architects in order to put together an estimate and submit a bid to do the construction of a million-dollar-plus construction project. The cost of doing the estimate itself has to be added to the price of the construction project - maybe 350 man hours.
Now, one man does the same thing in one single day. It's totally a win-win for everybody on multiple levels. Three weeks is chopped off of the process which cuts three weeks of interest-carry on the loan the real estate developer has, the construction company can have a much higher mark-up on it's estimating cost because it's still going to be only a fraction of the price of what it used to be. Instead of three men, full time, estimating 20 projects a year to bid on, one man can do 200.
Lidar, post processing software, and high performance drones can do the same thing to the surveying industry.
You summed it up perfectly. We are working on some of the biggest projects ever in a much smaller/ condensed timeline compared to traditional methods of capturing this data!
Hey I am Brian from East Africa and i can confidently say your explanations are superb.On this side of the world drones are used but not like how you explained above.I am currently in uni but you have inspired me to learn as much as i can about these new (to me) drone capabilities for the benefit of my community and country.Inspiring work ...🇰🇪
Love hearing that! I wish the best for you in your studies
@@DylanGorman thank you so much success in all your endevours too.
Any chance you can do a cost breakdown of the end-to-end workflow system and discuss how to charge for projects and what ROI might look like?
Happy to see someone spreading awareness of our industry. I just flew a Powerline mission and currently processing the data.
Powerline data is my favorite. I have a video I am working on to show that exact data set off as well.
This is fantastic, Dylan! What great content about drones and how our industry is getting into a big new phase!
Thanks Daniel! Couldn’t do it without y’all’s tech.
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really good video!
coming from normal DJI drones as a videographer, but a drone lidar newbie and guy who is really interested in getting into the space, i would love a more in depth video, where you don't leave stuff out and skip parts - a real step by step video on what i would need to do
also i have trouble understanding a few basics:
1.) you get the ground points via a CAD file you say - how do you know where they are? the ground point tag looks not accurate in the vegetation - i only know the ones on the asphalt
2.) there seem to be two kind of RTKs, one for the drone to get accurate flight paths and the other ones to create points on the map or something? how do i work with RTKs? how do i set those points in the program correctly?
3.) i don't understand what exactly i would give the company in the end? how do you create the so called "finalized deliverables" and how do they look like? what program do you use to make them?
thanks a ton in advance!
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Watch this series, Trying to do the same thing. this was helpful
Awesome! Thanks for the information! Living in northwestern Montana is a highly vegetated state and Lidar would be very beneficial in our services where photogrammetry doesn't get you the accurate data needed. Keep up the great work and informative videos, Thanks again!
Glad you enjoyed it! I’ve got a video I’m working on of 600+ acres of a highly vegetated mountain residence with a proposed developmental plan. That want to see the surface and potential opportunity zones to develop additional amenities. It’s pretty cool tech that allows us to see everything with very minimal effort!
It is so awesome the value you're seeing from LiDAR. It really is amazing tech!
It really is!
Great Content! Love the walk through! Thanks for showing off the features of the RockCloud!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Think about archaeology, especially in open desert areas. It's an inexpensive way of finding straight lines that can indicate ancient buildings at or below ground level. Works a charm in forested areas, jungles and the like... worldwide. Now it's cheap enough for smaller projects or difficult to reach areas. Good job!
Good educational drone video without all the silly stuff. That’s why I subscribed. Thanks
I appreciate that!
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learning a lot from you both , thanks
How much can you increase the accuracy by adding more GNSS heads? And does the wind have an impact on accuracy? Even if it moves these heads 0.5cm, does that have any effect?
Hello. Great video. I’m not sure why you use both the drtk-2 and the Emlid RS2. If you are running a PPK process with the RS2 why bother with the DRTK-2 as well? I run the L1 on my M300 and I use the RTK on the drone with an NTRIP service. Works great. Really curious why you double up on the RS2 and DRTK-2
Question. Do I have to be a licensed land surveyor in order to capture LiDAR? If so, what steps can I take in order to go down this career path?
You do not need to be a licensed surveyor to capture LiDAR at all. You can do the data collection for a surveyor but they will need to check it and approve it before it can be used for that line of work.
Great video! So much knowledge shared.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice video Dylan. I've been researching Lidar for some time now and even this exact same setup. So how much of a learning curve was it when you got the M300+Lidar? I've done photogrammetry in the past.
To be 100% honest, it took a few flights and a lot of mistakes (in processing and understanding the more technical parts of the data analysis). Capturing the data is by far the easiest part to be fair though.
Love this video Dylan, thanks for sharing your insights.
Good to know!! Could you make a video on jobs we could get with thermal/LiDAR/P1 camera if we don’t have any certifications/licenses?
You won’t be able to fly this drone without training
@@roblet5047 I have one. I’ve flown it. It flys just like any other drone. I fly full acro drones, those are way harder. This flys like any other GPS drone.
do you need any other certifications outside of the part107
How exactly does an optical system like LiDAR see through the vegetation?
Nice video, what do you think about DJI's L2
Great video!! How about accuracy? Is it better than Photogrammetry? For example; to measure a roof of a building, what is best, The lidar solution or Photogrammetry(highend camera like the P1)?
Your ONLY 20 Years behind !!! LOL From a Surveyor in the Know !!! Great VIDEO
Thanx
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Thanks for watching!
Are you still able to do this if you're in an area where GPS head can't get signal?
Hi, can this be use 4 drones at the same time for scanning?
What college courses do you need for a drone career in Lidar?
Part 107 licence also?.
What are your thoughts on bathymetric lidar? Shallow underwater mapping could be awesome.
There's a channel "adventures with purpose" that searches in water for lost cars and helps solve cold cases. I sent them info on it and they loved it. Being able to find targets faster and have a clearer picture could be big!
Oooo, we actually have a bathymetric sensor but haven't put it to use yet. As for a bathymetric LiDAR sensor, that works a bit more differently than the typical sonar based system that we have (and is also like $250K just for the LiDAR version of that sensor). If I get a chance to play with one I will 10000% make a video about it because that's something I have always wanted to play with!
Great informative video Dylan. Just out of curiosity, the R2A comes with a 24mp Sony camera integrated into the LIDAR package, why not use the photos captured with that rather than fly a separate mission using the P1? Was that for comparative purposes for those using traditional photogrammetry methods to capture survey data?
It was more of a comparison between LiDAR data and Photogrammetry data for surface penetration. The colorized point cloud shown on the LiDAR data was from the 24mp Sony sensor that is on there so theoretically we can process orthos with those without a second flight needed.
John - I can't speak to why Dylan reflies an area with the P1, but I can say why I do. I have a GVI LV70 with a Sony 24 mp Nex camera and a separate P1 payload. The P1 photos are far superior to the Sony. If I want colorized LiDAR I can do it in LiGeo. Yes it increases the collection time, but for my purposes it isn't a significant cost. Also, the P1 can collect data at twice the speed or more than the LV70. GVI recommends a velocity of about 5 m/s and flight heights of 60 m or less. One can fly with a P1 at 120 m at a speed of 13 m/s. The downside of the P1 is the file size. Orthomosaics can be 10 gb or more, so I use GeoExpress to convert them to sid format to use in Civil 3D, ArcMap, or QGIS. I think it comes down to what meets your needs. Also, the GVI LV70, which looks remarkably similar to the Rockrobotics and a few other LiDAR units, there is a slight shift in the orthophoto because the GPS is based on the LiDAR sensor not the camera.
@@cascadestreamsolutions4211 loved this explanation. I haven’t tired combining my ortho data from the P1 with the Rock Robotics LiDAR data yet, I might have to try it out!
How many clients do you usually get per month? or year?
I'd like to see a video of the GNSS setup process.
How are you getting the DATA to NAD83 and NAVD88 data to be used with FEMA elevations an engineer will need? You said you average the RS2 this will not be correct with out PPK the data to a CORS station or use a reference network such as Trimble or Leica to start with. Your description of the project It seems to me you will need to be on the same data as FEMA. to determine the true BFE (Base Flood Elevation). for the buildable areas.
So i'm only using the RS2 for my PPK process, I am using the controls that the survey company sent over to tie all my data to which is what I did in Rock Cloud. I set up my re projection in the same state-plane/ datum in order for the deliverable to line up properly with FEMA's data. I hope that answers that question?
As long as one is collecting data in a systematic way along with collecting base station data or using CORS the data can be reprojected into State Plane, UTM or whatever you want.
Great video. May I suggest you seek out a surveyor to explain some of the details about what this data is. What it’s used for, and how to maintain accuracy.
Yes, working on a video that roughly goes over this in a bit more detail!
Good video explaining the niches of the technology. A word of caution for those wanting to hop on the bandwagon. Be very cognizant of state laws where you are operating. Legally where I do business with Lidar Technology, all controls and deliverables MUST be approved and certified by a Land Surveyor or Engineer to be used! You cannot just go do the scan, set your own control and sell to these companies who want this data. It will be worthless to them or you will be taken to court for Surveying without a license from the state board you are flying in. I have heard horror stories about lots of unlicensed work going on where surveyors are being approached randomly to certify data they didn't collect. Not good for our business!
Hey Matt, great point you brought up here that I forgot to mention in the video. Every state does have its own laws regarding selling and distributing "survey" grade data. I did try and mention that if you are not a surveyor to either work with one or only use this data as a "construction" layout model as you can easily get yourself tied up into some legal trouble if you present that data improperly.
@@DylanGorman I would highly advise to not even present the data as a construction layout model to a general contractor. Once again you will assume high levels of liability risk by doing so. Unless you work with an engineer/surveyor, you cannot provide topographic data. The only good the data does for you is a reality capture asset that can be used to create a digital twin for an artistic type of market place. Now structure inspections on the other hand are a bit of a different animal. There is much more room for growth in those industries for independent pilots. Places like solar panel farms, tower and roof inspections, powerline modeling for local municipalities.
@@airartisan Understand. I am still learning about all the terminology and proper applicable ways to sell it. I appreciate you correcting my understanding of this.
Side note, what is your background? You seem to be very knowledgable in this! Thanks.
@@DylanGorman I am a drone LiDAR technician UAS operator and reality capture specialist employed full time with a surveyor with a background in the surveying trade. I also carry a uas thermography certification from the infrared training center. My expertise lies within LiDAR and photogrammetry mapping.
@@airartisan I apprecaite the response and appreciate the corrections on your end!
Would love a video on how you got this job? Did you have to get on a vendors list and make a bid? Or have some other kind of method, thanks!
Personal contact I had, knew I did drone work and I introduced them to LiDAR!
do u havbe to buy the software or is included in the price? or there is a way to use a open source software to buy it cheaper option?
There is one software you need to buy but if you own other lidar sensors you can add it into the rock cloud.
Is there a good entry level drone with lidar?
Do you or your company offer LIDAR training?
I've been a fan for the longest I wanted see if you have a program of how to use pix4D mapper i'm trying to start drone mapping since the longest with my mavic 3 classic!
I am currently rebuilding my online course that will go in-depth with pix4d mapper/matic. Just as a heads up, pix4d mapper will no longer receive new updates, just bug fixes. Pix4d matic will be where all the new updates come to.
@@DylanGorman when do you think you'll drop the video pix4D?
Good video. I am a surveyor. I hope you are working with or having a surveyor review your work.
Thank You
I am as mentioned in the video. Only time I don't work with a surveyor is if client only wants reference data.
Wow. I majored in Geography and been doing GIS. I really want to dive into this and start a business.
Amazing video, bro! Can u answer what is the error of determining the height on the ground in the forest/field with the lidar?
I’ve been able to produce data sets as close as .01 USft of accuracy. It’s pretty amazing. I’ve got a project where I’m mapping 600 acres and I’ll be making a full video on that as well as showing the final accuracies and deliverables that I’m able to produce.
@@DylanGorman 0.01USft = 0.3*0.01 = 3 millimeters?) it is unbelievable! Anyway wait for the video with final accuracy. Maybe u can test in the field with classic rtk gps receiver/tacheometer? I mean take some points in the forest for control.
@@smashing_times I'll see what I can do!
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Are there any certifications you need to get into LiDAR?
No necessarily, but having a decent fundamental understanding of basics in GIS and a few other technical applications can help a lot for LiDAR
@@DylanGorman Thank you for the reply and will keep that in mind. Your videos are very informative. Wish you continued success.
@@jman2112 Thank you!
I know it's kind of an older video, but can you do a video where you go really in depth on the differences between some various methods of doing Photogrammetry vs LiDAR, compare results, and how we can get as close to LiDAR using Photogrammetry as possible, which drones would be best for that, etc. I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions! :) (also, sorry if you already did this video, I'm watching as many as I can but haven't seen one of those yet lol)
This is a great suggestion. I can work on this in the coming months as I have a few other videos I’m currently working on.
@@DylanGorman fwiw, I have the Mini 2 SE, I don't think Drone Deploy works for it yet, maybe never? I plan on getting the Mini 3 Pro after a few more jobs 😅😅😅
I have five years of professional drone experience and this is the field that I want to work in but I have no idea how to do it.
Check some of my other videos, I have some tips on how to get into the industry as well as how to sell drone services.
Ive offered LiDAR consulting, sales, service and training for years. To be successful in sUAS LiDAR, you must have substantial contacts in the respective industries that have a need for it.
I focus primarily in surveying, construction and civil engineering and I have customers that bill well over $1,000,000 a year (small, ‘mom and pop’ customers at that); i agree 100% with what Doug is saying….the data is like gold to a lot of companies. However, you must have the contacts to make it work.
For a good, mid range sUAS solution you’re going to be in the 100k range. Add another 15 to 25k for equipment to shoot ground shots and a computer that can process it (your off the shelf Best Buy computer will not handle these datasets).
Good luck!
@@RustySshackleford well said Mike!
How do you find work in this industry?
U should try propellers aeropoints. It will make your life way easier.
Basically they are gcp with integrated gps. U just place them switch'em on do ur survey. When finishes the survey ur gcps will have known position.
Give that a try I promise they are worth it
Ive looked at them but haven't heard the best reviews about them. Do you have hands on experience with them? If so Id love to hear your process!
Great info! Where do we get training?
As per usual, thank you Dylan! What are the differences or drawback from using an M30 instead? It sounds like the M30 is a third of the price or the 300 with payload.
M30 does not have detachable cameras at all. You cannot use the R2A system with the M30 as it does not have a skyport adapter.
Richard, this is exactly what I was going to say. M30 is built more for search and rescue where M300 RTK is built for pilots like us that want to run all kinds of sensors (with the ease of use being DJI platform).
Do I need a licensed surveyor to sign off on the deliverables if I myself am not a licensed surveyor?
Depends on the deliverables you are promising to send. I would never say its a survey grade deliverable since you aren't a surveyor. I would learn towards a highly accurate model rather than survey model.
Check the state regulations you want to provide data in. In CA and OR, licensed civil engineers and surveyors can collect topographic data and sell it. I'm not sure how many licensed surveyors or engineers are going to accept responsibility for the data someone else collects without a rigorous QA/QC effort.
Not many licensed surveyors would take responsibility. I can see some of the contours are being "pulled" due to lack of proper grade breaks. In TX topographic data is not regulated by the state board so engineers use this type of data since they place a disclaimer to match to existing grade on their construction plans.
What do w eneed at least 50 k to do this?
Ok, but is this company that you upload to harvesting and profiting off your hard earned lidar data? All that field work??
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50K is a strong barrier to entry...enjoy being able to do that! $$$$$$$
$50K is fairly cheap compared to the millions of $$$ that people used to spend to get access to this technology. It is still a lot of money for most people but again technology is evolving so fast that soon this tech will only cost about $20K-$30K
@@DylanGorman I'm going to try and get started with just photogrammetry first. I am thinking I'll try to use some open source/free/trial versions of mapping and mission softwares to kind of, build a portfolio site basically showcasing what I can offer and then try and go from there. I'm super happy I found this channel, you've been very informative.
Nice Video.
How much you mąkę per year ? Hello from Poland :-)
can i fiond maya ruins with this lidar?
I think multiple sensors can help with it but thats hard to say yes to as its such a general question.
@@DylanGorman OK THANKS FOR ANSWERING
So I need a 40k camera to do aerial data mapping though? I'm very ready to invest my life into this industry, lol. I just am learning more and more every day. I do not want to do anything with my degree but create my own aerial surveying business.
I am planning on moving to Tampa for a job within logistics but would much rather be doing this
So it’s a bit more than just buying the equipment and jumping straight into the industry. It’s taken me years to get to this point.
@@DylanGorman ya I understand
David- the advantage of LiDAR is vegetation penetration. If you don’t have a need for this type of solution, a high end photogrammetry solution will beat LiDAR every day of the week in terms of vertical accuracy.
Nice vid - even as a hobbyist and a drone nerd i appreciate the explaination - not my industry but very cool. And oh - Let your aussie brother Daniel Ricardo know i said hi :) haha
Thank you! I was trying to make this video as informative as possible without going over the edge in technical terms.
$50k vs a simple camera on a drone. LiDAR is good, but like u say, it takes gold to purchase it. If you don't mind saying, how much do you charge for a survey, let's say 10 ac track?
Love it!
Thank you!
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Is it allowed to fly the heavy matrice in cities in the US? In the EU this is no opportunity whatsoever.
That is unfortunate. So far in the US we don't have those kinds of restrictions. However there are restrictions in place for how you fly the drone. Now if you fly a drone over 55lbs (25kg) then you need additionally certifications to fly it commercially.
Dylan you have some good videos I like to see more I looking to buy a drone in less a month I like too know if we can get together so I can see a demo.
Hey Ed! I offer a free consultation call as well as my just launched private mentorship program. Let me know if you'd like to chat!
Really wish my dream profession wasn't 10s of thousands out of reach of me. 23. Getting 107 and starting to get leads as I've been flying hobbiest for 2 years now. Fpv and cini
14:17 I'd love to know the payoff on this
For the Job or the Drone?
I think I meant the job. For example, say you need to survey 100 acres of undeveloped land for a company putting in a shopping district there. What I understand, is that what you can do for them is fly your LiDAR drone above the land and create a highly accurate 3D interactive model of the land and it’s features that you could send them over in a file that they could run in a program? How much might a large company pay for this? I’d assume you aren’t charging hourly and you can price estimate a job?
All together that’s like a $80k+ setup no?
okay so....where is the metaverse? not like location, i mean what content is there for it? it literally seems like a ponzi scheme by Meta to just pump hot air into their stock. like, if I want to go in the metaverse right now....what do I do? what content is out for it?
So metaverse can be as simple as a virtual tour (like matterport) or as complex as fully virtual worlds that people are selling virtual things on (like NFT's). There is no one definition for the metaverse other than its basically everything that is virtualized from the physical world. That is a very simple way of explaining it!
@@DylanGorman ohhh interesting. yes so I did some searching and it seems I was confused because of how Meta (previously Facebook) seemed to market it as THEIR technology. this makes more sense now. Thanks!
Sorry man , you are misrepresenting Lidar . It is expensive in comparison to Photogrammetry which is in fact as if not more accurate than Lidar. Vegetation, Lidar does not see thru"vegetation , if you stand in a forest and and see light ,lidar can measure it. Bear in mind it is not ground level , there is forest detritus above ground level. So yes very useful for planning, or research such as flood planning.
I disagree. I have some data sets that show my statement off pretty well to the point where even surveyors were surprised at how well LiDAR penetrated through heavily vegetated areas.
@@DylanGorman I have been a Surveyor and Photogrammetrist for over 50 years. I use all the latest technology. Fact is the contours are interpolated between observed points where light is SEEN thru the canopy. I have datasets that show clearly canopy has not been removed. But as a Surveyor I understand that it is not always Ground level , but on top of fallen and accumulated branches leaves etc. So I did not decry lidar, but the tool should be used with understanding.
I hear you. Overall this video was to show a basic overview of LiDAR and some use-cases. I know theres a lot more to it but its impossible to cover everything in a 15 min video. LiDAR is a fantasist tool though when it comes to looking at vast amounts of terrain (even heavily vegetated ones), but again it depends on how it's being applied and interpreted just like you said. I do believe that LiDAR has come a long way in terms of its tech and accuracy. Its just another tool at the end of the day.
@@DylanGorman agreed
@@hudsonchalmers6504 Hi Hudson! Is Lidar the same technique as in laserscanners(Leica, Faro...)?
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Your videos absolutely kill my eyes. Whats up with reds bumped up to the max. Very informative though, thank you
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Please dont tell people it DOES penetrate Vegetation
I really wish you would stop defining photogrammetry so generically. You clearly have no idea of the capabilities/performance of high end professional aerial photogrammetry, and repeatedly class photogrammetry only from the consumer "point and squirt" entry point, which has become popular due to consumer drones and entry level software packages that do little more than render the image over a poor TIN/DEM. Good videos Dylan and again, I congratulate you for doing what you do and love your passion for it... but please, understand there is a vast range in photogrammetry and I've personally used all of it from state-of-the-art (in all it's steps, from the 80's to now) in aerial, satellite, terrestrial, stereo, analytical to digital all the way to multi image, measuring F1 race cars and space craft to tens of microns... MICRONS! Rant over... keep up the good work!
I do have a vast knowledge in photogrammetry as well. This video was aiming to show off the now more accessible forms of data capture with LiDAR as well as how simple I can be. Photogrammetry still has its place and we still do a lot of mapping for it.
Measuring to 0.0001 with photogrammetry? I want to hear more please.
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how exactly are you able to afford a 50 thousand dollar lidar and a 30,000 dollar drone..
Clients pay for this service This guy I work for willing to pay 20,000.00 -30,000.00 to do LiDAR. Real s**t
Curious, do you find your Army Corps of Engineers work on sam.gov? There have been a few of them on there recently and one right now in the Jacksonville District.
This one was through a personal relationship that I have with the developer. The Army Corps of Engineers were already involved on this project. I just happen to have LiDAR capabilities in the area to be able to provide the data that they were looking for!
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Dylan, Have you seen that many commenters on this video (including me) have gotten a message from "Dylan Gorman" informing them they just won 2 DJI Mini Pro 3s? The message says to send them a DM on Telegram (a messaging service that it seems all of Russia is using these days). I did so. I got an immediate response asking me for my complete name, email address, mailing address, and cell phone number.