Exactly! This goes for everyone. If a person is disrupting your peace, they don't belong in your life. If someone only has drama and stress to bring into your life, set boundaries. If they get mad, too bad.
What men want is women to remove/lighten the financial burden from them while maintaining the subservient role in the relationship. Nah player u dont get to do half the work and take all the credit.
Girl I was reading a similar observation to urs on Bougie concerning the Turkey Leg Hut couple. These mfs(especially some of the older ones) r doing the same and the young dumb bucks r listening to their mostly aged out asses!!! Half the time they don't do half the work! I'm divorcing the rock head king baby I'm attached to , I am at peace and working on me!!!!
men with money wont marry yall they will have the pick of the litter yall females still think yall are gonna get theses men with money still living in a fantasy.
ALLOWING? So you think there's a marriage police department, then? No one is ALLOWING these men to marry. Women are choosing to marry them instead of marrying better financial prospects... thereby causing their own financial hardships. If you find a man who's tall and handsome and desirable to every other woman on the block, then you can expect him to act like exactly that and he'll treat you accordingly.
@melissachartres3219 I could be wrong, but I think they meant western standards are too lax. For too long, EVERYONE was expected to marry for religious reasons. Thus, the poor men were expected to marry as well and this should have been discouraged. A poor man couldn't support a family but was still expected to have a wife and children and rule over them.
@@BridaUlv Interesting to consider. Thanks for the reply. I would suspect that once a woman is ready to reproduce... she's going to do it. I've seen too many examples of it. They don't consider the consequences and prepare themselves in advance, and attempt to put themselves in the best possible situation ahead of time. They simply do what they want to- and there is no shortage of men who are willing to assist with that. This is why marriage is encouraged in all realms... so as to confer some sort of infrastructure to society- because what's going to happen IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.
That man wants a rich submissive woman that he can boss around and tell her what to do with her money. I meant his money, since she submissive and Rich and belongs to him...🙄
I was married in my 20s. After living with my ex husband for a few months, I knew I would have been a single married woman too. Women need to to start using our natural intuition to foresee these outcomes. Signs are always there in the beginning even if we're refusing to look. A part of me thought, he would change if we had kids. He was really pushing the idea too because we were married. I was doing most of the domestic work at this point and working full time while he couldn't keep a job. He did cook every night...also because he needed to eat so it felt like he just made extra for me. I would have been miserable if I had kids...I have made very stupid choices in my life but having children was something that terrified me. I'm glad to be child free. I'm in my 40s.
👏👏👏 I and almost the same happen. I went into a marriage very young with a child as a single mom. My husband accepted my son as his own (he was only a year old at the time) and wanted to have another child and I told him I wanted to wait. I was only 21 at the time. Once we got married, he became lazy (used to be attentive when he was trying to win me over); he was emotionally abusive, he cheated, he would go out often on weekends without me, he did help with the cleaning bc his mom had made him clean from an early age and he was good to my son, so I thank him for that…but I did all the cooking, I handled all the bills, I stayed home with my son, etc etc. I ended up getting pregnant, even though I was taking care of myself. I never told him. My grandmother…GRANDMOTHER (a catholic, Mexican woman) took me to the clinic to terminate the pregnancy. She knew, I would be stuck and I’d be locking myself down to this guy. We were living with her at the time, and she had observed the relationship first-hand. I knew it too and the marriage was not headed in the right direction. I didn’t make that decision lightly, but I’ll say it now, it was the best decision I’ve ever made. We ended up getting divorced, he completely lost all interest in my son (which, okay, he wasn’t his kid but he’d known him for 6 years), he ended up going to jail for drugs a few years later… just a mess. I went back to school, got my college degree, never remarried, raised my kid, ended up working my way up to a VP of a company and reached a solid level of financial security by age 30. 🤷🏻♀️ Go with your guts ladies!!
This is literally my life. I didn't get married though but always got into this relationships where they're quick to treat me like a wife by calling me "my woman" then expect me to do wifely duties. So it became simple for me. I will only get married when I meet a man who understands partnership and have respect and appreciation for everything I bring into the relationship - including my labour. In my 40's now - stoll haven't met him.
Plz I hope you leave him… my love cooks, cleans, does all laundry, fixes the car, pays for dates, and pays more bills than me…simply because he’s always had the mindset that he should be taking care of himself no matter what. And he’s only 26… There are men out their that pride themselves on having a lot of responsibilities!
kind of what yall females today dont understand is that women have always worked {AWLAYS WORKED] so this traditional women stuff of not working is a lie created by TV.
I was in a relationship where my ex wanted me to be more ‘traditional’ the second he made a dollar more than me annually, sometimes even without that bread and I’ll keep it buck with y’all. I will never help a man cosplay provider. Especially when he doesn’t have the mentality, character and especially not the bread to do so. Imagine a man telling you he ‘the authority in this household’ just before y’all get groceries and then asks you if you can spot him because his paycheck is tomorrow. Imagine a man yelling at you ‘what do you do for me in this relationship’ only to later need to use your card to book a reservation to visit family for the holidays. Imagine a man telling peers ‘oh I can leave her ANYTIME, she’d be screwed without me’ and then when you break up his snot-nose is crying about ‘where am I going to live you know I can’t afford an apartment on my own😭😭’. That shit is the FUNNIEST audacity I’ve witnessed in hindsight. I lost respect and care for him overtime not only because of that, but because he wasn’t fully appreciative of me stepping up and it was clear that was never going to change. I’d even go so far as to say he probably never loved me, but the benefits of being with a financially independent woman. To me, a lot of men that want a traditional relationship but want to shirk the responsibility of provisions just want power. Power OVER women and in ways that are a significant detriment. Power they can’t get otherwise because they don’t make the means to actually invoke a traditional relationship.
Girl, you said it! I’m single now for that reason! We have to realize the men willing and able to properly provide is virtually non existent. I’m living my life and not expecting anything from these sorry lil broke males who are ENTITLED for no reason!
Love the cosplaying provider! So funny! Yet to me these traditional males are like victorian upper class males they were forced under many penalties not just soical scorn do curate the facade of providing for his wife. I say facade cuz society used visual ques to establish was she well taken care off she could be a skeleton under her clothing yet if she didn't look it in the face her fainting was seen as she was sexually frustrated and needed a doctor not any other care or concern. She needed to look groomed, finely dressed, be provided with great food before company even if she could only a thumb size portion due to her corset crushing her organs since age 9, ect. Her crimes were literally his crimes and the crimes of their children would in a minor way extend to her but majority extend to him. He could go to jail or pay fines for his wife's crimes not her. When they divorced he'd have the kids not question and she'd be destitute nearly without fail unless her family saw use to place her with someone else. He needed to have & keep money and resources always and for years before he was deemed soically ready for marriage if he failed over the trial years he was seen as an unfit match no prominate family would sell their daughter to him he was ill fitting. Modern males do not have a single victorian rule yet they want to pretend it's the same system they want to apply manors, roles, and rights that weren't ever made for them and honestly its not even the same system their broke men and broke victorian men had far different rules them providing wasn't required yet the woman worked & her money was her money she decided if she dated or married not him. We don't really have the pauper's guide to house and home in victorian times like we have for the rich woman.
My ex never gifted me anything throughout the relationship even on my birthday so I thank God that I was strong enough to let him go after my second attempt to end the relationship. I didn't even cry once, I sold my cheap engagement ring a few days ago and used the money to eat out. I am levelling up my life now to become the type of woman a man will provide for: 1) Seeing a dermatologist 2) started therapy 3) praying and fasting 4) going to school to open more job opportunities for myself 5) Networking 6) househunting so I can live in beautiful, tranquil homes.
That is true. Good men with money don’t go 50/50. I had a rich friend. He said he doesn’t care how much a girl makes because he makes good money. He ended up finding a nice girl. She is a stay at home mom now. He takes care of all the finances and is an active father. He had this job that made him work long hours. But he quit and found another one that allowed him to spend more time with his family. Nice guy and wish him the best with his family.
That’s what you do when you’re truly invested and love your family. I stopped accepting workaholic men. They would be someone of the most stingy too. Just another flavor of male selfishness.
Yes that’s ideal but if you want the man to be the provider for most people you have to accept them working longer hours. I would love to be around my kids more (when I have them) but for my wife to stay home it means I have to work more. Can’t really expect a man to be a provider but then complain about his hours if he’s working to allow a SAHM lifestyle
It's funny, they think we have to deal with them to eat a meal. Ladies, how much have you spent on brunch or vacations with your girl friends? 😂 If some of these males saw our tabs... Ain't hardly nobody dealing with males for a meal! 😂
Exactly! Going out to dine at restaurant by myself or with girlfriends is so enjoyable. Because we just order whatever we want. We see the value in paying for quality time.
Pretty much the way some of them describe it yeah it sounds crazy too like they have some kind of weird fetish for dominating women it's actually not as healthy as they think it is either if the husband makes all the decisions in the relationship because some of them don't know how to lead anyone they just want to feel powerful it's delusional thinking on there part because if you have great power like that people still have to hold you more accountable for your actions if you screw up they shouldn't get so many passes for this kind of terrible behavior that there trying to normalize either delusional and hypocritical people have no place in powerful positions because they can cause anarchy, a rise in crime, inflation and wars. This can go both ways too that's why there always trying to silence feminists because some of us have the education to put them all in check there and make them understand that they still wouldn't be alive without her you need her help to be born so for that reason your both equal you both have your own unique talents but that shouldn't give you special passes for being different that's not logical they both should have to follow the same set of laws in society in order to keep it balanced.
A slave with a paycheck because they are unambitious and don't want to do more than the bare minimum at work as well as at home. Or a one woman put it "a submissive leader". They want the woman to do all work and take their lives and household in the direction it should go and then turn around and submit to them. It's the whole life version of those dumbass women who hand their boyfriends their debit card underneath the table so he can act like he is paying. They now expect that in every aspect of life.
IMO we women were conditioned to handle this mess.. During slavery, ABW took care of 2 homes.. After slavery, we took care of two homes.. Now that were able to financially able to take care of ourselves, we're not going back to the struggle. If these BM wants a traditional wife, ok! Make sure you provide a lifestyle like your white counterpart did for his women.. and yes they had nannies and maids.. if not, no deal 😂
The dummies want us to PRETEND they are alpha males when they are not. Not doing it. They want to be treated like kings with no work. You gotta pay the cost to be the boss.
I am a white male who has made well into the six figure range for over 30 years now and I know quite a few white males who make six figures. None of us provided a nanny or maid. I pay all the bills, provide the food, buy the clothes, shoes, cell phone, insurance both medical and automotive, vacations, holidays and all that. If a woman is so lazy that she can't cool, clean and take care of the kids she wants. By all means get out, work your job and then go home to do all the cooking and cleaning anyways. On top of that do your own car maintenance and yard work.
@@robchurch881Take the compliment and Stfu. 😂 The last little bit about the nanny was just comic relief. The point is that a community of men can barely stay employed and are barely educated or trained - yet want to blame you, the white man , for those failings or blame black women for their failings. They then want to name call because the women of their group said yes there is oppression and racism, but we are going to work to overcome those obstacles. They want the rules of your world to apply to them but do not want to work and provide to keep that family structure in place. They also want to call women masculine when they work but also call them gold diggers and pathetic when they decide to depend upon them in the traditional manner. You are being purposely obtuse and ignored the big picture.
@@robchurch881Good for you providing for your household. Other men do what you do plus a nanny or house-help. Everyone mileage will vary. As for lawn care, automotive care, etc, those can be outsourced. Many men outsource those things already.
They want the 50’s without the negative side-effects. You want a traditional woman, you must provide, but if you don’t want to provide, she can’t be traditional. 😂
Thats not eaven traditional Its just the 1950 houseslave A trad woman is international and comes milenia Can cook clean make clothes, gut animals take care of a field house and animals, self defend chop woood repair house Also a trad woman doesent wear makeup, and has whatever hair long or short And she wears comfortable weather apropriate work clothes /traditional culture clothes Male fantasy vs actual trad woman 🤡 mfs like to spew bs or steal words and put on bs definitions
traditional does not mean the women doesn't work and is a house wife that's not true. that house wife crap is a fantasy TV show women have always worked, that's the traditional women she also provided and did work in the house.
@@kevben706 ik I'm referring to the ones that go with the traditional gender roles as in the wife being the stay-at-home mom and the dad being the provider, but not willing to do the providing part.
They want a traditional 50/50 woman, they want both worlds. They want her to work but then turn that independence off when it starts effecting their ego but turn on when they don't want to pay for everything.
Yeah I gotta agree there especially if there’s kids. If there’s no kids there’s not really a reason for both people not to work but if there’s kids the man needs to pick up extra hours
The man that wants a traditional wife needs to be sure….he can provide for at least 4 people so he can afford for kids too. Women are expensive starting for skincare, so stay single and stop taking advantage of girlfriend!
Men these days NEED women to pay bills now! Lol. Traditional values be damned. My bf does more than enough for me he cooks, cleans, works, does ALL laundry, the handyman, pays for dates, pays more bills, etc. AND YET he STILL NEEDS me and has told me that. I’m happy to have him nonetheless but yea… that traditional relationship is a pipe dream for most men. They simply can’t afford it.
The men who can afford it (and aren't already taken) are generally not tall enough or handsome enough to attract a woman's attention. Women are easily satisfied with the very best of everything.
@@js43168 Wait wait wait... I've heard multiple times about Pookie and Ray-Ray. I've heard this from many sources, too.... not just one. So with that said: If Pookie is an option, then why isn't Ray-Ray?
@@melissachartres3219 if that was the case then majority of men would be single, they don't meet half of it. Never understood mens complaints. Like do you go outside ? Look at couples? Look at the men in marrages?
They want traditional women who can also contribute 50% to the finances whilst they sit on their crusty asses. We’re superwoman but even that’s impossible
A gen Xer here who was told in the 70's that I would need a degree to fall back on, which became a different narrative in the 80's when I was told I could never rely on a man to take care of me. I have multiple degrees and support myself. When I was married my ex wanted it all and didn't lift a finger to help me. Now I have decided to stay alone because I am not willing to be taken advantage of. And the 50/50 never works out. The women often still feels taken advantage of. Ladies always make a paycheck so you have control over your own life. Otherwise, women are often treated poorly.
I am so pleased to see a substantial movement of women moving towards decentralizing men in their lives. This is becoming less and less of a fringe concept. My sisters, I am an old school lesbian, and a feminist, and I have had the ability to remove male supremacy from my personal life for a few decades now (my work life not as much). It is freeing, so freeing. It is a real gift to see heterosexual women taking a step back from their socially constructed 'roles' and asking a big huge questions around "but why?". Men are adapting. The ones that refuse to adapt and work on themselves will be left behind. Oh well. For some reason the epidemic of 'male loneliness' and other male issues around physical and mental health are somehow women's responsibilities. We apparently cause the problems and we apparently must fix them too. I look forward to the day when men finally stop expecting women to take care of them and make them happy. Feminism has been a long history of women coming together and helping each other out in tangible ways, not just complaining on the internet or wherever. We created networks of support, non-profits to help women leave abusive relationships, get some education, get work, get homes, help with child rearing, legal protections and equality legislation and whatnot. Women didn't wait around complaining expecting men to fix the problems of women for us. Every time I have asked a man from the 'manosphere' going on about how feminism is just women supremacy and that women ought be doing the same for men as we do for other women. When I ask them in what tangible ways are they lifting other men up and addressing these social inequities they see, like men's health issues around depression, addiction and suicide, not one has been able to name one thing. An excellent example of this is women's and children's shelters for domestic violence and men complain these places do not exist for men. They aren't wrong. When I ask though why don't they get organized and open a men's shelter for domestic violence, they soon come to reveal they don't want to work towards that, they don't really want the shelters for men...they just don't want women to have access to these services so they have no way to escape.
Thank you! Thank you lesbian feminists for everything! We don't get appreciated much even in our feminists society. As a young radfem lesbian who's opening for herself Andrea's theories and starting to see reality as it is i know. Women should listen radfem lesbians, bc we are the ones who are decentered men first and we don't need them, we're not attracted to them so we're not romanticizing them, we can see men who they really are.
I haven't met a man who can maintain me at the standard I have created for myself. I travel within the States and internationally every two years. And general personal maintenance not including financial obligations
Got to say, same std girl, plus fact I don't often find guy that I WANT to try to fill that role for yrs. Emotional labor feels like it's always 80/20 at the lady's disadvantage, and that is the most draining for me.
@@melissachartres3219 well one is pretty mean so I don't really enjoy her. But other one is joy. He cuddles and he is leash and voice command trained. I also enjoy my dogs. Thank you for the well wishes. I hope you have something you enjoy too
You should'nt have been listening from the get go, their abusive under earning dudes, that'll date the same woman they speak against if they had money.
They are confused and I personally feel. If they felt the female was worthy of the money they were spending on them , they wouldn't have a problem. But those females we know they can't afford. It's when they date females that they don't find worthy of their money And they don't really like. That the complaining comes in.
Homegirl at the end was screaming, but she doesn't need to do all that. Her, and the rest of women, need to understand that men wont dismantle patriarchy. They made it to benefit them in the first place, and it does. The fact that some men cant benefit from it, doesnt mean they hate it. They complain because they cant figure out how to con the system to screw women over without having to become CEO.
“I want you to make a lot of money, but less money than me, give me the money you make, you don’t have any access to it, you do all the housework, support every idea I come up with no matter how financially unsafe or illogical it sounds, make me babies, raise them by yourself somewhere I don’t have to hear them or interact with them, make me look good in public, don’t look for me to spend time with you especially doing something you or your friends are interested in doing, don’t tell people our relationship arrangements or happenings, give me sex, be faithful, but don’t complain about if I sleep with other women, don’t ask me for anything you or the kids need or want, do everything I tell you to do without question or debate, get out of my house immediately if I get tired of you, of course take the kids with you, make me look good when you talk with them about me, and take me back if I decide to re-start our relationship… but pretend nothing bad ever happened between us☺️.” - Him
Traditionally marriage was about survival. Now that it's not really necessary, it's starting to become more about actually liking and being compatible with each other and many women are finding that this type of partner is pretty rare. More women are working outside the home and making their own money, so they don't need to be tied to a man for survival, marriage is becoming a choice and not just something that people do because it's expected.
As a traditional African SAHM who's a landlord for my own coin. My man was up at 2 am with me helping me with the baby. He changes diapers, cooks, makes me tea, does the laundry and he works full time. He identifies as a traditional man too
Here's what I look for in a leader: Non-anxious presence. Education (experience can be an education - life experience and work experience). Situational awareness. Creative thinking. Willingness to do the work the leader expects and wants me to do. Oh, and I married a partner. Not a boss. Not a leader. And certainly not a "king." Men who pantomine monarchy have no idea what a real life king has to do or be capable of. "King" dudes want to surround themselves with servants.
I am one of the women who doesn’t want to be in a trad relationship. Yes I am feminine, caring, loving and I enjoy cooking and knitting. But I also put my dream of being a scientist first, before relationships and I insist on being the sole or a dual provider and a fair split of housework depending on roles. I will never be a housewife and I expect any man I date to accept that. Period
Oh I was screaming yes as the 2nd guy was speaking! My main argument is that too many men complain about women not taking accountability while simultaneously blaming them for all their ills and problems in society that women need to fix ON TOP OF being self sufficient and taking ownership of household while maintaining our attractiveness and conservatism for them. It leaves me wondering about how are they leaders? What are they actually bringing to the table? If all they are doing is taking AND calling great guys simps then for those men, what purpose do they serve in a relationship?
Facts!! They're not they just want the credit for everything. I feel like they hate us for being able to decide if we want to deal with them. Deep down they know that we're more superior so they act like the little boy on the playground and push us down in front of everyone. They haven't grown up/evolve yet.
Don't you know that the penis is "The Crown Jewel"? Of course you should do all of that to be worthy of it! "The Crown Jewel" drips with "Pearls of divinity" that you need to create babies with his permission. No slavery, no "Pearls Of Divinity" for baby making. Nevermind the fact that the precious pearls are often wasted and thrown away everytime he "polishes The Crown Jewel". 😂
The second dude at least is consistent. He may not be opposed to patriarchy, as he himself put it, but at least he seems like he wants men to hold up their end of the bargain. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do it, but at least a man like that is CONSISTENT.
There IS NOT a man alive today that DESERVES a traditional wife. Especially not a beautiful traditional wife, especially not a beautiful rich trad wife. If the man watches porn, NOPE! Not worthy. If the man has slept around/had sex outside marriage, NOPE! Not worthy. If he’s been a bum, plays video games for hours, doesn’t have a well paying stable career, doesn’t do domestic housework, doesn’t know how to fix a car, doesn’t understand what true leadership means and does, doesn’t know how to fix the stuff of the house, NOPE! Not worthy! A traditional wife deserves all of that, plus more. There is hardly a man who is alive today that deserves one. There are some, but they are taken, and they are HAPPY. They are happy because they deserve a traditional wife, not because they got one. Why? Because a man deserving of a traditional wife keeps his wife happy. She doesn’t leave him. She adores him. A man might acquire a traditional wife, but if he is not deserving of her, he will lose her- either her heart and then eventually through divorce. A man worthy of a traditional wife actually LOVES his wife and she knows it.
Lol I'll never forget the wife that was feeling some type of way because as soon as her husband started making more money than her he started acting like he paid everything for her. She went behind his back and applied for jobs with a higher salary than him and got it. He was HOT!😂😂😂 Like wtf do they want?????
Pricilla, I love your compilations and points of view. I'm Icelandic and as white as people come and I love to learn about perspectives from women around the world. It is disheartening to see that we are dealing with a lot of the same issues, but in a weird way it also makes me feel closer to my sisters around the world. Keep up the good work! All the best from your friend in Reykjavík.
It's ALL men. They all have the capability to be toxic. Traditional roles is what they claim they want, but the majority of them can't afford that lifestyle. We women need to reall6 step up our alliance and put these men in their place ... globally!!!
traditional does not mean the women doesn't work and is a house wife that's not true. that house wife crap is a fantasy TV show women have always worked, that's the traditional women she also provided and did work in the house.
@@sugarzblossom8168 It seems they want women to be impressed by their money but not actually use it. Like a peacock's feathers. It's all about showing off. They just don't realize that being showy like that isn't impressive if you do have your own money.
Completely off topic, but as a non-native English speaker, I finally understand the 'have the cake and eat it too' proverb! It's the wrong way around! Thank you so much 🥰
Omg same!!! I was just thinking of it the whole time! I heard it first time years ago, understood the applicability of it, but never got curious enough to actually look for how it means what it means. It's because of her way of saying it I finally realised it.
Yeah, but at any time the traditional woman gets abused or gets tired of getting treated like a door mat. Then, she’s a gold digger. To me, it’s better to be in a 50/50 partnership where everything is split and chores are shared equally or just be single.
I am single. There is always discussion about the chores. For me it is too exhausting. I can't stand that private battlefield. The world outside is crazy enough. 😄
As a man that stepped out his comfort zone to be a life coach for men at the side, I have found that a lot of the dudes that claim that women are difficult or complicated are usually just projecting their own messiness onto an idea of women. Given the conversations I have had with young men struggling to improve their lives when you try to give them advice, especially when it comes to dating and marriage, men are pretty complicated and confusing too, but I think this is a human trait rather than a "woman" or "man" thing.
Its too expensive to date and too keep a woman kept with her hair care, skin care, and nails too look feminine- I do my own nails 💅🏾 which saves me $20 now you add in children and dinner / events
@@77kc_77 they ask you out, then act like they've done you a favor so you owe them your body. FOH. I can pay for my own 50-100$ meal homeboy move around. Cause they don't eat what I like. Anyway
Ladies aren't SETTLING at all. The average man who can financially afford to take good care of a woman (and isn't already taken) generally isn't tall enough or handsome enough to attract a decent woman. Women are easily satisfied with the very best of everything.
Well, if a Woman is “broke”, _why_ would she date a financially *un* stable male?? You need opposite charges, boo. Same won’t work. And I’m glad bro in the glasses called it out, b/c that fool look like he carrying a tank _full_ o’ sugar.😒😒😒
Such great points. I love this channel and that there are women smart and courageous enough to talk about what’s happening. Love that some men are also speaking out about it too. Totally agree - do what makes you happy and feel safe, and then find a man (maybe) who fits with that. But as women, please don’t change your lives around and stop college or building your career, just to find a man, especially one who wants you to go 50/50 and do all the cooking and cleaning - please don’t do that to yourself as he will also be entitled and emotionally (potentially physically) abuIve and probably a gaslighter
The liberal arts major women ate that response up😂❤ I miss school fr fr now! I'm also convinced that many men want other men and refuse to be straight forward. There isn't enough disagreeing in the world. Yes sirs!!!!
I admire you Priscilla, you are so entirely accurate and sensible and perceptive. Also skilled with the snippets and editing. I am in a terrible conundrum. I’m encouraging my wonderful daughter-in-law to leave my wastrel of a son ( heart-breaking for me as you can imagine). Fortunately, the children are just about grown. I will support them all best as I can, but I will not support any man, even my only son, to abuse, disrespect and harm his partner. Kids don’t always turn out the way you brought them up.
Traditionally people worked, men and women. Traditionally people were agricultural or had home-based business. Traditionally parents parented their kids together.
I appreciate these channels - where women are speaking up about societal inequalities and the state of hetero relationships. I wish these women would also discuss the basics of human survival. Feelings aside, these males are murdering and assaulting EVERYONE. And we women just ignore it. Why? Crime (and our survival) is also the major contributing factor to the aforementioned societal/relationship issues we’re discussing. Why don’t women talk about it? Talk about how scary these guys make life. Talk about how risky engaging them truly is. Please women….Talk about THAT.
@user-ThWallraised by a single mother because the father left. Are you suggesting that single mothers abandon their children since they can't raise good men?
@user-ThWallNo, majority of them were abandoned by their fathers and have no +ve male role models in the con-munity to teach them masculinity values. This talking point is all played out, you effeminate dl dusty.
@@furballrage595 that's what it sounds like to me. We should listen since they were once children and they feel they would've been better off as orphans.
The only men in their 20s I ever knew who had any domestic worth at all were Only Children of single moms. With no sister to misigynisticly fob off cooking and cleaning to, those guys actually stepped up. With no brother to team up with against the adult authority figure, they were left on their own both socially and domestically UNLESS they teamed up with their mom to survive. So my grampa, an ex boyfriend, and a buddy of his, were the only guys I knew who would just get stuff done at home. Cuz growing up, they didn't have the privilege of fobbing stuff off to the girls, and didn't have the opportunity to form a misogynistic male alliance with a brother against the mom.
In my many dates with men, it is amazing to me how many physically recoiled when I told them anything that suggested I was financially stable. "Independent" and "intimidating" were thrown out as backhanded compliments all the time.
I feel so sorry for straight women. I’m so sorry, y’all. You’re welcome to live in my fairy cottage with all the other ladies. We have cookies and True Crime.
Wild... A whole generation of men complaining about their own patriarchy failing them. It's not women's fault that they are failing in a system that was created for them to exceed at women's expense. Also a man that is full of double standards and contradictions makes the worst partner. Choose a struggle and accept it. Because a part of life is struggle.. There is no escaping it. Everyone struggles.. Including women. Duh.
I really don't get this obsession with submission. Even if I were to stay at home and he work. That doesn't mean that I would he submissive. Women do a lot of unpaid labor as stay at home moms. His labour isn't more valuable than mine.
My parents (and family history in general) taught me that it was important for me to have the skills to support myself. I didn't want to end up like two of my great-grandmothers, who were widowed young, and needed their eldest children to sacrifice their dreams to support the family. My granny is still bitter about this subconsciously, more than 80 years after it happened. ETA: for example, my spouse was made redundant after corporate downsizing during the first year of our marriage. If I hadn't worked, we would have been stuffed. My job meant that we were able to stay afloat until the situation improved.
At the end of the day, marriage only benefits a man. Imagine us women, just for a moment if you will… working full time, coming home and not having to do one thing! No cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, washing and ironing our clothes, staying up all night with a upset child, your weekends spent relaxing. Wouldn’t that be a dream😢. As I said, pls give me one example how marriage benefits a woman?
As women, besides of paying 50/50, are still doing the most of the house work like cleaning, raising the kids etc., women are providing most at her cost. That is not a win-win...
Every man i tried to be with i had to work clean the house cook take care of the kids and sport black eyes at work i stayed single for a long time im safe my money covers the bills i got my own home and there will be no man abusing or ruining my life again
I remember long ago I helped out answering questions to foreigners living in Peru (My parents are from there) and one American dude was complaining how he had to pay for everything but his post history was wanting to find a 'traditional woman' and was tired of American women.
Remember ladies: if he’s not lifting you up, he’s definitely DRAGGING YOU DOWN!!!! He will be a liability!!
Exactly! This goes for everyone. If a person is disrupting your peace, they don't belong in your life.
If someone only has drama and stress to bring into your life, set boundaries. If they get mad, too bad.
THANK YOU ..just told a random on Instagram that!!
Now u tell me........
All these men complaining about women need to just date each other. Problem solved.
With how much some of them just don't like women at all, I'm surprised they haven't just done that already 😆
The women who are complaining about men should do the same.
They are… trans women 😂
The women are the men dating each other. And they have the highest divorce rate. Go figure
Exactly 💯
they want to be the provider and cry when they realize what providing means lmao
and someone was mad bc i wouldn’t date him because he was broke. like mf i’m rich, what are you gonna provide to me? your dirty socks?
They can't provide anything but brokenness and drama
@@bunnybeetle1304😂😂🤣🤣
They don’t even wanna be a provider. They just wanna sit at home playing video games all day
@@Diarrheagodright, they don't want to be one, they just want to look like one to other people
What men want is women to remove/lighten the financial burden from them while maintaining the subservient role in the relationship.
Nah player u dont get to do half the work and take all the credit.
Right! Gotta pay the cost to be the boss. They don’t want to do anything but want all the respect. Nope.
Girl I was reading a similar observation to urs on Bougie concerning the Turkey Leg Hut couple. These mfs(especially some of the older ones) r doing the same and the young dumb bucks r listening to their mostly aged out asses!!! Half the time they don't do half the work! I'm divorcing the rock head king baby I'm attached to , I am at peace and working on me!!!!
They are so pathetic 😭
Yet men have been doing that forever it's why we say "behind every great man is a great woman." She's doing half or more of his career for him!
No what they want is to have the upper hand by leaps and bounds over a woman. Both scenarios lead the woman to virtual slavery.
Allowing broke men to marry has been one of the biggest detriments to society. They were convinced they were more valuable than they actually were.
men with money wont marry yall they will have the pick of the litter yall females still think yall are gonna get theses men with money still living in a fantasy.
Facts!
ALLOWING? So you think there's a marriage police department, then? No one is ALLOWING these men to marry. Women are choosing to marry them instead of marrying better financial prospects... thereby causing their own financial hardships. If you find a man who's tall and handsome and desirable to every other woman on the block, then you can expect him to act like exactly that and he'll treat you accordingly.
@melissachartres3219 I could be wrong, but I think they meant western standards are too lax. For too long, EVERYONE was expected to marry for religious reasons. Thus, the poor men were expected to marry as well and this should have been discouraged. A poor man couldn't support a family but was still expected to have a wife and children and rule over them.
@@BridaUlv Interesting to consider. Thanks for the reply. I would suspect that once a woman is ready to reproduce... she's going to do it. I've seen too many examples of it. They don't consider the consequences and prepare themselves in advance, and attempt to put themselves in the best possible situation ahead of time. They simply do what they want to- and there is no shortage of men who are willing to assist with that. This is why marriage is encouraged in all realms... so as to confer some sort of infrastructure to society- because what's going to happen IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.
They want a legal slave, an unpaid escort and a MAMMY. this a MESS
Exactly
They're not men. They're still little boys. And brats, at that.
😂😂😂right!!!!
She wants a daddy replacement, a wallet, and a man to do the woman's duties. Now that's a real mess lmao
@@js43168 plainy you are deaf as well as stupid.
That man wants a rich submissive woman that he can boss around and tell her what to do with her money. I meant his money, since she submissive and Rich and belongs to him...🙄
A submissive provider 🤣
The audacity of some men. You cannot turn a parasite into a husband.
But she wants a rich submissive man doing the feminine role. You can't make this sht up 😂😂😂
It’s because they actually want free reign with unwavering unreciprocated loyalty but no obligations and no responsibility.
And that’s the lazy azz mentality that turns me off instantly
The Donald Trump effect
So…they want to be gods when they are only human.
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@@Morgan313 some could be considered subhuman tbh. The worst man you can imagine, probably still thinks he’s better than you.
I was married in my 20s. After living with my ex husband for a few months, I knew I would have been a single married woman too. Women need to to start using our natural intuition to foresee these outcomes. Signs are always there in the beginning even if we're refusing to look.
A part of me thought, he would change if we had kids. He was really pushing the idea too because we were married. I was doing most of the domestic work at this point and working full time while he couldn't keep a job. He did cook every night...also because he needed to eat so it felt like he just made extra for me. I would have been miserable if I had kids...I have made very stupid choices in my life but having children was something that terrified me. I'm glad to be child free. I'm in my 40s.
👏👏👏 I and almost the same happen. I went into a marriage very young with a child as a single mom. My husband accepted my son as his own (he was only a year old at the time) and wanted to have another child and I told him I wanted to wait. I was only 21 at the time. Once we got married, he became lazy (used to be attentive when he was trying to win me over); he was emotionally abusive, he cheated, he would go out often on weekends without me, he did help with the cleaning bc his mom had made him clean from an early age and he was good to my son, so I thank him for that…but I did all the cooking, I handled all the bills, I stayed home with my son, etc etc. I ended up getting pregnant, even though I was taking care of myself. I never told him. My grandmother…GRANDMOTHER (a catholic, Mexican woman) took me to the clinic to terminate the pregnancy. She knew, I would be stuck and I’d be locking myself down to this guy. We were living with her at the time, and she had observed the relationship first-hand. I knew it too and the marriage was not headed in the right direction. I didn’t make that decision lightly, but I’ll say it now, it was the best decision I’ve ever made. We ended up getting divorced, he completely lost all interest in my son (which, okay, he wasn’t his kid but he’d known him for 6 years), he ended up going to jail for drugs a few years later… just a mess. I went back to school, got my college degree, never remarried, raised my kid, ended up working my way up to a VP of a company and reached a solid level of financial security by age 30. 🤷🏻♀️ Go with your guts ladies!!
@@Becky_Cal what a life! Wow. I'm glad Grandma had your back...she knew. VP! Ok now ...congrats on all of your success!
This is literally my life. I didn't get married though but always got into this relationships where they're quick to treat me like a wife by calling me "my woman" then expect me to do wifely duties. So it became simple for me. I will only get married when I meet a man who understands partnership and have respect and appreciation for everything I bring into the relationship - including my labour. In my 40's now - stoll haven't met him.
Plz I hope you leave him… my love cooks, cleans, does all laundry, fixes the car, pays for dates, and pays more bills than me…simply because he’s always had the mindset that he should be taking care of himself no matter what. And he’s only 26… There are men out their that pride themselves on having a lot of responsibilities!
@@Lifeishard237She’s already already left ?
They are looking for SUBMISSIVE PROVIDERS 🤣
Yeah, I think that oxymoron perfectly sums up their inconsistency 🤭
kind of what yall females today dont understand is that women have always worked {AWLAYS WORKED] so this traditional women stuff of not working is a lie created by TV.
That's it!!!
Needs more likes!!
Who is also a FREE sex worker! 🥴😂😅
That boy is giving sissy, sassy, femme energy. He should never had whined like that with a smooth, face filter. 😂
I love how the guy in the glasses gave him the golden nickname of “zesty bro”. 😂 It’s the perfect nickname for him too.
I had a jump scare. Definitely one of the most unattractive people I’ve seen in my life.
“With a smooth face filter” 😂😂😂😂😂
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I was in a relationship where my ex wanted me to be more ‘traditional’ the second he made a dollar more than me annually, sometimes even without that bread and I’ll keep it buck with y’all.
I will never help a man cosplay provider. Especially when he doesn’t have the mentality, character and especially not the bread to do so.
Imagine a man telling you he ‘the authority in this household’ just before y’all get groceries and then asks you if you can spot him because his paycheck is tomorrow.
Imagine a man yelling at you ‘what do you do for me in this relationship’ only to later need to use your card to book a reservation to visit family for the holidays.
Imagine a man telling peers ‘oh I can leave her ANYTIME, she’d be screwed without me’ and then when you break up his snot-nose is crying about ‘where am I going to live you know I can’t afford an apartment on my own😭😭’.
That shit is the FUNNIEST audacity I’ve witnessed in hindsight. I lost respect and care for him overtime not only because of that, but because he wasn’t fully appreciative of me stepping up and it was clear that was never going to change. I’d even go so far as to say he probably never loved me, but the benefits of being with a financially independent woman.
To me, a lot of men that want a traditional relationship but want to shirk the responsibility of provisions just want power. Power OVER women and in ways that are a significant detriment. Power they can’t get otherwise because they don’t make the means to actually invoke a traditional relationship.
Girl, you said it! I’m single now for that reason! We have to realize the men willing and able to properly provide is virtually non existent. I’m living my life and not expecting anything from these sorry lil broke males who are ENTITLED for no reason!
Love the cosplaying provider! So funny!
Yet to me these traditional males are like victorian upper class males they were forced under many penalties not just soical scorn do curate the facade of providing for his wife. I say facade cuz society used visual ques to establish was she well taken care off she could be a skeleton under her clothing yet if she didn't look it in the face her fainting was seen as she was sexually frustrated and needed a doctor not any other care or concern.
She needed to look groomed, finely dressed, be provided with great food before company even if she could only a thumb size portion due to her corset crushing her organs since age 9, ect.
Her crimes were literally his crimes and the crimes of their children would in a minor way extend to her but majority extend to him. He could go to jail or pay fines for his wife's crimes not her. When they divorced he'd have the kids not question and she'd be destitute nearly without fail unless her family saw use to place her with someone else. He needed to have & keep money and resources always and for years before he was deemed soically ready for marriage if he failed over the trial years he was seen as an unfit match no prominate family would sell their daughter to him he was ill fitting.
Modern males do not have a single victorian rule yet they want to pretend it's the same system they want to apply manors, roles, and rights that weren't ever made for them and honestly its not even the same system their broke men and broke victorian men had far different rules them providing wasn't required yet the woman worked & her money was her money she decided if she dated or married not him. We don't really have the pauper's guide to house and home in victorian times like we have for the rich woman.
My ex never gifted me anything throughout the relationship even on my birthday so I thank God that I was strong enough to let him go after my second attempt to end the relationship. I didn't even cry once, I sold my cheap engagement ring a few days ago and used the money to eat out. I am levelling up my life now to become the type of woman a man will provide for:
1) Seeing a dermatologist
2) started therapy
3) praying and fasting
4) going to school to open more job opportunities for myself
5) Networking
6) househunting so I can live in beautiful, tranquil homes.
Girl you just described my ex husband. I went through all of that.
The last paragraph regarding POWER was absolutely fire and was the absolute truth.
Boy math= i want 50/50 in a "traditional" marriage.
Girl math= I want a man to take care of me 100% even though I've had 100 men in my bed.
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💀💯💯🤣😂 Facts.
50% on bills for 100% hours at work + 100% childcare, pet, eldercare, and household chores.
That is true. Good men with money don’t go 50/50. I had a rich friend. He said he doesn’t care how much a girl makes because he makes good money. He ended up finding a nice girl. She is a stay at home mom now. He takes care of all the finances and is an active father. He had this job that made him work long hours. But he quit and found another one that allowed him to spend more time with his family. Nice guy and wish him the best with his family.
That’s what you do when you’re truly invested and love your family. I stopped accepting workaholic men. They would be someone of the most stingy too. Just another flavor of male selfishness.
Yes that’s ideal but if you want the man to be the provider for most people you have to accept them working longer hours. I would love to be around my kids more (when I have them) but for my wife to stay home it means I have to work more. Can’t really expect a man to be a provider but then complain about his hours if he’s working to allow a SAHM lifestyle
It's funny, they think we have to deal with them to eat a meal. Ladies, how much have you spent on brunch or vacations with your girl friends? 😂 If some of these males saw our tabs... Ain't hardly nobody dealing with males for a meal! 😂
Exactly! Going out to dine at restaurant by myself or with girlfriends is so enjoyable. Because we just order whatever we want. We see the value in paying for quality time.
I totally agree with you. I started taking myself out on dates and where I wanna go. I don't want any man thinking I "owe" him at the end of the night
Exactly most of them are cheap I spend $60-$80 when I take myself out or spend it on me and my kids
@@kayshawnsimmons5585 Exactly 💯
@@77kc_77exactly especially when I'm craving sushi
I'm not confused. They want a slave to worship them. That's what they want. A slave with a slave mentality.
Finally someone said it
Pretty much the way some of them describe it yeah it sounds crazy too like they have some kind of weird fetish for dominating women it's actually not as healthy as they think it is either if the husband makes all the decisions in the relationship because some of them don't know how to lead anyone they just want to feel powerful it's delusional thinking on there part because if you have great power like that people still have to hold you more accountable for your actions if you screw up they shouldn't get so many passes for this kind of terrible behavior that there trying to normalize either delusional and hypocritical people have no place in powerful positions because they can cause anarchy, a rise in crime, inflation and wars.
This can go both ways too that's why there always trying to silence feminists because some of us have the education to put them all in check there and make them understand that they still wouldn't be alive without her you need her help to be born so for that reason your both equal you both have your own unique talents but that shouldn't give you special passes for being different that's not logical they both should have to follow the same set of laws in society in order to keep it balanced.
A slave with a paycheck because they are unambitious and don't want to do more than the bare minimum at work as well as at home.
Or a one woman put it "a submissive leader". They want the woman to do all work and take their lives and household in the direction it should go and then turn around and submit to them.
It's the whole life version of those dumbass women who hand their boyfriends their debit card underneath the table so he can act like he is paying. They now expect that in every aspect of life.
And she has a trust fund.
At least you’re honest
Don't ask what a man wants....... ask yourself what do you want !
I don't want any man. Solved it. 😁
These xys can date each other their not worth it
IMO we women were conditioned to handle this mess.. During slavery, ABW took care of 2 homes.. After slavery, we took care of two homes.. Now that were able to financially able to take care of ourselves, we're not going back to the struggle. If these BM wants a traditional wife, ok! Make sure you provide a lifestyle like your white counterpart did for his women.. and yes they had nannies and maids.. if not, no deal 😂
@@Doingfatthingswithfriendsthey hate that especially when it comes to White men and (providing,protecting )😂🤣🤣🤣
The dummies want us to PRETEND they are alpha males when they are not. Not doing it. They want to be treated like kings with no work. You gotta pay the cost to be the boss.
I am a white male who has made well into the six figure range for over 30 years now and I know quite a few white males who make six figures. None of us provided a nanny or maid. I pay all the bills, provide the food, buy the clothes, shoes, cell phone, insurance both medical and automotive, vacations, holidays and all that. If a woman is so lazy that she can't cool, clean and take care of the kids she wants. By all means get out, work your job and then go home to do all the cooking and cleaning anyways. On top of that do your own car maintenance and yard work.
@@robchurch881Take the compliment and Stfu. 😂 The last little bit about the nanny was just comic relief. The point is that a community of men can barely stay employed and are barely educated or trained - yet want to blame you, the white man , for those failings or blame black women for their failings. They then want to name call because the women of their group said yes there is oppression and racism, but we are going to work to overcome those obstacles. They want the rules of your world to apply to them but do not want to work and provide to keep that family structure in place. They also want to call women masculine when they work but also call them gold diggers and pathetic when they decide to depend upon them in the traditional manner. You are being purposely obtuse and ignored the big picture.
@@robchurch881Good for you providing for your household. Other men do what you do plus a nanny or house-help.
Everyone mileage will vary.
As for lawn care, automotive care, etc, those can be outsourced. Many men outsource those things already.
They want the 50’s without the negative side-effects. You want a traditional woman, you must provide, but if you don’t want to provide, she can’t be traditional. 😂
Thats not eaven traditional
Its just the 1950 houseslave
A trad woman is international and comes milenia
Can cook clean make clothes, gut animals take care of a field house and animals, self defend chop woood repair house
Also a trad woman doesent wear makeup, and has whatever hair long or short
And she wears comfortable weather apropriate work clothes /traditional culture clothes
Male fantasy vs actual trad woman 🤡 mfs like to spew bs or steal words and put on bs definitions
traditional does not mean the women doesn't work and is a house wife that's not true. that house wife crap is a fantasy TV show women have always worked, that's the traditional women she also provided and did work in the house.
The thing I'd tell them when they try to pull that is "Ok so if I'm not providing and you're not providing, who tf is going to provide for kids?"
@@JewelWildmoon both you can't put providing on one person.
@@kevben706 ik I'm referring to the ones that go with the traditional gender roles as in the wife being the stay-at-home mom and the dad being the provider, but not willing to do the providing part.
They want a traditional 50/50 woman, they want both worlds. They want her to work but then turn that independence off when it starts effecting their ego but turn on when they don't want to pay for everything.
OMG. Exactly.
Yeah I gotta agree there especially if there’s kids. If there’s no kids there’s not really a reason for both people not to work but if there’s kids the man needs to pick up extra hours
The man that wants a traditional wife needs to be sure….he can provide for at least 4 people so he can afford for kids too. Women are expensive starting for skincare, so stay single and stop taking advantage of girlfriend!
They won't, they don't want to do anything in favor of a woman but want you to do everything
@@Doingfatthingswithfriends loved it! You are right! 😂 😂 I was being too considered, I forgot some men are not considered with us.
That’s not how marriage works…
Men these days NEED women to pay bills now! Lol. Traditional values be damned. My bf does more than enough for me he cooks, cleans, works, does ALL laundry, the handyman, pays for dates, pays more bills, etc. AND YET he STILL NEEDS me and has told me that. I’m happy to have him nonetheless but yea… that traditional relationship is a pipe dream for most men. They simply can’t afford it.
The men who can afford it (and aren't already taken) are generally not tall enough or handsome enough to attract a woman's attention. Women are easily satisfied with the very best of everything.
That's right. Y'all only got two options: Pookie and simps. And we gone keep it like that.
@@js43168 Wait wait wait... I've heard multiple times about Pookie and Ray-Ray. I've heard this from many sources, too.... not just one. So with that said: If Pookie is an option, then why isn't Ray-Ray?
@@js43168Wrong. We have a third and fourth option:
3. Date other women
4. Be single, childfree, and happy
@@melissachartres3219 if that was the case then majority of men would be single, they don't meet half of it. Never understood mens complaints. Like do you go outside ? Look at couples? Look at the men in marrages?
They want traditional women who can also contribute 50% to the finances whilst they sit on their crusty asses. We’re superwoman but even that’s impossible
A gen Xer here who was told in the 70's that I would need a degree to fall back on, which became a different narrative in the 80's when I was told I could never rely on a man to take care of me. I have multiple degrees and support myself. When I was married my ex wanted it all and didn't lift a finger to help me. Now I have decided to stay alone because I am not willing to be taken advantage of. And the 50/50 never works out. The women often still feels taken advantage of. Ladies always make a paycheck so you have control over your own life. Otherwise, women are often treated poorly.
50/50 is really 80/20 in reality.
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I am so pleased to see a substantial movement of women moving towards decentralizing men in their lives. This is becoming less and less of a fringe concept.
My sisters, I am an old school lesbian, and a feminist, and I have had the ability to remove male supremacy from my personal life for a few decades now (my work life not as much). It is freeing, so freeing. It is a real gift to see heterosexual women taking a step back from their socially constructed 'roles' and asking a big huge questions around "but why?".
Men are adapting. The ones that refuse to adapt and work on themselves will be left behind. Oh well. For some reason the epidemic of 'male loneliness' and other male issues around physical and mental health are somehow women's responsibilities. We apparently cause the problems and we apparently must fix them too.
I look forward to the day when men finally stop expecting women to take care of them and make them happy. Feminism has been a long history of women coming together and helping each other out in tangible ways, not just complaining on the internet or wherever. We created networks of support, non-profits to help women leave abusive relationships, get some education, get work, get homes, help with child rearing, legal protections and equality legislation and whatnot. Women didn't wait around complaining expecting men to fix the problems of women for us.
Every time I have asked a man from the 'manosphere' going on about how feminism is just women supremacy and that women ought be doing the same for men as we do for other women. When I ask them in what tangible ways are they lifting other men up and addressing these social inequities they see, like men's health issues around depression, addiction and suicide, not one has been able to name one thing. An excellent example of this is women's and children's shelters for domestic violence and men complain these places do not exist for men. They aren't wrong. When I ask though why don't they get organized and open a men's shelter for domestic violence, they soon come to reveal they don't want to work towards that, they don't really want the shelters for men...they just don't want women to have access to these services so they have no way to escape.
Men are not adapting. They are taking advantage of women's egos
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So well said.
Thank you! Thank you lesbian feminists for everything! We don't get appreciated much even in our feminists society. As a young radfem lesbian who's opening for herself Andrea's theories and starting to see reality as it is i know. Women should listen radfem lesbians, bc we are the ones who are decentered men first and we don't need them, we're not attracted to them so we're not romanticizing them, we can see men who they really are.
I haven't met a man who can maintain me at the standard I have created for myself. I travel within the States and internationally every two years. And general personal maintenance not including financial obligations
Got to say, same std girl, plus fact I don't often find guy that I WANT to try to fill that role for yrs. Emotional labor feels like it's always 80/20 at the lady's disadvantage, and that is the most draining for me.
Enjoy your cats.
@@melissachartres3219 well one is pretty mean so I don't really enjoy her. But other one is joy. He cuddles and he is leash and voice command trained. I also enjoy my dogs. Thank you for the well wishes. I hope you have something you enjoy too
I stopped listening to them because they're confused and hateful.
You should'nt have been listening from the get go, their abusive under earning dudes, that'll date the same woman they speak against if they had money.
I don't listen to men completely decentered them
They are confused and I personally feel. If they felt the female was worthy of the money they were spending on them , they wouldn't have a problem. But those females we know they can't afford. It's when they date females that they don't find worthy of their money And they don't really like. That the complaining comes in.
Homegirl at the end was screaming, but she doesn't need to do all that. Her, and the rest of women, need to understand that men wont dismantle patriarchy. They made it to benefit them in the first place, and it does. The fact that some men cant benefit from it, doesnt mean they hate it. They complain because they cant figure out how to con the system to screw women over without having to become CEO.
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Agreed!!!
Oh I love how you worded this 🎯🎯🎯
“I want you to make a lot of money, but less money than me, give me the money you make, you don’t have any access to it, you do all the housework, support every idea I come up with no matter how financially unsafe or illogical it sounds, make me babies, raise them by yourself somewhere I don’t have to hear them or interact with them, make me look good in public, don’t look for me to spend time with you especially doing something you or your friends are interested in doing, don’t tell people our relationship arrangements or happenings, give me sex, be faithful, but don’t complain about if I sleep with other women, don’t ask me for anything you or the kids need or want, do everything I tell you to do without question or debate, get out of my house immediately if I get tired of you, of course take the kids with you, make me look good when you talk with them about me, and take me back if I decide to re-start our relationship… but pretend nothing bad ever happened between us☺️.”
- Him
You just described my x marriage. I could not have said it better.
Omg...nail on the head
Traditionally marriage was about survival. Now that it's not really necessary, it's starting to become more about actually liking and being compatible with each other and many women are finding that this type of partner is pretty rare. More women are working outside the home and making their own money, so they don't need to be tied to a man for survival, marriage is becoming a choice and not just something that people do because it's expected.
Men shouldn't have microphones. Men make the rain and then ask why it's raining.
As a traditional African SAHM who's a landlord for my own coin. My man was up at 2 am with me helping me with the baby. He changes diapers, cooks, makes me tea, does the laundry and he works full time. He identifies as a traditional man too
Remove "helping "he was up being a parent as he should be
That would be considered as normal.
Here's what I look for in a leader:
Non-anxious presence.
Education (experience can be an education - life experience and work experience).
Situational awareness.
Creative thinking.
Willingness to do the work the leader expects and wants me to do.
Oh, and I married a partner. Not a boss. Not a leader. And certainly not a "king." Men who pantomine monarchy have no idea what a real life king has to do or be capable of. "King" dudes want to surround themselves with servants.
I am one of the women who doesn’t want to be in a trad relationship. Yes I am feminine, caring, loving and I enjoy cooking and knitting. But I also put my dream of being a scientist first, before relationships and I insist on being the sole or a dual provider and a fair split of housework depending on roles. I will never be a housewife and I expect any man I date to accept that. Period
At this point I don't even know if I want a relationship Anymore
Oh I was screaming yes as the 2nd guy was speaking! My main argument is that too many men complain about women not taking accountability while simultaneously blaming them for all their ills and problems in society that women need to fix ON TOP OF being self sufficient and taking ownership of household while maintaining our attractiveness and conservatism for them. It leaves me wondering about how are they leaders? What are they actually bringing to the table? If all they are doing is taking AND calling great guys simps then for those men, what purpose do they serve in a relationship?
Facts!! They're not they just want the credit for everything. I feel like they hate us for being able to decide if we want to deal with them. Deep down they know that we're more superior so they act like the little boy on the playground and push us down in front of everyone. They haven't grown up/evolve yet.
Don't you know that the penis is "The Crown Jewel"? Of course you should do all of that to be worthy of it! "The Crown Jewel" drips with "Pearls of divinity" that you need to create babies with his permission. No slavery, no "Pearls Of Divinity" for baby making. Nevermind the fact that the precious pearls are often wasted and thrown away everytime he "polishes The Crown Jewel". 😂
none, that‘s why they don‘t have a relationship and are complaining
The second dude at least is consistent. He may not be opposed to patriarchy, as he himself put it, but at least he seems like he wants men to hold up their end of the bargain. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do it, but at least a man like that is CONSISTENT.
Men should date each other atp too much of a headache - they want a trad wife , but aren't traditional
Im bisexual but i really dont want those men.... so i understand you why u dont want those toxic men
@@famine3141 I'm lesiban and don't want them either - I still don't want to be around toxic males
@@77kc_77 then we better move them all away from us where they can date their own kind. far away
@@famine3141yes 😂 I wish friend
There IS NOT a man alive today that DESERVES a traditional wife. Especially not a beautiful traditional wife, especially not a beautiful rich trad wife.
If the man watches porn, NOPE! Not worthy.
If the man has slept around/had sex outside marriage, NOPE! Not worthy.
If he’s been a bum, plays video games for hours, doesn’t have a well paying stable career, doesn’t do domestic housework, doesn’t know how to fix a car, doesn’t understand what true leadership means and does, doesn’t know how to fix the stuff of the house, NOPE! Not worthy!
A traditional wife deserves all of that, plus more. There is hardly a man who is alive today that deserves one. There are some, but they are taken, and they are HAPPY. They are happy because they deserve a traditional wife, not because they got one. Why? Because a man deserving of a traditional wife keeps his wife happy. She doesn’t leave him. She adores him. A man might acquire a traditional wife, but if he is not deserving of her, he will lose her- either her heart and then eventually through divorce. A man worthy of a traditional wife actually LOVES his wife and she knows it.
Lol I'll never forget the wife that was feeling some type of way because as soon as her husband started making more money than her he started acting like he paid everything for her. She went behind his back and applied for jobs with a higher salary than him and got it. He was HOT!😂😂😂 Like wtf do they want?????
Pricilla, I love your compilations and points of view. I'm Icelandic and as white as people come and I love to learn about perspectives from women around the world. It is disheartening to see that we are dealing with a lot of the same issues, but in a weird way it also makes me feel closer to my sisters around the world. Keep up the good work! All the best from your friend in Reykjavík.
Omg Icelandic men too?!
@sakurakitsune6947 it's that viking DNA. Fight, conquer, etc. 😂
I miss iceland
Omg I thought no one can boss around a Viking woman lol
It's ALL men. They all have the capability to be toxic. Traditional roles is what they claim they want, but the majority of them can't afford that lifestyle.
We women need to reall6 step up our alliance and put these men in their place ... globally!!!
It's good there are also men in these clips who are speaking up against and calling out their dusty peers. The more who realize the truth, the better.
I don't even need to comment bc so many said what I would've said and said it perfectly. I love being Single. It's been SO PEACEFUL.🥰
Princella says that men don't love, they take.
And any criticisms men have on women is PURE PROJECTION. They are so low level that they can't even see that
Men aren't capable of love
Noone has debunked Princella yet
But they just got through telling us that our accomplishments don't mean anything and it makes us "masculine."
Do they want an independent woman, gold digger, or the traditional wife who takes care of the children while the man works?
All three in one woman it seems. These dudes be confused😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I don't understand why they say make money women will come to you and then complain that women come to them because of their money
traditional does not mean the women doesn't work and is a house wife that's not true. that house wife crap is a fantasy TV show women have always worked, that's the traditional women she also provided and did work in the house.
@@sugarzblossom8168 It seems they want women to be impressed by their money but not actually use it. Like a peacock's feathers. It's all about showing off. They just don't realize that being showy like that isn't impressive if you do have your own money.
Completely off topic, but as a non-native English speaker, I finally understand the 'have the cake and eat it too' proverb! It's the wrong way around! Thank you so much 🥰
Agreed!
Omg same!!! I was just thinking of it the whole time! I heard it first time years ago, understood the applicability of it, but never got curious enough to actually look for how it means what it means. It's because of her way of saying it I finally realised it.
same lol!
As a native English speaker, I still don’t understand the saying because why wouldn’t you want to eat the cake you bought?😅😂
@@schokococoa575 no no, the proverb means someone wants to eat their cake and still have it intact to keep eating forever.
Yeah, but at any time the traditional woman gets abused or gets tired of getting treated like a door mat. Then, she’s a gold digger. To me, it’s better to be in a 50/50 partnership where everything is split and chores are shared equally or just be single.
I am single. There is always discussion about the chores. For me it is too exhausting. I can't stand that private battlefield. The world outside is crazy enough. 😄
As a man that stepped out his comfort zone to be a life coach for men at the side, I have found that a lot of the dudes that claim that women are difficult or complicated are usually just projecting their own messiness onto an idea of women. Given the conversations I have had with young men struggling to improve their lives when you try to give them advice, especially when it comes to dating and marriage, men are pretty complicated and confusing too, but I think this is a human trait rather than a "woman" or "man" thing.
Its too expensive to date and too keep a woman kept with her hair care, skin care, and nails too look feminine- I do my own nails 💅🏾 which saves me $20 now you add in children and dinner / events
Then you need to be single and sexless till you pick your weight up.
@kayshawnsimmons5585 yep 100 its simply not worth it too date most of these dudes are not worth the date
@@77kc_77 they ask you out, then act like they've done you a favor so you owe them your body. FOH. I can pay for my own 50-100$ meal homeboy move around. Cause they don't eat what I like. Anyway
@kayshawnsimmons5585 exactly I can buy my own meal and afford the attire ! They're too lazy to date or put in the effort
@kayshawnsimmons5585 Men are now asking why are women using vibrators and dildos - I don't want a std or community cock
Men have looked so deep down that they have now reached the Mariana Trench and they still do not know what they really want.
Ladies, all I can say is go where you’re loved and valued, don’t settle for hobosexuals ❤
Ladies aren't SETTLING at all. The average man who can financially afford to take good care of a woman (and isn't already taken) generally isn't tall enough or handsome enough to attract a decent woman. Women are easily satisfied with the very best of everything.
@@melissachartres3219Who rejected you?! I’ve seen you in every single string!
Well, if a Woman is “broke”, _why_ would she date a financially *un* stable male?? You need opposite charges, boo. Same won’t work. And I’m glad bro in the glasses called it out, b/c that fool look like he carrying a tank _full_ o’ sugar.😒😒😒
Right! And he’s hideous.
Such great points. I love this channel and that there are women smart and courageous enough to talk about what’s happening. Love that some men are also speaking out about it too.
Totally agree - do what makes you happy and feel safe, and then find a man (maybe) who fits with that. But as women, please don’t change your lives around and stop college or building your career, just to find a man, especially one who wants you to go 50/50 and do all the cooking and cleaning - please don’t do that to yourself as he will also be entitled and emotionally (potentially physically) abuIve and probably a gaslighter
Thank you 😊
Men who go 50/50 shouldn't be dating
The liberal arts major women ate that response up😂❤ I miss school fr fr now! I'm also convinced that many men want other men and refuse to be straight forward. There isn't enough disagreeing in the world. Yes sirs!!!!
I admire you Priscilla, you are so entirely accurate and sensible and perceptive. Also skilled with the snippets and editing. I am in a terrible conundrum. I’m encouraging my wonderful daughter-in-law to leave my wastrel of a son ( heart-breaking for me as you can imagine). Fortunately, the children are just about grown. I will support them all best as I can, but I will not support any man, even my only son, to abuse, disrespect and harm his partner. Kids don’t always turn out the way you brought them up.
Prayers and mad respect
This is off topic, but I had to say it: your braids are STUNNING!!!
Thank you so much
They want a Submissive Provider.
Traditionally people worked, men and women. Traditionally people were agricultural or had home-based business. Traditionally parents parented their kids together.
I appreciate these channels - where women are speaking up about societal inequalities and the state of hetero relationships.
I wish these women would also discuss the basics of human survival.
Feelings aside, these males are murdering and assaulting EVERYONE.
And we women just ignore it.
Why? Crime (and our survival) is also the major contributing factor to the aforementioned societal/relationship issues we’re discussing.
Why don’t women talk about it?
Talk about how scary these guys make life.
Talk about how risky engaging them truly is.
Please women….Talk about THAT.
@user-ThWallraised by a single mother because the father left. Are you suggesting that single mothers abandon their children since they can't raise good men?
@user-ThWallNo, majority of them were abandoned by their fathers and have no +ve male role models in the con-munity to teach them masculinity values.
This talking point is all played out, you effeminate dl dusty.
@user-ThWallAh yes, blaming the parent that stayed. Maybe these women should just put their kids for afoption. Boom, problemo solved.
@@furballrage595 that's what it sounds like to me. We should listen since they were once children and they feel they would've been better off as orphans.
The only men in their 20s I ever knew who had any domestic worth at all were Only Children of single moms. With no sister to misigynisticly fob off cooking and cleaning to, those guys actually stepped up. With no brother to team up with against the adult authority figure, they were left on their own both socially and domestically UNLESS they teamed up with their mom to survive.
So my grampa, an ex boyfriend, and a buddy of his, were the only guys I knew who would just get stuff done at home. Cuz growing up, they didn't have the privilege of fobbing stuff off to the girls, and didn't have the opportunity to form a misogynistic male alliance with a brother against the mom.
The black guy in the glasses told the truth.
At this point. Men Need to just linkup with other men bc…
Women are damned if We Do, And Damned if We Dnt 🤷🏽♀️
50% NOT GRAFUATING FEOM HIGH SCHOOL, less than 6% in college eith high drop-out bc no strong foundational English or Math skills
This no college education or degrees not even a certification just a GED and basic high school degree
In my many dates with men, it is amazing to me how many physically recoiled when I told them anything that suggested I was financially stable. "Independent" and "intimidating" were thrown out as backhanded compliments all the time.
Their minds don't go high enough to care about anyone but them. They abuse and gaslight then discard .
I feel so sorry for straight women. I’m so sorry, y’all. You’re welcome to live in my fairy cottage with all the other ladies. We have cookies and True Crime.
Wild... A whole generation of men complaining about their own patriarchy failing them. It's not women's fault that they are failing in a system that was created for them to exceed at women's expense. Also a man that is full of double standards and contradictions makes the worst partner. Choose a struggle and accept it. Because a part of life is struggle.. There is no escaping it. Everyone struggles.. Including women. Duh.
I'm independently wealthy, and be damned if I buy a man a beer. No.
3:35 “…leading her down a path of poverty and dustiness…” Lol 😂😂😂
They need to ask themselves why would a woman want them if they can't provide.
I really don't get this obsession with submission. Even if I were to stay at home and he work. That doesn't mean that I would he submissive. Women do a lot of unpaid labor as stay at home moms. His labour isn't more valuable than mine.
50/50 is what you do with a ROOMMATE!
They want a slave who also pays them.
My parents (and family history in general) taught me that it was important for me to have the skills to support myself. I didn't want to end up like two of my great-grandmothers, who were widowed young, and needed their eldest children to sacrifice their dreams to support the family. My granny is still bitter about this subconsciously, more than 80 years after it happened.
ETA: for example, my spouse was made redundant after corporate downsizing during the first year of our marriage. If I hadn't worked, we would have been stuffed. My job meant that we were able to stay afloat until the situation improved.
They are walking contradictions.
"Traditional" is the Manosphere dogwhistle for an abusive relationship.
I love how you put your videos together with other points of view. Great work! Awesome!
At the end of the day, marriage only benefits a man. Imagine us women, just for a moment if you will… working full time, coming home and not having to do one thing! No cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, washing and ironing our clothes, staying up all night with a upset child, your weekends spent relaxing. Wouldn’t that be a dream😢. As I said, pls give me one example how marriage benefits a woman?
I no longer care what they want. But, Felipe!
You don't want me to be broke but at the same time I can't be independent......hmmmmm can someone make this make sense.
3:49 Zesty Bro! OMG I love it and everything else this man had to say. Spot on!
Either they meet your standards OR they don't have access to you.
Girl seriously!!!! Thank God someone is saying it!!
5:30 She's 100% Correct.🙂
What these _selfish_ people (male and female) want is someone to pick up where their parents left off.
If u paying 50 percent then u provide for yourself and he provides for himself.
As women, besides of paying 50/50, are still doing the most of the house work like cleaning, raising the kids etc., women are providing most at her cost. That is not a win-win...
Thus, making you roommates. So then what's the point?
An entire dusty contradiction. Yes,thank you all for enlightening these slow boys.
Priscilla your makeup is always on point, please share deets of eyeshadow and lipstick!!
They don't know what they want. They want everything without giving much.
I feel like those guys just need to be gay and date each other.
Zesty bro. A new word adding to my vocabulary 😂
Ladies, the question you should be asking every male is: "what do you bring to the table?"
You correctly saying, "eat your cake and have it too," made my year😂
Nice to see men speaking out
Every man i tried to be with i had to work clean the house cook take care of the kids and sport black eyes at work i stayed single for a long time im safe my money covers the bills i got my own home and there will be no man abusing or ruining my life again
Guys just date each other lmao theyd be so mad at themselves because they'd hurt their own egos
I remember long ago I helped out answering questions to foreigners living in Peru (My parents are from there) and one American dude was complaining how he had to pay for everything but his post history was wanting to find a 'traditional woman' and was tired of American women.
Girl, your hair looks so good!
Thank you!!
5:25 He's correct.🙂
I wanted traditional relationship with the woman's role, but since these alpha male podecasts I don't wanna more.
This video is EVERYTHING!!!!!