How Sega ̶F̶i̶x̶e̶d̶ Broke Amy’s Character

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  • @NightyBatsy
    @NightyBatsy หลายเดือนก่อน +244

    Finally a video that understand why I and so many people love Amy and miss her past characterizations, I was so happy when I saw that Evan Stanley brought Amy back in the recent IDW issues the art for her facial expressions was perfect too, I want Amy to be allowed to be spunky, bubbly, cheerful, silly, energetic, overreact, be a brat, let her get angry!! She's been so nothing this past like wow decade maybe? She feels more like a middle-aged mom than a young teen hedgehog, Let her be Amy again!!

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      You speak truth my friend. I really like Amy's animations in the advanced games as a whole. I feel like that game's art style levied itself to making the cool, sleek, exaggerated designs of Uekawa really pop. And characters like Cream and Amy really benefit from that style imo.

    • @criticalbuddy524
      @criticalbuddy524 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What's the numbers of those IDW issues?? Just asking for search.

    • @Jenny-h9b8l
      @Jenny-h9b8l หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      OMG the mom vibes is so real. I joke with my family that she's often left gentle patenting the rest of the cast lol like it's okay for her to be immature

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      But not even the IDW characterization is enough for some people...sadly.

    • @miniwhiffy3465
      @miniwhiffy3465 หลายเดือนก่อน

      she led a resistance against eggman in a war she ain't gunna be the cheerful innocent dumbass that can't tell between hedgehogs over this weird ass addiction over sonic, stop whining characters change over multiple years.

  • @SansINess53
    @SansINess53 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    What I think amy should be?
    A slightly less obssessive girl over sonic.
    To actually grow and also give her a Firey personality when she gets mad.
    To make for comedic moments.

    • @knucklestheechidna9826
      @knucklestheechidna9826 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You and me both! Do a mix of both but making her sky for Sonics love is plain stupid

    • @SansINess53
      @SansINess53 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @knucklestheechidna9826 I'm making her still a love interest for sonic, because that's she started as and should still be but be less obsessive compared to the old amy.

    • @SansINess53
      @SansINess53 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @knucklestheechidna9826 there are already independent female figures like blaze, we need a crazy female that will destroy infinite voids by being angry.

    • @knucklestheechidna9826
      @knucklestheechidna9826 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SansINess53 exactly!! Exactly!!

    • @dorrianbrooks9408
      @dorrianbrooks9408 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats why I like Archie Amy

  • @lala-jd6em
    @lala-jd6em หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    I like the new direction with Amy. I just want her to still be open about her love for sonic. I also still want to see her be funny and have a spunky nature to her.

    • @AstonishingRedd-j9x
      @AstonishingRedd-j9x หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The problem with the "new direction" is that it isnt Amy. Its like making Shadow Green, and making him a comedic character. Its simply not the character.
      But the main issue,is, the change was purely due to Sega's new DEI consultancy and mandates depicting women. In other words: censorship.

    • @mizv4043
      @mizv4043 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AstonishingRedd-j9x nah amys portrayal in the past was sexist AF. DEI would be censoring rouge or reducing the size of her chest.....or changing cream's personality to be more abrasive instead of keeping her polite and soft...or making knuckles act stereotypically black.

    • @nitronix2787
      @nitronix2787 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@mizv4043How was her original portrayal sexist asf? When you say in the past how far are you talking about?

  • @QueenNeverCry9093
    @QueenNeverCry9093 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I miss Amy roses tempermental personality, i feel fine with sega making her stop chasing Sonic as long as they don't make her stop loving him, she's so boring with out her temper. It's important for a character to have flaws, Amy's temper is what made her fun.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      She's...abit more mellowed out I mean don't get me wrong she still has that fiery temper and when she gets mad she would absolutely decimate you! But she only get mad and pull out hammer when it's necessary...but I do love what they did to her in IDW she's really great in those comics and no I believe Amy's spunkiness made her fun.l but overall I don't see a problem with her be more mellowed out with sonic and I think sonic doesn't run away from her infact everytime she hugs him he doesn't run away anymore.

    • @Xenox02-vu9rq
      @Xenox02-vu9rq หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What's wrong with Tha Chase, that fits so well with Sonic and Amy

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x and why remove her Chasing him?? That was their signature dynamic.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ataladin87 to get along.

  • @MrBurger9629
    @MrBurger9629 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    One thing I love about this video is how you aren't trying to make a one-sided argument here but rather just showing how you feel about this character's personality while respecting how other people in the community feel. Really great stuff man.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Thanks man. I was trying to get across the idea that this is a nuanced topic, and not just a one sided debate.

  • @Modiecus
    @Modiecus หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    I've seen wars over the discussion over Amy's characterisation. It's crazy out here

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      did they ever end well... 👀

    • @graftongazaway
      @graftongazaway หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Plexi.T What do you think...

    • @elliotsturtplus340
      @elliotsturtplus340 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What’s crazy is they use that as one of the reasons why the remaster of gens is bad like Amy is barley In Generations remaster and also it’s not like Gens story had any high expectations so if anything sonic hivemind fans are just finding crap to complain about

    • @marsdenit2845
      @marsdenit2845 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kendraroth1276 Go back to Kotaku. You should check how many dislikes all of your comments have

    • @marsdenit2845
      @marsdenit2845 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@elliotsturtplus340 Blame that KendraRoth person. She is the literal Kotaku type that ruins modern gaming.

  • @GottaBGlitches
    @GottaBGlitches หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The tarot cards thing was from the Sonic CD manual. Her character became a blank slate, so they brought that back in Frontiers for gameplay, and to try hide how boring she is now.
    (the cutscene in Origins is fine, because it's based on the manual)

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I actually didn't know that, lol 😅. The first time I played CD was in Mega Collection.

  • @daviethehedgehog6317
    @daviethehedgehog6317 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I personally really like Amy's characterization in Frontiers.
    She's not as high energy as the previous titles or shows a whole bunch of love for Sonic, but I think it's fine for the tone of the game's story.
    I don't think it would be fitting to just have Amy obsessing over Sonic while she's wanting to help the Koco find their lover. Maybe she could've had a bit more energy, but I think that's more on the voice direction rather than the script.
    You do make a good point on her wanting to share her love with the world has been her character since Adventure, but with how it's written in Frontiers I see it as a natural evolution.
    I think it's because I see Frontiers' story as the series finally taking the next step with the characters (I believe that's the right term) and giving them more progression.
    I do believe Amy really does love Sonic, but I think it's more of Sega themselves wanting to tone it down rather than the fault of the writers.
    Ian Flynn himself has confirmed this, he doesn't want Amy's love for Sonic to be her only motivation, but I don't believe he wants to erase that, it's just Sega that calls the shots.

    • @NKL3085
      @NKL3085 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      how am I supposed to believe she's a strong capable girl independent from sonic when she's stuck as a ghost, relying on sonic for help and doesn't even show any frustration or humor about it?

    • @daviethehedgehog6317
      @daviethehedgehog6317 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair, both Knuckles and Tails don't really do much in their cyber ghost states. (most Knuckles does is block one laser from hitting Sonic and that's it)
      They don't really do much until Final Horizon where they decided to finally make them playable in a 3D game again, but that was after the original story was mostly finished.
      The cyber ghost thing is inconsistent, they even mention it in Final Horizon with Amy questioning why her hammer doesn't work but Knuckles' fists work for some reason. (wouldn't be an issue if they just incorporated her hammer into more of her moveset)
      As for her not showing enough frustration or humor, I think it's because Amy's more focused on at first finding Tails, and then helping a Koco find their lover.
      She does show a little bit of frustration when Sage says Sonic is endangering everyone's lives and when Sonic suggests leaving the Koco to wrap it up on their own.
      If Frontiers didn't have Sonic as the only playable character from the start, I feel like Amy (and the others as well) could've done a lot more with the plot instead of us just running into them every now and then.
      Hell, I think Amy should've gone with Sonic to Ares and Chaos Island, and Knuckles follow along for Chaos Island as well so then it's not just one character on each island.
      I've yapped a lot but I feel like Amy can shine and be more independent when the story doesn't have a reason for only Sonic to do all the work.
      I don't believe we've had a solo Amy game yet, so I think that'd be the best chance to let her shine.

    • @NKL3085
      @NKL3085 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @daviethehedgehog6317 because sonic team handled amy so bad since adventure, she couldn't be playable from the start or even be mad that she isn't

  • @Sakachi18
    @Sakachi18 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Look, if they wanted her Boom personality to be JUST her Boom personality, I'd have been fine with it. But then the IDW comics are trying to make her some kind of tech smartie too? By being the one to get into Eggman's computer. What is she supposed to be there, Sally Acorn? They dont seem to have any set personality for her beyond vague female gold heart character who likes Tarot reading. It makes me miss the days of Sonic X. I love her spitfire attitude a lot. If she is supposed to be 12 years old still, her old personality DOES fit her age better. But if she is older now, then I get them making her grow up. But they cant do things half way and have onoy one foot in the door, they need to OWN it and make a choice and stick with it. Inconsistencies suck. Pick one and stay with it. I personally LOVE the idea of her growing up and realizing she idolizes Sonic but doesnt need to be in love with him. She can just be his friend, move on and find a guy who fits her life plans and style better that treats her better, or she can be an independent strong girl who doesnt need a man. Either way, they need to decide if they want her to be into Sonic or not, dont just tone it down and try to hide it and be subtle, either commit to it or do away with it entirely. It keeps her character in limbo and makes it hard to write her.

    • @doctormodder
      @doctormodder หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Sally Acorn was mid anyway. She's just an American Ricky the Squirel Rip-off.

    • @Sakachi18
      @Sakachi18 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @doctormodder How is she a rip off of Ricky? If you think she is mid that's fine, but I don't see how she is a "rip off" of him.

    • @doctormodder
      @doctormodder หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Sakachi18 All Sonic SatAM freedom fighter characters aside from Sonic and Tails are based on the animals the player frees from badniks.

    • @Sakachi18
      @Sakachi18 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@doctormodder Designs may take inspiration, but that doesn't mean they are "rip offs". As I recall, the animal friends you save barely have personalized characters. If they just took inspiration from their looks and built an actual character around it, then that is not a "rip off". You are perfectly valid to hate the SATAM characters if you wish to do so, that is your right, but once again I must implore you to not just sling around accusations like that just because you don't like them. Just say they are boring to you and call it a day.

    • @doctormodder
      @doctormodder หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Sakachi18 The rip-off part was more of a joke anyway. Forgot about to mention that in my last reply. But yeah, still don't give a fuck about the SatAM characters.

  • @Philip-q4m
    @Philip-q4m หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Amy 2000s consistently reflects the real feminist of the time
    A woman by every stretch of the word,while also being a powerful in every major sense of the word (not that flexibility,senes,and smooth elegent motion isnt powerful)
    And childlike girl type vibe along wit it

    • @AstonishingRedd-j9x
      @AstonishingRedd-j9x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The 2000s was an era where "feminist" hit pieces constantly went after Amy

    • @AstonishingRedd-j9x
      @AstonishingRedd-j9x หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you sure you were born? "Feminist" hit pieces in no way supported Amy and this is what Sonic fans dealt with.

    • @AstonishingRedd-j9x
      @AstonishingRedd-j9x หลายเดือนก่อน

      *Bechdel Test* is something Amy Rose was considered to have failed. Most "feminist" journalists disliked Amy's character.
      Combined with 3D Sonic's bad reputation during the 2000s which gamers requested that Sonic's cast become mute.
      This precisely lead to the toning down of Amy's character in the late 2000s.

    • @AstonishingRedd-j9x
      @AstonishingRedd-j9x หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I did some research on Sega's new DEI consultancy agency. Regarding mandates on depiction of women, both Amy Rose (2000s) and Rouge fail, which means Sega isn't even allowed to rerelease games with their characters depicted as they originally were. This mandated Sonic Generations rewrites.
      Funny thing is, the DEI greenlight test, according to Sega's tweets are "feminist" and "inclusive."

    • @quickup7530
      @quickup7530 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No it doesn't. The 2000s [feminist] referred to characters having no differences in personality related to gender.
      Amy Rose failed that test badly

  • @HarmonyBunny
    @HarmonyBunny หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Amy Rose should be allowed to be cheerful, energetic, and have a temper. Removing these traits makes her bland and uninteresting. I'm fine with her obsession with Sonic being toned down but at least give her personality besides being the "girl of the bunch".

  • @biohazardbin
    @biohazardbin หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    *How Flynn And IDW Fans Broke Amy's Character
    Also no, the reason they scrapped Madonna is because she was too similar to Princess Peach. Not because they thought it was weird that a sentient blue hedgehog and a human woman could love each other. Very in bad faith.
    Amy's Tarot trait did not come out of nowhere. The reason why she has an interest in Tarot is because of Japanese culture, where young girls are *very* into fortune telling. The reason it was put as a character trait is because it was *SUPPOSED* to make her an ordinary girl. But, of course, that is lost in the West and they turned it into something it never was. I blame Flynn for that, he's pushed such an obscure trait to the limelight and trying to make it something more.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Even if that's a part of Japanese culture, it's still up to the writers to indicate that, and unless I'm unaware, the Tarot card thing only pops up in Sonic Origins from what I can tell. Also, Sonic has always been a characters that appealed to the west.
      Just look at his mohawk inspired spikes, the fact that they had Michael Jackson compose some of Sonic 3's soundtrack, and the general presentation of his coolness, and 90s edge in the game's marketing.

    • @OmarRodriguez-pj3qy
      @OmarRodriguez-pj3qy หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I think Frontiers is what made it more than what it is, and that wasn’t really Flynn. It was the actual game designers and animators that decided to put the Tarot Card spin in so much of her moveset. If Flynn wrote that one scene where she does try a reading, all that was just her doing a reading and nothing more.
      I don’t think it’s such an issue to make what’s essentially one of her original character traits less obscure. But I think in this case, it’s the game designers that turned it into a superpower, not the writers. And just these writers. She did a reading once with Belle, Jewel and Tangle in IDW but her main method of combat is the hammer. That shows you what the writers and artists THERE have in mind.

    • @thebluewind5733
      @thebluewind5733 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@Plexi.T
      Amy's Fortune card was in both the Japanese and English manual of Sonic CD but it was just that, and obscure trait.
      It's not a problem but I hate the toning down of her personality with her infatuation with Sonic, because it was both a gag and played straight as a eventual will they won't they is what was fun about they're dynamic, heck sailor moon is a lovestruck girl who love Tuxedo Mask and it's also played as a gag and as a touching serious plot point.
      I feel the overcorrecting of Amy's love for Sonic hurts they're dynamic.

    • @samirjohnson4524
      @samirjohnson4524 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Oh of course you blame Flynn for everything 🙄

    • @heyyoumewtwo4801
      @heyyoumewtwo4801 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If SEGA didn't want Ian Flynn to downplay Amy's infatuation with Sonic, then they should've included it in their long list of characterization mandates (the same list that already made people hate Flynn btw.)

  • @SonicSorey
    @SonicSorey หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a young boy, seeing Amy stand up to Zero at the end of Adventure was probably my favourite part of the game. I loved that Amy. Carefree, cheerful but short tempered, and fun to be around. That's the Amy I loved. I know she's a bit over the top in Heroes, but ignoring the Sonic obsession, she was just so full of positive energy.
    Now she's might as well be a piece of cardboard because she's just so flat and bland. I get she's supposed to have matured, but you can still be mature without having to remove the spunky side of you

  • @Leonardovideogoes
    @Leonardovideogoes หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Amy's crush has always been a comedic focus.

    • @mizv4043
      @mizv4043 หลายเดือนก่อน

      though they made it her whole personality and cranked it up to 11 to the point where she was essentially stalking him and trying to force him into things against his will.

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mizv4043 so did you ignore other things Amy did thay made her a great character???.

  • @Izzyisneon
    @Izzyisneon หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    i notice a lot of people dont take into consideration the subtleties Murder and Generations' rewrite kept in, like, yeah Amy isn't actively trying to glomp sonic anymore but she is trying to force blue and pink cupcakes into his face. The only reason she'd be this insistent on such a gift is to imply she does still strive for his attention, and have a crush on him, she just isn't as in his face about it as she used to be. Murder implies the same thing, what with her insistence to immediately kick anyone's ass the second she found out sonic was legitimately hurt. Do I think this change could've been handled way better? Absolutely. Amy's whole thing was being openly emotional, and taking that away from her just kinda leaves behind strong woman stereotype. BUT, I also don't think all hope is lost for this interpretation of Amy just yet. We'll have to wait and see

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I should have mentioned the murder mystery game, as it is also relevant to her new changes. I guess ultimately, what I'm wishing for is for Amy to still have her aggressive, caring attitude, while still keeping the consistency of her crush, within the context of her character. Like how a rejected person might act.

    • @Animation_Noob-t5e
      @Animation_Noob-t5e หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Plexi.T Can't you just take the video down, add that part, and then reupload it?

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here's the thing...she still has her spunkiness ok... Frontiers aside she still had that bubbliness and cheerful nature of her still while also being matured like in murderer of sonic the hedgehog,IDW heck even dream team!(Even her idle animation shows her cheerful attitude) How the heck y'all missing all this!? A d just focus on her frontiers interpretation and second she wasn't all that bad y'all making it out to be..

  • @Lyres-Liar-In-The-Lair
    @Lyres-Liar-In-The-Lair หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I feel like people heavily mischaracterize frontiers Amy as boring, when she simply is focused on other things THAN Sonic. It's clear that she still loves him, very, very much, but her love for things naturally evolved into making Sonic slow down from desperation, to pay more attention to things; in a way, he learns something FROM HER this time, which I think is a very nice change. She's the same Amy, just a little more grounded, a little more mature, and I enjoy that a lot (and I'm sure her temper will flare up again when she doesn't have to worry about other things like Sonic paining himself to rescue her, Tails and Knuckles).
    Really good video, by the way :D

    • @quickup7530
      @quickup7530 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      She is boring. Amy Rose fans expect certain things. Removing that from Amy makes her not Amy. And it makes fans unhappy

    • @quickup7530
      @quickup7530 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      She literally isn't the same Amy. Her character BIO was rewritten and retconned. Bechdel Test relates to future,Amy depictions and that was confirmed

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      agreed! naild the point!

    • @FrostclawTheGatomon
      @FrostclawTheGatomon หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@quickup7530 You're so wrong.
      Just look at the Japanese version of SXSG, and translate the entire ass bio.

    • @NKL3085
      @NKL3085 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      how am i supposed to believe she's a strong capable woman independent from sonic when she's stuck as a ghost, relying on sonic for help and doesn't even comment on it?

  • @Vior9
    @Vior9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Personally I like the new direction amy is heading in, it makes Sonic more comfortable to be around her and more willing to give her some hugs in return as seen in frontiers and in the idw comics. Makes him less nervous about her love for him and less likely to rudely push her away for a "gag". She still has the firey personality if you've read the IDW comics which im pretty sure is canon to the games, she teases sonic, gets angry, flirts with him (for example she gets flustered at the thought on going on a mission alone with him), etc.
    Only thing I've come around to agree with people on is her character should of stayed the same in the generations remaster, since that's not how she acted in that game.
    Edit: And this took a lot of convincing for me, since I'm the type who HATED Ken Penders writing, even for a lot of Archie stuff.

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Sonic being scared was not a resulting of being *"Uncomfortable"*
      It was the fact that he also had feelings for Amy or that he couldnt match her energy in terms of Symbolic representation for amy.
      Now he longer harbours those and sees Amy as one of the *"Bros"*

    • @Vior9
      @Vior9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ataladin87 He never had feelings for amy, it was always treated as a one sided love for humor until recently.

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @Vior9 no, he always did. His bio in 06 is further proof as it even says this.
      It wasn't just humour, that love is what helped Amy become her own character.

    • @Vior9
      @Vior9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ataladin87 Just google searched said bio.
      "This Hedgehog is the fastest thing on two legs. Like the wind, he can never stay in one place. In the past, he has faced and defeated Dr.Eggman and saved the world numerous times., but to Sonic, such things are just minor distractions, par from the course. He's always on the lookout for the next big adventure, and does whatever he can to keep from being bored.
      He's the kind of guy who lives by his own rules, without worrying about what others think of him. He keeps his promises, is always loyal, and always follows through on what he thinks is right. If he's hungry, he'll eat. If he's tired, he'll take a nap. If he feels like running, then off he goes, and he only stops when he decides to.
      On the surface, he may seem like just another careleess free spirit, but when it comes down to the wire, he is certainly much more than he seems."
      I don't see any mention of feelings for amy at all in here, granted this is the leaked bios from the japanese side of thing I found, since this was the only thing I found from 06 character bios and didnt see a thing for an american version. So unless it's out there, I'm assuming you're making things up.

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My bad, i meant Amy's Bio.

  • @Misry730
    @Misry730 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I guess that's what happen when people want Amy character change and sense they changed it now y'all regretting it now.

    • @Rosery-tea12
      @Rosery-tea12 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Frr before all of this most people would bully her for crushing on sonic and sonic X just messed her up. I like this amy just shows how she Isn't just Following sonic to get him to notice her but she wants to focus on herself and she cares about her friends putting herself in danger to protect them she still loves sonic but she Isn't obsessive or crazy and pretty sure she still has her funny moments she's just maturing more now❤

  • @jamestolbert1856
    @jamestolbert1856 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I actually kinda like her in Heroes, 06 and Advance. In those games we look into her leadership skills, fighting skills and compassionate and bubbly personality

  • @Ninetails2000
    @Ninetails2000 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would say Amy's strength was in the flame of her conviction. After CD, she decided she wanted to be stronger so that Sonic would respect her as an equal. She takes it upon herself to train and fight and defend those weaker than her. As she takes to the stage more, she and Sonic grow closer. Not as romantic interests, but as genuine friends. Sonic understands her and respects her opinions and decisions. Amy still flirts with him and is still his number one fan, but it only serves as surface level banter, like she's almost teasing him with it just to see him cringe and when they work together, shes actually able to reign Sonic's ego and impulsiveness in and connect to him in ways that others simplay can't. That moment in Rise of Lyric when Amy outright forces Sonic to stop for five minutes and enjoy the serenity of a waterfall is ine of my favorite Sonic/Amy moments because you can see just how much sway she has and hust how much Sonic begrudgingly respects her feelings.
    That's what Amy needs to be in my idealized view of her. Plucky, determined, and sweet as molasses but backed up by hard work, boundless empathy, and an iron will that allows her to take the reigns and shape situations to her advantage.

  • @kenonerboy
    @kenonerboy หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Truth is, old amy stands on business, new amy just yaps all day

  • @Pennsylvania343
    @Pennsylvania343 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I miss amys fiery personality Its hilarious watching her get angry and kick butt against her enemies and I think thats what she was supposed to be originally a funny yet fiery sonic fan girl that nots afraid to kick butt when she needs to while also having a compassionate side to her she was a well rounded character but I think that depiction got lost in translation on the American side of sega which is why she came off as more annoying in earlier games

  • @Winder_Storm
    @Winder_Storm หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    7:20 egg memo slander 🥳, those are so cringe lmao why does eggman have all the insightful thoughts on sonic and pals lmao

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @Winder_Storm FAX dawg. Like you're a super genius. Why do you care about some teenagers? lol 🤣

    • @miniwhiffy3465
      @miniwhiffy3465 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Plexi.T did you just ask why he'd care about the annoying brats that've been annoying him for the past multiple years?

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@miniwhiffy3465 why would he care about their character growth. Obviously, he would care about their power and strength. It's not like Eggman is their friend or anything. They're his mortal enemy

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@miniwhiffy3465Eggman has only ever taken note of Sonic. In most of the old games he dismissed Sonic’s friends as pests beneath his notice (which wasn’t very smart, because they’d then proceed to beat him).

    • @miniwhiffy3465
      @miniwhiffy3465 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Plexi.T the dudes been around them long enough he's bound to notice the growth and comment on it whilst outwardly think of the group.

  • @Londonlink
    @Londonlink หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amy not being unlockable in Sonic Adventure 2 is criminal she could have been unlocked with the Green Hill Zone Stage after getting all the emblems.

  • @partyrock4144
    @partyrock4144 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The tarrot reading was a thing in the sonic cd manual, it just wasn’t brought up again until recently.
    She has retroactively become “the pink one” despite that being successfully subverted up until now.

  • @happyluncher60
    @happyluncher60 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I really like how Amy is in sonic boom and MUCH later issues of Archie sonic

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@happyluncher60 Archie Amy was always great , boom Amy is cool but people completely don’t understand her with saying stuff like “boom Amy is best version of Amy becuase she’s not a stalker or obbesive” that’s so lame boom amy is a fun character she’s ignorant , wanting to better others but is very pushy and very stern she’s fun but people only like her cuase shes a “mature woman”

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I was gonna mention Sonic Boom Amy in the video, but I scrapped it, since I thought it was a different version entirely of her character.
      I also forgot to mention Sonic murder mystery, but maybe in another video. I should really check out some Archie comics though.

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think that version of her juggled the crush angle, spunkiness and her friendship quite well (and the more exaggerated traits she had there for comedy was great). Honestly if we got more of that I'd be a lot happier with her.

    • @happyluncher60
      @happyluncher60 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Plexi.T her. Earlier version. is kinda whiny and then she is almost completely nonexistent, but after ian flynn took over, she still is kinda obsessive but especially in the last arc she has some good character development

    • @Xenox02-vu9rq
      @Xenox02-vu9rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      In fact, Boom Amy is a more immature and insane version of Amy than the Amy from the 2000s.

  • @sharaheartsixx
    @sharaheartsixx หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I never used to like Amy but since they've ruined a lot of her character, I've grown to appreciate her. Seriously Amy is the personification of Passion. She knows what she wants in terms of her adoration for Sonic and her temper, again pure passion. She'll do anything for her friends and will always give it 100% and while I'm personally not a fan of the romance angle specifically the way they wrote her in earlier games (*cough* *cough* Sonic Heroes) but again she has so much potential of being great and I'm glad at least she's always treated as part of the main four.

  • @Hajimemee
    @Hajimemee หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Amy is definitely one of my favourites, & this video is EXACTLY how I feel, thank you 4 this.

  • @ShardTehMetalBoi
    @ShardTehMetalBoi หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    8:31
    Did you forget that Peach has 2 games and the fact she defeated Bowser 3 if not more times?

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      that jab was mainly a joke. I know Peach has a LOT more personality than people give her credit for.

    • @mk8-mkwil117
      @mk8-mkwil117 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@Plexi.Twhile true she had a lot more personality but the other people don’t get credit for is her role though game where They felt like they needed a change in her personality and role just look at the animated super Mario movie as an example

  • @graftongazaway
    @graftongazaway หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    8:35 Proceeds to show that exact game where Peach just about does that, if not VERY close.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      yeah, I guess I set that joke up poorly. I meant for it to be ironic. I actually think Peach's character is somewhat looked over.

    • @graftongazaway
      @graftongazaway หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Plexi.T ohhh, it was meant to be an ironic bit. I'm sorry I see it now.

    • @jimmy3608
      @jimmy3608 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also, Peach does just that in Super Mario Bros. 2, the Smash Bros. series, Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Wonder and now Princess Peach Showtime.

  • @lukescrew1981
    @lukescrew1981 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Amy in Heroes is awesome what are you talking about?

    • @HarmonyBunny
      @HarmonyBunny หลายเดือนก่อน

      She still forces Sonic to marry her during their team boss battle.

    • @SugarMama98-qb2td
      @SugarMama98-qb2td หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HarmonyBunnyOMG! It play for got damn comedy, It not suppose be serious.🙄😑😠

    • @lukescrew1981
      @lukescrew1981 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@HarmonyBunny She didn't force shit. She wasn't being serious there

  • @MrPyro90s
    @MrPyro90s หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's really a shame how misunderstood Amy's character is among the American public, although in my opinion Sega and ST are to blame for not promoting her properly and giving her a more prominent role since after SA2 she became a more secondary character.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MrPyro90s true, although to be fair, that was with many Sonic characters amid the 2010s

    • @FrostclawTheGatomon
      @FrostclawTheGatomon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's what happens when Sonic fans hate X and '06 Amy.

    • @MrPyro90s
      @MrPyro90s หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FrostclawTheGatomon That's right, unfortunately there are people so blinded by their hatred towards Amy that they don't want to understand her personality or accept her good moments.

    • @FrostclawTheGatomon
      @FrostclawTheGatomon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MrPyro90s Japanese Amy is where things are different.
      Her dialogue, like everyone else's in Remastered Generations is 1-1 identical in the Japanese version.

    • @MrPyro90s
      @MrPyro90s หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FrostclawTheGatomon I know about that, it seems that they left the original dialogues in the other languages ​​too, only the American version was re-dubbed.

  • @Jaytheanimator7725
    @Jaytheanimator7725 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly I like her newer characterization better cuz I watched it comic or Sonic said it's nice being able to hang out with Amy my friend than Amy my fangirl

  • @dissonanceparadiddle
    @dissonanceparadiddle หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sonic characters are a lot like Simpson characters. They've gone from people to reduced flat concepts that lean on the past games to point to for what they are like without actually representing those traits anymore

  • @sonicultimateyt1090
    @sonicultimateyt1090 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amy from Sonic X should be her characterization

  • @davidaviles1754
    @davidaviles1754 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I guess that's why I'm not a huge fan of sonic being hardcore, but I want to be casual for the franchise

  • @SaddieMoon
    @SaddieMoon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Tbh, I’m fine with Modern Amy for the most part. My only problem with her modern appearances is that her love for Sonic is heavily reduced with only IDW really acknowledging her love for Sonic. I don’t mind her becoming more mature though, as it feels more like as Sega is making her more mature and independent, they are actively removing her love for Sonic. In all fairness to IDW and Ian Flynn, he probably was just trying to stay consistent to Sonic Forces and continue from where that story left off, including the part where Amy’s love for Sonic wasn’t really a focus for her character. The only problem with it is that it’s never focused on in Forces, she just kinda becomes more mature off screen. When Forces should’ve put in more time to show the effects the war against Eggman had on the cast. And IDW Classic Amy, while is more capable than normal for some reason, she is more childishly obsessed with Sonic while her other traits are just portrayed well.
    I’ll also say, while I can enjoy her obsession over Sonic, a problem I had with it was that it was constantly was her main personality trait while her other traits were pushed to the side or made not as common. She became a stereotyped version of herself. So while I don’t want her to become just the independent female of the group stereotype, I also don’t want her to be less obsessive than Sonic X Amy or 2000s Amy. Especially if we are supposed to be going through an arc we never seen apparently. I mean, Ian Flynn is the type of guy who wants to keep continuity and consistency, even with the bad character writing.
    In all fairness Gens’ rewrite doesn’t really remove her love for Sonic, just reduces it. As she still tries to tackle hugging Sonic before Sonic ignores her trying to give him cupcakes. Their dynamic hadn’t changed when he saves her aside from Amy’s obsessiveness being slightly reduced in her dialogue, her animations honestly still gives her a feeling that she loves Sonic, and her hub world dialogue hadn’t changed at all. If Sega’s goal was to remove Amy’s love for Sonic Gens, they did a horrible job as you still get the feeling that she loves Sonic.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      And that should tell you something when her love for sonic in the generations re-write isn't removed... meaning maybe Sega isn't planning to remove her love for sonic.

    • @quickup7530
      @quickup7530 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@JakeThehedgehog-m1xIts removed. Its not Sega's idea its the new DEI policy at Sega

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@quickup7530 WTF...stop spitting nonsense

  • @KingOmegaZyro
    @KingOmegaZyro หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Okay, after watching the whole video, I understand now. Yeah, Amy needs her charm back before she becomes super generic

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@KingOmegaZyro oh wow. Thanks for watching the hole video. I'm happy you have such a reasonable and understanding response.

  • @Team_AWFUL
    @Team_AWFUL หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:54 There i am Gary! There i am

  • @gameyfirebro9645
    @gameyfirebro9645 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    9:25 its more likely than not that Sonic Movie 3 is gonna do it all over again.

  • @EvieRawlings
    @EvieRawlings หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    9:19
    NEVER FORGET!
    Hopefully Sonic 3 will do something different instead of just passing on her speech to another character… again 😔

  • @rownakafza1341
    @rownakafza1341 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Real. I miss fangirl amy😿

  • @ORLY911
    @ORLY911 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think Frontiers definitely hurt her character a bit, as it straight up reversed her personality _and_ crush character trait. She has no energy and feels like she lacks initiative, which is the opposite of what she was in Adventure. In fact, what they've done with Amy lately is just a worse version of Adventures arc.
    The IDW comics do sprinkle in her feelings for Sonic here and there rather than outright say it doesnt exist, like the Generations rewrite try to do. Honestly I think the rewrite is a travesty. Yes, the original story was mid, but they just replaced mid with mid that tried to undo a character trait people associated with the character, in a game thats almost 15 years old. Why even bother at that point? The bio change should've only added info, not take away.

    • @GatorOne-in7hk
      @GatorOne-in7hk หลายเดือนก่อน

      Frontiers had a darker and more somber tone, it made sense for Amy to act the way she did. Sonic, Tails and Knuckles behaved much the same in that scenario.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@GatorOne-in7hk you think people will understand? No absolutely not.

    • @nightlydata2181
      @nightlydata2181 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      agreed. I'm glad someone else sees frontiers amy's arc is jus adv 1 but worse. same thing wit all the characters really

    • @nightlydata2181
      @nightlydata2181 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GatorOne-in7hk yet the jp script kept amy more like herself despite that

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nightlydata2181 i think you are discrediting the english version bit too much look if you don't like the english version that's fine but i don't think amy was inherently out of characters in the english version and she was abit more in-line in with her characterizations from SA1,2 more or less..yes i know it's not perfect but i don't think it's bad either you could make an arguement that her lines in japanese version was better which..that's true in some areas it's better than english specially the ending of her arc granted...but the very tone and characterizations of amy both in japanese and english is pretty much the same she's still down to the earth and barely shows any affection towards sonic and mostly focused on the kocos like it's pretty much the same more or less..

  • @rewriter3981
    @rewriter3981 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just beg shes in sonic 3 😭 atleast a post credit cameo or main role

  • @Jenny-h9b8l
    @Jenny-h9b8l หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Omg thank you! I'm always glad to see more positivity surrounding my favorite hedgehog😊 I personally don't mind her character maturing and changing, but it feels less like a natural progression of her character, and more like a forced removal of anything that could be critisized. I think around the 2010s a lot of female characters were being critisized for stereotypes and tropes that could be harmful, especially for a younger demographic. But I think a lot of writers, instead of trying to explore how to make character traits less problematic (which is subjective anyways), writers just defaulted to making female characters sterile, generic "role models" to the point where they become unrelatable and uninteresting. As well as Sonic fans constantly hating on her for being annoying. I'm a young woman and I loved amy growing up. I found her to be a kind, passionate, powerful role model, even if she didn't always have the best control over it. I mean she's teen(?) girl-hog, of course she's not going to be perfect! When i was a teen I had crushes, was annoying and a little bratty at times. Female characters don't need to be flawless, and amy could definitely grow while keeping her traits. Even though boom amy is a whole different story, I really liked how they gave her an admiration for sonic, without her constantly throwing herself at him.I really wish current sonic could find a good balance, without feeling like they need to make her "just one of the guys" lol. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Damn, what a deeply nuanced, and reasonable take lol. Amy has always had her character criticized by many people, but I feel like the way Sega has fixed it was by overcorrecting, rather than adding more layers to her. I'm an aspiring writer myself, and one of the key ways in which you can make a character more interesting is either by giving them development over time or by creating more depth for them.
      And I think THATS the mistake Sega made ultimately. They tried to give her development without necessary giving her depth, which makes her less unique imo.

  • @FrostclawTheGatomon
    @FrostclawTheGatomon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    See, guys?
    This is what happens when you force SEGA to change Amy after her writing from English Sonic X and '06.
    Now you're gonna have to do more forcing to make Flynn bring back her brat personality.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There's no way ian gonna do that plusbwhy do we want her revert back to her sonic X self personality again?

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think right now it's best to just balance her character out a middle ground between her maturity and her fangirl/spunkiness like they did in IDW and murderer of sonic the hedgehog frontiers almost nailed it it by showcasing her compassion, caring-nature and love-showing characteristics of her but the spunk is missing..and I think it was because of the somber tone of the game and the stakes were kinda high and...yeah it makes sense why would she be so down to the earth like...for god sake she just witnessed the death of two kocos!! so of course she wouldn't be bubbly in that situation like situation-wise it makes sense...you have to acknowledge the context of the game aswell.
    And that's why I disagree with you with ((she's nothing in that game with no personality)) I heavily disagree she may not be bubbly in that game due to the situation she was in that game she still had some of her qualities from the adventure games her compassion, caring-nature and love-showing and heck even her optimism has been shown thanks to the final horizon characteristics of her character or when she defended sonic when sage talking BS about sonic like something similar in 06 with silver like...yeah she still had some of her old character traits from past games in frontiers like...call me crazy but when I was watching the cutscenes with Amy in frontiers I felt like I was watching adventure Amy in the cutscene but the difference is that she's abit more matured and grown up over time like...call me crazy but idc that's how I legit felt about Amy in frontiers.
    But if you still not convinced and still dislike the current characterization of modern Amy that's fine I understand I just wanted to give my own piece of my mind about this.
    6:51 also in IDW issue 2 she out loud said she loves sonic what are you talking about?
    9:22 speaking of compassion how the hell did you missed her compassion trait in frontiers when she was helping the kocos?

    • @FrostclawTheGatomon
      @FrostclawTheGatomon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don't think he read the whole IDW series.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FrostclawTheGatomon yeah...not everyone reading the comics becuase some fans are just play the games and they kinda missing out alot of stuff good thing i did otherwise i would've had the same perspective.

  • @peckneck2439
    @peckneck2439 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    We went from a completely obsessed lunatic that would sacrifice the entire world for Sonic according to herself in Sonic 06, to borderline feminist who literally doesnt' even show that she loves sonic anymore and treats him as just good friend. Like, was it really THAT difficult to make Amy her own character WITHOUT taking away love for sonic? Why is that we went from one extreme to another? Why couldn't we just balance her character properly? Make her closer to how she is now, but allow her to casually flirt with sonic too. It's OKAY for amy to be in love with Sonic just don't take it to such absurd lengths as before.

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This. She was really defanged not just in the crush angle but she lost her fun hot temperedness too. I dont think anyone wants her to be like her Heroes persona, i think most people just want a spunky amy who now and then makes a cute comment about Sonic. Rather than the stick in the mud she kinda was in Frontiers. the IDW comics do occasionally do this but not often. Game wise thats completely absent.
      Boom Amy got it right.

    • @ThePaimonGuy
      @ThePaimonGuy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wanna say I just LOVE your comment, I agree with it sooo much. Too bad the best I can do is like it

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      IDW

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That line from ‘06 is taken heavily out of context (like with most of Amy’s dialogue). She said that because a time traveler she really doesn’t know or understand just tried to kill the boy she loved. She says that because she doesn’t believe for a second that Sonic would directly end the world. It’s an expression of her faith in Sonic: he would never end the world, and if he made some sort of mistake that would bring the end of it, she believes he’d do everything in his power to fix it. Amy is not, and has never been a character who would sacrifice people just for Sonic.

    • @ThePaimonGuy
      @ThePaimonGuy หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hewasnumber1 Sorry but dies that mean she won't let someone get killed for Sonic? I'm confused

  • @Total_Malarkey
    @Total_Malarkey 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amy’s character used to be fun and energetic. Nowadays it seems like she took 5000 mg of weed because she’s so low energy.

  • @mizv4043
    @mizv4043 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    let her have a a decent personality but ditch the sexist stalker fangirl angle. I dont think this is the end of changes for her since the others are not done changing. They acknowledge that the past portrayal of her is canon and that she has grown as a person. Considering her age shes still trying to figure out who she is. At the same time shes realized that her behavior in the past was cringy and offputting and even selfish at time and shes unsure how to temper it while not alienating someone she has affections for. thats where we're at now. The one thing they should do to make things a lot less problematic when it comes to her beavior and intentions is age her up. a 12 year old girl doing stuff like this and a 16 year old reciprocating to a degree is not a healthy dynamic

  • @Charliehotdog79
    @Charliehotdog79 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Although I liked Amy's performance in Frontiers, I really do miss her old personality, pre Generations. I think Sonic X's Amy interp was pretty good, but as you said, Adventure's Amy was probably the best version of her.

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    11:18 mf they didn't even removed it!! the issue with this video is that...there's no substance to it like it just says how good old amy was without even taking the time to actually research her new characterization like there's more into her...and mischaracterize her new characterization alot.

  • @nermax7022
    @nermax7022 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Disliked the video the moment you whined about right wingers complaining about the same things you are literally complaining about right now just for being right wingers.
    Also, that was just unnecessary and didn’t bring anything of value to the video lol.

  • @callibor3119
    @callibor3119 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s not Amy, it is Sonic. Amy didn’t show love for Sonic just for “first sight” reasons and she has shown that she has let go of past tendencies to improve that she can handle any situation even without Sonic.
    Her flaws are that she has allowed herself to grow some of Sonic’s impatience and even take some of her own characteristics away from herself.
    Sonic is the one that has shown time and again that he is not always good at doing things by himself. And Frontiers all the other years of Sonic’s adventures have been proof of that.
    Hence, all things Sonic is canon. Even the most vulnerable moments in his life is canon. And Frontier shows that this is the most vulnerable Sonic has ever been.

    • @quickup7530
      @quickup7530 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is a big age gap between Sonic and Amy

    • @callibor3119
      @callibor3119 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@quickup7530 Can’t be if they’ve already lived beyond the years to be couples. They are just young for a lot longer than in real world time. They look not their age, but they are that if you go by the years that has already passed.
      1991 is when they first began to have an age and they have stuck to that age longer than the anniversaries themselves.
      I mean, Classic Sonic is the oldest Sonic in the franchise right now and still acts like he is a teen. Every iteration of Sonic is younger within each and every new title, except the first.

  • @seanalailima5929
    @seanalailima5929 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Coincidentally Knuckles, Shadow, and Blaze are the Camelot knights.

  • @GODZILLA2915
    @GODZILLA2915 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    While I’m aware the quality of writing from Sega varies through the years, Amy in Frontiers felt flat compared to the others.
    Shortly after that game, Sega released that murder mystery game where Amy was more lively. True it was mostly a game to her knowledge, but she did show her love of Sonic a bit after being saved by him.
    Not only that, in the IDW comics where Amy was first introduced, she was still flirty and lively with Sonic, and that was without the one big issue with her, that being the ‘no personal space.’
    I admit, I don’t know much about IDW after that, not even Archie. So I can’t really criticize or vouch for anyone.
    But still, what Sega really need to do is get not just her writing, but everyone’s character straight. Focus on what makes them unique while still making them feel alive and make sure any growth remains. Like for Amy, remove the pushy part but keep her anger side.
    Love him or hate him, they can’t rely on Flynn forever.

  • @seanalailima5929
    @seanalailima5929 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amy is more of a Pauline who is coincidentally voiced by Tails' actress prior to his current, Kate Higgins.

  • @ChaoticMarinMusic
    @ChaoticMarinMusic หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every time I hear Frontiers' voice acting it weird me out. (I am not used to it at all) Anyway, I can't help but feel that you've missed a significant part of why people were begging for Amy's character to change. It's not the damsel in distress trope. It's not her love interest. It's the fact that she spent over 10 years getting the Meg Griffin treatment. (The writers don't know what to do with her, so they just dunk on her and disrespect her for laughs) Like yeah, if you go back far enough you get a great character more often. But she hasn't been that way for a REALLY LONG TIME.
    So you get past 2007 or so ... and then you mostly just have really sad or questionable interpretations of her from then on out until Frontiers, with Forces being hot garbage and character assassination to the extreme. So when you see people really grateful for this change, you have to understand that where she was before this, was REALLY REALLY BAD. Much worse than where she is now, even if it has some flaws. Forces ... well, I don't have to tell you how horrible that game's writing is I'd happily read Ken Penders' work over that steaming pile of edgy fanfiction tier garbage. And then you had Boom, where she was a cynical interpretation of a socialite and reality itself would warp around Amy just so other characters could dunk on her she was hated so much. Everyone in that show including the writers hated her and it's not even subtle they did several gags where that was the explicit punchline. I can accept your criticism that her love interest is a bit too toned down, but her character was on a death bed before this. It really could not have gotten much worse without her getting written out of new games entirely.
    Ian Flynn actually seems to care about her a lot. Which ... hopefully... means a brighter future for fans of her.

  • @carlosbleu7396
    @carlosbleu7396 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amy is almost useless in SA2 (the prison scene could have easily replaced with Tails) but I recongnize the Shadow scene is at least efficient.

  • @jamestolbert1856
    @jamestolbert1856 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:52 he also has to learn to be independent from Sonic and doesn’t have to be dependent on him for everything

  • @thesoniczone11
    @thesoniczone11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The best portrayal of Amy's character, ever, is Sonic Heroes. Specifically, that specific game, is where Amy's character is at its peak and is a perfect follow up to her story in Sonic Adventure 1. All the hate that portrayal of Amy gets is entirely disingenuous.

  • @foxeygamer87sonic
    @foxeygamer87sonic หลายเดือนก่อน

    In 2024 Amy's getting more mature

  • @Kujaguy
    @Kujaguy หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm sorry, I really don't miss "Yandere" Amy at all. I really prefer the new portrayal of her being the heart of the team (like she was in Sonic Adventure 1/2). She's not really a fighter... she's usually the one to talk it out first before resorting to violence, and that makes her a special kind of heroine, IMO. I really didn't like her being defined by her weirdly violent attachments to Sonic, so her character portrayal in Sonic Heroes or Sonic Battle really rubbed me the wrong way.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you are right about one thing she really is the heart of the team but she's definitely a fighter aswell.

    • @Kujaguy
      @Kujaguy 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x Name a game that Amy is in that focuses on her fighting abilities. No, fighting games do not count.

  • @gamingtails1992
    @gamingtails1992 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:01 'yeah this games story was poorly written'
    me: are you oblivious to the thousands of reused models in the background or something? the game honestly feels like it was made with a budget of -1 dollars

  • @RodrigoNROfficial
    @RodrigoNROfficial หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Why do people hate amy being in love with sonic? Is that a problem?
    Modern Hollywood already wants to take away every romantic love female characters got for male characters, why we can't have romance once again in modern media?

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      1.We never...hated her being in love with sonic the problem was that back in 2000's this was pretty much her only character trait with the exception of 06 and unleash and SA2 she's actually decent to good but this one-note potrayal for her character at first it was cute and funny but not only it got stale but it got progressed to get worse and worse and flanderized her character and peaked at free riders ☠️ they gone Abit too much with it there should be a balance..she was mishandled alot.
      2. They are just maturing her character and flesh her out while still keeping her love for sonic and her spunkiness.

    • @RodrigoNROfficial
      @RodrigoNROfficial หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x that's not what seems to be, aparently people aways talk about amy's love like it was a bad thing and it's tone is aways negative

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RodrigoNROfficial there's need to be a balance...with here characteristics not just being a sonic simp and go overboard with it to be her singluar note.
      And not watered down her love for sonic and spunkiness although...to be fair frontiers did showed her caring-nature, compassion and love-showing characteristics of her like she had in the adventure games while I did liked her characterization in frontiers but that spunk was missing frontiers almost nailed it but IDW and murderer of sonic the hedgehog did it better.

    • @GatorOne-in7hk
      @GatorOne-in7hk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude, Amy literally said out loud to Sonic that she loved him in IDW issue 2, and right before she said it she sighed longingly while blushing, she is very clearly still in love with him. Is it really that hard to accept that she’s moving forward as a character and embracing new traits? Sure, she could and absolutely should be more energetic, but this stalker-like fangirl persona needed to be dropped. Have you ever played Sonic Battle? In that game’s story her obsession with Sonic was taken way too far to the point where she thought Emerl was Sonic telling her he wanted to have kids with her. She’s freaking 12 years old. 🤦‍♂ I’ll gladly take this more subdued and mature Amy over that lunatic.

    • @RodrigoNROfficial
      @RodrigoNROfficial หลายเดือนก่อน

      @GatorOne-in7hk the other guy in the replies already explained everything, i already understood the idea

  • @Lakenalya
    @Lakenalya หลายเดือนก่อน

    this video is so great on so many different levels, you’re underated!

  • @mooseman3027
    @mooseman3027 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Alright, I'm just gonna come out and say it: We need to agree to disagree guys. There's so much widespread debate about Amy's modern characterization, it's crazy. She's now the most polarizing received modern Sonic character ever (granted, she's always been like that but now she's more than ever before). Here's why she's not as bad as people say (for me at least). Well, yes, her modern characterization is less plunky, perky, and cheerful than her past self, but that shouldn't be a bad thing necessarily. Her constant obsession with Sonic was a little extreme in the Dreamcast era sometimes. Like the time she tried to physically assault Sonic simply to marry her in Sonic Heroes (that was really bad), and I think her being less stalky and more calm around Sonic allows for maturity on her part. Sure, it detracts from her old character, but at the very least, she is maturing as a person (or should I say, hedgehog). Human beings in real life do the exact same thing. We may have quirky, obsessive tendencies in our early years, but we gain more maturity over those years and slowly but surely gain more room to grow. Ian seems to be showing us that with her and some may not see it. I would like something new for her character, yes, but I think her being less of a bother to Sonic sometimes is good. It shows personal growth. Also, one more thing. It's not worth it to criticize characterization anymore really. The reason Sonic and Tails' characters fell flat in Colors and Lost World is because of Pontac and Graff's know-nothing writing. And since both of them have quit the series, most of the characters besides her have gone back to their original selves as of Frontiers. If you want an example, Tails began to notice his own flaws and Sonic consoled him. Nice! One isn't gonna hurt much. And anyway, no matter the character change, no matter the bad story or character arc, I will always love this franchise no matter what.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      Besides...she still love sonic and has that spunkiness bruh just look at in IDW.. she's just matured but still has her spunk and cheerfulness

    • @mooseman3027
      @mooseman3027 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Yep. Couldn't agree more. Since Ian Flynn said the IDW comics are canon, Amy still technically is her old self, just more grown up. Like how I have my old self in me, but have matured. Growth is a part of life.

    • @nightlydata2181
      @nightlydata2181 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sonic never had a problem wit how amy was. He like it. She kept him on his toes & he always had fun. Also sonic inherently isn't much of a hugger to begin wit. He's not the touchy feely type so he doesn't often get physically intimate so when Amy who doesn't hold herself back & is very affectionate or smothers him at times or is jus intense it throws him off. But sonic likes to be thrown off so he enjoys it. He wouldn't want her to be this borin husk. Also she never tried to assaults sonic for marriage in Heroes. Her entire team went after sonic cus he was their only lead to findin their missin friends. He was literally seen draggin them around in the newspaper amy was readin. The marriage thing was a joke meant to signify how Amy will prove herself capable of keepin up wit sonic so he'll pay attention to her more & was horribly portrayed in the localization for the game

    • @mooseman3027
      @mooseman3027 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nightlydata2181 I never saw that marriage thing as a "joke", I honestly saw it as a legitimate thing she wanted. And if that is actually the case than that's just dumb. But my statement still stands as to how people change, you can have obsessive tendencies and grow as a person. Also, like I've stated, Amy is still herself, just not as much of it in the games. More or less in the IDW comics, which are, canon to the games.

    • @nightlydata2181
      @nightlydata2181 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @mooseman3027 the comics do not matter. The games r the main thing & that's wut is bein discussed(not that u're even right). The whole game plays off all the stupid altercations as a joke. Rouge literally looks at the chaotix & assumes they're against her in some way. The whole thing is stupid & played as a joke. The structure of the game basically meant maekawa had to make up stupid reasons for y the characters fought in universe & he knew the whole thing was dumb so he made it 1 big joke. He states things alludin to this himself. Amy didn't "grow" tho she's jus a diff character. She alr grew from adv 1 to heroes a lot. It's crazy how eng lost world has a better written & more accurate Amy than eng frontiers that's not good at all

  • @Thisguyonscreenrightnow
    @Thisguyonscreenrightnow หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think they would make a perfect Amy by combining the 2

  • @amatis26
    @amatis26 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You understand me perfectly :')

  • @infintebruh007
    @infintebruh007 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Personally really like Amy's character in Frontiers. She's more than a obsessed fangirl now. She still loves Sonic that will never change. But now she's a much better character than who she used to be.

  • @mediamuncher69
    @mediamuncher69 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But..But..But she likes sonic! So obviously she is annoying, right?!
    RIGHT!?

  • @Sydney_Angelyt
    @Sydney_Angelyt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    why so much stretched 4:3 footage?

  • @SuperSonicWarrior93
    @SuperSonicWarrior93 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m so glad I found this video. Let Amy continue to be madly in love with Sonic again. She’s madly in love with him, but he rejects her. I miss the cat and mouse dynamic between Sonic and Amy. Let’s bring that back.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh...hell no! Their dynamic in IDW/frontiers is much better.

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1xNope.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hewasnumber1 why? atleast their new dynamic is actually cute and have some chemistry to it

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ With Ian Flynn’s dialogue? Yeah, no. His characters don’t speak like people, let alone the teenagers these characters are supposed to be. There’s no chemistry to be found.

  • @Jaylobeans
    @Jaylobeans หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my opinion Amy was cooked from the start

  • @gn2677
    @gn2677 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:33 just to be clear we are NOT including free riders in this list right?

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I haven't seen much of that game, but from what I can tell, the gameplay and story mode are both dogsh*t correct? I think the cutscenes are literal slideshows if I remember.

    • @gn2677
      @gn2677 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ let’s just say Amy’s character there is why im kinda happy she moved on from Sonic Like in forces & frontiers not to say Amy’s character was bad before like you mentioned but but free riders Amy was kinda unbearable

    • @SugarMama98-qb2td
      @SugarMama98-qb2td หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gn2677 she is still in love with him, Stop making her love for sonic is a bad thing.😒👉

    • @gn2677
      @gn2677 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SugarMama98-qb2td I never said that her love for him is a bad thing I just said they handled it poorly in that one game

  • @DarkJanet
    @DarkJanet หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Amy needs to get over Sonic, and start vaping, smoking, and taking some CBD gummies to help her to get her mind off of him.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      🤣

    • @DarkJanet
      @DarkJanet หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Plexi.T Well, is that helpful?

    • @SugarMama98-qb2td
      @SugarMama98-qb2td หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@DarkJanetUgh!😒😑🙄

  • @elliotsturtplus340
    @elliotsturtplus340 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the main reason she’s like this is mostly them trying to copy boom Amy’s personality or take inspiration however unfortunately sega lacks the understanding on why boom Amy was good character

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@elliotsturtplus340 yeah honestly people act like boom Amy was this “mature calm women and game Amy should be like this” like no boom Amy is pretty stubborn , ignorant and kinda hypocritical lmao and that makes her fun she’s super funny in boom but she’s not liked cuase she’s fun , she’s liked cuase she’s mature

    • @elliotsturtplus340
      @elliotsturtplus340 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Winder_Storm hell the only thing I feel like they should’ve carried which they kinda did was the voice of boom Amy because her voice in free riders,gens and lost world was painful to listen too 💀💀💀

  • @charlenejordan6728
    @charlenejordan6728 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You take that back princess peach was useful in her own game and in super Mario bros wonder! But Honestly that was pretty cool video the best version of Amy rose which my favorite is got to be sonic adventure 1 and 2 SA2 is where they did Amy dirty the writers didn't know what to do with her so they just put her randomly cause she team sonic but will admit where Amy encourage shadow is pretty charming.but she did got the peak with sonic adventure 1 and honestly why could they keep that version Amy put in frontiers and SxS generations I'm not fan of Amy but I did like her be her self and that me smile but Amy from sonic x is sour and a annoying unlikeable I used to hated Amy action cause of this but honestly I can't lie when her fight sense when she really gets mad and start attacking is funny cool but still the worse version Amy but if they Sega do a spin off about Amy instead around having just sonic I'm mean come on sega I think the story should be Amy have to save sonic because that would help Amy personality and have growth and have feelings and really care and love sonic it's like a princess peach game idea but with Amy and adventure personality in my ideo and my opinion.

  • @TrashEater2729
    @TrashEater2729 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Think I'm getting too old for Sonic it's starting not to make any sense

  • @doctormodder
    @doctormodder หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How to fix this problem: Go back in time to the first Sonic game and stop America from ruining yet another Japanese franchise.
    That's right, go back in time to the first Sonic game and stop America from ruining another Japanese franchise.
    TBF tho, the 90s were fucking weird, thank God I was born 2 years into the new millennium.

    • @nightlydata2181
      @nightlydata2181 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if only we had a time machine

  • @drybonesmunchakoopas5143
    @drybonesmunchakoopas5143 หลายเดือนก่อน

    interesting

  • @windy3935
    @windy3935 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Damsel in Distress troupe is not "outdated" nor "bad". Believing so is just falling for and have no balls to stand up to modern and feminist brainwashing. The troupe is still relevant, valid, and realistic today. It's not something that can age. Also, that twitter guy clearly had a point. There is too much evidence to be oblivious against, including the war Japan is fighting against the US in relation to cultural, societal, etc matters across the gaming and entertainment industry. But you're obviously the type of guy who won't listen to this kind of thing.
    Since im here, might as well make some corrections lol. Tarot cards didn't "come out of nowhere". It's been there since the 90s but was just long unexplored. And Sonic Adventure was not remotely Amy's first time being playable in a Sonic game. She was selectable in a few games prior to it.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @windy3935 bruh, what does bro on about? "It's still relevant, valid, and realistic today." Do you perhaps happen to be friends with any kidnapped princesses as of lately? Also, the Twitter guys' "war" with the west influence on Japanese games is hilarious when you consider that all he constantly complains about is how much less clothing the women in his game used to wear 🤣. Like "oMg gUys. tIfFa'S bReSt sIzE is tOo sMaLl gUyS.", like bro, get a real problem to complain about. Why do you guys want game devs to sexualize minors so much ;_;?
      Also, it's clear from this comment that you have no serious interest in the art of writing as a whole. Because in general, even outside of petty politics, the damsel trope is agreed upon by many to be a boring, overdone, waste of a character slot that could be used to feature something far more interesting. I didn't say it couldn't be done right. It’s just usually lazy writing.

    • @windy3935
      @windy3935 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Plexi.T Even as a guy, you're speaking from a privileged position while being completely unaware of it. You obviously need a reminder that your good and relatively safe life is not reflective everywhere across the world, especially for females. I'm not about to get deeper into that, even moreso considering it's suppose to be common sense.
      Not even trying to be rude, but your entire argument reply is terrible. I don't think even you want me to answer that silly princess question seriously. For various reasons it's an utterly dumb point and argument to make. It's a bit funny too because you have no idea that some of my favorite products include strong female protagonists, like my all time second fav game series. You wouldn't know things like that though because your type have an obsession with making premature assumptions and generalizations off little or no compelling evidence on people.
      I clearly said Japan, not "twitter guys". And I don't care what else he talks about, im specifically speaking to ONE of his points. Believe it or not but yes even stupid people can have a valid point every now and again, so if that's the case then everything else they've said prior means absolutely nothing. Or a person can just be uninformed on x topics, but informed on y topics. Again, common sense that shouldn't need to be stated.
      That last paragraph is an insanely and literally stupid comment to make and conclusion to come to. Me merely stating there is still a place today to have damsels in distress in stories (you know even moreso in stories told with older timelines settings), something that irrelevant to your feelings is something that legitimately can't disappear, does not in the slightest equate to me "having no serious interest in the art of writing". Interesting to see you placing restrictions on art and people's artistic freedom though, nice double standard there. If you have objection to stories depicting damsels, as if it's whatsoever realistic to always depict empowered females instead, then the problem is undeniably with you. Having some fixed mindset that damsels are inherently problematic/bad is pure toxicity and of course ignorance. There's always a little prominent group somewhere against everything, that means nothing. What you said about being overdone and boring can very easily be said about the non-damsel depicted stories too. We've been continuously getting that across the entire entertainment industry for a long time, and outside your little bubble of those who love it, _a lot_ of people are sick of it. Which makes sense because on average they tend to be written poorly, to an extreme, or exist to push a political agenda.
      Eh, I don't remember hearing you say that, but what you definitely did say is it's "outdated", with further implication of how it's bad. Outdated is also not synonymous with "lazy". Damsel is not lazy by design, it's lazy by execution. There's a plentiful amount of lazy stories with independent female characters too BTW. Overall, your positions on both these portrayals is pretty poor and very one dimensional.

    • @windy3935
      @windy3935 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Plexi.T Even as a guy, you're speaking from a privileged position while being completely unaware of it. You obviously need a reminder that your good and relatively safe life is not reflective everywhere across the world, especially for females. I'm not about to get deeper into that, even moreso considering it's suppose to be common sense.
      Not even trying to be rude, but your entire argument reply is terrible. I don't think even you want me to answer that silly princess question seriously. For various reasons it's an utterly dumb point and argument to make. It's a bit funny too because you have no idea that some of my favorite products include strong female protagonists, like my all time second fav game series. You wouldn't know things like that though because your type have an obsession with making premature assumptions and generalizations off little or no compelling evidence on people.
      I clearly said Japan, not "t-guys". And I don't care what else he talks about, im specifically speaking to ONE of his points. Believe it or not but yes even stupid people can have a valid point every now and again, so if that's the case then everything else they've said prior means absolutely nothing. Or a person can just be uninformed on x topics, but informed on y topics. Again, common sense that shouldn't need to be stated.
      That last paragraph is an insanely and literally stupid comment to make and conclusion to come to. Me merely stating there is still a place today to have damsels in distress in stories (you know even moreso in stories told with older timelines settings), something that irrelevant to your feelings is something that legitimately can't disappear, does not in the slightest equate to me "having no serious interest in the art of writing". Interesting to see you placing restrictions on art and people's artistic freedom though, nice double standard there. If you have objection to stories depicting damsels, as if it's whatsoever realistic to always depict empowered females instead, then the problem is undeniably with you. Having some fixed mindset that damsels are inherently problematic/bad is pure toxicity and of course ignorance. There's always a little prominent group somewhere against everything, that means nothing. What you said about being overdone and boring can very easily be said about the non-damsel depicted stories too. We've been continuously getting that across the entire entertainment industry for a long time, and outside your little bubble of those who love it, _a lot_ of people are sick of it. Which makes sense because on average they tend to be written poorly, to an extreme, or exist to push a political ideologies.
      Eh, I don't remember hearing you say that, but what you definitely did say is it's "outdated", with further implication of how it's bad. Outdated is also not synonymous with "lazy". Damsel is not lazy by design, it's lazy by execution. There's a plentiful amount of lazy stories with inde. female characters too. Your positions on both these portrayals is pretty poor and very one dimensional.

  • @invadertak1001
    @invadertak1001 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The same sonic fans who hated Amy for being a love sick female counterpart for sonic are the same 'fans' who are complaining now that Sega is trying to do the right thing and move Amy's character away from that stereotype. This is a good thing because for the last 30 years Sega didn't know what to do with the character with the exception of one or two games.

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      but now she has nothing to set her apart from the other characters.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@ORLY911 yes she has y'all detractors just don't wanna shut up do ya? First complain about she's just an annoying Fangirl but now they are finally fleshing out her character now y'all say she's just boring and nothing this is just hypocrisy at this point! y'all just don't know what you want MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS ALREADY!!

    • @SonicSatamAnimations
      @SonicSatamAnimations หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1xNobody ever said they wanted her liking of sonic removed, what we wanted was for her to have _more_ character traits that where able to balance that obsession while keeping it there. What Ian Flynn did was erase her liking for sonic without adding any new characters traits. This was a loss it both worlds

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@SonicSatamAnimations they didn't...Ian flynn didn't erased her love for sonic if you read IDW issue 2-15 the issues he wrote he clearly wrote Amy loving sonic in those issues.
      Second of all he just don't want her love for sonic be her only singular note he said that in one of his bumblekast podcast episodes that what exactly Sega wanted to do with her character 30th October,2024 episode Ian flynn clearly explained Sega/sonic team wants to give Amy have some depth while still keep her love for sonic like that aspect of her character is here to stay the IDW comics proves that so your argument falls apart here.

    • @SonicSatamAnimations
      @SonicSatamAnimations หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x So he makes Amys character not only have one character trait by getting rid of it instead of adding new ones? And don’t say she “still loves sonic” this isn’t about love; it’s about a fangirl obsession and that trait has been objectively removed. Your supposed to *evolve* a character, not just outright change them when making depth. He shouldn’t have put down Amy’s obsession for sonic; he should have balanced it with her other old traits that have been hidden by the bad writing and time. That would have easily kept her still recognize while not making her a one personality singularity

  • @OmarAlikaj
    @OmarAlikaj หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I dunno what to tell you but, if you don't believe that there is war against the players, and other unexpected stuff like femininity, you hadn't read or heard the interviews or X posts (their intentions may have not been spelled out blatantly in said games in this case), or trace it back to "consultants" like Anita Sarkessian.

  • @megasonic364gaming6
    @megasonic364gaming6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Naw naw naw naw yall can’t turn back now you guys wanted her to change remember don’t change up it’s too late now bro

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The only people who wanted her to change was 2010's youtubers and journalists lmao. Most people in the fandom didnt complain about Amy outside of her Heroes personality, which was pretty awful but that was one game.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ORLY911 I'm pretty sure even the fandom didn't liked how she was handled in 2000's and they hated her...

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ORLY911Don’t get the hate for her Heroes characterization. She has one line where she jokes about forcing Sonic to marry her, similarly to what she did in SA2. People get way too up in arms over that line, and her characterization is much better in that game than people give it credit for.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hewasnumber1 heroes destroyed her character progression from adventure games.

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x How?

  • @AstonishingRedd-j9x
    @AstonishingRedd-j9x หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sega is partnered with a DEI company as of recently. And there are several "mandates" when it comes to depicting women.
    Its a big mess, but read up on it. Sega also Tweeted on this

  • @AquaVerve
    @AquaVerve หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    controversial take...They Didn't

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's not that controversial. Like I said, this is a debate amongst the fans currently, whether her new character is good or bad. I just think it's a little bit of an over-correction is all.

  • @WarriorKid_77
    @WarriorKid_77 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jesus loves you

  • @windows98alpha35
    @windows98alpha35 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ian Flynn is not the hero of the Sonic franchise. He's the poison. The black sheep. Nothing about him has provided any improvements or bonuses to the story of Sonic in either the games or the comics. To remove Amy's core character just because you think it's "problematic" for a woman and a man to love each other *_IN ANY FORM!_* Just screams to me you're not here to help, you're here to destroy and deconstruct. Get Ian out of the writing room. He's just as bad as Penders if not slightly worse.

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, geez 😅. I don't particularly have a problem with Ian Flynn. Besides his incessant need to spam references to other Sonic works for EVERY piece of dialogue. It makes the characters feel stiff and unnatural. I don't know what Ken Penders did again, other than have so weird controversy over copyright stuff.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ok...too much!

    • @FrostclawTheGatomon
      @FrostclawTheGatomon หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who do you want to write Sonic games? Jeff Nimoy, the Digimon Adventure writer?

  • @Nunubotz2
    @Nunubotz2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The sonic/Madona thing was scrapped because she was too similar to peach, in fact on the 90's wasn't strange when a cartoon fell in love with a stunning looking woman, since sonic is partialy based on the tex avery cartoons, and in cartoons like drooppy, red and the wolf, and woody wodpecker it happens a lot. Now that the tex avery cartoons are pretty much death this is seem as furry or strange but at the time it really wasn't heck drooppy in one movie sits in the lap of a real actress.
    now to me is very funny how amy is boring now, she was cartoonish now she is not lmao. She is sooooo boring since the others are least are dumb or coward or something.

  • @ataladin87
    @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These flynn fans like her frontiers Characterization are absolute filth to this franchise.

    • @Vior9
      @Vior9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Oh no, people have differing opinions, how dare we. Really making a case for your side, buddy.

    • @Kujaguy
      @Kujaguy หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Kinda degenerate to be calling people derogatory names over a children's franchise's cartoon hedgehog

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just shut up.

    • @Hewasnumber1
      @Hewasnumber1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Get used to it. New wave fans always ruin longstanding franchises by praising garbage changes.

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Vior9 they can have their opinions as long as their reasons make sense.
      In which most cases, they dont.

  • @Winder_Storm
    @Winder_Storm หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It’s always great to see people who understand this pink rat 🥹, this is such a great analysis of Amy , you did a phenomenal job 👍

    • @Plexi.T
      @Plexi.T  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @Winder_Storm Thank you so much. I thought that I would be one of the one people who "got her," but it seems I'm not alone.