Did you like just discover Potemkin exists? He plays the exact opposite of that. You gotta scrounge your way in looking for anything looking like a possible opening and make the most of it while you can. This sounds like it was written by a chipp main who triple jumped and got heavenly Potemkin bustered once and decided it was the characters fault…
Tip for people who think they have bad neutral Stop approaching so much. Do something to get to the opponent to do something you can punish. See what happens!
This video is fantastic. It's hilarious, and it does a great job of teaching how to play neutral something that's difficult for people to understand when coming into fighting games so if people have difficulty playing neutral hit them with this video and it won't be hard for them to watch it till the end.
I just wanted to say that I loved that moment where you/the current frame just kinda gently Korean backdash your collective way out of the shot. I mean, the whole video is great, but that bit in particular: _choice_ XD
This has been an educational experience as have been Playing a fair bit of KI here lately and a friend of mine said i needed to work on my neutral game and not being sure what that is had no idea what to do to improve it. but now i know what neutral is I can try to work on it.
DBFZ is such a gem of a game dude. Holy shit, i know it's not for everyone but, what a game i get hype just seeing clips of it and I haven't played in so long. God I hope it gets rollback someda or when and if DBFZ2 comes out it has it.
haven't watch the video but i think neutral is a state where no one is making big upsets, or downsets and the players are waiting for make small steps toward there game plan
I play fighting games like tekken, but I’m also a big fan of dragon ball and dragon ball fighterz and I was never able to understand it. Thank you for the video.
Thats so good ... ofc its a true what are talking about but after all i dont care about this cuz the funniest thing was the WAY you walking :] good stuff bro
That's why I play FGs that punish mashing, rather than giving them a lot of ways to have advantage on block that makes it hard to take your turn back without very specific knowledge checks. Like VF5US. Mash in that and you'll get your dome rattled, as it should be. Similar to how just constantly attacking IRL will just tire you out and leave you open.
Logically speaking, I think NRS receives a bit too much hate from the FGC, tbh. They're pretty much the only non-Platform Fighter dev studio that makes fighting game products actually worth the asking price (from an objective universal game landscape perspective rather than the FGC vacuum tunnel-vision) and they provide rare gameplay variety from the offense-heavy, defense-punishing, footsies/zoning-averse design sensibilities of the majority of releases in the last decade. And variety shouldn't be a bad thing, nor mocked, yeah? I know I always advocate for more people being able to find something that appeals to theor tastes in the genre, rather than limiting the appeal to certain design trends and alienating anyone who doesn't fall into popular opinion.
Lots of games’ neutral looks like footsies as people attempt to bait their opponent into attacking and it’s a careful dance back and forth. My neutral game looks like nago super jump into air hs.
Ive seen this video. Ive absorbed the knowledge. And- nope, dbfz still doesnt have neutral... Cant change my mind although you did a pretty damn good job
Wait Kazuya has a gun in Tekken WTF, I only know him from smash bros so what, this is hilarious, local fighting devil pulls out gun to street brawl wins every game. We asked the man for a comment and he only gave us some eclectrics and Doriyah as an answer.
Technically it's a customization item that every character can use, not just Kazuya. There's a lot of guns too. Even a shotgun. Or a pizza that you throw Or fireworks you put on the ground that do nothing Or a water gun
I will say while snk heroines probably doesnt have great neutral, kof neutral is really fantastic in the neutral because of great universal options and especially movement, grapplers in particularly are extra fun in kof. if you get the chance give it a shot! 15 looks solid
Definitely would have been more accurate to say that side of the spectrum represents the Vs. genre in general but Gekko will be caught dead before he makes a video that doesn't mention DBFZ lol
To me neutral just means the space in between two characters. The neutral zone if you will. Knowing when to back dash, forward dash, and feinting attacks are several ways to control the neutral zone. If you can consistently make your opponent whiff, then you can consistently punish them.
As someone who started with skullgirls axl is the funniest character ive used because nobody really knows how to deal with someone who never really considers a laid back neutral into their strategy as a ZONER.
"A Fool or a Jester", Tohru Adachi's theme from Persona 4. I f you haven't played through the entirety of Persona 4/ Persona 4 Golden, you should avoid reading the comments, as they're full of *MAJOR* spoilers.
I'm one of those guys who says DBFZ has no neutral. While it may seem counterintuitive, I think the fact that mixups and conversions are a threat at all ranges is the problem. To me, the neutral game is the process of feeling out your opponent, and fighting for positional advantage (or frame advantage in 3d fighters), but between superdash, ki blasts, and the absurd amount of forward movement on some normals and autocombos, your position is almost irrelevant. And when every interaction potentially leads to a combo or pressure, the logical next step is to run mixups, not control space or read movements. In practice, it's more like a game of RPS and the winner gets to run their offense. It feels more like a formality than something I actively think about match to match.
I honestly can't relate to the hate for slower, more measured neutral that puts any more emphasis on footsies than is present in airdashers and tag fighters. When pokes and whiff punishes are barely part of the game flow, and not constantly moving forward/engaging is actively punished, I simply can't enjoy the game. Yet the majority of FGs favored by the FGC majority (and the ones getting quality rollback netcode) are the games that make footsies either nonexistent or difficult to maintain. Even in Strive, Ky's game plan is difficult to execute on. Heck, if players like Kizzie Kay struggle to win tourneys with Ky, that objectively says something. Even SFV is one of the least footsie-based entries in the series, having given most characters moves that pass through projectiles, taken away the invincibility from light meterless DPs, and V-Reversals are often so crap that they had to add a whole new defensive mechanic (V-Shift) in the game's last DLC season. Since the genre is niche, that means that those of us who genuinely like footsie-heavy fighters (and you mocked like a respectable individual) don't have much selection of well-populated games nor ones with good netcode. And all the mocking/memeing doesn't exactly help promote a healthy variety in gameplay types in this genre. There may be a fighting game for everyone, but not all gameplay preferences get fair treatment. But I guess it's too much to ask the FGC to have a more open mind regarding gameplay styles the majority find boring. I'm sure some replies to this will demonstrate that and, if not, then that'll be a pleasant surprise and a welcome change of pace from most of my experiences discussing this topic.
I don't think it's hate for neutral. The "honest, ground based footsies" meme is actually formed from people trying to defend their game by talking about how its neutral is just as robust even if the game in motion looks like it's just an unga bunga rumble in the jungle. The more heavy emphasis that SFV took towards offense is IMO a result of trying to be more "spectator friendly."
Sf5 footsies? Lmao. One of the reasons i quit sf5 is because the normals are slow and stubby af compared to sf4. Crapcom even nerfed nash's mk scythe kick (i forgot what it's called) because it was one of the few moves with decent reach.
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In my own personal experience, neutral is when I’m losing slightly but don’t want to admit it yet.
Pretty much every fighting game starts in neutral, so this is very true.
That briff moment of peace before the XX characters shrad
What is Neutral:
>Ui Goku's Auto Combo
>Sol's f.S
>Ragna's 5B
>Sub-Zero's Slide
>Guile holding Down Back
Certified neutral classics.
Thank you, very affordable wisdom!
Wake up grab
GRAND VIPER
Also Mishimas EWGF
I play Dan so I can throw a hadoken and watch it evaporate before it ever reaches anyone.
“Neutral is that thing I try to ignore, as I zoom over on my rocket-skates, with a full bar of butter.”
-Potemkin, probably.
Did you like just discover Potemkin exists? He plays the exact opposite of that. You gotta scrounge your way in looking for anything looking like a possible opening and make the most of it while you can. This sounds like it was written by a chipp main who triple jumped and got heavenly Potemkin bustered once and decided it was the characters fault…
@@Neogears1312
Dude.
Calm down.
It was obviously a joke.
@@TJK10a badly made joke
Neutral is a myth created by fighting game developers to get us to play the game longer.
Big Neutral is trying to stop us from pressing buttons. Look into it!
@@deadfr0g #pannenkoekisbigneutral
I didn't pay 60$ for a blocking game
"Arc Sys would like to know your location."
@@ven5707 look up older GG characters they are no chill
Truly the best TH-camr, this man has zero dislikes on any of his videos.
Idk i see 1
@@yunkurayami3664 idk I don’t see anything
TH-cam made it so that only the uploader can see the number of dislikes
ima dislike just cause of that whoo
@@divaonly58 dont be a wastemon
Tip for people who think they have bad neutral
Stop approaching so much. Do something to get to the opponent to do something you can punish. See what happens!
but what if monkey brain think that sound boring
Neutral is where I hit raw super
Couldn't relate more
Every grappler ever.
that Netherrealm dig had me laughing, not gonna lie
Dragon ball FighterZ have SO MANY rock paper scissors situations, even in neutral and I love it.
Babe, wake up. GekkoSquirrel has a new vid on game theory.
Shoryuken shoryuken SHORYUKEN!
-Ken
love the editing on this, great job on it
"the majority of the fight will take place in neutral"
uhh....no
This video is fantastic. It's hilarious, and it does a great job of teaching how to play neutral something that's difficult for people to understand when coming into fighting games so if people have difficulty playing neutral hit them with this video and it won't be hard for them to watch it till the end.
This is a good question. I play Faust, so hell if I know the answer.
I just wanted to say that I loved that moment where you/the current frame just kinda gently Korean backdash your collective way out of the shot.
I mean, the whole video is great, but that bit in particular: _choice_ XD
I love your delivery and the jokes. You sound like someone who deserves 500K subs but hasn't gotten there yet!
Aka genuinely funny while still sincere
Amazing vid, it made me realize why I like Ky and Axl so much and enjoy playing them and why other characters feel weird for me in strive
This has been an educational experience as have been Playing a fair bit of KI here lately and a friend of mine said i needed to work on my neutral game and not being sure what that is had no idea what to do to improve it. but now i know what neutral is I can try to work on it.
DBFZ is such a gem of a game dude. Holy shit, i know it's not for everyone but, what a game i get hype just seeing clips of it and I haven't played in so long.
God I hope it gets rollback someda or when and if DBFZ2 comes out it has it.
I'm still really surprised you dont have at least 500k subs
5:07 holy shit I am dying
Thanks for the thumbnail, Doc!
haven't watch the video but i think neutral is a state where no one is making big upsets, or downsets and the players are waiting for make small steps toward there game plan
I play fighting games like tekken, but I’m also a big fan of dragon ball and dragon ball fighterz and I was never able to understand it. Thank you for the video.
Keep up the good content👍
Thats so good ... ofc its a true what are talking about but after all i dont care about this cuz the funniest thing was the WAY you walking :] good stuff bro
I dont get to play neutral that often, alot of people online think its always their turn, and my rl friends just mash untill they win.
That's why I play FGs that punish mashing, rather than giving them a lot of ways to have advantage on block that makes it hard to take your turn back without very specific knowledge checks.
Like VF5US. Mash in that and you'll get your dome rattled, as it should be. Similar to how just constantly attacking IRL will just tire you out and leave you open.
This Leon Massey guy is starting to make sense.
Amazing video
With P4AU on Steam being on the horizon, where would you personally say it fits into the scale??
good video man👍🏽
The Netherealm gag is always welcomed.
Logically speaking, I think NRS receives a bit too much hate from the FGC, tbh.
They're pretty much the only non-Platform Fighter dev studio that makes fighting game products actually worth the asking price (from an objective universal game landscape perspective rather than the FGC vacuum tunnel-vision) and they provide rare gameplay variety from the offense-heavy, defense-punishing, footsies/zoning-averse design sensibilities of the majority of releases in the last decade. And variety shouldn't be a bad thing, nor mocked, yeah?
I know I always advocate for more people being able to find something that appeals to theor tastes in the genre, rather than limiting the appeal to certain design trends and alienating anyone who doesn't fall into popular opinion.
I'd love to see your thoughts on Blazblue especially because it's got roll back now
Still bummed Carl Clover can't officially fight the Crossover DLC XD
Lots of games’ neutral looks like footsies as people attempt to bait their opponent into attacking and it’s a careful dance back and forth. My neutral game looks like nago super jump into air hs.
It's hard to do this state when I love A.B.A from XX era then we also have Kliff
Ive seen this video. Ive absorbed the knowledge. And- nope, dbfz still doesnt have neutral... Cant change my mind although you did a pretty damn good job
Wait Kazuya has a gun in Tekken WTF, I only know him from smash bros so what, this is hilarious, local fighting devil pulls out gun to street brawl wins every game.
We asked the man for a comment and he only gave us some eclectrics and Doriyah as an answer.
Technically it's a customization item that every character can use, not just Kazuya.
There's a lot of guns too. Even a shotgun. Or a pizza that you throw
Or fireworks you put on the ground that do nothing
Or a water gun
@@DaviddeBergerac that's amazing
@@dextra_24703 obviously they aren’t very good but there fun as heck and just funny too. That’s one hell of a Mexican stand off you can have
@@pian-0g445 it's all fun & games until you jump Bob and realize he just stopped by Domino's
so "hit confirm" is when your poking attack lands?
Yo, could you do a video on mix?
I will say while snk heroines probably doesnt have great neutral, kof neutral is really fantastic in the neutral because of great universal options and especially movement, grapplers in particularly are extra fun in kof. if you get the chance give it a shot! 15 looks solid
Hey I Love my netural skips **Procced to Slide Head for the 11th time**
Truly the neutral game that people love for
Anyone know the name of the songat the beginning of the video? i heard it before but cant remenber
FighterZ is definitely not the extreme of its end, MvC is just far more ridiculous.
Definitely would have been more accurate to say that side of the spectrum represents the Vs. genre in general but Gekko will be caught dead before he makes a video that doesn't mention DBFZ lol
i mean the no nutral meme stands because FighterZ s superdash
❤
good day
Adachi mod is godlike
the answer is "something i dont do"
Z Broly is a footsies based character
6:00 how do you say STEP BACK in Korean?
XD
To me neutral just means the space in between two characters. The neutral zone if you will. Knowing when to back dash, forward dash, and feinting attacks are several ways to control the neutral zone. If you can consistently make your opponent whiff, then you can consistently punish them.
As someone who started with skullgirls axl is the funniest character ive used because nobody really knows how to deal with someone who never really considers a laid back neutral into their strategy as a ZONER.
Neutral doesn't exist when you're playing against Hwoarang.
Me monkey
Me know no neutral
Based and UNGA pilled
Before I start the video, here's the answer: *OPTIONAL*
Idk
Does somebody knows what music he uses when talking about DBFZ?
that's either videl or adult gohan's theme, not sure which
@@fatyoshi696 Thank you so much
Idk what neutral is
-ram player
Can confirm this from personal experience.
Anyone know the name of the outro song? Thanks!
"A Fool or a Jester", Tohru Adachi's theme from Persona 4.
I f you haven't played through the entirety of Persona 4/ Persona 4 Golden, you should avoid reading the comments, as they're full of *MAJOR* spoilers.
I'm one of those guys who says DBFZ has no neutral. While it may seem counterintuitive, I think the fact that mixups and conversions are a threat at all ranges is the problem.
To me, the neutral game is the process of feeling out your opponent, and fighting for positional advantage (or frame advantage in 3d fighters), but between superdash, ki blasts, and the absurd amount of forward movement on some normals and autocombos, your position is almost irrelevant. And when every interaction potentially leads to a combo or pressure, the logical next step is to run mixups, not control space or read movements.
In practice, it's more like a game of RPS and the winner gets to run their offense. It feels more like a formality than something I actively think about match to match.
6:46
Forward dashing and back dashing
And I guess blockjbg
The music in the start of the video...i heard it before but i forgot the name of the game and music
Please tell me. Is not like you have to
Same here man i want to knoooow
It's from Rivals of aether, a cool indie platformer fighting game, hope you'll have fun listening to it 2 years later!
lol idk
Then we have Skullgirls, where neutral literally doesn't exist.
No it dose
neutral is a myth created by ryu players to not admit theyre losing
edit: 2 months later and i am now a ryu main
Hello fellow rushdown mains
*SPAMMING REKKA WITH ANDROID 17 IN DBFZ*
The nrs hate hurts me
I honestly can't relate to the hate for slower, more measured neutral that puts any more emphasis on footsies than is present in airdashers and tag fighters.
When pokes and whiff punishes are barely part of the game flow, and not constantly moving forward/engaging is actively punished, I simply can't enjoy the game. Yet the majority of FGs favored by the FGC majority (and the ones getting quality rollback netcode) are the games that make footsies either nonexistent or difficult to maintain. Even in Strive, Ky's game plan is difficult to execute on. Heck, if players like Kizzie Kay struggle to win tourneys with Ky, that objectively says something. Even SFV is one of the least footsie-based entries in the series, having given most characters moves that pass through projectiles, taken away the invincibility from light meterless DPs, and V-Reversals are often so crap that they had to add a whole new defensive mechanic (V-Shift) in the game's last DLC season.
Since the genre is niche, that means that those of us who genuinely like footsie-heavy fighters (and you mocked like a respectable individual) don't have much selection of well-populated games nor ones with good netcode. And all the mocking/memeing doesn't exactly help promote a healthy variety in gameplay types in this genre. There may be a fighting game for everyone, but not all gameplay preferences get fair treatment.
But I guess it's too much to ask the FGC to have a more open mind regarding gameplay styles the majority find boring. I'm sure some replies to this will demonstrate that and, if not, then that'll be a pleasant surprise and a welcome change of pace from most of my experiences discussing this topic.
I don't think it's hate for neutral. The "honest, ground based footsies" meme is actually formed from people trying to defend their game by talking about how its neutral is just as robust even if the game in motion looks like it's just an unga bunga rumble in the jungle. The more heavy emphasis that SFV took towards offense is IMO a result of trying to be more "spectator friendly."
NRS: destroys OKI
Gamers: do OKI neutral instead.
NRS:
Gamers: thanks, I hate it.
Why does he hate netherrealm so much? 🤣🤣🤣
Xenoverse 2
After this video...I still don't understand, what neutral means. I am stupid.
i disagree with the fighters pick, i would've said somthing like one of the older guilty gears or the mvc games
Sf5 footsies? Lmao. One of the reasons i quit sf5 is because the normals are slow and stubby af compared to sf4. Crapcom even nerfed nash's mk scythe kick (i forgot what it's called) because it was one of the few moves with decent reach.
👌🍐
“If every game had Street Fighter neutral, honestly, I think I’d hate it”
So what you’re saying is, you hate neutral? Got it.
Street fighter neutral isn't the only neutral that exists my man (and thank god for that because god is sf boring to watch)
Neutral
Is a myth
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