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This. This is the useful part of TH-cam.
damny0utoobe gotta love that
YES
It’s so nice over here
I am a good worker. I come to work every day, I go the extra mile, get involved in some project, I know many jobs in my workplace. My schedule is extremely flexible since I have no kids or wife. I asked for a $1 raise, and I was rejected since my job is not considered as an "important", but only 2 other people know how to do my job. You can't learn about my job in seven days. Tomorrow I have an interview with another company. Their lost. Not mine.
Good
I hope it worked out! Sounds like it was their loss 👍
I found out the man I was training, who had no previous experiance in the field and had to be taught everything from the ground up, was getting paid $1.25 more than me the senior installer and department lead. Went to the boss about it and got told that corporate would only allow a $1 raise for me and that they couldn't afford more than that. Long story short, stopped training anyone, I bought a house in another city, got a new job, sceduled my two-week vacation, gave my 2 week-notice on the last day before my vacation, and left them completely in the dirt with no one even remotely qualified to take over my position and no one with experience willing to move to the area. I told everyone in the store what I was making before I left and had all they employees discussing their pay and outraged. We found out that many of the female employees were making significantly less than our male trainees and so many people left shortly after I did. Everyone also knew exactly how much my trainee made and refused to consider taking my postition without making $1.00 more than him or become trainees for less than equal to his pay. It was a beautiful experience. They could have just paid me an extra dollar an hour and I probably would still be working there, running the stores most profitable department without them having to lift a finger, but here we are. I wish my male trainee all the best though, even he went to our manager and said he'd look for a new job if they didn't start paying me more than him. Bless his heart.
I assume that you’re not a proofreader.
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As someone who has negotiated his salary twice, this was VERY GOOD information. When negotiating salaries you ABSOLUTELY have to be comfortable making another person uncomfortable. It's a hardball game and you bet I'm willing to give someone a hard time and possibly ruin someone's day to get an extra $10-20k per year.
@@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits I didn't leave a single thing out. You misunderstood the intent of my statement. Salary negotiations are for people that ALREADY have a solid foundation and have put in their time and paid their dues.
I have no idea why you would assume that I meant this for people applying for entry-level positions.
I'm as real as they come brutha! :-)
@@melmagallon6233 Brutal
You also have to hope that the person isnt like me.
If someone tries to play hardball and makes me uncomfortable my only reaction is “must not give them anything even if it means my companies downfall”
Luckily im self aware and know that isnt good for a company but there are definitely people that spiteful in positions of power.
Negotiate a salary when you are already currently employed. That way you can just walk out the door, no big deal. Definitely gives leverage.
exactly i just grabbed a job after being laid off due to covid. my last employer offered me $53k. my new employer asked me what i want. i told them i want what i was making at my last job. i told them $67k. they bought it. my next job i look for im asking $80k.
yeah, a company will fire you for asking for a raise after being employed there for 1 month because they see you as too demanding, good advice for getting fired quickly though!
@@luizcastro5246 where the fuck did you see “when employed for a month” in this comment?
@@luizcastro5246 They meant when you're interviewing at other companies. Why would anyone ask for a raise at the same company? Most of the time they won't give it anyways lmao
@@lashondamiller2982or you get a 3% raise which is basically a slap in the face
My salary negotiation goes like this:
1. I know how much I am worth in the industry I am in. I cannot believe people don't research that.
2. I ask for the full list of responsibilities.
3. Based on the responsibilities, I make my demand.
4. If my demand is not met but I need the job, I take the offer. Then, the second I find another job I quit explaining on my last letter exactly why, making reference to the date of the discussion, etc...
I have done this a couple of times and it is glorious.
to the first point, I don't think most people know how to do that and they are usually fed the line of *pick a job* and *work* , *not* pick a job and *try to squeeze the employer out of his money* . humans tend to want to be helpful; the schools are also based on the *Prussian model* which encourages workers who *ironically don't think cause they don't have the time for it* ... I mean why else do they design schools as prisons with fencing, no access from outsiders, and regimented schedules mostly out of your control? for safety? yes that's a byproduct... but not the intended function... they *prepare* you for *work* ... not *wealth* .
I mean most don't read Robert Kyosaki's work (which feels like an opposite to Dave Ramsey's advice of save, its 'spend others money') which talks about how the rich move, not just the poor... working off of what gave him wealth, not a suggestion of thought or dogma... though Dave got wealthy by making an asset and selling it... his advice.
also, I am going to take that list as well and use the hiring sites salary as a reference until I completely know my worth isn't completely based on that... though if they are willing to pay more, well, I am going to have a better life.
Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
“I know I’m making you a profit, you should be thanking me” humbling words almost no employer never wants to hear lol
Whenever the job ad says that they're searching for someone who gives not 100% but 150% and is a go getter and is willing to do overtime I also ask for a 150% salary.
They are often speechless, because they seem to be unable to understand that my time is literally my life and I don't want to waste it in a company and buy the CEO a new car lmao
Space Meter haha nice man
Space Meter True! It’s all relative, how much you work should be compensated fairly!
Damn Straight...Sometimes desperation leads us not to ask the serious questions on interviewers.
Yeah, they always act like it should be your dream and purpose in life to create decent software based on their dumb business ideas.
Exactly.I've worked in many different industries, and that's ALL it comes down to; who gets paid for YOUR work.Usually it's the middle managers, that is, presuming the actual managers are already taking their 200 percent.
LIE all you must.As long as you can do the work, they can rarely check it.
Here’s my biggest salary negotiation question that I never saw coming.
I interviewed with my current employer in an on campus interview while I was still attending school. But, they offered a different student the job starting at 40k. He declined. 6 months later, they reached out to my school again and asked if they had any recent grads to fill the vacancy. I applied. I figured 6 months has gone by and they are probably now desperate, so I asked corporate HR for 45k during my phone interview. Corporate HR told me “people in that department don’t usually make more than 40.”
At my in person interview in the branch I would eventually work at, Local HR asked what my desired salary is. I stuck to my guns and asked for 45. She looked up from her paperwork and said “is that all? are you sure?” I was not prepared. I came in ready to fight for that extra 5k, not be given an opportunity to ask for more. I should have taken the hint and changed it to 55k. I was caught off guard so hard that I didn’t know what to do. Biggest regret.
Wow the feels on that. She knows it's going to turn into an employment loop because she knew that position wasn't paying enough for the skills and experience it required. Meaning in another 6 months they will be trying to find someone else when you leave. xD
One that names the number first, is in worse negotiation position. When they ask, ask what their range is or what they are offering.....or say some BS like to deflect it.
I did something similar. I was asked what I wanted and I shorted myself. I said 12 and it was given to me without a fight. 2 and a half years later I'm only at 15.
Everyone has a pay range all over the place even old guys with pay below me.
That's why you should always say some crazy number you think you won't get, worst case you dont get it but at least you're never shorting yourself.
Should’ve asked for $1mil
Interesting, when they ask for past salary i always lie and give myself a super salary.
LMFAO!!! damn i have never thought that way.
GENERAL KENOBI
Fyi, HRs have a secret network and they do talk and they already know what your salary is. When you do that, they basically gauge how much you really want and if they can cover it. If it is too much, they simply won't give it to you and look at someone else who wants less.
It's actually against the law to ask for someone's past salary in my state(illinois). They may however ask what your desired salary is.
In europe its forbidden for past jobs to give away the salery amount you made to the new company its private and should always stay between the company and you... Sure me and my friends always talk about how much one another makes to gauge if we dont get ripped off so there is that.
Notes for myself
1) ask for a set of responsibilities.
2) make sure the company doesn’t overreach and ask you for total commitment beyond reasonable expectations.
3) make sure they have follow up steps after the interview.
4) research salary as salary negotiations start BEFORE the interview.
5) don’t give the new company your current salary info
5. Give them your salary: current one +30%
@@cipryan96 +20%* as many roles depending on sector include a 10% differential already
If they ask for current salary, I always add roughly 20-30k or ~20% ontop.
if they ask how much you made at your last company. You should ask, how much did they pay the last guy before they left
Your last salary: 70k
They say: 50k
You say you want now 80k
They say it s a good agreement for 60k
= Wrong strategy
Always put 20k on top
🤣🤣🤣 I hope someone does this & records it
Finally, someone that doesn't talk to their dogs like they are toddlers
Lol
I talk to dogs like they are toddles and toddlers like they are dogs.
Guilty as changed lol.... But it is a sausage dog so.....
@@AlbertBuckinghamEllison Nice
Doggies actually like being talked to like they're toddlers, after all wHo'S a GOoD bOYY, wHOs is a gOOD boYY
If I see any rules/policies prohibiting “moonlighting” or any “side projects/hustles”, I leave. It’s ridiculous. If they try to control ANY aspects of my life outside of work, or demand I come in on my days/time off, forget it.
The owners and managers of any company themselves have multiple sources of income.
Its stupid to not allow employees such.
"Competitive pay" means minimum wage....
And "Unlimited Vacation" means very limited PTO or else you're fired without severance pay.
Competitive pay for me has usually meant similar to higher end of market rate. Sometimes even Silicon valley rates.
@@beverlymontgomery9105 unlimited vacation is a joke except for in government jobs. but i do expect a min 1 month vacation per year cumulative that carries over to the following year.
competing with minimum wage lol
Y'all catchin on to how terrorists run the game. Let me help finish your education, read the book Rich Dad Poor Dad, the war is economic and dont forget it.
4:58 'wer're gonna need yopu to be 200% dedicated to our company!'
yeah right lol, but is the salary gonna be the 200%? hahahaha :D
Ikr
"No because we love our job and work overtime because we value what we do"
Yeah sure lol
@@spacemeter3001 If you value what you do you should ask more money for it but whatever haha
@@dubnationx86i Exactly 😁
@@spacemeter3001 u joke but gaming companies pull that shit all the time
Had my appraisal last week. When asked about salary I said
"I don't want to get into discussions about pay.
If you feel like I'm worth what you pay me currently then keep paying me that amount.
If you feel like I'm worth more than what you pay currently, pay me more"
I get to decide afterwards if I think that's enough.
Incidentally, I handed in my resignation for a better paid and fully remote project management job.
I'm done begging for payrises.
I think the best response is "I am compensated very well and am happy with current employer. Although if the right opportunity were to come along with competitive compensation, benefits, and the right environment I would consider leaving."
Yeah... I’m just gonna leave this comment here and screenshot this for future references :))
Did this for my current interview in the finance industry for a sales job. Panel interview turned into just me with the the reps. They asked some questions and I took control of the conversation once they realized I didn’t need the job. Hope to hear back from them soon just because they all still liked me enough to give me a tour of the place. Should hear back from them the latest tomorrow
@@kevinmarquez944 any updates?
@@FreelanceFadi They haven't called since :D.
I had 1 employer tell me I had to close my LLC and Sole Proprietorship in order to get the job and my response was that I refurbished old vacuum tube transceivers and TVs and I need to keep the companies to be legal when I sell them, it was my hobby at the time. They would not budge and I walked out. They called me back 30 + days later and said something could be worked out. F**K that sh*t and I told them to F**K off!!! If you want to work me overtime you will pay me overtime and I will still do side work in many fields. Diversity. My having side jobs never interfered with required overtime. Having my own companies was weather me starving and being homeless in-between jobs.
This should be talked about in school. Instead of underground lava being called magma.
I'd also like to see them cover legal areas from misdemeanors and felonies to workers' rights.
Yes and no, if the schools only teaches the essentials “life lessons” people are gonna be absolute morons and ignorants. Even now people dont believe in virus or that earth is not flat. It should be a balance in beetwen.
@@alech3284 that's only in America
@@johnapple6646 no, it also happens outside US
I'm from outside US
“The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.”
Always starting high is something that even experienced people don't know. It's literally your best tool that everyone has in Salary talks.
Building skills and experience, switching jobs and starting high are all keys imo.
Problem with that is fear they might reject you for it.
Read the book "Never Split The Difference, Negotiating Like Your Life Depends On It" By Chris Voss who is the FBI's Negotiator. Experts in business say this dude is the real deal. His book is also a best seller.
I did, I love that book
Literally got an ad for his master class before this vid.
Sergeant1127 me too man lol
Ty for the reco
TH-cam put 4 ads in. finally Josh getting recognized. get that bread my dude
I asked for a raise for 3 times and got an answer like: "We are a team, more profit we have, better are our salaries". Nothing more detailing on how it works, no numbers provided, nothing else was done (even arranging the next interview). What I learned is that if there is no commitment, it's a red flag. Thinking over a bit, I found that if there is a commitment that then failed, it's another red flag.
I recently asked for a video on this topic and here it is! Thanks, man.
While I did skip the beginning section, I do appreciate and understand why you are branching out in this way. I did watch the salary negotiation section and felt it was helpful. It's especially so by including your actual experience. Thanks for yet another great video!
I would never allow a company to dictate my off-work hours
Seriously, these negotiation videos and real life job related talk are awesome! Thanks
*pours monster energy drink into coffee on a Tuesday* *sigh* “it’s been a long week...”
Long month*
You forgot the whiskey.
Gin and tonic, with cranberry juice for me.
Sometimes, mentioning your salary can help. I was working at a university in tiny rich country for $60k (£45k) fresh out of college, but it's a dead-end job. You're supposed to do it for a year or 2, perhaps save some money for phd, then move on somewhere else. I interviewed for a UK-based company for a fresh-graduate position. HR told me their range is low £30's. Next round interview, I told them what I make at my current position and told them I need a competitive offer to consider the job. They offered me the exact amount I told them, plus bonus.
In retrospect, seeing that they offered the exact amount might mean that they would have paid higher if I requested. But the moral of the story is, companies play the same game too. If you asked them about their budget, they might go lower than they are expecting to pay, which can lock you to negotiating at the lower-end.
Tiny rich country: Monaco or Switzerland?
@@snarlymacsnarls488 why not Singapore?
@@rcoverc Gibraltar they use British money.
Part of the reason why you have an amount in your mind and then you hold your ground. Asking for the salary range they might say for example 70-90k, when in reality its probably 100-120k. You can always just respond saying "I am looking more in the range of around 110k", if they say no then that is that but sometimes they may come back and miraculously have negotiated internally that the budget was increased a day later lmao.
Larger companies have a salary range when hiring for a specific position, but that range is often set as a single number by HR. If you ask for more, you don't get past the HR gatekeepers. Sadly, it's the same way internally.
This. There's no such thing as negotiating
This is why you press for them to give the first number/official offer.
After they want you is when it's the easiest to call back and ask for "wiggle room" or say "is it possible for you to get closer to this other offer I have, as I mentioned earlier I am currently interviewing with others?"
You gotta play the game of life while be kind yet direct. If you have leverage and want to value your time as much as possible you will do yourself the favor and ask for more before signing at the very least.
The worst outcome is they say no if they've already showed their hand officially with a offer letter then you can accept that prior value.
"I don't want to sit in my office"
*Tries to go outside*
*Ends up back in office*
He lost that negotiation.
@11:45 I am always prepared for that question! If an employer asks me what I'm currently making or what I made at my last company, I always markup my current salary by 15-20% or so and then negotiate an extra 10%+ on top of my "current salary" or something along those lines. Might not be the best approach but it worked for me at my last couple jobs!
literally how i went from 60k-90k
@@rustydusty275 nice
But like how do you lie considering they ask for an official paper that presents your taxes and contributions for the last X months...they for sure can figure it out that u lie
@@popamihnea6695 I am in the US and I don't believe that is a common practice here -- at least not anymore. I have never been asked for tax information or anything like that for any job ever, and if asked I have the option to politely decline giving them that private information.
@@popamihnea6695 say no and if you don’t get the job be glad.
Literally Love This Channel
🔥🔥🔥 video, I’m in the process of finding a new job/company to work for, trying to max out that budget. Nice job getting both the livestream and video in!!
Love the shots in the beginning of the video and the portion of talking outside!
Love your channel. Not entirely relevant to my industry, but the information gives good general ideas, plus you're so earnest. I wish everyone could be so straightforward.
Hey dude. Include the dogs. They are cute. Thanks for the advice!
Yes listen to this man
Enjoyed this format! Thanks for the great information! I always feel uncomfortable asking about salary, but I think this helped.
Love this hybrid format, good job!
Thank you so much man for your videos. Just landed my first dev job coming from a tellecomunications background. Hustle hard!
I enjoyed both the traveling and the salary negotiation advice. Great job, Joshua!
I am really glad I stumbled upon your channel at random. Keep making useful content. Cheers!!
Just a tip: never talk about salary in the beginning because that's when you have the least value shown. Wait till the very end when they are excited about you and want to hire you. That's when you negotiate yout (higher) salary.
Job market today sounds rough! Thanks for your perspective.
That's helpful. Thanks man!
I *really* enjoy the quality and variety of educational videos on this channel. All I can say is *keep* *it* *coming* ! :)
Thank you for this. Really valuable in terms of negotiation.
Great explanation about complex things in a very simple language, Joshua!
I appreciate your thoughts . Very useful. Keep on the good videos. !
All of your advice is spot on good work
Solid Information here 🤙
Thanks for the information, Joshua!
I really enjoyed the format, I also think it was funnier for you as well.... Beautiful dogs, beautiful b-roll and beautiful knowledge. That's the content I didn't know I needed 🖤
It's amazing watching your videos, the way you're doing is amazing going different places and filming make it more relaxed and I don't get bored watching it.
Filming some bee-roll, heh
Huehuebue
But those were wasps. this is funnier. Its W-rolls
I lived in Massachusetts and every job I've ever interviewed at has asked me that question of what I was making at my current job. My answer was always "That's not the right question. I'm not leaving that company for the same pay. The question you want to ask me is 'What is it going to take to get you to move here from where you are?'. The answer to that question is $$$$." Usually I get balked at and only once have I been low balled counter after that and I ended that interview with "Well I'm not who you're looking for then. You need a junior person if that's what you have budgeted for this position good luck with your search."
Hey Josh, thanks for making this video. It's really good advice.
Man! You are saving lives, GLOBALLY! Thanks for sharing your precious tips bro!
Your videos are of good info. The way u roam around n share your experiences. Even when I get your new video notification, I just watch your video while having tea.☕ It's not like a tutorial video to sit in front of a laptop and what video with multiple pauses. Please keep sharing and thanks.
New valuble material so often... Keep grinding man💪
Good video man, thanks!
I appreciate your videos man. I have self evaluation issues in terms of my worth in the market based on education and experience. Listening to raw information is what I've been looking for and not being told I need to work super extra hard and never sleep or have a life in order to get decent pay.
At my current job (Jr Dev) when they asked me what I wanted for a salary I said $40k because I just really wanted the job and the experience. They gave me $45k to start and after 90 days gave me a raise to $50k. I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but I'm fresh out of college with a 2 year degree and I live in an area where the average Dev salary is $80k.
Better change job after 1/2-1 year, I guess?
Yeah get some experience for a year or two and build up your finances, then look for that next job that’s going to give you a big raise
How did you get the job?
@@ne9835 I applied and went through two interviews with them. Watching dev blogs like this helped me with keywords and knowledge of workflow that I wouldn't have had from just school alone which helped me land the job.
@@Zeakuro And people say that TH-cam is stupid. Good for you man, I don't know you but I'm legitimately proud of you dude.
great all around video. like the variety
Keep up the good work boss!!
Thanks bro, I 100% sure your advices will help me!
This man has Dr. Disrespect playing in the background 😂
Why would you not
Joshua Fluke touché
Yeah lose the distracting video game
Great information dude
We need you to be 200% dedicated to our company so we can pay you half your value
Nope. That's how you get bad workers. You wanna pay me 10/hr? That'll get you record and report. You want me to carry? That'll be anything above $10.50hr. You want me to confront, detain or do anything more? That'll be at least $15/hr. You pay minimum wage, you should have minimum expectations... (I work in private security for context.)
@@theblackcatvieweraccount5402 being paid to carry a gun and potentially detain a suspect should warrant the same hourly pay as local PD. 15 an hour is a fucking joke.
Helpful stuff.
This was a nice one. Make more outside videos Josh! What an amaing place Utah, beatiful.
Thank you sooo much ... we learn so many things from your videos which we dont get to see in other videos :)
actually, very helpful!
This video Has been helpful, thank you :)
This is straight facts! I am glad I have you Josh! New subscriber
I enjoyed the change of scenery, seemed like you had more fun with it
Very good information, thank you.
Big fan of the video format. Make whatever style of video you like, and we'll probably watch it
Good advice. Always start higher and negotiate a bit down.
I really love this random shot but still, what you r talking about is in the context.
It makes me like, I can just watch and enjoy the video even though I don't care too much about the content, OR I really need the main topic u r talking about and still enjoying the video. Love it, keep it up
Love this about interviews
I loved the travel part of the video !! maybe try doing more!
Thank you! Great video! Please get out more for your videos! I loved seeing you in a different scene. I also live in Utah/ work in slc. We have beautiful places here!
Don't forget the dogs!👍
Thanks for the insight.
Thanks.Got my final HR coming up and this will definitely help.
I like the idea of having a trial period with a lower salary to show the competence at work, they'll more than likely say "No" after the trial has ended and you demand for more pay - but if they were to claim sub-standard work then make sure to take pictures of a finished job. It might be a little harder to do with coding work, maybe MD5 checksum? Also, get everything in writing.
My Bro, uncovering the corporate mafia,
Love you Joshua, keep it up and best of luck.
I like how you are teaching us about serious important stuff and in the background Fornite is playing. :) Good vibes here
Change is good. keep it up Josh!
I've never added a comment before but I've found Josh's videos so real and helpful I wanted to say thank to him, so thank you Josh all the way from Adelaide Australia
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Great video Joshua, I liked that you showed a little bit of your life. I also liked the advice you provided regarding negotiations. One recommendation is at the end of the video it sounded like you didn't like recording videos. I would say keep it positive at the end and keep up the great work!
u rock josh
You had some great points. This video couldn’t have come at a better time, I’m about to get my offer letter and I realized the job was offered as a associate software engineer and was 20k under market value. Looks like I’ll be doing some negotiating before I sign. Thanks 👍
im glad i found your channel because the reactions i get to your videos is either hate or love.
great video! love the dogs. I've never seen any footage of utah before. It's nice to see that too.
Thanks. Never though about asking for their budget.
That's actually a good one.
That "lower salary at start with increase after 90 days" is actually great stuff.
Edit: I get it people, no need to comment further
Companies never do that.
I would never go for that. Chances are they will come up with reason not to give the increase.
Like 9 times out of 10 they won't do it, or maybe give you a minimal increase. Unless you get it in writing, not worth the risk. Stand your ground.
I had my literal manager essentially tell me "you signed the paperwork at the agreed wage. We have no right to increase it"
@@rafael502 That is 2 years old comment. I get it, let it go
Thanks for your videos
Sick cinematography. I dig it.
Car scene was great bro. Cool to see your city and your pup.