I don't like "sensitivity" censorship and meddling with Horikoshi's writing (and not just him, but in general). It's HIS work and we should have commentary and opinions on the finished work - not policing it. If we don't talk about sensitive topics - we're actively ignoring the problem and shutting down any chance for discussion.
There are many that think just because Rei and Fuyumi try to see Endeavour with possitive hope is the sign that Horikoshi that we should forgive him already, which I say is that is a misconception cause if that is the true then what about Natsuo that is not inclined to forgive him?, and Shoto Who tooks a neutral stance of watching what he would become from now on?,All of those are Horikoshi's take on this theme and if we want to pint point which opinion would be the one that Hori highlights is Shoto's that is the one that is more enphasaised, of watching what Endeavour Will do for atone for his sins, because Endeavour explicitly said that he can't seek for forgiveness but he would try to atone for what he did. So Idk why people search in such stupid ways, to hate the series or Horikoshi but well is what It comes when this serie is one of the most influencial in many years but men people really like to hate.. for no reason is a shame
Not gonna lie I saw the title and was mad but I love your channle so I gave it a chance and you really gave me perspective I dont know if I could ever like the character but I can now respect the path of forgiveness that thier giving him
I have a background of being abused by authoritative family members and I LOVE where the narrative is taking Endeavor. When the controversy hit last year, I read the chapters under fire and found them to be VERY respectful to the situation of abuse. I loved how every family member was affected differently. Todoroki's mom went crazy. One son is straight up missing from the family. The sister is frantically trying to hold the family together and make the situation at least have some semblance of normalcy. The other son angrily confronts Endeavor and tells him that no amount of change or good he does to society will EVER make up for what he did to his family. Shouto passive aggressively makes fun of Endeavor's scar, but he also nearly has a breakdown at the thought of his dad dying. The situation is so nuanced and actively takes the victims of abuse into account, rather than just focusing on Endeavor. I hate Endeavor as a person, but I love where his character is going.
Like people love Toga and her life wasn't even that horrible and she's a murderer. People also love Bakugou even though he abused Deku but don't like Endeavor? I will say it probably makes Endeavor looks worse because he's trying to hero while the villains know they're fucked up
@@micah459 I was not even referring to them .. characters like Vegeta , scar , Sasuke etc literally killed people .... that's a lot worse than anything endeavor did
@@cvox607 but they are villains and endeavor is a hero.........lmao and abusing ur fam physically, mentally or emotionally is pretty fucked up and people dont like it even after the redemption arc lmao
Dude same. I love morally flawed characters so much because they have the best development. I can only hope he has a good start to fixing his relationship with Shoto. Hell, Shoto shouldnt even give him any answer as to how he feels about him yet. He should just say, "See you at the next internship." to show he is starting to care again about his father
Yeah, everyone could see what endevor represented, he was what bakugo could become if he kept on his power is absolute mentality, he was consumed to be the number 1 hero, and this frustantion drove him to comit horrible things. Up until then he was a jerkass father, if you see anime or toku enought you know the trope, but then *UNITED STATES OF SMASH* happned, and he became the number 1 and for the 1st time in decades he seen the trye weight of his action, and that was the moment he got realy intresthing.
Man, Horikoshi doesn't deserve such backlash. In simplest terms they're just characters in a manga. You can have your opinions sure, but to be sending death threats to another human over this seems a unnecessary. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this bud. Btw (off topic), almost at 50k! When are we getting some kind of merch to support our truthhero in training?
Truth Hero I’m sure anything you come up with will be dope! Personally, I just thought of the word “Philosophy” in the MHA font real bold on the front or something idk! But I can’t wait 😊
People today have lost so much of their kindness. I commented on a previous video about Endeavour and how I asked my mom, who grew up with and emotionally abusive father, if she thought an abuser could find forgiveness in their family. She told me that she believed they could. We talked about how hatred only hinders you in life and causes more pain then healing. We talked about people who recognize their faults and truly seek forgiveness can grow to be some of the kindest and most empathetic people, If you allow trials to be your teacher. It takes time and true remorse. Our society is truly lost if we don't allow others to learn from their mistakes.
The guys who think Endeavour doesn't deserve redemption despite honest effort on his part and consider him the worst father in existence clearly haven't heard of Shou Tucker.
The Knight the reason she did that was because she couldn’t handle the abuse and accidentally burned his face in rage, but in a newer season todoroki visits her and forgives her for leaving
I love Endevor. Even if he started off very mean and crazy. He has changed though. He is now trying to become a father that his children always wanted.
@@keiralindsey4165 That's what I'm guessing because tbh I can't see Dabi changing a new leaf because he seems too far gone so him killing Endeavor would be something I can see happening
Love this comment!! LOVE IT. as it is true, Bakagou is an awful human being as he abuses Izuku and tells him to commit suicide! Fans:we love him!! But we hate Endeavor as he is nearly the same thing but not young
Kachan is a child. That difference alone makes him redeemable. He’s also more misunderstood. He’s not a bad human he’s just an asswhole. His pride combined with desire to be #1 hero makes him seem one dimensional but his character is deeper than that. He’s a lot like endeavor but nothing like him. And telling a kid to kill them self isn’t no where near the level of immorality of beating your wife and kids(he only beat his son to make him strong anyways) bakugou also embodies a true hero, he was captured by the LOV and not only did he show his resolve he was more than willing to fight all them till he won because that what he believes being a good hero is. Like cmon how are you not inspired by that.
@@RemyKingKen being a good hero does not deem your personality. Endeavor as a person was terrible, but he was always a good hero. #2 for a reason. Bakugou still has his shitty attitude and the desire of being #1 that he has is what caused endeavor's terrible behaviour in the first place
Everyones a hero in their mind. Everyone wants to believe that they are justified in doing what they do. Everyone has a hard time admitting fault. I dont have a problem with endeavor. I have a problem with him not accurately recieving any punishments i mean he abused his whole family for decades and it felt like it moved to fast like suddenly hes an asshole and the next he suddenly isnt anymore. Its almost like a mockery to people who have gotten abused and who know the signs and steps of abuse. He had no time to do better he just suddenly was. 1. An abuser abuses a victim. 2.the abuser apologizes to said victim and theres a period of normalcy. 3.the abuser abuses the victim. Everyone is entitled to forgiveness but forgiveness is not merely given it is earned over a period of time. The forgiveness needs to have impact on the individual instead of it just being like "ya cool bro your chill I forgive you for my whole life trauma " it takes time and effort and when someone just starts off making that effort that effort has to take time to sink in. With endeavor it was just 1,2,3 im a good person now hahaha good writing yes bad delivery With the villian arc a lot of villians in anime think they are justified For example Shigaraki bad circumstances he was a kid who was looking for support he didnt get that he felt wronged and abused and was trained by one for all which solidified his way of thinking. Not to mention if your quirk is harmful to others your immediatly thrown from society take toga for example overhaul he wanted to bring back everyones honor. Wanted to be on top again in his mind it was a valiant decision that needed a complex and fucked up solution. Most people enjoy endeavor they just hate how fast he seemed to have progressed because they understand consequences. Consequences are needed to get that redemption. To get that forgiveness to get that understanding. Thats how betterment is done by learning from your mistakes and those harmful mistakes such as abuse mental trauma emotional trauma and most likely PTSD have big consequences.
I quit Tumblr/online fandom before I even got into Bnha, which is probably why I never even realise there’s drama until videos like these come up. Endeavour is undeniably Not Good, at least when we’re first introduced to him, but he’s working on getting better...let him live. More than anything though, if his mere existence in the plot bothers you that much, remember this: DUDE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER.
What makes endevaour such a interesting character to me is the fact that he is trying to change. Abusive characters in media is usually black and white (all bad) And the fact that endevaour is trying to be a better father and hero makes him kinda special to me, Its sad to se that there are so many people who gives horikoshi hate for this, it's so childish and unnesesary, if they dont like him they can just stop reading. Up until this point horikoshi has ben an amazing writer who takes cliches and puts his own spins on them or turns them around completely, and i am excited to see what he is going to do next❤
Some Fans: My favorite character is Vegeta he had the best character redemption arc. Me: Okay, hey have you heard that Endeavor is getting a redemption arc. Some fans: No forget that he doesn't deserve to be redeem after all the stuff he did. Me: ... Yet you like Vegeta who done even more messed up stuff.
@@Disruptor97 He literally killed millions with a honest to god smile on his face. Not to mention it took Trunks getting killed for him to actually show he cares for him.
Please,show me these idiots. Who complains a lot and whiny. Because ,i love how Hori put that themes in manga. What it means to be a hero and redemtion. Also, as victim of domestic violence i have no problems seeing Endeavor in arc. Because it would be awesome for writing perpectives. And people who complain about that or even dare to attack Horikoshi can leave . Fandom loses nothing!
@@Abdega abuse is terrible, we understand that but he knows and regrets it and is trying to earn forgiveness from his family. We should give him a chance
I had a debate about this with a friend of mine who loves Vegeta's character arc in Dragonball Z and Dragonball Super. I reminded him that Vegeta literally committed genocide, and that in addition to his murder and space war-crimes he ALSO abused his son. I think it is a testament to the writing of MHA that it feels so real that some people can't forgive the characters for their fictional crimes.
@@raysharingan3150 goku is a bad father. The man spent 5 years of his sons life with him. Died two times to protect gohan. Then he spent the 4 year gap between Z and super with goten. If that's a bad father, then our standards for a good dad is to high.
I feel like he can redeem himself without getting forgiveness, if that makes sense. But I feel like his real redemption will come when his past is exposed
@@TruthHero Especially his wife. She deserves it the most in my opinion since she's been through it and we don't know how much of abuse she had received from Enji. But in my opinion she must've had it the worst since we don't know how long it was. Shoto and Touya had it worse but probably not to the extent of her. Possibly
Nope I still don't like the guy 👀 but it's good seeing him trying to accept what he did was wrong 🤔 not many 'Fathers' swallow their pride and admit that they were wrong to anyone 🙀 I do believe he can be redeemed and a long talk with Shouto is needed 😐 we definitely need family therapy here and someone drag Dabi, strap him to a chair, and make him listen (he'll probably burn the chair though) 👀 but I don't like Endeavor, nor will I ever but he does have my respect 😐 Also, who the f**k believes it's okay to send threats to guy for a fictional character!? I'm seriously disappointed with the fandom, that's just taking it way too far 😐
This! I can't fucking stand Endeavor, so much I wish he attempts to get redemption, and everyone goes "Lol nope!". Even though I like far worse characters (Vegeta, Darth Vader, Toga, Bakugo). Weird and crazy I know, but Idk why or really care I just hate the bastard. My hatred for the guy is like an active fire, but I would never send death threats to real people just writing a story. Too far, and sadly not surprised. Just sad this kind of shit happens in every fandom cause I always agree with what their saying just not their methods.
I understand that. He's a real piece of work. That's probably why I like his character. Because while I do like my All Mights and Dekus... I feel like a story and world within that story can't be interesting with just the "wish fulfillment" characters. Yes, we like out super wholesome U.A. staff. We want all our morally ambiguous characters to quickly reveal they aren't that bad. That way we don't have to feel uncomfortable. I am not saying Endeavor is entitled to forgiveness or wasn't that bad, to begin with. He was pretty bad. Hell- he kinda reminded me of my own father. A prodigy with high standards, that can be downright cruel when you're not meeting his moral and academic expectations. He and I really don't get along and any attempt he makes to talk to me, I find myself regressing into a weak child. Truth be told, that just makes me find Endeavor to be.. real. It's actually pretty scary. But that's the power of great writing and characterization. And though my own father will never admit he's wrong (ever), I agree with Shoto that there is still something to learn from him and the good he does do. It's a very nuanced take. The redemption, to me, is more of a nice progression of the story. As real as Endeavor was, if his situation with Shouto remained the same for the whole series, it'd get stale and Shouto himself would've become boring.
Personally, I disagree with the idea that everyone deserves redemption and forgiveness. There is nothing wrong with a victim forgiving their abuser(s), of course, but that doesn't mean that they're doing something wrong by not forgiving their abuser(s). While forgiveness is a part of recovery for many victims, it isn't for all of them. A lot of victims have to work extremely hard to be able to accept themselves and what happened, and that often comes with anger. Being angry isn't inherently wrong. It was created for us to protect ourselves, and it's necessary for our survival. Besides, not forgiving someone doesn't just mean spending your entire life pissed off and trying to make the other person's life a living hell. A lot of times, it's just holding resentment where resentment is due. The reason that a lot of people are upset about Endeavor's redemption is because of the notion that all victims must forgive their abusers or they're terrible people (which may be enforced through Endeavor's redemption), and because Endeavor hasn't really done much to redeem himself, so they're worried that Horikoshi will just end it with Endeavor sending Rei some stuff and not hitting Shouto anymore. He has only been shown to actually reach out to Rei and Shouto so far, and he hasn't even done it well. I find it completely understandable to not want an Endeavor redemption. What I don't understand is the death threats and harassment Horikoshi has received. It is absolutely unacceptable for someone to threaten someone's life over something that hasn't even really happened yet in a fictional story. Whether or not Shouto forgives Endeavor doesn't really matter. What does matter is real people, which the My Hero Academia characters are not. Of course criticism is expected, but there is a line between criticism and bullying. That line gets crossed when people send death threats and hate. I also think that there is a big problem with in the fandom, too. There are people who like Endeavor that aren't abuse apologist. While there are many that definitely are, that doesn't mean all of them are. I personally love Shigaraki despite all of the horrible things he's done, so I do understand Endeavor fans. Ultimately, they're all just fictional character, and no one deserves people telling them to kill themselves just for simply liking a character. It's also ridiculous that people who like one evil character are giving hate to people who like a different evil character. Everyone has the right to enjoy whatever character they want. Also, yes. Endeavor does indeed have a spectacularly thicc ass.
Alex M. I don’t think the message is that the victims have to forgive the abuser though. If they do, then alright, but they don’t paint Shoto or Rei in a negative light at all during his redemption. Rei is understanding but not necessarily forgiving, admittedly because she didn’t have a lot of focus on her and it wasn’t shown to be a bad thing at all that Shoto doesn’t like Endeavor when Endeavor tries to reach out to him numerous times with a much nicer approach through text or directness with no greed behind it. He’s also still passive aggressive towards Endeavor and that’s not framed to be a bad thing, even though Endeavor is trying to redeem himself. This is about Endeavor being a better person, not about the victims forgiving him.
@@pj_spirit People (including myself) are worried that in the future of Endeavor's redemption, Horikoshi will make the story be just about forgiveness. It's happened countless times in other works of fiction, as well as in real life. Horikoshi may make Endeavor suffer a bit (probably doing hero work, perhaps in the current arc of the manga), and then Make Shouto forgive him because of how "noble" Endeavor seemed. Maybe he will just make loving Endeavor an expectation because he's a "changed man" and isn't as horrible anymore. It still hasn't happened yet, so it's impossible to tell for sure. Most people that don't want an Endeavor redemption are just worried about how it could very easily go very wrong.
I mean people forgave Vegeta fine and feel, but he was a literal mass murderer. People are not willing to forgive a child and wife abuser and yet they are willing to forgive a mass murderer who nearly allowed his wife and baby son to be killed multiple times like with number 20, and making things worse by allowing Cell to become perfect and allowing Majin Buu to be released just for a fight.
In defense of Bakugou, he's still a teenager- and most of his worst actions were before he got into high school. People seem to forget that kid's normally don't have fully developed moral compasses. Also, most Endeavor haters are Bakugou haters.
I'm here because I just got into an argument about Endeavor. I got called an abuse supporter and "probably abusive" myself. I'm watching this so I can have a GREAT argument next time.
Not me. I want Shoto to bave a whole and happy family. Half of the fandom, maybe. But the rest would be sad because he's developing from an abusive trash can to a father and husband his family has been wanting ever since.
If you are one of those hating on this ark, and/or hating on Horikoshi. One: Stop calling yourself a fan and stop reading/watching. Two: Grow up. This is a STORY and it is Horikoshi's story NOT yours. You are along for the ride here! Life is full of horrible things, horrible people and horrible happenings. If you are so sheltered that you cannot read a piece of literature that tackles and shows something bad then you need to grow up and learn that bad things happen and sometimes bad people make those things happen. I LOVE Endeavour because, in a world so similar yet so different from our own he is a REAL character, he's tried so long and so hard to become the top hero always fighting and struggling in a futile attempt to overcome a godlike figure. With all this and his obvious stubborn nature is it not natural that he'd become twisted in his mind? Now sure, I'm not saying what he did was right or justified but in terms of his story, it is REAL. Just like was mentioned in the video, Darth Vader for instance; kills entire planets worth of people, fathers, mothers, children etc far FAR worse than what Endeavour has done right? But just because Darth Vader's atrocities are otherworldy and not REAL world issues he doesn't get hate? The writer who created him does not get hate? But here we have people hating on Horikoshi and saying he condones abuse? what the hell? Does the creator of Star Wars condone and encourage mass genocide? OF COURSE FUCKING NOT! Endeavour is a GOOD character, he has not and will not always be the best MAN or FATHER but he is a REAL character who shows a REAL part of both Hero Aca and our own society. And if after ALL this video, the comment's section and I have said doesn't convince you? Refer back to point one and two above and fuck of elsewhere. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk, keep up the heard work Truth Hero!
I haven’t seen the video itself in case I get triggered but the title “if you don’t like endeavor, you can LEAVE!” Is... ignorant to me. I’m glad he starts to become a better hero as seen in His Start and stuff but that doesn’t excuse any of his past abuse and the fact that OP is saying someone who horrifically abused his wife and son is a person who should be liked is really icky to me. Maybe Endeavor is good at being a hero but he still traumatized his wife and kid and it sickens me to my stomach.
As someone who’s been abused by my family, my mother in particular, I can understand why people are having a backlash about this. Though my mother changed her ways and no longer does the cruel stuff she did, it’s still very hard to erase all that happened and forgive her. He mentioned that he is a “flawed” character. “Flawed” characteristic of humans constitute of something rather minimal; for example, being selfish, being cold and unloving, prideful, hypocritical, etc. Being abusive, on the other hand, is a myriad of flaws. It isn’t a “mistake” to abuse a child, it isn’t “a lapse of judgement” and anything that attributes it as that undermines abuse. It isn’t something you can easily fix and move on from. It’s something that you will carry for the rest of your life; both the abuser and the abused. Speaking from experience, I saw my mother choosing to not abuse me anymore as something she had to do for herself instead of me in order to abide to the norms of a new society. For example, we used to live in a different country where child abuse was taken lightly and everyone turned a blind eye. It was normalized. As we moved to the United States, however, she slowly started to realize that not everyone around her led the same lifestyle, therefore she changed in order to not get in trouble. Comparing this situation to Endeavor, who with his new found title of Number 1 Hero, seeks reconciliation with his family, not of the goodness of his own heart, but because, subconsciously, he feels like it’s something he has to do. Abusers, child abusers especially, have a completely different mindset and considering them “flawed” is letting them get off easy. There is something incredibly wrong with people who want to hurt something so small, defenseless and pure. Being granted forgiveness so soon is simply impossible. It’s understandable why people are having a backlash about this. Since it’s a made up anime, people tend to relate their own lives to it, resulting in the contrasting reactions of his reform. Meaning, people who have been abused before don’t want to accept his forgiveness, and others who might not have been abused might see it differently. Sure, Endeavor deserve a chance to be forgiven, and he should not be dehumanized. However, forgiveness doesn’t mean forgetting and what a person does to deal with their trauma is up to them.
Like even I don't like Endeavor ans don't think he can ever be 100% forgiven, but man the fans needs to chill because at least he's actually trying to change and he has also apologized. I'm personally excited for this arc
"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7
i was actually in the same boat with everyone else when it came to hating endeavors redemption until i watched this. i realized just how strange it was for me to have that kind of view point on someone who was just trying to better themselves. thanks for helping me reconsider my viewpoint
Once, someone made a post that said "abusive people are still people" and was like geniunly confused about that. At first, for my point of view, Endeavor treated a similar way that Ozai treated Azula, a tool that could prove that he's better than All Might on many ways and found it disgusting how far he was willing go to make the "perfect heir". Ignoring her sons and daughter, even posible was made "Dabi" take the path of a villian and send his own wife to the hospital. After Season 3 x Episode 11; it shows that Endeavor was aware of the damage he has done to his family and screamed at All Might because this whole time was merely trying to follow a shadow. For my opinion, abuse is disgusting on any shape or form. Endeavor realized that what he has done was wrong and tries to to fix, even if hella slow and ardous.
I just remembered that time when Bakugou and deku was kids and he used his quirk on deku, that's abuse but people don't talk about that but they hate endeavor for todorokis past
While I’m in favour of Endeavour’s redemption, I believe, just as the villains deserve penance, he does too. He needs time in a prison cell, or at least, his abuse needs to be addressed by the authorities before any real redemptive character development. It’d be interesting if Deku or Bakugou turned him over to the authorities, or perhaps he himself could recognise his mistakes and turn himself in. But while I believe that people have the power to change, I also believe that justice should be served for the victims of abuse. Only when his crimes have been properly addressed by the authorities do I think he could be suitably redeemed.
I for one actually like endeavor, and a lot of the people in the fandom attacked me for it, even though todoroki’s own mother is also abusive but gets off the hook; but nooo she is such a sweet and innocent angel
It just seems weird to me that if any other Villain would’ve done what endeavor did would’ve gone to jail. But endeavor based purely on the fact that he’s a hero, gets a whole redemption arc.
You know what we really need? A post-redemption ark Endeavor having a one-on-one chat with the current Bully Bakugou. Two characters who are so similar and yet so different but one is a hero who went on a path of egotistic and self-indulgence actions towards his goal of becoming the #1 hero and the other a young hero who is about to go that exact same path if nobody gives him a call out. But we all know Bakugou isn't going to change with words, he is too stupid and has such a big ego that the words will just go pass him but it would be nice if those two had a conversation.
I mean- Bakugou is already changing regardless of Endeavor. He doesn't even count as a bully anymore since he came to U.A. At first that's because he has no one to bully- but it's clear now that he's Deku's friend. He just won't admit it. He's just rude, really. Something he's gotta fix. But hardly the same kid he was that preyed on the weak.
It's okay to forgive someone for what they did but you can't forget what they did. But it depends on what the person has done. Like I think that there's a saying like "You can Forgive but you can't Forget" which is true. You should be able to be forgiven but that doesn't mean that everything you did gets erased. That's the problem with it. Just because you're forgiven it doesn't change anything until you try to change it. Like Rei could forgive her husband, Enji. But she doesn't forget what he did to her and the whole family. That's something that you can't just shove under a rug and act like it never happened. That's wrong.
At least Endeavor tried to be a better person unlike bakuhoe. Bakuhoe didn't even apologize for bullying midoriya. Endeavor wanting to be a better father is already good
I forgave Endeavor way back when he said he wanted to be a hero Shoto could be proud of but it doesn’t mean I will forget everything he had done I still have feeling of resentment towards him but I think he wants reconcile with his family cause didn’t he also send Ray flowers?? And the dinner?? To me it shows he’s doing his best for now
my hero academia it's a story about rising to the situation, endeavor has a low start but he is a hero, one that was blind by the concept of the competition to the number one spot, he understood that he was a monster, but now he is the number one hero and he has to become a true hero, it has the same beatas that bakougo had on the first seasons, he is what bakougo should become if he dont have the friends that he has and i think they are gonna explore that aspect of both characters.
Honestly, I find it interesting how people are much more willing to forgive and stan world destroyers and mass murderers but condemn abusers and bullies, I think it has something to do with how personal a characters crimes may be. Now I don't like Endeavor all that much but I can admit that it's because he reminds me of my own father. I think that since abuse, bullying and all that other stuff is more common, more human that it pisses people off much easier than people who do very uncommon or even unhuman things. You're far more likely to encounter an abusive person in your life than a mass murderer. Not to say that it's wrong to hate abusive characters or even to not want them to be redeemed, I just find it very interesting.
I personally dont know what I would include in the specifics of the arc But I feel it would be interesting if at the end of his redemption his family do forgive him but dont forget. Like they say theyll forgive what he did but he should never forget what hes done and let it drive him to actually be better. Though I personally feel this should heavily include Natsuo because he seemed the most against forgiveness at all so I feel Horokoshi should delve into what him and Fuyumi went through since it was shown that while they weren't abused in the same way as Shoto, Dabi of Rei but they went through more emotional abuse since they where the children Endeavour ignored for all their lives. But still I've always been a strong believer in forgive dont forget so I feel it would be interesting for Horokoshi to take that path.
Everyone deserves redemption................. Maybe Also possibly dabi 😁 Endeavour could also help bakugou as a character because he pretty much looks at deku the way endeavour looks at all might if the fact that endeavour abuses his family gets out and he has to make a statement then bakugou could go through some heavy stuff Endeavour has the high ground
Bakugou doesn't see Deku the same as endeavor saw all might. Endeavor saw all might as a nearly unreachable goal post. Bakugou sees Deku as someone who could potentially surpass him, so he has to hold him off and keep his title. Basically the exact opposite of endeavor to all might.
@@deadmeme6702 it's cool if you think it's the same. We all have our opinions. I'm just telling you, they don't view each other in the same light. Endeavor didn't grow up with all might by his side. Nor was he ever actually superior to him. Bakugou grew up with izuku, and has always been ahead of him. Whereas endeavor has been chasing all might since he met him.
I grew up in a less than average home. My father was very abusive towards myself and my mother physically mentally and emotionally I grew up wondering why I wasn't good enough why I wasn't as good as my brothers and sisters why he didn't love me. I won't go into details because well it's a personal story and this is the internet for God's sake. but I will say is that endeavor is doing something that I wanted my own father to do for years, he's trying. Can he ever make up for the things he done no not even close will he and his children be okay eventually I think so but will they ever be what they should be maybe not only time can tell but the key to my point, is that endeavor is trying to be better. He is trying to say he was wrong and he was trying to make up for it, it's character development its growth it makes him seem more human and it's something that I as a child who's been in todoroki's position would have loved to have had out of my own father before he OD'd. I'll never get that chance so I love seeing that endeavor is trying and that Todoroki gets to have the chance to fix things with his dad.
The problem is these days, people want to slam others for the horrible things they've done. Those same people have done horrible things in the past that are tightly hidden in their closet. When those things do come out they want you to forgive them, all the while screaming bloody murder about somebody else. They're hypocrites.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 I believe he's more talking about the special snowflakes who believe that say Bakugo and Izuku should be get together despite the fact that Bakugo literally beat the crap out of Izuku on a daily basis, then they get mad when people point out the flaws and call them homophobes.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 you missed the important part of the sentence, the bad thing isn't the same sex ships, the bad thing is all the pushing that people do
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 dont worry you werent going to be the only one to be that guy although reading it cant be mad about people hoping for same sex ship pushing for it like mad that can be skeptical but also people do want to be able to relate to the story and find things of themselves in a mainstream story. Also agree that Kaachan and Deku working with how there entire relationship has been since children yeaaaaaaaa no that no it would need major MAJOR shifting to make any of that work
You better shake the table Truth Hero! Everything you said was very true, especially with the lack of forgiveness these days in the real world. Without forgiveness, we continue to succumb to the cycle of hate and perpetuating hate. Yes, Endeavor was wrong, but he should be allowed to RIGHT those wrong or at least attempt to. Honestly, this just goes to show that Endeavor is just the hero ppl “hate to love” and “love to hate” no matter what he does.
I do personally believe in forgiveness so I do not have a problem with Endeavor gaining redemption if she shows that he truly sorry for what he did. On another note what I always find interesting about redemption arcs is in who eyes is the person trying to find redemption. For example is Endeavor looking to find a redemption in his family's eyes or in the eyes of society or this case the fanbase. Keep up the great work.
I will never forgot or forgive Endeavor for what he did to his family but I do clearly see how he truly doing his best to change into a better person and will continue to see where his new path will lead him. Thank you Truth Hero for seeing and understanding what Kohei Horikoshi real story of My Hero is about. After all we all need to remember Humans aren't Perfect and that's what makes us Human.
I'm so confused why some people say that Endeavor can't redeemed/change. People can change, a perfect example of this would be Bakugo. Bakugo is arguably the most changed person in MHA. When people are saying that Endeavor can't change/be redeemed are the same people that say Bakugo is the same person that told Deku to kill himself.
Dude, Bakugou hasn't changed that much, he is still inside of his ego bubble and the only thing he has done thus far is open his eyes to the possibility that he might not be the only top tier candidate for number 1 hero, that's not a redemption. He still needs to change himself as a person and who knows? Maybe Endeavor will be the guy who's going to have a proper conversation with him.
@@El_Leviatan I would argue he has change. His character arc is becoming a better person and thus a better hero. In the beginning of the story he's egotistical and narcissistic person who believe he's the best and how he changes is through the loses he faces. To being up what you said that Bakugo hasn't expect for the fact that he no longer see himself as the best which is a lesson he learned in 1x08 ( Season 1 episode 8) but he has grown more from that. We see him as someone can respect a person's strength as seen in Bakugo vs Uraraka which is a trait that he didn't have in the beginning of the series. Another is the Deku and Bakugo vs All Might where he learns it's ok accept help from other and teamwork. You seen him display this when he was taking classes for his professional license and the spring festival. The last one that I'll bring up is after the Deku vs Bakugo part 2 where through his talk with All Might saying that a hero isn't only just a person who always wins (Bakugo's Ideals) or only saves people (Deku's Ideals) but someone you can do both, you see this come to fruition in the Joint Training Arc where Bakugo saves Jirio. Bakugo has change a lot more than someone who no longer see himself as the best.
El Leviatan What do you mean change himself as a person? Like laught along the class when Kaminari does sonething done. Character Development doesn’t need him to condone a personality change. He said some of the deepest shit in ther series and with the most sense , like what he said to the kid in the lil kindergarten arc with Todoroki , Inasa , and Camie and shit like “ Just because we spend time together doesn’t make us friends “ On top of other things like saving Jirou. He’d never come close to doing stuff like this at the beggining. The same thing kinda goes for Endeavor. I love that “ Psyche “ phrase at the start of this arc. Him and Bakugo are most likely going to chat on how they work as heroes but Hopefully they both stay as the Cocky Hardassess they were in the begging. Hell even some characters in the story prefers Endeavor as “ the guy who doesn’t care about ppls impression of him “
I’m always confused af when people hate on an anime character for doing bad stuff. What makes anime so good is that authors can psychoanalyze the factors that lead people to do bad things and people can actually like those characters because guess what, they’re not real. For example, if you like a character like Obito or Madara from Naruto, that doesn’t mean that you support mass murder because at the end of the day they’re fictional characters and should be treated as such.
You make great points here honestly. No one wants to forgive the hero but are ok with villains being villians. Ironically, hero society itself is most likely the main antagonist. How quirks are viewed and who can use them are part of the problem. Imagine if Toga was mentored by the blood hero or if people found out what endeavor did to his family. It's all about perspective and circumstances. Everyone is good day or bad day from being a hero or villain
I can't say I will ever like Enji But I do feel he can get a redemption arc, if he tries harder and stops being a bish And I don't think his sons will ever fully forgive him at least soon but if he does get forgiven I feel the press should know and he should no longer be a hero (idc how but i feel he should not be a hero anymore)
The handling of his redemption arc is treading water gently. It's not happening at the snap of a finger and it's awkward and uncomfortable. That's how it should be, it's not easy to down cause it's intentionally not palatable. If there was a quick turn around and acceptance or a couple of missteps on the way of his journey then I would consider this mishandled. I disliked Endeavor but I like the way his redemption arc is being handled.
I REALLY hated Endeavor at the beginning of the MHA series, but I respect him for trying to change for the better and trying to redeem himself...which will take a REALLY Long time or never to accomplish
Totally agree man. And kind of what you touched on in this video, people's attitude toward Endeavor speaks to a much larger problem. Anymore, people seem to hate the very concept of forgiveness. And while some might not like me bringing religion into this, as a Christian the anti-forgiveness mentality really disturbs me.
@@TruthHero I agree with that, too. Just pointing out that the very core of my personal beliefs all ultimately goes back to forgiveness. But as you said, even if you're not religious forgiveness is still so important. We all make mistakes, to varying degrees. If someone truly realizes how wrong they were, they deserve the chance to be a better person in the present with respect and dignity.
Even if the main villains reflect on their mistakes and turn out for the better, there's absolutely no way they will be accepted back into society after the events that ensued. But on the other hand, bashing this arc just because Endeavor's in it is absolutely silly.
Even if i don't like a character it's not like i will just say "UGH i hate him" and drop the manga/anime whatever, i can still keep following the story and see where does it go, and i certantly don't attack others fans for liking them, after all many villains are the most liked and memorable characters of many fandoms, and i'm speaking as someone who isn't sold on endeavor redemption, since to me there wasn't a chance of catharsis for anyone involved, a bit like with bakugou and midoriya reletionship, but i still love the my hero academia and want to see where it will end up, plus that kind of mentality is toxic.
"He left me roses, that means he's good now" yeah, right. That's how the corpses end up piling. Great message for the kids Horikoshi. How about this: does his family deserve to move on? Can't he redeem himself somewhere where he can't keep hurting them? How does this redemption even work? All he did is realize no one cares for him because he's an asshole, it's not like he's turning himself in for the crimes he commited.
Even I have dealt with a dad that neglected and abused me and my brothers, but I do want him to change. The fact he is changing is good. That's why I accept Endeavour's changes. I love this change.
I honestly have no idea where things will be taken, so I'll give it my best guess. Rei will probably reconnect with Enji, slowly forgiving him. She's happy he understands the mistakes he's made and helps him try to be better. Shoto will be upset hearing that Rei has forgiven Endeavor, as will his siblings. rei will ask them to try and forgive him as well. They all agree because they love their mother, and Shoto has the hardest time, while his sister has the easiest. Assume the confrontation you talked about between Enji and Dabi will happen, we learn the back story to confirm it all, and then like you said; Shoto steps in to save his father once he gets overpowered by Dabi. That'll be Shoto's first big step, and things will slowly improve between the two. Shoto will hold a grudge for as long as he can, but it's hard to hold a grudge for a long time. There's a good chance someone would talk to Shoto and tell him thatholding the grudge is just making things harder on himself. (Something my bf has to remind me more often than I'd like to admit) Shoto, realizing they're right will take more steps to become a better son and forgive his father. Once Enji is forgiven by Shoto, there will still be a sense of emotional distance, shown by the fact Shoto continue's to call his dad 'father'. We'll know when that distance has closed when we get Shoto refering to Endeavor as 'dad'. (He hasn't done that, right? I can't remember if Shoto has actually stuck with 'father' this whole time or if he's been alternating) Just a guess though.
As long as Hori doesn't take the easy way out of the whole abuse situation i'm good with the Endeavor redemption arc. I think one of the best resolutions is making Enji incapable of fighting ever again so he can comtemplate on life, realize his mistakes AND FACE the consequences of his acts, maybe go to therapy (one thing he desperately needs) and idk lay low for a while I'd love some backstory for Endeavor, i really really really really want to know WHY he's like that, why he set up his plan to one-up All Might. I loved your video, fam, you make some really strong points
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Shoto and Katsuki should be the only interns for Endeavor, at least he's slowly changing.. Also Deku should train with a Reluctant Miruko
I don't like "sensitivity" censorship and meddling with Horikoshi's writing (and not just him, but in general). It's HIS work and we should have commentary and opinions on the finished work - not policing it. If we don't talk about sensitive topics - we're actively ignoring the problem and shutting down any chance for discussion.
There are many that think just because Rei and Fuyumi try to see Endeavour with possitive hope is the sign that Horikoshi that we should forgive him already, which I say is that is a misconception cause if that is the true then what about Natsuo that is not inclined to forgive him?, and Shoto Who tooks a neutral stance of watching what he would become from now on?,All of those are Horikoshi's take on this theme and if we want to pint point which opinion would be the one that Hori highlights is Shoto's that is the one that is more enphasaised, of watching what Endeavour Will do for atone for his sins, because Endeavour explicitly said that he can't seek for forgiveness but he would try to atone for what he did. So Idk why people search in such stupid ways, to hate the series or Horikoshi but well is what It comes when this serie is one of the most influencial in many years but men people really like to hate.. for no reason is a shame
Not gonna lie I saw the title and was mad but I love your channle so I gave it a chance and you really gave me perspective I dont know if I could ever like the character but I can now respect the path of forgiveness that thier giving him
Yes they have.....
I have a background of being abused by authoritative family members and I LOVE where the narrative is taking Endeavor. When the controversy hit last year, I read the chapters under fire and found them to be VERY respectful to the situation of abuse. I loved how every family member was affected differently. Todoroki's mom went crazy. One son is straight up missing from the family. The sister is frantically trying to hold the family together and make the situation at least have some semblance of normalcy. The other son angrily confronts Endeavor and tells him that no amount of change or good he does to society will EVER make up for what he did to his family. Shouto passive aggressively makes fun of Endeavor's scar, but he also nearly has a breakdown at the thought of his dad dying. The situation is so nuanced and actively takes the victims of abuse into account, rather than just focusing on Endeavor. I hate Endeavor as a person, but I love where his character is going.
Wow, respect fam :)
Literally the first comment I have ever liked
You just describe my own thoughts i wish i could get you 100 likes
@@Mallasify nope he got 109 lol
Damn Right! Horikoshi's doing good writing!
Why people are obsessed with endeavor when there's literally serial killers fan favorites lol
I know haha!
Like people love Toga and her life wasn't even that horrible and she's a murderer. People also love Bakugou even though he abused Deku but don't like Endeavor? I will say it probably makes Endeavor looks worse because he's trying to hero while the villains know they're fucked up
@@micah459 I was not even referring to them .. characters like Vegeta , scar , Sasuke etc literally killed people .... that's a lot worse than anything endeavor did
@@cvox607 but they are villains and endeavor is a hero.........lmao and abusing ur fam physically, mentally or emotionally is pretty fucked up and people dont like it even after the redemption arc lmao
@@cvox607 Yeah but they were villains when that happened and not trying to be a hero and putting a false image to the public.
While I dislike Endevar, I can't wait to see his character develop as a writer. I WANT TO SEE ENDEVAR GROW AS A CHARACTER
An as a true father
😢😂
Dude same. I love morally flawed characters so much because they have the best development. I can only hope he has a good start to fixing his relationship with Shoto. Hell, Shoto shouldnt even give him any answer as to how he feels about him yet. He should just say, "See you at the next internship." to show he is starting to care again about his father
Yeah, everyone could see what endevor represented, he was what bakugo could become if he kept on his power is absolute mentality, he was consumed to be the number 1 hero, and this frustantion drove him to comit horrible things.
Up until then he was a jerkass father, if you see anime or toku enought you know the trope, but then *UNITED STATES OF SMASH* happned, and he became the number 1 and for the 1st time in decades he seen the trye weight of his action, and that was the moment he got realy intresthing.
I too... would love to see Endevar grow
Finally someone with a brain.
Man, Horikoshi doesn't deserve such backlash. In simplest terms they're just characters in a manga. You can have your opinions sure, but to be sending death threats to another human over this seems a unnecessary. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this bud. Btw (off topic), almost at 50k! When are we getting some kind of merch to support our truthhero in training?
Dude I'm actually drawing something for merch right now haua, but what would you want on merch?
Truth Hero I’m sure anything you come up with will be dope! Personally, I just thought of the word “Philosophy” in the MHA font real bold on the front or something idk! But I can’t wait 😊
People today have lost so much of their kindness. I commented on a previous video about Endeavour and how I asked my mom, who grew up with and emotionally abusive father, if she thought an abuser could find forgiveness in their family. She told me that she believed they could. We talked about how hatred only hinders you in life and causes more pain then healing. We talked about people who recognize their faults and truly seek forgiveness can grow to be some of the kindest and most empathetic people, If you allow trials to be your teacher. It takes time and true remorse. Our society is truly lost if we don't allow others to learn from their mistakes.
Yeah, hatred only corrupts the soul
Nobody is civil anymore and thinks what it is like to be the other guy.
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@@carlrogge94 joker reference?
It’s crazy how some people dislike this arc just cause of endeavor. I’m sure it’s gonna be a great arc
Yeah, especially with all of Hawks' shenanigans
Honestly, I'm excited for this arc. Enji is a character with a lot of potential, I can't wait to see where it takes him.
The guys who think Endeavour doesn't deserve redemption despite honest effort on his part and consider him the worst father in existence clearly haven't heard of Shou Tucker.
Clearly they didn't watch EVA
Shinji get in the goddamn robot
Exactly.
Ed…ward
Dont you say that name. It still sends goosebumps up my arms every time I hear it
i haven’t watched the video yet but i can’t agree more with the title
Haha thanks
Same here; people look at things at face-value too much *sigh*
Same
Nope
Same! I liked and favorited this video before it even started. Now I'm watching it. Haha.
Endeavor's own wife is more accepting of him than the fandom.
Oof I know right
Battered spouse syndrome is a thing
Salty fish soda he sends her gifts but she refuses them because she doesn’t wanna be with someone who beats her
Not to mention she's just as bad since she burned her baby boy
The Knight the reason she did that was because she couldn’t handle the abuse and accidentally burned his face in rage, but in a newer season todoroki visits her and forgives her for leaving
I love Endevor. Even if he started off very mean and crazy. He has changed though. He is now trying to become a father that his children always wanted.
It makes no sense eveyone wants todoroki to be a happy boi, yet they dont want endeavor to get redeemed?
Yeah, I love the flawed character
I'm still wondering how he will make amends with Dabi if he is his son.
@@micah459 wondering if DABI will be the death of Endevor
@@keiralindsey4165 That's what I'm guessing because tbh I can't see Dabi changing a new leaf because he seems too far gone so him killing Endeavor would be something I can see happening
How does it make sense to threaten the life of a REAL person over a FICTIONAL character 🤔🤔🤔
I don’t like that your made up person is shitty,
So I’m going to be a *REAL LIFE SHITTY PERSON!*
@@Abdega you forgot the evil laughter
VITTORIA LA SIRENA
I did? Oh I’m sorry
*MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!*
@@Abdega thank you, much appreciated
There are some fucked up persons out there that think of themselves as good ones. That's dangerous
How tf are people gonna like bakugou but hate endeavor?
Exactly, If Bakugou doesn't change as a person he might end up like Endeavor 2.0.
Love this comment!! LOVE IT. as it is true, Bakagou is an awful human being as he abuses Izuku and tells him to commit suicide! Fans:we love him!! But we hate Endeavor as he is nearly the same thing but not young
The funny thing is their are people who do the exact opposite as well lmao I feel like the both deserve to be redeem
Kachan is a child. That difference alone makes him redeemable. He’s also more misunderstood. He’s not a bad human he’s just an asswhole. His pride combined with desire to be #1 hero makes him seem one dimensional but his character is deeper than that. He’s a lot like endeavor but nothing like him. And telling a kid to kill them self isn’t no where near the level of immorality of beating your wife and kids(he only beat his son to make him strong anyways) bakugou also embodies a true hero, he was captured by the LOV and not only did he show his resolve he was more than willing to fight all them till he won because that what he believes being a good hero is. Like cmon how are you not inspired by that.
@@RemyKingKen being a good hero does not deem your personality. Endeavor as a person was terrible, but he was always a good hero. #2 for a reason. Bakugou still has his shitty attitude and the desire of being #1 that he has is what caused endeavor's terrible behaviour in the first place
So people have a problem with Endeavour being in this arc but were ok with the villains getting there own? Like??????
No, this Fantom is just full of whiny idiots in general. I couldn't read one chapter of the arc without seeing somebody complain
Screw the fandom endeavour is well written. They can't accept good writing
Everyones a hero in their mind.
Everyone wants to believe that they are justified in doing what they do.
Everyone has a hard time admitting fault.
I dont have a problem with endeavor. I have a problem with him not accurately recieving any punishments i mean he abused his whole family for decades and it felt like it moved to fast like suddenly hes an asshole and the next he suddenly isnt anymore. Its almost like a mockery to people who have gotten abused and who know the signs and steps of abuse. He had no time to do better he just suddenly was.
1. An abuser abuses a victim.
2.the abuser apologizes to said victim and theres a period of normalcy.
3.the abuser abuses the victim.
Everyone is entitled to forgiveness but forgiveness is not merely given it is earned over a period of time. The forgiveness needs to have impact on the individual instead of it just being like "ya cool bro your chill I forgive you for my whole life trauma " it takes time and effort and when someone just starts off making that effort that effort has to take time to sink in. With endeavor it was just 1,2,3 im a good person now hahaha good writing yes bad delivery
With the villian arc a lot of villians in anime think they are justified
For example Shigaraki bad circumstances he was a kid who was looking for support he didnt get that he felt wronged and abused and was trained by one for all which solidified his way of thinking. Not to mention if your quirk is harmful to others your immediatly thrown from society take toga for example overhaul he wanted to bring back everyones honor. Wanted to be on top again in his mind it was a valiant decision that needed a complex and fucked up solution.
Most people enjoy endeavor they just hate how fast he seemed to have progressed because they understand consequences.
Consequences are needed to get that redemption. To get that forgiveness to get that understanding. Thats how betterment is done by learning from your mistakes and those harmful mistakes such as abuse mental trauma emotional trauma and most likely PTSD have big consequences.
Yeah :/
There's people who like compress :/
Like seriously.
Endeavor and Touya are way better characters.
@@V_Rosez sat here and read all this for nothing lol
This generation ask for tolerance, but they don't want to forgive.
agree
They forgave Vegeta fine and well and he’s a mass murderer.
@@brandonlyon730 entire planets
Part of forgiving someone is them also saying that they were wrong. If no contrition is shown no forgiveness is forthcoming.
@@Darkstar1484 But these people don't want to move on that part
They are children in adult bodies they are not gonna listen to anything you say. They are gonna throw a fit till they tucker themselves out.
I've seen plenty of adults spew the same shit.
Why not both?
This has more meaning with the image of Ron Swanson saying it.
"Tucker" sorry I couldn't
Thank you for making this. I mean if Anakin Skywalker can be redeem, then so can endeavor.
Yeah, no one is beyond forgiveness
@@TruthHero except shou tucker
Vegeta was allowed one and he’s a literal mass murderer.
I quit Tumblr/online fandom before I even got into Bnha, which is probably why I never even realise there’s drama until videos like these come up. Endeavour is undeniably Not Good, at least when we’re first introduced to him, but he’s working on getting better...let him live.
More than anything though, if his mere existence in the plot bothers you that much, remember this: DUDE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER.
What makes endevaour such a interesting character to me is the fact that he is trying to change.
Abusive characters in media is usually black and white (all bad)
And the fact that endevaour is trying to be a better father and hero makes him kinda special to me,
Its sad to se that there are so many people who gives horikoshi hate for this, it's so childish and unnesesary, if they dont like him they can just stop reading.
Up until this point horikoshi has ben an amazing writer who takes cliches and puts his own spins on them or turns them around completely, and i am excited to see what he is going to do next❤
Endeavor is the worst father ever!!!
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And Gendo
@asian dude constantly abused guts and used him for money, sell him for one night to a guy, and tried to kill him
Have you met ging from hunter X hunter
Oh snap, a rant from Truth Hero? That's how you know things have gone too far
I couldn't been madder too...
Some Fans: My favorite character is Vegeta he had the best character redemption arc.
Me: Okay, hey have you heard that Endeavor is getting a redemption arc.
Some fans: No forget that he doesn't deserve to be redeem after all the stuff he did.
Me: ... Yet you like Vegeta who done even more messed up stuff.
But vegeta was raised to be like that what's Endeavors?
@@Disruptor97 He literally killed millions with a honest to god smile on his face. Not to mention it took Trunks getting killed for him to actually show he cares for him.
Omg horikoshis gonna make the todoroki family happy and then hes gonna do the dabi reveal (hopefully) and its all gonna go crazy again
Family matters the anime
So. How we feeling after the reveal?
Please,show me these idiots. Who complains a lot and whiny. Because ,i love how Hori put that themes in manga. What it means to be a hero and redemtion. Also, as victim of domestic violence i have no problems seeing Endeavor in arc. Because it would be awesome for writing perpectives. And people who complain about that or even dare to attack Horikoshi can leave . Fandom loses nothing!
Endeavor is a human too, is he not allowed to make mistakes and try to fix it?
Exactly! And sure while what he did will never truly go away, he now *KNOWS AND ACKNOWLEDGES* what he did was wrong and is doing what he can to fix it
@@Abdega abuse is terrible, we understand that but he knows and regrets it and is trying to earn forgiveness from his family. We should give him a chance
Child abuse isn't a "mistake"
Mr. ElectriDictator then what is it?
@@b3n949 a crime. An offence.
It's like saying 'he's slowly killing a child, but it's OK! He's only human :)'
That shit don't work.
Gosh I agree so much with the title already (Endeavor became my favorite pro hero after I caught up with the manga)
Thanks man
I had a debate about this with a friend of mine who loves Vegeta's character arc in Dragonball Z and Dragonball Super. I reminded him that Vegeta literally committed genocide, and that in addition to his murder and space war-crimes he ALSO abused his son. I think it is a testament to the writing of MHA that it feels so real that some people can't forgive the characters for their fictional crimes.
no vegeta didnt abuse trunks he was actually a very good father unlike goku who just wants to train
He didn't abuse his son
@@raysharingan3150 goku is a bad father. The man spent 5 years of his sons life with him. Died two times to protect gohan. Then he spent the 4 year gap between Z and super with goten. If that's a bad father, then our standards for a good dad is to high.
@@BoricuaKelfa Goku is still a mediocre father tho
The fandom is less accepting to Endeavour for abusing Shoto than Shoto himself!!
I feel like he can redeem himself without getting forgiveness, if that makes sense. But I feel like his real redemption will come when his past is exposed
True, he could sacrifice himself, but I hope he does get to reconcile and reconnect with his family
@@TruthHero Especially his wife. She deserves it the most in my opinion since she's been through it and we don't know how much of abuse she had received from Enji. But in my opinion she must've had it the worst since we don't know how long it was. Shoto and Touya had it worse but probably not to the extent of her. Possibly
Nope I still don't like the guy 👀 but it's good seeing him trying to accept what he did was wrong 🤔 not many 'Fathers' swallow their pride and admit that they were wrong to anyone 🙀 I do believe he can be redeemed and a long talk with Shouto is needed 😐 we definitely need family therapy here and someone drag Dabi, strap him to a chair, and make him listen (he'll probably burn the chair though) 👀 but I don't like Endeavor, nor will I ever but he does have my respect 😐
Also, who the f**k believes it's okay to send threats to guy for a fictional character!? I'm seriously disappointed with the fandom, that's just taking it way too far 😐
Yeah, you don't have to like him, but SJW "fans" sending death threats is worse than the actual issue haha
This! I can't fucking stand Endeavor, so much I wish he attempts to get redemption, and everyone goes "Lol nope!". Even though I like far worse characters (Vegeta, Darth Vader, Toga, Bakugo). Weird and crazy I know, but Idk why or really care I just hate the bastard. My hatred for the guy is like an active fire, but I would never send death threats to real people just writing a story. Too far, and sadly not surprised. Just sad this kind of shit happens in every fandom cause I always agree with what their saying just not their methods.
I understand that. He's a real piece of work.
That's probably why I like his character. Because while I do like my All Mights and Dekus... I feel like a story and world within that story can't be interesting with just the "wish fulfillment" characters. Yes, we like out super wholesome U.A. staff. We want all our morally ambiguous characters to quickly reveal they aren't that bad. That way we don't have to feel uncomfortable.
I am not saying Endeavor is entitled to forgiveness or wasn't that bad, to begin with. He was pretty bad. Hell- he kinda reminded me of my own father. A prodigy with high standards, that can be downright cruel when you're not meeting his moral and academic expectations. He and I really don't get along and any attempt he makes to talk to me, I find myself regressing into a weak child. Truth be told, that just makes me find Endeavor to be.. real. It's actually pretty scary. But that's the power of great writing and characterization.
And though my own father will never admit he's wrong (ever), I agree with Shoto that there is still something to learn from him and the good he does do. It's a very nuanced take.
The redemption, to me, is more of a nice progression of the story. As real as Endeavor was, if his situation with Shouto remained the same for the whole series, it'd get stale and Shouto himself would've become boring.
@@dantejuryoku1596 dang, was the belt embed with daimonds when you were wooped as a child?
Or go visit Dabi in jail since he's a murderer. 'Cause we cannot forget that.
Endeavor is my favorite character by FAR and it blows my fucking mind that people don’t understand how well written his character is
Aaaaah i'm so glad there's actual mature peoples ^^
Personally, I disagree with the idea that everyone deserves redemption and forgiveness. There is nothing wrong with a victim forgiving their abuser(s), of course, but that doesn't mean that they're doing something wrong by not forgiving their abuser(s).
While forgiveness is a part of recovery for many victims, it isn't for all of them. A lot of victims have to work extremely hard to be able to accept themselves and what happened, and that often comes with anger. Being angry isn't inherently wrong. It was created for us to protect ourselves, and it's necessary for our survival.
Besides, not forgiving someone doesn't just mean spending your entire life pissed off and trying to make the other person's life a living hell. A lot of times, it's just holding resentment where resentment is due.
The reason that a lot of people are upset about Endeavor's redemption is because of the notion that all victims must forgive their abusers or they're terrible people (which may be enforced through Endeavor's redemption), and because Endeavor hasn't really done much to redeem himself, so they're worried that Horikoshi will just end it with Endeavor sending Rei some stuff and not hitting Shouto anymore. He has only been shown to actually reach out to Rei and Shouto so far, and he hasn't even done it well. I find it completely understandable to not want an Endeavor redemption.
What I don't understand is the death threats and harassment Horikoshi has received. It is absolutely unacceptable for someone to threaten someone's life over something that hasn't even really happened yet in a fictional story.
Whether or not Shouto forgives Endeavor doesn't really matter. What does matter is real people, which the My Hero Academia characters are not. Of course criticism is expected, but there is a line between criticism and bullying. That line gets crossed when people send death threats and hate.
I also think that there is a big problem with in the fandom, too. There are people who like Endeavor that aren't abuse apologist. While there are many that definitely are, that doesn't mean all of them are. I personally love Shigaraki despite all of the horrible things he's done, so I do understand Endeavor fans.
Ultimately, they're all just fictional character, and no one deserves people telling them to kill themselves just for simply liking a character. It's also ridiculous that people who like one evil character are giving hate to people who like a different evil character. Everyone has the right to enjoy whatever character they want.
Also, yes. Endeavor does indeed have a spectacularly thicc ass.
I so fucking agree. People who don't forgive their abusers aren't doing anything wrong. It's reasonable.
Alex M. I don’t think the message is that the victims have to forgive the abuser though. If they do, then alright, but they don’t paint Shoto or Rei in a negative light at all during his redemption. Rei is understanding but not necessarily forgiving, admittedly because she didn’t have a lot of focus on her and it wasn’t shown to be a bad thing at all that Shoto doesn’t like Endeavor when Endeavor tries to reach out to him numerous times with a much nicer approach through text or directness with no greed behind it. He’s also still passive aggressive towards Endeavor and that’s not framed to be a bad thing, even though Endeavor is trying to redeem himself. This is about Endeavor being a better person, not about the victims forgiving him.
@@pj_spirit
People (including myself) are worried that in the future of Endeavor's redemption, Horikoshi will make the story be just about forgiveness. It's happened countless times in other works of fiction, as well as in real life.
Horikoshi may make Endeavor suffer a bit (probably doing hero work, perhaps in the current arc of the manga), and then Make Shouto forgive him because of how "noble" Endeavor seemed. Maybe he will just make loving Endeavor an expectation because he's a "changed man" and isn't as horrible anymore. It still hasn't happened yet, so it's impossible to tell for sure.
Most people that don't want an Endeavor redemption are just worried about how it could very easily go very wrong.
I mean people forgave Vegeta fine and feel, but he was a literal mass murderer. People are not willing to forgive a child and wife abuser and yet they are willing to forgive a mass murderer who nearly allowed his wife and baby son to be killed multiple times like with number 20, and making things worse by allowing Cell to become perfect and allowing Majin Buu to be released just for a fight.
im sorry but the last part really took me out
I swear, the people hating on Endeavor say that he's an irredeemable trashbag while holding Bakugo and Vegeta on a pedestal.
In defense of Bakugou, he's still a teenager- and most of his worst actions were before he got into high school. People seem to forget that kid's normally don't have fully developed moral compasses.
Also, most Endeavor haters are Bakugou haters.
@@ObaREX
*literal teenagers in news also capable of abusing and killing and knowing they did bad*
That doesn't excuse the bully regardless
I'm here because I just got into an argument about Endeavor. I got called an abuse supporter and "probably abusive" myself. I'm watching this so I can have a GREAT argument next time.
"The other option is death" This fandom will actually celebrate that.
Oh God...
Not me. I want Shoto to bave a whole and happy family. Half of the fandom, maybe. But the rest would be sad because he's developing from an abusive trash can to a father and husband his family has been wanting ever since.
Not me I bet shoto will cry if endervor die bc first it he's dad
YES, every abuser past, or current should be killed hell yeah I'll celebrate there deaths.
If you are one of those hating on this ark, and/or hating on Horikoshi.
One: Stop calling yourself a fan and stop reading/watching.
Two: Grow up.
This is a STORY and it is Horikoshi's story NOT yours. You are along for the ride here! Life is full of horrible things, horrible people and horrible happenings. If you are so sheltered that you cannot read a piece of literature that tackles and shows something bad then you need to grow up and learn that bad things happen and sometimes bad people make those things happen. I LOVE Endeavour because, in a world so similar yet so different from our own he is a REAL character, he's tried so long and so hard to become the top hero always fighting and struggling in a futile attempt to overcome a godlike figure. With all this and his obvious stubborn nature is it not natural that he'd become twisted in his mind? Now sure, I'm not saying what he did was right or justified but in terms of his story, it is REAL.
Just like was mentioned in the video, Darth Vader for instance; kills entire planets worth of people, fathers, mothers, children etc far FAR worse than what Endeavour has done right? But just because Darth Vader's atrocities are otherworldy and not REAL world issues he doesn't get hate? The writer who created him does not get hate? But here we have people hating on Horikoshi and saying he condones abuse? what the hell? Does the creator of Star Wars condone and encourage mass genocide? OF COURSE FUCKING NOT!
Endeavour is a GOOD character, he has not and will not always be the best MAN or FATHER but he is a REAL character who shows a REAL part of both Hero Aca and our own society. And if after ALL this video, the comment's section and I have said doesn't convince you? Refer back to point one and two above and fuck of elsewhere.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk, keep up the heard work Truth Hero!
I haven’t seen the video itself in case I get triggered but the title “if you don’t like endeavor, you can LEAVE!” Is... ignorant to me. I’m glad he starts to become a better hero as seen in His Start and stuff but that doesn’t excuse any of his past abuse and the fact that OP is saying someone who horrifically abused his wife and son is a person who should be liked is really icky to me. Maybe Endeavor is good at being a hero but he still traumatized his wife and kid and it sickens me to my stomach.
I love when anime characters get their own arks Its a good chance for character development and redemption if they did something bad
As someone who’s been abused by my family, my mother in particular, I can understand why people are having a backlash about this. Though my mother changed her ways and no longer does the cruel stuff she did, it’s still very hard to erase all that happened and forgive her.
He mentioned that he is a “flawed” character. “Flawed” characteristic of humans constitute of something rather minimal; for example, being selfish, being cold and unloving, prideful, hypocritical, etc. Being abusive, on the other hand, is a myriad of flaws. It isn’t a “mistake” to abuse a child, it isn’t “a lapse of judgement” and anything that attributes it as that undermines abuse. It isn’t something you can easily fix and move on from. It’s something that you will carry for the rest of your life; both the abuser and the abused.
Speaking from experience, I saw my mother choosing to not abuse me anymore as something she had to do for herself instead of me in order to abide to the norms of a new society. For example, we used to live in a different country where child abuse was taken lightly and everyone turned a blind eye. It was normalized. As we moved to the United States, however, she slowly started to realize that not everyone around her led the same lifestyle, therefore she changed in order to not get in trouble. Comparing this situation to Endeavor, who with his new found title of Number 1 Hero, seeks reconciliation with his family, not of the goodness of his own heart, but because, subconsciously, he feels like it’s something he has to do.
Abusers, child abusers especially, have a completely different mindset and considering them “flawed” is letting them get off easy. There is something incredibly wrong with people who want to hurt something so small, defenseless and pure. Being granted forgiveness so soon is simply impossible.
It’s understandable why people are having a backlash about this. Since it’s a made up anime, people tend to relate their own lives to it, resulting in the contrasting reactions of his reform. Meaning, people who have been abused before don’t want to accept his forgiveness, and others who might not have been abused might see it differently. Sure, Endeavor deserve a chance to be forgiven, and he should not be dehumanized. However, forgiveness doesn’t mean forgetting and what a person does to deal with their trauma is up to them.
Shoto didn't even go through real abuse. If anything, Rei is the real abuser.
Snowflakes need to leave the fandom if they have problem with the story & character arcs.
I've had it with snowflake culture
The irony at how but hurt they get when you get annoyed of constant gay ships.
@@El_doll Fr especially this particular case is just plain stupid.
Maybe they're just hurt because Endeavor melts them?? I'll leave now...
@@TruthHero that's nice way to put it 😂😂
Like even I don't like Endeavor ans don't think he can ever be 100% forgiven, but man the fans needs to chill because at least he's actually trying to change and he has also apologized. I'm personally excited for this arc
Yeah, I'm excited to see where Horikoshi takes us with this
"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” John 8:7
I never expected to see that, but you are right
i was actually in the same boat with everyone else when it came to hating endeavors redemption until i watched this. i realized just how strange it was for me to have that kind of view point on someone who was just trying to better themselves. thanks for helping me reconsider my viewpoint
I actually think it's really cool to see Endeavor working together with Todoroki, Bakugou and Deku. I am really looking forward to that arc
I'm just interesting in Bakugo and Endeavor dynamic
@@diamonshade7484 SAME. That should be interesting.
Bro, you were an entire year ahead of Endeavours arc. Absolutely amazing analysis, and great reasoning
😁
Once, someone made a post that said "abusive people are still people" and was like geniunly confused about that.
At first, for my point of view, Endeavor treated a similar way that Ozai treated Azula, a tool that could prove that he's better than All Might on many ways and found it disgusting how far he was willing go to make the "perfect heir". Ignoring her sons and daughter, even posible was made "Dabi" take the path of a villian and send his own wife to the hospital.
After Season 3 x Episode 11; it shows that Endeavor was aware of the damage he has done to his family and screamed at All Might because this whole time was merely trying to follow a shadow.
For my opinion, abuse is disgusting on any shape or form. Endeavor realized that what he has done was wrong and tries to to fix, even if hella slow and ardous.
Yeah, the only difference was Ozai never felt a need to repent, it'll be interesting to see a character like his actually seek forgiveness
I just remembered that time when Bakugou and deku was kids and he used his quirk on deku, that's abuse but people don't talk about that but they hate endeavor for todorokis past
While I’m in favour of Endeavour’s redemption, I believe, just as the villains deserve penance, he does too. He needs time in a prison cell, or at least, his abuse needs to be addressed by the authorities before any real redemptive character development. It’d be interesting if Deku or Bakugou turned him over to the authorities, or perhaps he himself could recognise his mistakes and turn himself in. But while I believe that people have the power to change, I also believe that justice should be served for the victims of abuse. Only when his crimes have been properly addressed by the authorities do I think he could be suitably redeemed.
I agree, not sure if I'd opt for prison, but he needs to atone for his sins PUBLICLY. Even if it means he is demoted from being a hero
That's stupid.
I for one actually like endeavor, and a lot of the people in the fandom attacked me for it, even though todoroki’s own mother is also abusive but gets off the hook; but nooo she is such a sweet and innocent angel
These people who are hating on Endeavor are likely the same people who fanboy/fangirl over Dabi/Shigaraki/Toga.
Tropical Lad I fanboy over those three and I really like Endeavour lmao.
It just seems weird to me that if any other Villain would’ve done what endeavor did would’ve gone to jail. But endeavor based purely on the fact that he’s a hero, gets a whole redemption arc.
You know what we really need? A post-redemption ark Endeavor having a one-on-one chat with the current Bully Bakugou. Two characters who are so similar and yet so different but one is a hero who went on a path of egotistic and self-indulgence actions towards his goal of becoming the #1 hero and the other a young hero who is about to go that exact same path if nobody gives him a call out. But we all know Bakugou isn't going to change with words, he is too stupid and has such a big ego that the words will just go pass him but it would be nice if those two had a conversation.
Bakugou always acknowledges what other people say. He just isn't easily swayed. He has conviction.
I mean- Bakugou is already changing regardless of Endeavor. He doesn't even count as a bully anymore since he came to U.A. At first that's because he has no one to bully- but it's clear now that he's Deku's friend. He just won't admit it. He's just rude, really. Something he's gotta fix. But hardly the same kid he was that preyed on the weak.
It's okay to forgive someone for what they did but you can't forget what they did. But it depends on what the person has done. Like I think that there's a saying like "You can Forgive but you can't Forget" which is true. You should be able to be forgiven but that doesn't mean that everything you did gets erased. That's the problem with it. Just because you're forgiven it doesn't change anything until you try to change it. Like Rei could forgive her husband, Enji. But she doesn't forget what he did to her and the whole family. That's something that you can't just shove under a rug and act like it never happened. That's wrong.
Endeavor is one of the best written characters of the series, that's enough for me to want to see more of him.
At least Endeavor tried to be a better person unlike bakuhoe. Bakuhoe didn't even apologize for bullying midoriya. Endeavor wanting to be a better father is already good
I forgave Endeavor way back when he said he wanted to be a hero Shoto could be proud of but it doesn’t mean I will forget everything he had done I still have feeling of resentment towards him but I think he wants reconcile with his family cause didn’t he also send Ray flowers?? And the dinner?? To me it shows he’s doing his best for now
People: Endeavor doesn't deserve redemption
The same people: #bensolodeservedbetter
my hero academia it's a story about rising to the situation, endeavor has a low start but he is a hero, one that was blind by the concept of the competition to the number one spot, he understood that he was a monster, but now he is the number one hero and he has to become a true hero, it has the same beatas that bakougo had on the first seasons, he is what bakougo should become if he dont have the friends that he has and i think they are gonna explore that aspect of both characters.
The 13th rule for life is “enjoy the character development”
Honestly, I find it interesting how people are much more willing to forgive and stan world destroyers and mass murderers but condemn abusers and bullies, I think it has something to do with how personal a characters crimes may be. Now I don't like Endeavor all that much but I can admit that it's because he reminds me of my own father. I think that since abuse, bullying and all that other stuff is more common, more human that it pisses people off much easier than people who do very uncommon or even unhuman things. You're far more likely to encounter an abusive person in your life than a mass murderer. Not to say that it's wrong to hate abusive characters or even to not want them to be redeemed, I just find it very interesting.
I personally dont know what I would include in the specifics of the arc
But I feel it would be interesting if at the end of his redemption his family do forgive him but dont forget.
Like they say theyll forgive what he did but he should never forget what hes done and let it drive him to actually be better.
Though I personally feel this should heavily include Natsuo because he seemed the most against forgiveness at all so I feel Horokoshi should delve into what him and Fuyumi went through since it was shown that while they weren't abused in the same way as Shoto, Dabi of Rei but they went through more emotional abuse since they where the children Endeavour ignored for all their lives.
But still I've always been a strong believer in forgive dont forget so I feel it would be interesting for Horokoshi to take that path.
Endeavor is the best character in MHA. Period.
I wouldnt say best hut he is a very great charcter who is redemable and can show great and promising inprovement in the future
Idk about that haha
I want to see Todoroki and endeavor get along and have father son moments but endeavor is not ready yet, and I hope this arc will work towards that
You do realize that Todoroki is there last name right
@@diamonshade7484 yea but a lot of people refer to shoto as todoroki
@@testla4682 whatever
Everyone deserves redemption.................
Maybe
Also possibly dabi 😁
Endeavour could also help bakugou as a character because he pretty much looks at deku the way endeavour looks at all might if the fact that endeavour abuses his family gets out and he has to make a statement then bakugou could go through some heavy stuff
Endeavour has the high ground
Yeah, we could see Dabi turn on the LOV! Endeavor is the least of our redemption possibilities
Bakugou doesn't see Deku the same as endeavor saw all might.
Endeavor saw all might as a nearly unreachable goal post.
Bakugou sees Deku as someone who could potentially surpass him, so he has to hold him off and keep his title.
Basically the exact opposite of endeavor to all might.
@@bonerpants7203 ok then
I still think its the same tho
@@deadmeme6702 it's cool if you think it's the same. We all have our opinions. I'm just telling you, they don't view each other in the same light. Endeavor didn't grow up with all might by his side. Nor was he ever actually superior to him.
Bakugou grew up with izuku, and has always been ahead of him. Whereas endeavor has been chasing all might since he met him.
@@bonerpants7203 nice
I grew up in a less than average home. My father was very abusive towards myself and my mother physically mentally and emotionally I grew up wondering why I wasn't good enough why I wasn't as good as my brothers and sisters why he didn't love me.
I won't go into details because well it's a personal story and this is the internet for God's sake. but I will say is that endeavor is doing something that I wanted my own father to do for years, he's trying.
Can he ever make up for the things he done no not even close will he and his children be okay eventually I think so but will they ever be what they should be maybe not only time can tell but the key to my point, is that endeavor is trying to be better. He is trying to say he was wrong and he was trying to make up for it, it's character development its growth it makes him seem more human and it's something that I as a child who's been in todoroki's position would have loved to have had out of my own father before he OD'd. I'll never get that chance so I love seeing that endeavor is trying and that Todoroki gets to have the chance to fix things with his dad.
I agree honestly if you cant at least give it a chance then yeah skip this arc
Yeah, just see where it goes you know?
Btw this may not make sense but
Although i dont like Endevor as a person, i love his character, i find him really interesting to read/watch
Imagine like overhaul more than endeavor
The problem is these days, people want to slam others for the horrible things they've done. Those same people have done horrible things in the past that are tightly hidden in their closet. When those things do come out they want you to forgive them, all the while screaming bloody murder about somebody else. They're hypocrites.
True, we hate in others what we hate about ourselves
*Me literally over here in the corner being a endeavor stan*
@Josie Casalino endeavor is an amazing character i'm with you
These should be called Trurh Rants because like always my boy speaks the truth! 👏🏻
The same people who send death threats and dislike endeavor are the same people who cosplay Toga and push same sex ships😐😐😐😐
TakeASip not to be that guy but what’s wrong with same sex ships.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 I believe he's more talking about the special snowflakes who believe that say Bakugo and Izuku should be get together despite the fact that Bakugo literally beat the crap out of Izuku on a daily basis, then they get mad when people point out the flaws and call them homophobes.
@@Ozziemandias56 THANK YOU!!
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 you missed the important part of the sentence, the bad thing isn't the same sex ships, the bad thing is all the pushing that people do
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 dont worry you werent going to be the only one to be that guy although reading it cant be mad about people hoping for same sex ship pushing for it like mad that can be skeptical but also people do want to be able to relate to the story and find things of themselves in a mainstream story. Also agree that Kaachan and Deku working with how there entire relationship has been since children yeaaaaaaaa no that no it would need major MAJOR shifting to make any of that work
You better shake the table Truth Hero! Everything you said was very true, especially with the lack of forgiveness these days in the real world. Without forgiveness, we continue to succumb to the cycle of hate and perpetuating hate.
Yes, Endeavor was wrong, but he should be allowed to RIGHT those wrong or at least attempt to. Honestly, this just goes to show that Endeavor is just the hero ppl “hate to love” and “love to hate” no matter what he does.
I do personally believe in forgiveness so I do not have a problem with Endeavor gaining redemption if she shows that he truly sorry for what he did. On another note what I always find interesting about redemption arcs is in who eyes is the person trying to find redemption. For example is Endeavor looking to find a redemption in his family's eyes or in the eyes of society or this case the fanbase. Keep up the great work.
Right, which party is he trying to make amends with
I will never forgot or forgive Endeavor for what he did to his family but I do clearly see how he truly doing his best to change into a better person and will continue to see where his new path will lead him. Thank you Truth Hero for seeing and understanding what Kohei Horikoshi real story of My Hero is about. After all we all need to remember Humans aren't Perfect and that's what makes us Human.
*When Shoto loves the man who abused him more than most of the fandom*
Seriously. Stop this.
people can hate endeavor if they want, they can hate what he did, but character growth is a thing they should consider.
For sure
I'm so confused why some people say that Endeavor can't redeemed/change. People can change, a perfect example of this would be Bakugo. Bakugo is arguably the most changed person in MHA. When people are saying that Endeavor can't change/be redeemed are the same people that say Bakugo is the same person that told Deku to kill himself.
It's honestly the simplest narrative in MHA, people can have a change of heart
Well Bakugo is a kid and Endeavor is not lol it's still possible to change but people will always see him as a abusive person regardless
Dude, Bakugou hasn't changed that much, he is still inside of his ego bubble and the only thing he has done thus far is open his eyes to the possibility that he might not be the only top tier candidate for number 1 hero, that's not a redemption. He still needs to change himself as a person and who knows? Maybe Endeavor will be the guy who's going to have a proper conversation with him.
@@El_Leviatan I would argue he has change. His character arc is becoming a better person and thus a better hero. In the beginning of the story he's egotistical and narcissistic person who believe he's the best and how he changes is through the loses he faces. To being up what you said that Bakugo hasn't expect for the fact that he no longer see himself as the best which is a lesson he learned in 1x08 ( Season 1 episode 8) but he has grown more from that. We see him as someone can respect a person's strength as seen in Bakugo vs Uraraka which is a trait that he didn't have in the beginning of the series. Another is the Deku and Bakugo vs All Might where he learns it's ok accept help from other and teamwork. You seen him display this when he was taking classes for his professional license and the spring festival. The last one that I'll bring up is after the Deku vs Bakugo part 2 where through his talk with All Might saying that a hero isn't only just a person who always wins (Bakugo's Ideals) or only saves people (Deku's Ideals) but someone you can do both, you see this come to fruition in the Joint Training Arc where Bakugo saves Jirio. Bakugo has change a lot more than someone who no longer see himself as the best.
El Leviatan What do you mean change himself as a person? Like laught along the class when Kaminari does sonething done.
Character Development doesn’t need him to condone a personality change.
He said some of the deepest shit in ther series and with the most sense , like what he said to the kid in the lil kindergarten arc with Todoroki , Inasa , and Camie and shit like “ Just because we spend time together doesn’t make us friends “ On top of other things like saving Jirou.
He’d never come close to doing stuff like this at the beggining. The same thing kinda goes for Endeavor. I love that “ Psyche “ phrase at the start of this arc. Him and Bakugo are most likely going to chat on how they work as heroes but Hopefully they both stay as the Cocky Hardassess they were in the begging. Hell even some characters in the story prefers Endeavor as “ the guy who doesn’t care about ppls impression of him “
I’m always confused af when people hate on an anime character for doing bad stuff. What makes anime so good is that authors can psychoanalyze the factors that lead people to do bad things and people can actually like those characters because guess what, they’re not real. For example, if you like a character like Obito or Madara from Naruto, that doesn’t mean that you support mass murder because at the end of the day they’re fictional characters and should be treated as such.
Im pround of Endeavor he is one the path of change he really is trying to be the greatest man
You make great points here honestly. No one wants to forgive the hero but are ok with villains being villians. Ironically, hero society itself is most likely the main antagonist. How quirks are viewed and who can use them are part of the problem. Imagine if Toga was mentored by the blood hero or if people found out what endeavor did to his family. It's all about perspective and circumstances. Everyone is good day or bad day from being a hero or villain
I can't say I will ever like Enji
But I do feel he can get a redemption arc, if he tries harder and stops being a bish
And I don't think his sons will ever fully forgive him at least soon
but if he does get forgiven I feel the press should know and he should no longer be a hero (idc how but i feel he should not be a hero anymore)
Yeah, he admits it to the public, that would be a good step
This video hit different. You were speaking the truth man. Great video
In the end i wanna see Endeavor, shouto, their mom, brothers and sister, all together as a family, truly happy and moving forward together.
Truth hero: If you don't like Endeavor, you can leave.
Shouto, Natsuo and Touya: 'aight I'ma head out...
I didn’t like endeavor until I liked him
I freaking love Endeavor’s character. He’s such a grey character and I loveeee it
"You make us ashamed of being ourselves."
-BnHA fans to BnHA fans.
My Hero Academia: War of the Fandoms
The handling of his redemption arc is treading water gently. It's not happening at the snap of a finger and it's awkward and uncomfortable.
That's how it should be, it's not easy to down cause it's intentionally not palatable. If there was a quick turn around and acceptance or a couple of missteps on the way of his journey then I would consider this mishandled.
I disliked Endeavor but I like the way his redemption arc is being handled.
I also feel like we are getting setup for his redemption fulfilled right before his death, but that's just me.
When truth hero makes a video just to rant on the fan base about endeavor you know it’s serious
Or that he is feeling triggered that maybe other people don't share his like of something and made him feel uncomfortable by pointing out issues.
I REALLY hated Endeavor at the beginning of the MHA series, but I respect him for trying to change for the better and trying to redeem himself...which will take a REALLY Long time or never to accomplish
Totally agree man. And kind of what you touched on in this video, people's attitude toward Endeavor speaks to a much larger problem. Anymore, people seem to hate the very concept of forgiveness. And while some might not like me bringing religion into this, as a Christian the anti-forgiveness mentality really disturbs me.
Yeah, you don't have to be religious to forgive or to believe people can change, you just have to not have total hate in your heart
@@TruthHero I agree with that, too. Just pointing out that the very core of my personal beliefs all ultimately goes back to forgiveness. But as you said, even if you're not religious forgiveness is still so important. We all make mistakes, to varying degrees. If someone truly realizes how wrong they were, they deserve the chance to be a better person in the present with respect and dignity.
Even if the main villains reflect on their mistakes and turn out for the better, there's absolutely no way they will be accepted back into society after the events that ensued. But on the other hand, bashing this arc just because Endeavor's in it is absolutely silly.
Yass love you dude. This is about time someone reality checked this fan base.
Even if i don't like a character it's not like i will just say "UGH i hate him" and drop the manga/anime whatever, i can still keep following the story and see where does it go, and i certantly don't attack others fans for liking them, after all many villains are the most liked and memorable characters of many fandoms, and i'm speaking as someone who isn't sold on endeavor redemption, since to me there wasn't a chance of catharsis for anyone involved, a bit like with bakugou and midoriya reletionship, but i still love the my hero academia and want to see where it will end up, plus that kind of mentality is toxic.
"He left me roses, that means he's good now" yeah, right. That's how the corpses end up piling. Great message for the kids Horikoshi.
How about this: does his family deserve to move on? Can't he redeem himself somewhere where he can't keep hurting them?
How does this redemption even work? All he did is realize no one cares for him because he's an asshole, it's not like he's turning himself in for the crimes he commited.
Even I have dealt with a dad that neglected and abused me and my brothers, but I do want him to change. The fact he is changing is good. That's why I accept Endeavour's changes. I love this change.
I honestly have no idea where things will be taken, so I'll give it my best guess. Rei will probably reconnect with Enji, slowly forgiving him. She's happy he understands the mistakes he's made and helps him try to be better. Shoto will be upset hearing that Rei has forgiven Endeavor, as will his siblings. rei will ask them to try and forgive him as well. They all agree because they love their mother, and Shoto has the hardest time, while his sister has the easiest. Assume the confrontation you talked about between Enji and Dabi will happen, we learn the back story to confirm it all, and then like you said; Shoto steps in to save his father once he gets overpowered by Dabi. That'll be Shoto's first big step, and things will slowly improve between the two. Shoto will hold a grudge for as long as he can, but it's hard to hold a grudge for a long time. There's a good chance someone would talk to Shoto and tell him thatholding the grudge is just making things harder on himself. (Something my bf has to remind me more often than I'd like to admit) Shoto, realizing they're right will take more steps to become a better son and forgive his father. Once Enji is forgiven by Shoto, there will still be a sense of emotional distance, shown by the fact Shoto continue's to call his dad 'father'. We'll know when that distance has closed when we get Shoto refering to Endeavor as 'dad'. (He hasn't done that, right? I can't remember if Shoto has actually stuck with 'father' this whole time or if he's been alternating) Just a guess though.
Personally i thought Natsu would have the hardes time forgiving him lol.
Daniel Arceneaux you bring up a good point, it would allow us to learn more about the guy
As long as Hori doesn't take the easy way out of the whole abuse situation i'm good with the Endeavor redemption arc. I think one of the best resolutions is making Enji incapable of fighting ever again so he can comtemplate on life, realize his mistakes AND FACE the consequences of his acts, maybe go to therapy (one thing he desperately needs) and idk lay low for a while
I'd love some backstory for Endeavor, i really really really really want to know WHY he's like that, why he set up his plan to one-up All Might.
I loved your video, fam, you make some really strong points