"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" This quote by Paarthurnax from Skyrim best exemplifies Bao-Dur during his story. Rage and anger became his nature thanks to the Mandolorian Wars, but thanks to Meetra Surik, he could finally overcome that which haunted him and held him back for over a decade. His life with the exile, and his subsequent death, were beautiful pieces of story telling where we see one man struggling with the sins of the past and before finally overcoming them and dying content in the knowledge that he is not evil, but good. One who helps, rather than destroys. A true hero, a true Jedi.
Ah, once more we go to Knights of the Old Republic’s 2 a game that made us question everything about the Force, the Jedi, the Sith, and both the Dark Side and Light Side, and showing to us that the Jedi are more than their Code and powers, but the ability to connect themselves and others through their compassion and love.
@@ft_shipper only ever played the base game, and I don't recall him dying... except every single battle I took him out in because he couldn't take a single blaster hit
Bruh have you even played the game. He doesn't die in the game, it's cut content that hasn't been modded back into the game yet and there isn't any reference to him dying in game with or without the Restored Content Mod.
I never knew he built the mass shadow generator, i also didn't know when i first played the game that bao-dur, atton, and mira could become jedi. I like his cybernetic arm very cool.
The man who made the atomic bomb of the Star Wars galaxy who became a Jedi. His time may have been brief but in the end his super weapon ultimate saved the galaxy when used the second time.
Say, Geetsly's, can you please explore the lives and careers of Keyan Farlander and Maarek Stele from the X-Wing and TIE Fighter video games respectively? Would love the usual fans and even veterans of those games (myself included) to know more about those. (And if you need reading material, there's the Farlander Papers, Stele Chronicles, and their respective Collector's CD-ROM Official Strategy Guides. Also, if you guys need gameplay footage for reference, I'll recommend LPhoenix's playthroughs of the games.)
The guy who made the first gatling gun I also believe would feel remorse today, as he originally created it as sorta Cold War tactic, he meant it was a weapon so brutal people wouldn’t actually want to even consider using it and that it would ultimately show the futility of war, well how wrong he was…
@@michaelandreipalon359 He didn’t even meant for those to be a weapon, he created dynamite to be able to dig quickly and has such rescue miners in mine accidents.
Kinda wish you'd added in that Darth Nihilus was created on Malachor V because of the mass shadow generator, but aside from that, top quality video my man!!
Can you do a video commenting on how Dave Filoni developed the Jedi in clone wars as an institution that made big mistakes and if that deviated from what George Lucas developed the jedi to symbolically represent in history? Do you think this "subversion" ended up working and giving the story the depth it needed? Do you think that George Lucas already raised this question, but didn't develop it in the story of the Prequels because that wasn't the focus of the plot?
The whole plot of prequels is that the Jedi failed themselves by not listening to Qui-Gon on both the return of the Sith AND training Anakin as a Jedi. Had they listened Qui-Gon would have gotten the aid he needed on Naboo, and Anakin would have had a Jedi Master who actually understood how to deal with his unique circumstances as a Jedi. It's not that it's under developed, it's all there in the Duel of the Fates, it's that people tended to disregard Qui-Gon as a character because they hated the fact that Yoda wasn't Obi-Wan's direct teacher. Obi-Wan only said he was instructed by Yoda, not that he was his formal Jedi Master. Yoda taught younglings and guided Obi-Wan on his path to Knighthood. The Council simply did not support or trust Anakin, and because they never did he simply never belonged, even when given a seat on it. They had the messiah of the Jedi and they handed him over to the devil through negligence and arrogance. It's all there in the prequels based on their actions and how they visibly treat Anakin.
Yeah, it's cut content. The Restoration mod wasn't able to put it back in the game, but was revealed in an interview with Chris Avellone, the game's writer and director.
@@BriFiConnections What exactly did you mean though? That Meetra Surik isn't canon within the context of the Knights of the Old Republic Legends continuity? There's Canon and there's canon.
Disney just needs to revive Luke and bring Jedi back. Heck Rey could reinstate Jedi Order with Luke's ghost. We need New Republic, Rogue Force, and Luke's Jedi like in Legends.
Redemption is one of the most pure concepts. Exemplified further by Bao-dur’s ultimate sacrifice. Fell into the dark and rose above it and died serving the light
@@michaelandreipalon359 COMPOR was the predecessor of COMPNOR and the Republic accidentally polluted Nohgri (but what the Separatists were carrying polluted Honoghr)
@@tristynbishop6158 And that's why they deserved to be counter-purged after Endor. Shame some of them escaped into worlds like Bastion. Oh, well, if it means giving our unsanctioned covert shadow ops some *snickers* exercise and target practice.
Play Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, especially with the Restored Content Mod. Also, KotOR I, for more reference and not be caught out of the loop.
True, but got to consider... everyone dies. Unless your Revan or Yoda, then you will live a few hundred years. But then he is also giving the deleted scene as well. So without knowing the deleted missions, kinda hard to tell.
Sure was a genocide of the old greatness of the Mandos... anyhow, he didn't do much wrong (and the activation of the MSG was a huge necessity), so yeah, he's forgiven. Also, his voice is ASMR incarnate, akin to Walton Simons from Deus Ex. Jenna Zan Arbor, on the other hand... that blonde (redhead?) witch was cray-cray!
@@sambridgers9543 HK-47 says otherwise when discussing the battle, stating that Revan did it not only to defeat the Mandos, but to weed out and kill all those who had doubted his leadership to that point (aka the soldiers and Jedi in the Exile's fleet, as they followed her without question no matter the outcome due to her innate bonding, but chafed under Revan's questionable strategies)
Damn good redemption story. Not sure of his characterization. While the weapon he created did kill millions, and he made it with hatred intent, but the weapon was used in a battle, on orders of a legal commander, it sounds as if no civilians were killed, and the weapon was simply more powerful than expected. Bao Dur, I'm sure, would accuse himself as being a genocidal murderer but I don't think he fits that definition. I do love his regret of what happened, and think it shows what kind of Jedi, and man, he was. Another great story that fans would love and so the Rat won't ever attempt to bring to the big or small screens.
It's nice, but I hope content creators explore the likes of X-Wing game series lore (especially TIE Fighter's), alongside the Jedi Knight series/Dark Forces Saga, Empire at War's campaigns and even the janky Rebel Assault duology.
To be fair, there weren't any really romance arcs in KOTOR 2. The closest we got was unrequited love from some of the companions, Atris, or Sion (depending on Exile's gender).
Malacore became a dark side nexus. A sith actually hid a holocron here for some reason which Ezra bridger would later find and take learning some of the abilities in it.
Malachor V had been a dark side nexus before, that's why the Trayus academy of the True Sith had been built there in the first place. Both amplified each other: The dark side nexus which already existed before on one hand and the taint of what happened at the Trayus academy on the other hand. It had been a cursed world even the Mandolorians considered it taboo. Revan didn't choose it by accident for the final battle of the Mandalorian wars. He used it to get rid of the Mandos and eventual opposition in his own ranks. The battle of Malachor V, particularly the mass shadow generator, turned the already cursed world into a wound of the Force... one that didn't heal on its own...
I was confused by the title and after finding out it was Bao Dur. The title is misleading, yes Bao Dur is responsible for Malachor V but it does not make it a genocide. Seriously, the word genocide is used as a whim this days. Unless you guys are talking about Bao Dur revenge on the Mandalorian.
Was this weapon something SO badly needed that someone so bad, least at first, was turned a blind eye to..? Sounds like a walking cautionary tale from what heard later from the start of the video. Least he came around and cleaned up his mess in the very end. Even if an army and navy both got on his way to do it
I actually wondered if there was a story about someone Jedi Order to have a new start. And I guess this could technically be one. I kinda need more stories about someone with a terrible history, like living in an impoverished community and suffered some kind of exploitation or abuse, and deciding to join the Order to turn a new leaf and help people like himself.
Wonderful video, but the title feels a bit misleading compared to the contents. Also, I don't know if this is within your control, but in the course of watching this fifteen-minute video, I had to break for ads five times. I don't get it.
Redemption stories all make for the best and most interesting of tales and the hero struggles and fights to atone for past sins and eventually finding a way to do so. With Bao-Dur story being one of many that feature throughout the star wars saga and galaxy.
Could you talk about midichlorians I've seen nobody talk about them really at all is their no history. It just seem like they be far more important then well everything sense they let the sith and jedi use the force are they evil or neutral or nothing.
"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" This quote by Paarthurnax from Skyrim best exemplifies Bao-Dur during his story. Rage and anger became his nature thanks to the Mandolorian Wars, but thanks to Meetra Surik, he could finally overcome that which haunted him and held him back for over a decade. His life with the exile, and his subsequent death, were beautiful pieces of story telling where we see one man struggling with the sins of the past and before finally overcoming them and dying content in the knowledge that he is not evil, but good. One who helps, rather than destroys. A true hero, a true Jedi.
A man of culture I see, and yes partysnacks was a wise man/dragon indeed
All hail the winged mario dragon! (kowtow emote / fnis animation mods)
@@MajorBaker-vz9go I was once a man of culture, that is until I took an arrow to the knee.
Ah, once more we go to Knights of the Old Republic’s 2 a game that made us question everything about the Force, the Jedi, the Sith, and both the Dark Side and Light Side, and showing to us that the Jedi are more than their Code and powers, but the ability to connect themselves and others through their compassion and love.
He’s like Chief O’Brien in Star Trek: “It’s not you I hate Cardassian. I hate what I became because of you.”
The Old Republic needs a TV show and a movie trilogy
Here's to hoping Mandorla, featuring Vima Sunrider, gets uncanceled.
💯
Absolutely
and a Disney proof Pocket Universe
I agree
I remember I saw him in the game trailers and I was like damn, he's awesome. I hope I get to play as him. Then he died.
I don’t know what they did to the man, but he had what basically was -30 constitution
@@ft_shipper only ever played the base game, and I don't recall him dying... except every single battle I took him out in because he couldn't take a single blaster hit
@@lucasball5336 His name is bao dur but he was not bao durable
Bruh have you even played the game. He doesn't die in the game, it's cut content that hasn't been modded back into the game yet and there isn't any reference to him dying in game with or without the Restored Content Mod.
That was Kao Zen Darach
I never knew he built the mass shadow generator, i also didn't know when i first played the game that bao-dur, atton, and mira could become jedi.
I like his cybernetic arm very cool.
@@BriFiConnections them to.
Jedi exile: What happened to your arm?
Dao-dur: I got tired of it. Keep dropping my tool and decide to get rid of it.
@@bloodysimile4893 jedi exile: nice.
The man who made the atomic bomb of the Star Wars galaxy who became a Jedi. His time may have been brief but in the end his super weapon ultimate saved the galaxy when used the second time.
KOTOR 2 has the best companions, and Bao-Dur is one of the best of them (#4 if I have to put them in order)
I enjoy Canderous, honestly. He gives you the other side of the story and their view of the war.
KOTOR II is one of my favourite games of all-time.
If the ancient Sith rejected Vitiate, why can't the living Jedi accept Bao-Dur?
Say, Geetsly's, can you please explore the lives and careers of Keyan Farlander and Maarek Stele from the X-Wing and TIE Fighter video games respectively? Would love the usual fans and even veterans of those games (myself included) to know more about those.
(And if you need reading material, there's the Farlander Papers, Stele Chronicles, and their respective Collector's CD-ROM Official Strategy Guides. Also, if you guys need gameplay footage for reference, I'll recommend LPhoenix's playthroughs of the games.)
It seems to me that rarely does someone who had a hand in creating a superweapon actually feel remorse with what happens as a result
Well, there's Einstein and Oppenheimer.
And Nobel
Ah, yes, the man who made dynamite too.
The guy who made the first gatling gun I also believe would feel remorse today, as he originally created it as sorta Cold War tactic, he meant it was a weapon so brutal people wouldn’t actually want to even consider using it and that it would ultimately show the futility of war, well how wrong he was…
@@michaelandreipalon359 He didn’t even meant for those to be a weapon, he created dynamite to be able to dig quickly and has such rescue miners in mine accidents.
Kinda wish you'd added in that Darth Nihilus was created on Malachor V because of the mass shadow generator, but aside from that, top quality video my man!!
My guy Bao-Dur.
Still missing a lens, general
Ah, the pain of that sidequest.
Dark Sided Jedi Exile: *"I will GOUGE your FLESHY LENS soon after!"*
Can you do a video commenting on how Dave Filoni developed the Jedi in clone wars as an institution that made big mistakes and if that deviated from what George Lucas developed the jedi to symbolically represent in history? Do you think this "subversion" ended up working and giving the story the depth it needed? Do you think that George Lucas already raised this question, but didn't develop it in the story of the Prequels because that wasn't the focus of the plot?
The whole plot of prequels is that the Jedi failed themselves by not listening to Qui-Gon on both the return of the Sith AND training Anakin as a Jedi. Had they listened Qui-Gon would have gotten the aid he needed on Naboo, and Anakin would have had a Jedi Master who actually understood how to deal with his unique circumstances as a Jedi.
It's not that it's under developed, it's all there in the Duel of the Fates, it's that people tended to disregard Qui-Gon as a character because they hated the fact that Yoda wasn't Obi-Wan's direct teacher. Obi-Wan only said he was instructed by Yoda, not that he was his formal Jedi Master. Yoda taught younglings and guided Obi-Wan on his path to Knighthood.
The Council simply did not support or trust Anakin, and because they never did he simply never belonged, even when given a seat on it. They had the messiah of the Jedi and they handed him over to the devil through negligence and arrogance. It's all there in the prequels based on their actions and how they visibly treat Anakin.
Bao Dur radiates giga chad energy
Okay, but Alan from Generation Tech believes in genocide for all non humans, especially dolphins, and he’s a Jedi
Why dolphins? Was it because of the hardships of Ecco?
That thumbnail is a level of clockbait above any I've seen before so far.
3:01 Darth Reznor
Bane and Revan stories would be insane movies
Does exactly as it says in the tin . ( remember that ad )
The Old Republic needs it's own story along with the New Republic with Luke Skywalker Jedi
All the lost Jedi!
To this day i still feel like the Excels sex should have stay a mystery.
Why?
Baodor was a true g
I guess his death is Cut content of Kotor2? Or is it from a comic?
Yeah, it's cut content. The Restoration mod wasn't able to put it back in the game, but was revealed in an interview with Chris Avellone, the game's writer and director.
Cools!!!
I played the game many times but I didn't know about the last part
We need Keanu Reeves to play Revan.
@@ReanuKeevesAus no, you have more Skyrim to break.
Father of Nihilus
Excellent video!
Can you do one on Mira the Bounty Hunters?
Nice video
He was a pleasant enough guy when I met him. I choose a female main in Knights of the Old Republic 2. Its just cool how that became canon.
@@BriFiConnections Disney is canon. So I don't really care about what is determined canon. Its Legends. And that's good enough for me.
@@BriFiConnections What exactly did you mean though? That Meetra Surik isn't canon within the context of the Knights of the Old Republic Legends continuity? There's Canon and there's canon.
I like his approach, not gonna lie
tl;dr War criminal admitted to the Jedi order by Jedi general who gave him the order to commit said war crimes in the first place.
Yes, General?
Also what comic books did u read pls I wanna read em
What? Did he die? But he was alive during the destruction of Malachor V
Yes do all the lost Jedi…any content from kotor is worth going over
Wait who is the speaker of this video?
Cheers
I like the Australian voice better but cool videos and I love the videos Geetslys creates
I mean its not like the Jedi are new to genocide
Oh if you are hiring more narrators then perhaps I could be in some of your videos please?
@user-db4ch8cb7t thanks my Australian comrade
Did he have to be that hot tho lol. There aren't many hot men in star wars besides Anakin and obi wan. Actually why aren't more hot...
Your next video will be the 1000th video on this channel
saying telos and atris wrong really
it would've been better if this was made into a movie instead of what Disney made
Disney just needs to revive Luke and bring Jedi back. Heck Rey could reinstate Jedi Order with Luke's ghost. We need New Republic, Rogue Force, and Luke's Jedi like in Legends.
mar ray sue needs to be retconed from existence she is not a salvageable character along with the whole disney woke wars story
Video about lord Momin?
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Redemption is one of the most pure concepts. Exemplified further by Bao-dur’s ultimate sacrifice. Fell into the dark and rose above it and died serving the light
Well at least he felt guilty for what he did. That’s more than I can say for a lot of other Jedi. Not pointing out any names *coughs* Mace *coughs*
The Republic: against genocide
Also the Republic: COMPOR and accidentally almost making the Nohgri go extinct
COMPNOR. Also, Honoghr was an accident. Blame the loathsome Seps.
@@michaelandreipalon359 COMPOR was the predecessor of COMPNOR and the Republic accidentally polluted Nohgri (but what the Separatists were carrying polluted Honoghr)
Ah, you actually meant SAGroup there. My bad.
@@michaelandreipalon359 COMPOR hated aliens
@@tristynbishop6158 And that's why they deserved to be counter-purged after Endor.
Shame some of them escaped into worlds like Bastion. Oh, well, if it means giving our unsanctioned covert shadow ops some *snickers* exercise and target practice.
Seems like his story is way sadder and understandable then the title suggests. Very interesting character, anyone know where I could read about it?
Play Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, especially with the Restored Content Mod.
Also, KotOR I, for more reference and not be caught out of the loop.
@@michaelandreipalon359 At least you won't be Carth left out of the loop.
Well, he won't want to talk about it regardless.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Damn straight.
I'm confused about Bao Dur's death. Didn't Kreia give you a force vision of him being alive and a Jedi at the end of the game.
True, but got to consider... everyone dies. Unless your Revan or Yoda, then you will live a few hundred years.
But then he is also giving the deleted scene as well. So without knowing the deleted missions, kinda hard to tell.
Bao-Dur: Trust the jedi exile, she playing four-d chess against everyone.
Jedi exile not having a clue what her plan is: yeah, sure.
When the Galactic Republic commit Genocide it's 👌
But when the Sith Empire commits Genocide it's 😡
Sure was a genocide of the old greatness of the Mandos... anyhow, he didn't do much wrong (and the activation of the MSG was a huge necessity), so yeah, he's forgiven.
Also, his voice is ASMR incarnate, akin to Walton Simons from Deus Ex.
Jenna Zan Arbor, on the other hand... that blonde (redhead?) witch was cray-cray!
Even Revan was horrified by the MSG's destruction of Malachor. That's why he built HK-47, to allow surgical strikes instead of mass slaughter.
@@sambridgers9543 HK-47 says otherwise when discussing the battle, stating that Revan did it not only to defeat the Mandos, but to weed out and kill all those who had doubted his leadership to that point (aka the soldiers and Jedi in the Exile's fleet, as they followed her without question no matter the outcome due to her innate bonding, but chafed under Revan's questionable strategies)
Damn good redemption story. Not sure of his characterization. While the weapon he created did kill millions, and he made it with hatred intent, but the weapon was used in a battle, on orders of a legal commander, it sounds as if no civilians were killed, and the weapon was simply more powerful than expected. Bao Dur, I'm sure, would accuse himself as being a genocidal murderer but I don't think he fits that definition. I do love his regret of what happened, and think it shows what kind of Jedi, and man, he was. Another great story that fans would love and so the Rat won't ever attempt to bring to the big or small screens.
Is it just me or is there a resurgence in Old Republic loving? Not upset, I love the games, just noticed the uptick in content
It's nice, but I hope content creators explore the likes of X-Wing game series lore (especially TIE Fighter's), alongside the Jedi Knight series/Dark Forces Saga, Empire at War's campaigns and even the janky Rebel Assault duology.
Me: Ha, zabraks... Am I right?
Iridonian
It still annoys me that the Exile couldn't romance Bao-Dur.
To be fair, there weren't any really romance arcs in KOTOR 2. The closest we got was unrequited love from some of the companions, Atris, or Sion (depending on Exile's gender).
@@sambridgers9543 That is very true, hopefully they do a KOTOR2 remake after the first one is finished and they can sort all that out, hehe
I don't know why, but this was one of my favorite videos this channel has made
1:20-1:24: More than meets the eye. LOL.
Alas, he never was part of the true robots in disguise.
Anyhow, BEAST WARS!!!
Malacore became a dark side nexus. A sith actually hid a holocron here for some reason which Ezra bridger would later find and take learning some of the abilities in it.
There was more than one planet in the Malachor system. Malachor V was just the most well-known and infamous.
Canon Malachore V and Legends Malachore V are very different topics.
Uh, no it didn't.
That's fan fiction.
@@rob776 Star Wars Rebels.
Malachor V had been a dark side nexus before, that's why the Trayus academy of the True Sith had been built there in the first place.
Both amplified each other: The dark side nexus which already existed before on one hand and the taint of what happened at the Trayus academy on the other hand. It had been a cursed world even the Mandolorians considered it taboo.
Revan didn't choose it by accident for the final battle of the Mandalorian wars. He used it to get rid of the Mandos and eventual opposition in his own ranks.
The battle of Malachor V, particularly the mass shadow generator, turned the already cursed world into a wound of the Force... one that didn't heal on its own...
I was confused by the title and after finding out it was Bao Dur. The title is misleading, yes Bao Dur is responsible for Malachor V but it does not make it a genocide.
Seriously, the word genocide is used as a whim this days. Unless you guys are talking about Bao Dur revenge on the Mandalorian.
Would you rather:
Join the Vitiate era Sith
Or
Join the Jedi
Can you do a video on the exile/Meetra Surik
the "mass" murderer that became a jedi? heh
Was this weapon something SO badly needed that someone so bad, least at first, was turned a blind eye to..?
Sounds like a walking cautionary tale from what heard later from the start of the video. Least he came around and cleaned up his mess in the very end. Even if an army and navy both got on his way to do it
THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO :)
Jason solo please
No one going to mention that the presenter is different?
They do this on "The Front" as well, its nothing new.
Great job
Aw man, i thought his death was non canon
I actually wondered if there was a story about someone Jedi Order to have a new start. And I guess this could technically be one.
I kinda need more stories about someone with a terrible history, like living in an impoverished community and suffered some kind of exploitation or abuse, and deciding to join the Order to turn a new leaf and help people like himself.
Wonderful video, but the title feels a bit misleading compared to the contents. Also, I don't know if this is within your control, but in the course of watching this fifteen-minute video, I had to break for ads five times. I don't get it.
Redemption stories all make for the best and most interesting of tales and the hero struggles and fights to atone for past sins and eventually finding a way to do so. With Bao-Dur story being one of many that feature throughout the star wars saga and galaxy.
Jedi literally use mind control to lie, cheat, and steal... at least the sith don't lie to themselves about what they are like the jedi do
Bao-Dur was basically Oppenheimer with a cool left arm.
But only true Fans know he wasnt allowed to wear robes
No robes for Bao dur is criminal
Bay-Oh Bow Dur
Neat story. Thanks
Could you talk about midichlorians I've seen nobody talk about them really at all is their no history. It just seem like they be far more important then well everything sense they let the sith and jedi use the force are they evil or neutral or nothing.