These seat brackets will help you achieve the correct angle - www.advancedsimracing.com/products/asr-side-brackets?gclid=Cj0KCQjw2v-gBhC1ARIsAOQdKY0G9czs83kDjDEoi9YJyn9N_fjY2etWWS5M_6RdWjQ58aVZZkftPBIaApIDEALw_wcB&aff=3
I bought these brackets to reach the angle from this video, and somehow my seat is less angled than before when I was using standard Sim Lab brackets…. I paid 200$ for these with shipping and import duties😐
I’ve watched many ergonomic setup videos, and read several websites, and this was hands down the best video I’ve seen on the subject. My lower back thanks you.
Daniel, OMG thank you for posting this vid. I have set up my rig according to your advice and WOW, what an amazing difference, no more back pain, no more leg cramps, no more aching arms ,, even on 50 lap races , Thank you so much.
Hi, I recently changed my steering wheel and pedals to Fanatec. So I went back to this great video to put everything back in its place, thanks!👍🏻 I just have a couple of questions: - How high should the pedals be from the seat? - Should the pedals be at 90 degrees to the floor? - Should my heel rest flat or at a few degrees on the base of the pedals?
I have my rig for more than 2 years now and i can say i had everything slightly in the wrong position, even though i researched a lot for how i should have positioned my setup but no one was this clear about how you need to do it. I love how you account so much for comfort, i knew something was wrong when i always felt pain in my lower back but i couldn't find out why. Thank you for this great guide
Thank you Daniel for such a valuable video. My aim is to replicate the real GT3 car seating position but couldn't find adequate info about angles and distance until now. Great that a pro driver shares his experience 🔥
Amazing! great content; such a frequent question asked in the sim racing community, and very cool to hear from someone who is a pro driver! Keep the great content coming. 😃
@@danielmorad I checked my measurments after watching this and mine was already pretty close, now I feel even better that its closer to the real deal 😃
@@danielmorad hi Daniel. Love your content and it has helped me allot. Thanks! But can you please clarify what the best position is for the pedal height in relation to the body?
Great content. I built my own rig out of aluminum tube and I'm blown away how close my seating position is without knowing any of this stuff before hand.
A big thank you! I use a Trak Racer TR160 for almost half a year and about a month ago I upgraded to a stronger DD and a pedal set with a hydraulic brake. Like many sim racers I had quite an upright seating position and my pedals were very low. While this is good for triple screens, since you are quite enclosed by your monitors this way, I actually was fidling around with my wheel angle and had difficulties driving GT3s with proper braking technique. Especially on ACC it was difficult for me to brake hard and then have enough fidelity to properly trail brake, since I was more or less pushing myself quite a lot up in my GT style seat. And I have to say I probably have one of the most stiff brake pedals on sim racing market (Asetek Invicta). Mind you, my new wheel and the pedals are awesome, I gained consistency within a week and also was already quicker on the tracks I race the most. But now? With your suggestions and measurements? Wow... just wow. On the Nürburgring I was almost 3 seconds faster on ACC hotlapping, my pace was about 2 seconds improved... and what is way more important, I am now veeeeeerrryyy consistent and managed to put down 1 hour races with only 2-3 laps with off-tracks... that's amazing! The reasons? When I brake hard I don't push myself up in my seat anymore, the force goes directly from my back into the seat and thus there is way less movement. Also the thing you said about the proper shoulder and arm positions... just gold. because I realized that I was not properly snug into the seat with my shoulders before, so like you said I was wiggling around with my shoulders when I had to do a lot of steering. And steering itself is another word: although I was driving far smoother already with my new wheel and DD-base, I am sure I am way more smooth and also calm in this new seating position... You know, I don't want to belittle the guys I usually follow in sim racing since they know what they are doing and also share their knowledge... but I actually think that most of them get this part of the hobby wrong... I think many of them set their rig more like their former office-chair setups with which most of us start. And I also think since most of them prefer quite soft brake pedals they don't really have any of the problems I had. Thank you, Mr. Morad, I really really appreciate this! With sim racing exploding and more and more peripherals and brands coming to the market in many shapes, forms and a fairer and wider price range, racing is now literally for everyone... and videos like these are extremely helpful!🙏
Been having a hard time mastering trail braking. And also some knee pain on longer sessions. So youve answered my question. Need to adjust my pedals better. Thank you
I am thankful that you made this insightful video. A couple of years ago I bought a mid-grade sim rig which came with an upright seat (as almost all rigs do) which destroyed my lower back. I only found out what I needed to do to eliminate the bad ergonomics through a very long and arduous journey of trial and error. The biggest thing I learned - and I can't stress this enough - is that the lower you want to position the seat, the more reclined your LOWER back needs to be while your upper back/shoulders remain upright. This is simply impossible with the poultry equipment they bundle with sim rigs as you can only recline the entire back of the seat, not isolate the lower back, which is a seating position that also leads to back pain as the wrong muscles get used. (I know because I've foolishly done this and experienced it myself!) The solution is to buy a pro-grade seat which has the required lower back angle built in - or simply RAISE the seat relative to the pedals to achieve a 90+ degree angle between your lower back and your thighs. I am shocked by the amount of people I've seen that have their seat positioned very low down and rougly level with their pedals while sitting upright. If that doesn't cause pain, I would bet money it is causing damage to their backs and they'll know about it in time. I can only hope that this trend changes as people become more aware of the importance of seating ergonomics.
I achieved a perfect, formula like seat position for me with a playseat challenge (the foldable one, which is not so foldable ever since) and must say, it is the most comfortable thing i haver ever used to sit in front of my computer. No stress on the spine, no pain, just comfy. I also angled the whellbase slightly downwards which helps a lot to lower the fatigue for arms and wrists. I mean, there is only one perfect way to sit and that is when you feel comfortable for longer periods, without pain or fatigue symptoms.
@@-row-garfield3129 nice! Ive seen those things, they look like they conform to your body while maintaining that 90 degree angle between your thighs and your lower back. Does the rig stay properly rigid when hard braking on a load cell pedal set?
I had to do my racing rig a bit backwards. I KNEW where the pedals were going to be when I built out my rig, so that came first. This is an all-wood rig, by the way. So then I had to measure out where my seat was going to go BASED on how my legs came off it and interacted with the static position of the pedals. THEN, once the seat itself was at the right angle and position, I had to figure out where the steering wheel felt most comfortable. It turns out, the plans I had put it too close to my belly, so I had to push it back 2 inches and raise it up 1 inch. I also altered the angle of attack of the wheel mount to point the wheel a bit further up towards my shoulders. I used all of these to custom-design the upright sides so that everything bolted on correctly. Then I had to put the side-pod on for my shifter. I really kinda wish I had put it a few inches closer to me, but it's totally within reach to shift. My rig is a personally-modified Ricmotech RS-1 but the wheel deck isn't made of MDF - it's made of particle-board shelf that I had on-hand. And the pedals aren't two MDF pieces, they're two SOLID WOOD pieces for extra strength. The whole thing got wrapped in subwoofer carpet material on the desk and the inside leg area and the side of the pedal bracket facing me. Everything else got the carbon-fiber treatment and I also finished it with black Arcade Trim. It looks REALLY NICE. And I have inverted pedals, just like a real car. Too bad everyone here is gonna hate on the fact that I have a Logitech G29 and shifter set. But you know what? Phooey on you! It's fun to play Gran Turismo 5 on my PS3 and American Truck Sim on my PC on this thing. I even got a 43" 4K TV mounted to it so the screen is almost exactly 33" away from my eyeballs. That's important because it gives me a nearly precisely 60° angle of view. My plan is to eventually get 2 more of those TVs and put them 60° off-set from each other to get 180° of total view in Assetto Corsa, Forza Horizon, and American Truck Sim.
There’s absolutely no judgement whatsoever. The entry point is pretty high in the Sim racing. I appreciate the effort you took to get your foot in the door and get going with it. The great thing is, you can always upgrade as you go. Enjoy it as much as possible.
Sounds like a dope rig man! And dope sweat the guys trashing the G29. For YEARS the infamous G27 was known for holding some of the world's record lap times across multiple sims. The "only" thing bad about Logitech older wheels is the fact that they're gear driven and have that notchy feel to em. Oh, and the worse part, is that they're overpriced to high heavens. $400, kiss my ass! My saved up a few hundred more and went straight to Fanatec. I bought a CSL Elite Wheels base as it's compatible on every platform I use but I ever so slightly regret it. If I started off with the G29 like I had bought for my dad, I could be rocking a three pedal setup along with an H-pattern shifter, handbrake and a rig to go with it for around the same price I spent on my current wheel alone. I find myself spending more time tweaking seating positions and messing with wheel settings more than I am driving. With the Logitech wheel I'd just set it forget it. But with the more expensive gear, there are so many more options to fiddle with! I should've gotten a job to test stuff and used that paycheck to hire someone to set everything up for me lol. I blame my office chair though. Using a quality wheel stand, with a decently powered wheel and a chair that swivels and doesn't lock at tue exact recline position is a pain in the ass. Every now and then I'll get it dialed in just right but being my office chair, once you move it and raise it back up....💡wow.....Ima get a marker and mark tue shaft where the seat feels best 🤦🏾♂️ why'd it take me this long to think about that.
Everytime I'm searching for new how-to's to improve my sim racing, I'm always met by a video from you. Thanks for all the great content Daniel, super informative.
That’s amazing to hear. I’m glad that my videos are getting suggested. It’s taking some time to grow the channel but step-by-step. We are reaching more Sim racers and racing fans.
Excellent guide, i always read to have the seat as upright as possible, but actually having it angled more gave me more comfort and now i'm more planted in the seat. Thanks!
I've been using a home-built rig my dad made YEARS ago for playing around with gran turismo. Realized my first endurance race that it had some MAJOR flaws, ended up with the worst calf pain and muscle spasms I've ever felt. Had no idea what to do to correct them, but I'm definitely overhauling everything now.
Hi Daniel, I want to thank you for this tutorial. I set up my cockpit/seat according to your instructions and it feels perfectly now.👍 I must say I would never set my seat this way if I did not find your guide. It felt weird for drivind at the beginning but after spending one evening in this setup I must say it is a gem.💎I feel completely one with my "car", driving feels much more natural than before. And my laptimes got better too. What a…✨
@@danielmorad Can you share what is the pedal base height compared to bottom of the seat ? I think that will conclude real GT3 racing seating possition fully. Thank you!
This is great, thank you so much. Turns out I severely underestimated the tilt on the seat. After re-adjusting EVERYTHING, I'm so much more comfortable now!
I’m so glad I found this video. I’m fairly new to sim racing and it basically showed me how wrong my rig was set up. I see people online talking about running their load cell brakes at or near max and me, a powerlifter with a very good squat, am burning my legs at 60-70%. Turns out the pedals are just too far away.
It's great to have some measurments from a real car, as reference points. I just compared to my own rig. Turns out, the angles of my seat and wheel are within a couple of degrees from yours. Pretty amazing. The way I set my rig up was to try and establish a floor line at the right height - comparing to pictures and diagrams I could find from GT3 cars. To make that work, I adjusted the seat angle so I was comfortable and able to push hard on the brake without straining my lower back. I also looked at my posture so I wasn't slouching in the seat. Kinda cool how this arrived at the same angles as you have.
This helped me fix my back pain while sim racing! Didn't even think about checking my back angle, since I've always thought GT style is really upright, and then after watching this I checked my seat back angle, it was 62 degrees, immediately raised the front and dropped it to 55, no more back pain lol
Oh man, you hit the nail in the head with this video. This is such a big topic for all of SimRacers. Thanks for sharing.. if you can, it would be great get some insights on the measures you would recommend between monitor and base + steering wheel and also the distance between seat that monitor. Thanks again mate
Thank you so much. That’s also a great idea. I can definitely do that. These are all great ideas and I love that the comments are generating new video topics for the future.
Thank you very much. I struggled mostly with the steering wheel distance and your suggestion really helped. My times in GT7 have improved. For simulation driving I use a 2 inch belt above the knee. That is to prevent my legs from spreading thus causing groin/hip discomfort.
Great video and these tips would make sense for normal road car driving, too. Too many young drivers think that it's cool to have seat as far rear as possible and they have to reach for the pedals and huntch their backs to be able to reach the steering wheel.
Thank you so much for this! I’m having trouble getting the ergonomics just right, especially the pedals, also in the cars that I drive, and was having knee pain problems… I will treasure this, thank you!
I really hope this video helps solve your knee issues. If you have any other issues, jump in the discord and share with our community. There’s so many people that I’ve gone through the same issues you have, and can share some really nice thoughts.
great video for anyone who struggles to get measurements. The best way to understand it quickly is your Chin in the same level with steering wheel. And of course the straight hands wrist rule. With lifted legs. I would say these 3 things are most important and the rest is up to your body and hight
Thanks so much for this. It really helped with that tip on the wrists... my wheel was a bit to high and it was making my wrist a bit sore. I thought it was just lack of muscles and practise. Great video. Have a awesome day
Not only great content, but also excellent delivery. Very clear, concise and to the point. The inclusion of setup angles is a massive help, thank you so much.
This is incredibly helpful, Daniel! Thank you for walking through the details here...and especially for the ergonomic reasons behind your recommendations.
This is amazing. Im new on this channel and i watched you last video and i wanted to ask you about all this and there you go you already have this video done. Thank you Daniel !
I try to adjust my Playseat Trophy for a few days now. It's tricky because everything is connected with screws, no moving parts. Also there are limits like wheel base height. Daniel I love your channel. Really great insights from a professional driver. I've seen lots of seating position videos and yours is far more educative than the others.
Thank you so much. Of course, some rigs will be a bit more tricky to adjust than others, but there will be many elements that you could take away from this to potentially find your ideal seating position.
@@danielmorad Yes and I did. Put my seat bit lower to match yours over 50 degree angle and it's a night and day difference. I also removed clutch from my pedals and aligned brake and throttle straight with my legs. Very comfortable now. Thanks :)
In my opinion: - for immersion make it as realistic as possible, even if its not the most comfortable. - for fun and learning how to drive your simrig, I think its better to start from a more comfortable position until you feel you want more immersion. I set up mine more like my street car, that does have factory recaro's, so the seat angle is pretty deep.
I think that blending the two together would ultimately lead to comfort and speed. Every race car is different, so there’s no need to feel like you need to drive in a certain position. We also have seat fittings and some driver sit at a different height. I don’t like to sit super straight up. I typically lean my seat backwards a bit more than others, but it’s really open to you to decide what feels most comfortable and how your joints lineup with your control units.
@@danielmorad Oh yeah, that would be ideal. Of course there are different cars, I meant, if someone really likes GT3/4, and thats what they mainly play/race, they should have a seating position more like yours, rather than something like mine that is set up like a street car seating position. which is more vertical than yours and the pedals are closer. For example.
I recommend using an air-wedge to add lumbar support, the kind used to help to hang doors, windows, etc. Cheap & gives you easy adjustability, particularly if you alter your seating position for different types of driving.
This is great, possibly just lacking one point? The one item I keep hearing differently often is how high your pedal/feet heels should be (not open cockpit). Same plane/level as where your glutes are seated? Lower/higher than that position?
You are 100% right. I’m getting that question a lot in the comments right now. I’m gonna answer every single one though, because I totally missed out on explaining it in the video. Typically, all the race cars I’ve driven are usually having the seat on the floor. Since the seat is on the floor, the heel goes on the floor and is inline with my butt.
@@danielmorad You may also consider writing a separate comment about it (not a reply), and pinning it in the comments section of the video. It will be the first thing that everyone who scrolls down into the comment section will see!
This video comes at a perfect time for me, had VRS pedals for a month now and was struggling to get my rig adjusted to suit them for myself, the points you made Daniel are such a big help!
@@danielmorad You are most welcome. It's refreshing to have a pro-driver perspective, rather than the usual/other way around. Hopefully, you've got a nice little niche ahead of you. Again....best of luck.
I know it is a long shot, but I have to ask... I know tou have a Spaco QRT-R, but since it (as most of the GT3/4 Seat cars) is not adjustable... can you recommend it to someone with backpains/lumbar herniated discs (not in an advanced state, just the incipient)? Or how does actually a racing driver handles this kind of situation?
New to the channel just wanted to say thank you! for all the information means a lot coming from a pro I have since built my own racing cockpit out of 2x4s using the exact measurements from my bmw and it feels way more realistic!
Very cool that you provide actual angles, Morad! I have always wondered whether my seating position resembles the actual real life GT and found out that I am off just by 1-3 degrees here and there…thanks a lot for this!
I have a bucket seat on my rig and cannot get anywhere near the angle for the seat to lean backwards. The base hits the side mounts before getting anywhere near
@@danielmorad ah, shame I already ordered some in the meantime. Although I will keep it in mind incase I don’t get the desired effect! Thanks for the video I’m sure I will be watching it a few more times while setting up the rig again again
Hi Dan, I love the content I watch every video of yours I’m wondering can you share what those mounting brackets are for your D box? I found some but only ship in the UK and I’m wondering how you got them and who makes them?
some nice tips but in the end all pers. prefrence . I have my seat not so far tilted backwards & i have my pedals way lower and not so steep . typicly more like in a normal roadcar . and as direct oposite to what you said i get kneepain with higher steeper pedals position like gt style , maybe cause i had some knee injuries in the past
@DanielMorad at 3:52 that is either gsync flicker/flash or a display issue or a cable issue. Notice your screens flash. Maybe look into it or get someone too 👍
This is super super informative! Thanks for great content like this. I was struggling with the angle of steering wheel and when I figured it out it make a hug comfort especially for endurance race.
I was wondering the same, but it depends on how you are measuring: relative to the horizontal or vertical axis? If you turn your phone upside down, you’ll get the other value, which should be equal to 90 degrees minus your initially measured value. If that makes sense…
If you look in the video to see where exactly I’m measuring on the back of the seat, that could potentially help, but you may be inverting the degrees.
Love the info and clarity. Thank you. Curious if you could share the distance from the floor to the bottom of your seat, and the distance to the floor to the bottom of your pedals plate (lowest point of both). I’m struggling to get the pedal height to feel natural. I just ordered a inverted mount kit which I think will help. Curious if I have them to low currently. Any info would be appreciated. Love content like this.
These seat brackets will help you achieve the correct angle - www.advancedsimracing.com/products/asr-side-brackets?gclid=Cj0KCQjw2v-gBhC1ARIsAOQdKY0G9czs83kDjDEoi9YJyn9N_fjY2etWWS5M_6RdWjQ58aVZZkftPBIaApIDEALw_wcB&aff=3
Hey could you clarify pedal height?
I bought these brackets to reach the angle from this video, and somehow my seat is less angled than before when I was using standard Sim Lab brackets…. I paid 200$ for these with shipping and import duties😐
Thank you legend love racing drivers
@@cordialesalu5323 You might have them on backwards. I just got an ASR rig, and the only picture they have of brackets shows them backwards.
Great content. Congrats on Daytona!! Well done!!!!! I was proud of you! I can only imagine what a victory that was.
I’ve watched many ergonomic setup videos, and read several websites, and this was hands down the best video I’ve seen on the subject. My lower back thanks you.
So happy that this video helped you out :)
Daniel, OMG thank you for posting this vid. I have set up my rig according to your advice and WOW, what an amazing difference, no more back pain, no more leg cramps, no more aching arms ,, even on 50 lap races , Thank you so much.
My pleasure! That’s so cool. I’m really happy that it helped you.
Hi, I recently changed my steering wheel and pedals to Fanatec. So I went back to this great video to put everything back in its place, thanks!👍🏻
I just have a couple of questions:
- How high should the pedals be from the seat?
- Should the pedals be at 90 degrees to the floor?
- Should my heel rest flat or at a few degrees on the base of the pedals?
I have my rig for more than 2 years now and i can say i had everything slightly in the wrong position, even though i researched a lot for how i should have positioned my setup but no one was this clear about how you need to do it.
I love how you account so much for comfort, i knew something was wrong when i always felt pain in my lower back but i couldn't find out why.
Thank you for this great guide
Thank you Daniel for such a valuable video. My aim is to replicate the real GT3 car seating position but couldn't find adequate info about angles and distance until now. Great that a pro driver shares his experience 🔥
I’m so happy to hear that. It would be cool if you share your end result in my Discord. We have a Sim rig channel. It would be great to see it.
@@danielmorad Sure. It's still in the making but as soon as I finish it I'll definitely share it.
It's great to get this information from a professional. Thank you for sharing with us.
Amazing! great content; such a frequent question asked in the sim racing community, and very cool to hear from someone who is a pro driver! Keep the great content coming. 😃
Thanks a lot. I missed one point about the pedal height. But I’m answering that question and a lot of the comments lol.
@@danielmorad I was just about to ask this, but I’ll look for the answer in the comments. Best of luck this year! 👊
@@danielmorad I checked my measurments after watching this and mine was already pretty close, now I feel even better that its closer to the real deal 😃
@@danielmorad hi Daniel. Love your content and it has helped me allot. Thanks! But can you please clarify what the best position is for the pedal height in relation to the body?
Great content. I built my own rig out of aluminum tube and I'm blown away how close my seating position is without knowing any of this stuff before hand.
A big thank you! I use a Trak Racer TR160 for almost half a year and about a month ago I upgraded to a stronger DD and a pedal set with a hydraulic brake. Like many sim racers I had quite an upright seating position and my pedals were very low. While this is good for triple screens, since you are quite enclosed by your monitors this way, I actually was fidling around with my wheel angle and had difficulties driving GT3s with proper braking technique. Especially on ACC it was difficult for me to brake hard and then have enough fidelity to properly trail brake, since I was more or less pushing myself quite a lot up in my GT style seat. And I have to say I probably have one of the most stiff brake pedals on sim racing market (Asetek Invicta). Mind you, my new wheel and the pedals are awesome, I gained consistency within a week and also was already quicker on the tracks I race the most.
But now? With your suggestions and measurements? Wow... just wow. On the Nürburgring I was almost 3 seconds faster on ACC hotlapping, my pace was about 2 seconds improved... and what is way more important, I am now veeeeeerrryyy consistent and managed to put down 1 hour races with only 2-3 laps with off-tracks... that's amazing! The reasons? When I brake hard I don't push myself up in my seat anymore, the force goes directly from my back into the seat and thus there is way less movement. Also the thing you said about the proper shoulder and arm positions... just gold. because I realized that I was not properly snug into the seat with my shoulders before, so like you said I was wiggling around with my shoulders when I had to do a lot of steering. And steering itself is another word: although I was driving far smoother already with my new wheel and DD-base, I am sure I am way more smooth and also calm in this new seating position...
You know, I don't want to belittle the guys I usually follow in sim racing since they know what they are doing and also share their knowledge... but I actually think that most of them get this part of the hobby wrong... I think many of them set their rig more like their former office-chair setups with which most of us start. And I also think since most of them prefer quite soft brake pedals they don't really have any of the problems I had.
Thank you, Mr. Morad, I really really appreciate this! With sim racing exploding and more and more peripherals and brands coming to the market in many shapes, forms and a fairer and wider price range, racing is now literally for everyone... and videos like these are extremely helpful!🙏
Thank you so much for taking the time to write an amazing comment. I’m glad to see it’s really paid off.
This has to be the best video I've seen in years in regards too setting up seat/wheel and pedal positioning. Appreciate it bro.
Oh man, thanks so much for the kind words
Been having a hard time mastering trail braking. And also some knee pain on longer sessions. So youve answered my question. Need to adjust my pedals better. Thank you
Awesome! Glad this video helps you out.
I am thankful that you made this insightful video. A couple of years ago I bought a mid-grade sim rig which came with an upright seat (as almost all rigs do) which destroyed my lower back. I only found out what I needed to do to eliminate the bad ergonomics through a very long and arduous journey of trial and error.
The biggest thing I learned - and I can't stress this enough - is that the lower you want to position the seat, the more reclined your LOWER back needs to be while your upper back/shoulders remain upright. This is simply impossible with the poultry equipment they bundle with sim rigs as you can only recline the entire back of the seat, not isolate the lower back, which is a seating position that also leads to back pain as the wrong muscles get used. (I know because I've foolishly done this and experienced it myself!)
The solution is to buy a pro-grade seat which has the required lower back angle built in - or simply RAISE the seat relative to the pedals to achieve a 90+ degree angle between your lower back and your thighs.
I am shocked by the amount of people I've seen that have their seat positioned very low down and rougly level with their pedals while sitting upright. If that doesn't cause pain, I would bet money it is causing damage to their backs and they'll know about it in time.
I can only hope that this trend changes as people become more aware of the importance of seating ergonomics.
I achieved a perfect, formula like seat position for me with a playseat challenge (the foldable one, which is not so foldable ever since) and must say, it is the most comfortable thing i haver ever used to sit in front of my computer. No stress on the spine, no pain, just comfy. I also angled the whellbase slightly downwards which helps a lot to lower the fatigue for arms and wrists.
I mean, there is only one perfect way to sit and that is when you feel comfortable for longer periods, without pain or fatigue symptoms.
@@-row-garfield3129 nice! Ive seen those things, they look like they conform to your body while maintaining that 90 degree angle between your thighs and your lower back. Does the rig stay properly rigid when hard braking on a load cell pedal set?
I had to do my racing rig a bit backwards. I KNEW where the pedals were going to be when I built out my rig, so that came first. This is an all-wood rig, by the way. So then I had to measure out where my seat was going to go BASED on how my legs came off it and interacted with the static position of the pedals. THEN, once the seat itself was at the right angle and position, I had to figure out where the steering wheel felt most comfortable. It turns out, the plans I had put it too close to my belly, so I had to push it back 2 inches and raise it up 1 inch. I also altered the angle of attack of the wheel mount to point the wheel a bit further up towards my shoulders.
I used all of these to custom-design the upright sides so that everything bolted on correctly. Then I had to put the side-pod on for my shifter. I really kinda wish I had put it a few inches closer to me, but it's totally within reach to shift.
My rig is a personally-modified Ricmotech RS-1 but the wheel deck isn't made of MDF - it's made of particle-board shelf that I had on-hand. And the pedals aren't two MDF pieces, they're two SOLID WOOD pieces for extra strength. The whole thing got wrapped in subwoofer carpet material on the desk and the inside leg area and the side of the pedal bracket facing me. Everything else got the carbon-fiber treatment and I also finished it with black Arcade Trim. It looks REALLY NICE. And I have inverted pedals, just like a real car.
Too bad everyone here is gonna hate on the fact that I have a Logitech G29 and shifter set. But you know what? Phooey on you! It's fun to play Gran Turismo 5 on my PS3 and American Truck Sim on my PC on this thing. I even got a 43" 4K TV mounted to it so the screen is almost exactly 33" away from my eyeballs. That's important because it gives me a nearly precisely 60° angle of view. My plan is to eventually get 2 more of those TVs and put them 60° off-set from each other to get 180° of total view in Assetto Corsa, Forza Horizon, and American Truck Sim.
There’s absolutely no judgement whatsoever. The entry point is pretty high in the Sim racing. I appreciate the effort you took to get your foot in the door and get going with it. The great thing is, you can always upgrade as you go. Enjoy it as much as possible.
Sounds like a dope rig man! And dope sweat the guys trashing the G29. For YEARS the infamous G27 was known for holding some of the world's record lap times across multiple sims. The "only" thing bad about Logitech older wheels is the fact that they're gear driven and have that notchy feel to em. Oh, and the worse part, is that they're overpriced to high heavens. $400, kiss my ass! My saved up a few hundred more and went straight to Fanatec.
I bought a CSL Elite Wheels base as it's compatible on every platform I use but I ever so slightly regret it. If I started off with the G29 like I had bought for my dad, I could be rocking a three pedal setup along with an H-pattern shifter, handbrake and a rig to go with it for around the same price I spent on my current wheel alone. I find myself spending more time tweaking seating positions and messing with wheel settings more than I am driving. With the Logitech wheel I'd just set it forget it. But with the more expensive gear, there are so many more options to fiddle with!
I should've gotten a job to test stuff and used that paycheck to hire someone to set everything up for me lol.
I blame my office chair though. Using a quality wheel stand, with a decently powered wheel and a chair that swivels and doesn't lock at tue exact recline position is a pain in the ass. Every now and then I'll get it dialed in just right but being my office chair, once you move it and raise it back up....💡wow.....Ima get a marker and mark tue shaft where the seat feels best 🤦🏾♂️ why'd it take me this long to think about that.
Everytime I'm searching for new how-to's to improve my sim racing, I'm always met by a video from you. Thanks for all the great content Daniel, super informative.
That’s amazing to hear. I’m glad that my videos are getting suggested. It’s taking some time to grow the channel but step-by-step. We are reaching more Sim racers and racing fans.
Excellent guide, i always read to have the seat as upright as possible, but actually having it angled more gave me more comfort and now i'm more planted in the seat. Thanks!
No problem at all! Glad this has helped you
Best guide! I went from back pain to new best lap time. thank you!
Great to hear! It’s so true that comfort leads to improved laptimes
I've been using a home-built rig my dad made YEARS ago for playing around with gran turismo. Realized my first endurance race that it had some MAJOR flaws, ended up with the worst calf pain and muscle spasms I've ever felt. Had no idea what to do to correct them, but I'm definitely overhauling everything now.
Awesome to hear. Enjoy
Hi Daniel,
I want to thank you for this tutorial. I set up my cockpit/seat according to your instructions and it feels perfectly now.👍
I must say I would never set my seat this way if I did not find your guide. It felt weird for drivind at the beginning but after spending one evening in this setup I must say it is a gem.💎I feel completely one with my "car", driving feels much more natural than before. And my laptimes got better too. What a…✨
Thanks for the video. On my rig I added a slider to the seat and highly recommend it.
Nice. It’s good for if others drive your rig.
Finaly someone who can share real angles and positions. Thank you!
It’s cool to be able to get this data to pass along
@@danielmorad Can you share what is the pedal base height compared to bottom of the seat ? I think that will conclude real GT3 racing seating possition fully. Thank you!
This is great, thank you so much. Turns out I severely underestimated the tilt on the seat. After re-adjusting EVERYTHING, I'm so much more comfortable now!
I’d say it’s THE BEST answer on the subject “correct seat position in sim racing sim rig”. Saved it
Yes. Whatever you said lol. Let’s go with it haha.
I’m so glad I found this video. I’m fairly new to sim racing and it basically showed me how wrong my rig was set up. I see people online talking about running their load cell brakes at or near max and me, a powerlifter with a very good squat, am burning my legs at 60-70%. Turns out the pedals are just too far away.
Amazing. Happy to help you out.
It's great to have some measurments from a real car, as reference points. I just compared to my own rig. Turns out, the angles of my seat and wheel are within a couple of degrees from yours. Pretty amazing. The way I set my rig up was to try and establish a floor line at the right height - comparing to pictures and diagrams I could find from GT3 cars. To make that work, I adjusted the seat angle so I was comfortable and able to push hard on the brake without straining my lower back. I also looked at my posture so I wasn't slouching in the seat.
Kinda cool how this arrived at the same angles as you have.
That’s awesome! You really can do your own research like that and figure it out. Great job.
Yes! This is gold 🫡‼️
Hopefully it helps the sim community
This helped me fix my back pain while sim racing! Didn't even think about checking my back angle, since I've always thought GT style is really upright, and then after watching this I checked my seat back angle, it was 62 degrees, immediately raised the front and dropped it to 55, no more back pain lol
That’s awesome. It just took the pressure off your back and probably filled the pocket in your lumbar area.
Oh man, you hit the nail in the head with this video. This is such a big topic for all of SimRacers. Thanks for sharing.. if you can, it would be great get some insights on the measures you would recommend between monitor and base + steering wheel and also the distance between seat that monitor.
Thanks again mate
Thank you so much. That’s also a great idea. I can definitely do that. These are all great ideas and I love that the comments are generating new video topics for the future.
Thank you very much. I struggled mostly with the steering wheel distance and your suggestion really helped. My times in GT7 have improved. For simulation driving I use a 2 inch belt above the knee. That is to prevent my legs from spreading thus causing groin/hip discomfort.
Just started simracing recently and trying to build up my first rig,this is really helpful,thank you!
Awesome! Enjoy the journey :)
Great video and these tips would make sense for normal road car driving, too. Too many young drivers think that it's cool to have seat as far rear as possible and they have to reach for the pedals and huntch their backs to be able to reach the steering wheel.
Just built a 40/120 rig and once again referenced this video to set everything up. Amazing work mate, thanks.
Glad I could help!
great video, here we go adjusting the rig again!
Have fun! Lol
This is extremely handy, I have this exact seat, so those angles will make a nice first-attempt at a half-decent seating position.
Good stuff man! More content, please.
Videos every Wednesday for the next year!
Lumbar support was a game changer for me. Well worth the small investment (bought a decent one on Amazon )
Thank you so much for this! I’m having trouble getting the ergonomics just right, especially the pedals, also in the cars that I drive, and was having knee pain problems… I will treasure this, thank you!
I really hope this video helps solve your knee issues. If you have any other issues, jump in the discord and share with our community. There’s so many people that I’ve gone through the same issues you have, and can share some really nice thoughts.
great video for anyone who struggles to get measurements. The best way to understand it quickly is your Chin in the same level with steering wheel. And of course the straight hands wrist rule. With lifted legs. I would say these 3 things are most important and the rest is up to your body and hight
Just built my first rig yesterday and this is super helpful thank you!
Glad it helped :) enjoy the new rig.
Great video. I will be making some big changes to my rig, thank you
Glad to help. Enjoy it man.
I was looking for a video on sim racing ergonomics, I saw a few, but this one is the best :D Explained in detail with helpful tips :)
Awesome! Glad this helped you out.
Since moving to 8020 this has been the bane of my life!!! Thanks for the video.
My pleasure!
Thanks so much for this. It really helped with that tip on the wrists... my wheel was a bit to high and it was making my wrist a bit sore. I thought it was just lack of muscles and practise. Great video. Have a awesome day
Great! What about pedal height? Do you have any input for that one?
Not only great content, but also excellent delivery. Very clear, concise and to the point. The inclusion of setup angles is a massive help, thank you so much.
Much appreciated!
Thanks, very useful info for me setting up my first rig.
The 14° angle helped me get the right height and distance. Cheers 🍻
My pleasure.
Thanks Daniel, I was just reviewing my seating position and this was exactly the kind of information I was looking for.
Awesome. Happy I could help with this video.
Loves the explanations, plus you can understand it better when you can actually see it from the third person.
Glad it helped you out
Incredibly helpful video- I've been messing with my position for the last few weeks and this is an excellent guide!
Great to hear!
That was a brilliant video, really good information for me as I've only been SIM racing a few months,new subscriber,thanks
Welcome aboard!
Thank You! Specially the angles of the seat I was looking for a long time.
Awesome. Glad this video helped
Great to put a face to the name Daniel, been using your Simucube profiles for a very long time, nice work all round.
Very good information. Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure
Your video's are truly awesome. Your experience in real life makes it all more worthy, and you have the ability to put it into clear words. Kudo's!
This is incredibly helpful, Daniel! Thank you for walking through the details here...and especially for the ergonomic reasons behind your recommendations.
Glad it was helpful! My pleasure.
This is amazing. Im new on this channel and i watched you last video and i wanted to ask you about all this and there you go you already have this video done.
Thank you Daniel !
I try to adjust my Playseat Trophy for a few days now. It's tricky because everything is connected with screws, no moving parts. Also there are limits like wheel base height.
Daniel I love your channel. Really great insights from a professional driver. I've seen lots of seating position videos and yours is far more educative than the others.
I had some issues with my 80/20 rig. I moved to a Motionsimulation ergonomics rig. It’s takes all my pain away.
Thank you so much. Of course, some rigs will be a bit more tricky to adjust than others, but there will be many elements that you could take away from this to potentially find your ideal seating position.
@@danielmorad Yes and I did. Put my seat bit lower to match yours over 50 degree angle and it's a night and day difference. I also removed clutch from my pedals and aligned brake and throttle straight with my legs. Very comfortable now. Thanks :)
In my opinion:
- for immersion make it as realistic as possible, even if its not the most comfortable.
- for fun and learning how to drive your simrig, I think its better to start from a more comfortable position until you feel you want more immersion.
I set up mine more like my street car, that does have factory recaro's, so the seat angle is pretty deep.
I think that blending the two together would ultimately lead to comfort and speed. Every race car is different, so there’s no need to feel like you need to drive in a certain position. We also have seat fittings and some driver sit at a different height. I don’t like to sit super straight up. I typically lean my seat backwards a bit more than others, but it’s really open to you to decide what feels most comfortable and how your joints lineup with your control units.
@@danielmorad Oh yeah, that would be ideal. Of course there are different cars, I meant, if someone really likes GT3/4, and thats what they mainly play/race, they should have a seating position more like yours, rather than something like mine that is set up like a street car seating position. which is more vertical than yours and the pedals are closer. For example.
I recommend using an air-wedge to add lumbar support, the kind used to help to hang doors, windows, etc.
Cheap & gives you easy adjustability, particularly if you alter your seating position for different types of driving.
Air wedge?
Thanks Morad, finally can do simracing without any strain after a long session, really helpful 👍
This is great, possibly just lacking one point? The one item I keep hearing differently often is how high your pedal/feet heels should be (not open cockpit). Same plane/level as where your glutes are seated? Lower/higher than that position?
You are 100% right. I’m getting that question a lot in the comments right now. I’m gonna answer every single one though, because I totally missed out on explaining it in the video. Typically, all the race cars I’ve driven are usually having the seat on the floor. Since the seat is on the floor, the heel goes on the floor and is inline with my butt.
@@danielmorad You may also consider writing a separate comment about it (not a reply), and pinning it in the comments section of the video. It will be the first thing that everyone who scrolls down into the comment section will see!
Great video! I'll definitely be putting these tips to use tonight.
Awesome! Happy to help.
Extremely helpful video, easy to understand and follow. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Good insight. Adjusted my rig, an hour plus to change but definitely feels better :)
Awesome!! Would love to see what you’ve done to it. Post it up in my discord under the sim rigs tab.
@@danielmorad Will do
This video comes at a perfect time for me, had VRS pedals for a month now and was struggling to get my rig adjusted to suit them for myself, the points you made Daniel are such a big help!
Awesome! Glad it helped. Share your rig in my discord. Would love to see it
Thank you Champ !! I have to lower my wheel deck a bit my wrist is been suffering for few days
Thanks, the best clip about seati g position
Thank you so much
This is great - my lower back pain is gone!
Really enjoying this channel - best of luck with it moving forward - keep up the great work.
Thanks so much. I’m really enjoying this process. Love sharing my experience.
@@danielmorad You are most welcome. It's refreshing to have a pro-driver perspective, rather than the usual/other way around. Hopefully, you've got a nice little niche ahead of you. Again....best of luck.
Thank you so much Daniel, it's exactly the video i was looking for, explained really precisely and professionally 👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
I know it is a long shot, but I have to ask... I know tou have a Spaco QRT-R, but since it (as most of the GT3/4 Seat cars) is not adjustable... can you recommend it to someone with backpains/lumbar herniated discs (not in an advanced state, just the incipient)? Or how does actually a racing driver handles this kind of situation?
New to the channel just wanted to say thank you! for all the information means a lot coming from a pro I have since built my own racing cockpit out of 2x4s using the exact measurements from my bmw and it feels way more realistic!
Love it! Very informative.
Thanks Barb!
This video is set to go viral . I’ve come back like 5 times in 2 days 😅 loving the channel man. Love the interaction . Give ya boy a shoutout! Haha
Thanks so much!! This one seems to be super helpful haha
Great content mate
Thanks a lot!
Love this 🔥🔥 love the gloves and merch too
Thanks so much!
Perfect for GT racing and his body type. Riiiiiiight.
Perfect timing on this one. Thank you for the tips.
Awesome! Glad this helps you out :)
Very cool that you provide actual angles, Morad! I have always wondered whether my seating position resembles the actual real life GT and found out that I am off just by 1-3 degrees here and there…thanks a lot for this!
That’s awesome. You can get it pretty close if you just look at pictures. Glad you have it all sorted.
@@danielmoradyeah the angles help a ton. Just give you some starting point and an idea of what the real deal is angled at.
meanwhile im racing in my leather office comfy chair, lowered as much as possible to the ground 🤣
Literally, I use a lazy boy and it gets super hot after an hour of racing🤣
Same 😭😭
Saaame@@GONEHIDDEN
True and real
I have a bucket seat on my rig and cannot get anywhere near the angle for the seat to lean backwards. The base hits the side mounts before getting anywhere near
Side brackets from advance SimRacing will help. Discount code MORADNESSFIVE and you get 5% off. They’re cheap anyway. But very nice ones
@@danielmorad ah, shame I already ordered some in the meantime. Although I will keep it in mind incase I don’t get the desired effect! Thanks for the video I’m sure I will be watching it a few more times while setting up the rig again again
Seems I was set up correctly. Thank you for the confirmation.
This was great! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic video, thanks! Would anything be different for rally or is it roughly all the same?
Very useful information. Thanks a lot 🙏
Thanks and you’re welcome :)
Thank you for the video! It is really informative and helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
This video is incredibly well done
Thank you! 😁😁
Hi Dan, I love the content I watch every video of yours I’m wondering can you share what those mounting brackets are for your D box? I found some but only ship in the UK and I’m wondering how you got them and who makes them?
Thanks so much! They’re actually brackets from Advanced SimRacing. You can get them on their site and also get 5% off with the code MORADNESSFIVE
some nice tips but in the end all pers. prefrence . I have my seat not so far tilted backwards & i have my pedals way lower and not so steep . typicly more like in a normal roadcar .
and as direct oposite to what you said i get kneepain with higher steeper pedals position like gt style , maybe cause i had some knee injuries in the past
As long as it works for you, then it’s great. 👍
@DanielMorad at 3:52 that is either gsync flicker/flash or a display issue or a cable issue. Notice your screens flash. Maybe look into it or get someone too 👍
I will check it out
@@danielmorad good luck mate
Welcome back! You have a good time in Sebring? Crazy end of the race for sure.
I’m not back yet. I’m actually currently away testing at the moment. I will be back for the weekend though for the iRacing 12 hour at Sebring.
Thank you for this, worth the wait
Thank you! I’m enjoying these a lot.
This is super super informative! Thanks for great content like this. I was struggling with the angle of steering wheel and when I figured it out it make a hug comfort especially for endurance race.
Awesome! Glad this helped you out.
Thank you, really appreciate your input on proper positioning.
My pleasure! Glad this will help you!
Great info! Thanks for sharing. I love the small details you mentioned and that will definitely help with my setup. Much appreciated!
Thanks a lot! Glad it’s helping out! 😁
Big time! See you this weekend at Sonoma, hope the rain holds off…
1:01 I recognize this track from gran turismo
I started on GT. Fun game back in the day.
Great video! But the 53 degrees is weird to me, is it the same measure system like in the EU? I mean with 53 degress I am almost lying in the seat
I was wondering the same, but it depends on how you are measuring: relative to the horizontal or vertical axis? If you turn your phone upside down, you’ll get the other value, which should be equal to 90 degrees minus your initially measured value. If that makes sense…
If you look in the video to see where exactly I’m measuring on the back of the seat, that could potentially help, but you may be inverting the degrees.
@@david_haas_ if yoi invert it becomes 37 degrees. Too much anyway. Don't understand how those 53 degrees were taken
What a jewel the video, super valuable information. Thank you very much Daniel.
My pleasure!
Love the info and clarity. Thank you. Curious if you could share the distance from the floor to the bottom of your seat, and the distance to the floor to the bottom of your pedals plate (lowest point of both). I’m struggling to get the pedal height to feel natural. I just ordered a inverted mount kit which I think will help. Curious if I have them to low currently. Any info would be appreciated. Love content like this.
Are you going more to a GT like position or towards a formula/LM prototype posture?