What do you think? Is this fair and reasonable? For those who don't understand how they linked the accounts, see this - th-cam.com/video/cUckq9agP7g/w-d-xo.html
Great video it’s confirmed many of my suspicions, have you not seen that new recent article about this case as well? I can’t past the link here but if you Google “The inside story of Jon Howard’s bet365 fraud conviction” it will come up, it does give a much better insight into what happened
I did see that this week, although you should remember it was also from another industry affiliate/bookie promoter. It seems the new way they do things is to hold on to your money and if you submit to a small claims court to retrieve the money they say its fraud. It's dirty, I've seen another like that. All the while getting it into criminal court under the "we suspect money laundering".
@@CaanBerryProTrader I know is diferent video what's going to happen next year for us on enchange like me sometimes I have trades that my stake are over 1000 pds ? Whit this new rules
Stupid logic. So when my dodgy mates go out on the lash and set your company office on fire and trash your company Range Rover, they shouldn't be able to prosecute for it?
The whole legal system stinks. The fact he got 5 years for a money crime is sickening. Meanwhile sexual and violent offenders, if they even get prosecuted, serve mere months or even get community service and suspended sentences. It really shows what the lawmakers and judges actually care about. It's not justice.
This was also my immediate thought. I was told when I was very young that the government only care about money crimes (specifically against them such as benefit fraud) but not the stuff we care about (e.g would you rather your neighbour be someone committing fraud in his accountancy job, or a psycho who likes to attack random people for no reason and rape teenage girls). This sentencing and others i've seen recently just confirms it! They only care about money crimes. Someone raped a teenager in Scotland recently, was found guilty, and he's not gonna spend a DAY in prison! The guy who killed that banker in an unprovoked attack last month got like a 2 year sentence. There was someone who killed a drinker in an unprovoked single killer punch who got like 18 months. This dude who took some money from a betting company who probably wouldn't physically harm a fly got 5 years!!?? Madness
When I did jury duty I was amazed at how stupid some of the jurors were. Some of them had the IQ of a cabbage, and could not follow a simple case in any meaningful way. So I'm not surprised what happened to this guy at all.
I did it when I was 21 sent a pedophile down, knew he was by looking at him the rest of the jury were shock when I said guilty after only the second day.
they wouldn't give me a cashout with man city being the last game for the win on an accumulator for £129k kept saying no Internet access blah blah city went 1 nil up still nothing ended up drawing in the end. then weeks later I had a bet for £83k and got an email saying due to me already knowing the outcome of the game they retracted 4 of the bets, how tf can I know the outcome of a game that was 2 days away 😲 absolute joke of a company
@@hb1338 It's true. Years ago a bookie would not take £500 bet. on snooker. because they did not know me. was small independent bookmakers. SO they did not know I had problem. And would be back to lose it. I was so angry I bought word processor out of argos, typed it up and gave it to customers, saying they are controlling what you bet on?
But 365 probably worked together with Santander! So we now know not to bank with Santander and not to bet with 365! Closing my Santander account today!
I am glad I got over my gambling addiction because the companies really are insanely predatory with their tactics to retain you. You get drip fed dopamine tactically to keep you returning endlessly.
being a REAL addict, I find it laughable when people cali they're addicts die to dopamine. unless you have physical withdrawals upon cessation of use, it's not an addiction. it's just a huge weakness. Still very sad though.
@@NiSiochainGanSaoirse So you are unaware of all the scientific studies that actively monitor the brain activity and chemistry of gambling addicts? lol, get a life you judgemental prick.
Ive said it many times, Betting Firms should not be allowed to ban customers just because they are big winners. These Firms are more than happy to let someone lose big money regularly, they should not have the ability to limit or close accounts because someone is winning. The UK government is not interested in the slightest. If a rule was brought in to stop the practice of limiting or banning customers and if the Firms broke the rules there would be severe penalties and possible not allowing them to be available in UK it would be interesting.
It's a mafia style business model. The Italian mafia pioneered it in Las Vegas. If you won too much, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself or they'd break your legs or worse. The corporations that took over Las Vegas in the mid 80's continued the unethical business model of fleecing winners but didn't go as far as breaking bones or burying people in the desert. The reason why political parties aren't interested in sorting the gambling industry out is that a lot of MPs are funded by gambling companies and/or receive freebies off them. Some of them end up working for the gambling sector and/or regulators after their political career is done. Michael Dugher and Tom Watson are notable examples.
@@Jimbo8012 I think it's Chipping Norton or something where Theresa May live, no bookmakers. and they get grant to make village nice, where poor places get mutiple bookies and no grants for regeneration. aswell. There also is lack of care for active addicts. if any. addiction to gambling is probably not universally treated by doctors. generally. certainly years ago. You might get treated for mental illness. banner. but not generally for gambling addiction. unless your doctor is very good.
I won nearly £16k on a football bet with only £15 luckily got my money from bet365 but few days after they closed my account without any notice or any reason. Is unbelievable the double standards this cowboys practice they allow people to be addicted to gambling and take money from their customers without any problems but it seems to be when someone wins they will do whatever it takes for finding ways not to pay out.Insane
Does the UK have what's called "discovery" in your court system? In the United States, this man's attorneys could file a motion for discovery where they try to find evidence that Bet365 is being selective in cases like this and not enforcing their policy across the board.
@@Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood Disclosure and discovery are two different things. Disclosure means that the prosecution must tell the defence what witnesses and what evidence it intends to put forward and supply relevant documentation. Discovery is usually the responsibility of the police and takes place during their their investigation.
I won a poker tourney on bet365 and the money never went into my account. I emailed them and they tried telling me I won the money and then lost it…after some back and forth and me getting quite mad eventually they just deleted my account.
People gotta campaign to get this man out of jail. It is not fair to cage a human for years for petty crimes against giant greedy companies. Taking his money away would be enough of a punishment, given that he still put tim and effort into it, and if all he did was multi accounting, then zero punishment at all.
this is absolutely disgusting by all means i and many friends have had their accounts barred. the legal system needs to seriously be adjusted to make sure that gambling companies are only allowed to open to take bets from everyone. THIS IS DISGUSTING STAY AWAY FROM BET 365
Problem is as well. Big company's such as 365 have lots of dough to pay for barristers and high end lawyers. They basically made an example of him to discourage multiple accounting and most probably cost them more than the man won in lawyers fees. All bookies are bent as a bishops hook. They love the addicts who's lives are ruined on a daily basis but never ever take any responsibility properly. I've known mates who have had a lot if money from parents dying and blew the lot on gambling on the phone. Non warning or advice from the bookies just a disclaimer in their small text regarding gambling addiction . They simply do not care. It's like buying a pack of cigs with the warning on. We know the risks. Another thing I find with addicted gamblers, a lot do it while on the sniff or drunk. It's very sad.
The case was brought by CPS as a criminal trial. bet365 financial power was not and is not relevant. Why should anybody or any company be asked to carry responsibility for a sane adult ?
You are spot on, when I first read this it was my guess it was Santandar who pushed for this to go court due to the fraudulent charge backs, it would be impossible for a betting company to take someone to court for bonus abuse or multi accounting alone because in the eyes of the law it isnt actually illegal, but it was handy to spin it that way to act as a deterrent for other punters trying to do the same in the future
I agree with this. The bank would of went for him and the people who help with there accounts. he would be done for conspiracy and money laundering due to any winning sent to him tax free. the others would be done for small fraud for requesting charge backs that they did authorise.
Multi accounting is illegal if you’re using fraudulent ID. I know of one case that led to a prison sentence. The guy was using fake IDs with the same photo! But I also think if you control accounts in other people’s names, it could also be fraud. You’re pretending to be someone you’re not. That’s obviously “false representation”, but I’ve not heard of any convictions for this.
They're all scumbags. A mate of mine worked for Bet 365 as part of gambling aware. He notice a customer was betting large amounts over a period of time. He was about to contact him to see if all was ok. When his supervisor questioned him on what he was doing. He explained the situation and his supervisor said, leave it until Monday. It's Grand National weekend and winked.
and of course your mate in this totally legit little story had no mind of his own and thus did not make contact with the customer in the end because the suggestion from the mighty supervisor outweighed your mates conscience makes sense...............gotcha
Hopefully it was the year Noble Yeats won at 50/1 and the bloke chucked a grand on it. The 'winking' supervisor would have been winking on the other side of his face by Monday.
Everything you are saying is 100% true. I know a good friend who worked for b365 15 years ago. The best account they saw up was about £5k and they used that account in their algorithm setting. They saw several accounts in the MILLIONS down. Of all the people who worked for b365 in the technical dept, none of them gambled because they all knew. You won't win. From delays in the live at play odds, inside knowledge on form, and all the other tricks they have. They spend millions to make sure you only win enough to keep you coming back.
5 years for betting - that is shocking. So people happily gave them their details so he could open an account. He deposited money into those accounts. He bet using that money. He won some, he lost some. He won more than he lost. They took him to court. Do I have that right - or am I missing something?
They let you do that to later confiscate your funds when you try to withdraw, the funny thing is they happily let you deposit, not caring if the card is stolen. Some operators (casinos, bookies) immediately reject the deposit because the card holder name and the betting account name do not match, but most of them couldn't care less, they're just thugs
That’s wot they do they will take any card until u go 2 withdraw that’s when they ask u 4 id they did it 2 my m8 who had joint bank account with his wife
I've been banned by so many bookies and it really pisses me off. They shouldn't be allowed to do it. The worst was betbright (no longer around), they limited my bets to 13p. I went to put an each way bet on and they stopped me and told me that 13p was all they'd allow. I said, what do you want me to do, put 6 1/2p each way. They didn't reply. Unibet banned me on horse racing, then 6 minutes later banned me on all sports. Paddypower were nasty as hell when they banned me. I still have accounts with William Hill and Ladbrokes and I've taken more money from them than the others. When I lose those I'm only left with the exchanges.
Freeloaders in the replies. If you cant figure out basic probability math on your own, a thinking man's game isnt for you. Just accept your manual labor jobs and betting on popular soccer games and going to the pub like good little boys
I've had my bet 365 account for a good 5 years loosing most of the time, I had a lucky streak of bets winning 35000 and started asking me for bank statements after I won, I proved what they wanted, but what I'm saying is they never asked when I was loosing
So all in all, it shouldn't have been the man who ended up in jail... it should have been the owners of Bet365 for conning people into betting on their website despite blocking people who win often, which in turn sets up a company that simply can only ever profit. It's like running a shop but not letting customers leave with the product they purchased, and then imprisoning the customers.
Tbh I started playing about 6 weeks ago and I'm positive 12k estimated. I withdrew 9k, 8k, 5k on different occasions. Who knows its still early but I feel either imma be banned or I'll stsrt losing money soon
@@zizouzus you won't be banned, they will limit your stakes or your deposits, happened to me on a different site, i won and lost, then won 11k of Live casino CT, in 3 days my withdrawals were 21k, they now put a limit to how much I can deposit 😂, only around £100 a month which is ridiculous, they don't like winners, they love taking peoples money, but when you win, they either ban or restrict you.
This whole system is corrupt, absolutely disgusting , the owner of this company pays herself over £100 million PER YEAR. So whilst THE SAME people who are using these betting sites are committing suicide regularly and losing there homes/jobs families etc these blood sucking companies are making £BILLIONS each year peddling their misery profiting on these peoples addiction . It’s just disgusting
What most likely happened was he obtained welcome bonus bets on each of the account opened. As the terms of use state that this is one per customer and he was found to be the customer of all 1000 accounts it then becomes criminal in that he obtained money by deception. This is a crime. As you rightly said, if he’d have done this and lost every free welcome bonus they likely never would have chased him, but as he won they did. You need to understand that the terms of use can be used to convict for fraud when breaking those terms means the company loses out financially. So yes, I’m almost certain he got 1000 welcome bonus and many of them would have caused financial loss to Bet365 and there is the crime, T&Cs say you can’t do it, so the crime is fraud by misrepresentation / or obtaining goods or services by deception, both of which seem clear to have happened here.
It's a Joke. Everything stacked in their favour' They should not be able to stop peoples accounts when they are deemed to have won too much. Outrageous.
More details have supposedly emerged since but theres a lot of grey areas... not really sure it was much of a swindle other than a mortgage application. The real swindlers are the betting companies.
What concerns me is how the betting industry seems to be everywhere. Direct sponsorship and advertising with nearly all media outlets. Why would any newspaper criticise a company spending 100 s of thousands with them.
The serious crime unit of most constabularies will have a strong relationship with the banks, who are continuously assisting with information requests. The charge backs were a step too far and his intuition should have told him so.
Our country is so dystopian, they won’t investigate crimes committed against individuals but they’ll throw the full force of the law and they assets to protect big businesses
Gala Bingo slipped a 'free £5 bet' in when I was almost £400 up once and made it so I couldn't take out my funds because they were tied to a bonus. I'm tired of weak people on power trips.
Lawyers for big business are always into the 'profit protection' game, they won't chase 'mug'punters for the same activity, as no profit was made. A clear application of the 'rules' being subject to profit making accounts only. I doubt if long time losing accounts get similar or any scrutiny, but manage one lucky 'once in a lifetime' win, and that account will be scrutinised for a reason not to pay. Or as others have said, become better at gambling, winning more regularly, and they will simply close the account, with no reasonable explanation.
The gambling industry stinks. We need to nationalise the gambling industry and there's a very clear precedent for doing so - companies are nationalised when it's proven they haven't acted in the best interests of the general public or the country as a whole. That's clearly the case with our current crop. They blatantly encourage problem gamblers and flout/bend every law and regulation that comes their way, paying meaningless fines as a cost of doing business. There shouldn't be a betting shop on every high street nor adverts every 5 seconds on sports TV. The RTP on slots/casino games is criminally low and the restrictions based on horse-racing, sports betting and gambling of all forms is due to these companies and UKGC, who also need to be abolished as unfit for purpose. All the profit from gambling should go directly to the taxpayer as a shareholder in our new national gambling company, not into the pockets of greedy gangsters who would sell out their own granny for an extra fiver
"Companies are nationalised when it's proven they haven't acted in the best interests of the public or the country as a whole" err, not really. Companies are nationalised when they become worthless to the private sector and are making losses, but are essential public services so they are conveniently dumped onto the tax payer. I wish that I believed in fairies like yourself, but unfortunately the cold reality is that the system is predominantly ran by the rich for the rich and the public are little more than livestock who prop up the system, shepherded by the sheepdogs of the media propaganda machine
Honestly, I hope someday someone will manage to storm down and literally bankrupt these gambling companies. I know gambling is a mental disease, but these companies aren't doing shit against this addiction, even though they say they are. Yeah right, you give an addicted person bonuses to bet and then say that you aren't doing anything wrong. Piss off. This trend needs to stop and I hope it will be a buble that will burst soon and die down just aswell as it rose up.
akin to letting an alcoholic buy alcohol that comes with 10% extra free or even costing 10% less than the off licence down the road. supermarkets should bare some respobsilibility and indeed perform checks on all people buying alcohol incase they become addicted too. i mean, some people are addicted to things like shopping, they will take out credit cards and get in to debt from repeatedly buying items they do not need and thats why i am standing up to say that shops need to do more to protect the consumer, maybe if a person makes more than one shopping transcation in a week the shop staff should be trained to pull that person aside into a private room and attempt to counsel them and certainly be carrying out a lot more checks in the process, everytime anyone buys anything in my opinion, just in case they have an addictive personality. lets see all these billion pound organisations going bankrupt!!! is what id be thinking if i lived in cloud cuckoo land and also listened to your rant
That literally happened to me, £200 was used for bets with coral (I don’t have an account with them) I always wondered how they’d actually get their money outb
Sorry but this isn’t how it worked. It relates to bonuses obtained using ‘matched betting’ or other such schemes to withdraw bonus funds by using risk-free bets. And then withdrawing the same bonuses across multiple accounts to make thousands. The bank accounts used would have been the account holders accounts, and the account holders would pay the guy in cash minus a cut. I suspect Santander was simply involved as one party linked to certain transactions. In terms of the crime itself I agree it is debatable still as it’s a breach of terms and not a crime as such. It’s not a fraud if you have permission from the account holder. It’s somewhat unethical but then who are b365 to judge and the better outcome would be to identify and close rogue accounts using technology. It’s quite a complex scheme and difficult to execute. A lot of hours spent and even a job to run around the streets collecting money. Easier to start a legit business
The bottom line is betting companies shouldn't be allowed to refuse customers who win based on the fact they are winning,what planet are they living in we win you lose! That's our policy.
But if they were forced to lay bets to everyone they would get filled in by winning punters, which would then make them sharpen up their prices significantly and/or remove some markets. So, no thanks.
In-house lawyers that’s wot most of them have and u sign up and not read the T&c but ur signing up 2 anything they say or want 2 do , u can’t do anything coz uve signed the t&cs
If he had 1000 accounts theres no way he only made 236k, that's £234 per account, I reckon you can make 2k per account easy. (not that I've done it of course - honest). I read elsewhere that he got 2 years for mortgage fraud, as he told Santander he had a proper job and got his mate who owned a company to give them fake payslips.
What's your method to get 2k out of an account? Do you value bet on horse racing? That's what I'm doing at the moment but my accounts are getting restricted within a few hours
@@adammm321When I say "account", I meant identity, I believe he had set up 1000 different identites. So theoretically he could have created about 100+ accounts with different bookmakers per identity. Easy to get 2k from each identity using free bets etc. A lot of work though, and arguably illegal if those identites were fake. The bookies will restrict you quite quickly if you are betting at a higher price than SP consistently, which you will be if you are getting value.
I am Barr's from coral/ Ladbrokes. I along with another mate found that around a certain time of the day that the race had run, but was able to bet on the winner mostly dogs and virtual races as they are around 1 minute and the blip usually lasted about 1. 20 seconds. We got about £50000 through a period of 6 months my past attempt before being barred was £3750 on 3 bets. Never took me to court as it would have revealed a fault in corals system.
It's quite simple, he committed fraud and is guilty. Its not because he was a winning punter. Sentence does seems a bit harsh but I'm sure there is more to the story.
lol. He was sentenced because he gamed them. My mate was banned from every single agency he bet with. The terms of use state - we can cut you off at anytime. Why??????????????? Because you win too much. But if you cant pick your nose then please spend the childrens food money you degenerate junkie gambler. Agencies are the scum of the earth. Wanna bet - then go to a shopfront but they want them gone too.
Yep totally agree, the case here is extremely clear that he committed fraud (he even admitted guilt to the mortgage fraud) the sentence is indeed harsh but he took the piss, was greedy and got caught...simple
Gambling run by fair people could be so much more entertaining, fair, and exiting... Governments could distribute cash in to markets, keep working class happy, keep struggling people happy, keep economics booming... Now they support struggling business with 20k, 16k spent on private car, 4 k spend on business, rich get richer, poor get poorer... =)
It just shows you the priorities of the law and the courtrooms. You get a large sentence for trying to outwit a gambling establishment and yet sexual crimes get a lesser sentence. Where is the sense in this. Is this world just all about money?
I don't think you have much criminal law experience. He used other ppl id to open bank accounts and betting accounts. That was the actual crime. Not the free bets
This is garbage don’t bet with them. I just won £340 from a £20 bet. They didn’t let me cash it out. Now that amount has been removed from my account. ???
Am I missing something here? Isn’t it clear that he was laundering money for likely some shady individuals? Why else would you need 1000 accounts, and why would 1000 people offer their details for him to use. This is so clearly money laundering and while betting company’s terms, conditions and policies may be a bit dubious, that’s got sweet FA to do with this case. Bejesus, a blind man could see what’s going on here. Plank of a video with pure NPC dialogue.
Not sure why people think this isn't fraud. I was a gambling addict for 5 years and it cost me a lot financially. Often I was working month after month for over 2 years for literally no money, every penny I had coming out was going straight back out again, to repay payday loans that I'd used the money to gamble on. That said if he quite clearly breaches the terms and conditions of their site, they can ban him. If he then creates further accounts each time to continue using the site, and makes money out of it, it will be argued that it is fraud as they have closed his original account and do not wish to have any further business with him. As a private company they're entitled to do this, in the same way that your local builder could refuse to provide building services to you or your local pub could refuse to serve you if they wanted to, no private company is obliged to do business with anybody. Clearly his involvement in this had more to it, involving possible chargebacks (a form of fraud on it's own in this situation) and potentially making use of bonuses or "Free bets" applied to each of the syndicate's 1000 accounts to profit from. It's no wonder he was convicted of fraud.
Not surprising. How else are the owners of these betting companies going to pay themselves billions in dividends? Plenty of money for fancy lawyers & political 'donations'.
There's a lot of hypocrisy from bookmakers now they have to advertise "safe gambling". The bookies still want you to lose all your money, but now they have to pretend they care about their customer's financial welfare.
I just placed a bet on two Indian soccer matches, and no one scored in the second half. The company suspended the payout during the match because the stakes were good. They didn't let me withdraw before the match ended, so I lost the bet!
I got restricted in over 60 betting websites for winning over 50k$ from 100$. It sucks bruv but i still keep making new accounts in different sportsbook. Wish there was a way to avoid limits
Why is this not all over the news?? Why are gambling adds still on TV after it was said they would be stopped... money talks... generations of gambling ahead if us all. To real
Surely the bigger crime here is the betting companies restriction of winning accounts? They only allow losing accounts to use their platforms. How does the government allow these companies to operate
Very interesting breakdown... one observation I would add, however, is that if the terms of use prohibit placing a bet in the name of another, and this is done en masse, that could be why it has been chaulked up as fraud. I'd be interested to have a chat in confidence about the additional material you have been provided, and perhaps do a joint analysis with our combined knowledge.
Certainly, I looked for a contact to reach out for you after others suggested but couldn't find one. I believe recently they tweaked their terms as it was debateable if it was even against their terms. Would be happy to share futher and perhaps follow up on that suggestion.
Opening 1000 accounts in other people’s names and receiving 1000 x £50 first deposit bonuses is obviously fraud. I don’t care what one policeman says about it. It would be fraud under the 2006 act. It’s clearly totally different to putting a bet on for your nan. Just because no cases have been prosecuted, doesn’t make it legal. Not that I personally have a problem with it. I’d like to see all these betting companies put out of business.
Your second account is accurate. It was clearly fraud due to claiming the charge back against the bank. Can’t understand how the bank we’re not the first to identify the issue.
They may have noticed first Anthony but I can imagine only on one account but in that instance he would have only been referred to Cifas and classed as a cat5 or 6 confirmed fraudster this has to be much more possibly multiple bank accounts as just fraud would not get you time the majority of the time, the correct term here is financial crime.
For me there should be more done about those with gambling addictions, if someone is placing a bet/s winning and then doing a chargeback about a transaction then I can understand why the likes of these betting companies would want to protect their business. Where as someone who constantly wins?? Either due to a lucky guess in the likes of the grand national, football or having figured out some tip off/loophole/exploit then maybe te industry should look into it further rather than punish someone who maybe innocent of having accidently came across a winning combination in a couple of bids.
This probably isnt quite what was happening. My guess is, i havent looked into it, but he was matched betting. Santander dont allow customers to gamble, solely on their bank accounts, as in you only use the account for gambling purposes. This raised red flags for the gambler, who would deposit into the account, gamble, then withdraw. Im guessing he had 100s of accounts in santanders name, all feeding money back into the same persons name, so easy to flag.
The court 100% understand properly..just don't care for the normal people..gambling is the most important value for collecting money..easiest than collecting tax that's why the gambling sistem is fucked up in Uk
in the meantime they offer odds like 1/1000 on favourites and 20/1 on the outsider , people shouldnt be banned if they win unless they blatantly only look fior mistakes from the bookies , bookies offer unfair odds all the time.
All I learned from this was to deposit 10K on me nanas santander account on a 36 team acca... it wins I'm quintillionaire, if it loses just tell her to cashback the transaction wasn't her 🤔🤷♂️
In the casino, the cardinal rule is to keep them playing and to keep them coming back. The longer they play, the more they lose, and in the end, we get it all - Robert De Niro - Casino
The best way to combat these betting cartels and bad bookies is to just drop them altogether. People power works, use it, put them either out of business or as near to it as possible.
this guy goes on different tangents to explain why the guy got jailed...just get to the point already, then bring in the context ! Reminds me of my wife :)
Off topic and looking forward to watching this, but, if you're interested in any feedback, my humble suggestion is to review your mic and acoustics. Only a few seconds in and the echo-ing sound is off putting. Maybe I'm just being pedantic. Anyway, I shall now return to watching and enjoy more of your content. Keep it coming. I'm new to the world of sports betting and it's a fascinating journey.
For once you're incredibly... wrong. The case was won as using people's data without consent is illegal. The court case and nees reports all say many people said they did not give consent, and the guy using it was doing it on his own payment cards. That's illegal. It defines fraud. The bank had to join this case as they shouldn't have allowed this either. Having a case "that you can't mention" is in no way similar to anything. You cant make an argument on what you cant show. I'll sign an NDA and show me? For once you've taken something that's actually a crime and turned it into a conspiracy which doesn't make any sense. I'm a big fan in protecting players and RG, and allowed people to win, my bet365 personally was up considerably at one point and my stakes weren't restricted. I think you need to find out more on this case before advising here.
Right so what you say is true but you have missed out the bit where he tried to claim back the money from frozen accounts in other peoples names and started court action against bet365 so when they sent correspondence to the customers who the accounts were named in, multiple of them said they had never used bet355. This was handed to the police as a precaution for fraud and through tracking ip addresses all led back to Jon. And part of his sentence was due to Santander and the fact that he disclosed his winnings as a salary from a fictitious job to try and fool mortgage lenders this is actual fraud which carries maximum sentence of 10 years amd he only got half of that
For a start, he didn't WIN £236,000, that's the amount he defrauded a company of. He was never entitled to collect this money. Secondly, he falsified his identity in order to gain a financial advantages he wouldn't have otherwise been entitled to. That's call fraud. The title of this video implies that someone won, then got locked up because they won. That's not what happened at all.
Surely with the 3rd party fraud it would be very easy to detect.. with ID needed to open an account when santander process the charge back and open their investigation if bet365 comply they would have the ID on the persecutor immediately?
What do you think? Is this fair and reasonable? For those who don't understand how they linked the accounts, see this - th-cam.com/video/cUckq9agP7g/w-d-xo.html
Great video it’s confirmed many of my suspicions, have you not seen that new recent article about this case as well? I can’t past the link here but if you Google “The inside story of Jon Howard’s bet365 fraud conviction” it will come up, it does give a much better insight into what happened
I did see that this week, although you should remember it was also from another industry affiliate/bookie promoter. It seems the new way they do things is to hold on to your money and if you submit to a small claims court to retrieve the money they say its fraud. It's dirty, I've seen another like that. All the while getting it into criminal court under the "we suspect money laundering".
the bet365 lawyers baffled the courts because they dnt know about gambling is an epic statement
@@CaanBerryProTrader I know is diferent video what's going to happen next year for us on enchange like me sometimes I have trades that my stake are over 1000 pds ? Whit this new rules
I was jailed for conspiracy to defraud and got nowhere near this guy and my amount was higher lol 😂
A private company shouldn’t be allowed to seek the locking up of citizens. Very dangerous
@@col8353 Why not ? Companies and Banks commit crimes and just pay a fine and do the same next week.
@@col8353 the only clown here is you.
What you mean like the BBC and their licence goons.
@@col8353 the fact that you disagree as per this specific case is rather authoritarian
Stupid logic. So when my dodgy mates go out on the lash and set your company office on fire and trash your company Range Rover, they shouldn't be able to prosecute for it?
The owner of bet 365 should be in jail to it’s ok for her to take home hundreds of millions a year but if a punter wins regularly they are banned
Agree she’s a fucking disgrace
Happy all the time bet 365 band me after winning multiple time should be made illegal to ban people
What law would have been broken there? Can’t send someone to jail because of a legal if unethical business model
Happened to me won 2k in a month once and got banned, there actions are disgusting
Absolutely but will she go to prison, no and will the punter continue to get buttfkd, yes.
The whole legal system stinks. The fact he got 5 years for a money crime is sickening. Meanwhile sexual and violent offenders, if they even get prosecuted, serve mere months or even get community service and suspended sentences. It really shows what the lawmakers and judges actually care about. It's not justice.
Totally agree it’s ridiculous. This stuff should not get jail time.
This was also my immediate thought. I was told when I was very young that the government only care about money crimes (specifically against them such as benefit fraud) but not the stuff we care about (e.g would you rather your neighbour be someone committing fraud in his accountancy job, or a psycho who likes to attack random people for no reason and rape teenage girls). This sentencing and others i've seen recently just confirms it! They only care about money crimes. Someone raped a teenager in Scotland recently, was found guilty, and he's not gonna spend a DAY in prison! The guy who killed that banker in an unprovoked attack last month got like a 2 year sentence. There was someone who killed a drinker in an unprovoked single killer punch who got like 18 months. This dude who took some money from a betting company who probably wouldn't physically harm a fly got 5 years!!?? Madness
is it a crime??
Very true i beat someone up and got a 10months suspended sentence
@@jamssheen6205 when did u ger out
When I did jury duty I was amazed at how stupid some of the jurors were. Some of them had the IQ of a cabbage, and could not follow a simple case in any meaningful way. So I'm not surprised what happened to this guy at all.
Some of the public are stupid yes
Jury's are the general public without a criminal record
I did it when I was 21 sent a pedophile down, knew he was by looking at him the rest of the jury were shock when I said guilty after only the second day.
That's very insulting to cabbages 😄
@@Ritchie80 About 90pc
they wouldn't give me a cashout with man city being the last game for the win on an accumulator for £129k kept saying no Internet access blah blah city went 1 nil up still nothing ended up drawing in the end.
then weeks later I had a bet for £83k and got an email saying due to me already knowing the outcome of the game they retracted 4 of the bets, how tf can I know the outcome of a game that was 2 days away 😲 absolute joke of a company
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS 😒 TELL ME YEZ AND I will quit gambling forever
Gambling Motto: Keep the Losers and Ban the Winners
How is that even legal?
@@stevetodd2998 Why not ? Gambling companies have the right to choose their customers, as does almost every other business in the country.
@@hb1338 It's true. Years ago a bookie would not take £500 bet. on snooker. because they did not know me. was small independent bookmakers. SO they did not know I had problem. And would be back to lose it. I was so angry I bought word processor out of argos, typed it up and gave it to customers, saying they are controlling what you bet on?
Gambling motto no 2: Gambling is for mugs.
It's 25% of what Coates earns in a day not what Bet365 take a day
Earnings are takings......
You mean what they credited, debited
Its not just gambling. I find the UK as a whole will try to criminalise any wageslave that's able to make a bit of extra money.
The custodial sentence was for mortgage fraud (from Santander).
The Bet365 stuff ended up being a suspended sentence.
are you trying to say something about due diligence?
But 365 probably worked together with Santander! So we now know not to bank with Santander and not to bet with 365! Closing my Santander account today!
I am glad I got over my gambling addiction because the companies really are insanely predatory with their tactics to retain you. You get drip fed dopamine tactically to keep you returning endlessly.
being a REAL addict, I find it laughable when people cali they're addicts die to dopamine.
unless you have physical withdrawals upon cessation of use, it's not an addiction. it's just a huge weakness.
Still very sad though.
@@NiSiochainGanSaoirseaddiction can be mental not only physical
Play by strategy not emotion
@@NiSiochainGanSaoirse So you are unaware of all the scientific studies that actively monitor the brain activity and chemistry of gambling addicts? lol, get a life you judgemental prick.
Ive said it many times, Betting Firms should not be allowed to ban customers just because they are big winners. These Firms are more than happy to let someone lose big money regularly, they should not have the ability to limit or close accounts because someone is winning.
The UK government is not interested in the slightest. If a rule was brought in to stop the practice of limiting or banning customers and if the Firms broke the rules there would be severe penalties and possible not allowing them to be available in UK it would be interesting.
It's a mafia style business model. The Italian mafia pioneered it in Las Vegas. If you won too much, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself or they'd break your legs or worse. The corporations that took over Las Vegas in the mid 80's continued the unethical business model of fleecing winners but didn't go as far as breaking bones or burying people in the desert.
The reason why political parties aren't interested in sorting the gambling industry out is that a lot of MPs are funded by gambling companies and/or receive freebies off them. Some of them end up working for the gambling sector and/or regulators after their political career is done. Michael Dugher and Tom Watson are notable examples.
@@Jimbo8012 I think it's Chipping Norton or something where Theresa May live, no bookmakers. and they get grant to make village nice, where poor places get mutiple bookies and no grants for regeneration. aswell. There also is lack of care for active addicts. if any. addiction to gambling is probably not universally treated by doctors. generally. certainly years ago. You might get treated for mental illness. banner. but not generally for gambling addiction. unless your doctor is very good.
The politicians are bribed!!!
There should be a class action lawsuit against Bet 365 for banning winners. It's fraud.
I won nearly £16k on a football bet with only £15 luckily got my money from bet365 but few days after they closed my account without any notice or any reason. Is unbelievable the double standards this cowboys practice they allow people to be addicted to gambling and take money from their customers without any problems but it seems to be when someone wins they will do whatever it takes for finding ways not to pay out.Insane
That's so sad! Punters should stop placing bets on 365
Damn! What did you bet?
Very true the should be a law in place
@@pt7726 Why should bet365 carry legal responsibility for the acts of adult customers ?
@Sam Cleife me too trap 6 trap 6 trap 6 trap 6!!!
Won 320 from £3.
Does the UK have what's called "discovery" in your court system?
In the United States, this man's attorneys could file a motion for discovery where they try to find evidence that Bet365 is being selective in cases like this and not enforcing their policy across the board.
Yes we do. This video is mostly wrong for once
Yes. It’s called “disclosure” in the U.K.
@@Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood Disclosure and discovery are two different things. Disclosure means that the prosecution must tell the defence what witnesses and what evidence it intends to put forward and supply relevant documentation. Discovery is usually the responsibility of the police and takes place during their their investigation.
Skip to 6:24 to read a piece of the paper lol 😂. He definitely sounds guilty.
@@Kingkong-gy5qt Yep. Agreed. Blatant fraud.
That is a disgrace he got that many years . Not even worthy of jail time. Only people in jail should be bet 365 CEO’s
the system is basically saying it’s all right for the bookies to be criminals but don’t you think about it
@@paulc3749rich people always get away with things that is common folk don’t
Agreed! Also if they shared info with a third party like Santander then they must be in breach of GDPR imo!
I won a poker tourney on bet365 and the money never went into my account. I emailed them and they tried telling me I won the money and then lost it…after some back and forth and me getting quite mad eventually they just deleted my account.
People gotta campaign to get this man out of jail.
It is not fair to cage a human for years for petty crimes against giant greedy companies.
Taking his money away would be enough of a punishment, given that he still put tim and effort into it, and if all he did was multi accounting, then zero punishment at all.
I agree! I will sign a petition if somebody gets one up. I would also stand outside betting shops to get signatures!
this is absolutely disgusting by all means i and many friends have had their accounts barred. the legal system needs to seriously be adjusted to make sure that gambling companies are only allowed to open to take bets from everyone. THIS IS DISGUSTING STAY AWAY FROM BET 365
Problem is as well. Big company's such as 365 have lots of dough to pay for barristers and high end lawyers.
They basically made an example of him to discourage multiple accounting and most probably cost them more than the man won in lawyers fees.
All bookies are bent as a bishops hook. They love the addicts who's lives are ruined on a daily basis but never ever take any responsibility properly.
I've known mates who have had a lot if money from parents dying and blew the lot on gambling on the phone. Non warning or advice from the bookies just a disclaimer in their small text regarding gambling addiction .
They simply do not care.
It's like buying a pack of cigs with the warning on. We know the risks.
Another thing I find with addicted gamblers, a lot do it while on the sniff or drunk.
It's very sad.
The case was brought by CPS as a criminal trial. bet365 financial power was not and is not relevant.
Why should anybody or any company be asked to carry responsibility for a sane adult ?
Yeah let's not blame your mates . I'm sure BET365 bent their arms up their backs to gamble . Ridiculous.
Whats sniff
@@theemeistro cocaine
The bookies are all bent yes for sure but the government gets so much off them in taxes that they will support the bookies as much as possible
You are spot on, when I first read this it was my guess it was Santandar who pushed for this to go court due to the fraudulent charge backs, it would be impossible for a betting company to take someone to court for bonus abuse or multi accounting alone because in the eyes of the law it isnt actually illegal, but it was handy to spin it that way to act as a deterrent for other punters trying to do the same in the future
I agree with this. The bank would of went for him and the people who help with there accounts. he would be done for conspiracy and money laundering due to any winning sent to him tax free. the others would be done for small fraud for requesting charge backs that they did authorise.
Multi accounting is illegal if you’re using fraudulent ID. I know of one case that led to a prison sentence. The guy was using fake IDs with the same photo! But I also think if you control accounts in other people’s names, it could also be fraud. You’re pretending to be someone you’re not. That’s obviously “false representation”, but I’ve not heard of any convictions for this.
The decision to prosecute was taken by CPS and nobody else.
2 years for mortgage fraud and he got 3 years for defrauding bet 365.
bet365 are found worse than fraud daily , yet government loves them
Make it a criminal offence to gamble in this country, ban gambling, like in Thailand,
They're all scumbags. A mate of mine worked for Bet 365 as part of gambling aware. He notice a customer was betting large amounts over a period of time. He was about to contact him to see if all was ok. When his supervisor questioned him on what he was doing. He explained the situation and his supervisor said, leave it until Monday. It's Grand National weekend and winked.
and of course your mate in this totally legit little story had no mind of his own and thus did not make contact with the customer in the end because the suggestion from the mighty supervisor outweighed your mates conscience
makes sense...............gotcha
Hopefully it was the year Noble Yeats won at 50/1 and the bloke chucked a grand on it. The 'winking' supervisor would have been winking on the other side of his face by Monday.
Nah I worked there for 3 years, 100 percent can believe this. Could probably tell you which supervisors too 😂
@@Reapologistdo you know any former traders from 365 that would be willing to discuss their time there?
Everything you are saying is 100% true.
I know a good friend who worked for b365 15 years ago. The best account they saw up was about £5k and they used that account in their algorithm setting. They saw several accounts in the MILLIONS down. Of all the people who worked for b365 in the technical dept, none of them gambled because they all knew.
You won't win. From delays in the live at play odds, inside knowledge on form, and all the other tricks they have. They spend millions to make sure you only win enough to keep you coming back.
And here I thought if I bet 250 on Dustin win against chandler i would get 1k
5 years for betting - that is shocking.
So people happily gave them their details so he could open an account.
He deposited money into those accounts.
He bet using that money.
He won some, he lost some.
He won more than he lost.
They took him to court.
Do I have that right - or am I missing something?
But people didn’t give there details that’s the thing the details are bogus as such
Yes you are missing something, this video got it wrong, he was jailed down to mortgage fraud with Santander, he never was actually jailed for betting
How on earth can bookmakers be allowing account deposits to be made from a different named cardholder?!?!
so if u do win a big amount at later date the can keep the money
You just put the card holder name as the 365 account holder.
They let you do that to later confiscate your funds when you try to withdraw, the funny thing is they happily let you deposit, not caring if the card is stolen. Some operators (casinos, bookies) immediately reject the deposit because the card holder name and the betting account name do not match, but most of them couldn't care less, they're just thugs
That’s wot they do they will take any card until u go 2 withdraw that’s when they ask u 4 id they did it 2 my m8 who had joint bank account with his wife
Can deposit but cant withdraw. Its an auto win for them.
I've been banned by so many bookies and it really pisses me off. They shouldn't be allowed to do it. The worst was betbright (no longer around), they limited my bets to 13p. I went to put an each way bet on and they stopped me and told me that 13p was all they'd allow. I said, what do you want me to do, put 6 1/2p each way. They didn't reply. Unibet banned me on horse racing, then 6 minutes later banned me on all sports. Paddypower were nasty as hell when they banned me. I still have accounts with William Hill and Ladbrokes and I've taken more money from them than the others. When I lose those I'm only left with the exchanges.
We need to talk 😂 give us some dam tips
@@renegadewarz1074 samehere
Put 6p e-way not 6/half p e-way sorted. 😂. 😊
Im only a message away if you fancy a little bet lol only if we split the winnings down the middle tho
Freeloaders in the replies. If you cant figure out basic probability math on your own, a thinking man's game isnt for you. Just accept your manual labor jobs and betting on popular soccer games and going to the pub like good little boys
I've had my bet 365 account for a good 5 years loosing most of the time, I had a lucky streak of bets winning 35000 and started asking me for bank statements after I won, I proved what they wanted, but what I'm saying is they never asked when I was loosing
You should have made them send statements if they wanted to keep your losses
why would they ask if you're losing
@@JamesSmith-cm7sg Why ask him when he wins then is his point, they are happy to take your money until you win and then don't like paying out.
Why would they ask for your bank statements? I don't understand the point
So all in all, it shouldn't have been the man who ended up in jail... it should have been the owners of Bet365 for conning people into betting on their website despite blocking people who win often, which in turn sets up a company that simply can only ever profit. It's like running a shop but not letting customers leave with the product they purchased, and then imprisoning the customers.
If you have an account with Bet365, dont give them your hard earned money. Shut it down is my advice.
Tbh I started playing about 6 weeks ago and I'm positive 12k estimated. I withdrew 9k, 8k, 5k on different occasions. Who knows its still early but I feel either imma be banned or I'll stsrt losing money soon
@@zizouzus you won't be banned, they will limit your stakes or your deposits, happened to me on a different site, i won and lost, then won 11k of Live casino CT, in 3 days my withdrawals were 21k, they now put a limit to how much I can deposit 😂, only around £100 a month which is ridiculous, they don't like winners, they love taking peoples money, but when you win, they either ban or restrict you.
This whole system is corrupt, absolutely disgusting , the owner of this company pays herself over £100 million PER YEAR.
So whilst THE SAME people who are using these betting sites are committing suicide regularly and losing there homes/jobs families etc these blood sucking companies are making £BILLIONS each year peddling their misery profiting on these peoples addiction . It’s just disgusting
What most likely happened was he obtained welcome bonus bets on each of the account opened. As the terms of use state that this is one per customer and he was found to be the customer of all 1000 accounts it then becomes criminal in that he obtained money by deception. This is a crime. As you rightly said, if he’d have done this and lost every free welcome bonus they likely never would have chased him, but as he won they did. You need to understand that the terms of use can be used to convict for fraud when breaking those terms means the company loses out financially. So yes, I’m almost certain he got 1000 welcome bonus and many of them would have caused financial loss to Bet365 and there is the crime, T&Cs say you can’t do it, so the crime is fraud by misrepresentation / or obtaining goods or services by deception, both of which seem clear to have happened here.
Where I live it's rife I know people With hundreds of cards getting the welcome bonuses and cashing thousands of pounds a week
It's a Joke. Everything stacked in their favour' They should not be able to stop peoples accounts when they are deemed to have won too much. Outrageous.
Bet365 is throwing all sorts of reasons to get him jailed, and hoping he gets convicted by one of those accusations
Did I miss something or was the explanation vague to say the least, I was hoping for a little insight so I can swindle
More details have supposedly emerged since but theres a lot of grey areas... not really sure it was much of a swindle other than a mortgage application. The real swindlers are the betting companies.
5 years is ridiculous, £230k isn't even that much money.
What concerns me is how the betting industry seems to be everywhere. Direct sponsorship and advertising with nearly all media outlets. Why would any newspaper criticise a company spending 100 s of thousands with them.
Can you summarize in one sentence what you think the real reason is, because it wasn't very clear to me from the video?
Ban people who win? What the hell, so people with a gambling addiction can carry on ruining their life but win a little bit and you are banned.
The serious crime unit of most constabularies will have a strong relationship with the banks, who are continuously assisting with information requests. The charge backs were a step too far and his intuition should have told him so.
Our country is so dystopian, they won’t investigate crimes committed against individuals but they’ll throw the full force of the law and they assets to protect big businesses
Gala Bingo slipped a 'free £5 bet' in when I was almost £400 up once and made it so I couldn't take out my funds because they were tied to a bonus. I'm tired of weak people on power trips.
They are scum. People need to talk to their MPs.
Lawyers for big business are always into the 'profit protection' game, they won't chase 'mug'punters for the same activity, as no profit was made. A clear application of the 'rules' being subject to profit making accounts only. I doubt if long time losing accounts get similar or any scrutiny, but manage one lucky 'once in a lifetime' win, and that account will be scrutinised for a reason not to pay. Or as others have said, become better at gambling, winning more regularly, and they will simply close the account, with no reasonable explanation.
Has nothing to do with betting at all.
Exactly. None of his conviction had anything to do with betting on bet365
The gambling industry stinks. We need to nationalise the gambling industry and there's a very clear precedent for doing so - companies are nationalised when it's proven they haven't acted in the best interests of the general public or the country as a whole. That's clearly the case with our current crop. They blatantly encourage problem gamblers and flout/bend every law and regulation that comes their way, paying meaningless fines as a cost of doing business. There shouldn't be a betting shop on every high street nor adverts every 5 seconds on sports TV. The RTP on slots/casino games is criminally low and the restrictions based on horse-racing, sports betting and gambling of all forms is due to these companies and UKGC, who also need to be abolished as unfit for purpose. All the profit from gambling should go directly to the taxpayer as a shareholder in our new national gambling company, not into the pockets of greedy gangsters who would sell out their own granny for an extra fiver
"Companies are nationalised when it's proven they haven't acted in the best interests of the public or the country as a whole" err, not really. Companies are nationalised when they become worthless to the private sector and are making losses, but are essential public services so they are conveniently dumped onto the tax payer. I wish that I believed in fairies like yourself, but unfortunately the cold reality is that the system is predominantly ran by the rich for the rich and the public are little more than livestock who prop up the system, shepherded by the sheepdogs of the media propaganda machine
Honestly, I hope someday someone will manage to storm down and literally bankrupt these gambling companies. I know gambling is a mental disease, but these companies aren't doing shit against this addiction, even though they say they are. Yeah right, you give an addicted person bonuses to bet and then say that you aren't doing anything wrong. Piss off. This trend needs to stop and I hope it will be a buble that will burst soon and die down just aswell as it rose up.
akin to letting an alcoholic buy alcohol that comes with 10% extra free or even costing 10% less than the off licence down the road. supermarkets should bare some respobsilibility and indeed perform checks on all people buying alcohol incase they become addicted too. i mean, some people are addicted to things like shopping, they will take out credit cards and get in to debt from repeatedly buying items they do not need and thats why i am standing up to say that shops need to do more to protect the consumer, maybe if a person makes more than one shopping transcation in a week the shop staff should be trained to pull that person aside into a private room and attempt to counsel them and certainly be carrying out a lot more checks in the process, everytime anyone buys anything in my opinion, just in case they have an addictive personality. lets see all these billion pound organisations going bankrupt!!!
is what id be thinking if i lived in cloud cuckoo land and also listened to your rant
Who was that guy who broke the bank at Monte Carlo? Should call him in!
Aaaaargh too much common sense, it's breaking my head!
I was with 365 now at coral. Coral are definitely a league above them in payouts boosted odds etc
Coral are horrific, Entain owned.
You must b losing punter then 💯
That literally happened to me, £200 was used for bets with coral (I don’t have an account with them) I always wondered how they’d actually get their money outb
Sorry but this isn’t how it worked. It relates to bonuses obtained using ‘matched betting’ or other such schemes to withdraw bonus funds by using risk-free bets. And then withdrawing the same bonuses across multiple accounts to make thousands. The bank accounts used would have been the account holders accounts, and the account holders would pay the guy in cash minus a cut. I suspect Santander was simply involved as one party linked to certain transactions. In terms of the crime itself I agree it is debatable still as it’s a breach of terms and not a crime as such. It’s not a fraud if you have permission from the account holder. It’s somewhat unethical but then who are b365 to judge and the better outcome would be to identify and close rogue accounts using technology. It’s quite a complex scheme and difficult to execute. A lot of hours spent and even a job to run around the streets collecting money. Easier to start a legit business
2:08 Caan Berry inadvertently giving out a winning tip. Pottlerath wins the opener at Worcester today
And it did
The bottom line is betting companies shouldn't be allowed to refuse customers who win based on the fact they are winning,what planet are they living in we win you lose! That's our policy.
But if they were forced to lay bets to everyone they would get filled in by winning punters, which would then make them sharpen up their prices significantly and/or remove some markets. So, no thanks.
In-house lawyers that’s wot most of them have and u sign up and not read the T&c but ur signing up 2 anything they say or want 2 do , u can’t do anything coz uve signed the t&cs
If he had 1000 accounts theres no way he only made 236k, that's £234 per account, I reckon you can make 2k per account easy. (not that I've done it of course - honest). I read elsewhere that he got 2 years for mortgage fraud, as he told Santander he had a proper job and got his mate who owned a company to give them fake payslips.
What's your method to get 2k out of an account? Do you value bet on horse racing? That's what I'm doing at the moment but my accounts are getting restricted within a few hours
@@adammm321When I say "account", I meant identity, I believe he had set up 1000 different identites. So theoretically he could have created about 100+ accounts with different bookmakers per identity. Easy to get 2k from each identity using free bets etc. A lot of work though, and arguably illegal if those identites were fake.
The bookies will restrict you quite quickly if you are betting at a higher price than SP consistently, which you will be if you are getting value.
Bro leave tg tag
YES,THEY WAS CLOSE MY ACCOUNT WHEN I WAS START MAKE A MONEY. I WAS PLAY SINGLE BASKETBALL MATCHES AND WON MANY TIMES. BE CAREFUL!
I am Barr's from coral/ Ladbrokes. I along with another mate found that around a certain time of the day that the race had run, but was able to bet on the winner mostly dogs and virtual races as they are around 1 minute and the blip usually lasted about 1. 20 seconds. We got about £50000 through a period of 6 months my past attempt before being barred was £3750 on 3 bets. Never took me to court as it would have revealed a fault in corals system.
Does this glitch still work?
It's quite simple, he committed fraud and is guilty. Its not because he was a winning punter. Sentence does seems a bit harsh but I'm sure there is more to the story.
lol. He was sentenced because he gamed them. My mate was banned from every single agency he bet with. The terms of use state - we can cut you off at anytime. Why??????????????? Because you win too much. But if you cant pick your nose then please spend the childrens food money you degenerate junkie gambler. Agencies are the scum of the earth. Wanna bet - then go to a shopfront but they want them gone too.
Spot on mate. To suggest anything other is ridiculous 😊
Yep totally agree, the case here is extremely clear that he committed fraud (he even admitted guilt to the mortgage fraud) the sentence is indeed harsh but he took the piss, was greedy and got caught...simple
Gambling run by fair people could be so much more entertaining, fair, and exiting... Governments could distribute cash in to markets, keep working class happy, keep struggling people happy, keep economics booming... Now they support struggling business with 20k, 16k spent on private car, 4 k spend on business, rich get richer, poor get poorer... =)
It just shows you the priorities of the law and the courtrooms. You get a large sentence for trying to outwit a gambling establishment and yet sexual crimes get a lesser sentence. Where is the sense in this. Is this world just all about money?
Placing a bet on your own account on behalf of someone else is very different to using someone elses name to place a bet.
I don't think you have much criminal law experience. He used other ppl id to open bank accounts and betting accounts. That was the actual crime. Not the free bets
In otherwords they are hypocrites who make the rules up to suit themselves. They should be fined and closed down for fraud
Sorry mate but it took up to 3 mins for you to start getting to the point, just kept on repeating the headlines.
This is garbage don’t bet with them. I just won £340 from a £20 bet. They didn’t let me cash it out. Now that amount has been removed from my account. ???
Am I missing something here? Isn’t it clear that he was laundering money for likely some shady individuals? Why else would you need 1000 accounts, and why would 1000 people offer their details for him to use. This is so clearly money laundering and while betting company’s terms, conditions and policies may be a bit dubious, that’s got sweet FA to do with this case. Bejesus, a blind man could see what’s going on here. Plank of a video with pure NPC dialogue.
Taking money from rich people.
Our systems' most punished actions.
this video clarified nothing, in the uk cant you get access to court documenrs after a casse has concluded?
Not sure why people think this isn't fraud. I was a gambling addict for 5 years and it cost me a lot financially. Often I was working month after month for over 2 years for literally no money, every penny I had coming out was going straight back out again, to repay payday loans that I'd used the money to gamble on.
That said if he quite clearly breaches the terms and conditions of their site, they can ban him. If he then creates further accounts each time to continue using the site, and makes money out of it, it will be argued that it is fraud as they have closed his original account and do not wish to have any further business with him. As a private company they're entitled to do this, in the same way that your local builder could refuse to provide building services to you or your local pub could refuse to serve you if they wanted to, no private company is obliged to do business with anybody.
Clearly his involvement in this had more to it, involving possible chargebacks (a form of fraud on it's own in this situation) and potentially making use of bonuses or "Free bets" applied to each of the syndicate's 1000 accounts to profit from.
It's no wonder he was convicted of fraud.
I know people that use hundreds of cards and keep changing them every week making a fortune
On the jury were Billy Hill, Dan Coral, Betty Sky, Bob ''the lad' Brooks and Fred Bett.
Not surprising.
How else are the owners of these betting companies going to pay themselves billions in dividends?
Plenty of money for fancy lawyers & political 'donations'.
There's a lot of hypocrisy from bookmakers now they have to advertise "safe gambling". The bookies still want you to lose all your money, but now they have to pretend they care about their customer's financial welfare.
It's historically mafia racket. Billy Hill was gangster I think. pretty much. I dunno.
I just placed a bet on two Indian soccer matches, and no one scored in the second half. The company suspended the payout during the match because the stakes were good. They didn't let me withdraw before the match ended, so I lost the bet!
Having multiple accounts breaks the bookmaker's rules . It's not fraud.
Of course its fraud 🤣 the dude made thousands of accounts to effectively steal money
@@Josh-wm4sl no, he had permission of account holders to bet on their behalf.
These companies need investigation, any bets they don't pay out should be confiscated from the scam bookmakers. .
I got restricted in over 60 betting websites for winning over 50k$ from 100$. It sucks bruv but i still keep making new accounts in different sportsbook. Wish there was a way to avoid limits
Its a nightmare, make the most of it while you can - don't waste the money.
Why is this not all over the news?? Why are gambling adds still on TV after it was said they would be stopped... money talks... generations of gambling ahead if us all. To real
Surely the bigger crime here is the betting companies restriction of winning accounts? They only allow losing accounts to use their platforms. How does the government allow these companies to operate
I'm assuming because they get paid a lot from the companies, so they let it happen.
William hill keep stopping me use free spins and promotions for spending too much even though I'm in negative
Whys that?
Very interesting breakdown... one observation I would add, however, is that if the terms of use prohibit placing a bet in the name of another, and this is done en masse, that could be why it has been chaulked up as fraud. I'd be interested to have a chat in confidence about the additional material you have been provided, and perhaps do a joint analysis with our combined knowledge.
Certainly, I looked for a contact to reach out for you after others suggested but couldn't find one. I believe recently they tweaked their terms as it was debateable if it was even against their terms. Would be happy to share futher and perhaps follow up on that suggestion.
Opening 1000 accounts in other people’s names and receiving 1000 x £50 first deposit bonuses is obviously fraud. I don’t care what one policeman says about it. It would be fraud under the 2006 act. It’s clearly totally different to putting a bet on for your nan. Just because no cases have been prosecuted, doesn’t make it legal. Not that I personally have a problem with it. I’d like to see all these betting companies put out of business.
Your second account is accurate. It was clearly fraud due to claiming the charge back against the bank. Can’t understand how the bank we’re not the first to identify the issue.
They may have noticed first Anthony but I can imagine only on one account but in that instance he would have only been referred to Cifas and classed as a cat5 or 6 confirmed fraudster this has to be much more possibly multiple bank accounts as just fraud would not get you time the majority of the time, the correct term here is financial crime.
For me there should be more done about those with gambling addictions, if someone is placing a bet/s winning and then doing a chargeback about a transaction then I can understand why the likes of these betting companies would want to protect their business.
Where as someone who constantly wins?? Either due to a lucky guess in the likes of the grand national, football or having figured out some tip off/loophole/exploit then maybe te industry should look into it further rather than punish someone who maybe innocent of having accidently came across a winning combination in a couple of bids.
This probably isnt quite what was happening. My guess is, i havent looked into it, but he was matched betting. Santander dont allow customers to gamble, solely on their bank accounts, as in you only use the account for gambling purposes. This raised red flags for the gambler, who would deposit into the account, gamble, then withdraw. Im guessing he had 100s of accounts in santanders name, all feeding money back into the same persons name, so easy to flag.
Santander don't allow 😂😂😂 tf u smokin
The court 100% understand properly..just don't care for the normal people..gambling is the most important value for collecting money..easiest than collecting tax that's why the gambling sistem is fucked up in Uk
in the meantime they offer odds like 1/1000 on favourites and 20/1 on the outsider , people shouldnt be banned if they win unless they blatantly only look fior mistakes from the bookies , bookies offer unfair odds all the time.
Conspiracy to commit fraud? Say what?! So he never he even committed fraud. They sent him to prison over nothing. Wtf?!
UK gambling commission is a joke and utterly useless
Really funny. At the start of this video I got an advertisement for an online betting app.
All I learned from this was to deposit 10K on me nanas santander account on a 36 team acca... it wins I'm quintillionaire, if it loses just tell her to cashback the transaction wasn't her 🤔🤷♂️
In the casino, the cardinal rule is to keep them playing and to keep them coming back. The longer they play, the more they lose, and in the end, we get it all - Robert De Niro - Casino
The best way to combat these betting cartels and bad bookies is to just drop them altogether.
People power works, use it, put them either out of business or as near to it as possible.
this guy goes on different tangents to explain why the guy got jailed...just get to the point already, then bring in the context ! Reminds me of my wife :)
The establishment don’t like the working class winning.
The only way to win is not to bet at all...ever
Off topic and looking forward to watching this, but, if you're interested in any feedback, my humble suggestion is to review your mic and acoustics. Only a few seconds in and the echo-ing sound is off putting. Maybe I'm just being pedantic. Anyway, I shall now return to watching and enjoy more of your content. Keep it coming. I'm new to the world of sports betting and it's a fascinating journey.
I appreciate that 150,000 people seem to not find it a problem though :)
For once you're incredibly... wrong.
The case was won as using people's data without consent is illegal. The court case and nees reports all say many people said they did not give consent, and the guy using it was doing it on his own payment cards. That's illegal. It defines fraud. The bank had to join this case as they shouldn't have allowed this either.
Having a case "that you can't mention" is in no way similar to anything. You cant make an argument on what you cant show. I'll sign an NDA and show me?
For once you've taken something that's actually a crime and turned it into a conspiracy which doesn't make any sense. I'm a big fan in protecting players and RG, and allowed people to win, my bet365 personally was up considerably at one point and my stakes weren't restricted.
I think you need to find out more on this case before advising here.
Right so what you say is true but you have missed out the bit where he tried to claim back the money from frozen accounts in other peoples names and started court action against bet365 so when they sent correspondence to the customers who the accounts were named in, multiple of them said they had never used bet355. This was handed to the police as a precaution for fraud and through tracking ip addresses all led back to Jon. And part of his sentence was due to Santander and the fact that he disclosed his winnings as a salary from a fictitious job to try and fool mortgage lenders this is actual fraud which carries maximum sentence of 10 years amd he only got half of that
They are criminals.... taking your money but not giving you the money you win! This is a very ugly truth in all casinos and betting companies.
For a start, he didn't WIN £236,000, that's the amount he defrauded a company of. He was never entitled to collect this money. Secondly, he falsified his identity in order to gain a financial advantages he wouldn't have otherwise been entitled to. That's call fraud. The title of this video implies that someone won, then got locked up because they won. That's not what happened at all.
Surely with the 3rd party fraud it would be very easy to detect.. with ID needed to open an account when santander process the charge back and open their investigation if bet365 comply they would have the ID on the persecutor immediately?
It wouldn't have ended up in court if the bloke had multiple accounts which lost money . That's for sure.
That's not hypocritical though, just common sense
I mean, thats not necessarily true at all...his conviction was for Mortgage fraud