Turbo 2.3 Ford Pinto Build Breakdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2022
- Everyone has been asking what's been done to the Turbo Pinto so I figured it was time for a quick explanation. I'm planning on going into more detail on the suspension and engine setup soon for anyone who is interested in the specifics, also feel free to reach out if you have Pinto or Ford Lima 2.3 questions. If I don't have the answer I can probably tell you who does. Planning on hitting some drift events soon with this car, and getting into time trials later on.
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Okay I'm hooked! Need more on the Pinto.
There's a couple videos of it drifting I've posted since this. I need to get around to editing the footage of building the front suspension components
Pbr, mullet, flannel, pinto turbo. Hell. We can hang out. Badass build
Drift pinto is what we need. Thats so amazing.
That’s the trick to having a safe Pinto, make it so fast that no one can rear end it.
They fixed the safety issues years before mine was built, but I probably made it less safe because now it's more likely to hit a tree backwards than forwards...
@@SauceGarage 😂
Ahhh yes, the rolling inspirational spirit of Red Fang.
Continue on!
You've built my dream car! I had a 78 Runabout with a built 2.3 and Mustang II rack and pinion back in the 80's. It was fast and handled great in the canyons of Colorado. I miss that car! Thanks for sharing yours, love to see more of it!
I built it for the mountain roads of New Hampshire, super fun with the upgraded suspension and lack of turbo lag. Will definitely be posting more of it this year
Use to have a 78 Fiesta with a draw through turbo set up on it, adjustable Turbonetics waste gate, 5.0 Mustangs were lunch. Cool build love them old Ford days....
Absolutely stunning! What an awesome build.
Them Duke boys at it again!
Very unique build bro, was really cool to see it last weekend!
Thanks dude, good to meet ya. You were shredding
Sick set up. Definitely want to hear more about the fuse and relay box.
I got the idea from SuperfastMatt but the fuse block he used was out of stock at the time, he has a really good guide on rewiring cars: th-cam.com/video/pSXv8RHa22I/w-d-xo.html
I ended up using a Littelfuse HWB60, which uses GM metripack 280 terminals in a universal case: www.littelfuse.com/products/dc-power-distribution-modules/hard-wired-pdm/hwb60.aspx
Saved me a ton of space over the previous setup, it's super cheap and completely customizable.
Very impressive sir, very impressive!
Super cool!!! Great work!!!!
Love these homespun builds . appreciate working with what ya got !
I had an 87 tbird turbo coupe. Bought it in 1999 for 180 bucks from a rich kid getting ready to tow it to a junker. Glad I stopped to offer the boost he needed.
He told me his dad had bought him a new Lexus for graduating law school.
After.i paid for it he told me the turbo had quit a year or two earlier. It was gutless and barely running. I limped it over to my brothers place . He is a mechanic. He popped the hood and held up a loose vacume tube . Plugged it into the intercooler if memory serves. Said give it a try.
The old bird wound out like crazy. All my freinds with thier fart-can equipped integras laughed until they tried to drag race me. I even beat a 68 el Camino once.
Such a fun car . So glad that kid did well in law school.. 😉 😜
Cool car. Thanks for going over the details. PBR FTW!
People are always asking me questions so figured I'd put all the details in one spot instead of repeating them haha
Very cool. Had a Pinto- 1971- new. Ran great for 200k. Great car then and now . Nice build
Pretty Cool little build!! Lots of time invested, that's for sure. I am also into the 2.3T Lima stuff, Good Job! #BuiltByBo
I love your Zephyr man. Wish I could've gotten my hands on this black 2 door notch with a red interior that was at my old job back in the day. Would've made a cool drift car
Really nice car, i wish we had those in Europe.
This would be a weapon with IRS.
It handles pretty well with the leaf springs but I've always wanted to do an IRS conversion, mainly so I can get the car lower. Might do that someday after I get a couple other project cars on the road
What a cool car. I would love to build one
Love it. Bad ass and love tha you used a lot of widely available and inexpensive parts.
Gotta get creative when you don't have much to spend
I have a 71 pinto under construction I like your set up Good pointers
Are you on the PCCA page? The 71-73s have quite a few challenges including different suspension that's hard to get parts for. Can update it to some of the 74+ stuff though
Hell yes a turbo Ford pinto😮😊!!
Well done Man! 🙌
I used to watch Buddy Ingersoll run in the 1970s when I was a teenager. Fast car...................
I love it
Good job dude
I'm just amazed at you ingenuity. I have a small car I plan on just hodge podging as well. Seems overwhelming because I'm just starting but your build is inspiring and gives me hope. Thanks.
It is overwhelming. It took me like 3 years to put it together in the first place and then I've slowly redone everything again as I learned from mistakes I made. It's a great way to learn a LOT - just budget for a lot more time and money than you would expect at first. And don't half-ass things cause they'll come back to bite you.
I spent about as much money on the car as the one year I went to college, and learned way more from building the car.
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ohh i had one ford mercury BOBCAT car in 1975...
i miss my favor bobcat car so much...
i did put anythings in bobcat car better than lousy plain ford company...
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1- cruise control speed
1- two amber yellow taillights from capri car
1- power both lock / unlock on 2 doors
1-power both side mirrors
1- power both windows
1- rear motor blade wiper with water on the rear window from honda car
1- move axle to top on the both lift springs
1- metal cool fan front near on the radiator
1- two plastic shields covers on the both glass headlights
1- radio AM / FM with cassette tape from radio shack
1- two speakers on the both doors
clutch manual shift 4 speeds
easily fix repair at home
Absolutely Feckin Awesome
❤😂😢😮😅😊😊😊😊 that’s one bad ass panel. I sure miss mine. Mine was 72 with the 302 and I missed the damn thing so much. It was fire engine yellow member. The firetrucks like that a while back. It looks like that it was nice and fast like yours keep up the good work in the videos.
Nice job! I have a 79 that was getting an 88 TC 2.3T, but now decided to go with a 70 cougar 351C. Im getting it back on the road now after 14 years sitting in the tree row. Keeping the stock 2.3 going while I rebuild the V8. A feller needs to save on the MPGs for awhile...
351 is gonna be a tough fit compared to a 302. I was stoked to see my stock 2.3 finally run again in my buddy's 79 like 8 years after I yanked it out. My 2.3 turbo is averaging 15mpg on premium which is rough with these prices
@@SauceGarage Yeah exhaust will be trouble. I plan on a TKX trans with mustang II size flywheel and quicktime bellhousing. They were squeezed in back in the day, so not impossible.
@@firepinto seems most people with V8s bigger than a 302 aim the headers forward and run the exhaust down and back
Good luck with that Cleveland. I had a hard time getting a Windsor in.
Pinto ? No that's a stallion 👍
Really nice car
Awesome 2.3 for Life.
Buddy Buddy Buddy!!!!!
Very nice dude! My buddy had a couple pintos, non turbo though.. Miss those cars! On a related note, I too have an '85 XR4Ti engine, but swapped into an '89 Ranger. Got a few things to address, but hoping to get her going again this year and make more reliable. 😎 The TFI delete sounds like a good place to start. Lol
Stinger Performance sells the PiMP (plug-in MicroSquirt) ECU and the TFI to cam sensor conversion kit. I DIYd everything both because I'm broke and extremely picky about wiring, but ended up buying the trigger wheel from them because the guy who made the kit pointed out in a FB group that the trigger wheel I designed was too heavy and was going to damage the distributor shaft. There's also the other route of adapting a crank trigger wheel and mounting a sensor there. Whichever route you go, reliability and serviceability will massively increase. Ron Francis sells nice wiring harnesses for the 2.3T if yours is falling apart.
I had a few 90s Rangers and don't care to ever own one again personally, but I've been in a turbo swapped Ranger before and it was a bunch of fun.
Holy shit. Bad ass
Nimble little minx ain't she? Well done on all the mods. Most seem out of necessity, but still seem logical. A paint job would just be wrong.
Impressive
Badass!!!
Broo sick ,I've been wanting to do this for years, just never found a pinto locally lol
They don't pop up often, I rarely ever see another one. Rust got most of them decades ago here in New England
Nice slides
Killer up date..have some ideas for my Bronco ll..now?!
Amazing build . So good it should have been a factory option .
Thanks man. They did have some rare Pangra 2.0 carb turbo converted ones in the early years with the Superbird looking front end. My motor is a factory turbo Ford 2.3, just a few years newer than the carb 2.3 that came in this thing
I had almost the exact same car 20 years ago. It had a complete turbo chicken motor and trans swap. The rear end was a 9" that came out of a electric golf cart. Required full offset rims.....
It's a fun setup ain't it? I remember seeing a turbo swapped wagon online a couple months after I got the car when I was 18. Couldn't get the idea out of my head, and then 35k miles later when the stock drivetrain was giving up I heard my coworker's brother was parting out a Merkur.
Very cool. I'd like to see it in person. I'm in MA
If I get my header back from the machine shop in time I'll bring it to the Drift the East event at Star Speedway on the 15th
Skavenger sticker 👌
Cool!! Awesome built. You got some talent. I was hoping to see a pro charger under there. Pinto is an awesome platform. Something about the wheelbase gives it an advantage on the track.
These motors seem to like turbos a lot more than superchargers. I've seen people complain about snapping the crank snout
A pro charger is the way to go. Back in the day superchargers would only give you 6 to 9. These major improvements in boost without the heat are fantastic. It is very hard to damage the lower end on the 2.3 engines.
@@murphystreeter The turbo is pretty effective and I don't plan on changing the setup. Currently set to 14psi, eventually I'll upgrade the cam and crank the boost to 20psi to see how much power it can make
Wov!!! very good car! I have a pinto 205 on seven westfield in Italy, I ask if does exist a kit complete to convert in turbo injection or carb, but something ready with all parts Thanks
I don't think there's any complete kit. What motor do you have? I swapped from a carbureted 2.3 to a mid 80s Ford 2.3 that was already fuel injected and turbo from the factory.
@@SauceGarage I have 205 motor from 88 year, with 4 bike carburator 150 cv thanks
Ford made a turbo setup for the 2.3 four . It was stock for the SVO mustang.
This is that exact motor but with modified manifolds (to fit in the much smaller engine bay) and a different turbo - completely stock internals though. Mine came out of a Merkur but it's identical to the motor in the SVO and Turbo Coupe.
Looks like the kinda guy would drive a primer gray turbo pinto.
Awesome car ! What turbo are you running ? I have a 74 wagon I'm building an engine for trying to figure out what turbo and camshaft to run.
After this video my old turbo failed and now I'm running the Big R Motorsports Stage I T3 upgrade. It's really cheap for a decent turbo because he takes the imported Chinese turbos and rebuilds them with quality bearings and seals. He also has some nice street cams on his site. Highly recommend switching from the slider cam to a roller cam. I'll be buying one from him in the next year.
Awesome build!. I am curious though why you chose the 8.8 axle over the 8" used in the V6 Pinto and V6/V8 Mustang II, which is a direct bolt in. I have one in my autocross 1974 Pinto with 4.62 gears and posi. Removable carrier a big plus.
Availability. I'm in the northeast, it's very hard to find Pinto parts in junkyards as most of them got crushed decades ago. Would've saved a lot of weight going with an 8" but I couldn't get my hands on one. Meanwhile every junkyard has a ton of 8.8s.
@@SauceGarage Very true about the boneyards. When so few of an older model are still on the road, the less demand for used parts, and the crushing begins. Swap meets mostly have popular parts, but fortunately we have sources like Ebay to secure hard to find items, although won't be cheap. As you have shown, adapting more modern parts to an older car can be rewarding and more cost effective, too. Something done for many decades, basically hot rodding.
@@johnmcmullen456 It's getting insane for formerly cheap throwaway cars that are regaining popularity. I tracked down a Celica Supra 7.5" rear end (very similar design to the Ford 8") for my AE86, and put it together for a total of like $600. Now when you can find that axle they're going for over $1500 + shipping and selling immediately...
Cool
What is your opinion about duratec swapping one of these.
I kinda wish I did, it's a lot lighter and easier to make power with. Thinking about 2.5 Duratec swapping my 86
Dooope
Is the pimp ecu worth it? I have a 81 mustang with a 88 tburd engine running with the factory 8ua/lb3 computer, i also am wondering how that distributor replacement/ upgrade is holding up aince id like to go edis or something along those lines since the smp distributor pick ups fail left and right and Motorcraft ones dont exist anymore.
If you don't wanna go through the hassle of DIY and want a plug and play ECU - it is. It's a re-packaged MegaSquirt ECU that plugs into the stock harness with a base tune loaded on it and you get some extra support with your purchase. I wanted to rewire my car from scratch anyways as I had a hacked up Merkur harness and I'm OCD so I wanted to wire it myself and went with a generic MS2 DIY kit. I basically ripped off their distributor to cam sensor conversion with a heat resistant phenolic cap instead of the billet aluminum they used, and a different sensor. Ended up buying a trigger wheel from them because one of the guys saw a post I made on a MegaSquirt page and pointed out my trigger wheel design was too heavy and would end up breaking the distributor. Felt a little embarrassed that they basically saw me stealing their design but I was doing a one-off for my own car when I was broke and also used it as a learning opportunity - I definitely will not be making copies for sale haha.
EDIS ain't a bad idea either. I ended up using a VW waste-spark coil pack from a 2.0 Golf. I initially put my MS2 in with the stock TFI ignition system and distributor, and it shat out on my first run at my first track day with it.
Whether you go PiMP or a DIY harness for a generic MegaSquirt tuning the car is the same - so make sure you have a dyno tuner who's familiar with TunerStudio.
A 1jz would be badass in this car
I measured before I got this motor, and anything JZ ain't fitting without moving the firewall
Well done young man, 👏 👍 yee haa.
How did you do the 5 lug conversion
The Explorer rear axle was already 5 lug with 11" disc brakes. The front is a generic Mustang II big brake kit. Speedway Motors and most other hot rod shops sell them. It used Granada 11" rotors which use the same wheel bearings, fabricated brackets that are sold in the kit or separate, and GM G-Body Metric calipers. There's half a dozen companies that sell it as a bolt on kit, and then you can get replacement pads and rotors from any auto parts store later on.
@@SauceGarage thank you.
stock exhaust?
This car never came with a turbo so I had to build my own exhaust from scratch (and from scrap). 3" downpipe with the external wastegate plumbed into it, to a 2.5" with a Magnaflow resonator and a turbo muffler. Also moved the turbo forwards with a custom log header because the stock Ford turbo manifold puts it too close to the firewall.
Sorry to hear it is computerized. I have a 1972 Pinto woodgrain wagon with a non turbo CARBURETED 289/4 speed from a 1967 Falcon. It originally came with the 2.0L SOHC/4 speed. It still has it's original optional 13" Appliance 5 slotted aluminum wheels. The engine is older than the car, and there are no computers anywhere.
Sorry to hear? Carburetors are nightmares with turbos. I also drove the car for 35k miles with the stock motor and a carb I rebuilt myself so at least I can say I experienced it in its original form...and I'd never go back. I'm a fan of modernizing the driveline while keeping the appearance era correct. There's plenty of guys on here playing with carbs still if that's your thing
Noice! How’s the NH winters for that thing
It doesn't ever see winter. These were notorious for rotting out so I keep it away from salt. Drove it once back when it was stock in 1/2" of fresh snow with brand new all season tires and it was all over the road. It was pretty bad even compared to my 2WD Rangers
@@SauceGarage yea i feel that lol good thing it didn't see the October snowstorm of 2008
@@eliasbennett9741 it was still sitting in a semi trailer out behind a junkyard back then. I bought it and got it back on the road with the stock motor summer 2011, the week after I graduated HS
Nice did you do all this yourself.
Everything besides the aluminum welding and dyno tuning as I don't have the skills or equipment for either. Car was mostly built in my little 1 bay garage and I towed it to go use a lift for a few things
Awesome things you can do with a "pinto "
It's at least got an identical block, crank, and rods to what came in the car stock and the suspension mounting points haven't been altered...so I guess it technically still is? 95% of the mechanical parts are from other cars or speed shops though
What cam ?
Stock for now. Hopefully next year I'll buy a cam and turn the boost up from 14 to 18 or 20psi then see what it can actually make for power.
i have a 1972 I have qustions where do i email ?
Nothing I did to mine applies to a 72 as everything about the chassis is slightly different on the 74-80 cars. None of the suspension, brakes, motor mounts, etc interchange with the 71-73 cars and I have no experience with the early ones. I suggest joining the Pinto Car Club of America either on Facebook or on their forum at FordPinto.com
No 8-Track?
No radio at all currently. The 8-track I found turned out to be junk sadly. Just been doing the shitbox move of throwing a Bluetooth speaker on the dashboard
I wish I had one of tho....... Shiz. I do have one :) Mine's a 75 hatch with a 78 nose and 2.3 turbo out of a Merkur XR4Ti. Mine has ported head Volvo intercooler Boport 1.5 cam 3" exhaust. All converted to 5 lug with 11" disks on the front and a (now) posi 8" rear out of a V-6 Pinto. Also has a T-5 from Ford Racing and 3.50 rear gears. Has a PIMP computer. It fried some wires a few years ago and I'm getting ready to get her back on the road. Your car reminded me how fun they are :)
th-cam.com/video/oTFJPe_B4SI/w-d-xo.html Here she is with her old hood.
They're fun ain't they? I really missed driving mine while it was off the road for a few years. Rewired it fresh last year and chased down all the bugs and it's finally reliable. I've got a newer video up of drifting it at an event a month ago
Dude, is that timing belt exposed?
Only the cam pulley is exposed now, but I ran it without a timing cover for years and never had an issue. It's non-interference so it wouldn't be the end of the world. I tried to cut a circle out of the top of the cover so I could get to the pulley bolts while leaving the belt covered but the plastic cracked
@@SauceGarage Well, at least one could inspect his belt regularly
@@budsodalsky it's been fine for 7 years so I'm not worried
@@SauceGarage Agreed sauce! Not looking to argue - I think its cool - OK?
@@budsodalsky I'm not trying to argue either just saying it's never been an issue despite how it could be a big problem for friends of mine. Would be afraid to leave the belt exposed on an interference motor for sure though - that could be a death sentence on a Honda or VW. Worst case for me is I need a tow home and to re-time the motor...whereas for them that could mean bent valves and holes in the pistons
Save the Horse...❤️🤍💙🇺🇲
I remember in hot rod magazine a guy had a 2.3 l turbo pinto running 10s. It was probably 20-25 years ago, I thought this was that car...
Nope, this had a stock 2.3 when I pulled it out of a junkyard just over a decade ago. Also doubt I'm making enough power to run 10s. It's set up for cornering, not drag
@@SauceGarage once I watched I knew it was totally different. My first car was a 78 mustang with the 2.3l, that car was so slow. A whopping 88 HP in a car well over 3000 pounds
@@stephenkowalski2448 Was the Mustang II really that heavy? This car is basically the same underneath and was 2400 stock. I remember how slow my stock 2.3 was. Apparently it was even slower than it should've been because my buddy who ended up with it discovered the cam was badly worn. Probably because I put 35k miles on it without adding zinc to the oil, I didn't know better back then...
@@SauceGarage it was slow, but I had high miles at like 160k+ and an auto. I blew it up, it broke piston rings. I wanted to experiment and use the car in the winter. I rebuilt the motor 0.030 over and changed the auto for a original 4 speed SR4. It went much better. But not a fast car. It would burn out as the transmission was first 3 gears super low (1st was like 4.2 to 1) then 4th was normal 1:1, the intent was to run a tall rear gear so a half a$s like overdrive equivalent. I believe car weighed 3100 pounds. I ran the auto rear 3.18,. You were supposed to run a 2.79. At least the low geared manual could get the car going off the line. I was about to pull my friends 74 nova that had a 350 in the lower gears .... Ok so maybe not super slow after a few mild mods. I always thought a 2.3l turbo in a mustang II would be fun
@@SauceGarage yes, the cAms wear, even before the zinc was taken out. The car had a worn cam at 90kmiles. Mustang II weighed about 3100 pounds, that a lot heavier than 2400
someone has to swap a ford ecoboost turbo i4 from a ford explorer into a mustang ii or pinto stat
The Ecoboost is a problem for swaps because Ford stopped selling the swap harness/ECU kit and it's a huge challenge to control a direct injection motor with an aftermarket ECU. The way to go is the n/a Duratec 2.5 out of the Fusion with a turbo slapped on it. Same engine family but uses more traditional injectors and is larger displacement, plus it bolts straight to a Miata trans. Chip Renai Givens on the TurboFord FB page is building one. I seem to recall they were past 380hp on the dyno with a turbo slapped on an untouched junkyard motor...
I got some questions I got a 79 bobcat if your active shoot a message over maybe you can help me
For sure. If you have instagram my personal account is @trashchester, that's the easiest way to get ahold of me. If not I can give you my email
Anyone who drinks PBR is okay in my book :-)
Line them fenders up plz
They have to come off again so I can fix a couple spots and sandblast/paint the inside. Once I do that I'll get them lined up properly
That heavy key chain is gonna ruin your ignition
Ignition switch still works just as well as when I got the car 11 years ago. Same with the Corolla I've daily driven for 8 years and the El Camino I've had for 6. If i'm at the track I just run a bare key though. Had my old Volvo shut off mid-drift because of a combo of the full keychain and the angle that ignition switch was mounted at though. Happened twice before I figured out what was going on hahaha
I want to pick on you and call you a hipster, but you just went too far with the brilliance on this build and make me eat my words.
I Thought you were cool with that Pinto until i saw you kick back that Pabst Blue Ribbon. Lost all credibility
it's an old shoddy economy car I pulled out of the junkyard, what did you expect me to be drinking?
@@SauceGarage u got me there! You win 🏆
@@SauceGarage put 289 in there and go from shoddy to much respect on the street
@@GODZILLASixxSevn how about I slap a cam in the 4 and crank the boost up instead? I'll save the V8 for when I eventually build a drag version of it out of another shell. Kinda want to do a mini Mad Max replica with the blower actually being functional
I would like to know more about your ignition system
Distributor to cam sensor conversion, I was broke and made my own cap and wanted to use a different sensor with a plug on it - but this is basically it: www.stinger-performance.com/store/cas-cam-angle-sensor-conversion-tfi
I tried to make my own entirely and the guy who builds this kit told me my trigger wheel was too heavy and was going to cause the distributor fail and was nice enough to sell me one of his wheels after I completely knocked off his kit. I was only making my own and not planning to sell any but I still felt a little like an asshole when he saw what I did hahaha
and then I'm using a Bosch waste spark coil pack from a 2.0 VW: Bosch 032905106F