God, Consciousness, and the Theories of Everything | Curt Jaimungal | EP 229
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- This episode was recorded on November 1, 2021.
In this episode, I discuss truth, God, science, and Curt’s documentary ‘Better Left Unsaid’ about the ramifications of left-wing politics going too far.
Curt Jaimungal is a Torontonian filmmaker and TH-camr @Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal, where he explores theoretical physics, consciousness, free will, and God-to name a few.
Check out Curt’s TH-cam channel
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And his documentary
betterleftunsaidfilm.com
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[00:00] Intro
[01:03] Noam Chomsky
[04:46] Central vs. radical left
[11:42] The political runaway feedback loop
[16:26] Self-deception
[22:57] Perception, Power, & Psychopathy
[28:26] On Dialogue
[31:36] Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, & Lawrence Krauss
[34:58] The Imitation Instinct
[39:24] Religious Depth
[42:36] Atheism, Dogma, & Perception
[47:29] Visual Perception
[50:17] Persistent Patterns
[53:16] South Park
[56:11] Sam Harris & Truth
[01:01:03] Mysteries of Math & Science
[01:05:09] Science in Religion
[01:06:10] Computation & Consciousness
[01:11:27] Jung I
[01:14:20] Ethics & Psychotherapy
[01:18:38] 'Better Left Unsaid'
[01:20:11] God & Responsibility, Defined
[01:25:07] Jung II
[01:30:43] Atheistic Scientists
[01:34:05] Defining God II
[01:39:29] Imitation & Worship
[01:40:00] Self-fulfilling Beliefs & Deceit
[01:47:33] Not Repeating Oneself
[01:48:31] Podcasting
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This was a wonderfully enjoyable conversation and I'm grateful for the opportunity to have participated in it. Thanks JP.
dude I just started following you and now this video pops up! Dude someday you need to get them all in a room together at the same time (JP, Joscha Bach, Robert Kuhn, Chris Langan, Donald Hoffman) it would be so epic!! :D
JP needs to speak to that English man I can’t mention on TH-cam. You know the one who has been writing about all this happening 30 years ago. You know his name and it’s not Goliath it’s his adversary.
Man you are hitting all the highs. Congrats.
Congratulations Curt, continue the great work!
@@splaz333 that's an astute observation
As a dishwasher of 6 years, it was nice for JP to acknowledge that it is extremely complex. In the restaurant business we are considered unskilled labor and get little respect for our contributions. So thanks JP, you made me smile this morning before I go in to do it again today.
Your comment caught my eye, because when JP said dishwashing was an extremely complex task, myself being in the computer and data communications field, the comment threw me into a thought experiment that made me realize, for instance, the massive amount of computing power required just to determine what is a dirty plate, and what is just the decorative pattern on the plate. That alone would require a massive bank of computers that have optic ability, robotics, and the programs coding would be damn near infinite. Bottom line is, kudos to all the dishwashers out there, thank you for your very complex abilities.
Just about anyone who does unskilled labour laughs at the managers, who for the life of them could NOT do our jobs. Not only that, we're the ones who make this world run!
I truly hate doing my own dishes, I'm very appreciative if I go out to eat that somebody is in a baking hot small back kitchen, getting wet, hot, on feet for hours And hours. Thanks for your service. In UK we don't tip.. not like USA... managers keep tips. I'd prefer to see the back staff, but they don't allow. Kudos to your hard work 👏
@@normanshadow1 A good manager is one that rises from workers, I meet some of them and they are truly one of the best, so your presumption is wrong. Also you presume what a manager job should be while you never being there so is equally true that you don't know. However a good manager is always good with people and his / her number one function is to manage people and if it lacks that, even if is a good worker and can take over your job in case of need, he is still a bad manager.
As a former dishwasher and currently still in the pits of food service - dishwashers are really what drive the industry.
Curt has shown the ability to talk about many different subjects at a high level and honestly it's shocking how well he can understand and discuss, well, the theories of everything.
He can easily keep up and even push back on professionals in almost every field. Dude deserves more recognition.
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Very interesting cross disciplinary questioning/perspectives have allowed them to tease out subtle information on universal insights. Peterson loves breaking arguments down to specificities in the definitions of language.
@@steveunderhill5935 Checking Bible facts, helps us to be humans instead of zombies.
I don’t agree perse. I saw him struggling to add anything to the conversation in the beginning.
@@liviamoraes2573 I personally interpreted his reticence in the beginning as him observing JP and his mannerisms, so that he would know when to interrupt and when to let him speak, which I observe he comes to excel at as the conversation progresses. I don't think I've ever seen an interviewee of JP's do that so well, they usually let Jordan talk all over them (as much as I love the man, he does tend to interrupt people too much and run off with his own ideas about things.) A very intelligent observer and thinker, in my opinion, Curt is.
Dr Peterson and Curt are good together. This was a great conversation.
"When you have to lie to keep supporting your position, you've gone too far." man, that's brilliant.
If you're up against a Lynch Mob it's a whole other ball game.. .
So l don't like these slogans...
@@Io-Io-Io but we can agree that lying to appease the lynch mob is wrong? Can we agree that a lynch mob that requires lies to avoid inflicting calamity upon others is inherently immoral?
@@michaelalan6459 No. Yes.
@@michaelalan6459 it depends on the situation- If they stand before you with their pitch forks and kill you if you don't say what they expect from you, you better say what they want. Once they're gone, you revoke your statement. Lynch mobs are obviously possessed by an evil spirit.
@@Io-Io-Io stay with your convictions
Am 21 years old and at times I don't even understand half of what you saying... But I still stay Infront of my screen and listen...just having the feeling that something's happening and I want to be there. Thank you very much for such podcasts
Keep learning
Give it a couple years and you'll be able to unserstand
You understand more than you think you do.
Don’t forget your life and experiences that should be happening sans screen!
Good for you.
I am on the left and I love Jordan Peterson! I think he is genuine, wise, compassionate and I could listen to him all day.
Could you explain what the left is in your own words - I'm hearing different definitions.
I’m a centrist. No left no right. All I know is social media has rotted honest dialogue and reason. Information for the masses relies on media barons directing editorial prerogatives and AI algorithmic permutations. If Jordan keeps a modicum of balance that will be amazing. I’ll keep listening to him for now.
@@LETSTALKENTERTAINMENT To me it’s not so much the centre that is being cancelled, but a nuanced view is. Or, in light of this conversation, people have a hard time dealing with complexity.
He has a very good point about the utility of the Left. They speak for the dispossessed when the hierarchies have become stagnant, corrupt, and tyrannical. It's (extreme) Leftist types (folks that can't rationally and reasonably be debated) that sabotage the reasonable, rational Left. He underscores that there is a psychological, temperamental, personality-based proclivity to be more left- or right- leaning. I was very much on the Left as a youth, now more center right, or center left, depending on the issue. He's a very eloquent thinker.
I do not see it being possible to be on the left and love Jordan Peterson. The philosophy that Jordan Peterson espouses is not at all genuine, wise, or compassionate from the point of view of the left. You can think Peterson is wise or you can be a leftist. One or the other. If you think you're both, then there's something you're not getting about at least one of them because they are not compatible.
This is the one time that I see Jordan genuinely challenged to think about things very deeply before he gives an answer and that is an accomplishment on itself Curt.
Time flies when you're having fun, I think you two should do a follow up on this video soon, clearly you're not finished talking on this topic and you left me the mother of all cliffhangers and I really want to see this conversation go on a bit more.
I learn so much from these conversations and I wish that I had someone in my life to talk about these kind of things at the level you two did in this video.
Thank you so much for sharing this on TH-cam Jordan.
Charismatics dazzle with their groovy personality cults, Rube.
Ahhhh imagine being able to sit and have a conversation like this with someone man it would be beautiful. Too bad people like this are needles in the haystack
You can always start a group on Facebook and invite people 😊👍
@@svetlanavanwyk5623 Christian sensationalism owns one billion Rubes. You must be very very proud.
No, he was set off balance by Noam Chomsky's narrow view as well as synthetic opinion.
Wow! Beautiful conversation! 🤯💭
Curt's end of the conversation was so impressive. The man is clearly asking the right questions, and bless him for it.
Brainwashing always dazzles the personality cults!
@@martinkent333 I feel enlightened for listening. Brain ✅washed✅
@@martinkent333 you seem obsessed with cults, Martin.
@@steveunderhill5935 Try reading a reliable national newspaper for reality and a doctor for delusions and paranoia, Jesus Freak. Like Duhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@steveunderhill5935 Just tell your medical doctor that you have delusions of invisible super-duper heroes and paranoia about invisible enemies and eternal hellfire. Just because law courts don't swallow this moose poo doesn't mean that you are a rube hustled by Christian hustlers, Cupcake. It might be aliens hustling you instead! I use Holy Water enemas myself and like to wear an altar boy costume and pout.
The level of revelatory quality in this dialogue is unprecedented. It's truly an honor and a blessing to listen and absorb this. Thank you to both of you.
Personality cults are so groovy!
@@martinkent333 nice to see you here. Glad your still hanging in there!
I've not heard of Curt, but he seems quite intelligent. What a fascinating conversation!
I had never heard of Curt before, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
Blessings
Curt’s channel is great. Much (most) of it is above my understanding. But he is so relatable.
Same he seems really intelligent
When you watch on rumble the documentary JFK to 9/11 everything is a rich man's trick you will see both Democrat and Republican are both Nazis... The Nazis were created to retaliate against the Russian people that beheaded the cousins of the British royals and took over the castle kicking them out and keeping them from traveling there. This was a retaliatory strike for them doing this they created Hitler with two purposes maintain the kingdom and get rid of populations in Russia Europe and all sorts of other places. Hitler was controlled by ☠️👁️💸
Why do you think Hitler invaded Russia in the winter! His whole purpose was to shut down communism because that's what he was controlled and told to do. Operation paperclip Nazi supposedly lose all the Jews instead of given homes back in their own countries are shipped out to a massive concentration camp in the desert called Israel!!! Anti-communism beliefs get pushed into America and now this is accepted by both sides that this is bad and Hitler wins an America is the new Nazi regime. Search for this documentary on TH-cam but you have to scroll for a long long time because they do not want you to see it but I'm rumbled it will be the very top video under that search term JFK to 911 everything is Rich Man's trick. It's almost 4 hours long just watch it.
That guy is pretty broad and smart. His own greatest critic, which is a bit troublesome, but it probably keeps him sharp
Check out his channel man. Really
Curt is bringing to TH-cam a whole lot of interesting conversations for us to learn from. In my book he is a hero. Thanks JP!
Totally agree
TOE is top tier TH-cam content.
@@josephhertzberg2734 Brainwashing is better than real experts? Mumbo Jumbo good, Tarzan?
@Y K Cuz freaks know?
@@cloud1stclass372 High-level brainwashing for the intellectually constipated?
Curt didn't want the conversation to end. 🤣
I din´t want the conversation to end :P
I did not want it to end either, because I thought if I waited long enough, I might get to hear from the "guest" instead of merely Jordan, for 90% of the time. Maybe Curt thought the same.
I just want to say thank you for changing my life. I've had a lot on my mind recently and I was a bit lost. I have a baby on the way and I'm just 20 years old and I believe I've found myself just listening to you and you've changed my perspective on things quite bit. I've decided to join the coast guard and my goal is to be a rescue swimmer and I've made that goal my purpose and to be able to provide in a immediate fashion and be the best father I can be I used to be quite scared and very unsure of myself and my future. I was afraid and constantly asking what if Im not going to be a good father for my child not anymore though I'm confident in my future and my own family's future now. All I can say is thank you for changing my life and changing millions of others lives. I'm not sure what kind of mental place I would be in without discovering you I'm eternally grateful I just hope you see this and realize what you have done for me and my future child.
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Personality cults always dazzle the dimwits with brainwashing!
@@martinkent333 if its brain washing then why waste your time hear palpitating. Let the lad breath man
@@kehindeakinlotan854 Cuz kids read this moose poo and believe it's valuable, Rube.
This is a very inspiring comment, may your journey as a father be a great one, wishing the absolute best future for you and your child.
I really enjoy how relatable and humble Curt is. When he was talking about his anxiety and not feeling well after the George Knapp and Colm Kelleher interview I knew exactly how he felt. Curt you're covering topics that MATTER to us right NOW. Whether it's UFOs, God, or the political divide, I appreciate all of the conversations you foster!!!
You have a time stamp? I must’ve missed it
@@nathanaelmorales760 I don't. It's the George Knapp Colm Kelleher interview and it's the very end after all questions are done. He was giving us an update and roadmap for the future and he got very candid about his feelings and how he's doing. He even mentions the situation with Linda Moulton Howe and that he apologized to her about her interview.
Cuz dimwits don't like facts?
@@Serpents_and_Doves Brainwashing is a beautiful thing!
Or is it:
You're doing what I want SOMEONE to do so i'll support YOU.
who knows? >.^
"If you limit yourself to saying nice things you can't really talk about anything at all" - Peter Thiel
Yes
No matter how benign your speech, your enemies will find a way to take offense.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing! Those who believe Jordan Peterson is hitler are the real hitler because they are threatened by what Dr Peterson stands for... The need to please everyone is the key to failure in everything... 🤗
When you watch on rumble the documentary JFK to 9/11 everything is a rich man's trick you will see both Democrat and Republican are both Nazis... The Nazis were created to retaliate against the Russian people that beheaded the cousins of the British royals and took over the castle kicking them out and keeping them from traveling there. This was a retaliatory strike for them doing this they created Hitler with two purposes maintain the kingdom and get rid of populations in Russia Europe and all sorts of other places. Hitler was controlled by ☠️👁️💸
Why do you think Hitler invaded Russia in the winter! His whole purpose was to shut down communism because that's what he was controlled and told to do. Operation paperclip Nazi supposedly lose all the Jews instead of given homes back in their own countries are shipped out to a massive concentration camp in the desert called Israel!!! Anti-communism beliefs get pushed into America and now this is accepted by both sides that this is bad and Hitler wins an America is the new Nazi regime. Search for this documentary on TH-cam but you have to scroll for a long long time because they do not want you to see it but I'm rumbled it will be the very top video under that search term JFK to 911 everything is Rich Man's trick. It's almost 4 hours long just watch it..
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler ele esta sempre procurando se safar . que fechar os olhos para realidade . as mascaras deles ja cairam . comprovadamente . lá em Israel intende os fatos sabe bem como e um campo de concentração aquele e um povo vivido ja passaram por isso morreram muitos em 1943 hitler ate 1945 . foi o povo que mais morreram . em campos de concentração#
"We have to stop lying" Thats all that needs to be said! Beautiful!
Curt did so well in this podcast - his thinking is very in the moment while also being concise enough to follow. He lays out big questions without rambling, which is hard to do!
You are dazzled by cheesy brainwashing?
@@martinkent333 find a hobby, Martin
@@martinkent333 If you can do better, which I seriously doubt, why not start your own podcast or TH-cam channel?
@@mkaberli Punch my name and see what happens when sensationalism is ignored by me. Jordan is adored by many - by being a total psychopath, Cupcake.
Great job Dr. Peterson. Curt is a top tier guest and has an exceedingly brilliant attitude to new ideas.
Yes he does! Inspiring human!
@@Field-Person Brainwashing is fun for rubes!
God and consciousness are my two favorite subjects to discuss. I cant even explain how satisfying it is to listen to this conversation. I have spent most of my thinking on these topics. Thank you both.
@messenger ministries Sure buddy, the guy who is speaking against NWO orders and did a whole lecture on Genesis and explained how amazing Christianity is for humanity is surely a deceiver
Mr Peterson, your skill and integrity to reason through ideas is amazing to watch. I turn of most conversations around the world when I see emotion interfere with a theory. When I was a young man (50 now) I hated the world and especially authority and those doing well financially. In my young mind, I came up with a solution for my problem. I am a big man and very talented in the fighting arena around my circles, I was thinking one day that I am capable of taking by force anything I want, I wasn't worried about the Law. The one thing that stopped me and eventually changed me to the man I am today was that I believed in a power that was bigger then me and the world, not only was that power bigger then me, the consequences of any negative actions I do, will carry on for me past my time on this earth. I am a very gentle man these days and work with people with violent backgrounds and trauma in all areas. I am this way because i have changed for the bigger picture not what this world currently values. I have found many men from violent traumatic backgrounds, reason these very concepts as a definition of purpose in this world. Thankyou
It seems to me you have taken on a heavy load, just getting people to be willing sit down, and then to listen, and then to open up and talk, that is an almost insurmountable task, and I suspect an immense amount of frustration, but incredibly rewarding and fulfilling. Having been where they are now would have to be your biggest asset, which goes to show your biggest failings can turn out to become your greatest strength. You make me feel a bit envious, I'm 56 and yet to find a worthy path in life, I'm still searching through.
Does that mean your a Christian? If not I was curious what specifically the higher power is that you mentioned. God Bless
@@jasonlambert2226 Not sure if you were asking me? I'm going to answer anyway. I was christened a Roman Catholic, but at the age of five I was put on a bus in Booraloola Northern Territory by myself to Alice springs Northern Territory. When I went to church, I learnt many things, two of those things were, the massive statue of Jesus and thou shalt not bow down to a craven idol, I thought "that's hypocritical" yes, at 5. I have settled on something like on Star wars, after looking at the Annunaki and seeing what they done gene splicing us, yes they made us who we are, but I believe there is a universal deity that is way bigger than most people can conceive.
I'd love to see a weekly stream with these two. I don't understand most of what's being said but oddly find it riveting! Thank you Prof. Peterson!
I listened to this wonderful conversation while I was on a long brisk walk with my dog today… My dog kept looking at me as if wondering if I was losing my mind… as I kept bursting out-loud with “Yes!”, “Exactly!”, and several “Oh man!”. In the 5+ years of listening to your lectures, discussions, debates and interviews, this felt like the most articulate conversation on many of the topics of greatest interest to this old guy. Thank you for what you have done, for what you are doing and for staying the difficult course. I hope you are as blessed as you have blessed me, really.
Isn't it strange how people can differ so greatly? I hate dogs. They give the shits. They cause panic attacks and stress. If I see a dog walker or hear a dog barking I'll often have a complete meltdown and I'll feel ill for hours after. Wearing noise cancelling phones 24/7 helps as does valium but I'm basically a prisoner in my own home... yet you choose to walk a dog? I don't understand the attraction of dogs?
I need a shirt that says: “ It’s not that bloody obvious!”
On the back says, "at aaall"
@@martinburrows6844 ya kno?
Lol
🤣😂🤣
The deeper I listen to this kind of conversation It become more interesting and makes you nod in every point.
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Conversations like this articulate what many of us already know. I guess that's why it feels powerful and enlightening.
It's awesome that we have the privilege to see and hear great minds talk.
ToE is my favourite podcast by far. Thank you for this conversation.
One of the more deeply fulfilling conversations I have had the pleasure of having access to in a long time. I love being a fly on the wall in these moments. Hopefully these two will meet up again soon and share it with us. What an amazing time we live in
Personality cults are so groovy! Love the Kool-Aid!
@@martinkent333 all the negative comments on here share a common theme. All-knowing, bitterness, belittling and lame usage of sarcasm. It's almost guaranteed. Just scroll through and read others, bud. You sound like a miserable lot and don't sell your brand of thought very well.
Phenomenal conversation!!! Two of my favorites. 🙏 thank you
One of the best conversations I've heard. Had to rewatch and stop multiple times to take notes... Amazing!
I thought I was the only one doing that. I kept on writing, rewinding the video, pause, write and play.... this was a lecture and a half.
Yay! Two of my FAVORITE people together! 🤗 I didn't see this coming. I've been so distracted by world events. What a welcome surprise! I look forward to hearing this conversation. Thanks, guys! You are wonderful. 💔🙏🏽🕊️
I know what you mean about world distractions my friend, since there's so Many going on sadly.. Sometimes we All need to "Disconnect" from the world.
But at least we have a nice, interesting conversation to listen to though. 👍
Godspeed to You n your's my Friend, since there's going to be Far worse time's coming among us All, n to mankind on our Beautiful planet.
Since it's only the Beginning.. 😥
Excellent timing, Ty Professor J.Peterson since we All learn something new everytime there's a discussion. 👍👍
Godspeed to you All my Friend's.
Big fans of you both. That was one of the most enjoyable podcasts that I have heard. Excellent conversation. I hope there will be a part 2 at some stage.🖒
Personality cults always dazzle the halfwits!
A most interesting conversation. Thank you for this food for my soul. One of the best I’ve heard. Really thought provoking.
Curt has been killing it the past year or two.
Very excellent conversation
This is one of the best podcasts iv ever listened to. Maybe THE best (imo ofc). I will definitely be following this guest’s progression. Remarkably similar to Jordan Peterson in at very least his potential. And with differing perspectives too. Gives me hope during this time of intense hopelessness. Simply brilliant
Wooo it's nice to see young thinkers that will be there to carry the torch forward. Really get the feeling from both that it's less about finding answers but realizing we need to ask questions and challenge complacency.
Two of my favorite philosophers having an amazing conversation.
Very much enjoying Curt’s attitude and thought processes. What a beautiful thinker.
Okay, so I listened to this twice in a row. At no point during this conversation was I NOT experiencing an overall feeling of "...what is happening right now?!" This was inspired by the divine, as was the Gospel.
Well not a damn thing they talked about meets Sceintific Merit...Hell I'm not sure what the hell they were discussing..It's Psycho Babble..
Why you ask? Because the Affect can never be Greater then the Cause. That is an Axiom in the Scientific Method of Discovery..So to get Mind. The Universe needs the traits to Create Mind. Feelings, Emotions, Music, Art etc....You tell me the Universe can. I will laugh in your face so hard. As it's not Testable, Observable, Repeatable. Anywhere in the Universe.
So these two are second rate. When it comes to Meta Physics. Higher Dimensions. The concept of an Outside Agency. God, Creator. It's above them...
To quote Spock...
How do you Feel?
I don't understand the question....
Why you don't have to be religious. To spot people that live their lives under the rules of Situational Ethics. Which is dangerous. As long as I mean well. It's ethical and moral. Up too and including Murder. Why we have Laws, Standing Armies, Jails, Prisons, Police. etc...As they would kill us all and burn it all down.
@@WizzRacing @Up2NoGood honestly, if youre going to criticize these guys for being second rate and spouting psycho babble, you should probably articulate yourself a bit better while doing it. This argument is all over the place, im not even sure what your counter argument is here. Also, the random capitalizations dont help.
@@dylandecesare2652 Well let me make it easy for the Short Bus Riders.
Can the Effect be Greater then the Cause?
Does the Universe have the Traits to create Mind?
What Mechanism Allows it? As you only have the Four Fundamental Forces in Nature. That cause an Action or Something to Move...
If that is too hard to comprehend. No wonder you're confused. You been robbed of an Education. As Analytical Thinking is required to start with..
Maybe punch your teachers in the stomach. Then ask the Schools for a Refund.
I will wait, while you fumble around for an answer...
@@WizzRacing ok, we get all of that, sorta. Because youre hardly articulating your claim. Still havent made clear what it is you are refuting. Still capitalizing letters at random. Maybe you should punch your English teacher because your grammar is second rate.
@@WizzRacing Best you work on your humility.
Thankyou so much guys these conversations feed the soul, they are so valuable. Even more valuable is the word of God itself 🙂
I always hoped that Jordan would have a talk with Ken Wilber. I don't know how Ken's health is but it certainly would be a delight for me to listen these two giants of integral thinking converse.
Better left unsaid is a very informative and balanced documentary , it has been heavily suppressed by big tech so the people that really need to see it will unfortunately , never see it.
Is this on TH-cam or elsewhere?
@Conner Cox I just tried linking it there , but of course, the TH-cam overlords removed the link in under 30 seconds.
@BROADKAST...AND THAT IS SO F*****D UP OF YOU TUBE.
IT'S THE SAME THING THATS HAPPENED WITH THE MEDIA.
IF THERE ARE NO DIFFERENT OPINIONS OFFERED, WHY BOTHER TO VISIT THIS ARENA.....
@@broadkast477 This is why Rumble is rising.
Has anyone read Anthem, by Any Rand? It's really interesting how God sent an Atheist to teach us how to protect our freedom ... from Russia...
Love Curt, so happy he got this interview!!
Thank you both of you, it was a fantastic conversation
What a fantastic conversation. Worth every minute!
So glad to hear this being talked about. Ive followed you for a while Jordan, but its crazy because every time I have some obscure question about the way the world works, theres always an underlying despair because I realize most people dont even know how to ask certain questions in the first place. Simply bringing the questions to light and addressing them the best you can with other people is an enormous blessing! Thank you!
@@kaivogel253 Its funny you say that, because most of Jordan Petersons questions about topics often result in him asking what the topic even is in the first place. Which most people dont do. What exactly did he say that you think is "wrong?" I think he is exceptionally good at asking questions. Almost too good, because he is willing to sacrifice our current knowledge of something for something new. Which ironically, if I had to guess, is why people like you dont like him. You want a simple answer, and you cant comprehend why people who follow him would be okay with "not knowing." But please, tell me exactly what he said that you think is "wrong."
❤️my friends im happy to hear this talk. You are looking good Jordan🙏healthy
The end of this talk brought to my mind “The One and the Many” by W. Norris Clarke, S.J. - a book about Thomistic metaphysical systems of thought. A worthy read and another example of how great minds can take each other to even greater heights. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Mr. Jaimungal for this most intriguing discussion!
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I really enjoyed the conversation, it's an honor to be in the presence of such well read, deep thinking people. Thanks for sharing this.
Brainwashing is fun for all rubes!
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You mean trained soldiers and the resolve to destroy the occupying forces?
JP needs to speak to that English man I can’t mention on TH-cam. You know the one who has been writing about all this happening 30 years ago. You know his name and it’s not Goliath it’s his adversary.
You can't beat Bolt in a sprint.
Lovely. If we all sit in lotus and hum ‘Omm’, that will fix everything, right? I genuinely appreciate your intention and I don’t mean to be facetious, but I think we need a bolder, braver, morality just now for the sake of the future good.
@@mrashford122 who? What does the second name rhyme with?
Why does my heart shrink tears out of my eyes when two remarkable gentlemen salute eachother with such genuine respect at the end of an equally remarkable conversation. Thank you For this experience, I truly hope to see more conversations between these two great minds.
ya thats a good reaction
I had no who Curt Jaimungal is and now I'm thoroughly impressed
Another personality cult?
@@martinkent333 well itdepends on what do you mean by “personality cult”.
What I meant was it seems I’ve been introduced to a well-read, intelligent person, who’s careful with his words while being admirably articulate.
@@e.znamini3241 A slick hustlers, eh Cupcake?
I was really happy to see Curt mention Donald Hoffman, however briefly, because the discussion up until that point made me realise how compatible in many ways JP's views on perception (and its fundamental relationship with consciousness) could be with Hoffman's model, which left me hankering for Curt to mention him. I would really love to see a dialogue between JP and Hoffman, because I think there is a lot of shared ground, or intuition, between them.
That said, I'm not entirely sure how fruitful it would be since they seem to be coming at similar problems from such radically different disciplines, with very different reasons for doing so. There may be overlap in thinking, and I think in some sense they are converging on similar underlying ideas, but when you start from such different places in such complex terrain, sometimes you fail to see how you're even exploring the same territory.
In any case, fantastic talk. I always enjoy Curt's attentiveness, sprawling thoughts and humility (particularly his lack of hesitation to ask for further clarification). Great to see you two have a discussion.
I get pumped every time I hear Hoffman brought up. Lex Fridman mentions him once in a while as well.
Thank you so much for your continued efforts Dr. Peterson😎🤙
You are shining light in shadowy corners while instilling confidence and responsibility to the masses by speaking to us each individually.
You are awesome, truly awesome.
Also very cool to hear that you dig punk rock music!!
Fantastic, and very insightful. Dr Peterson, you teach me something every time I watch you. Thank you!
Truly transcendent conversation.
Wow, congrats Curt. Incredible to find you here with the good doctor! Health and love to both of you.
My worlds collide! My two favorite podcasts together! What a treat! Thank you
Brainwashing is fun for all rubes?
Curt is such an incredibly profound and articulate thinker- thank you so much for the both of you talking. I’ll be checking out more of his content
Cuz personality cults are so groovy?
@@martinkent333 it’s funny you would make an ambiguous comment like that instead of refuting any single point that was made in the entire video- but that simply reveals your intention of the comment and I will not be listening to you accordingly
Jordan you give me a lot of hope for the human race. I am glad you are willing to stand up for truth. People try so hard to shut you down. And yet you keep standing strong. Thanks for spreading truth.
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I absolutely loved this conversation! This is by far my favorite one yet. I just need to understand why!
Cuz brainwashing feeds your siliness.
Satisfies your spiritual constipation.
How articulate. Putting into words what I wonder about every day
Wow , I'm lost but still totally enthralled, imagine being that intelligent, I'm always sat daydreaming thinking now so imagine these guys deep in thought.
That was so great I didn't want it to finish (like many other conversations on this podcast)! I hope you'll continue at some point.
i am only 15 minutes in and i am already loving this....thank you both for sharing :)
God Speed GOoD Souls
PS, humility/humbleness is a beautiful thing (sees it in both men and is more proud to be a human being because of it)
Such an engaging conversation. 🙂 I much appreciated this conversation and can't wait to hear more from Mr Jaymungal. I rewound several times to grasp topics. Thank you for your time, wisdom, and knowledge. Blessings to you both.
Wow! My brain hurts. That whole conversation was mind-blowing. I will be listening to it a few more times. I know I missed more than I caught. Please keep it up, I need my brain to hurt more often. 🙃🙂
Very few people demonstrate the same level of epistemic humility as Curt which is one reason his podcast is so damn interesting.
Two of my favorite channels in one interview! ♥️
"God isn't like a table" - Jordan B. Peterson, Nov. 1, 2021
I'm Imagining a table-God in heaven: "Why do you think my son was a carpenter? Man JBP, so close yet so far."
what a journey man! i've found my self in several "ahá" moments and in tears at the end; i think what i'm trying to say is THANK YOU for this profound conversations, thanks a lot
Brainwashing satisfies the dimwits!
The discussion around 50:00 is beyond fascinating: If our most fundamental mode of interaction with (perception of) the world is use/utilization, since the utilization have a very strong connotation of power, then at the very base of our reality is power ... this brings us full circle back to the issue of post-modernism and its corrosive effect on the modern civilizations (as outlined earlier in the talk).
Great interview - really enjoyed it. I can't help thinking that we need more leaders in power that are honest to themselves and don't lie so much.
Good luck on that one. The reason they don’t give a rats ass about us is obvious. Before you can give something you have to have it first… And who the xxx would want to have a rats ass?
@@johnlamarca9439 The police are sleeping, Cupcake?
Paranoia keeps you aware? Your trust in the police is shattered, Karen?
Well said and thumbs up in so many ways Jordan. Thank you Curt for sharing with us all today.
Still unbelievable this content is FREE. One of the greatest thinkers alive right now… imagine if Aristotle Plato or Socrates could have reached everyone on the globe during their time …
Personality cults are so groovy, Rube.
@@martinkent333 martin find god
@@martinkent333 what is an elderly fella like yourself doing on youtube comments
@@gsav1320 You never check Bible facts, cuz Christian brainwashing makes you a fabulous rube! If you ever did check Bible facts, you would find that Jesus Christ appeared when the Jews failed in their revolt against Rome in 70 CE. The Hebrews in Palestine created Jesus Christ aka Maccabbees ll. That way they could do business under a new name and feed their families and avoid massacres. The Apostle Paul was an excellent example of this. He was about to enter Damascus and saw that there was a Jewish massacre there. So he became an instant Christian. On the high ground between three continents, the ancient Hebrews created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE. Checking Bible facts helps you with law courts, and avoids delusions and paranoia. Kids, if you crave anal sex, just wink at a priest!
@@gsav1320 Looking for Scrupulosity suffers and on Easter Weekend, offering free Holy Water enemas. For a price, I can give them Kentucky Moonshine to mix in, so that they can SEE GOD........................................ On Good Friday 2033, the 2000th anniversary of Jesus Christ's happy crucifixion, the streets of Jerusalem are sold out - BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the best conversations I have had the opportunity to listen to. Thank you as always sir
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ.
Thanks Curt and Jordan!
This is a great guest!! I watch many of his interviews. Probably more then any other channel! Now get Bernardo Kastrup and Carlo Revelli and be perfect!!
please make this happen. been bugging Kastrup since last year
Great conversation, guys. Can't wait to watch Curt Jaimungal's documentary ‘Better Left Unsaid’.
Brainwashing gives you the shivers?
Dr Peterson you're such an amazing moral man. I love your discussions and ability to assess people behaviors. I agree with all you say. A gift to us all. African American Muslima 67yr.
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Wow! You guys were on fire. Bringing clarity to deep fuzzy ideas!
Brilliant exploration ! I humbly admit that my intellectual capacity has been optimally stretched with this conversation, and I like it !
Cuz ignorant rubes are always dazzled by brainwashing!!
@@martinkent333 what
This was an amazing conversations. My favorite so far
Terrific conversation. Yes, let's not burn the world down. God, or whatever the creation is, bless us all. The Good, the bad the ugly
2 articulated intelligent people having an AWSUM conversation.
Who is interviewing who? Who cares.
Such an amazing discussion. Too much jumped out to name one part but will defiantly need to rewatch this again.
Fascinating conversation ! Bring on more philosophers & Muslim theologians please. 🙏🏾
These conversations make my brain grow. 🧠
I love it.imagine if everyone had this knowledge and able to have discussions with intentions to learn and grow and educate so we can evolve in a way that really benifits us all
Man, that’s a deep, symbiotic, and exploratory conversation. Like, two free-style jazz musicians, jammin. And realizing that this conversation is just the tip of a much deeper and wider iceberg. Danm, makes me feel ill-equipped for further discovery. But, that doesn’t mean I won’t try; I still have a snorkel and goggles at least 😉
Listen to the conversation at 1.5 speed...even more of a ride! I'll need to relisten and use handrails
@Mitthenstein ya for u maybe. Not for everybody else
When you watch on rumble the documentary JFK to 9/11 everything is a rich man's trick you will see both Democrat and Republican are both Nazis... The Nazis were created to retaliate against the Russian people that beheaded the cousins of the British royals and took over the castle kicking them out and keeping them from traveling there. This was a retaliatory strike for them doing this they created Hitler with two purposes maintain the kingdom and get rid of populations in Russia Europe and all sorts of other places. Hitler was controlled by ☠️👁️💸
Why do you think Hitler invaded Russia in the winter! His whole purpose was to shut down communism because that's what he was controlled and told to do. Operation paperclip Nazi supposedly lose all the Jews instead of given homes back in their own countries are shipped out to a massive concentration camp in the desert called Israel!!! Anti-communism beliefs get pushed into America and now this is accepted by both sides that this is bad and Hitler wins an America is the new Nazi regime. Search for this documentary on TH-cam but you have to scroll for a long long time because they do not want you to see it but I'm rumbled it will be the very top video under that search term JFK to 911 everything is Rich Man's trick. It's almost 4 hours long just watch it.
@Mitthenstein ok sure, whatever you say. Thanks for your input. I change my…….oh nevermind
@Mitthenstein lol I was trying to end this. You win! Good job. Your very smart and don’t have your own bias😁. Think about it all I did was admire the convo. And you had to reply with a rant, lol. I made no statement saying he was right or wrong. You just assumed im a fan because i admired the conversation. Geez relax man
Always love your talks Curt. This was a JP podcast, but with these conversations, it doesn't matter. I'll watch everything you do.
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ...
Great chat. Thank you. Signed up to watch Curt Jaimungal's film.
Oh hell yeah. Been waiting for Curt.
JBP has finally hit the big league. Curt Jaimungal’s is a fascinating mind.
After Covid, I am with myself.
Thank you for a highly intelligent conversation regarding how easily people are divided against themselves.
GREAT conversation 🙏🙌🏼