That's the whole premise of Orion's book and the whole premise of all relationships romantic or otherwise. And it's one of the best books on relationships I have ever read. Asking me if I'm tired of looking at relationships as a value exchange (especially through red lenses) is like asking me if I'm tired of the Sun coming up in the morning. It doesn't matter if I'm tired of reality. It's gonna happen anyway. And I'm certainly not going to ignore reality in order to develop a dating strategy.
Truth. I bought my dream car. Thought it would help with women. Really cool sports car. But nothing about my life changed except for having a lot of debt.
Women buy their own cars, condos etc now. I get the ick if a man drives too flashy of a car, it makes me think he’s in debt or leasing and that he cares too much about other mens validation. On top of that if he doesn’t have social awareness and emotional intelligence I block immediately
I've got rejected few thousands times, but the feat and uncomfort of rejection doesn't go away, it's only temporarily numbs after a number of rejections during the day or a week, after some pause fear and uncomfort comes back with the full power.
@@vedmarth focus your time and energy on getting women attracted to you. get in shape (low body fat %) and make more money - that's what women really want. just like we want the most attractive woman we can get with an agreeable personality.
41:00 - what women want are guys that can show off to their friends - rich and good-looking. if you're both, they'll accept your bad behavior. focus your efforts on getting richer and more physically attractive. that's what really works. that's reality.
Orion is not correct on his idea that highly attractive women are approached less. The opposite is true. I studied this in detail. As a female friend (a true 10) told me "Men literally throw themselves at me"
@@steveos5112 They got unlimited online options but they are not approached so much in person. I am not talking of catcalling but real smooth approach from a decent man.
approaching in real life way better but if you do want to use dating apps. Remember to act like the employer - allow the potential partner to message you first... they want to step into your world not the other way around. so when you have an attractive profile they message you first!
If you entertain women who message you first, you get masculine women who will emasculate you. Why would you want to go thru that and have rebuild yourself. You know young men look at these videos and comments, stop giving bad advice. And you set yourself backwards by not figuring out thru trial and error what works and what does. Don’t try to cheat and entertain masculine women, you cheat yourself of ending up with an amazing feminine woman who can elevate you to greater inspiration. The older you get the harder it is to recover from emotional pain. Better to master these things younger when it’s easier to get back up
@954dreamer1 that seems very black and white. The fact is you both matched, so you have already taken the first step there. You know how many men message women on these apps? Be different, let her come to you. That just means her attraction is high. It's akin to a women dropping something right in front of you and saying oops! So you can talk to her. She's choosing and making the first step in an indirect way. And if she doesn't like you she can just day oh I just dropped something. Her choosing you with high attraction is not masculine at all. You have much to learn.
looks and status are the best ways to get girls to pursue you. I've had beautiful girls and girlfriends who chased me. if you're not good-looking, maybe you can be by getting your body fat % down to 10-12%. your face will be more chiseled and, therefore, more masculine. if you'll never be good-looking, figure out a way to be a minor celebrity in your community. when you approach a girl, she knows she has the upper hand. when she approaches you, you have the upper hand. peace.
Bam. I’ve been skinnyfat before being fit. Night and day. The RESPECT from men and LUST from women is hard to believe until you experience it. And I’m short, brown and bespectacled. Doesnt matter - lean, male model type muscle trumps all that.
@smater332000 please spread the word! too many lonely guys have no hope. most just need to get off their butts, hit the gym and get in a caloric deficit until 10-12% body fat %.
I love how you two men are adding to the conversation! Thank you for your insights, research, experience and sharing. I love how you practice what you recommend. I wish to give a different perspective on your comments about so-called ‘soft’ men. Instead, I see it rather as a higher level of integration, male/ female; yin/ yang, so that men are actually becoming self-actualized with all parts of self integrated. Men operating at this level of insight are our next generation leaders. Their integration will hopefully lead to a much higher level interaction on all levels in society.
It's so sad the advice these so called experts give. It boils down to money (in relation to age) and looks to women. Most men, in this economy, aren't cutting it, so they struggle. I know guys don't want to hear it but it's the truth. Not sure why this is so controversial to say.
This psychacks guy is extremely negative in his own videos. I am sad to see Alex and TNL partner with this dude. You guys are one of the few positive forces in a very dark, negative sphere.
@@hvymetallova7549 It propagates through influence. This guy not only steals valor but claims to not watch online content to be as original as possible. If you buy that, bless your heart. The name calling was unnecessary. Apologies.
Where does he say “everything I’m going to say is 100% originally thought of by me” ? No one’s thinking is all original to them. Not Rollo, Jordan, no one.
@@Quad038 I heard it several times in various interviews of his. When he visits other shows. People have already asked him where this profound thinking of his comes from and he has deliberately chosen to respond as I already mentioned. Tomassi and Peterson are extremely explicit about the studies they cite, which mostly come from David Buss, Gad Saad and other EvoPsych researchers. The "rejection means women think your lineage should end with you" is one of the oldest Peterson ideas he shared before the 2010s ins his University lectures, before being famous. It is the quintessential Petersonian idea because it includes both an evolutionary perspective with a very Nietzschean dramatic tint. It was a genius way of articulating men's experiences in a culture that, at the time, had absolutely nobody validating those struggles. The MRAs of the time were and still are extremely dissident, calling out gynocentrism and mostly focusing on criticizing women, not on directing some form of speech towards men. Rollo also keeps good track of these things. He continually calls out all the grifters that have taken from his work and twisting EvoPsych/Redpill ideas to fit other agendas at the time. You can trace how they think because they acknowledge their influences. Orion does not give any credit to anyone even though it is extremely obvious that he is recycling ideas from the people that came before him and aside from the problem I already laid out, he is definitely NOT adding more value. His only contribution so far is laying out how transactional relationships are and how traditional roles come from that, without taking Peterson's conservative bias, which makes him essentially a soft spoken and less wordy Rollo Tomassi.
I’m a highly analytical left brained man. I also am highly verbal, creative, musical - right brained. Trust me - the left brain is a good support, but YOU MUST LEAD WITH YOUR RIGHT BRAIN WITH WOMEN. Left brain = nerd.
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That's the whole premise of Orion's book and the whole premise of all relationships romantic or otherwise. And it's one of the best books on relationships I have ever read. Asking me if I'm tired of looking at relationships as a value exchange (especially through red lenses) is like asking me if I'm tired of the Sun coming up in the morning. It doesn't matter if I'm tired of reality. It's gonna happen anyway. And I'm certainly not going to ignore reality in order to develop a dating strategy.
Truth. I bought my dream car. Thought it would help with women. Really cool sports car. But nothing about my life changed except for having a lot of debt.
Bro
@@L.Hodsonjewelry is probably a better option tbh , not encouraging you to go into debt to do so tho
Are you a simp??
Women buy their own cars, condos etc now. I get the ick if a man drives too flashy of a car, it makes me think he’s in debt or leasing and that he cares too much about other mens validation. On top of that if he doesn’t have social awareness and emotional intelligence I block immediately
That's interesting you thought that what 👠 attracted too is what you like..
I've got rejected few thousands times, but the feat and uncomfort of rejection doesn't go away, it's only temporarily numbs after a number of rejections during the day or a week, after some pause fear and uncomfort comes back with the full power.
It's a sales position..
@@vedmarth focus your time and energy on getting women attracted to you. get in shape (low body fat %) and make more money - that's what women really want. just like we want the most attractive woman we can get with an agreeable personality.
Great Interview Alex, i really appreciate these conversations (this one and the one with Dr.Glover).
Their feedback is great :)
Another fantastic interview with another legend. Keep up the great content!
awesome great guest form david bond to Dr. Orion great content✌😎
Is David Bond still around?
you crushed it guys keep it up ♥
I would love this kind of thoughtful and great discussion re: guys trying to attract other guys for sensual & longterm relationships.
41:00 - what women want are guys that can show off to their friends - rich and good-looking. if you're both, they'll accept your bad behavior. focus your efforts on getting richer and more physically attractive. that's what really works. that's reality.
Fav guys ❤
Wow 2 of my favorite dating teachers in one place that's wild 🤩
a BMw z4...straight six..no V6
Im so tired of this nice guy talk. It's not that girls don't like "nice", it's that she wants it from th3 other guy, not you.
Is sales.. and sales is tough. 💪
Orion is not correct on his idea that highly attractive women are approached less. The opposite is true. I studied this in detail. As a female friend (a true 10) told me "Men literally throw themselves at me"
That’s one exception. How many other case studies do you have??
@@steveos5112 They got unlimited online options but they are not approached so much in person. I am not talking of catcalling but real smooth approach from a decent man.
@steveos5112 Many. I am writing a book on this topic and did a few research studies.
He is wrong about many things
but how many men do you see approaching her in the streets.
7:06
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approaching in real life way better but if you do want to use dating apps. Remember to act like the employer - allow the potential partner to message you first... they want to step into your world not the other way around. so when you have an attractive profile they message you first!
If you entertain women who message you first, you get masculine women who will emasculate you. Why would you want to go thru that and have rebuild yourself. You know young men look at these videos and comments, stop giving bad advice. And you set yourself backwards by not figuring out thru trial and error what works and what does. Don’t try to cheat and entertain masculine women, you cheat yourself of ending up with an amazing feminine woman who can elevate you to greater inspiration. The older you get the harder it is to recover from emotional pain. Better to master these things younger when it’s easier to get back up
@954dreamer1 that seems very black and white. The fact is you both matched, so you have already taken the first step there. You know how many men message women on these apps? Be different, let her come to you. That just means her attraction is high. It's akin to a women dropping something right in front of you and saying oops! So you can talk to her. She's choosing and making the first step in an indirect way. And if she doesn't like you she can just day oh I just dropped something. Her choosing you with high attraction is not masculine at all. You have much to learn.
You just simply won’t get any play with this strategy
@keeganstrannigan1837 it's worked FOR ME
@@keeganstrannigan1837 it works for me. A lot
looks and status are the best ways to get girls to pursue you. I've had beautiful girls and girlfriends who chased me. if you're not good-looking, maybe you can be by getting your body fat % down to 10-12%. your face will be more chiseled and, therefore, more masculine. if you'll never be good-looking, figure out a way to be a minor celebrity in your community. when you approach a girl, she knows she has the upper hand. when she approaches you, you have the upper hand. peace.
Bam. I’ve been skinnyfat before being fit. Night and day. The RESPECT from men and LUST from women is hard to believe until you experience it. And I’m short, brown and bespectacled. Doesnt matter - lean, male model type muscle trumps all that.
@smater332000 please spread the word! too many lonely guys have no hope. most just need to get off their butts, hit the gym and get in a caloric deficit until 10-12% body fat %.
I love how you two men are adding to the conversation! Thank you for your insights, research, experience and sharing. I love how you practice what you recommend. I wish to give a different perspective on your comments about so-called ‘soft’ men. Instead, I see it rather as a higher level of integration, male/ female; yin/ yang, so that men are actually becoming self-actualized with all parts of self integrated. Men operating at this level of insight are our next generation leaders. Their integration will hopefully lead to a much higher level interaction on all levels in society.
It's so sad the advice these so called experts give. It boils down to money (in relation to age) and looks to women. Most men, in this economy, aren't cutting it, so they struggle. I know guys don't want to hear it but it's the truth. Not sure why this is so controversial to say.
This psychacks guy is extremely negative in his own videos. I am sad to see Alex and TNL partner with this dude. You guys are one of the few positive forces in a very dark, negative sphere.
Apparently he knows nothing about dating apps. Women get all the matches. Men get almost zero matches and then act desperate and become Simps
Pretty sure he gets it. There is just the distinction between actual matches and potential matches.
I'm sorry but this is boring.. Ciao.
Look in the mirror ;-)
This guy is recycling ideas from Jordan Peterson and Rollo Tomassi while acting as if those ideas where his.
Well, truth propagates. Why do you assume Jordan Peterson and Rollo Tomassi came up with those ideas? Do ideas operate independently from humans even?
@@hvymetallova7549 It propagates through influence. This guy not only steals valor but claims to not watch online content to be as original as possible.
If you buy that, bless your heart.
The name calling was unnecessary. Apologies.
Where does he say “everything I’m going to say is 100% originally thought of by me” ?
No one’s thinking is all original to them. Not Rollo, Jordan, no one.
@@Quad038 I heard it several times in various interviews of his. When he visits other shows. People have already asked him where this profound thinking of his comes from and he has deliberately chosen to respond as I already mentioned.
Tomassi and Peterson are extremely explicit about the studies they cite, which mostly come from David Buss, Gad Saad and other EvoPsych researchers.
The "rejection means women think your lineage should end with you" is one of the oldest Peterson ideas he shared before the 2010s ins his University lectures, before being famous. It is the quintessential Petersonian idea because it includes both an evolutionary perspective with a very Nietzschean dramatic tint. It was a genius way of articulating men's experiences in a culture that, at the time, had absolutely nobody validating those struggles. The MRAs of the time were and still are extremely dissident, calling out gynocentrism and mostly focusing on criticizing women, not on directing some form of speech towards men. Rollo also keeps good track of these things. He continually calls out all the grifters that have taken from his work and twisting EvoPsych/Redpill ideas to fit other agendas at the time.
You can trace how they think because they acknowledge their influences. Orion does not give any credit to anyone even though it is extremely obvious that he is recycling ideas from the people that came before him and aside from the problem I already laid out, he is definitely NOT adding more value.
His only contribution so far is laying out how transactional relationships are and how traditional roles come from that, without taking Peterson's conservative bias, which makes him essentially a soft spoken and less wordy Rollo Tomassi.
@@nikeisagreekgoddess4135 Orion is a better communicator than those 2 on this topic its not even a question
I’m a highly analytical left brained man. I also am highly verbal, creative, musical - right brained. Trust me - the left brain is a good support, but YOU MUST LEAD WITH YOUR RIGHT BRAIN WITH WOMEN. Left brain = nerd.