Miter saw blade on the table saw- DANGEROUS????
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- Some say it's dangerous to use a negative hook blade on a table saw. Here's everything you need to know about them...
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Very nice explanation. I will keep this in mind next time I use my saw.
In the past few days I've had several kickbacks and/or binding with my Makita track saw while cutting plywood. I ended up placing a 16p nail in the end already cut that had closed up, but I'm surprised that plywood is behaving like this. It should be dimensionally stable, but it isn't. I noticed that this 3/4" plywood was manufactured in Chile, but I don't know if that's relevant. Any thoughts on this, or on how to prevent kickback with a track saw?
You sure dont F around when you decide to settle an argument. 👍
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Mr Nubs is VERY Impressive. I'm 50 and I've been doing some things wrong for 30 years. I learned some stuff today.
Well explained in layman's terms
After spending 40 years making and repairing saw blades that's the best explanation I've heard about hook angles on saw blades
Thank you
78 years old and have been using all 3 types of saws for over 50 years , have just learned something important about blades. Always used the blade which worked best on whichever saw. The most important thing is always let the tool do the work without forcing the wood. Great video.
The TROLLS should have learned by know that James does his homework before sharing the information. But some people like to complain to make themselves look smart but it does just the opposite. James KEEP BEING YOU my friend.
Interesting and informative. I had no idea that this was a thing. The more I learn the more I realise how much I don't know.
Dunning-Kruger effect always fascinated me. When I get cocky about my abilities, it usually springs to mind and levels me out again.
NDT also explained it something like this on StarTalk: knowledge is like a circle. If the area is how much you know, the perimeter is how much you realize you don't know.
You can't increase the size of one without increasing the size of the other.
Your really well-produced and well-researched videos are much appreciated. Old dogs ... new tricks.
Awww, darn it! There you went and done did it again! Taught us about our craft, without making use of that dinosaur book - the thesaurus. You have a great skill in communicating. Thanks, James
This video is why I keep coming back, I’m a 40 year carpenter and this taught me something. Thanks
Another day of great education from James. While some things have changed over the last two or three years, your commitment to our education has not waned. We’re grateful!
At this stage
I push the like bottom before I listen to your videos
I know for sure you’re going to cover the topic perfectly 🙏👏
Your calm, well-cadenced, clear delivery is a pleasure to listen to. It's a relief from hyper excited you tube presenters. I bought the three blades you recommended, using the code. This basically gave me free shipping.
After watching so many useless project videos, this channel is a breath of fresh air. Thank you for another informative video and especially the links to other table saw videos. Apparently, I have been setting my table saw blade too low.
Didn’t realize there was positive and negative blades. Thanks. Learned something important today.
James,
I would never bet against anything you say. The level of your knowledge makes me realize how little I know.
Great info. I always maintained that I want the bottom of the gullet even with the top of the wood so that the dust clear more easily. Never really thought about how that impacted my cut. Appreciate you taking the time to explain in such detail as always. I will definitely change my improper method going forward.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop I was with Troy on this one. It sounds so obvious when you say it like that though.....
I spent a lot of years building everything from Dog houses to mansions, none of this will prepare you to do fine woodworking. my skills are fine but my knowledge of saw blades is sorely lacking, That was the best explanation I have heard yet, thanks for the info. Time to add a few more saw blades to my collection.
Excellent info (as always) to set the record straight. When I see that you've posted a new video I always watch it because I know I'll always get something good from it. Even if I think I know the topic I always come away with some new piece of info that I didn't really know. Keep up the great videos James and think you again.
Thanks for taking the time to explain the 'why' of your recommendation, rather than simply making a recommendation. Understanding why helps (most of) us remember the how.
This video is amazing, I've been looking for this exact answer for weeks now, with only finding forums with no clear answer. Thanks, Stumpy Nubs
I always assumed miter and table saw blades could be used interchangeably, just because... well, Home Depot doesn't distinguish between the two. I'm glad to know the details now, and I even understand better how to use my circular saw as a result.
Thank you for this information! Well presented with no fuss. Exactly what I love about this channel.
Hey James, thanks for taking the time and effort to produce this great instructions on the use of negative hook vs. positive hook blades for table and miter saws.
More in-depth, great information in easy to understand presentation. Hopefully, that clears things up for whoever had the issues. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
WOW! Your videos continue to blow me away with the valuable information you provide, explained in a very sensible, easily explained manner.
Absolutely must see video. So expertly explained and left me with no further questions on the matter. Well done!
Wow, talk about thorough! James would have been a truly frightening public prosecutor. Fortunately for all of us, he’s into woodworking.
Thanks!
Another great video. You support your point of view with facts and reinforce the importance of the facts for your viewers. Another confusion I have had for years has been resolved!
James, thank you for a very clear explanation, on something I didn't even know I had a question about.
Thanks, also, for the quick tutoring on blade height, something I have had wrong for years.
Excellent video. Even after 50 years of making sawdust, there is still much to learn. Thanks!
James, this is great information and your research-backed method of presenting it bolsters what you're saying. Thank you for your effort.
No doubt.
One of the best explanations out there.
Hats off to you!!!
Wow, I love your approach to any perceived problem!!
I enjoy the thorough discussions of this sort of issue. It would be awesome to see you discuss more of the engineering and mechanics of woodworking, including such as stock dimensions, joint selection etc.
Very informative, an excellent explanation. Your channel never ceases to peak my interest and often teaches me something new :)
I’ve been woodworking for years and had a basic understanding of blades, I thought. Thanks for the comprehensive info. This is the kind of advice that will make any one a better craftsman.
Hi James. I learn something of value every time I visit your channel. This was excellent start to finish. Thanks always for sharing and stay safe!
Once again you adressed a subject based on physics, experience and common sense AND explained it in an understandable and clear way. Thank you.
Thank you, James. I already had that perception (perhaps "Engineer intuition") but I never went deeper to ellaborate it. Very good job!
Wow,I just started watching your vids about a month or so ago, ... I truly enjoy listening to your commentary about the reasons, & purpose of various types of shop tooling, especially when you tell us in no bull squat terminology about the how, why, & when to use specifically designed tooling for the best production usage out of each, & every facet of tool life, ... this argument, like many others, is based on reality, not necessarily on “perceived” ideas of how a tool, such as this example of the negative, versus positive angle of the saw tooth, impacting a workpiece, ... tossing the preconceived notion that this type of saw blade is better, or worse for a safety aspect of cutting wood, ...
Changing any angle of attack, on a workpiece should (always), ... be done with the aspect of safety in mind, but seems ridiculous of whether or not gravity, by nature of its content, would affect the purpose of the safety viewpoint aspect, ... the attack of a blade, either in a position, of being fed through a saw, is definitively displayed in the picture showing the 4 teeth actually confronting the wood, ... is, in the picture, attacking the intended cut, from the left, not from above, or from below, which is directly perpendicular from the stated reasoning of attempting to lift, or push down, upon the workpiece, ...
A very good tutorial, ... so thanks for the information of how to cease any argument over “perceived” notions, of safety protocols, ...
I really like way you clearly and concisely explain how most other people are wrong about a topic. I have learned alot from watching your videos. Keep up the good work and don't let the negative Nancy's bring you down.
Hamilton for President!
Fantastic job at presenting the information without name calling. Researched and concisely delivered.
Now, grab yourself a cold one, cause you’ve earned it my friend!👍🇺🇸
Your videos are the most professional, original and useful. Thanks to your knowledge, now we use tablesaws and mitter ssaw in a better and safer way, thanks so much Stumpy Nubs !! ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
This was VERY informative. And much needed in my case. I wanna use some choice words in reference to myself, but will refrain. I've been a carpenter for a couple decades and an aspiring woodworker for a couple years and had no clue about this. Clearly, I need to learn some basics. Thanks for this video!
Thank you for an excellent discussion on the height of the blade and its effect on the cut quality!
Thanks for the tutorial on saw blades. I always had a fear of tablesaws since witnessing a devastating accident in shop class many years ago. So consequently all my cutting was done with a skill saw or by hand. By watching videos of all sorts I'm getting over the butt pucker of a table saw starting up. Now I have a good idea of setting up the blade. Thank you again.
Well 74 and learned something new again thanks 👍
Another super useful video. I really appreciate the recommendation regarding tooth exposure above the workpiece on the table saw.
Thank you James for your concise deep dives into subjects!
You always do such a great job illustrating (great pics and diagrams) and breaking down things and I am one of the people who've really dove into woodworking and truly love it but started from the bottom tool wise and just construction knowledge and tks a lot to STUMPY I've gained a lot of amazing knowledge and intro into much better tooling! I truly thank you for what n how ya do brother
Great information, thanks for sharing with us and being concerned with safety. 👍👍 Keep up the good work and videos!!
This is what the internet is made for. Great stuff, as always.
Great information here James, as always and something I had never considered before. Thanks for enlightening us.
Thank you, stump. Best explanation I have seen on tooth rake and blade height.
Thank you for a very straightforward explanation of this topic.
Learn something every time I watch one of your videos. I have always been cautious about using a blade that is labeled for miter saw on my table saw or vice-versa. Now I know why it is a good idea. But, with this lesson I know when it is safe to make an exception.
Thank you for the information. I learned so much today for your video please keep them coming. I have a radial arm saw, a chopsaw and a table saw-in my shop. The only blade that I enter change is the 7 1/2 inch Circular saw blade that I use on the table-saw. This is because it has 1/8 Kurt.
Appreciate all the information and most importantly the reasoning behind it.
Very informative! Learn something new every day.
I never knew there was so much into blade design. I've got three different blades for my table saw and it always amazes me the difference in sound when I install the 24t rip blade.
Another great video James and a great learning opportunity. I had always thought to only just clear the piece of wood I was cutting.. New behaviour learned! Trusting you and yur family are all still well. Regards, Mark (South Africa)
Very concise & useful data! Always take an objective view of what you're about to do.
Your 1st cut should tell you if you're on the right track & adjust from there.
Nobody wants to fight a workpiece that's being lifted off of the table!(exceptions noted).
I love how people with “no skin in the game” and no engineering degree usually are the ones most willing to offer their opinion on how things work. I used to have a friend who felt a circular saw blade should always be up as high as possible. I can’t remember his logic on this, but it had something to do with band saws, hand saws, and other types of blades. I haven’t seen him in several years . It’s been even longer since a saw all five fingers on his right hand. He still has the strongest part of him, his opinions.
Dunning-Kruger effect.
Karl L. Masoner one of the benefits of connecting with hobbyists is also a danger: all the advice. I recently heard Marc Spagnolo talk about when he was researching and asking around about steam bending, and was shocked by not only all the bad info people gave, but also how people who knew well who he was talk to him like he was a total novice to Woodworking. Some people just get very full of themselves and think their opinion, often without experience, is gospel.
Yep. Sometimes I think it’s because they have anonymity on the web, so they feel they can say anything. Then I listen to my family members and I think, “maybe not.” Some people are blessed with universal “knowledge” and have a calling to vomit their “knowledge” on anyone who can’t escape.
@@flumpyhumpy I never heard of this effect, so I had to look it up just now. After reading about it, it seems to me this is something I have observed before, but I never knew there was a name for it. Anyway, thanks for causing me to learn something new today!
Great video! There are a lot of myths like this in woodworking. The router has so many of them
Great video James. Best info I've seen you do. You're always entertaining. I like your longer vids. Most are too short and don't go far enough. Thx.
29 out of our last 50 videos were longer than 5 minutes. Many were much longer.
Thanks for the great video James. I always learn something or get reminded of something important.
Glad to have found your site. So much goofy info out there! As soon as a presenter starts spouting ‘facts’ I know are bogus, I move on. After 40+ years I am still learning, and all you have said in this video that I already know is 100%. And, you taught me some new stuff that I can trust. Thank you!
Hi James, I just wanted to thank you for ALL your amazing videos. I started woodworking very recently and you have helped me learn a lot, the way you explain things shows how big of an expert you are, I'm really happy I found this channel, even if I wasn't into woodworking, I'd still watch your videos, they're that good. Thanks again
hi fernando, as a retired furniture maker i can attest that the information stumpy provides is sound. as a newbie be very careful about the "experts" in youtube. there are some very good content providers and an awful lot who will steer you wrong. see also paul sellers as his content is also excellent.
@@TaylerMade Thanks! I'll look him up right now
Thanks for the very good points and advice. I hope this video is used to quiet some of those ignorant arguments online.
I saw a radial-arm saw for sale the other day, fitted with a very aggressive low tooth count blade. It wouldn't just be terrifying, but super dangerous. The owner used to cut thick rubber mats with it. Crazy dangerous.
Thank for your well-considered commentary on this science.
I use a Non-Ferrous metal blade on my table saw quite regularly for cutting aluminum. It has a -7• hook angle. This blade also works very well on plastics like acrylic, Polly carbonate, plexiglass etc with virtually no chip out.
A number of years ago, at a woodworking show, I decided to treat myself to a good table saw blade and bought a Ridge Carbide for about 100 bucks. They are awesome - cut smooth and stay sharp a long time. I still kick myself for all the years I was using el cheapo crap blades.
Excellent information as always!
Thank you for so mutch helpful information. God bless you
I know this is a little older video but, my 12" Diablo blade shows a miter saw and sliding miter saw on the package. If you look the same blade up on their website it plainly says for table saw also. Thanks for another great and very informative video and setting people straight.
Good, well reasoned answer. Thanks.
Great explanation and visuals.
Great information Stumpy it all makes good sense.
Thank you. This was very informative.
Great info and presentation, as usual. Thanks for sharing.
A negative rake blade is a must when cutting aluminum too.
The last time I was at the lumber yard having some boards cut to fit my van
I noticed his radial arm saw was negative rake. No climbing was noticed.
Why is a negative angle more appropriate for aluminum?
@@MintStiles Cuts it with much less chatter and produces a smoother cut, you don’t want a blade grabbing a piece of aluminum. I’ve installed countless aluminum railings and posts in exterior applications, negative tooth angle and a slow feed rate is a must.
@@huejanus5505 thanks, that's nice to know. I just use a high tooth count blade normally with a fairly mild blade geometry. I've never thought about negative rake, which to be honest, scares me a bit to use. Any Brand recommendations?
Big Yes, Beautifully explained!
Also factor in the big improvement in cut quality with a high tooth count negative rake blade.
The finish is almost always glue ready, very few minor ridges, almost no tear out, and a flat top cut (with hltcg blades only) so those few seconds through a cut are well worth it in my opinion.
I leave the 120 teeth negative rake triple chip ground (alu) blade on my saw all the time. It's slower than other blades, but faster than the time it takes to change between blades.
80% of my work is hard plywood or shitty melamine, so the few times I cut real lumber I just let it take its time.
Awesome video/information! Thanks!
Thank you. Great info I had not heard anywhere else.
A lot of useful info! Thx.
Very interesting. Great video, James. Cheers, Paul
This explanation was valuable and now I have a good understanding of different blades. I have one blade for my table saw--the one it came with. Don't know how many teeth or if it is negative or positive on the angle. I'm going to check and educate myself on my own equipment.
Great one, James. Thank-you.
Well, let's see, should I listen to some random commenter for advice, or a man who has been time tested and proven as a master Craftsman? Hmmm....let me think on that for about half a nano second....DUH! Im gonna listen to the Master Craftsman and not some random commenter that either had a bad experience or listened to someone who had a bad experience. And likely had that bad experience because they did something that was NOT recommended in the first place. Love all your videos. You literally saved my life with the ones about that one tool and so many other tips you have given that have helped me to learn more about the craft. Not only in how to do things but WHY things are the way they are.
Only scenario I could see this being an "issue" is if you are doing multiple things wrong, ie your blade height is too low and you're using one of those push sticks that only applies downward force at the back of the workpiece.
As always a really informative video.
Great discussion. I looked and, indeed, my Freud table saw blades with more than 48 teeth are negative hook.
I learned a lot from this- thank you!
Good info! Some things I did not know. I do now! Thanks James.
I honestly didn't know they made 10" miter saws, all that I have ever used were 12". So along with learning about hook angle, I learned something new about a saw. Thanks for that great explanation.
they make 8" too. I've been looking at buy 'A Mitre Saw' and stumbled with the size options.
My slider is a 10". In my shop, the available width of cut was more important than the available depth of cut. Cost savings on the 10" made it a no brainer.
Thank you for yet another great explanation.
One might argue that a sliding mitre saw actually strike the wood upwards from the bottom, slightly lifting the board (or whatever you are cutting).
That's why I usually clamp whatever I am cutting.
If you pull forward, then lower the blade into the wood and cut by pushing backward (as CSMS are intended to be used) then you will, theoretically get a lifting motion, especially with an aggressive positive hook. That's another reason to use a negative hook blade on a CSMS.
Awesome information thank you
Great information. Thanks
This video I learned a whole lot about blades. I always thought that a blade was a blade. I now know more by a whole factor of 10. Thank you. I will now be even safer at my burgeoning wood hobby.
I'm sure you must have something on rip blades (not cross cut). Can't wait till I find it. Subscribed!
I have a Felder saw that takes apx 12" blade. I have their aluminum cutting blade, which is 72 teeth and 5 degree negative hook, designed for and sold explicitly for these saws. It's for exactly the reasons you state here, for helping to help manage the speed of the cut and maximize blade life (less chance of chipping teeth).
I still have a kickback scar from my old saw from around 15 years back. Bad position on my part and a crappy old thin splitter (not a riving knife)that didn't really do the job and wouldn't align correctly to the right side of the blade in any case. It glanced off me enough to hurt like mad, and then went into a cabinet. I kept it around for a while as a reminder. A couple inches further over and I probably wouldn't have my two lovely children. :)