Another AE2 tutorial video - An updated guide to large ME Controllers and medium to large sized bases. Minor updates since before and everything in the same video should be more useful than the old ones!
@@dzzenok4136 Not sure what you've done but you might have mixed up cables (use dense cables where required) and check the video on me networks to learn about how to handle the 8 channel limitation, after that you need a controller, and then you need dense cables to handle 32 channels before branching.
I play many different modded Minecraft modpacks, most have AE2. I always come back to TKH's instructional videos because they are the most detailed, and cover pretty much every aspect of AE2. Like he even has a pure AE2 potion brewing setup. Truly genius and I hope he continues with the new AE2 version.
Happy to hear it, thank you :) I try to keep updated with new version as well but the only thing I've covered so far is the new Pattern Provider block. So yes, still doing AE2 videos!
P2P is a great thing when it works. I wish I had done your memory card trick in the chest for easy relinks. I know what I'm going to be doing tonight and that's trying out how you set this all up. Bravo good job!
Did it work out? It's easy to do when it's planned for :) But I know that when you're in the middle of building and expanding you never leave that extra space for a backbone network or a smart P2P system.
@@therealtkh I actually had so much fun messing around with it I started a new level to start from scratch. I now have chests throughout with memory cards storing the info and it's simple now even with the amount of connections.
You probably have the best tutorials for AE2, and I can say 100% it's helped me understand so much more than many written guides have, and it's also super cool to see you still making tutorials for it despite having done it for so long, so thanks a ton. I do have a quick question though. Currently I'm unable to find any documentation on the fluid mechanics that replaced EC2's own fluid mechanics, and I'm wondering if you would be able to cover that in some capacity sometime? (you seem really busy tho, plus you also 100% don't get enough views for this stuff so imo it's amazing you're still doing this)
Thank you :) Hmm, I haven't really touched EC2 in a long time and I didn't know they changed the mechanics. Are there any specific tasks you have problems with that I might help out with? Join up on discord (link on tkh.one/support) and we can talk more about it.
wow! Thank you so much for this, i had tried to implement your me design in PO3 literally last week, and i couldn't get the tunnels to work, this has explained EVERYTHING. your tutorial videos are fantastic :D
I've done a similar one where I led the tunnels back into the main controller, and then used large cabels to connect to those interfaces. It was pretty flexible, as as long as there was cable capacity, I could connect to more tunnels. However it was also more expensive and complex, needing more controllers for the same result. Your design is neatly separated.
I hope I can find time for some normal gameplay, you have no idea of how often I think that I want to do it! I do so many tutorials but have almost no time to actually enjoy the game...
I third this! I don’t really watch many modded Minecraft let’s plays, but these designs are so freaking cool that I’d love to actually see a normal let’s play where you put these to good use. (Totally not because I want to steal all your designs.😏) For real, though, I’d watch every single episode if you made a modded Minecraft let’s play. That’d be amazing. I honestly just recommend that you take a break from making tutorials. Don’t force yourself to do something you don’t want to. Chill and play the game normally while recording, is what I recommend. You could do something like direwolf20 does where his let’s plays are semi-tutorials, as he describes what he’s doing in his let’s plays, if you want to. If you do eventually have the time to play the game normally, I recommend playing a pack like Enigmatica 2 (normal kitchen sink pack with quests), All the Mods 3 - Remix (normal kitchen sink pack without quests but with more mods than Enigmatica 2), Enigmatica 2: Expert (hard progression-based packs with even better quests than the regular version of the pack), or Enigmatica 2: Expert Skyblock (hard progression-based _skyblock_ pack). Really, just play whatever; I’d love to watch regardless of what pack you play.
@@immortalsun Glad to hear that :) I haven't played a modded pack in a while so it's very high up on my list at this point. Doing tutorials is fun in a different way and a good way to fully learn the mods, but it's only useful if the knowledge is put to use in a playing world.. Haven't decided yet, but I'll discuss it further with my Patrons to get more input of what to pick!
Thanks, as it's one of my favorite mods of all time I really love making videos on the mod! Feel free to suggest other topics, or videos that should be covered again!
I know its very late, But thank you so much. i always stayed away from using p2p (it always felt confusing for me) but this video simplified it in a way even i understood. and i have replicated this design in my playthrough and having a absolute blast in properly being able to organise my network. Thanks a lot again :)
I am going to post this same comment on every video in this series just incase you guys still look once in a while. Thank you, your tutorials have been the best bar none. I wont break down the many ways you guys hit the nail on the head, just know that your work was highly appreciated. Get your buts together again and go after Hytale when it releases. If you guys would have stuck with this channel, maybe branched out along the same lines of Survival games, and just kept at it, no doubt your channel would have become very very busy. Thank you again, your work was excellent.
I just started AE2 and i'm very tempted to build this! i plan on doing alot of automation and other things like that and this seems pretty simple yet complex! i saw your first video on this design and tried to replicate it and was so confused by the p2p tunnels and how everything worked in general. but this video cleared everything up and i think i can confidently replicate this on my smp! thanks for the great content
Maybe a little late but you can name your memory cards in an anvil. Once your base and your AE2 system grow to a size where you have to rely on tunnels, it will essentially restructure all of your cabling and you will have dozens of tunnels. If anything breaks or you want to move around your core of controllers, hooking up every last one of the tunnels can be a daunting task and you are likely to forget one. Having a bunch of memory cards with unique names at least tells you how many pairs of tunnels your base used to have.
That's a good point! Another way to do it is to keep a chest (or item frame) next to every P2P tunnel output with the corresponding memory card. That makes it easy to reconnect after maintenance :)
This is what many Minecrafters and Minecraft-TH-camrs do wrong. They connect the P2P Network back to their Main ME-Controller and waste channels instead of using a separate Controller. They can also run only up to 16 P2P Input-Channels and 16 P2P Output Channels. I tried both Versions, and i think the one like in this Video offers higher operation speed of the whole ME-System and you can run up to 32 Input- and Output Channels per P2P Network (Dense Cable required) at the same Time.
That's one good video man! props to you, found your channel yesterday while searching for a good controller design and I just love the quality of your videos, all the calculations in the descriptions n stuff. keep it up :) and BTW, the tutorial really helped out edit: BTW you can middle-click-drag for filling the ME drives with the cells in creative.
It's very complicated when trying to do everything starting from nothing! But taking it in small steps, building the network from less than 8 channels, creating a controller, making network slightly larger, start with simple auto-crafting etc. should take you all the way to expert level! And I have 50 videos to help you get there ;)
Hehe, yeah, it's impossible to remember once the network grows from very small to small-medium :) In most mods you have plenty of material to "waste" on nifty tricks like that, and it could save a lot of time in the end!
Anyone who needs to read this.... double and TRIPLE check that your tunnels have the same ports, and follow his method precisely. I thought my tunnels matched up. They didn't, and no power flowed, and I tilted my brain into a wall trying to figure it out. Measure thrice, cut once.
most helpfull video man. i play a modpack with the offiicial server but my friend doesnt help me at all with ME storage even though they kind of broke it multiple times so i need to fix it but im not good with ME so this helps alot.
Hey, it's an old video but a little trick can help you for save some space for the cable, you can connect the colored covered cable of the main Me controller with some Quartz Fiber if you connect us to the main me controler at the energy entering point. Sorry for my english, i'm a baguette.
Remember that controller that connects cables from Main Controller Is only support if u directly connect some thing like drive to it its gonna be on on support network and not on main one just remeber that
Thanks for the guide TKH! I'm new to the modded scene and I am now nearly at the point where I start delving into AE2 and I have to say all this is new to me. I also have a feeling this is a more advanced guide and I really should start watching previous guides first as some things are unclear to me. I really appreciate your effort, and I will definitely try do my own research. But, if you don't mind, I would like to know a bit more about these channels and perhaps you could explain a few things? 1) why do you use color coded smart cables? If using p2p channels, would it be possible to just use glass cables through your corridors to connect everything? Then pull out a dense cable from the p2p channels inside the rooms again? 2) why do you use separate ME controllers for the 4 different corners of your base? What is the benefit of doing this and what is the result of this on the amount of accessible channels? Is it considered a separate network that it actually needs its own controller?
I've always loved this design. I recently implemented it in my ATM9 game. Did you know you can plug an energy acceptor in any of the rooms and it will power the Large Controller? No need to waste a side on power! I managed to split all 72 sides evenly into 18 sides for each cardinal direction.
I meant to look at them a long time ago..... I have covered Extra cells 2 and Wireless Crafting Terminal, but perhaps there are some additions to look at (as well as the other addons) :)
There is something i can't understand why doesnt the little controllers break when you connect the p2p cables to them and why do you need the smaller controllers for this setup to work
Late but the little controllers are a separate network, that's why they break when you connect them to the power without clear cable because that'll put them on the same network. You use them so you can have 16 P2P hubs coming from them on a single line, without you'd have to run two lines of 8. This set-up gives you access to 16 P2P hubs in each direction, and each of them allows 32 lines / machines. There's 9 sets of 8, he's using 8 sets and leaving the bottom set free for now. If I was you I'd leave the top set free of this was in your basement and have them going directly up.
@@anhedoniac6390 I'm pretty sure you could even have 32 P2P hubs on one line, as long you have two *seperate* lines only connected by the "p2p-net controller" So you go from 4 lines (eight p2p channels divided by two), to 8 times more (32 output p2p channels)
It's hard to get started with if you have no idea of where to start and how to design networks. Should I make a new series that is more of a user guide perhaps....?
Nice video, thanks for sharing. Just a question, why do you need the extra 4 controllers? Can't you just use the dense cable out from each side of the cube with the colored cables connected, since you're using the memory card to link the p2p.
A network without controller can only consist of 8 channels. So they are not _needed_ but you could only manage at most 4 rooms if you want 32 channels to each. I have done videos on this before, check the playlist in vid description.
I have a question. Why do you need the four subnetwork controllers? There are only 16 channels going to the dense cable before the sub network controller so could you just extend that dense cable down your hallways to your rooms?
All of the p2p tunnels need a controller connected to them, which takes up channels from the main controller if you did it that way, as well as making cable place more complicated. The secondary controllers are used essentially as routers for the main one, which makes network design simpler (as well as being the only way to utilise all channels of the primary controller). P.S. Sorry if this isn't very clear, but I hope you understand.
You already got an answer but I want to add one thing: It is possible to skip ME Controllers in the P2P Networks as long as you limit each "thin" cable to 4 inputs and 4 outputs. An ME Network can only have 8 channels without an ME Controller (this is very useful in early networking btw!) which means that the 16 channels (32 in total as the network has to handle the outputs as well) need a controller or the P2P network simply won't work. But for the 16 channels you would have to send 4 thin cables in each direction which would be a mess ;)
Hey their, got it all working till the very last step when I connect the Smart Dense Cable to the side going to the storage units the P2p Tunnel shows online but the Dense Cable shows offline for some reason. I made sure its exactly as you have done, not sure what I am missing. This is approximately 15:00 ish of your video. Any thoughts?
It sounds like the Dense Cable is not connected on the "source side". In my build the P2P tunnel sits directly on the ME Controller so either your controller is not online, or there is something wrong with the tunnels. Remember that they have one input and can have several outputs. It's important how to link them so the input is the one on the controller and output is in the distant room.
@@therealtkh Thanks so much for responding! since your vids go back to 2014 it was a shot in the dark so glad your still checking this stuff! So after some looking at all of the points, some work and some don't. I think I have narrowed it down to one side. In two rooms i was able to grab one of the "extra" memory cards that were coded as per your nifty code them all and stick them in a chest next to the controller idea and replace the P2P tunnel in the room and program it with the card and it worked. But I cycled through all the cards in the other location no luck. I feel like I am so close. I think I understand the I paused the video to make sure all of the connections are identical. I checked all the p2p Tunnels on the Controller Multiblock and they are all input, and the ones in the rooms are output so that appears correct and of course al of the controllers are online as they all have the disco ball lighting effect, and The output Dense connected to it going to the rooms shows online. I have build and rebuild testing and learning all the ins and outs all the way up to P2P, and I thought I had a complete handle on P2p till I tried this build lol, that said my testing was not with a multiblock. Might hop on my creative world, build the multiblock again and do some testing with that, tear down and retry etc. Oh, and do you have a discord by chance or a presence on a server we could connect on? Would be great if i could post screenshots...that said, time is precious so I dont want to take too much of yours.
Do the Memory Cards work differently in Minecraft 1.7.10? I'm playing FTB Infinity Evolved (no idea what AE2 version this modpack runs on) and when I try to link the P2P Tunnels with the Memory Card, neither of the Tunnels get recolored like in the video and no frequency is shown in either Memory Card or P2P Tunnel. I assume it's just visually different, but if that's the case, it's gonna be really annoying to keep track of which tunnel is linked to which.
It's pretty much the same functionality (exactly the same unless I missed something). A way to keep track of memory cards is to place them in a chest or in a frame next to the output. Then you can tear it down and rebuild quickly! You would need one memory card for every tunnel but it's easy to keep track of!
I'm not sure I understand your question... but as I demonstrated in the end of the video: all sides in the base are connected together, that's why auto-crafting works from one side while storage and crafting CPU:s are in on completely different sides.
@@officialalex2369 The center CPU is directly connected to each "room". The network in the "corridors" is a separate network and actually not connected to the main network. It's how P2P tunnels work :)
@@officialalex2369 Because of the tunnels :) This video is not a P2P tunnel tutorial, you have to understand how they work to understand this. Check the tutorial, it's in the AE2 playlist (link in the description). I can't explain it in an easy way in just a little text ;)
For some reason, my network isn't working (I did the same). I can't insert items in my drives through P2P tunnels (even if I use those memory cards). The crafting terminal I link further (no matter if it is linked to the Main Controller or linked to the Sub Controller) doesn't have acces to the Disk drives. Do you have any idea what recurrents mistakes beginners like me make ? Thx
When I made this video, the Pattern Provider didn't exist in the mod. I think it was introduced around Minecraft 1.16. Up until then, the Interface was used for both auto crafting and interacting other blocks.
If someone can clarify for me. I was trying to figure out how there was so many channels. In the storage area, there was 32 drives connected, taking up 32 channels. Does the p2p tunnel turn those 32 channels into 1 channel on the main line? Is that how it works? And does it work that way because it's taking those 32 channels and putting in on 1 face of the me controllers in the main hub?
Yes, sounds like you got it right! Note that the one channel in the "P2P network" is used for one entry OR exit point. I have controllers in the P2P network but this is not always required, but channel count is always important. With a normal (thin) cable, four channels can be sent through as there are 4 + 4 entry and exit points. With a controller in the middle, it would be able to handle double the amount. I have made several videos on how P2P works, you can find them in the AE2 playlist.
love your tutorials i still dont quite understand why not use the dense cables instead of p2p? i get in the middle of ME controllers we lose 4 slots but do we need p2p for it to work like a big network or what does p2p do i guess maybe i dont understand that part. like another thing i dont get is you used dense cables to extend your channels further to reach other parts of the base like to create things like inventory space or crafting computers, you split that 32 cable with 8 channels ones to separate them but then you placed a p2p and connected a 32 channel cable to the 8 channel one, doesn't the 8 channel cable get overloaded if you fill up the 32 channel cable with inventory stuff or does p2p allow 8 channel cable to receive 32 channels content.
Basically what the other commenter said. I have separate tutorial videos on how P2P works and why this is the smartest way to do it for larger networks. If you didn't use a P2P network you would need to draw Dense cable all over the place, and it would be expensive and a huge mess! In one Dense cable you can fit 16 Dense cables (16 inputs and 16 outputs) which means 512 channels instead of 32. Think of it as a backbone network that is separate from the "use network", you can almost say that they are not even connected to each other. Note that in that 8 channel cable going to one room I mostly use only 1 channel for the P2P output. And in there we'll magically have 32 channels to play with!
@@therealtkh now I cant say how the years have changed ae2 but I have to say I still only use your tutorial :D, thank you again for the comments to explain it, other inventory systems seem way faster to get going and less hassle but I still end up back to ae2 redoing what I did long ago. I just hope it still holds up though it works so I suppose it has not changed that much :D.
It must be part of the main network, but it could be placed in any or several rooms. But wireless has the feature that it can be placed in several places to use lower "signal strength" (amount of boosters). If you have infinite energy you just place the access point anywhere and put 64 boosters, otherwise you adapt it to your energy generation and place more access points with less boosters in each.
hey man i did like u but for some reason i cant see my storage if i am not on a cable from the same p2p channel as the me drive (Ex: i got a dense cable 6 block in lengt and ive put 2 smart cable on it in diffrent direction and attached a p2p cable on each and configured..... now if i put a terminal and me drive on one cable after the p2p tunnel it work but if i go to the second smart cable with a p2p channel on it everything connected to it isnt linked to the other one
Hey, just a design question. I noticed you did this in the other video showing this kind of ME setup as well. You chose to power the controller in the controller room, thus breaking the aesthetic of P2P tunnels directly on the controller. Couldn't you have just put the power connection in the power room of your "base" and transmitted it through the P2P tunnel?
That's a good point, I have done it from habit I guess. But you're right, the power connection to the main network (all rooms and the controller) can be in either room where we can connect to the network. I put an energy cell in the ME Drive room instead and could make the controller run on that power through the network. It's a better solution and I'll think about it from now on! :)
Keep in mind that in servers, if you use a p2p tunnel for powering your controller, if the chunk is unloaded and you load it again, it takes a couple of seconds for the system to get running again. Thing is, controller must be active to link the power p2p tunnels, so your system ends up with no power and becomes unusable. This is from my experience on a server, without using chunkloaders
Not sure I fully understand your question, but the P2P system is what makes it possible to connect all rooms to the same network. I have several videos on P2P that can be found in the playlist.
Could you expand this if you really wanted to? Idk why you would need to but making the brain a 5x5 wouldn't change the actual functions of the individual controllers would it? Each face for each block would still be able to carry up to 32 total channels via p2p
I think I understand what you mean and you are correct in that case. It can be expanded and you can make the main controller with over 20k channels but it will require several P2P networks to only handle all that! Anyway, that's why I have placed ME controllers as a dedicated "P2P network" between the main controller and the corridors. They can handle 32 "main channels" per channel which means 1024 channels going in each direction with only one dense cable.
Sorry for late answer, I had missed this question. I haven't tried the techopolis modpack but this should work just fine in 1.16.5.. It's unusual that a modpack changes that type of functionality so I'm conviced that it should work. Hard to guess what's wrong though, but it has been some time so I hope you found out what was wrong! :)
If you're new to AE2 I recommend the AE2 playlist (video description). But no, I'm not connecting 5 networks, everything is the same network but using a dedicated P2P network to pass 32 channels to different rooms - but they are all in the same networks.
Oh, I think this design only had a three block wide "corridor" for cables with a big room in the center, always make it a bit larger than you think you'll need because it will be really hard to grow them later! In this video I think the center room is like 11x11 plus walls. Sometimes you want walls to be thicker than one block but with a corridor it might be enough space for wires/cables.
@@therealtkh tysm. Followed the basic wiring part of this in the layout, then build a base over it. I think it's quite a nice shape to build with. This feels weird. An amazing AE2 tutorial turned into inspiration for a builder lol
Let's say you want to have 32 channels avaliable in every room, that would require you to run a dedicated dense cable from the main controller to every room, just stacking them on top of each other in the "corridors". It requires a huge amount of material and space. Not to mention that a larger controller might require tunnels to attach to 4-5 sides within a single block space depending on design. So in short: when controller and amount of rooms grows somewhere in mid- to end-game you pretty much need this type of setup if you want everything to be connected in the same network.
Guys i have a problem. I built everything the same way you did but for some reason when I connect my molecular assemblers to the network the second ME Controller gets red that resets, tries to connect the channels but fails. Can someone help?
The second controller that handles the p2p network? Are the p2p tunnels on each side placed correctly? It's really hard without screenshots but it's usually a simple problem, maybe a misplaced cable that connects the different networks together.
@@therealtkh i might have found the problem. If i have the cable connected to the second controller than on the other side of the cable it goes further it for some reson doesnt work. But if i connect the cables around the controller it looks like it work. But thank you for the response
@@-bajo-5636 It's really hard for me without knowing your build but remember that you are not allowed to have two controllers in the same network. If a single block (a cable or something else) it can make the system lock up completely. P2P channels are 1-to-n (but I always go 1-to-1) and must be configured correctly on both sides to function correctly. I have covered this in other videos.
I constructed a P2P network like you did and I'm trying to use them to connect my Me Drives and Interfaces to the network. The problem is that none of my storage is appearing in the system and my patterns within the interfaces aren't there either. I don't know what I'm doing wrong and I'm really struggling with this system. Is there a solution for this?
The problem is that I don't know how you built so it's impossible to answer. With screenshots or a video of how things look it would be easier. Jump onto Discord and discuss it there. It is easy to make mistakes with this build, failing only one step (like powering a subnet, or misclicking the memory card) nothing will work.
@@therealtkh So, it's been 3 days of troubleshooting and doing other things, but I found out that in order to get my terminals to project what's inside my ME drives from P2P tunnels, I just needed to get more P2P tunnels and hook them up to that. I'm confused. Are the P2P tunnels basically their own network, or am I just doing something that's confusing my thing? ...And my interfaces are there too...
@@GeneralBurger I have a few videos on P2P tunnels, starting from simple networks and scaling up to this build. If you're new to P2P it is not recommended to start with the final build, you can find the other ones in the playlist. Basically, P2P tunnels are 1toN. That means that one input can go to one or more places, but there cannot be several inputs to one tunnel. Each tunnel needs to be configured (with memory card) if it's an input or output. And again, each new input needs a new configuration. I usually prefer to have ALL tunnels 1to1 to keep things simple and efficient as every tunnel IO requires one channel. Read more: ae-mod.info/P2P-Tunnel/
@@therealtkh I think, to make it easier on myself, I'm going to watch the entire playlist you've made on AE2 to see if I learn something new. Since a lot of things are confusing me it'll most likely be best to just go from video #1 to #45. I don't like clicking random links because I'm paranoid that a virus is somehow going to be installed onto my computer. I'm just going to watch the videos and then I'll see if I've learned something from it. Thanks.
@@GeneralBurger They are quite old and a bit slow so I recommend watching the ones covering your topics because not all items are crucial :) And if you get stuck or have any questions, you know where to find me (in comments or on Discord). Good luck!
You can't. It's not possible to run tunnels in tunnels. Running 2304 channels in 72 tunnels is as much you can compress things. Unless you mean something else?
I think i've seen this in one TH-cam Video somewhere. Theoretically, when i calculated right, this would lead to 32,768 Channels in one Dense Cable. But why in the World did you need this amount of Channels in one Cable? I mean, normally you can put 32 P2P Tunnels to one Dense cable when using a separated P2P-Controller like in this Video. This equals to 32x32 = 1,024 Channels in one Dense Cable. This is not enough? I think the key is to connect the P2P-Controllers also with P2P-Tunnels to one additional Sub-P2P Controller and at the end you have do undo this in the other direction. But i can aslo be wrong.
@@djblackarrow You can't have p2p in p2p so 1024 channels is maximum in one Dense cable. Also stated by official documentation: ae2.ae-mod.info/P2P-Tunnel/
Is it possible to have it 32 channels per room using the P2P system? I've experimented with just one coontroller and I can get 32 channels compressed into one channel
@@therealtkh Quick question though, in this video I assume there are no subnetworks? Like, the 3x3x3 is the main controller and the other controllers are just there to compress the channels right? or am I mistaken? Thanks! Oh, and on the secondary controllers, can I add p2p to them as well?
@@GamingPerks The middle, big controller is the main, yes. I don't know how you define a subnet but the other small controllers are only there to transfer P2P tunnels. You cannot compress them more though, it is not possible to run tunnels in tunnels! It's not required to have small controllers but you would be limited to have a small cable that can have 4 inputs and 4 outputs. So there would be many small cables going in various directions, it really depends on how big controller you have and how many rooms you want to hook up.
In short: yes :) I have covered P2P tunnels in dedicated videos where you can get a deeper explanation. And they can be connected from one to several locations if needed, but they will then share the (up to) 32 channels.
@@therealtkh sorry, that was bad question :) I saw a lot of your guides and understand how all AE2 works. Thank you a lot for this great material. Now I will spend some hours in creative mode and then I want to make my own guides on structures of ME system in russian youtube with link on your channel.
This still works. But in my case these HEX-Adresses and color pixels are not shown at all. If you use only one memory card to link all of your P2P Tunnels, it's important to make sure you clear the memory cards after each linking. For me i have to shift+right click while looking at a block to clear the memory cards. Shift+right click while looking in the air doesn't work. The linking procedure is always the same: First shift+right click on an unlinked P2P Tunnel that is placed at your ME-Controller then go to the other End and just right click on another unlinked P2P Tunnel. If your ME-System get's bigger and bigger, it can take a few moments before channels, P2P Tunnels and devices get activated. The Network-Cable between two P2P-Tunnels need to be energized. Otherwise the P2P Tunnel doesn't work. I always use quartz fiber to do this. If you use sub-controllers like in this Video you can connect the sub-controllers together with glass-cables and quartz fiber and connect an Energy acceptor at some point when you use Other Mods for Energy delivery. Quartz fiber is used to isolate energy from the ME-Data itself. Only energy is passed through. I always use Ender-IO for Energy production and i often place two AE2 energy acceptors at two different points to create a Fail-safe power supply. I also use AE2 Powercells and large Ender IO capacitors for energy storage. I also build an Emergency power supply to power the ME-System up if something goes wrong. If really bad things happens i have lots of minecraft chests and a 64k storage cell in a separated ME-Chest full of Stuff that i need to repair the ME-System in an Explosion proof room. Sometimes i build a second little ME-System only for emergency, so i can put the storage cells from my main ME-System in the other.
very good Guide but i would have liked to know how to get a Terminal with all the things ( like a Super Terminal that can see all Storage ) Edit : it does it but i am thinking about a Terminal that can use all of the things not sure if it is possible with that right now but i am still new to ME so idk
With this setup there are no limitations. Note that this guide is not creating "subnets" so all rooms will be part of the same network, and all storage and autocrafting will work. If you put a terminal in each room they will all see the entire network.
You can stick to only normal color (fluix) if you want to. Using different colors is only to prevent them from connecting to each other and to make things more clear.
bruh 11k subs you need more edit i thought of making : i have a problem, not exactly relevant to this ae2 tutorial but : my friend has a terrible pc, he cant play mc with any mods (ikr i need better friends), and i dont feel like doing anything creative, for example i got this list of cool stuff to do : 1. Double Ores, DONE 2. Use sustainable power, DONE 3. Make a drill, DONE 4. Build a cool looking basic with a friend 5. Make Jetpacks so my problem is, i dont want to go to the 5th step, i havent completed step 4, so any tips on enjoying singleplayer modded ?
I have always played single player (even when I tried server play it ended up as single...) and have enjoyed it. My first tip would be to play it one topic at a time, and don't mix too many mods together to make the perfect design directly. I find much joy in having areas of the base dedicated to various mods, and go through them one by one. Like using one mod (Thermal Expansion) to make all ore processing. Even though some other mod might be more efficient, I can get to that later. And always spend some extra time on designing a somewhat ok looking base. I think it's more fun to have a good looking base than just a rough cave ;) Chose a modpack with the key mods you want to play with. It's not important to use the biggest packs! I had much fun in some FTB Lite pack, there's enough of content and they are not as demanding for your PC.
Anyone know what mod he is using to see what he is looking at and show the channels? I have tried WAWLA, HWYLA and WTHIT so far and it never looks the same!
Two reasons: First, if I want 32 channels in a room far away, I could go with Dense Cable all the way, but it's much cheaper to use tunnels and "thin" cables. A regular cable can fit 4 or 8 channels, which multiplies with 32. Second, in a large controller, it's impossible to reach all sides in a hole in the controller, then a P2P networks is required anyway - and adds with the first reason.
Hard to say, and I have made this build like three times and every time made the rooms bigger and used different layouts (some small - some large). However, the most important part is to have a three block wide corridor for the "backbone network". Going with only one block makes it too tight if you have rooms above or below. Then you can expand the entire base much larger than in this video - and with more and/or larger rooms. The rooms for pure storage doesn't need to be very big, but other builds require more space and then you won't be able to use all 32 channels in one room unless you make it larger. However, the idea with this type of large network is to prioritize simplicity and logic and not care too much about channel efficiency.
@@grimgreetings2249 In that case: three blocks wide corridors and make all rooms slightly larger than you think are needed. But keep different sizes so there's a selection! The middle room can be 19x19 (not including walls). Just test a few quick layouts in creative to get a feeling for them. And corridors 3 blocks wide so it's easy to walk around. Entire building can be something like 150x110 blocks which gives a good starting place for many rooms :)
There has been a few different mods to do this throughout the years. WAILA (What Am I Looking At) was one of the first (I think), and WAWLA might have replaced it, but I might use The One Probe in this video, I don't remember...
This tutorial is helpful but i would like to know, what is the point of all of it? If it's useful then I would def return to this vid again l and take notes because this is good even if I don't understand it
Well, the network connects different machines to each other, storage and adds functionality such as automatic crafting. Note that this video is aimed towards mid-to-endgame worlds/bases.
I don't see why it shouldn't. I don't test in every modpack but as far as I know all basic functionality is the same even if the mod has gone through some changes over the years. Check the playlist for mod updates!
If I understand correctly: you have a big ME controller in the middle, and when you turn power on it doesn't work? If the ME controller turns red the reason is usually that the controller is not correctly built. But I have no idea how you built it, because I have no screenshots or videos.
@@therealtkh its ok now. I was connecting glass fluix to the p2p instead of thr cable at the start. I have 4 redstone furnaces and they have glass fluix cables sending the goods into a chest, however i have to connect those to an ME network for it to work. How do i separate items from AE power?
@@wisps-vn7oy Hmm, I'm not sure I understand but it sounds like you need to watch a few more tutorial videos (good thing I have like 50!) and you can find the playlist in the video description! :) This video is aimed at mid to late game so the first network you make should not be large like this. What do you mean with AE power? In AE2, there is only one type of power. And in this video I have two networks, one for P2P tunnels and the center will therefore be connected to every room and they will work just as if they are in the same room.
My friend for some reason wants 10k channels (he's very ambitious with his autocrafting) is there any way to make it bigger because apparently 2.3k isn't enough for him😂
Haha, that's a bit crazy but I like it! Well, I have a controller build video with 22k channels. It's difficult to build and manage but perhaps it can give some ideas or inspiration to your friend? Check the AE2 playlist and find the video there.
@@Gibbynovo No worries. But I have no plans on new Let's Play's at this time, the interest has declined over the years so I'm doing random builds and other stuff instead :)
How do you mean...? They can connect not only ME networks but also Redstone, power or items. I covered this in a previous video if that's what you mean.
Another AE2 tutorial video - An updated guide to large ME Controllers and medium to large sized bases. Minor updates since before and everything in the same video should be more useful than the old ones!
it doesnt work for me i did everything but i cannot connect all my me drives it just uses 8 channels and doesnt give me the full potential
@@dzzenok4136 Not sure what you've done but you might have mixed up cables (use dense cables where required) and check the video on me networks to learn about how to handle the 8 channel limitation, after that you need a controller, and then you need dense cables to handle 32 channels before branching.
From the bottom of my heart thank you for making my childhood less painful. Watching this an adult is a breeze.
I play many different modded Minecraft modpacks, most have AE2. I always come back to TKH's instructional videos because they are the most detailed, and cover pretty much every aspect of AE2. Like he even has a pure AE2 potion brewing setup. Truly genius and I hope he continues with the new AE2 version.
Happy to hear it, thank you :) I try to keep updated with new version as well but the only thing I've covered so far is the new Pattern Provider block. So yes, still doing AE2 videos!
And I still do to this day. :D
P2P is a great thing when it works. I wish I had done your memory card trick in the chest for easy relinks. I know what I'm going to be doing tonight and that's trying out how you set this all up. Bravo good job!
Did it work out? It's easy to do when it's planned for :) But I know that when you're in the middle of building and expanding you never leave that extra space for a backbone network or a smart P2P system.
@@therealtkh I actually had so much fun messing around with it I started a new level to start from scratch. I now have chests throughout with memory cards storing the info and it's simple now even with the amount of connections.
@@TheElderOne2003 Awesome! :D
You probably have the best tutorials for AE2, and I can say 100% it's helped me understand so much more than many written guides have, and it's also super cool to see you still making tutorials for it despite having done it for so long, so thanks a ton. I do have a quick question though. Currently I'm unable to find any documentation on the fluid mechanics that replaced EC2's own fluid mechanics, and I'm wondering if you would be able to cover that in some capacity sometime?
(you seem really busy tho, plus you also 100% don't get enough views for this stuff so imo it's amazing you're still doing this)
Thank you :) Hmm, I haven't really touched EC2 in a long time and I didn't know they changed the mechanics. Are there any specific tasks you have problems with that I might help out with? Join up on discord (link on tkh.one/support) and we can talk more about it.
This video has finally cracked it for me. I always kinda understood AE2 but now I think I'll actually be confident making big networks! thanks bro!
Happy to hear it, thank you! Hope it works well! :)
wow! Thank you so much for this, i had tried to implement your me design in PO3 literally last week, and i couldn't get the tunnels to work, this has explained EVERYTHING. your tutorial videos are fantastic :D
Awesome to hear, thanks! :D
ive used this base layout for years now, awesome video, about to use it again!
I have referred to this video countless times, it's been a lifesaver. Thank you so much for making it!
So happy to hear that, thank you :)
the best tutorial ever for ae2,works in 1.19.2,everything i wanted you provided,big thumbs up
Happy to hear, thanks!
its even helping me now in 1.20 haha. I now finally understand why I should use p2p
I've done a similar one where I led the tunnels back into the main controller, and then used large cabels to connect to those interfaces. It was pretty flexible, as as long as there was cable capacity, I could connect to more tunnels. However it was also more expensive and complex, needing more controllers for the same result. Your design is neatly separated.
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I would love to see you play some modded minecraft where you put these kind of designs into use!
I hope I can find time for some normal gameplay, you have no idea of how often I think that I want to do it! I do so many tutorials but have almost no time to actually enjoy the game...
@@therealtkh I hope you'll find the time!
I third this! I don’t really watch many modded Minecraft let’s plays, but these designs are so freaking cool that I’d love to actually see a normal let’s play where you put these to good use. (Totally not because I want to steal all your designs.😏)
For real, though, I’d watch every single episode if you made a modded Minecraft let’s play. That’d be amazing.
I honestly just recommend that you take a break from making tutorials. Don’t force yourself to do something you don’t want to. Chill and play the game normally while recording, is what I recommend. You could do something like direwolf20 does where his let’s plays are semi-tutorials, as he describes what he’s doing in his let’s plays, if you want to.
If you do eventually have the time to play the game normally, I recommend playing a pack like Enigmatica 2 (normal kitchen sink pack with quests), All the Mods 3 - Remix (normal kitchen sink pack without quests but with more mods than Enigmatica 2), Enigmatica 2: Expert (hard progression-based packs with even better quests than the regular version of the pack), or Enigmatica 2: Expert Skyblock (hard progression-based _skyblock_ pack). Really, just play whatever; I’d love to watch regardless of what pack you play.
@@immortalsun Glad to hear that :) I haven't played a modded pack in a while so it's very high up on my list at this point. Doing tutorials is fun in a different way and a good way to fully learn the mods, but it's only useful if the knowledge is put to use in a playing world.. Haven't decided yet, but I'll discuss it further with my Patrons to get more input of what to pick!
I did it once! on PO2 Kappa mode
This video is the absolute reference in term of Applied Energistics 2 base building, organization and good practices !
Let me tell you for so long I tried to learn p2p buy never now i finally understand you dont know how much you helped me
The original series on this mod was one of my favorite by you. Thanks for this!
Thanks, as it's one of my favorite mods of all time I really love making videos on the mod! Feel free to suggest other topics, or videos that should be covered again!
This video was very good, and I'll admit that I felt like a bit of an idiot for not thinking of some of these things
I know its very late, But thank you so much. i always stayed away from using p2p (it always felt confusing for me) but this video simplified it in a way even i understood. and i have replicated this design in my playthrough and having a absolute blast in properly being able to organise my network. Thanks a lot again :)
I am going to post this same comment on every video in this series just incase you guys still look once in a while.
Thank you, your tutorials have been the best bar none. I wont break down the many ways you guys hit the nail on the head, just know that your work was highly appreciated. Get your buts together again and go after Hytale when it releases. If you guys would have stuck with this channel, maybe branched out along the same lines of Survival games, and just kept at it, no doubt your channel would have become very very busy. Thank you again, your work was excellent.
I just started AE2 and i'm very tempted to build this! i plan on doing alot of automation and other things like that and this seems pretty simple yet complex! i saw your first video on this design and tried to replicate it and was so confused by the p2p tunnels and how everything worked in general. but this video cleared everything up and i think i can confidently replicate this on my smp! thanks for the great content
Maybe a little late but you can name your memory cards in an anvil.
Once your base and your AE2 system grow to a size where you have to rely on tunnels, it will essentially restructure all of your cabling and you will have dozens of tunnels.
If anything breaks or you want to move around your core of controllers, hooking up every last one of the tunnels can be a daunting task and you are likely to forget one.
Having a bunch of memory cards with unique names at least tells you how many pairs of tunnels your base used to have.
That's a good point! Another way to do it is to keep a chest (or item frame) next to every P2P tunnel output with the corresponding memory card. That makes it easy to reconnect after maintenance :)
I hadn't considered using another ME controller to handle all the p2p channels, very interesting!
This is what many Minecrafters and Minecraft-TH-camrs do wrong. They connect the P2P Network back to their Main ME-Controller and waste channels instead of using a separate Controller. They can also run only up to 16 P2P Input-Channels and 16 P2P Output Channels. I tried both Versions, and i think the one like in this Video offers higher operation speed of the whole ME-System and you can run up to 32 Input- and Output Channels per P2P Network (Dense Cable required) at the same Time.
That's one good video man! props to you, found your channel yesterday while searching for a good controller design and I just love the quality of your videos, all the calculations in the descriptions n stuff. keep it up :)
and BTW, the tutorial really helped out
edit: BTW you can middle-click-drag for filling the ME drives with the cells in creative.
Thanks! And I'll remember that tip, I always just middle click to copy.... :)
I like the effort you put in these videos. I also like that u like what u do lol
I first saw this mod like a week ago and though man that'll be really cool.
And it is.... it's just insanely complicated :D
It's very complicated when trying to do everything starting from nothing! But taking it in small steps, building the network from less than 8 channels, creating a controller, making network slightly larger, start with simple auto-crafting etc. should take you all the way to expert level! And I have 50 videos to help you get there ;)
That chest method is so nifty! I never thought of that! I always lost track of what P2P tunnels are linked to what P2P tunnels. 😛
Hehe, yeah, it's impossible to remember once the network grows from very small to small-medium :) In most mods you have plenty of material to "waste" on nifty tricks like that, and it could save a lot of time in the end!
Best guide in existence.
Many thanks!
so beautiful….. this video change my ae2 network design method. Thanks a lot!
Happy to hear that, thanks :)
Anyone who needs to read this.... double and TRIPLE check that your tunnels have the same ports, and follow his method precisely. I thought my tunnels matched up. They didn't, and no power flowed, and I tilted my brain into a wall trying to figure it out. Measure thrice, cut once.
Did the same thing
most helpfull video man. i play a modpack with the offiicial server but my friend doesnt help me at all with ME storage even though they kind of broke it multiple times so i need to fix it but im not good with ME so this helps alot.
Hey, it's an old video but a little trick can help you for save some space for the cable, you can connect the colored covered cable of the main Me controller with some Quartz Fiber if you connect us to the main me controler at the energy entering point. Sorry for my english, i'm a baguette.
awesome video my guy. thanks a ton.
This is amazing
this is exactly why i always CHoose Refine Storage
Remember that controller that connects cables from Main Controller Is only support if u directly connect some thing like drive to it its gonna be on on support network and not on main one just remeber that
This tutorial was so useful thank you!
very useful to design the distribution of my base!
Thanks!
Thanks for the guide TKH! I'm new to the modded scene and I am now nearly at the point where I start delving into AE2 and I have to say all this is new to me. I also have a feeling this is a more advanced guide and I really should start watching previous guides first as some things are unclear to me. I really appreciate your effort, and I will definitely try do my own research. But, if you don't mind, I would like to know a bit more about these channels and perhaps you could explain a few things?
1) why do you use color coded smart cables? If using p2p channels, would it be possible to just use glass cables through your corridors to connect everything? Then pull out a dense cable from the p2p channels inside the rooms again?
2) why do you use separate ME controllers for the 4 different corners of your base? What is the benefit of doing this and what is the result of this on the amount of accessible channels? Is it considered a separate network that it actually needs its own controller?
I've always loved this design.
I recently implemented it in my ATM9 game.
Did you know you can plug an energy acceptor in any of the rooms and it will power the Large Controller? No need to waste a side on power!
I managed to split all 72 sides evenly into 18 sides for each cardinal direction.
At first I didn't understand anyshit but rewatched it and amazin video thank you.
Glad you gave it a second try, thanks :)
Best mod!
Also there have been some new ae2 add-ons releast
I meant to look at them a long time ago..... I have covered Extra cells 2 and Wireless Crafting Terminal, but perhaps there are some additions to look at (as well as the other addons) :)
@@therealtkh yeah there are some really cool ones (also op)
Also your tutorials are the best!
There is something i can't understand
why doesnt the little controllers break when you connect the p2p cables to them
and why do you need the smaller controllers for this setup to work
Late but the little controllers are a separate network, that's why they break when you connect them to the power without clear cable because that'll put them on the same network. You use them so you can have 16 P2P hubs coming from them on a single line, without you'd have to run two lines of 8.
This set-up gives you access to 16 P2P hubs in each direction, and each of them allows 32 lines / machines.
There's 9 sets of 8, he's using 8 sets and leaving the bottom set free for now. If I was you I'd leave the top set free of this was in your basement and have them going directly up.
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I'm pretty sure you could even have 32 P2P hubs on one line, as long you have two *seperate* lines only connected by the "p2p-net controller"
So you go from 4 lines (eight p2p channels divided by two), to 8 times more (32 output p2p channels)
This is good, I might get into to AE2. I was just very difficult for me.
It's hard to get started with if you have no idea of where to start and how to design networks. Should I make a new series that is more of a user guide perhaps....?
@@therealtkh Yea, it sounds like a good idea
Tanks for this nice discription🙏🏼
Nice video, thanks for sharing.
Just a question, why do you need the extra 4 controllers? Can't you just use the dense cable out from each side of the cube with the colored cables connected, since you're using the memory card to link the p2p.
A network without controller can only consist of 8 channels. So they are not _needed_ but you could only manage at most 4 rooms if you want 32 channels to each. I have done videos on this before, check the playlist in vid description.
im playing atm8 and its not showing my items or crafts it shows the channels are being used
I have a question. Why do you need the four subnetwork controllers? There are only 16 channels going to the dense cable before the sub network controller so could you just extend that dense cable down your hallways to your rooms?
All of the p2p tunnels need a controller connected to them, which takes up channels from the main controller if you did it that way, as well as making cable place more complicated. The secondary controllers are used essentially as routers for the main one, which makes network design simpler (as well as being the only way to utilise all channels of the primary controller).
P.S. Sorry if this isn't very clear, but I hope you understand.
@@jessicabevan4657 no that's explains it well. I always forget that the p2p tunnels also need channels to work
I'm glad to have helped
You already got an answer but I want to add one thing: It is possible to skip ME Controllers in the P2P Networks as long as you limit each "thin" cable to 4 inputs and 4 outputs. An ME Network can only have 8 channels without an ME Controller (this is very useful in early networking btw!) which means that the 16 channels (32 in total as the network has to handle the outputs as well) need a controller or the P2P network simply won't work. But for the 16 channels you would have to send 4 thin cables in each direction which would be a mess ;)
Hey their, got it all working till the very last step when I connect the Smart Dense Cable to the side going to the storage units the P2p Tunnel shows online but the Dense Cable shows offline for some reason. I made sure its exactly as you have done, not sure what I am missing. This is approximately 15:00 ish of your video. Any thoughts?
It sounds like the Dense Cable is not connected on the "source side". In my build the P2P tunnel sits directly on the ME Controller so either your controller is not online, or there is something wrong with the tunnels. Remember that they have one input and can have several outputs. It's important how to link them so the input is the one on the controller and output is in the distant room.
@@therealtkh Thanks so much for responding! since your vids go back to 2014 it was a shot in the dark so glad your still checking this stuff! So after some looking at all of the points, some work and some don't. I think I have narrowed it down to one side. In two rooms i was able to grab one of the "extra" memory cards that were coded as per your nifty code them all and stick them in a chest next to the controller idea and replace the P2P tunnel in the room and program it with the card and it worked. But I cycled through all the cards in the other location no luck. I feel like I am so close. I think I understand the I paused the video to make sure all of the connections are identical. I checked all the p2p Tunnels on the Controller Multiblock and they are all input, and the ones in the rooms are output so that appears correct and of course al of the controllers are online as they all have the disco ball lighting effect, and The output Dense connected to it going to the rooms shows online. I have build and rebuild testing and learning all the ins and outs all the way up to P2P, and I thought I had a complete handle on P2p till I tried this build lol, that said my testing was not with a multiblock. Might hop on my creative world, build the multiblock again and do some testing with that, tear down and retry etc. Oh, and do you have a discord by chance or a presence on a server we could connect on? Would be great if i could post screenshots...that said, time is precious so I dont want to take too much of yours.
Do the Memory Cards work differently in Minecraft 1.7.10? I'm playing FTB Infinity Evolved (no idea what AE2 version this modpack runs on) and when I try to link the P2P Tunnels with the Memory Card, neither of the Tunnels get recolored like in the video and no frequency is shown in either Memory Card or P2P Tunnel.
I assume it's just visually different, but if that's the case, it's gonna be really annoying to keep track of which tunnel is linked to which.
It's pretty much the same functionality (exactly the same unless I missed something). A way to keep track of memory cards is to place them in a chest or in a frame next to the output. Then you can tear it down and rebuild quickly! You would need one memory card for every tunnel but it's easy to keep track of!
I’m totally stealing this design
Feel free to share pictures of the result - if possible :)
Are the P2P tunel in the controler connect together to become a system So you can access to the another room in your base ????? Please answer this
I'm not sure I understand your question... but as I demonstrated in the end of the video: all sides in the base are connected together, that's why auto-crafting works from one side while storage and crafting CPU:s are in on completely different sides.
that's what i want to ask but why are they connect together. Is that because they are in the same cube of controllers???
@@officialalex2369 The center CPU is directly connected to each "room". The network in the "corridors" is a separate network and actually not connected to the main network. It's how P2P tunnels work :)
So how can you access to the me drive but you’re in the other room!
@@officialalex2369 Because of the tunnels :) This video is not a P2P tunnel tutorial, you have to understand how they work to understand this. Check the tutorial, it's in the AE2 playlist (link in the description). I can't explain it in an easy way in just a little text ;)
For some reason, my network isn't working (I did the same). I can't insert items in my drives through P2P tunnels (even if I use those memory cards). The crafting terminal I link further (no matter if it is linked to the Main Controller or linked to the Sub Controller) doesn't have acces to the Disk drives. Do you have any idea what recurrents mistakes beginners like me make ? Thx
i got the same problem :/
Why use interface for crafting instead of pattern providers?
When I made this video, the Pattern Provider didn't exist in the mod. I think it was introduced around Minecraft 1.16. Up until then, the Interface was used for both auto crafting and interacting other blocks.
@@therealtkh Got it! Thanks for replying to such an old video.
If someone can clarify for me.
I was trying to figure out how there was so many channels. In the storage area, there was 32 drives connected, taking up 32 channels. Does the p2p tunnel turn those 32 channels into 1 channel on the main line? Is that how it works?
And does it work that way because it's taking those 32 channels and putting in on 1 face of the me controllers in the main hub?
Yes, sounds like you got it right! Note that the one channel in the "P2P network" is used for one entry OR exit point. I have controllers in the P2P network but this is not always required, but channel count is always important. With a normal (thin) cable, four channels can be sent through as there are 4 + 4 entry and exit points. With a controller in the middle, it would be able to handle double the amount. I have made several videos on how P2P works, you can find them in the AE2 playlist.
love your tutorials i still dont quite understand why not use the dense cables instead of p2p? i get in the middle of ME controllers we lose 4 slots but do we need p2p for it to work like a big network or what does p2p do i guess maybe i dont understand that part.
like another thing i dont get is you used dense cables to extend your channels further to reach other parts of the base like to create things like inventory space or crafting computers, you split that 32 cable with 8 channels ones to separate them but then you placed a p2p and connected a 32 channel cable to the 8 channel one, doesn't the 8 channel cable get overloaded if you fill up the 32 channel cable with inventory stuff or does p2p allow 8 channel cable to receive 32 channels content.
P2P condenses 32 channels into 1 channel
Basically what the other commenter said. I have separate tutorial videos on how P2P works and why this is the smartest way to do it for larger networks. If you didn't use a P2P network you would need to draw Dense cable all over the place, and it would be expensive and a huge mess! In one Dense cable you can fit 16 Dense cables (16 inputs and 16 outputs) which means 512 channels instead of 32. Think of it as a backbone network that is separate from the "use network", you can almost say that they are not even connected to each other. Note that in that 8 channel cable going to one room I mostly use only 1 channel for the P2P output. And in there we'll magically have 32 channels to play with!
@@therealtkh now I cant say how the years have changed ae2 but I have to say I still only use your tutorial :D, thank you again for the comments to explain it, other inventory systems seem way faster to get going and less hassle but I still end up back to ae2 redoing what I did long ago. I just hope it still holds up though it works so I suppose it has not changed that much :D.
Where would you add your Wireless ME Terminal to be able to access everything?
It must be part of the main network, but it could be placed in any or several rooms. But wireless has the feature that it can be placed in several places to use lower "signal strength" (amount of boosters). If you have infinite energy you just place the access point anywhere and put 64 boosters, otherwise you adapt it to your energy generation and place more access points with less boosters in each.
Does anyone know the dimensions for this layout? The size of each room? I would love to try out this layout for a base!
hey man i did like u but for some reason i cant see my storage if i am not on a cable from the same p2p channel as the me drive (Ex: i got a dense cable 6 block in lengt and ive put 2 smart cable on it in diffrent direction and attached a p2p cable on each and configured..... now if i put a terminal and me drive on one cable after the p2p tunnel it work but if i go to the second smart cable with a p2p channel on it everything connected to it isnt linked to the other one
Hey, just a design question. I noticed you did this in the other video showing this kind of ME setup as well. You chose to power the controller in the controller room, thus breaking the aesthetic of P2P tunnels directly on the controller. Couldn't you have just put the power connection in the power room of your "base" and transmitted it through the P2P tunnel?
That's a good point, I have done it from habit I guess. But you're right, the power connection to the main network (all rooms and the controller) can be in either room where we can connect to the network. I put an energy cell in the ME Drive room instead and could make the controller run on that power through the network. It's a better solution and I'll think about it from now on! :)
Keep in mind that in servers, if you use a p2p tunnel for powering your controller, if the chunk is unloaded and you load it again, it takes a couple of seconds for the system to get running again. Thing is, controller must be active to link the power p2p tunnels, so your system ends up with no power and becomes unusable. This is from my experience on a server, without using chunkloaders
@@xxBI0Sxx Good to know, I always chunkloaded my network chunks so it was never a problem for me (in my single player worlds).
thank you :)
Very helpful, ty dude
how do you connect the 4 systems? like how can i access storage from the other side when they cables arent connected
Not sure I fully understand your question, but the P2P system is what makes it possible to connect all rooms to the same network. I have several videos on P2P that can be found in the playlist.
1hour of not understanding anything and trying, then... blew up everything
Could you expand this if you really wanted to? Idk why you would need to but making the brain a 5x5 wouldn't change the actual functions of the individual controllers would it? Each face for each block would still be able to carry up to 32 total channels via p2p
I think I understand what you mean and you are correct in that case. It can be expanded and you can make the main controller with over 20k channels but it will require several P2P networks to only handle all that! Anyway, that's why I have placed ME controllers as a dedicated "P2P network" between the main controller and the corridors. They can handle 32 "main channels" per channel which means 1024 channels going in each direction with only one dense cable.
this still work in the latest ae2 versions? i'm playing techopolis and trying to do this, but for some reason it doesn't work
Sorry for late answer, I had missed this question. I haven't tried the techopolis modpack but this should work just fine in 1.16.5.. It's unusual that a modpack changes that type of functionality so I'm conviced that it should work. Hard to guess what's wrong though, but it has been some time so I hope you found out what was wrong! :)
What is the mod who show you tool tips in the box at left top corner, pls ?
It should be "The One Probe".
@@therealtkh Thank you very much!
thanks for this it was very helpful
I'm new to AE2, is this basically connecting 5 networks together?
If you're new to AE2 I recommend the AE2 playlist (video description). But no, I'm not connecting 5 networks, everything is the same network but using a dedicated P2P network to pass 32 channels to different rooms - but they are all in the same networks.
hey TKH, anyway i could get the measurements for the brickwork?
Oh, I think this design only had a three block wide "corridor" for cables with a big room in the center, always make it a bit larger than you think you'll need because it will be really hard to grow them later! In this video I think the center room is like 11x11 plus walls. Sometimes you want walls to be thicker than one block but with a corridor it might be enough space for wires/cables.
@@therealtkh tysm. Followed the basic wiring part of this in the layout, then build a base over it. I think it's quite a nice shape to build with.
This feels weird. An amazing AE2 tutorial turned into inspiration for a builder lol
@@AuraSenpai Awesome :) Feel free to drop a few screens if you build cool stuff! (like on Discord, Facebook or so) :)
can u show the inside in 5:55
Sure, in this video I covered it in detail:
th-cam.com/video/bMU1scXth6M/w-d-xo.html
I'm confused as to why you are running p2p in each "room"? Why not just run straight cable without it?
Let's say you want to have 32 channels avaliable in every room, that would require you to run a dedicated dense cable from the main controller to every room, just stacking them on top of each other in the "corridors". It requires a huge amount of material and space. Not to mention that a larger controller might require tunnels to attach to 4-5 sides within a single block space depending on design. So in short: when controller and amount of rooms grows somewhere in mid- to end-game you pretty much need this type of setup if you want everything to be connected in the same network.
Guys i have a problem. I built everything the same way you did but for some reason when I connect my molecular assemblers to the network the second ME Controller gets red that resets, tries to connect the channels but fails. Can someone help?
The second controller that handles the p2p network? Are the p2p tunnels on each side placed correctly? It's really hard without screenshots but it's usually a simple problem, maybe a misplaced cable that connects the different networks together.
@@therealtkh i might have found the problem. If i have the cable connected to the second controller than on the other side of the cable it goes further it for some reson doesnt work. But if i connect the cables around the controller it looks like it work. But thank you for the response
@@-bajo-5636 It's really hard for me without knowing your build but remember that you are not allowed to have two controllers in the same network. If a single block (a cable or something else) it can make the system lock up completely. P2P channels are 1-to-n (but I always go 1-to-1) and must be configured correctly on both sides to function correctly. I have covered this in other videos.
@@therealtkh thx for the help. It seems to work now. The videos helped a lot
I constructed a P2P network like you did and I'm trying to use them to connect my Me Drives and Interfaces to the network. The problem is that none of my storage is appearing in the system and my patterns within the interfaces aren't there either. I don't know what I'm doing wrong and I'm really struggling with this system. Is there a solution for this?
The problem is that I don't know how you built so it's impossible to answer. With screenshots or a video of how things look it would be easier. Jump onto Discord and discuss it there. It is easy to make mistakes with this build, failing only one step (like powering a subnet, or misclicking the memory card) nothing will work.
@@therealtkh So, it's been 3 days of troubleshooting and doing other things, but I found out that in order to get my terminals to project what's inside my ME drives from P2P tunnels, I just needed to get more P2P tunnels and hook them up to that.
I'm confused. Are the P2P tunnels basically their own network, or am I just doing something that's confusing my thing?
...And my interfaces are there too...
@@GeneralBurger I have a few videos on P2P tunnels, starting from simple networks and scaling up to this build. If you're new to P2P it is not recommended to start with the final build, you can find the other ones in the playlist. Basically, P2P tunnels are 1toN. That means that one input can go to one or more places, but there cannot be several inputs to one tunnel. Each tunnel needs to be configured (with memory card) if it's an input or output. And again, each new input needs a new configuration. I usually prefer to have ALL tunnels 1to1 to keep things simple and efficient as every tunnel IO requires one channel. Read more: ae-mod.info/P2P-Tunnel/
@@therealtkh I think, to make it easier on myself, I'm going to watch the entire playlist you've made on AE2 to see if I learn something new. Since a lot of things are confusing me it'll most likely be best to just go from video #1 to #45. I don't like clicking random links because I'm paranoid that a virus is somehow going to be installed onto my computer. I'm just going to watch the videos and then I'll see if I've learned something from it.
Thanks.
@@GeneralBurger They are quite old and a bit slow so I recommend watching the ones covering your topics because not all items are crucial :) And if you get stuck or have any questions, you know where to find me (in comments or on Discord). Good luck!
14:05 how would I connect all 72 channels into 1?
You can't. It's not possible to run tunnels in tunnels. Running 2304 channels in 72 tunnels is as much you can compress things. Unless you mean something else?
Question, can you use p2p tunnels to transfer other p2p tunnels (inception)
No, that's not possible :)
I think i've seen this in one TH-cam Video somewhere. Theoretically, when i calculated right, this would lead to 32,768 Channels in one Dense Cable. But why in the World did you need this amount of Channels in one Cable?
I mean, normally you can put 32 P2P Tunnels to one Dense cable when using a separated P2P-Controller like in this Video. This equals to 32x32 = 1,024 Channels in one Dense Cable. This is not enough?
I think the key is to connect the P2P-Controllers also with P2P-Tunnels to one additional Sub-P2P Controller and at the end you have do undo this in the other direction. But i can aslo be wrong.
@@djblackarrow You can't have p2p in p2p so 1024 channels is maximum in one Dense cable. Also stated by official documentation: ae2.ae-mod.info/P2P-Tunnel/
At 13:03 you missed one. O.O
Is it possible to have it 32 channels per room using the P2P system? I've experimented with just one coontroller and I can get 32 channels compressed into one channel
Well, isn't that exactly what this video is all about?
@@therealtkh My bad! I got confused. I tried it out myself and experienced just how powerful even 1 controller can get. Truly amazing!
@@GamingPerks Cool, hope it works out!
@@therealtkh Quick question though, in this video I assume there are no subnetworks? Like, the 3x3x3 is the main controller and the other controllers are just there to compress the channels right? or am I mistaken? Thanks!
Oh, and on the secondary controllers, can I add p2p to them as well?
@@GamingPerks The middle, big controller is the main, yes. I don't know how you define a subnet but the other small controllers are only there to transfer P2P tunnels. You cannot compress them more though, it is not possible to run tunnels in tunnels! It's not required to have small controllers but you would be limited to have a small cable that can have 4 inputs and 4 outputs. So there would be many small cables going in various directions, it really depends on how big controller you have and how many rooms you want to hook up.
If i understood this correctly, each p2p tunnel is 32 channels?
In short: yes :) I have covered P2P tunnels in dedicated videos where you can get a deeper explanation. And they can be connected from one to several locations if needed, but they will then share the (up to) 32 channels.
@@therealtkh I'll be sure to check those out :) really cool that you've been covering this mod for so many years keep it up
Can we buid this structures recursively? Whould it works?
Do you mean tunnels in tunnels? In that case no, it's not possible.
@@therealtkh sorry, that was bad question :) I saw a lot of your guides and understand how all AE2 works. Thank you a lot for this great material. Now I will spend some hours in creative mode and then I want to make my own guides on structures of ME system in russian youtube with link on your channel.
@@skyludHappy to hear :) Good luck and have fun with your project!
Thank you!
Why did you cut out how to put the cables I'm too small brain to do it
Because I have a playlist (link in video description) with lots of tutorials for AE2 and have covered this a few times before.
@@therealtkh oh ok
Does this still works? When I use the memory card it says invalid machine
You forgot to wrote what pack, game and mod version you play on. But as far as I know this hasn't changed.
Make sure you have nothing in your offhand. Shift+rightclick to create a configuration at the controller and right click to apply it elsewhere.
This still works. But in my case these HEX-Adresses and color pixels are not shown at all.
If you use only one memory card to link all of your P2P Tunnels, it's important to make sure you clear the memory cards after each linking. For me i have to shift+right click while looking at a block to clear the memory cards. Shift+right click while looking in the air doesn't work.
The linking procedure is always the same: First shift+right click on an unlinked P2P Tunnel that is placed at your ME-Controller then go to the other End and just right click on another unlinked P2P Tunnel. If your ME-System get's bigger and bigger, it can take a few moments before channels, P2P Tunnels and devices get activated.
The Network-Cable between two P2P-Tunnels need to be energized. Otherwise the P2P Tunnel doesn't work. I always use quartz fiber to do this. If you use sub-controllers like in this Video you can connect the sub-controllers together with glass-cables and quartz fiber and connect an Energy acceptor at some point when you use Other Mods for Energy delivery. Quartz fiber is used to isolate energy from the ME-Data itself. Only energy is passed through.
I always use Ender-IO for Energy production and i often place two AE2 energy acceptors at two different points to create a Fail-safe power supply. I also use AE2 Powercells and large Ender IO capacitors for energy storage. I also build an Emergency power supply to power the ME-System up if something goes wrong. If really bad things happens i have lots of minecraft chests and a 64k storage cell in a separated ME-Chest full of Stuff that i need to repair the ME-System in an Explosion proof room. Sometimes i build a second little ME-System only for emergency, so i can put the storage cells from my main ME-System in the other.
very good Guide but i would have liked to know how to get a Terminal with all the things ( like a Super Terminal that can see all Storage )
Edit : it does it but i am thinking about a Terminal that can use all of the things not sure if it is possible with that right now but i am still new to ME so idk
With this setup there are no limitations. Note that this guide is not creating "subnets" so all rooms will be part of the same network, and all storage and autocrafting will work. If you put a terminal in each room they will all see the entire network.
do they have to be colored or can they be a single color
You can stick to only normal color (fluix) if you want to. Using different colors is only to prevent them from connecting to each other and to make things more clear.
TKH thanks for clarifying
bruh 11k subs
you need more
edit i thought of making : i have a problem, not exactly relevant to this ae2 tutorial but : my friend has a terrible pc, he cant play mc with any mods (ikr i need better friends), and i dont feel like doing anything creative, for example i got this list of cool stuff to do :
1. Double Ores, DONE
2. Use sustainable power, DONE
3. Make a drill, DONE
4. Build a cool looking basic with a friend
5. Make Jetpacks
so my problem is, i dont want to go to the 5th step, i havent completed step 4, so any tips on enjoying singleplayer modded ?
I have always played single player (even when I tried server play it ended up as single...) and have enjoyed it. My first tip would be to play it one topic at a time, and don't mix too many mods together to make the perfect design directly. I find much joy in having areas of the base dedicated to various mods, and go through them one by one. Like using one mod (Thermal Expansion) to make all ore processing. Even though some other mod might be more efficient, I can get to that later. And always spend some extra time on designing a somewhat ok looking base. I think it's more fun to have a good looking base than just a rough cave ;) Chose a modpack with the key mods you want to play with. It's not important to use the biggest packs! I had much fun in some FTB Lite pack, there's enough of content and they are not as demanding for your PC.
Anyone know what mod he is using to see what he is looking at and show the channels? I have tried WAWLA, HWYLA and WTHIT so far and it never looks the same!
I think I was using "The One Probe" in this tutorial pack.
and this is why AE2 will always be better then Refined Storage.
Whats the point of a backbone system?
Two reasons: First, if I want 32 channels in a room far away, I could go with Dense Cable all the way, but it's much cheaper to use tunnels and "thin" cables. A regular cable can fit 4 or 8 channels, which multiplies with 32. Second, in a large controller, it's impossible to reach all sides in a hole in the controller, then a P2P networks is required anyway - and adds with the first reason.
what are the dimensions of the rooms if i may ask
Hard to say, and I have made this build like three times and every time made the rooms bigger and used different layouts (some small - some large). However, the most important part is to have a three block wide corridor for the "backbone network". Going with only one block makes it too tight if you have rooms above or below. Then you can expand the entire base much larger than in this video - and with more and/or larger rooms. The rooms for pure storage doesn't need to be very big, but other builds require more space and then you won't be able to use all 32 channels in one room unless you make it larger. However, the idea with this type of large network is to prioritize simplicity and logic and not care too much about channel efficiency.
@@therealtkh sadly i havnt played much with this and my friend told me to build him a chamber and i have no clue where to start
@@grimgreetings2249 In that case: three blocks wide corridors and make all rooms slightly larger than you think are needed. But keep different sizes so there's a selection! The middle room can be 19x19 (not including walls). Just test a few quick layouts in creative to get a feeling for them. And corridors 3 blocks wide so it's easy to walk around. Entire building can be something like 150x110 blocks which gives a good starting place for many rooms :)
@@therealtkh thank you so much for responding to me i didn't think i would get a response and i appreciate it i shall try that out
What mod are you using to see the details in the top left corner of the screen?
There has been a few different mods to do this throughout the years. WAILA (What Am I Looking At) was one of the first (I think), and WAWLA might have replaced it, but I might use The One Probe in this video, I don't remember...
what are the dimesnions?
Hmm, of the entire base? Or the controller? It was a hard question :)
This tutorial is helpful but i would like to know, what is the point of all of it? If it's useful then I would def return to this vid again l and take notes because this is good even if I don't understand it
@John Atwood that sounds extremely helpful thank you
What can these machines be used for tho?
Well, the network connects different machines to each other, storage and adds functionality such as automatic crafting. Note that this video is aimed towards mid-to-endgame worlds/bases.
@@therealtkh wow ok this is so different to the one in tekkit
but now how do i pump rf through it?
Did you convert it to RF tunnel?
Does this work in stoneblock3?
I don't see why it shouldn't. I don't test in every modpack but as far as I know all basic functionality is the same even if the mod has gone through some changes over the years. Check the playlist for mod updates!
URGENT, for me when I connect energy cell, it all lights red even tho I did exactly what u did
If I understand correctly: you have a big ME controller in the middle, and when you turn power on it doesn't work? If the ME controller turns red the reason is usually that the controller is not correctly built. But I have no idea how you built it, because I have no screenshots or videos.
@@therealtkh its ok now. I was connecting glass fluix to the p2p instead of thr cable at the start.
I have 4 redstone furnaces and they have glass fluix cables sending the goods into a chest, however i have to connect those to an ME network for it to work. How do i separate items from AE power?
@@wisps-vn7oy Hmm, I'm not sure I understand but it sounds like you need to watch a few more tutorial videos (good thing I have like 50!) and you can find the playlist in the video description! :) This video is aimed at mid to late game so the first network you make should not be large like this. What do you mean with AE power? In AE2, there is only one type of power. And in this video I have two networks, one for P2P tunnels and the center will therefore be connected to every room and they will work just as if they are in the same room.
For some reason this is not working for me could anyone please help me in discord?
I can try to help, and there should be a Discord link on this page: tkh.one/contact . I know it's not https....
My friend for some reason wants 10k channels (he's very ambitious with his autocrafting) is there any way to make it bigger because apparently 2.3k isn't enough for him😂
Haha, that's a bit crazy but I like it! Well, I have a controller build video with 22k channels. It's difficult to build and manage but perhaps it can give some ideas or inspiration to your friend? Check the AE2 playlist and find the video there.
just curious are you french bc your accent makes you sound like that?
That was a bit unexpected because I'm Swedish ;)
@@therealtkh I'm sorry if I offended you. See if you have time do a let's play on MCeternal
@@Gibbynovo No worries. But I have no plans on new Let's Play's at this time, the interest has declined over the years so I'm doing random builds and other stuff instead :)
@@therealtkh ok np
Bro built the entire amazon server system. Pray tell, why would u ever need this
Without it you'd run out of channels very quickly
P2p me cant connect items tho?
How do you mean...? They can connect not only ME networks but also Redstone, power or items. I covered this in a previous video if that's what you mean.