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- Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is a monumental title, both in its scope, and its overall incredible gameplay. The narrative and overall writing of the game elevated FFVII's original story on nearly every level. However, after spending nearly 100 hours in Rebirth's Open World, and checking off just about every World Intel item Chadley dished out, Dave Klein came away with plenty of praise, but also a fair bit of criticism in how the open world, specifically, was handled.
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Quest markers are good. It doesn’t detract from my experience at all. When I have to aimlessly explore, that feels like I'm wasting time.
Same. I didn't feel bothered at all. I actually preferred that and still felt immersed. Must be a user choice/opinion.
It sounds like you don’t like exploration games then. I personally like when adventure games gently nudge you towards the direction of main story progression but the most satisfying sense of discovery only comes when you feel like you found something either by accident or because you were being observant of your environment.
@@unipachu I like exploring, but just knowing what quests are available and generally where to go doesn't ruin the fun for me like it does some people, apparently. I have _more_ fun when I know where to go, because it feels like a more efficient use of my time.
You can do both. I like secret dungeons.
The only bad thing about the open world was the gonganga region puzzle design layout. Area was painful to explore.
So true! It was such a pain figuring out paths to the towers and finding the right mushrooms to jump on, it was not fun at all. Other regions were great though
it's lore-accurate though, so I kinda liked the challenge
I thought it was great, and gave the area its own character that fit with the original story
I agree I see it’s getting a lot of hate but I quite enjoyed figuring it out
Gongaga is hands down my favorite area ane based around the part where you find Typhon summon materia and Cloud sword apocalypse in the og FF.
I like how the towers were handled in Horizon Forbidden West - one large tower per region that are truely unique to scale. It introduces interesting puzzles to solve but also means that it can be gate kept until you have been in the region for some time, either by unlocking a skill or just being hidden away. By doing this there is a better mix of up front exploration followed by an eventual full reveal.
I feel like something I would have loved to have in this game is secret dungeons in each region. No map marker, but if you find this dungeon, there are puzzles, combat, with a boss at the end of it and good rewards for completing. I get the OG ffvii didn’t have dungeons, but I remember how awesome it felt diving into the temple of the ancients in rebirth and just feeling like “woah, there’s so much down here!”
Yes! And that’s where you should find the summons. They should be secret quests like the old games.
You mean like every other open world game in existence? There is absolutely no reason to explore other than the odd trinket or restorative on the ground and it always ends up being a waste of time, especially when you're forced to explore. It also isn't open world. It's exactly the same layout as any other final fantasy game in the series except there's no loading screen when enter a new region. That one detail is supposedly what transformed it into open world, but it was lie on Square Enix's behalf to build hype for the game. They claimed it was open world even though it wasn't and tried to say no loading screens makes it open world.
Yeah Chadley and the checklist stuff is definitely the weakest aspect of the game.
I think all they need is more unique elements per region. No towers, no Chadley chatting every five minutes...just let us explore and find unique things. Also why can't we find optional weapons in the regions?
One of my big annoyances was the towers not removing the smoke from the maps, or just unlocking parts of the maps in general.
Im fine with that. I prefer removing the fog by exploring every corner of the map with my team. Gives me a sense of knowing I actually explored everything rather than having everything revealed. Guess that's also a habit of a veteran gamer. 😅
Way too used to the way breath of the wild and tears of kingdom handle that
Nah that was the better way to do it, smoke will clear when you get there by yourself
A good attempt at an Open World but it's more of a repetition across regions except for how Chocobos interact with the world
As someone who likes the Ubisoft model because I enjoy markers and waypoints and not getting lost, FF7 Rebirth was right down my alley
That's cool! Hopefully I made it clear that it wasn't a "wrong" choice, just not my personal preference.
If you love Assassin's Creed and Far Cry then you'll love Rebirth, but if you're more into BotW and Elden Ring, Dragons Dogma 2's world is more like those.
I don't like assassin's breed or far cry anymore. I love Elden Ring and Zelda but Rebirth's open world is just as good and way more fun.
Far cry doesn’t have tons of minigames though. It was the reason I quite after chapter 7.
@@HolyJonteit didn’t really add anything unique. Just more padding to the runtime. You are literally doing like 3 task over and over again. Go to a spring and press triangle 3 times is so fun.
The difference is that this is padding for an epic, all time narrative that is timeless. DD2 and Elden Ring are about challenge and don’t feature the characters or story FF7 or BOTW does. It’s not comparable
@@HolyJonte this guy clearly never played ER and BotW haha
I finished the game at 70 hours. And I agree with many of the points you mentioned. Once I got to the Gongaga, I felt tired and exhausted of doing the side quests (which felt like a chore) and just went ahead with the main story. Overall, 9/10 for me.
I think the open world tasks didn’t feel toooo repetitive, but I think it really rides the line though. By the time I got to cosmo canyon and nibelheim that was the first time I felt any fatigue, and even then I completed like 75% of the open world tasks before getting fatigued and moving on.
Ikr? It's the charm of FF7 universe really, and definitely the party-based combat system. It's really hard get fatigues when you are showered with beautiful sceneries with amazing soundtracks and have the option to switch party members to keep the combat refreshing
Somehow I get the feeling this guy REAAAALLY doesn't like pressing triangles at lifesprings... :P
Anyone know what's the song playing in the intro? It's a tifa theme, don't think ive heard it in the game??
It’s Tifa’s Theme from the prologue Nibelheim portion - search “Tifa’s Western Theme” and you should find it. :)
As much I adore this game, I rolled my eyes so effin hard when the towers for Chadley popped up. I did enjoy all of the monster hunts though
I personally hate the towers. Even from a gameplay perspective. They kinda ruin the landscapes for me. And i hate Chadley talking every 5 seconds from that device. I dont hate him as a character but i felt like i couldn't do a thing in the open world without him or MAI interrupting me at every possible moment.
You can discover things on your own AND/OR use your map. The game is not forcing you to use your map.
Options is the name of the game with Rebirth. It’s up to you how you approach exploration.
Oh so I can discover the lazy Ubisoft towers and lifesprings on my own? Talk about a game changer! That’ll definitely enhance my enjoyment of doing them! Watch out Elden Ring
Rebirth’s open world feels more like a showcase to me where the designers intended for players to experience every inch of the map as long as they were to complete all of the world intel. In that sense I can appreciate how much detail they’ve put on every map and how meticulously handcrafted it all is. But I feel like once you complete the world intel for each map there’s not much incentive to keep exploring since you’ve basically seen everything there is to see.
After playing dragons dogma 2 I think I enjoy that type of open world where there’s a lot more you can discover organically. Even though its open world is nowhere near as detailed or grand as rebirth the sense of exploration was much more enjoyable for me in the long run.
That being said the initial exploration for each of rebirth’s maps was amazing. Exploring Junon for the first time blew my mind. Every time I thought I reached the end of the map it just kept going. But once I finished all the intel and done all of the side content I ended up never going back
Overall I think rebirth’s open world makes the game feel tight and focused as if you’ve fully accomplished an adventure but it doesn’t feel like it’s an endless expanse with total freedom. That’s not necessarily a bad thing it just depends on your preference. In a way I think it enhances the overall narrative and makes the game feel like a neatly wrapped package. It just left me feeling like I wanted more in the end. I still adore this game and final fantasy in general. I just hope the series can keep their momentum going and constantly improve wherever possible
I feel the segmented world design helps with balancing. You can only get so strong in a given region so you'll be well-leveled for the chokepoints
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FF 7 has a large story to tell u unlike Zelda or Elden Ring. I think you could just skip the towers and stuff and don’t look at the map if you want that kinda discovery from the other games. I do think the game could use less Chadley though. But objective markers isn’t a bad idea in a story focused game this large
Is it open world like forbidden west or zero dawn or not really. I need to know so I can get it
Activate tower, scan crystal, scan another crystal, find three items in one icon, dig up three items in one area, fight enemies but with rules that don’t really mean much. Do fetch quests. Do one actual cool quest then realize it’s repeated three times each region. Do some minigames, a few which are cool and most which just exists.
There you go, that’s every new area in Rebirth summarized. Mindless and fast points of interest.
For me the materia and extra character story moments were worth doing all the side quests for. All games can get repetitive, but for some reason this game didn’t really bother me. I started getting tired of the open world tasks and told myself I was just going to b line the rest of the game, when I got to Cosmo Canyon. I ended up 100%ing it. lol I took my time with the game and am still playing it.
don't watch if u haven't finished, spoilers in the video
Thanks mate
One thing i did during my play through was activating the remnant towers at the very end which made it feel like i was actually exploring the other parts of the region
Tons of people here responding with comments and opinions without even having watched the video as your video is well crafted and has several good points and is just good criticism.
Lots of commenters here are just tribal. If only you had to watch a whole video before TH-cam allowed someone to comment.
this game is the "if Ubisoft made it" meme come to life lol
and the most brain dead youtube comment of the day goes to...
its really not... ubisoft could never make a game as good as this
@@preslim84they could, they just need a good composer and some dude who knows a thing or two
about making mid minigames.
After the 20th Ubisoft tower I started singing a version of Yuffie’s Chocobo song as I was climbing them:
Uuuu bisoft ubisoft U-B- soft! I’m on a Ubisoft! You’re on a Ubisoft!
I enjoyed the game for the most part but it wasn’t perfect. People act like they can’t admit the game has faults.
The part about the markers is so true. I quickly stopped activating the towers, as they remove all the wow effect of discoveries. And this transformed the experience I must say. I could finally wander around and explore as I wanted, and finding new places/things to do on my own really made a difference. I strongly suggest people avoid the towers if they want this type of experience. The counter argument would be that some specific activities will only appear if you activate a couple towers but it's really a couple of them on each map, but I usually just explore, and activate the towers last when I see that I've done most of the map.
Dave! I've missed You! I'm a fan of your Supershows and your OG Channel as a whole!
Nice video. I agree with most of your critic but overall this game is FANTASTIC!
Aww, thanks! :)
I agree - overall I loved the game! Absolutely cannot wait for part 3!
I hope for part 3, the area we explored in Rebirth is open from the start and don’t have to redo towers. Also scale down and have all of the busy work limited to the new regions (protorelics, towers, lifesprings, etc.)
This is a really insightful criticism of the game, highlighting areas for development. Your criticisms of the quest markers are well taken, but personally, I think they should have included an option to disable them
The option is right there in the form of dont activate the towers.
Rebirth is amazing! The open world offered far more than I was expecting.
Personally I’d love them to release an update that allows me to turn off all navigation markers and navigation assists such as the owls and glowing stones. It’s easier for an area to be memorable when you have to pay closer attention to discover things. -I would totally opt in to a no navigation second play through in a year from now.
I love the suggestion about each party member being over a specific region intel, such as red for life springs to ease up on chandler a bit. I also would love more character specific traversal styles with some slightly more challenging puzzles in the open world. (More cait sith sized areas to roll thru, walls for red to scale, Barrett’s guns to unlock ladders, etc)
Add materia load outs. Add Summon battles in the wild. Consolidate the ending to 2 timelines.
I feel these changes would elevate this game even more than it already is!
I’m so lazy I wish the game has auto builds and parties that switch and adjust on the fly based on enemy situations
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I’m glad that they gave quest and map marker. It helps me focus on what I really want to do. I can skip all open world stuffs on grassland then return to complete when I feel like to do it. You can do open world non-marker without opening the towers anyways.
For the VR, I like to have more fights and it is repeatable and groups everything in one place. Overall, I really love how they designed the game except for Chadley noti sound that comes too often 😂😂
For me the biggest issue was not that you were told where to go next, it is that even if you went off track to explore, there was really nothing exciting to explore.
Yes there are no hidden secrets or dungeons to amaze, in this regard FFXV did it much better (though I hate that game), note that I'm not talking about missable items.
God knows we should never include missable items the same way we got rid of random encounters. But at least try to add hidden dungeons and secrets.
Players should not be punished for going about their own way but instead be delighted when they stumble upon hidden sections of the map.
Also another point is that they should've made each region and town more unique, you basically already know after the first place what to expect for every other generic town you'll visit, same type of quests and towers to unlock.
I hated how the summons weren’t found in the world as part of quests.
Me too. VR makes them feel unreal
I love the fact it was broken up by regions. As he mentioned, it’s similar to how the original worked. And for story purposes. But when you get the Tiny Bronco and can then go anywhere. Sure you can fast travel but you can just ‘drive’, I guess, there. Just like in the original. Can’t wait to see how they tackle the Airship.
the market tells you where not to go if you are the explorer type, and tells you where to go if you just want to just follow the story
works for everyone
I guess for games that rely heavily in big character/story moments, make sense for those to have markers. Since open world games exist, it's always a challenge balance the freedom of exploration and control the flow of the story.
I guess, in a game like FF7 Rebirth, where the devs want to replicate the same path that players took in the og game, you need to put some restrictions and guide the player in some way. It wouldn't make sense to tell some things in disorder because the player could discover regions "in the incorrect order".
In Elden Ring and TOTK/BOTW on the other hand, where the story moments are more cryptic and open to interpretation, it's okay that the game lets you do whatever you want. And even so, Zelda puts a big marker in each divine beast/temple, later in Hyrule Castle and Elden Ring does the same thing in the Erdtree.
It all depends on intent and purpose.
I do love the side content in FF7R, the objective of pressing triangle in the lifestream is kinda meh butI am always all-in for some lore and world building, I appreciate the log that these quests add where you can read more about the area you're in. But the battle challenges where Chandley talks through the controller, man, I hate those haha.
As a former FF 14 player, it felt like elements of the MMO were added to rebirth. I haven't beat it yet but the open world portion is starting to get tedious. Unless there is some weapons or items for later that are needed I'm on the verge of skipping the side quest.
Wish you guys would do this type of video discussing specific design elements in a bit of detail more often. I myself find these much more useful and interesting than the standard reviews.
In any case, definitely agree on how disappointing it is to stumble upon something interesting while exploring an open world only to find out that you can only interact with it by following the rigid questing system. I can understand stuff being locked out when they are tied to a linear narrative (although that opens up its own problems) but being able to seamlessly find and challenge optional bosses would have been preferable here.
Thanks! I’d love to make more stuff like this for GameSpot.
@@DaveControlLiveYou did a good job articulating it. A lot of people just have a vague feeling they just don’t like something but misidentify the reason why, leading to needless arguments I have to quickly scroll past. Thanks for that!
More than anything, one simple word describe 90% of what's wrong with the open world activities:
Chadley.
God, how I hate Chadley.
I have a wife and 3 kids and will often go days without being able to play to then be able to only play for an hour or two. As a result, I appreciate the map markers telling me where to go and what I was doing the last time I played. While I get why you would want to have more discovery involved, the original was pretty linear throughout until after Rocket Town so I feel like the map markers make it feel more like the original.
I agreed, less guidance make exploration way better. I recommend turning off compass and mimimap.
There’s nothing wrong with markers. Not every game needs to be like Zelda or Elden Ring. None of those games have party based gameplay either, why is no one bashing those games then? Games can took different approach and is still good. I feel like Rebirth is a good mixture of both formula, when you unlock the tower, it doesn’t reveal every thing around it like the Ubisoft games do, so it has that sense of mystery for players to discover.
Botw and Elden ring had quest did have quest markers for the major things
Rebirth is just remake but open world it isn’t too different world map wise to the game before.
So i at least apriciate the quest markers. As a person who actively gets distracted in open worlds it's very useful.
Gamespots fall from grace is fantastic to watch.. They have been a negativity factory this whole next gen...
This whole current gen?
@@Hunterbidens-crackdealer yeah in my opinion, as a massive fan of GameSpot since like 2005 (shout-out to 2009 Game of the year demons Souls by GameSpot) but can't consume the content after so much embarrassing decisions, especially the Hogwarts legacy instance yikes...
they tried to do a better open world than FF16, there is more content for sure, but are all repetitive tasks besides the protorelic quests that are different for every region. This open world looks like the ubisoft's checklists worlds that are designed just to you spend more hours playing, there isn't a real reward feeling to explore the areas, like you have when playing elden ring or zelda BOTW.
I actually wouldnt mind having the FF16 hunt board instead of the game telling me to go to this marker and fight a special monster. I also think that the game kind of guides you a lot because it was easy to get lost in the OG game and newer players would lose interest in a game they dont really understand. So, I get it, but I wouldve liked to have a little more mystery in finding things and I also wish the towers did clear the fog of war instead of just adding markers to head to certain places. I do hope that the final game will bring the story home and deliver an experience like FF16 did.
My guy, dont activate the towrrs 😂
This was nothing like stepping out onto the great plateau or leaving the tutorial of Elden Ring because you can't go to any of the places you see, which is what defines open world, if you see something you can go there. I didn't feel that it got anything right. The maps are just as linear and almost identical to those of the past, the only difference is that each region is connected without a loading screen. That doesn't make it open world, they also gave you a map that wouldn't help even if the entire game was linear and there was only one path to take, the compass is plagued by the same issues as Xenoblade Chronicles 2 only somehow worse because the world isn't really worth exploring aside from data points so when it leads you astray it just feels like a waste of your time. You can't trust the compass at all because the game is so linear, and it will lead you into walls or circles. It also wasted a lot of your time in some sequences that would take upwards of an hour while you just wander around interacting with everything in an area and watching cutscenes.
I disagree that map, markers or goal indicators on the map, somehow took away from players being able to explore the world. There was plenty within the world to draw you into all these nooks and crannies and places that you otherwise wouldn’t explore there were the birds that would hoot, and Fly over you and direct you towards a life spring. There were people that would cry for help. There were prompts from Mai that would suggest a fiend was in the area to battle. I believe there was a good balance between directing people where to go and allowing them to explore.
He explains in the video that what you're saying applies but some areas you come across cannot be used until you get the actual quest for it. So the whole explore on your own thing yields no rewards, it's basically a waste of time which you're entitled to enjoy of course.
I still dont get why people are upset about quest markets, they tell you where you need to go for progressions sake but its bot like you ate forced to go in that direction. I weird complaint I never understood
I think I explained it fairly well?
Having a quest marker takes away from ‘you’ discovering something. It’s already been discovered for you. And, especially in open worlds, I think there’s a lot of joy to be had in discovery.
Either way, totally cool if you like quest markers/dont mind them. Ultimately, this is all subjective.
@@DaveControlLive but that's the thing you didn't discover, just because someone tells you something is there you dont discover it until you witness it yourself. And you are right it is all subjective and opinionated and my opinion is that its a dumb complaint. But thanks for the response.
@@AmacioMartin Except when the content sets a precedent early on where it tells you that the marker content has no variety it’s not really a discovery because you’ll know exactly what awaits. I see a lifespring icon, tower icon, divine intel icon, fiend icon, I 100% know what I’m getting. There is no sense of discovery whatsoever. Only protorelic stuff and those final fiend intels are interesting. Even the protorelic content just repeats itself three times. You could remove the markers and it would still feel repetitive.
@Mohgenstein don't get it wrong the map makers in this game are utilized in non engaging way and overall, it isn't a fun or engaging open world. But I'm saying the use of map makers isn't bad the way it's used is. And I get your point, but far more people who play these games don't want to have to find stuff they want to know where things are and engage with those things on their terms.
@@AmacioMartinYes I agree. Games can have map markers yet be good. Witcher 3 for example or Fallout NV.
I don’t think this particular, already very story focused title necessarily needed to focus on discovery in the same way as BOTW, or create story side quests that you stumble upon the way that The Witcher 3 and RDR2 had (and who knows exactly which route Part 3 will take regarding this design choice).
That being said, the world Intel content is def repetitive and does feel like a chore when it comes to the simple lifestream minigames, moogle minigames, and whatever else (the combat ones and proto relic quests get a pass from me). But I can’t think of a better solution. One could just not look at the map and simply explore, and I think there’s a way to turn off the compass at the top, no? If that is indeed possible, you can actually play the game with that same sense of discovery as the other aforementioned open-world titles to downplay the repetitiveness of those simple minigames. I guess you can just cover the top bar of your TV too. Lol.
In retrospect, I really wouldn’t change a single thing about the game [design]… except that ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE CAIT SITH SEQUENCE that most definitely lasts FAR TOO LONG 💀💀💀
Just wait till part 3, open world it will be
The green side quests were actually very story dense and rewarding.
This review barely talks about them or the Queens Blood lore, protorelic games and lore, Purple Discovery lines and others ....
There is a difference between the chadley bait and the actually good sidequests. And there are a tonne of these good side quests to explore!
I (usually) liked the protorelic stuff, so I didn’t have much to critique about it. I actually think they’re the only things that made sense for Chadley. Similarly, the green side quests I had no critique for. (But to be balanced I should have mentioned that).
I don’t consider Queen’s Blood to be an aspect of the open world. You find all of the bouts in the villages, and they’re totally separate from the open world design.
The last few Brutal and Legendary Combat Simulations are very difficult! It's all I have left to 100% the game and it's a challenge, l like it!!
finally someone talking about this stuff. Open world doesn't always make a game better. This game woulda been MUCH better without the open world padding. People were complaining about the padding in the first game but this game like triples the padding. Combat, story telling, and characters are all AMAZING but way too much monotonous content that takes away from those things
I can appreciate having a map full of markers in a game like World of Warcraft, where the goal is get things done as quickly and efficiently as possible due to its competitive nature. Even in WOW it gets tiresome as that’s been the structure for the past 10 years. But I don’t think it has a place in single player games
FFVII Rebirth isn't an open world game, it just has an open world game inside of it. I think for compulsive completionists, this game is a nightmare. But if you can turn that part of yourself off and just explore the map on your own or go to where the side quests tell you to go, you'll find yourself completing most of the tasks on the way pretty organically.
Yea without quest markers to get all areas intel done and finish all chapters it was 154 hours without quest markers it could have doubled that lol I'm good but I do agree with you still.
Dragon's Dogma 2 map traversal is great coz up to the player actually discovering things.
So is Rebirth.
@@shatterpointgaming215 Discover your fifth “press this button at the right time” point of interest on the map. 😆
This is an RPG, quest markers are the correct design choice, you want an adventure game with a thinner story? Get BOTW, exploration and adventure is not what I look for in an RPG. BOTW is just wandering and getting lost constantly, the only reason it works is because any shrine counts as your next step. Segmentation is also the correct choice.
So to summarize: Chadley!!!
I disagree with the exploration mission marker point.
This isnt a western rpg. And it reminds you where you need to go when you've had enough of exploring.
Which is likely to happen
Western RPGs both have and don't have markers. It's not a culturally specific thing, it's just handholding in a video game. The maps are divided by chapters and they aren't even that big with visually distinct main story areas, how exactly are you forgetting where you need to go? They can just add a quest log and you always have least 4 other party member to nudge if needed. Some markers are fine, this is overkill.
@@sws212 my point on it being an jrpgs was for me because of how the original was. Where most of the time you are just going from place to place anyway. The plot although it was in an open world map. The destinations you were traveling to was a fairly linear path. You generally just headed straight for it.
But either way I didn't really have an issue with how rebirth handled it. Made it easy to choose to do or avoid doing the main quest. As there's nothing more frustrating that accidentally walking into the next story segment when your trying to finish something off then getting locked out of the previous area.
This game was expensive to make. To justify making an expensive game, it needs to be designed for mass appeal.
When designing something for mass appeal, the designer should make the default option accessible to everybody and then create choices and options that allow a more advanced experience for more advanced players.
The way this works in rebirth is that you can complete most of the open world objectives before going to the towers through the natural exploration of the world. That way, the fun of the lifesprings is not pressing triangle to activate it, but instead the journey to find it.
For the side content, they only give you markers for the tower locations at first. IF you are the kind of player who needs or wants or prefers the more challenging experience of exploring the world without objective markers, you don't need to go do an extra thing like turn off the markers, you actually need to do 1 less thing which is to ignore the towers until you have finished exploring. It's not the games fault that you chose to go out of your way to activate more objective markers.
This is a great line of defense and gives insight into the reasons for the design choices. You should apply to blizzard as a PR strategist, they certainly haven't managed anything this coherent.
@GingerDrums I work in a different industry. The "products" I design are just internal resources for our employees to use. I am just speaking as a fan of the games and have some very basic knowledge on product design fundamentals. I guess it is sad if games companies aren't articulating concepts like this to consumers more clearly.
Ubisoft open world vs Elden Ring open world : This is a false and useless debate. Open world structure is just the form of a game, it's not its substance. If a game is really good, it has no importance if it's quest markers (The Witcher 3/ Cyberpunk) or less guided (BOTW/Elden Ring). FF7 Rebirth has the charm and the soul that none of the Ubisoft games will ever offer.
Loved Rebirth but definitely had some gripes with it.
1. Too much filler content. My playthrough took 107 hours. I could have easily removed 30 hours of filler. I dont mind side stuff and some filler, but felt like this game had too much filler.
2. Chadley is insanely annoying. He talks non stop, every time you do anything. They need to dial him way back.
3. Each region while looking different, felt repetitive in a way because of having the same side stuff. Oh hey, scan 5 more towers, scan 4 more life stream crystals, 3 summon temples etc. Wish each region had its own unique stuff.
4. Too many mini games that for the most part, you have to do. Im fine if they are there and 100% optional, but alot of them were annoying and you needed to do them.
5. Some regions were too complicated to traverse. Mainly Gongaga but even parts of Cosmo Canyon i had difficulties finding certain places/things.
I know i listed only gripes here but dont get me wrong, the game was incredible overall. FF7R2 did alot of truly amazing things.
Did yall do this with starfield too?
Square Enix needs to see this video
For reasons you mentioned, Elden Ring is my favorite open world. I love how organic discovering it all feels.
Also tell me you have absolutely no investment in the universe of FF7 without telling me you have no interest
Imo the only thing they got right was the size its not overtly big, but everything else they got wrong
“Pressing triangle on a lifestream” complaining about repeated things saying repeated things.
Complaining about "complaining about repeated things saying repeated things"
The crazy thing about Rebirth to me is that it feels like they designed the open world in such a way that it would provide that real sense of discovery (even the map has the same topography element to that makes Elden Ring's map so great) but then at some point in development it was decided to makes exploration easier and so they added a bunch of markers & made it so you can fast travel to any location. Like a play tester got horribly lost during a session of something.
What's wrong with fast travel?...even elden ring has fast travel. As long as your world is fun to explore and discover the first time there's no reason to hamper a players ability to get where they need to go. To be fair, true fast travel throughout the world of rebirth doesn't even unlock until like 80% of the way through. It was designed this way to make the world feel vast and back tracking to a certain location would take time, that way when you unlock the means to go anywhere at anytime it felt rewarding. I agree with the markers and points of interest though, would have much preferred to have discovered it in an organic manner instead of being pointed to where everything was. I also thought they could've changed how you interact with each POI from biome to biome, just to break up the monotony. At the end of the day though these POI's tied into the gameplay loop well so they were worth ticking off even if they got repetitive fast.
I’m sorry but waypoints are NEVER a bad thing I don’t have time to wander around a massive map in a game that takes upward of 60 hrs critical path and 100 hrs plus with exploration, and people who do ITS LITERALLY THEIR JOB TO DO SO ie game streamers
Sounds like the very definition of RPG is not your cup of tea.
You don’t have time to do that yet you have time to be on TH-cam commenting about how you apparently don’t have time.
aww I’ve angered somebodies ego🤷🏾♂️
You realize if you just spent time wandering around the map instead of going to every Tower you actually find a lot of this stuff and can activate it and start it without Chad... you don't always need to find them via the towers or via Chadley... you could have done what I did for example and explored the entire region first and then went about unlocking the towers and whatnot this way I already have a lot of the Chocobo stops unlocked a lot of fast travel points unlocked and a lot of crafting materials already in my pocket..... and since I know where all their locations are I can easily now go back to them when I need to for which ones I want clear them out real fast and move on
I swear you journalists don't actually play these games do you....
The first 5 seconds of this video are literally me showing my 98 hours of playtime. I swear, you TH-cam commenters don’t actually watch these videos, do you.
As to your actual point - yes, I know you don’t have to do the towers first.
The point is more-so that this is what you’re shown to do, and you’re given the immediate tools of your map and compass showing these locations. Most players will use these tools, because they are a convenience. You can certainly argue (as you are) that them being optional means players can play however they choose, I disagree, and think it causes most players to play a certain way, and it takes away from a different type of experience.
Take, for example, Dark Souls. You can’t fast travel in the first half of the game, and when the remaster came out, many argued they should give you fast travel right off the bat. Because it’s convenient, and players can ‘choose’ not to use it. But by simply adding that convenience, it takes away any tension (in that particular game) that not having fast travel cleverly creates, which is a big point of that game.
If a game like Breath of the Wild had given the player map markers with all of the shrine and korok locations, even if it was ‘optional’, most players would opt to use it, and it would have created an entirely different experience.
That is my point here. I, personally, think discovery in an open world is a better experience. And these tools you are immediately shown and encouraged to use, which most players will use, is actually taking away from them having a better experience with the game - because they are no longer getting to discover things, or use their brains to realize “I should follow multiple giant cosmo canyon signs to get to cosmo canyon” rather than just defaulting to using a quest maker.
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But hey, why not just immediately assume the worst of someone you minorly disagree with about a video game? Someone who, by the way, studied game design and computer science, has been working on making a game for over a year in their downtime, was a TH-camr for years before working for GameSpot, and doesn’t even consider themself a “journalist”.
Ironically (besides the music) the grasslands was the least interesting open world for me that felt vast just for the sake of feeling vast. However, the rest of the regions are incredibly well thought out and designed. The entirety of the Corel region is one of my favorite worlds ever in a video game.
The mogle mini games section are terrible
Why do all the publications have to tiptoe and beat around the bush and then indirectly point out why FF7 Rebirth is an outdated game that is too scared to get out of the tried and true cliches? IGN in many videos also did the same 10% it’s a good game! and then 90% here’s what I’d like to improve it kind of videos
This was my personal opinion around the game. And for the most part, I loved it, but felt some elements in the open world had flaws. Some of that, though, I think was my subjective preferences (as you can clearly see in the comments on this video - some people strongly disagree about the game having flaws). Anyways, I wasn’t trying to tiptoe around my thoughts.
The titling was just because I thought it was a good title? Haha. I dunno, TH-cam titles are extremely difficult to figure out.
It's a perfect rpg game
Hello
There is absolutely nothing wrong with FF7 Rebirth open world. "Journalists" just wanted to rush through it faster to make your paid articles.
dude literally played 100 hours of the game.
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The game feels like a giant side quest and the open feels like Ubisoft made it.
100%. When I was doing meaningful story progression it was great but 90% of the game feels like anime filler
The game is good, too much fluff and minigames. Just get on with it..
Agree drag that portion of the game on it felt like a choir
Fr who tf has 4 hours a day to play 😂😂
it’s kind of crazy how much they copied skyrim…..
The world is fine and there is nothing to complain about here. He just needed to make a video
If this was not final fantasy, this open world task list would have been utterly trashed by the gaming community. This game gets a pass just because it’s Final Fantasy which is BS.
"towers = ubisoft" has got to be the dumbest gamer-brained thing i continue to see everywhere lol
Gotta get that sweet ad revenue with the keywords "open world." Notice how many times that term was used in this video? This was totally scripted by AI.
It's so dumb indeed, because in that case Zelda BOTW is Ubisoft too 😅
@@alexandrostype-2211 BOTW tower doesn’t mark any locations and they actually provide a great sense of the world around you letting your sense of curiosity guide you to places. Rebirth towers on the other hand are tiny and are just there to open up icons on the map.
So you want game to become botw and Elden ring. Lol. It's story and cinematics heavy game lol. Stop asking every game to be like other game and try to understand for what devs vision is and who their target audience is.
Wow. You really don’t like pressing triangle.
Rii schens
If you like repetitive checklist open world acirivities, then Rebirths open world is good.
I like the story. I don't care for a game ran on side quests. I'm going to say that probably 80% of the game is repetitive side quests with annoying mini games sprinkled in.
I despised the open world. Most overrated game ever IMO
As much as I love the game. Its idea of an open world is terrible it’s just your typical Ubisoft open world game design.
I find myself preferring the design of Zelda, dragons dogma & ER far more