I understand that you have never done real tests! It is very, very easy to fake numbers on monitoring. And no one has ever seen the fact that you have real iron in the test (( You are ridiculous
Ryzen 7 1800x can still handle Cyberpunk over 60 fps and Simulator at 59 fps those two games are cpu bound so it's still a beast.But man that 5800x3D is a pure animal.
Yeah older Ryzen 1000 and 2000 can still have a purpose in a 4k / 60-120fps sort of role. Like a Media PC playing on the 4k TV. So GPU bound usually that faster 3000/5000 series won't help that much.
@@thegreatresetofthehumanrac664 same with amd or intel fan boys , every time amd or intel beat the other with the next generation they start screaming told you amd/ intel is the best , like no shiit thats called competition , always trying to get better then the other
My 8700k with 4200 cl 16 ram gets me about 130 fps + in Cyberpunk with 3070 Ti 2160 mhz so I think it's still kicking pretty good like for that old cpu.
Yep, that's what I have been running for 5 years and it's still fine. I am looking to build a new box, just waiting for things to settle down a bit and get some benchmarks on the 7900 XTX
I'm glad that AMD exists if it wasn't for AMD we would be paying an incredible amount of money for low end CPUs, I'm hoping that Intel can pull out a great fight on the GPU market so that we can pay less.
Oui et le 1800X est souvent " seulement " utilisé maximum dans les 50% +/- ( les jeux n'utilisent que bien 8 threads, pas plus ! ) ... donc encore du potentiel pour tenir quelques années 7700K/7600K c'est des cas totalement différent ... ils sont utilisés jusqu'à 100% ... et n'ont plus aucun potentiel
Back in the early 2000's. You would get double performance every two years. Those days are long gone though. People complained if there wasn't at least an 80% performance gain every two years. Transistors are getting harder and harder to shrink and we're not seeing the same performance uplifts as before from increasing the Transistor density.
@@ejkk9513 Which is a good thing honestly. I don't want to have to build a pc every 2 years to play the latest title. Anymore you buy something top of the line it will last you 5+ years I'm still rocking 1800x/1080ti and just looking at these videos because I plan on going 5800x3d and 4700x. It will be a massive improvement and probably last me another 5 years at 1440p. That and I get to keep my same mobo / ram / water cooler /case setup. Which is OP
Ryzen really pulled us out of the CPU duldrems. Were it not for it's competitiveness we'd still be looking at 5-15% improvements per generation and 8 cores 16 threads max on the high end
I went from the Ryzen 1700X with R9 290X to 2700X with RX 580 (and then Crossfire x2 RX 580s) to 3900X with Vega64 to 5950X with RX 6900XT (and SAM support!) ** All on the same Motherboard, Crosshair VI Hero x370 **
It seems like the 5800X3D is twice as fast as the 1800X in half the games and about 60% faster in the other half. The X3D is twice as fast in Cyberpunk, Hitman 3, CS: GO, Flight Simulator, and Project Cars and about 60% faster in Minecraft, Forza Horizon 5, Red Dead 2, and PUBG.
And you guys know what really crazy thing here is the TDP !!! Oh my gosh ! The 5800X3D bring to us A FREAKING HUGE JUMP PERFORMANCE but just draw more 15W ! WOW ! Just a big WOW ! Nicely done AMD !!!
Its crazy to see a cpu make such a big difference. 1800x at the time seemed like a good buy but now its basically useless. Definitely think im gonna hold out for the 8800x3d and build new.
2x = 100% And you will not even get 100% or even close in real life, because most people who play at 1080p don't have RTX 3090, and most people who have RTX 3090 don't play at 1080p
@@yancgc5098 I think most games are GPU limited anyway, also intel 6th to 11th gen, the situation was way worse, and AMD was getting almost bankrupt so they couldn't compete. I think also that due to GPU limitations, it wouldn't matter too much if CPUs improved very quickly.
@@WaffleCake The 3D vcache part is very expensive to package considering its bleeding edge stuff not to mention its uses precious silicon area that's around half the size of those chiplets so they could sell you another 6/8 core cpu if they divert the silicon for making 3D Vcache into cpu chiplets instead Also its doesnt make sense financially to package a technically a defective chiplet (6 out of 8 cores activated in this chiplet in this case) with a 3D Vcache it's like putting turbo and a supercharger on a 4 cylinder engine(not the well made ones) when you can mod a v6 or v8 instead Reminder that the core chiplets made by AMD are shared between Ryzen and Epyc so does not make sense for AMD financially when they can sell those chiplets with 3D Vcache to the big corporations / research facilities / data centers where there is massive profits to be had instead of us the consumers where there's less profit for them instead Also same logic can be used on why 5900X3D won't exist too
Jeeeebus Criminal!! I remember when the original 1600 came out, I picked that one up and was amazed how it killed my old Intel C2D 2500k. It was revolutionary! But this is just amazingly sweet, and still on the same pinout process, crazy! Can't really do the same with Intel but I do wonder how the 7900 compares to the 12900. EDIT: I5-2500K 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, the difference is huge, however, even poor old 1st gen Ryzen can still get you over 60 fps in every game, even in some CPU heave one's like Cyberpunk. Nice!
I have Ryzen 2700X and with crowds at high, it drops below 60 in heavily populated areas. And that is without RT. If I enable RT, framerate goes into 40s everywhere (CPU bottleneck). Ryzen 1 and 2 fucking suck and I am thinking about the upgrade to 3D when Cyberpunk expansion comes out. Or maybe I will replace the board as well and get Ryzen 4 or Intel.
@@8Paul7 RT is notorious for dropping frames even on Ampere hardware. What GPU are you using? I would not say 1st gen or Ryzen 1st gen+ "f*cking suck" based on 1 badly optimized and horribly released game, no matter how many patches it has had. I have 1st gen Ryzen, and on all my games I can get 60fps, and that is on a rather slow GPU in this day and age.
You shouldn't use version 1.13 for Minecraft, because yes it might be the least optimized version but its almost 4 years old and it barely uses the CPU so its not the most demanding, the 1.18.2 version however is the most intensive, it can put a 6 core 12 thread CPU to its knees when flying fast, also its the latest version as of right now, so its the one that should be tested + its the most played version
@Katinggangseng Minecraft doesn't work like that its not like any other game, its just a world that he created for the test so he doesn't need it for anything else, he creates one every benchmark, changing versions is straight forward from the launcher he can select the any version and launch the game then create a world and do the test, that's it
Even the 5600X is more than 10% faster on average in multithreading than the old top-model 1800X, even with 2 cores less...not to mention the huge single core - boost which power is truly needed in the daily standardusage of the average customer or in gaming
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty I went from a 2700x@ 4.3 to a 5600x @ 4.75. That jump was worth it for pure gaming. Now I have a 5800x3d, but use my 1920x thread ripper for non gaming work loads.
The RTX 3090 is too strong a GPU even for the 5800X3D, though pushing the frequency up another 200 MHz on motherboards that support OC’ing the processor might be enough to get GPU bound performance. The story is going to be much the same with Lovelace and RDNA 3 on the high end and, at least with the 5800X3D a 4060 or RX 7600 (which should be about on par with the 3070 Ti and 6800 XT, a little better than a 3070 or 2080 Ti) would be enough to effectively utilize the processor without a CPU bottleneck. We’ll have to wait and see what 13th gen Intel and Ryzen 7000 bring to the table to keep up with the new GPUs.
@@manuelmunguia616 Exactly, lower resolution puts more stress on CPU and higher higher resolution puts more stress on GPU. I don't know why anyone would even consider running a high end system at 1080p, waste of money.
На самом деле этот тест был бы интересен с 3060-3070ти, это если говорить о фуллхд и квадхд (той же 3060ти в фуллхд, хватит просто для всего). С 3080-3090ти интересно 4к. Владельцам зен и зен2 это было бы интересно. А так и ежу было понятно что мы просто уткнёмся в производительность на ядро у 1800х.
амудешники (и некоторые зеонщики) первого поколения зена, кичатся кукурузными ядрами, мол ядер много - потанцевал есть. Пусть посмотрят сколько осталось потанцевала))
@@Evgeny_Checker вырвано насчет амд из контекста-патанцевал появился когда игры перешли в 13-15 годах на многопоток, поэтому такое утверждение имеет право быть в некоторых сценариях
@@Kefa_1981 я не о фикусах, а зен\зен+. котрые вышли в 17 году и которые уже не могут в фепес. И количество ядер, ни как поспособствуют этому. ибо медленная подсистема с большими задержками.
My 8700k with 4200 cl 16 ram gets me about 130 fps + in Cyberpunk with 3070 Ti 2160 mhz so I think it's still kicking pretty good like for that old cpu.
Actually surprised how low the cpu usage on the 1800x is, even compared to the 5800x3d which seems to get higher utilization. The 1800x seems to be "idle" a lot, granted not all games can utilize all cores properly but both are 8 core 16 thread cpu´s and the newer one has a higher cpu utilization? Like at 0:52 45% for the 1800x and 72% for the 5800x3d
looks dramatic but for 4K 60Hz with target framerate 60fps every old cpu will be good enough ... for 4K 120Hz with target framerate 120fps its another story ...
Why the 1800X does not load more to prepare more frames for the video card and give a better result, it does not rest on 100% (20-55% only), I don’t understand ...
Not sure but i'm guessing because the load on each thread aren't equal, on the slower 1800x games have a higher chance of running a situation where it needs to wait for the calculation on one thread to complete before other threads can do their work, resulting higher average idle time over all.
games use up to 4 cores usually, mostly using 1 core, thats why if u check every core one by one while playing game u would see only 1-4 cores on 100% cpu usage and rest on 0%, doesnt matter if u have 8 or 16 cores, games are games bruh
Hey guys! Can someone explain to me why the RTX 3090 with the R7 1800X isn’t at 100% usage where you think it’s getting bottlnecked, but the 1800x itself isn’t even at 100% usage? Or is it still bottlencking the 3090 even without being on 100% usage. I don’t really understand how that works.
Not all CPU-cores are working in many games If u have 8+ cores CPU. That's the reason, why many games still scaling well with Single-Coreperformance. So GPU can't give 100% workload cuz CPU bottleneck. In 4k rtx3090ti will work with 98-100%. In 4k is the GPU more Important than CPU
Architecture changes, new manufacturing processes and more transistors packed in the same package. In this case also a lot more shared cache for each core and also just a single 8 core complex chiplet instead of two 4 core complex chiplets which added extra latency while gaming.
Im still rocking 1700 x with rx6600 , i guess my fps could jump by more than 50% if i upgrade to 5600 cpu , its cheap but not sure it will work with my motherboard its acer prebuilt system .
Для игр оптимально брать 4 ядерный 8 поточный, каждая копеечка пойдёт в дело, 6 ядерный 12 поточный избыточный для игр и очень важно брать последнего поколения потому, что у них мощность на одно ядро выше, а играм - это очень важно
Pensar los que recomendaron el 7700k como el mexicano de pollo al poco tiempo en el mismo año no podía usarse el 8700k tendría que comprarse plataforma nueva,, mientras el que compro el 1800x o modelos menores al pasar de tiempo sin gastar mucho podía actualizarse a un 5800x3d.
The 1800x is running at 3700mhz And the x3d is at 4450mhz The 1800x is 105 watt chip For whatever reason the 1800x is gimped and the 1800x is NOT even being used at stock At stock it hits over 4ghz so something is definitely wrong here
BASED ON THE SPEED I BELIEVE ITS A 1700 WHY ...THE 1700 SPECS ON PAPER ...SPEEDS 3.0GHZ BASE 3.7GHZ ALL CORE BOOST AT 65WATTS THATS WHAT BEING COMPARED HERE
Imagine buying RTX 3090 and playing at 1080p For someone who don't care about extremely high fps (I'm fine with 60fps with few drops below 60fps), 5800X3D is useless and it will not make any difference for me If 5800X3D get 60fps and another CPU get 40fps then a difference that I might care about
Games :
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 0:06
Minecraft - 1:14
Hitman 3 - 2:18
Forza Horizon 5 - 3:12
CS GO - 4:38
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 5:41
PUBG - 6:41
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 7:44
System:
Windows 10 - bit.ly/3ow6mtW
Ryzen 7 5800X3D - bit.ly/3MhCji9
ASUS ROG X570 Crosshair VIII Hero - bit.ly/3pe4vbc
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3
CPU Cooler - NZXT Kraken Z Series Z73 - bit.ly/3uTuZCp
32Gb RAM DDR4 3200MHz/3800Mhz - bit.ly/35vyWko
GeForce RTX 3090 24GB - bit.ly/3kNDiZM
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR RM850i 850W - bit.ly/3i2VoGI
Great benchmark! Can you make another test with the same cpus, but in 4K?
PLS MAKE A VIDEO ON RX 6900XT AND I7 12TH GEN OR I9 GEN PLS
I understand that you have never done real tests! It is very, very easy to fake numbers on monitoring. And no one has ever seen the fact that you have real iron in the test (( You are ridiculous
pubg 1660 ti + 5800x3d plis
Can't believe it's been 5 years, I still remember being excited about getting my first gaming pc with a ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1060
i wont even get to touch a gpu:( other than just one low profile gpu r5 330m worser than intel hd graphics:{
@@Birdman._. GPUs are ez to find though
@@Birdman._. 330M? Ain't that a mobile gpu
@@שלמה-נ1ח mobile gpus are laptop gpu..
@@dereknelson9089 give me one
Great comparison!!
The strongest from 1st gen Ryzen Vs the strongest from the last gen of AM4 socket!!
Great to see the evolution!!
Ryzen 7 1800x can still handle Cyberpunk over 60 fps and Simulator at 59 fps those two games are cpu bound so it's still a beast.But man that 5800x3D is a pure animal.
Yeah older Ryzen 1000 and 2000 can still have a purpose in a 4k / 60-120fps sort of role. Like a Media PC playing on the 4k TV. So GPU bound usually that faster 3000/5000 series won't help that much.
Dont ua think its the gpu
I am looking into building editing rig and work rig. I am looking at getting Ryzen 2-3000 because of the low price of the chips and alot of cores.
It's amazing to see how ryzen has evolved over the years.
Yeah no shit Sherlock
This is how Moore’s Law works. I dont know why everyone is so astonished that processors get better over time as transistors get smaller
@@thegreatresetofthehumanrac664 same with amd or intel fan boys , every time amd or intel beat the other with the next generation they start screaming told you amd/ intel is the best , like no shiit thats called competition , always trying to get better then the other
My 8700k with 4200 cl 16 ram gets me about 130 fps + in Cyberpunk with 3070 Ti 2160 mhz so I think it's still kicking pretty good like for that old cpu.
@@club4ghz bro your ram is only 2133mhz have you enabled xmp profile there is no way you pair 2133mhz ram with i7 8700k
I guess who bought R7 1800X and paired it with a GTX 1080ti is still enjoying decent settings and FPS at this point.
Same here, I've just ordered it but will be keeping the 1080ti for now :)
Yep, that's what I have been running for 5 years and it's still fine. I am looking to build a new box, just waiting for things to settle down a bit and get some benchmarks on the 7900 XTX
Built mine in 2017. I’ll get a few more years out of mine I think. Unless my gpu AIO pump goes out or dries up like my cpu AIO did.
I'm glad that AMD exists if it wasn't for AMD we would be paying an incredible amount of money for low end CPUs, I'm hoping that Intel can pull out a great fight on the GPU market so that we can pay less.
What the f... man intel is doing way better than amd right now amd has over priced buget cpu
@@ninjaride1312 private actions to the market. He's right, capitalism
@@ninjaride1312 because amd was competitive that's why, btw zen 3 is 30 months old, alderlake is 6 months old
Sadly, it looks like Intel GPUs are not that good. Hopefully it's just driver issues and we'll get a 3060 equivalent from Intel at a decent price
@@AgentSmith911 I hope so.
AM4 socket is the real MVP, 2x performance in CPU gaming perf. on the same socket!!?
a monster socket.
Intel never made it...
Hope AMD gonna release 7000 series X3D soon, just said V-cache are insane
Im hope Intel will learn that too
From what I've read they will release regular Ryzen 7000 first, and the 3D-Vcache models will follow later. But better we keep our fingers crossed :D
Leaks shows that 13th gen is gonna have tons of cache as well
sadly 7000 series is just compatiable with ddr5 ram and thats sad:(
3D-V Cache is NOT good! The cache dies are extremely sensitive to high power, limiting your cpu's performance by keeping the power tight!
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Correct but for games it wont matter anyway.
Even in 2022, you can use a first gen Ryzen 5+ processor and get smooth 60fps gameplay in any game.
This isn't true for 7700k and especially 7600k.
Oui et le 1800X est souvent " seulement " utilisé maximum dans les 50% +/- ( les jeux n'utilisent que bien 8 threads, pas plus ! ) ... donc encore du potentiel pour tenir quelques années
7700K/7600K c'est des cas totalement différent ... ils sont utilisés jusqu'à 100% ... et n'ont plus aucun potentiel
Wow, 5 years and double performance, so impressive
Back in the early 2000's. You would get double performance every two years. Those days are long gone though. People complained if there wasn't at least an 80% performance gain every two years. Transistors are getting harder and harder to shrink and we're not seeing the same performance uplifts as before from increasing the Transistor density.
@@ejkk9513 Which is a good thing honestly. I don't want to have to build a pc every 2 years to play the latest title. Anymore you buy something top of the line it will last you 5+ years
I'm still rocking 1800x/1080ti and just looking at these videos because I plan on going 5800x3d and 4700x. It will be a massive improvement and probably last me another 5 years at 1440p. That and I get to keep my same mobo / ram / water cooler /case setup. Which is OP
Cant wait for 10years different
Ryzen really pulled us out of the CPU duldrems. Were it not for it's competitiveness we'd still be looking at 5-15% improvements per generation and 8 cores 16 threads max on the high end
i was so happy with my R7 1700 paired with RX Vega64. switched to R7 5800x and it was night and day for all tasks.
I went from the Ryzen 1700X with R9 290X to 2700X with RX 580 (and then Crossfire x2 RX 580s) to 3900X with Vega64 to 5950X with RX 6900XT (and SAM support!)
** All on the same Motherboard, Crosshair VI Hero x370 **
I went from a 1600 to a 3600 and that made a good difference
the 3600 held up so strong these last few years! I went from an fx6300 to a 3600x and was mind blown how much the 6300 was holding me back
@@Bdot888 i went from fx 6300 to ryzen 5 5600x andd its soo good
@@Tu_Na1312 hell yeah, the fx 6300 will always have a place in my heart, but ryzen really had such a great upgrade path with am4
It seems like the 5800X3D is twice as fast as the 1800X in half the games and about 60% faster in the other half. The X3D is twice as fast in Cyberpunk, Hitman 3, CS: GO, Flight Simulator, and Project Cars and about 60% faster in Minecraft, Forza Horizon 5, Red Dead 2, and PUBG.
And you guys know what really crazy thing here is the TDP !!! Oh my gosh ! The 5800X3D bring to us A FREAKING HUGE JUMP PERFORMANCE but just draw more 15W !
WOW ! Just a big WOW ! Nicely done AMD !!!
i guess ryzen 7 1800X is way too much inefficient
It isn't a surprise. One is manufactured on 14 nm node and the other on 7 nm node. It isn't a WOW effect if you know these informations.
It is 105 watts in tdp at stock settings. At fixed 3700 Mhz it draw abaut 75-80 watts so may look forward the displayed power consuption.
Holy crap, I knew the difference would be big but not quite that big!
Its crazy to see a cpu make such a big difference. 1800x at the time seemed like a good buy but now its basically useless. Definitely think im gonna hold out for the 8800x3d and build new.
That Read Dead Redemption 2 thing makes way more sense with the IPC differences and clockspeed.
Just built a buddy a rig with my old parts as he’s down on his luck. Glad to see he’s gonna be good.
It's pretty much 2x which is nuts, sometimes less sometimes more.
200% increase in performance in 5 years is INSANE! GG AMD
Insane? Double the performance every 5 years should be the minimum, that isn’t impressive.
100% dude
2x = 100%
And you will not even get 100% or even close in real life, because most people who play at 1080p don't have RTX 3090, and most people who have RTX 3090 don't play at 1080p
@@killermoon635 yes . You right . But with same situation we decide
@@yancgc5098 I think most games are GPU limited anyway, also intel 6th to 11th gen, the situation was way worse, and AMD was getting almost bankrupt so they couldn't compete. I think also that due to GPU limitations, it wouldn't matter too much if CPUs improved very quickly.
I'm still holding out for a R5 5600X3D but this is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for including Minecraft!
They won’t make one unfortunately
@@robi6659 How do you know??
@@WaffleCake The 3D vcache part is very expensive to package considering its bleeding edge stuff not to mention its uses precious silicon area that's around half the size of those chiplets so they could sell you another 6/8 core cpu if they divert the silicon for making 3D Vcache into cpu chiplets instead
Also its doesnt make sense financially to package a technically a defective chiplet (6 out of 8 cores activated in this chiplet in this case) with a 3D Vcache it's like putting turbo and a supercharger on a 4 cylinder engine(not the well made ones) when you can mod a v6 or v8 instead
Reminder that the core chiplets made by AMD are shared between Ryzen and Epyc so does not make sense for AMD financially when they can sell those chiplets with 3D Vcache to the big corporations / research facilities / data centers where there is massive profits to be had instead of us the consumers where there's less profit for them instead
Also same logic can be used on why 5900X3D won't exist too
maybe wait a bit and catch the 5800xd on sale eventually. The regular 5800x can be had for 310$ right now
@@marvcyber815 Missing one detail, imperfect chips.
All this from the same socket
I just ordered a R7 5800X3D and man im excited, never realized how important it was I have a 1800X
Jeeeebus Criminal!! I remember when the original 1600 came out, I picked that one up and was amazed how it killed my old Intel C2D 2500k. It was revolutionary! But this is just amazingly sweet, and still on the same pinout process, crazy! Can't really do the same with Intel but I do wonder how the 7900 compares to the 12900.
EDIT: I5-2500K 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Core Duo 2500K WTF!?
@@dejnio580 Sorry, lmao, my I5- 2500k hahahaaaa
thats not a comparsion , that's slaughtering of the poor 1800x
This is really cool to see this evolution
同8c16tでここまでの差が出てくるんだから進化ってすごい。
Well, the difference is huge, however, even poor old 1st gen Ryzen can still get you over 60 fps in every game, even in some CPU heave one's like Cyberpunk. Nice!
I have Ryzen 2700X and with crowds at high, it drops below 60 in heavily populated areas. And that is without RT. If I enable RT, framerate goes into 40s everywhere (CPU bottleneck). Ryzen 1 and 2 fucking suck and I am thinking about the upgrade to 3D when Cyberpunk expansion comes out. Or maybe I will replace the board as well and get Ryzen 4 or Intel.
its cuz of gpu
@@8Paul7 Set crowds to medium then.
@@8Paul7 RT is notorious for dropping frames even on Ampere hardware. What GPU are you using? I would not say 1st gen or Ryzen 1st gen+ "f*cking suck" based on 1 badly optimized and horribly released game, no matter how many patches it has had.
I have 1st gen Ryzen, and on all my games I can get 60fps, and that is on a rather slow GPU in this day and age.
@@davidandrew6855 ill say it for you, 1st gen ryzens suck and 2nd gen are just useable for up to a 2070 or 3060
Ryzen 1800X still producing playable frame rates 60+fps
Not with raytracing in open world games it doesn't
@@8Paul7 raytracing performance is based on GPU not CPU
Yea but its helped with a 3090 (which you will not likely pair with this cpu) and this 1080 and even the fucking i7 4770k can do that
Wow I can't wait to see what will be possible when it's time to upgrade my 7950x3d
me watching this on 60hz monitor :
they're the same videos
You shouldn't use version 1.13 for Minecraft, because yes it might be the least optimized version but its almost 4 years old and it barely uses the CPU so its not the most demanding, the 1.18.2 version however is the most intensive, it can put a 6 core 12 thread CPU to its knees when flying fast, also its the latest version as of right now, so its the one that should be tested + its the most played version
@Katinggangseng Minecraft doesn't work like that its not like any other game, its just a world that he created for the test so he doesn't need it for anything else, he creates one every benchmark, changing versions is straight forward from the launcher he can select the any version and launch the game then create a world and do the test, that's it
1.8.9 is the most played
Im just waiting for AM5 this Year..clock is ticking !!
It's basically doubles FPS in nearly every game :D
100 FPS GAIN JUST THROUGH CPU, that is called Amd innovation
very nice side by side game play that doesn't use the same recording. Also did you play does racing games with keyboard?
Thanks for this video
Imagine going from FX-8350 to 1800X to 5800 X3D and then maybe to a hypothetical 7800 X3D 😆
I had a friend go from i7 920 he had from 2008 till 2019, R6 1600, and now 5800x3d. All using a $50 used b350 board, $50 16gb 3000.
@@Odin3v That's a good deal 👍🏻
Even the 5600X is more than 10% faster on average in multithreading than the old top-model 1800X, even with 2 cores less...not to mention the huge single core - boost which power is truly needed in the daily standardusage of the average customer or in gaming
the 5600 non x is a even better choice
@@theplayerofus319 Only 3% slower in gaming while 10% cheaper and around 5% less energy usage on average...yeah, why not
Can't wait to get my hands on a 5600X, upgrading from 2700.
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty I went from a 2700x@ 4.3 to a 5600x @ 4.75. That jump was worth it for pure gaming. Now I have a 5800x3d, but use my 1920x thread ripper for non gaming work loads.
@@Odin3v.Update one year later: It's been awesome. Love the 5600X. Top tier CPU and only paid $150. It's so goddamn fast
What's crazy is there are people who will get a new GPU for their 1800x or 2700x and not realize how much it is holding them back.
Почему? Для 60 fps 4k нужны более мощные видеокарты
Why is the RTX 3090's utilization not closer to 90 or 95%+ when paired with the 5800X3D? is there still some bottleneck?
Intensive CPU games
The RTX 3090 is too strong a GPU even for the 5800X3D, though pushing the frequency up another 200 MHz on motherboards that support OC’ing the processor might be enough to get GPU bound performance. The story is going to be much the same with Lovelace and RDNA 3 on the high end and, at least with the 5800X3D a 4060 or RX 7600 (which should be about on par with the 3070 Ti and 6800 XT, a little better than a 3070 or 2080 Ti) would be enough to effectively utilize the processor without a CPU bottleneck.
We’ll have to wait and see what 13th gen Intel and Ryzen 7000 bring to the table to keep up with the new GPUs.
Yes, CPU bottleneck at 1080p
@@manuelmunguia616 Exactly, lower resolution puts more stress on CPU and higher higher resolution puts more stress on GPU. I don't know why anyone would even consider running a high end system at 1080p, waste of money.
Hey guys 👋🏽. I have RTX 2060 with R7 1800x. Would the 3060ti go well with this ?
Pairing the 1800x with a 6600 will be just fine. Crazy time's
A perfect CPU for CounterStrike !
Finally we all get high frame rates...
But do your monitor have enough hz?
@@Sonyoucef Shit, only 240 Hz...I think we need better monitors.
@@simon3461 Nah 240hz is very good for competitive gaming tbh
@@simon3461 who the f plays CS? Garbage game, all competitive games are
На самом деле этот тест был бы интересен с 3060-3070ти, это если говорить о фуллхд и квадхд (той же 3060ти в фуллхд, хватит просто для всего). С 3080-3090ти интересно 4к. Владельцам зен и зен2 это было бы интересно. А так и ежу было понятно что мы просто уткнёмся в производительность на ядро у 1800х.
название видео читали?
амудешники (и некоторые зеонщики) первого поколения зена, кичатся кукурузными ядрами, мол ядер много - потанцевал есть. Пусть посмотрят сколько осталось потанцевала))
@@Evgeny_Checker вырвано насчет амд из контекста-патанцевал появился когда игры перешли в 13-15 годах на многопоток, поэтому такое утверждение имеет право быть в некоторых сценариях
@@Kefa_1981 я не о фикусах, а зен\зен+. котрые вышли в 17 году и которые уже не могут в фепес. И количество ядер, ни как поспособствуют этому. ибо медленная подсистема с большими задержками.
@@Evgeny_Checker ясно, понял
Omg that is really amazing and the best fakt its on the same AM4 chipset 😍 good job AMD.
Stands C.PWR for the Power Consumption of the CPU? And G.PWR for that one of the GPU?
For most gamers (people who game on 60hz screens) the 1800x is still adequate.
I would call it success!
My 8700k with 4200 cl 16 ram gets me about 130 fps + in Cyberpunk with 3070 Ti 2160 mhz so I think it's still kicking pretty good like for that old cpu.
Actually surprised how low the cpu usage on the 1800x is, even compared to the 5800x3d which seems to get higher utilization.
The 1800x seems to be "idle" a lot, granted not all games can utilize all cores properly but both are 8 core 16 thread cpu´s and the newer one has a higher cpu utilization?
Like at 0:52 45% for the 1800x and 72% for the 5800x3d
looks dramatic but for 4K 60Hz with target framerate 60fps every old cpu will be good enough ... for 4K 120Hz with target framerate 120fps its another story ...
Well then you should be looking at gpu benchmarks
I would like to see R7 5800X3D vs i7 12700F
5 years, it shows
Why isn't the 1800x at 100% utilization?
damn a massive difference 0:21
Counterstrike frames looking juicy
Mmm... 5800X3D using 40-80% of his cores 🤔 that's a big usage
Благодаря большому cash, ядра меньше простаивают в ожидании инструкций...
@@aldente6821 Debo entender algo de lo que hayas dicho?
Why the 1800X does not load more to prepare more frames for the video card and give a better result, it does not rest on 100% (20-55% only), I don’t understand ...
Not sure but i'm guessing because the load on each thread aren't equal, on the slower 1800x games have a higher chance of running a situation where it needs to wait for the calculation on one thread to complete before other threads can do their work, resulting higher average idle time over all.
@@SashimiSteak I also assumed, the architecture and throughput inside the stone, however, it's a shame, the performance is simply idle ((
games use up to 4 cores usually, mostly using 1 core, thats why if u check every core one by one while playing game u would see only 1-4 cores on 100% cpu usage and rest on 0%, doesnt matter if u have 8 or 16 cores, games are games bruh
does Minecraft like X3D or do it need just IPC
5 year difference, double the performance
meanwhile for intel
Sees 12th gen
what about 2k resolution??? what difference will be??
1800x cant works mem to 3200, specs max its lower.
how do you do that?
System Memory Specification
Up to 2667MHz
the old cpu cant keep up the new gpu, the gpu has to wait for the cpu, true bottleneck
Takeaway: whatever your CPU is, just get a 3090 to nearly double the performance, guaranteed! :p
I still have a 1800x works good but I think it’s time for a upgrade lol
APU 200GE vs ryzen 5700g pls
How big different
Hey guys! Can someone explain to me why the RTX 3090 with the R7 1800X isn’t at 100% usage where you think it’s getting bottlnecked, but the 1800x itself isn’t even at 100% usage? Or is it still bottlencking the 3090 even without being on 100% usage. I don’t really understand how that works.
Not all CPU-cores are working in many games If u have 8+ cores CPU. That's the reason, why many games still scaling well with Single-Coreperformance.
So GPU can't give 100% workload cuz CPU bottleneck.
In 4k rtx3090ti will work with 98-100%. In 4k is the GPU more Important than CPU
Even 1800x would be a good upgrade for me now.
history games locked at 60, no bottleneck, FPS games all above 144
How do they increase the performances of these hardwares over time? What factor is getting evolved here?
Cache, frequency, RAM, new cores.
Architecture changes, new manufacturing processes and more transistors packed in the same package. In this case also a lot more shared cache for each core and also just a single 8 core complex chiplet instead of two 4 core complex chiplets which added extra latency while gaming.
Im still rocking 1700 x with rx6600 , i guess my fps could jump by more than 50% if i upgrade to 5600 cpu , its cheap but not sure it will work with my motherboard its acer prebuilt system .
Went from kinda bad to of of the top gaming cpus, nice
If it wasn't for amd we'd all still be buying intel quad cores on 14nm+++++++++++++++++ for $350
Для игр оптимально брать 4 ядерный 8 поточный, каждая копеечка пойдёт в дело, 6 ядерный 12 поточный избыточный для игр и очень важно брать последнего поколения потому, что у них мощность на одно ядро выше, а играм - это очень важно
And If you have a B450/X470 MOBO, you can use both CPUs in that. ;)
Pensar los que recomendaron el 7700k como el mexicano de pollo al poco tiempo en el mismo año no podía usarse el 8700k tendría que comprarse plataforma nueva,, mientras el que compro el 1800x o modelos menores al pasar de tiempo sin gastar mucho podía actualizarse a un 5800x3d.
even the 5800x is bottlenecking the 3090, you can see it under GPU usage %.
flight simulator loves cpus for sure
Why didn't you use 3090 Ti?
In 4k no difference?
I like the way how it work as a frame limiter. lol
AMD getting better and better....
double the fps in most titles thats impressive
The 1800x is running at 3700mhz
And the x3d is at 4450mhz
The 1800x is 105 watt chip
For whatever reason the 1800x is gimped and the 1800x is NOT even being used at stock
At stock it hits over 4ghz so something is definitely wrong here
BASED ON THE SPEED I BELIEVE ITS A 1700
WHY ...THE 1700 SPECS ON PAPER ...SPEEDS 3.0GHZ BASE 3.7GHZ ALL CORE BOOST AT 65WATTS
THATS WHAT BEING COMPARED HERE
it still thumps tho really?
1080p doesn't even work on my 4K 21:9 monitor.
The gain it's really amazing!
AMD after few years:
1800x vs 9770x3Dxt
200fps vs 9999fps. u don't even need Graphic Card.
hahahhah
I'm thinking of buying a desktop or building one mabey last console will be my series x next pc
You remind me of myself, my last console was the ps2, after that I went to pc only gaming.
Sam with 1440p and 4k would be very intressting
Would be useless because it would be testing GPU and not CPU.
1800X suffit encore largement pour tout les jeux ... et une RTX 3090 est largement pas nécessaire pour jouer
( j'ai un 3700X )
Interesting result ! But how come the GPU usage on the 1800x is much lower than the 5800X3D ?
Because it cannot push the Video Card to higher frame rates, the GPU is being severely bottlenecked. So the GPU is under used, lower usage and power.
Do it now with 1440p
whould be kinda fair to occ the 7 1800 to max 4.0 maybe off the bat yeah its big dif
Imagine buying RTX 3090 and playing at 1080p
For someone who don't care about extremely high fps (I'm fine with 60fps with few drops below 60fps), 5800X3D is useless and it will not make any difference for me
If 5800X3D get 60fps and another CPU get 40fps then a difference that I might care about
And that difference will happen in future games that are more CPU demanding.
Great differences but 4 generations later. 🤔