El framerate de este video se ha medido con una herramienta interna del modelo PG32UQ de Asus, que nos permite calcular los fotogramas en tiempo real incluso con VRR, algo que no es posible con capturadoras actuales: twitter.com/analistadebits/status/1522132726069010432 The framerate of this video has been measured with an internal tool of the Asus PG32UQ model, which allows us to calculate the frames in real time even with VRR, something that is not possible with current capture devices: twitter.com/analistadebits/status/1522132726069010432
Imaging If you could play Forbidden West at almost 50fps like ratchet, that would be awesome cuz the Fidelity mode really has an advantage over Performance in quality, at least If you have a nice gaming Tv you can notice it more, eventhough I think that ratchet was hitting 50fps cuz It already runs at 40fps, but I might be wrong tho
@@killrblue Most of console players are not 60 fps maniac. Feels smooth? Yes. So why we wouldn't play in fidelity mode with native 4k and stunning graphic? 40 fps mode from insomniac games was already a big change compared to 30 fps now its perfectly fine to enjoy and play with variable refresh rate : )
VRR is not increasing the frame rate. They simply unlocked the frame rate because VRR can now hide such massive fluctuations and dips. So this game could have run at this frame rate the whole time, but because VRR wasn't available they capped it to 60fps.
@@johannessguten2527 Fidelity FX Super Resolution and especially full RDNA2 GPU resource saving features like Mesh Shaders, Variable Rate Shading & Sampler Feedback Streaming will be huge this generation even on their own, let alone when all being used together. FSR allows the GPU of the PS5 or Series X to render the games graphics at 720p-1080p but display them at 4K saving GPU resources from having to render the graphics at Native 4K. But the full RDNA2 features of the Series X will free up GPU resources even further by using the tech features listed to draw the graphics using much less GPU resources than before. Boosting GPU performance by up to an additional 35+%. The games using full RDNA2 + FSR are going to look incredible.
@@nongmaithemavinash3977 I were talking about graphics & performance from both these new consoles in general, short bus. Some people can talk about both consoles without thinking "fanboi" bs, son. You're projecting, kid. Don't let the reality of what I said hurt you, little fella. Just think about it from interest in the tech or from the perspective of an actual gamer rather than a "fanboi" and you should be far less triggered.
3:08 The headroom on the fidelity mode is insane. Makes you realize how much console performance devs have to sacrifice before getting a locked 30 fps. If it was on PC I would just leave it unlocked VRR or not XD
The headroom is needed for a locked experience, at least 10 frames more, but the ideal number is mostly 15 frames, It depends on the 1% low they get when testing the game to be sure It will never drops lower then the target.
It's probably due to v-sync being turned off in VRR mode, so the PS5 GPU delivers frames as fast as possible and due to the "built-in" headroom for a consistent 30fps lock.
@@PursuedByAMemory I wouldn't think v-sync would have slowed down a 30 frames target game though, since PS5 only needs to deliver a new frame after every 2 refreshes of the 60 Hz screen and you would expect the delivers to push resolution and graphics until they can't deliver that in time. Idk... v-sync is confusing.
@@nguxurr9667 Well compared to it's competitor the PS5 performs worse in most titles. Sometimes the difference is pretty big, e.g. a recent example is Dying Light 2 which is locked to 1080p 60fps in performance mode on PS5 while Xbox Series X offers 1440p 60fps - that's twice the pixel density. In general there are a lot of games which target higher quality or resolution on Xbox. In a few titles PS5 performs better for a couple weeks until the Xbox version is patched (and in some cases outperforms PS5 then, e.g. AC Valhalla or GTA Trilogy).
One has to account for Low Frame Rate Compensation built into HDMI 2.1 - it can report double or triple the framerate. The new El Gato VRR logging will report the same double or triple of the framerate.
@@caralosmendezgomez9048 don't be stupid, dude. A RTX 3080 costs MUCH MORE than a PS5 and you also need other hardware. PC costs WAY MORE than a console.
Pro-tip: Older HDMI 2.0b displays can support PS5 VRR when using "Freesync Ultimate" setting. If it's not working for you, try using a different HDMI input. Some of the HDMI 2.0b displays have a particular HDMI slot designated for higher bandwidth.
@@KINGSHAQxYAHUDAH why 40 FPS? Just unlock it and allow VRR to do its thing. If TV's do not support VRR force it to 30 FPS like normal. If it falls below the 48Hz threshold then allow dynamic resolution or FSR to kick in and push it back past 48 FPS. Simples.
The star of the show is still Performance RT mode in Spidey and R&C. Not only is the fps through the roof but the image quality is absolutely pristine. My eyes popped when I launched the games after the update :)
Native 4K at 50-60 FPS is INSANE for a game with so much detail and in such a large world. If every studio worked as hard as Insomniac we'd have good AAA games again
Devil may cry 5 can't even hold a steady 120fps at 1080... You're defiantly not getting native 4k with newer titles. It's probably more like dynamic 4k
Impossible native 4k at 50/60fps with ps5/xboxSX in AAA games, not even with 3080ti you can do it on some titles and in the future it will be even worse, maybe with ps6. 😅 (I have ps5 and pc with 3080ti)
This is the best that had happened to PS5 so far, Im so happy to play in Fidelity mode finally with 60fps feeling on both Spiderman and Ratchet. Only Horizon is missing from this list to make PS5 the best next gen console so far.
Yo he jugado ha Nintendo NES en mi monitor Acer predator a 60hz con un convertidor hdmi¿Eso quiere decir que me funciona a 60 FPS? ¿Mi Nintendo NES tiene VRR? .¡Por favor...!
This VRR update makes me want a ps5 real bad. 30 fps > 50fps 60 fps > 90fps Nothing is capped at 30 anymore. Devs can target various framerates while maintaining great graphics.
so here is my opinion, sorry if my english bad. why the games get extra performance with the vrr enable? because the develover capped (limit) the fps 30 (for fidelity) and 60 (for performance/ rt performance) so it cause no tearing or stuttering. the monitor or tv on common only know the 30 60 and 120hz, below that you might get stuttering and if above that you might get tearing. with this vrr the dev can push the gpu power to its limit and no limitation from "capped" frame rate. so the vrr is not the "boost" but it help the hardware to show their true power.
que llamativo que en la demo del robot de ps5 vaya clavado a 60fps con vrr on a pesar de la baja carga gráfica, y eso tiene una explicación y es que seguramente ese sea el único juego que vaya clavado a 60fps y el vrr no tiene que 'corregir' nada, que para lo que sirve el vrr para evitar el tearing en los bajones de frames (o en alzas en juegos de pc con los fps desbloqueados) y hacer que los Hz coincidan cuando se muestre un frame. Por ejemplo si un juego baja a 40fps te sube los hz a 80 para que coincidan 2hz por cada frame y no te de un mal efecto de tearing en pantalla
What is the power consumption in Ratchet and clank and Spider man in fidelity mode / RT performance mode with uncapped frames? :) maybe You can do short film about consoles power consumption?
@@brandon_nope i know. Im just quite curious because highest consumption i could get was im R&C in the cosmic bar. There is sitting some kind of sheep im from on the bar, and in Photo Mode when You zoom into her furr console can eat up to 245 Watt:) it is in fidelity Mode capped to 30 FPS as i dont have 120hz tv.... It makes me curious wher Sony engineers set the watt limit.. It wont be on 350 level of course, as psu shouldn't excess c.a 80% of its top wattage and console itself need to have Reserves to e.g power upcoming psvr2. So as i said. Its just me and my curiosity :)
Pues yo no se si será verdad, pero en los vídeos noto mas fluido los 60 que los supuestos 75-90... minuto 1:10 en la izquierda mientras gira se ve todo perfecto, mientras en la derecha que se supone va a 80 fps hay muchos microsaltos. Es posible que aunque sea verdad que va a 80 fps haya mucho mas stuttering ?
Eso pasa porque no está sincronizado el video con el juego para eso sirve el vrr, para sincronizar los fps con los hz de la pantalla y no existan errores graficos como stuttering.
Nope thats not an fps boost. The developers just unlock the frame rate, the normally lock the frame rate to hide the fluctuations and drops. The vrr just allow that extra frames to look smooth by adjusting the refresh rate in you screen.
Ps5 monster? VRR works only on selected TVs not on gaming monitors🤮 I have the ps5 and a 144hz 2K monitor, Ps5 does not support 2k and VRR on gaming monitors Xbox does all of that day one….
@@BlancoMD what about ratchet and clank? Its a new game and still had good performance and dont forget the ray tracing I'll say that pretty impressive no matter what you say. Not sure if what you're saying about the VRR is true but it still doesn't mean the performance is poor when it is available, and those thing can get patched anytime.
@@ElAnalistaDeBits Rift Apart also has it, I found it to be incredible, maybe the best mode since the VRR update, it's pretty much 100 fps and looks sharper than RT mode.
Uncapped RT Performance with it's dynamic resolution seems to stay way over 60fps. Does it mean that it always remained at fixed 1440p resolution the whole time?
I had to leave another comment because I also have a Series X but seeing what sony is doing, they are making VRR better on Playstation compared to Series X, especially in fidelity modes. This really is a game changer for Sony
Lol what? VRR in PS5 is absolutely lacking. A crap per game solution instead of hardware forced on everything. 120 FPS games on Playstation can barely keep their FPS in the 100's. Add the new features they will need in next gen games and here we have a disaster.
@@VTorner halo infinite at 120fps is dynamic 1440p goes below 1080p and the frame rate also can dip quite hard and doesn't have RT. Yet these games can do dynamic 1440p stay above 1080p with RT and still have really high frame rate. So yea it is very impressive.
Great analysis you only missed deathloop that added ultra performance 1080p up to 120 FPS with VRR 👌 now thanks to VRR we can finally see the huge headroom which Is 50% of unused power And that's without the hardware features of ps5 which will further boost the power and performance. Native 4k up to 60 FPS with 4k resolution on the Ray tracing reflections and 1440p Ray tracing reflections with 100+ Frames mind blowing. Insomniac are the best PS5 Is a beast In Mark Cerny we trust
@@jayzeta150 unfortunately I think @Raios Rogue was already being “that guy”. He literally said “PS5 is the best” and “in mark cerny we trust” like it’s some cult following lmao
Ps5 is like having mid grade amd hardware in a pc. Defiantly not a beast and good luck getting native 4k at 60fps unless it's a game like quake or centipede...
Está genial que desbloqueen el framerate en tantos juegos. Lo único que no me gusta es que solo tiene VRR por HDMI Forum, dejándonos fuera a los que tenemos VRR por AMD freesync en HDMI 2.0
@@Danielit0h92 es el estándar que tiene HDMI, como tú TV es 2.1 puedes usar VRR con o sin Freesync. Existen displays HDMI 2.0 que pueden usar VRR mediante freesync o gsync, y Sony dejó afuera esas opciones.
@@eliteshergio7375 Que complicado todo, la Cx yo tengo la opción Amd Freesync premium activada. Quieres decir que hay paneles con estas opciones, pero al no ser 2.1 se quedan fuera? Pues vaya putada...
@@Danielit0h92 eso mismo, yo uso VRR en mi laptop (hasta 144Hz) y mi Xbox (hasta 1440p 120Hz) sin problemas, pero PS5 dice que el mismo monitor no es compatible :/
@@eliteshergio7375 Different VRR formats Unfortunately, there is not just one variable refresh rate format. VRR started in the PC gaming domain, where two graphics card manufacturers - AMD and Nvidia - are locked in an eternal battle for supremacy, and each has its own VRR format: AMD's is called FreeSync and Nvidia's is G-Sync. If you are a PC user, the VRR format you can use will depend on which of the two companies made your graphics card. Advertising It's widely believed that a TV needs to support Freesync or G-Sync to support VRR from game consoles, but that's not really the case. That's because there is a little talk about the third VRR format, called HDMI Forum VRR, or even just HDMI VRR. This VRR format is part of the HDMI 2.1 spec and is starting to appear on some TVs, even some that officially only have HDMI 2.0 connectors. It's also worth noting that a TV that supports HDMI 2.1 will definitely not support HDMI VRR, although that's likely.
It already has it. Insomniac’s ‘temporal injection’ is the best software upsampler in the business. Which is why the image quality is so good even in performance mode.
Im curious now, like spider man being dynamic res at 60fps... as the uncapped version doesn't drop, the game doesn't go below 1440p? As the game can perform even higher than 60fps
Right - it seems possible. For Insomniac's Temporal Injection in their own engine, they prefer 1440p, 1620p, 1800p, 2160p ranges. It looks great. So a true 120 mode at let's say 1172- 960p baseline might not 'survive' the reconstruction to UHD display effectively at very low resolution. 120/native 1080p on HD would look fairly crisp with higher visual presets. 1440p is the sweet spot to have enough image data/ML or temporal headroom for nice reconstruction to a 4K output target, and 1440 claws back lots of extra performance.
@@griffgames9538 en realidad creo que no bajaria la resolución, creo que hay estipulado un mínimo de fps que será 60, si baja de 60 también bajará la resolución, lo que estamos viendo aqui simplemente es a lo que da la consola desde 1440p hacia arriba. Eso pienso yo no se si será asi
@@SimplexPL I honestly don’t think dynamic res would kick in unless it’s dropping below 60 (remembered it had v sync originally which was taking away an extra 10-20% of performance)
@@johannessguten2527 I don't understand. 1440p dynamic with 60fps means that any time the framerate would drop below 60, then the resolution is lowered from the max 1440p to something lower, to prevent framerate loss. But what is happening when dynamic resolution is paired with unlocked framerate? I'm assuming that in this case the dynamic resolution is always at the lowest possible level, because the framerate is the highest possible. But that's just my assupmtion, that's why I asked.
I noticed the limit of the PS5 vrr implementation is 48 HZ minimum. Watching your video, I noticed that Elden Ring didn't get lower than 48FPS. I have seen this game dipped down to the 30s. Did you notice any issues once it hit 48 frames per second? Thank you.
@@gringuz7710 Hi, what do you mean with doesn't work? LG 55G1 user here. Tested it yesterday, and yeah the framerate is frequently under 60 but I feel that the movement is smoother when the amount of hz matches the amount of fps. It's not a mind-blowing difference but it's definitely smoother imo. Felt it the most after playing half an hour with vrr on and then switched it off.
@@Lava-Puperze doesn t work on games that not support it...if you try elden ring or Horizon for example there isn t difference, so imho you must left it on AUTO without forcing it on games without the vrr patch. I think on Spiderman or other games with vrr patch work perfectly and u can feel the difference. I also have a pc gaming for 1440p 144hz and belive me, my eyes know the diff between 30/60fps with or without freesync/gsync.
@@gringuz7710 Elden ring does work with VRR. What the user above was pointing out is the fact that the PS5’s VRR range can only go as low as 48hz. This means if a hame drops below 48fps (elden ring frequently does in fidelity) then VRR will stop working until it goes back above 48fps.
Just to be clear VRR didn’t increase FPS. It just means developers can uncap the frame rate and the fluctuation no longer causes screen tearing and stuttering.
Se imaginan un juego tan brutal en gráficos qué ps5 solo lo pueda correr a 30fps? De solo pensar cuan realistas pueden hacer los juegos con esta nueva potencia me hace querer adelantar los años para ver el final de generación de ps5 y xbox series x
Me imagino un The Last of Us 3 ya que en PS3 exprimió la consola hasta el máximo con su 1er juego y en PS4 el 2do juego también exprimió la consola hasta el máximo.
Vamos a ver un primer salto gráfico cuando comiencen a salir los juegos en unreal 5 y si logran implementar fsr 2.0 a tiempo además van a traer un salto grande en performance. Ya hay varios en camino con mucha pinta!
Pues bro con tan solo ver el mítico forza horizon 5 en series x el gears 5 hivebusters ya te das cuenta los graficasos tan brutales que habrán de ahora en adelante y la potencia que tiene la consola series x
Brutal el efecto del VRR en los juegos, ver juegos como los Spider-Man o Ratchet and Clank en el modo performance superando de largo los 60fps y con esa suavidad que da el VRR al sincronizar hz y fps es una locura. Pero a mi me ha impresionado mas ver estos juegos en modo Fidelity 4k, graficos al maximo y ray-tracing activado y ver que se mueven entre los 50fps y 60fps estando desbloqueados, que barbaridad! Una lastima que yo no pueda hacer uso porque mi monitor pese a tener Freesync no es compatible con VRR en PS5... 😢
@Arfghie Yo también prefiero la calidad gráfica, pero precisamente VRR lo que permite es que mantengas la máxima calidad gráfica y a la vez jugar a 60fps o casi sin notar tirones en la fluidez por la fluctuación del framerate. Que es mejor jugar a 4k con gráficos al máximo a 30fps o exactamente igual pero a 50-60fps? Sin perder un ápice de calidad gráfica!
@Arfghie A ver de 30fps a 60fps se nota y mucho, una vez pasas de 60fps y vas subiendo se sigue notando pero cada vez menos conforme aumentas. En mi opinión que con el VRR puedas tener misma calidad gráfica y más fps al ser desbloqueados y no notar los "tirones" de la fluctuación al sincronizarse hz y fps es una maravilla! A partir de ahí para gustos colores.
@@tolestyle al menos gracias a eso juegos ya no seran un problema a 30 fps,aunque mi televisor pese a no tener freesync, tiene algo similar llamado opera soup effect pero es mas feo
@@panuru9175 Para mi 30fps nunca han sido un problema, siempre que fueran perfectamente estables. Pero obviamente si un juego puede ir a más de 30fps sin sacrificar ningún otro aspecto es más que bienvenido, y el VRR ofrece precisamente eso, una maravilla!
What about dynamic resolution in this? Is it now getting locked to a lower limit of predefined dynamic resolution scale in order to achieve 120 fps or is it still dynamically changing like it does when locked to 60 fps?
Remember the fidelity modes are native 4k so no dynamic res I would expect the performance modes though to have the dynamic res hit the lower bounds more with vrr on
Porque el v-sync quita fps y tener el juego con fotogramas muy variables da muchos problemas en pantallas no comoatibles Y que sea de resolución variable no quiere decir que todo el tiempo esté por debajo de esa opción, la resolución solo baja del tope cuando los fps baja bajo el limite eatablecido
Porque el objetivo en ese caso es mantener los 60fps con la "misma carga grafica", más que mantener los 1440p, para que el juego sea "fluido", tenga la misma cantidad de elementos en pantalla y no presente otros defectos como el screen tearing o artefactos. Por eso en secciones de poca carga gráfica corre a 1440, y en secciones de mucha carga gráfica corre en menor resolución. Podrían desbloquear los 60fps para cualquiera pantalla, pero al no tener el VRR se presentarian varios problema como los que mencioné anteriormente.
I checked and it seems that VRR doesn't work in Fidelity Mode unless 120fps is active in Ratched and Clank. This is sad. in 120fps mode, the color resolution changes from RGB to ycbcr422 and the picture becomes less contrasty.
@@D-D-- I use "low" the black level setting (my TV doesn't have an "auto" setting), it's better than "height" level, but in any case worse than with RGB signal + "low" level.
@@InFuz92 also check how your ps5 is confugured. For ycbr 422 (rgb limited) the correct black level value is low. For rgb full 444, the correct value is normal/high, otherwise you end up with black crush.
Not to be the wet noodle here but, TH-cam only outputs at 60 fps. So a comparison between something already 60 fps and any thing above that is kinda pointless since it's only going to be seen at 60 fps anyway. But, that's just my input.
I'm still not sure. Even with VRR a fluctuating framerate is a fluctuating framerate. Input latency changes on a scene by scene basis or even within a few seconds - you can feel that! I still prefer locked framerates because of the consistency.
I generally find that if you're above 60fps fluctuations are much harder/near impossible to tell. Below 60fps I normally cap for consistency. In a 60hz game anything down to the low 50s is usually fine too though. Of course this also depends on how quickly the FPS changes from scene to scene.
@@fpstechtesting7653 I'd say above 70. But in this example Spiderman in fidelity mode went from 30 to 60 and back - I tried it myself and while it is nice in some scenes it's just feeling terrible. People do treat it like the best thing since sliced bread. More FPS isn't always better.
@@RobOngrui exactly, that particular example is not a good case for VRR, the frametimes are too far apart much below 60fps. VRR can be very effective but it needs to be used intelligently; either to help with minor, rare drops, or be used in high FPS (60-120)/ lower resolution modes. Also, I guess to cap at a specific fps, although I can't see devs doing this on console. VRR gives developers many more options. This is what I'm most excited about. They are no longer forced to rely on dynamic resolution as a means to get the most out of the console. In reality, I doubt many developers will put the effort into creating bespoke modes, at least in the foreseeable. In the long term though I'm excited about VRR. I think we are going to see even more choice on console when it comes to framerate and graphics modes.
@@fpstechtesting7653 tbh - I hate the options given to me these days on console. I always have the feeling I need to sacrifice something. Framerate Vs Fidelity. VRR is interesting but as the PS5 relies on the HDMI 2.1 implementation I don't think a lot of people will care and therefore the Devs won't either.
@@RobOngrui I'm the opposite, but I totally understand where you're coming from, and yeah the majority of people won't care. I feel like these games need a default/recommended mode and then hide the "advanced" modes behind another menu. That gives users more options without sacrificing the plug and play convenience of a console.
Estas tecnologías (fsr 2.0 incluido) son críticas para permitir a las consolas de nueva generación alcanzar los 4k/60 fps prometidos hace un par de años.
Al día de hoy es imposible un 4k 60fps aún para tarjetas gradicas de gama alta los 4k nativos no son necesarios por que entre un 4k nativo y el 4k dinamico no hay diferencia nunca jugando notas las bajadas de resolucion tenes que tener un ojo vionoco par a poder notarlo así que igual tenes un 4k y 60fps en las consolas hay esta que estas tecnologías serán un potenciador para las consolas si podrán ir a 4k nativos tal ves a mas de 60fps si pero será la misma experiencia que a 4k dinamicos
@@sstivenlopez6767 Hoy en día es imposible, por eso es tan importante que aprovechen las capacidades de las tecnologías más modernas que tienen las consolas nuevas para estar más cerca y no sólo que un juego corra mejor que en las consolas de la generación anterior por fuerza bruta.
Now the PS5 is officially the best console for playing Elden Ring. Context: Elden Ring can't cap 60fps on consoles, PS5 version runs at 50~60fps while Series X version runs at 40~55fps, before the only way to have a locked 60fps experience was to play the PS4 Pro version on PS5 but this version has a lower draw-distance, lower foliage density and lower resolution, but now with VRR it will be possible to have a fluid experience with the native version for PS5.
Assuming the devs hadn't just simply patched the Series X version. Weaker hardware never outperforms more powerful hardware. Never has, never will. Any time you do see a game running any better on weaker hardware, it is purely a matter of optimization. But that's what patches are for. You can't patch weaker hardware.
@@nonyabusiness6084 Actually, there are several games that still run better on PS5 than Xbox Series X (in frame-rate). Bordelands 3, Call of Duty Cold War, Devil May Cry 5, Assasin's Creed: Valhalla, Skyrim, Cyberpunk 2077 are some of the examples I can cite that still have better fps stability on PS5 than on Series X, I remember that the case was so serious that even Microsoft gave an answer about it. (apparently this is due to the Xbox Dev Kit delay for developers, but this issue still occurs) In fact the Xbox Series X hardware is better, but it doesn't mean that games are running better on it, hardware is not everything, that's why in games like Bayonetta we saw a stark difference in performance on PS3 and X360 (20fps on PS3 and 50fps on X360), Xbox 360 was much easier to work with while PS3 had an extremely confusing architecture, several devs have already said that PS5 is much easier to work with than Xbox Series X, maybe that's why it's still we see a lot of games running better on the PS5.
@@MoonSarito Kid, I was playing Pong & likely even building my first gaming PC's before you were even born. No, all of those games has since been patched, it's just that Digital Foundry doesn't revisit them after that fact. Also, all those games run at higher resolution on Xbox. And yes, there is the fact that the Series X|S has a brand new dev kit where the PS5 dev kit is virtually identical to the PS4. But comparing the PS3 to the Xbox 360 as a way of saying power doesn't matter is just utterly ridiculous. First of all, that was Sony's bright idea to use their own new "Cell Processor" that they thought would become the standard CPU for PC's going forward into the future. So the issue was that the PS3 architecture was entirely different and a pain in the ass to develop for. That is not close to the same as the Series X which uses the same CPU & GPU that are used in PC's. Sony learned their final lesson on trying to create & use their own GPU's with the PS2's "Emotion Engine" and they learned their lesson on trying to create & use their own CPU's with the PS3. As Microsoft was smart enough to use PC CPU & GPU manufacturers like Intel, AMD & Nvidia from the beginning. Microsoft set out to make designing games for Xbox as easy as it was for PC to begin with. This new Series X|S dev kit absolutely keeps that trend as it allows developers to create the PC & Series X|S versions all together at the exact same time. But as with any new hardware & "tools," there is a learning curve.
me acuerdo mis amigos pcerdos como chingaban con sus fps, y les decía que no me importaba y que en ocasiones 60fps puede verse raro, que era esa la razón por la que en las películas corren a 24. la diferencia es que en las películas la toma es fija y ahí si doy la razón. para mi 35-45 es la velocidad perfecta para un videojuego
And we are still here, with our powerfull PS5 (without real PS5 games) and a Last Guardian or RDR2 (and many others) at 30 FPS until developers release a patch to just unlock the framerate... Maybe never.
So explain this to me. Does the game actually runs at higher frames or is it just being displayed at higher frames ? Like will I notice the difference between the inputs and the game being displayed on the screen. If the game is actually running at higher frames why do we need a VRR compatible display?
It really runs higher and you will clearly see and feel it. Only VRR displays can do this because the frame rate going up and down will appear stuttery without VRR, it constantly adjusts the display's refresh rate to match the fps. So without VRR, those higher, fluctuating frame rates would look horrible.
Mine has been silent I've been playing black ops cold at 120fps and spider-man remastered using 120hz and VRR while downloading a game and still quite.
Ahora faltaria una comparacion d frames d muchos multis en series x vs ps5 con el VRR activado en ps5 vs series x saludos,ya q muchas comparativas estaba activada esta opcion en series x y aun asi en ps5 el framerate era mas estable no me quiero imaginar ahora,creo q se vendran suicidios masivos de xboxers,es q es increible un juego como spiderman q no es moco d pavo con RT activado llegue a los 100 y 120 frames es d locos
Uno tiene que tener en cuenta la compensación de baja velocidad de fotogramas integrada en HDMI 2.1: puede reportar el doble o el triple de la velocidad de fotogramas. La capturadora de El Gato VRR reportará el mismo doble o triple del famerate.
Since the applicable range of VRR of PS5 is 48hz-120hz, is there any problem if it is below 48Hz in fidelity mode? Isn't 40hz fixed mode better in Fidelity mode?
This is the one aspect of all of this I still don’t understand myself. What happens when frame rates sit between 30 and 48 fps? Does VRR provide any benefit in that case? I’m hoping Digital Foundry explains this in their inevitable video on these updates.
@@benjaminm.v6668 I am personally confused because the PS5 explicitly mentions 48Hz being its minimum for VRR, but on top of that, in testing on my LG C1 TV, when I tested the Spider-Man and Ratchet fidelity modes, my TV’s VRR readout is just locked to 119hz, even though it shows VRR as enabled, which obviously isn’t the actual frame rate. Testing the “performance” modes, it shows accurate VRR readings, but when the frames are down closer to 40fps, for whatever reason my TV isn’t showing me the actual refresh rate anymore. I had assumed that was because frames were below that 48hz threshold, but I don’t actually know for sure.
Under 48 fps the games are using low framerate compensation. This requires a 120hz container which is why games need to be patched to work properly if it goes below 48 fps. Sony could fix this by releasing an optional system wide 120hz output, but that will probably be another 1.5 years of waiting
@@TANuclear Do you know why, at least from my tests, I have never seen Spider-Man’s fidelity mode register as anything other than 119 hz on my C1? I think I get what you mean about using a 120hz container below 48fps. But I tried hard as I could to get the game to run faster than 48fps (looking at the sky, ground, etc), expecting to see my refresh rate to appear in the 50hz range for a bit, but couldn’t get it to happen. Perhaps the fidelity mode is “locked” into this container even if the true frame rate exceeds 48fps…?
Huh? This is dynamic 1440p. Meaning 1440p is the highest. The resolution would only dip if the frame rate dipped below 60fps. The PS5 could always run this game the way it is here, they just capped it to 60 because without VRR such fluctuations in fps would be very noticeable.
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but wait, if the tv supports 120 hrz and you activate the 120 hrz mode in the game racket and clank rift apart he specifies that if you have activated the 120 hrz mode plus the vrr you will also have double the latter.
El framerate de este video se ha medido con una herramienta interna del modelo PG32UQ de Asus, que nos permite calcular los fotogramas en tiempo real incluso con VRR, algo que no es posible con capturadoras actuales: twitter.com/analistadebits/status/1522132726069010432
The framerate of this video has been measured with an internal tool of the Asus PG32UQ model, which allows us to calculate the frames in real time even with VRR, something that is not possible with current capture devices: twitter.com/analistadebits/status/1522132726069010432
I can finally play on graphics/fidelity mode without worrying about 30 fps! This is huge!
Imaging If you could play Forbidden West at almost 50fps like ratchet, that would be awesome cuz the Fidelity mode really has an advantage over Performance in quality, at least If you have a nice gaming Tv you can notice it more, eventhough I think that ratchet was hitting 50fps cuz It already runs at 40fps, but I might be wrong tho
Still not 60
@@killrblue Most of console players are not 60 fps maniac. Feels smooth? Yes. So why we wouldn't play in fidelity mode with native 4k and stunning graphic? 40 fps mode from insomniac games was already a big change compared to 30 fps now its perfectly fine to enjoy and play with variable refresh rate : )
fidelity mode at 53 fps doesn’t look very good either…
@@geocruz7267 he was talking in english and you reply to him in spanish? how low can someones IQ get wtf
What's incredible to me is Fidelity mode. I had no idea VRR would increase fps in fidelity mode. Anything above 40fps is a game changer
VRR is not increasing the frame rate. They simply unlocked the frame rate because VRR can now hide such massive fluctuations and dips. So this game could have run at this frame rate the whole time, but because VRR wasn't available they capped it to 60fps.
@@nonyabusiness6084 im impressed there are any spots that can hit 60 ok fidelity mode (that means the ps5 pro should get fidelity mode to 120)
@@johannessguten2527 Fidelity FX Super Resolution and especially full RDNA2 GPU resource saving features like Mesh Shaders, Variable Rate Shading & Sampler Feedback Streaming will be huge this generation even on their own, let alone when all being used together. FSR allows the GPU of the PS5 or Series X to render the games graphics at 720p-1080p but display them at 4K saving GPU resources from having to render the graphics at Native 4K. But the full RDNA2 features of the Series X will free up GPU resources even further by using the tech features listed to draw the graphics using much less GPU resources than before. Boosting GPU performance by up to an additional 35+%. The games using full RDNA2 + FSR are going to look incredible.
@@nonyabusiness6084 my guy is talking about Spider-Man and you're here spewing how the fUlL RdNa 2 of XbOx iS bEtTer. Fanbois gotta be fanbois.
@@nongmaithemavinash3977 I were talking about graphics & performance from both these new consoles in general, short bus.
Some people can talk about both consoles without thinking "fanboi" bs, son. You're projecting, kid. Don't let the reality of what I said hurt you, little fella. Just think about it from interest in the tech or from the perspective of an actual gamer rather than a "fanboi" and you should be far less triggered.
3:08 The headroom on the fidelity mode is insane. Makes you realize how much console performance devs have to sacrifice before getting a locked 30 fps. If it was on PC I would just leave it unlocked VRR or not XD
The headroom is needed for a locked experience, at least 10 frames more, but the ideal number is mostly 15 frames, It depends on the 1% low they get when testing the game to be sure It will never drops lower then the target.
It's probably due to v-sync being turned off in VRR mode, so the PS5 GPU delivers frames as fast as possible and due to the "built-in" headroom for a consistent 30fps lock.
@@PursuedByAMemory I wouldn't think v-sync would have slowed down a 30 frames target game though, since PS5 only needs to deliver a new frame after every 2 refreshes of the 60 Hz screen and you would expect the delivers to push resolution and graphics until they can't deliver that in time. Idk... v-sync is confusing.
@@weaverquest Hey, what is Headroom?
@@Samurasa. it's the margin you have above something.
Me parece muy raro que casi se dupliquen los fps con solo activar el VRR, pues el hardware da lo que da ..
Wasn't expecting to see such high framerates in Fidelity Mode on Spidey seems like there's plenty of headroom
PS5 is a beast
In performance mode it does 4k 60 but now it's 90-100
Ps5 is a true beast, the people that were downplaying it will be very shocked when Ps5 only games release
Be hold Ps5 downplayers
@@nguxurr9667 Well compared to it's competitor the PS5 performs worse in most titles. Sometimes the difference is pretty big, e.g. a recent example is Dying Light 2 which is locked to 1080p 60fps in performance mode on PS5 while Xbox Series X offers 1440p 60fps - that's twice the pixel density. In general there are a lot of games which target higher quality or resolution on Xbox. In a few titles PS5 performs better for a couple weeks until the Xbox version is patched (and in some cases outperforms PS5 then, e.g. AC Valhalla or GTA Trilogy).
@@xenuCS Umm...No. The PS5 beats Xbox Series X 99% of the time. Do you even watch this channel and Digital Foundry etc?
One has to account for Low Frame Rate Compensation built into HDMI 2.1 - it can report double or triple the framerate. The new El Gato VRR logging will report the same double or triple of the framerate.
ps5 is insane running games at 2k and 4k with ray tracing and giving 60+fps
dynamic 2k / 4k not native
@@ANFWHGPIE23 well the games are very detailed and graphics heavy.
@@ANFWHGPIE23 Actually the 4k Mode or fidelity mode which is called is actually native 4k at least on ratchet and spiderman
@@ANFWHGPIE23 I know that
@@lightbringer6567 doesn’t matter it’s still pretty good
Finally PS5 players can enjoy VRR !
It's great to see the headroom in this video.
I want to go to the Headroom.
@@lateshow4783 🤨
@@lateshow4783 wdym by that? 🤨
2 years later💀
What is Headroom?
The amount of headroom on PS5 is insane.
Imagine the next first party games will look insane!
far behind per se 3080 and the series 4000 coming soon, it's optimized but its old hardware already
@@caralosmendezgomez9048 don't be stupid, dude. A RTX 3080 costs MUCH MORE than a PS5 and you also need other hardware. PC costs WAY MORE than a console.
@@caralosmendezgomez9048 You are comparing a graphics card with a console. What's next? Comparing refrigerators with an air conditioner?
@@diezgp lol
@@caralosmendezgomez9048
Well, in one more year we get a Series X Pro and PS5 Pro as well.
Pro-tip:
Older HDMI 2.0b displays can support PS5 VRR when using "Freesync Ultimate" setting.
If it's not working for you, try using a different HDMI input. Some of the HDMI 2.0b displays have a particular HDMI slot designated for higher bandwidth.
Q80R works well
My Samsung au 9000 2.0b can run with Vrr?
Q90R works well on hdmi port 4
I really hope Guerrilla adds a 40fps mode on Horizon Forbidden West like the one in Ratchet or Spider-Man
Please guerilla 🙏
@CJ P. Facts . Had to put the game down unfortunately. Can't do 30fps
@@KINGSHAQxYAHUDAH why 40 FPS? Just unlock it and allow VRR to do its thing. If TV's do not support VRR force it to 30 FPS like normal. If it falls below the 48Hz threshold then allow dynamic resolution or FSR to kick in and push it back past 48 FPS. Simples.
The star of the show is still Performance RT mode in Spidey and R&C. Not only is the fps through the roof but the image quality is absolutely pristine. My eyes popped when I launched the games after the update :)
I'm waiting on R&C to finish updating right now.
Damn, looks like all 30fps games in ps5 could at least receive a 40fps mode patch
Native 4K at 50-60 FPS is INSANE for a game with so much detail and in such a large world. If every studio worked as hard as Insomniac we'd have good AAA games again
@UCVuWqj2pvQvV0Hw61LpgBng stop making this about console wars, they are dead anyway
Devil may cry 5 can't even hold a steady 120fps at 1080... You're defiantly not getting native 4k with newer titles. It's probably more like dynamic 4k
Impossible native 4k at 50/60fps with ps5/xboxSX in AAA games, not even with 3080ti you can do it on some titles and in the future it will be even worse, maybe with ps6. 😅
(I have ps5 and pc with 3080ti)
It might drop in more intense scenes.
I didn’t think VRR would be this much of a game changer. They need to hurry up and do something for HFW.
This is the best that had happened to PS5 so far, Im so happy to play in Fidelity mode finally with 60fps feeling on both Spiderman and Ratchet. Only Horizon is missing from this list to make PS5 the best next gen console so far.
That’s bonkers to me. 4k60fps legitimately here!!
Yo he jugado ha Nintendo NES en mi monitor Acer predator a 60hz con un convertidor hdmi¿Eso quiere decir que me funciona a 60 FPS? ¿Mi Nintendo NES tiene VRR? .¡Por favor...!
This VRR update makes me want a ps5 real bad.
30 fps > 50fps
60 fps > 90fps
Nothing is capped at 30 anymore. Devs can target various framerates while maintaining great graphics.
Fidelity mode even can briefly hit the low 60s at calm spots which is insane
so here is my opinion, sorry if my english bad. why the games get extra performance with the vrr enable? because the develover capped (limit) the fps 30 (for fidelity) and 60 (for performance/ rt performance) so it cause no tearing or stuttering. the monitor or tv on common only know the 30 60 and 120hz, below that you might get stuttering and if above that you might get tearing. with this vrr the dev can push the gpu power to its limit and no limitation from "capped" frame rate. so the vrr is not the "boost" but it help the hardware to show their true power.
This is more an explanation than an opinion, but it's spot on 👌
@@vincentkentermusic kinda 🤣
Your apology is truly justified. Lord have mercy. My eyes almost fell out
que llamativo que en la demo del robot de ps5 vaya clavado a 60fps con vrr on a pesar de la baja carga gráfica, y eso tiene una explicación y es que seguramente ese sea el único juego que vaya clavado a 60fps y el vrr no tiene que 'corregir' nada, que para lo que sirve el vrr para evitar el tearing en los bajones de frames (o en alzas en juegos de pc con los fps desbloqueados) y hacer que los Hz coincidan cuando se muestre un frame. Por ejemplo si un juego baja a 40fps te sube los hz a 80 para que coincidan 2hz por cada frame y no te de un mal efecto de tearing en pantalla
Tu crees que los modos performance rt baja de 60 por eso muestra mas de 60 fps?
Esto es como si pusieras un panadero a que te explique física cuántica... Dios que vergüenza
Ps5 is a MONSTER!
Didn't expect that "VRR off" would be so much smoother than "VRR on" at 1:11
TH-cam is capped at 60FPS everything that is not evenly divided will look choppy.
@@RobOngrui Was thinking that may be the case, will have to see it irl for the true experience I guess.
What is the power consumption in Ratchet and clank and Spider man in fidelity mode / RT performance mode with uncapped frames? :) maybe You can do short film about consoles power consumption?
The PS5's PSU is rated at 350W it's really not something you need to worry about
@@brandon_nope i know. Im just quite curious because highest consumption i could get was im R&C in the cosmic bar. There is sitting some kind of sheep im from on the bar, and in Photo Mode when You zoom into her furr console can eat up to 245 Watt:) it is in fidelity Mode capped to 30 FPS as i dont have 120hz tv.... It makes me curious wher Sony engineers set the watt limit.. It wont be on 350 level of course, as psu shouldn't excess c.a 80% of its top wattage and console itself need to have Reserves to e.g power upcoming psvr2. So as i said. Its just me and my curiosity :)
Am I the only one who see more fluid the 60fps insterad of the vrr on the right? 1:18
Pues yo no se si será verdad, pero en los vídeos noto mas fluido los 60 que los supuestos 75-90... minuto 1:10 en la izquierda mientras gira se ve todo perfecto, mientras en la derecha que se supone va a 80 fps hay muchos microsaltos. Es posible que aunque sea verdad que va a 80 fps haya mucho mas stuttering ?
Eso pasa porque no está sincronizado el video con el juego para eso sirve el vrr, para sincronizar los fps con los hz de la pantalla y no existan errores graficos como stuttering.
So basically on some games you get instant FPS Boost nice.. Glad I purchased a 120 HZ TV last Black Friday..
Nope thats not an fps boost. The developers just unlock the frame rate, the normally lock the frame rate to hide the fluctuations and drops. The vrr just allow that extra frames to look smooth by adjusting the refresh rate in you screen.
PS5 is a Monster!!!
Monster 🗑
@@iannov don't you have anything better to do, now that VVR is on ps5 what's your next excuse.
Ps5 monster? VRR works only on selected TVs not on gaming monitors🤮
I have the ps5 and a 144hz 2K monitor,
Ps5 does not support 2k and VRR on gaming monitors
Xbox does all of that day one….
@@BlancoMD what about ratchet and clank? Its a new game and still had good performance and dont forget the ray tracing I'll say that pretty impressive no matter what you say.
Not sure if what you're saying about the VRR is true but it still doesn't mean the performance is poor when it is available, and those thing can get patched anytime.
*You didn't show us non RT performance mode on the games. It reaches 100fps more often than RT performance*
This. I was wondering why he didn’t show those. Did he simply forget the mode?
Nope. 9:16
@@ElAnalistaDeBits Rift Apart also has it, I found it to be incredible, maybe the best mode since the VRR update, it's pretty much 100 fps and looks sharper than RT mode.
@@vincentkentermusic you lose raytracing though unless your on a large 4k set I’d still prefer perf rt
Uncapped RT Performance with it's dynamic resolution seems to stay way over 60fps. Does it mean that it always remained at fixed 1440p resolution the whole time?
It's actually upscale 4K
that's what I wonder too, I think if it doesn't drop below 60 fps it won't drop the resolution
I had to leave another comment because I also have a Series X but seeing what sony is doing, they are making VRR better on Playstation compared to Series X, especially in fidelity modes. This really is a game changer for Sony
Lol what? VRR in PS5 is absolutely lacking. A crap per game solution instead of hardware forced on everything. 120 FPS games on Playstation can barely keep their FPS in the 100's. Add the new features they will need in next gen games and here we have a disaster.
@@VTorner that’s not true
@@VTorner halo infinite at 120fps is dynamic 1440p goes below 1080p and the frame rate also can dip quite hard and doesn't have RT. Yet these games can do dynamic 1440p stay above 1080p with RT and still have really high frame rate. So yea it is very impressive.
@@akkibajaj705 the biggest problem for me is the vrr range isn’t high enough why does ir only work at 48
Vtorner spouting nothing but nonsense! Go cry to Phil and tell the Xbox camp to step it up!
Was waiting for you and digital foundry 😅
Great analysis you only missed deathloop that added ultra performance 1080p up to 120 FPS with VRR 👌 now thanks to VRR we can finally see the huge headroom which Is 50% of unused power And that's without the hardware features of ps5 which will further boost the power and performance. Native 4k up to 60 FPS with 4k resolution on the Ray tracing reflections and 1440p Ray tracing reflections with 100+ Frames mind blowing. Insomniac are the best PS5 Is a beast In Mark Cerny we trust
PS5 is not a beast LOL. Compared to Xbox runs like crap with lower resolution and settings on almost all games
@@lordmaster2562 Don't be that guy.
@@jayzeta150 unfortunately I think @Raios Rogue was already being “that guy”.
He literally said “PS5 is the best” and “in mark cerny we trust” like it’s some cult following lmao
Ps5 is like having mid grade amd hardware in a pc. Defiantly not a beast and good luck getting native 4k at 60fps unless it's a game like quake or centipede...
@@VisualsByMax1 he said "beast" . It's not that hard to read bro
Does anyone know where I can find the song that starts at 3:55? Thanks
Fucking Insomniac, man, definitely among Top 5 game developers on the planet.📼
Always fast to embrace new tech.
Always competent.
The fact that they just nonchalantly pushed out updates to all 3 of their PS5 games at once to take advantage of this is incredible.
Está genial que desbloqueen el framerate en tantos juegos. Lo único que no me gusta es que solo tiene VRR por HDMI Forum, dejándonos fuera a los que tenemos VRR por AMD freesync en HDMI 2.0
No te entiendo, que es hdmi forum, yo tengo una Oled Cx en esa tv puedo poner la consola a 120hzs
@@Danielit0h92 es el estándar que tiene HDMI, como tú TV es 2.1 puedes usar VRR con o sin Freesync.
Existen displays HDMI 2.0 que pueden usar VRR mediante freesync o gsync, y Sony dejó afuera esas opciones.
@@eliteshergio7375 Que complicado todo, la Cx yo tengo la opción Amd Freesync premium activada. Quieres decir que hay paneles con estas opciones, pero al no ser 2.1 se quedan fuera? Pues vaya putada...
@@Danielit0h92 eso mismo, yo uso VRR en mi laptop (hasta 144Hz) y mi Xbox (hasta 1440p 120Hz) sin problemas, pero PS5 dice que el mismo monitor no es compatible :/
@@eliteshergio7375 Different VRR formats
Unfortunately, there is not just one variable refresh rate format. VRR started in the PC gaming domain, where two graphics card manufacturers - AMD and Nvidia - are locked in an eternal battle for supremacy, and each has its own VRR format: AMD's is called FreeSync and Nvidia's is G-Sync.
If you are a PC user, the VRR format you can use will depend on which of the two companies made your graphics card.
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It's widely believed that a TV needs to support Freesync or G-Sync to support VRR from game consoles, but that's not really the case. That's because there is a little talk about the third VRR format, called HDMI Forum VRR, or even just HDMI VRR.
This VRR format is part of the HDMI 2.1 spec and is starting to appear on some TVs, even some that officially only have HDMI 2.0 connectors. It's also worth noting that a TV that supports HDMI 2.1 will definitely not support HDMI VRR, although that's likely.
imagine that (vrr) plus a dlss like technology 🔥
It already has it. Insomniac’s ‘temporal injection’ is the best software upsampler in the business. Which is why the image quality is so good even in performance mode.
Is dlss a resolution upscaler? Making low res upscale to high res?
hz o fps ?
hz
Te an pillao...manipulas las imágenes y te inventas estadísticas para favorecer una marca
Now try this, turn on FREESYNC in menu, FIXED 120hz + Freesync loooks goods, VRR dips up and down, which is good for NON 60fps games.
Horizon forbidden west needs this update
Because there is very different between resolution mode and fps mode (Graphic quality)
How we can know whether VRR is working or not?
Bro, now we just need AMD Fidelity FX and 4K 60 is an actual possibility
Practically gives 4k60 native gove or take a few frames. Impressive.
This. Is. Mindblowing! 😍😍👍
Power of PlayStation 5
Por qué va a tirones spiderman con vrr activado? min 1:00
Dios mío que estupidez, está mostrando los Hz no los FPS. Este tipo no sabe ni siquiera la diferencia entre Hertz y FPS.
Im curious now, like spider man being dynamic res at 60fps... as the uncapped version doesn't drop, the game doesn't go below 1440p? As the game can perform even higher than 60fps
Well remember that was with v sync originally which has a performance penalty that is gone with vrr
@@johannessguten2527 yeah, so virtually the game could perform in ~85 frames, so in 60fps is not stressfull, so no need to drop below 1440p
@@gustavosanches5674 yeah
Totalmente necesario que Sony Playstation coloque en el ps5 el 1440 a 120 fps, por algo lo implementó Microsoft en la series X
The performance on Rift Apart makes me wonder if they couldn't do a 120fps mode with a lower resolution.
Right - it seems possible.
For Insomniac's Temporal Injection in their own engine, they prefer 1440p, 1620p, 1800p, 2160p ranges. It looks great. So a true 120 mode at let's say 1172- 960p baseline might not 'survive' the reconstruction to UHD display effectively at very low resolution. 120/native 1080p on HD would look fairly crisp with higher visual presets.
1440p is the sweet spot to have enough image data/ML or temporal headroom for nice reconstruction to a 4K output target, and 1440 claws back lots of extra performance.
There are also cpu bottlenecks
@@griffgames9538 en realidad creo que no bajaria la resolución, creo que hay estipulado un mínimo de fps que será 60, si baja de 60 también bajará la resolución, lo que estamos viendo aqui simplemente es a lo que da la consola desde 1440p hacia arriba. Eso pienso yo no se si será asi
4k , raytracing , 50 FPS 😱😱
Mark Cerny 🙂🙂🙂
@@davidpantoja3668 Sony secret soup 💦
Now we clearly see the horrible crimes the console developers committed with limiting their games to 30 or 60 fps.
Tv's were the problem.
What happens to dynamic resolution when framerate is uncapped? Is it always on the lowest "bin"?
Fidelity modes don’t have dynamic res
@@johannessguten2527 I know, that's why the question was about the performance mode.
@@SimplexPL I honestly don’t think dynamic res would kick in unless it’s dropping below 60 (remembered it had v sync originally which was taking away an extra 10-20% of performance)
@@johannessguten2527 I don't understand. 1440p dynamic with 60fps means that any time the framerate would drop below 60, then the resolution is lowered from the max 1440p to something lower, to prevent framerate loss.
But what is happening when dynamic resolution is paired with unlocked framerate? I'm assuming that in this case the dynamic resolution is always at the lowest possible level, because the framerate is the highest possible. But that's just my assupmtion, that's why I asked.
@@SimplexPL it was always at 1440 when above 60 cause that’s the headroom they had in the lighter scenes
Como siempre Insomniac Games mostrando que son los mejores estudios de PlayStation.
I noticed the limit of the PS5 vrr implementation is 48 HZ minimum. Watching your video, I noticed that Elden Ring didn't get lower than 48FPS. I have seen this game dipped down to the 30s. Did you notice any issues once it hit 48 frames per second? Thank you.
Force vrr on elden ring doesn t work, for now is better to keep vrr on auto without force games not support it. I have LG 48 c1
@@gringuz7710 Hi, what do you mean with doesn't work? LG 55G1 user here. Tested it yesterday, and yeah the framerate is frequently under 60 but I feel that the movement is smoother when the amount of hz matches the amount of fps. It's not a mind-blowing difference but it's definitely smoother imo. Felt it the most after playing half an hour with vrr on and then switched it off.
@@Lava-Puperze doesn t work on games that not support it...if you try elden ring or Horizon for example there isn t difference, so imho you must left it on AUTO without forcing it on games without the vrr patch. I think on Spiderman or other games with vrr patch work perfectly and u can feel the difference. I also have a pc gaming for 1440p 144hz and belive me, my eyes know the diff between 30/60fps with or without freesync/gsync.
@@gringuz7710 Elden ring does work with VRR. What the user above was pointing out is the fact that the PS5’s VRR range can only go as low as 48hz.
This means if a hame drops below 48fps (elden ring frequently does in fidelity) then VRR will stop working until it goes back above 48fps.
Is VRR only supported on HDMI 2.1 monitors?
Several HDMI 2.0b
Eres el mejor canal de TH-cam en comparativas, eres una bestia, estoy enganchado a tus videos, sigue asi :)
No es mejor que digital foundry
I have a question!! Does Xbox series x also have the same feature and it increases the FPS in some games ?
Just to be clear VRR didn’t increase FPS. It just means developers can uncap the frame rate and the fluctuation no longer causes screen tearing and stuttering.
Se imaginan un juego tan brutal en gráficos qué ps5 solo lo pueda correr a 30fps? De solo pensar cuan realistas pueden hacer los juegos con esta nueva potencia me hace querer adelantar los años para ver el final de generación de ps5 y xbox series x
Me imagino un The Last of Us 3 ya que en PS3 exprimió la consola hasta el máximo con su 1er juego y en PS4 el 2do juego también exprimió la consola hasta el máximo.
Después de ver ratchet and clank en ps5, solo puedo pensar que spiderman 2 será el mejor juego que haya hecho
Vamos a ver un primer salto gráfico cuando comiencen a salir los juegos en unreal 5 y si logran implementar fsr 2.0 a tiempo además van a traer un salto grande en performance. Ya hay varios en camino con mucha pinta!
Pues bro con tan solo ver el mítico forza horizon 5 en series x el gears 5 hivebusters ya te das cuenta los graficasos tan brutales que habrán de ahora en adelante y la potencia que tiene la consola series x
@@sstivenlopez6767 espero que starfield sea una pasada, es el unico que me llama la atención mucho
Cool video... great content and quality!
Brutal el efecto del VRR en los juegos, ver juegos como los Spider-Man o Ratchet and Clank en el modo performance superando de largo los 60fps y con esa suavidad que da el VRR al sincronizar hz y fps es una locura. Pero a mi me ha impresionado mas ver estos juegos en modo Fidelity 4k, graficos al maximo y ray-tracing activado y ver que se mueven entre los 50fps y 60fps estando desbloqueados, que barbaridad! Una lastima que yo no pueda hacer uso porque mi monitor pese a tener Freesync no es compatible con VRR en PS5... 😢
@Arfghie Yo también prefiero la calidad gráfica, pero precisamente VRR lo que permite es que mantengas la máxima calidad gráfica y a la vez jugar a 60fps o casi sin notar tirones en la fluidez por la fluctuación del framerate. Que es mejor jugar a 4k con gráficos al máximo a 30fps o exactamente igual pero a 50-60fps? Sin perder un ápice de calidad gráfica!
@Arfghie A ver de 30fps a 60fps se nota y mucho, una vez pasas de 60fps y vas subiendo se sigue notando pero cada vez menos conforme aumentas. En mi opinión que con el VRR puedas tener misma calidad gráfica y más fps al ser desbloqueados y no notar los "tirones" de la fluctuación al sincronizarse hz y fps es una maravilla! A partir de ahí para gustos colores.
@@tolestyle al menos gracias a eso juegos ya no seran un problema a 30 fps,aunque mi televisor pese a no tener freesync, tiene algo similar llamado opera soup effect pero es mas feo
Recuerdo que hubo quienes decían que era mejor jugar a 30 fps por que el efecto era más cinatografico 🤔
@@panuru9175 Para mi 30fps nunca han sido un problema, siempre que fueran perfectamente estables. Pero obviamente si un juego puede ir a más de 30fps sin sacrificar ningún otro aspecto es más que bienvenido, y el VRR ofrece precisamente eso, una maravilla!
Can you do this on older PS4 games and see if there an fps boost on like Fallout 4 or Bloodborne?
If you turn on VRR for unsupported games it might improve not as much as actual support VRR titles tho
No because they have a capped framerate at 30fps
VRR only works on PS5 games
@@DocJupiter it also has improved on some ps4 titles thats why there’s the option VRR for unsupported titles
VRR is for Native Apps only me thinks.
What about dynamic resolution in this? Is it now getting locked to a lower limit of predefined dynamic resolution scale in order to achieve 120 fps or is it still dynamically changing like it does when locked to 60 fps?
Remember the fidelity modes are native 4k so no dynamic res I would expect the performance modes though to have the dynamic res hit the lower bounds more with vrr on
@@johannessguten2527 I know about fidelity mode I am curious about other modes that have dynamic res scale in them.
@@rahulpandey9472 I think they would only use dynamic res when they’d re dropping under 60
I wonder if the fidelity mode is 45-55 fps range, why most of tv game bar will show a static 120hz display mode?
Because VRR is not enabled in that case.
@@lomaxxbr then why the screen is not tearing
@@spideeno7333 Because the framerate is locked at 40fps when the 120hz mode is ON and VRR is OFF.
No entiendo porque en los modos rendimiento van a 1440p dinámicos si corren a mas de 60 fps todo el tiempo, no deberian ser nativos?
Dinámicos en caso de que baje de 60fps
Porque el v-sync quita fps y tener el juego con fotogramas muy variables da muchos problemas en pantallas no comoatibles
Y que sea de resolución variable no quiere decir que todo el tiempo esté por debajo de esa opción, la resolución solo baja del tope cuando los fps baja bajo el limite eatablecido
Porque el objetivo en ese caso es mantener los 60fps con la "misma carga grafica", más que mantener los 1440p, para que el juego sea "fluido", tenga la misma cantidad de elementos en pantalla y no presente otros defectos como el screen tearing o artefactos.
Por eso en secciones de poca carga gráfica corre a 1440, y en secciones de mucha carga gráfica corre en menor resolución. Podrían desbloquear los 60fps para cualquiera pantalla, pero al no tener el VRR se presentarian varios problema como los que mencioné anteriormente.
I checked and it seems that VRR doesn't work in Fidelity Mode unless 120fps is active in Ratched and Clank. This is sad. in 120fps mode, the color resolution changes from RGB to ycbcr422 and the picture becomes less contrasty.
I think you need to change the black level setting on the tv to fix that. Put it to auto/low.
@@D-D-- I use "low" the black level setting (my TV doesn't have an "auto" setting), it's better than "height" level, but in any case worse than with RGB signal + "low" level.
@@InFuz92 also check how your ps5 is confugured. For ycbr 422 (rgb limited) the correct black level value is low. For rgb full 444, the correct value is normal/high, otherwise you end up with black crush.
Not to be the wet noodle here but, TH-cam only outputs at 60 fps. So a comparison between something already 60 fps and any thing above that is kinda pointless since it's only going to be seen at 60 fps anyway. But, that's just my input.
The raw FPS numbers can be compared.
We are not comparing the image quality on TH-cam.
@@Mopantsu didn't say anything about image quality.
This is awesome. Insomniac, they do never sleep. LOL. XD
I'm still not sure. Even with VRR a fluctuating framerate is a fluctuating framerate. Input latency changes on a scene by scene basis or even within a few seconds - you can feel that! I still prefer locked framerates because of the consistency.
I generally find that if you're above 60fps fluctuations are much harder/near impossible to tell. Below 60fps I normally cap for consistency. In a 60hz game anything down to the low 50s is usually fine too though.
Of course this also depends on how quickly the FPS changes from scene to scene.
@@fpstechtesting7653 I'd say above 70. But in this example Spiderman in fidelity mode went from 30 to 60 and back - I tried it myself and while it is nice in some scenes it's just feeling terrible. People do treat it like the best thing since sliced bread. More FPS isn't always better.
@@RobOngrui exactly, that particular example is not a good case for VRR, the frametimes are too far apart much below 60fps. VRR can be very effective but it needs to be used intelligently; either to help with minor, rare drops, or be used in high FPS (60-120)/ lower resolution modes. Also, I guess to cap at a specific fps, although I can't see devs doing this on console.
VRR gives developers many more options. This is what I'm most excited about. They are no longer forced to rely on dynamic resolution as a means to get the most out of the console. In reality, I doubt many developers will put the effort into creating bespoke modes, at least in the foreseeable. In the long term though I'm excited about VRR. I think we are going to see even more choice on console when it comes to framerate and graphics modes.
@@fpstechtesting7653 tbh - I hate the options given to me these days on console. I always have the feeling I need to sacrifice something. Framerate Vs Fidelity. VRR is interesting but as the PS5 relies on the HDMI 2.1 implementation I don't think a lot of people will care and therefore the Devs won't either.
@@RobOngrui I'm the opposite, but I totally understand where you're coming from, and yeah the majority of people won't care. I feel like these games need a default/recommended mode and then hide the "advanced" modes behind another menu. That gives users more options without sacrificing the plug and play convenience of a console.
My tv doesn’t support VRR sadly but I still got the 120 display on spider man miles morales
Estas tecnologías (fsr 2.0 incluido) son críticas para permitir a las consolas de nueva generación alcanzar los 4k/60 fps prometidos hace un par de años.
Al día de hoy es imposible un 4k 60fps aún para tarjetas gradicas de gama alta los 4k nativos no son necesarios por que entre un 4k nativo y el 4k dinamico no hay diferencia nunca jugando notas las bajadas de resolucion tenes que tener un ojo vionoco par a poder notarlo así que igual tenes un 4k y 60fps en las consolas hay esta que estas tecnologías serán un potenciador para las consolas si podrán ir a 4k nativos tal ves a mas de 60fps si pero será la misma experiencia que a 4k dinamicos
@@sstivenlopez6767 Hoy en día es imposible, por eso es tan importante que aprovechen las capacidades de las tecnologías más modernas que tienen las consolas nuevas para estar más cerca y no sólo que un juego corra mejor que en las consolas de la generación anterior por fuerza bruta.
NEL, quizá el rendimiento mejore, pero eso se deberá gracias a que quitaron el v-sync, no creo que sea un gran cambio
I hope other devs take notes from Insomniac. Particularly Guerrilla Games with Horizon. Uncap the frame rate and gives us an unlocked dynamic 1440p.
Now the PS5 is officially the best console for playing Elden Ring.
Context: Elden Ring can't cap 60fps on consoles, PS5 version runs at 50~60fps while Series X version runs at 40~55fps, before the only way to have a locked 60fps experience was to play the PS4 Pro version on PS5 but this version has a lower draw-distance, lower foliage density and lower resolution, but now with VRR it will be possible to have a fluid experience with the native version for PS5.
Assuming the devs hadn't just simply patched the Series X version. Weaker hardware never outperforms more powerful hardware. Never has, never will. Any time you do see a game running any better on weaker hardware, it is purely a matter of optimization. But that's what patches are for. You can't patch weaker hardware.
@@nonyabusiness6084 Actually, there are several games that still run better on PS5 than Xbox Series X (in frame-rate).
Bordelands 3, Call of Duty Cold War, Devil May Cry 5, Assasin's Creed: Valhalla, Skyrim, Cyberpunk 2077 are some of the examples I can cite that still have better fps stability on PS5 than on Series X, I remember that the case was so serious that even Microsoft gave an answer about it. (apparently this is due to the Xbox Dev Kit delay for developers, but this issue still occurs)
In fact the Xbox Series X hardware is better, but it doesn't mean that games are running better on it, hardware is not everything, that's why in games like Bayonetta we saw a stark difference in performance on PS3 and X360 (20fps on PS3 and 50fps on X360), Xbox 360 was much easier to work with while PS3 had an extremely confusing architecture, several devs have already said that PS5 is much easier to work with than Xbox Series X, maybe that's why it's still we see a lot of games running better on the PS5.
@@MoonSarito Kid, I was playing Pong & likely even building my first gaming PC's before you were even born. No, all of those games has since been patched, it's just that Digital Foundry doesn't revisit them after that fact. Also, all those games run at higher resolution on Xbox. And yes, there is the fact that the Series X|S has a brand new dev kit where the PS5 dev kit is virtually identical to the PS4.
But comparing the PS3 to the Xbox 360 as a way of saying power doesn't matter is just utterly ridiculous. First of all, that was Sony's bright idea to use their own new "Cell Processor" that they thought would become the standard CPU for PC's going forward into the future. So the issue was that the PS3 architecture was entirely different and a pain in the ass to develop for. That is not close to the same as the Series X which uses the same CPU & GPU that are used in PC's. Sony learned their final lesson on trying to create & use their own GPU's with the PS2's "Emotion Engine" and they learned their lesson on trying to create & use their own CPU's with the PS3. As Microsoft was smart enough to use PC CPU & GPU manufacturers like Intel, AMD & Nvidia from the beginning. Microsoft set out to make designing games for Xbox as easy as it was for PC to begin with. This new Series X|S dev kit absolutely keeps that trend as it allows developers to create the PC & Series X|S versions all together at the exact same time. But as with any new hardware & "tools," there is a learning curve.
Damn you both take take this to seriously
@@jcdenton41100 Nah, I'm fine, too mutch text for me to read for a silly reason.
Why You didnt show uncapped Miles Morales Fifelity mode?
Video que miente... No sabe medir jajajjajajajajajajajaja
Dirt 5 needs an uncapped 4k and 1440p mode for vrr now.
I was kinda disappointed when I tested DIRT5. Still locked at 60 FPS in performance mode.
La verdad en un juego nunca le tome importancia a los fps pero para el que guste pues que guste
me acuerdo mis amigos pcerdos como chingaban con sus fps, y les decía que no me importaba y que en ocasiones 60fps puede verse raro, que era esa la razón por la que en las películas corren a 24. la diferencia es que en las películas la toma es fija y ahí si doy la razón.
para mi 35-45 es la velocidad perfecta para un videojuego
así que a jugar en modo fidelidad, que ahí si se ve una gran diferencia en la resolución y distancia de dibujado
Eso es porque nunca has jugado a 144 fps, 165 fps o 240 fps... pero bueno, tu a lo tuyo.
Yo también decia lo mismo hasta que lo probé. De verdad una vez pruebas 60 fps no quieres volver atrás
@@lorenzogonzalez4300 Cuanto más aumentan los FPS menos perceptible es.
My PS5 is coming today. Is this something that you have to turn on?
Aunque dependa del juego y que le lanzen un parche, podemos decir que la PS5 "cumple" con correr juegos a 4K@60fps
jajaja
XD
VRR on PS5 works with HDMI 2.0 on supported monitors?
I think so
No
Nope, you need HDMI 2.1
@@joeldrake2161 I read somewhere that someone had an hdmi 2.0 tv and it worked for them
There are TVs that support Vrr and 120hz even though they are not 4k
And we are still here, with our powerfull PS5 (without real PS5 games) and a Last Guardian or RDR2 (and many others) at 30 FPS until developers release a patch to just unlock the framerate... Maybe never.
So true !!! 😩👏
So explain this to me. Does the game actually runs at higher frames or is it just being displayed at higher frames ? Like will I notice the difference between the inputs and the game being displayed on the screen. If the game is actually running at higher frames why do we need a VRR compatible display?
It really runs higher and you will clearly see and feel it. Only VRR displays can do this because the frame rate going up and down will appear stuttery without VRR, it constantly adjusts the display's refresh rate to match the fps. So without VRR, those higher, fluctuating frame rates would look horrible.
In Cerny we trust.
does the console make noise?
Mine has been silent I've been playing black ops cold at 120fps and spider-man remastered using 120hz and VRR while downloading a game and still quite.
Ahora faltaria una comparacion d frames d muchos multis en series x vs ps5 con el VRR activado en ps5 vs series x saludos,ya q muchas comparativas estaba activada esta opcion en series x y aun asi en ps5 el framerate era mas estable no me quiero imaginar ahora,creo q se vendran suicidios masivos de xboxers,es q es increible un juego como spiderman q no es moco d pavo con RT activado llegue a los 100 y 120 frames es d locos
Estas mediciones no son fps reales ... creo que sea colado y mide los hz. del monitor ..
Uno tiene que tener en cuenta la compensación de baja velocidad de fotogramas integrada en HDMI 2.1: puede reportar el doble o el triple de la velocidad de fotogramas. La capturadora de El Gato VRR reportará el mismo doble o triple del famerate.
Cada vez sacan más jugo a la Ps5.
Since the applicable range of VRR of PS5 is 48hz-120hz, is there any problem if it is below 48Hz in fidelity mode?
Isn't 40hz fixed mode better in Fidelity mode?
This is the one aspect of all of this I still don’t understand myself. What happens when frame rates sit between 30 and 48 fps? Does VRR provide any benefit in that case? I’m hoping Digital Foundry explains this in their inevitable video on these updates.
Depending of the screen the range of vrr is variable and I think the minimum is 40fps
@@benjaminm.v6668 I am personally confused because the PS5 explicitly mentions 48Hz being its minimum for VRR, but on top of that, in testing on my LG C1 TV, when I tested the Spider-Man and Ratchet fidelity modes, my TV’s VRR readout is just locked to 119hz, even though it shows VRR as enabled, which obviously isn’t the actual frame rate. Testing the “performance” modes, it shows accurate VRR readings, but when the frames are down closer to 40fps, for whatever reason my TV isn’t showing me the actual refresh rate anymore. I had assumed that was because frames were below that 48hz threshold, but I don’t actually know for sure.
Under 48 fps the games are using low framerate compensation. This requires a 120hz container which is why games need to be patched to work properly if it goes below 48 fps. Sony could fix this by releasing an optional system wide 120hz output, but that will probably be another 1.5 years of waiting
@@TANuclear Do you know why, at least from my tests, I have never seen Spider-Man’s fidelity mode register as anything other than 119 hz on my C1? I think I get what you mean about using a 120hz container below 48fps. But I tried hard as I could to get the game to run faster than 48fps (looking at the sky, ground, etc), expecting to see my refresh rate to appear in the 50hz range for a bit, but couldn’t get it to happen. Perhaps the fidelity mode is “locked” into this container even if the true frame rate exceeds 48fps…?
VRR on PS5 is very hit or miss and depends a lot on the TV.
Does it work on capped PS4 games such as Assassin’s Creed Origins? Like raise the 30FPS to 40-50 FPS.
PS5.
Incrível como o VRR melhorou muito o frame rate até no modo gráfico
no esta en 4K el video 🥺
Is it noticeable? It's hard to tell from a TH-cam video.
Muito bom ! 👍🏻
I’m not sure if it’s a TH-cam thing but the VRR side seems to exhibit more stutter.
se ve increible, ojala se pueda jugar en pc algun dia
5:00 there was a mistake. English is supposed to be on the right.
Cada vez que sale un juego nuevo en multiplataforma, siempre espero uno de tus videos porque me encantan las comparaciones que haces 🤩
So now 4k is definitely playable
Huh? This is dynamic 1440p. Meaning 1440p is the highest. The resolution would only dip if the frame rate dipped below 60fps. The PS5 could always run this game the way it is here, they just capped it to 60 because without VRR such fluctuations in fps would be very noticeable.
@@nonyabusiness6084 fidelity mode is native 4k it’s the perf rt mode thats dynamic 1440p
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Could you please make more on Off vrr videos?
Would it be possible to upload this in 4k@60? Kind of hard to see more of a difference at 1080p60.
I don't think PS5 is gonna be silent anymore, any PC gpu when unlocking the fps cap is a hot mess.
@@ANTIQUELEGEND82 The video was uploaded at 4K/60FPS. Wait for it :)
How did you unlock the FPS cap fidelity mode? The other modes are unlocked but that one
but wait, if the tv supports 120 hrz and you activate the 120 hrz mode in the game racket and clank rift apart he specifies that if you have activated the 120 hrz mode plus the vrr you will also have double the latter.