It's not that they're getting 'inside information' at all. It's just that whatever means they are using (probably just a combination of form study and people specialising in certain betting fields) are simply identifying over-priced selections and then the market is correcting that as the outfit is successful and has many members. The sudden influx of money (particularly on exchanges) will then make the bookies drop their price very quickly (they have AI systems in place that monitor betting exchange activity and slash odds automatically). That is what is happening, and that's why the prices don't last long with any successful tipping service.
All odds heavily rely on supply and demand. So yes, as soon as lots of money goes down on a horse, the odds always reduce. These tipsters are just using +EV selections
Agreed. I mean they may have inside information as well, but more likely that they are simply identifying overpriced selections and bookies are moving the markets when the money comes. I'm sure they aren't the only people identifying those overpriced selections and the weight of money from others who have identified them is likely moving the market as well.
correct and everyday people can do this by checking odds for trebles that 8/10 would win say man city vs southampton, arsenal vs west have and liverpool vs ipswich 😂 wouldn't be that simple as the odds would never be good for those fixtures but you understand i hope 😂
Great channel. I did a bit of analysis myself lately on the racing post assist lads as I was curious. Premier league, EFL matches since early august. 148 singles tips, 52 winners, 7 void, 89 losers. Overall, -26.95 to a 1 point stake. Not the biggest sample size but just thought id share anyway.
I looked at doing the RP but it's really random when they post the tips and just want people to click various links - well that how it seemed when I looked anyway.
Hi Caan, big fan of your videos over the years so on that basis, signed up with the hope of it being genuine tips. Its frustrating as they're claiming insider knowledge when we all know they're just backing movers (im able to identify the greyhound they're going to select before they post it on the group) Been doing movers myself very successfully on Greyhounds, American Racing and U21 football over many years so was hoping this to be something different. Just a shame that the people subscribing are going to be losing accounts over small stakes. Should come to me and go out with a bang instead. Lovely to see the points system showing healthy profits but unfortunately none of their subscribers will get anywhere near that due to prices quoted not being there at time of post (on the dogs) and with the account limitations
Well explained. Thanks for bringing up the videos financial education is indeed required for more than 70% of the society in the country as very few are literate on the subject.
Good vid again Caan. Just a quick question how easy did you find it to get the price that they advertised as winners. Did you find it difficult to get the value, or was it mainly gone by the time you struck the bet.
It was pretty easy to get excluding one time (think I mentioned it in the vid). There was usually at least 2-3 books with the price available although it did go, sometimes quicker than others - was good for at least 10-15 mins in most cases sometimes a lot longer.
Big fan of yours. Was a big punter in the late 70s to around 1983. Owned a few greyhounds and we pulled a lot of strokes. In the end it was near impossible to place any big bets.
Great analysis! So let's say if I jist backed tips on betfair exchange straight away after receiving, that should still be better than bookies ? Specially in dogs!?
hey caan , did you find this was good to use pre racing on exchange ? Do the odds usually drop near the race ? did u find a correlation to these on most of the races? can u tell something about it ?
There was liquidity most of the time yes although didn't sit and record all the exchange markets too it would have just taken too long - can look at that in future too sure.
@@CaanBerryProTrader if you do a follow up video would be good to track the performance of the tips on the exchange. I'm sure you'll agree that beating the bookmaker odds is a lot easier and less worthwhile than beating the exchange odds
Really Really for you know how they are profitable you need around 1000 markets to make finaly judge because in long term 1000 markets should telly you how profitable or on 0 0 or even negative
If you do another month maybe a good idea to log the p/l from horse and greyhound bets separately. I find it extremely difficult to get on greyhounds at the prices advised
Tipsters advise their bets as 1 pt win, 2 pt win for example. £10 a point simply means you back £10 on a 1pt win, £20 on a 2pt win etc. Obviously if you have a smaller bankroll a point may be smaller for you and if you have a bigger bankroll it may be bigger. It's up to you how much you consider a point to be but obviously tipsters will advise larger pt stakes on the selections they think offer the best value and will generally calculate their profit & loss in pts - so to see what that P/L will mean for you, multiple it by whatever you can afford to back per point.
Tipsters will often say 3pts to win or 1pt on a trixie which = 4pts ie £30 to win on a single or £40 on a variety of multiple bets 3 doubles and a treble across 3 selections
Hi Cann. I have just tried their 3 day trial! I was very optimistic but sadly found that not all the odds that they quoted were still available at the time they were quoted (I did log into the sites immediately after they were announced). Such a shame!
Could you do a clip showing what is the best way to get around bookmakers not letting you bet with them is there a way to open say a new bank account and place bets via a different ip address.
Best just pick your own. Nobody else to blame then. Games getting harder and harder. 10 years ago I was turning over 3 million pa now it's a fraction of that figure. The markets have shrunk by around 60%.So not a lot of scraps left.
Given many may struggle to even get a tenner on at most bookies, is it likely the exchange price would be better or are they broadly calling out where certain bookies prices are arbing? Certainly a solid advert for people to give them a go 👍🏻
In Taan we Trust! It all just seems all too good to be true? or is just Smoke and Mirrors. Love your documentary detective narrative style. Keep em coming! Cheers
Great video. Could you do a video on the website who scored. They claim to be up 42 points in September. I use this website for my weekly acca. Ive never paid for tips but ive been tempted many times!!
A variety of stuff, pc is frustrating and there are some easier things although I prefer to have a more diverse approach now. I'm sure you can see why..
Caan was the 65pts profit on softs? what was profit if you backed on exchange? Tipster content is great and helps people like me (who arent into racing that much) find good services! would love to find more exchange friendly services!
As always Caan the restrictions on accounts mean that only the exchanges can accommodate a consistent winner. Very interesting to see the massive swing in average SP’s so if you can get on with those bookie then why not give this service a go?. How long will it be before winning accounts are restricted 😂
I’ve been in the group a couple months and found anything over £20 a point you risk closing accounts fast especially on greyhounds. Not really scalable but good for £10 bets. I used loads of friends accounts to get £50-£100 bets down and some even got closed in 2 days
@@CaanBerryProTrader agreed, there is a lot of services that hide p&l or post unavailable odds. These guys seem legit though. Looking forward to more videos on this 👍
Are you sure they are not removing results? They had a similar edge over BSP and results in October. According to their edge over BSP - At advised units and price they should have won £743 at £100 per unit (5.7% ROI) Yet they claim to have won £5400 (41.5% ROI) (Doubles and e/w removed) A quick look over the other months and it looks like they are claiming to have a 20+% ROI over 1000 bets, yet only beat the BSP by around 6% (only 200/1000 BSPs checked so far) I am going to check the other months BSP, but this seems fishy
I have been betting for almost 4 years. Here is what I have learned. A. The only way to profit for sure is rigged matches. Which means you need inside information and usually it is within your country's Liga. B. The only theoretically sound bets are unders. Because they have won from the get go. Double chances too. C. The only market that data truly applies to is corners. Nothing else. Which is what I solely bet on. And it is why it doesn't exist in any betting store (local, where you physically show yourself and bet I mean, not online). D. Cards are one of the most easily manipulated/rigged market, but requires ties to teams and players and usually has a cap (here in Greece, x player to be carded usually will limit you to 3k max bet) Value betting, 1u betting, martingale betting, all this is pure bs. Simple as. Apply the A-D and that's it. I suppose horse racing also does have rigged ones but dunno.
May be your experience in Greece but absolute rubbish anywhere else. Rigged matches aren't happening every day everywhere, starting at unders means absolutely nothing to the likelihood that it will stay that way by the full time result, it's incredibly narrow-minded to say there's only one market where data applies - it may be the one you've had the most success with but is ridiculous to suggest data is irrelevant in other markets. Value betting is the only way to make long term profit betting on sports so to call this bs is ridiculous.
@CaanBerryProTrader bro no offense but we don't bet on kiddy365 with family accounts. We bet in major betting sites that are at pinnacle level if not better. And I tell you, rigged matches are the way, corners are the only market true to stats (lineups, data) and the unders are theoretically "safe" from startup so - in theory - no "gambling". Please elaborate why I'm so wrong. I don't wanna trash your video, whether you push these guys or not. But value betting on a single exchange never worked. Never. Ever. Plus no reputable betting exchange "limits" accounts that play value bets. Matter of fact, a reputable site doesn't have any value bets to be found. Try finding them on Stoiximan, you won't. Anyways...
Says PayPal payment only card link don't work also says cancel any time membership but there's no option to do so??? Looks very fishy, just a not on telagram no cousmer service are chat. Bet you got paid well for this
insider edge is terrible for value betting , and for horses. I am in a server with 5,533% profit within 5 months and we have guys who can tip horses better and for more profit than that group. Insider edge is not a true example of successful value betting.
@@CaanBerryProTrader We are a small group so i will have to discuss with them about releasing the name (ie. if you were to make content on the group there would be heightened exposure and more members). We are the most profitable value betting server itw and i’m happy to provide accurate p/l’s to back that claim.
@@alexrussell5150 hello sorry for the intrusion if that was the case how about 10 day trial period for proof with someone like me who is mikes away in Africa you won't be exposed at anycost what say you? This would really help in my current situation
So you proved that backing the tips immediately got you better than BSP, but BSP always going to be loser as not everyone bets them immediately and weight of money will affect the market
Lol we all know ....no one gonna win by tips just the luck of the draw.... i bet none them tipster got rich by betting organically only way selling a lie
Tried then today set of jokers in dog race other trainers dog won save your cash and pick your own. Plus if u don't get price in 30 secs then it's halved
I’ve tried most and they are by far and away the best out there. Good to see them getting the recognition they deserve👍🏽
I had a look at their P+L on their site stats over the past few months and they profits are really small, did you find this too?
Newmarketbigmark no 1 tipster
gambling is for losers whit no irl skills
@@markjames8070what about the moosh 🕺🏼
It's not that they're getting 'inside information' at all. It's just that whatever means they are using (probably just a combination of form study and people specialising in certain betting fields) are simply identifying over-priced selections and then the market is correcting that as the outfit is successful and has many members. The sudden influx of money (particularly on exchanges) will then make the bookies drop their price very quickly (they have AI systems in place that monitor betting exchange activity and slash odds automatically). That is what is happening, and that's why the prices don't last long with any successful tipping service.
yeah they defo have a software in place to reduce odds as soon as a influx of money is being placed all at once.
Spot on.
All odds heavily rely on supply and demand. So yes, as soon as lots of money goes down on a horse, the odds always reduce. These tipsters are just using +EV selections
Agreed. I mean they may have inside information as well, but more likely that they are simply identifying overpriced selections and bookies are moving the markets when the money comes. I'm sure they aren't the only people identifying those overpriced selections and the weight of money from others who have identified them is likely moving the market as well.
correct and everyday people can do this by checking odds for trebles that 8/10 would win say man city vs southampton, arsenal vs west have and liverpool vs ipswich 😂 wouldn't be that simple as the odds would never be good for those fixtures but you understand i hope 😂
Great video again with interesting results 👍. More tipster content, please, in the future !
Thanks, will do!
Please do another video
You're doing gods work and you deserve way more subs
Absolutely love your Vegas casino stories on your other channel. Keep up the good work hustler
Great channel. I did a bit of analysis myself lately on the racing post assist lads as I was curious. Premier league, EFL matches since early august. 148 singles tips, 52 winners, 7 void, 89 losers. Overall, -26.95 to a 1 point stake. Not the biggest sample size but just thought id share anyway.
I looked at doing the RP but it's really random when they post the tips and just want people to click various links - well that how it seemed when I looked anyway.
As always! Very informative Caan
Thanks again, much appreciated.
Yes follow up with another sample please thanks
Noted.
I’ll second that.
yes do another month plz 😊
A follow up would be good. Cheers.
Yep second that
Brilliant info. U are by far the best gambling content creator on the internet 😎😎😎. More of the same please
Hi Caan, big fan of your videos over the years so on that basis, signed up with the hope of it being genuine tips. Its frustrating as they're claiming insider knowledge when we all know they're just backing movers (im able to identify the greyhound they're going to select before they post it on the group)
Been doing movers myself very successfully on Greyhounds, American Racing and U21 football over many years so was hoping this to be something different. Just a shame that the people subscribing are going to be losing accounts over small stakes. Should come to me and go out with a bang instead. Lovely to see the points system showing healthy profits but unfortunately none of their subscribers will get anywhere near that due to prices quoted not being there at time of post (on the dogs) and with the account limitations
Well explained. Thanks for bringing up the videos financial education is indeed required for more than 70% of the society in the country as very few are literate on the subject.
Thanks!!
Great video mate, just subscribed
Good vid again Caan. Just a quick question how easy did you find it to get the price that they advertised as winners. Did you find it difficult to get the value, or was it mainly gone by the time you struck the bet.
It was pretty easy to get excluding one time (think I mentioned it in the vid). There was usually at least 2-3 books with the price available although it did go, sometimes quicker than others - was good for at least 10-15 mins in most cases sometimes a lot longer.
Big fan of yours. Was a big punter in the late 70s to around 1983. Owned a few greyhounds and we pulled a lot of strokes. In the end it was near impossible to place any big bets.
Interesting, thanks.
@@CaanBerryProTrader we won the 1980 Greyhound St Ledger. Managed to back him at 100/1 3 months before the event began.
Micky D is the best tipster ive seen, hardworking Irish bloke providing winner after winner for free on YT.
I've seen them for a while and been tempted
Hi Craig, another great and informative video. When you were put the bets on, did you compare the exchange price at that time?
Hello ! Any tipster that does Austrialia horses/ greyhound and hk and sg horses to recommend
Any chance of making the Excel file available?
The entire record and all sheets are linked in description.
@@CaanBerryProTrader I did notice that but your spreadsheet has the BSP, which is helpful 👍Thanks for a great video.
Top content as always .Off topic but what beard trimmer do you use and what length/guard
Same one as ya mams
Great video - waiting for part 2
Noted, thanks.
Great analysis!
So let's say if I jist backed tips on betfair exchange straight away after receiving, that should still be better than bookies ? Specially in dogs!?
10:09 what is the difference between average tip price and average price advised? Surely that is the same thing?
Not sure I follow; it could mean the SP, BSP or advised price depending on which line you refer to.
hey caan , did you find this was good to use pre racing on exchange ?
Do the odds usually drop near the race ? did u find a correlation to these on most of the races? can u tell something about it ?
There was liquidity most of the time yes although didn't sit and record all the exchange markets too it would have just taken too long - can look at that in future too sure.
@@CaanBerryProTrader if you do a follow up video would be good to track the performance of the tips on the exchange. I'm sure you'll agree that beating the bookmaker odds is a lot easier and less worthwhile than beating the exchange odds
Honestly it woulndn't surprise me if bookmakers follow a lot of tipster or software just to detect there own faults
If I'm in a full time job, can I still benefit from these tips? When are the tips published? Throughout the day or first thing in the morning?
I’m fill time and I get on all mate - horses at 7/8am, greyhounds throughout the day/ eve
Really Really for you know how they are profitable you need around 1000 markets to make finaly judge because in long term 1000 markets should telly you how profitable or on 0 0 or even negative
If you do another month maybe a good idea to log the p/l from horse and greyhound bets separately. I find it extremely difficult to get on greyhounds at the prices advised
I Caan i have just one question is it possible to get banned from betfair on the exchange because of to much winning? Thanks best regards
No, you pay premium charge instead. See the video on the channel - Betfair super tax on winning.
By £10 a point do you mean £10 singlely placed on each bet separately
Tipsters advise their bets as 1 pt win, 2 pt win for example. £10 a point simply means you back £10 on a 1pt win, £20 on a 2pt win etc.
Obviously if you have a smaller bankroll a point may be smaller for you and if you have a bigger bankroll it may be bigger. It's up to you how much you consider a point to be but obviously tipsters will advise larger pt stakes on the selections they think offer the best value and will generally calculate their profit & loss in pts - so to see what that P/L will mean for you, multiple it by whatever you can afford to back per point.
The bet will be advised as a number of points, such as 2 point win, which would be £20 win using £10 per point.
Tipsters will often say 3pts to win or 1pt on a trixie which = 4pts ie £30 to win on a single or £40 on a variety of multiple bets 3 doubles and a treble across 3 selections
Hi Cann. I have just tried their 3 day trial! I was very optimistic but sadly found that not all the odds that they quoted were still available at the time they were quoted (I did log into the sites immediately after they were announced). Such a shame!
roughly what % of the time were the odds still available?
Card payment available for premium?
Could you do a clip showing what is the best way to get around bookmakers not letting you bet with them is there a way to open say a new bank account and place bets via a different ip address.
Can you not use these to trade on the excahnges?
Best just pick your own. Nobody else to blame then. Games getting harder and harder. 10 years ago I was turning over 3 million pa now it's a fraction of that figure. The markets have shrunk by around 60%.So not a lot of scraps left.
Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
You're making over a million a year picking your own with no insider info or computer analysis? 😂
@@imemine8605They said turning over not profits, big difference. I regularly turn over £70k a month betting even now.
@@imemine8605 if you have edge in some leagues this could be true so dont Laugh.
Ignore this silly comment
Given many may struggle to even get a tenner on at most bookies, is it likely the exchange price would be better or are they broadly calling out where certain bookies prices are arbing?
Certainly a solid advert for people to give them a go 👍🏻
Absolutely!
Really good video mate!
Does this guy also run the channel tilt?
In Taan we Trust! It all just seems all too good to be true? or is just Smoke and Mirrors. Love your documentary detective narrative style.
Keep em coming! Cheers
Taan? 😂
Do you have a stake in them?
No.
Great video, I think you should do the same with NateBetting, all I ever see is winning slips on X, can he really be that good?
Great video. Could you do a video on the website who scored. They claim to be up 42 points in September. I use this website for my weekly acca. Ive never paid for tips but ive been tempted many times!!
So would it be worth it backing these tips on betfair?
Someone else said this, would need to look into it further to be sure - probably a video of its own.
No mate. No value in it
GOATS🐐
Do you own the TH-cam channel "TILT"? It does stories about people who exploit flaws in casinos - you sound and have similar cadence to him
I do wonder how long cherished accounts would last using them, though...
This is the thing - we can't control how the bookies behave, and we all know how that is over the longer term.
what are you up to these days Caan? Still doing pre off?
A variety of stuff, pc is frustrating and there are some easier things although I prefer to have a more diverse approach now. I'm sure you can see why..
Caan was the 65pts profit on softs? what was profit if you backed on exchange?
Tipster content is great and helps people like me (who arent into racing that much) find good services! would love to find more exchange friendly services!
Was on a mixture of books, although there was more than one book standing the price each time.
As always Caan the restrictions on accounts mean that only the exchanges can accommodate a consistent winner. Very interesting to see the massive swing in average SP’s so if you can get on with those bookie then why not give this service a go?. How long will it be before winning accounts are restricted 😂
I’ve been in the group a couple months and found anything over £20 a point you risk closing accounts fast especially on greyhounds. Not really scalable but good for £10 bets. I used loads of friends accounts to get £50-£100 bets down and some even got closed in 2 days
This is the problem, bookies, and all the docs stuff.
Great video again with interesting results 👍. More tipster content, please, in the future ! dplct
Noted, thanks.
sir plzz make video on use rebel betting software for 30 days in value betting sector and plzz show the results
Can you get gubbed on betting exchange? By placing arbitrage bets?
No, premium charges on winnings tho over £5,000.
I use my own tips and I’m +350 points up for the last twelve months. Not for me.
Thanks for sharing 🙂
Is there any other similar services?
Theres lots of services, the problems are the points raised in the video. Will see about adding more reviews for others too.
@@CaanBerryProTrader agreed, there is a lot of services that hide p&l or post unavailable odds. These guys seem legit though. Looking forward to more videos on this 👍
Are you sure they are not removing results?
They had a similar edge over BSP and results in October.
According to their edge over BSP - At advised units and price they should have won £743 at £100 per unit (5.7% ROI)
Yet they claim to have won £5400 (41.5% ROI)
(Doubles and e/w removed)
A quick look over the other months and it looks like they are claiming to have a 20+% ROI over 1000 bets, yet only beat the BSP by around 6% (only 200/1000 BSPs checked so far)
I am going to check the other months BSP, but this seems fishy
Yes certain. I thought the same initially, but really its not. The downside being obviously you may get accounts restricted.
How much of your own money did you invest for £10 per point ?
I have been betting for almost 4 years. Here is what I have learned.
A. The only way to profit for sure is rigged matches. Which means you need inside information and usually it is within your country's Liga.
B. The only theoretically sound bets are unders. Because they have won from the get go. Double chances too.
C. The only market that data truly applies to is corners. Nothing else. Which is what I solely bet on. And it is why it doesn't exist in any betting store (local, where you physically show yourself and bet I mean, not online).
D. Cards are one of the most easily manipulated/rigged market, but requires ties to teams and players and usually has a cap (here in Greece, x player to be carded usually will limit you to 3k max bet)
Value betting, 1u betting, martingale betting, all this is pure bs. Simple as. Apply the A-D and that's it. I suppose horse racing also does have rigged ones but dunno.
May be your experience in Greece but absolute rubbish anywhere else. Rigged matches aren't happening every day everywhere, starting at unders means absolutely nothing to the likelihood that it will stay that way by the full time result, it's incredibly narrow-minded to say there's only one market where data applies - it may be the one you've had the most success with but is ridiculous to suggest data is irrelevant in other markets.
Value betting is the only way to make long term profit betting on sports so to call this bs is ridiculous.
I've been betting 12 years, 10 of them for a living. What I've learned is nearly everything you said there is incorrect.
@CaanBerryProTrader bro no offense but we don't bet on kiddy365 with family accounts. We bet in major betting sites that are at pinnacle level if not better. And I tell you, rigged matches are the way, corners are the only market true to stats (lineups, data) and the unders are theoretically "safe" from startup so - in theory - no "gambling". Please elaborate why I'm so wrong. I don't wanna trash your video, whether you push these guys or not. But value betting on a single exchange never worked. Never. Ever. Plus no reputable betting exchange "limits" accounts that play value bets. Matter of fact, a reputable site doesn't have any value bets to be found. Try finding them on Stoiximan, you won't. Anyways...
Please do another follow up
ive been winning by seeing what these called tipsters are picking and i pick against them 😅
Says PayPal payment only card link don't work also says cancel any time membership but there's no option to do so??? Looks very fishy, just a not on telagram no cousmer service are chat.
Bet you got paid well for this
PayPal is a seperate processor so you can cancel when you like, when you leave the group it automatically cancels via ApplePay if you take a look!
How many of the losers were placed?
Not sure, see the results sheets on the link in description its all there.
It's not about the losers it's about the overall value of the bets it's not like every bet is evens money
Great advert
Another 30 days on it please
Noted.
Anything that causes bookies a loss is a thumbs up from me
Test Tipster Charlie. Rellay good
Good luck trying to cancel with them!! Nightmare
insider edge is terrible for value betting , and for horses. I am in a server with 5,533% profit within 5 months and we have guys who can tip horses better and for more profit than that group. Insider edge is not a true example of successful value betting.
Thats one hell of a profit - care to give me access?
@@CaanBerryProTrader We are a small group so i will have to discuss with them about releasing the name (ie. if you were to make content on the group there would be heightened exposure and more members). We are the most profitable value betting server itw and i’m happy to provide accurate p/l’s to back that claim.
@@alexrussell5150 hello sorry for the intrusion if that was the case how about 10 day trial period for proof with someone like me who is mikes away in Africa you won't be exposed at anycost what say you? This would really help in my current situation
So you proved that backing the tips immediately got you better than BSP, but BSP always going to be loser as not everyone bets them immediately and weight of money will affect the market
BSP is the best way of measuring market value even though its not always totally effective in the short-term. I dont understand your question?
Bash the bookies be amazing for me 100pts profit every month
Pro Sports Advice would be a great channel to do
I've used a free trial like this, ended up 30 pun up and shit myself after that. Didn't have the stones to carry it on 😂😂😂
What is 30 pun ?
30 Scottish notes I reckon @@K2OWE
Yes please more results
Noted.
Keep tracking please
Will do, thanks.
Please do Moosh tips, the biggest con man out there!
Oh gawwwd
@@CaanBerryProTrader PLEASE DO IT !! Expose the conman!
Never buy tout picks. Gambling is very difficult to win.
If you gamble make sure it's for very small amouts of money.
I'm first 🥇
I know some legit source
😂😂😂
Lol we all know ....no one gonna win by tips just the luck of the draw.... i bet none them tipster got rich by betting organically only way selling a lie
You're being held back by your own perception.
Can you analyse “Moosh Tips”.
Tried then today set of jokers in dog race other trainers dog won save your cash and pick your own. Plus if u don't get price in 30 secs then it's halved
Washed tips not one horse has won in 2 weeks