Also, who tf cares? You don't need a degree in journalism to be knowledgeable at it. Journalism, like a lot of art, falls under "Yeah, it's cool if you went to school for it, but it's not a requirement." There are things where a degree HELPS, and there are things where a degree is REQUIRED. Journalism-->Help. Qualifications in child safety devices-->degree (or certification)
Dispatcher here. I just wanted to say these women handled these calls fabulously! The second call taker was amazing. Her questions after the 500th "she's behaving erratically" was attempting to see if the caller knew if this "erratic behavior" was different from the subject's baseline behavior. As soon as she established this caller did NOT know the subject personally and had no way of knowing the subject's baseline behavior, she was done with the shenanigans. We deal with SO MUCH. We literally do not have time to deal with petty internet drama!!! Every call has to be dispatched for safety reasons. If you're calling on some BS, we can smell it!! We KNOW that you're wasting valuable resources. KNOCK IT OFF!!
As a therapist/mental health professional, hearing them misuse wellness checks like that is disgusting. What a waste of precious resources. How is that not an ethical violation as a lawyer?
It's probably one of many ethical violations. Hopefully, the attorneys working with Caffienated Kitti and The Girlies are working on it. State Bar Associations are slow, though.
I have dealt with mental health issues throughout my life and have been lucky to have the support to get where I am today. The way people are now using 'therapy language' to hide their negative intentions is so frustrating. Wellness checks are not great anyway but to intentionally use it to mess with someone is disgusting. A lawyer of all people should know that's unacceptable. It doesn't even support her client and could actually undermine her case. It's like getting all the other athletes kicked out on technicalities and thinking that's the same as winning first place. That's not your job and now it's about what they did wrong not what you did right.
It's also considered a crime to misuse 911..... To call, report bs, use dispatchers & police resources is not only wrong on sooo many levels , it's also a crime!!! And for a "lawyer" to do it is even worse!!!!
@@yesitschelle she definitely has at least one complaint for it that a lawyer submitted. Likely others. I've heard many of the people she targeted put in complaints. Also pretty illegal to call in a false 911 call.
It definitely should be but this will be a lengthy case, there are so many different stories and people involved it will really be interesting to see how this plays out in court. Most of the things this lawyer is doing is not ok, regardless of the outcome of what happens Janet will have some sort of repercussions.
@SonjaHamburg here in the US, in English, we would pronounce it "bron" usually. The UA gets pronounced as a an long/hard O. I understand where you are coming from, as 2nd gen German-American who's married to a 1st gen German-American. It is a very topic of conversation 😂.
As someone who observes a lot of custody court: While this is all a shitty situation, thank GOD Janet didn’t go into family law. She would have most likely ruined SO many lives from the jump there. In my opinion.
I’ve been telling my fiancée to go get partial custody of his daughter. He is so scared he won’t be able to because the courts always side with the mother and this mother is really into lying. 😕 What have you seen if you don’t mind me asking? I am in PA. ❤ Thanks!
@@victorial8764 This is obviously depending but I wouldn't worry about the court siding w/ the mother. If he gets a lawyer who gives a damn he'll do just fine in family law court. I work for a family law firm and the tendency for judges when there's kids involved is to split custody. So long as the parent is actively wanting to be involved and not on drugs/getting arrested judges WANT both parents to be involved. As much as the mom wants to lie it will need to be proved in court. We do custody cases with complete sociopaths involved on both sides and judges are good at sniffing the BS out.
Gabbie: my attorney is draining my bank account Also Gabbie: my attorney sent us all this sushi thank you! Me: WHO DO YOU THINK IS FOOTING THIS BILL FOR THIS
Something i wish more people would talk about is how in the police phonecalls they said they were worried kitti would hurt “herself OR OTHERS” basically insinuating she might be violent, therefore putting her at a huge risk for apprehension/serious harm !!!
Depending on the state and country these wellness checks can be rather "harmless", or can get you into a ward for an evaluation, involuntarily. Lauren in one video said she didn't do it as a form of swatting but I have read comments that some people were "greeted" by the police with guns out. Kind of swatty..
'harm to yourself or others' is basically a dog whistle for 'put this person in a padded room and make them loose their job'. Especially if it comes from a mandatory reporter like an attorney, doctor, or teacher. @@MinkxiTes
A lawyer doing that absurd “wellness check” should earn her an appearance before the bar and a very significant fine. I loved how that dispatcher was reacting to her. What Janet said about being “an officer of the court” and having an “obligation,” was so bizarre. Fabulous video CC!
The fact you made an hour and a half long video on all this no sponsor possible demonetization and put together such a well educated beautifully edited might I add. We also know the time and effort you put in for research too. My point is for such a “mean girl”🙄 you really have such a good heart especially for the “underdog/‘small person’” you’ve built a real safe space for so many using your platform to educate and talk about things most won’t. Forever our spicy couch people queeeeeen🩷🤭
Those phone calls are disgusting and allegedly, in my opinion, appear to be weaponizing the police for the explicit purpose of harassment and undermining Kitti's sense of personal safety. 🌝 Says a lot about Janet's respect for the legal system
Swatting, harassment ,and doxing are finally being specifically made crimes rather than merely charging the perp with filing a generic false report. Weaponizing public services to advance an unhinged harassment agenda is vile beyond words.
@@wajmgirli might have this wrong, i dont know anything about anything, so please someone else chime in if thats the case, but irrc one reason people abuse the yt copyright system is to obtain such info from people. I beleive that a creator has to release their full name and an address in order to dispute a copyright claim... Because in a world where people arent awful, the next step for the claimant would be to serve the claimee with a lawsuit (because you only claim if you _truly_ beleive someone has infringed your copyright... Right??) aaand you need to know who youre serving. The claimant has 10 business days to go forward with that legal action. In the meantime, the content may stay down. Most of the time this is as far as it goes and the strike goes away when the claimant fails to go forward with a suit.... But the false-claimant gets to walk away with information on the person they're harrasing AND they messed up the videos position in the algorithm by taking ot down for 10 days. Shits so broken.
I would guess being an attorney or partner in a prestigious law firm would financially benefit an attorney. Which calls into question why an attorney would choose to represent individuals that participate in online drama. That just doesn’t seem very lucrative. It always hurts to see people abuse their power. Especially when they know what they are doing is wrong. To abuse the systems on these platforms is disgusting. Miss Janet seems to be a power hungry person who thrives on attention. It doesn’t help that the people she represents encourage her behavior. It’s embarrassing to see a middle aged woman doing videos and writing emails basically because a creator got their feelings hurt. But of course that’s my opinion and who am I but a lonely little subscriber.
I don’t understand why this hasn’t been brought to the bar. There’s a lawyer in my area whose license has been suspended and with that everything is public record. What he was accused of what he admitted to the disciplinary action etc
Our car seat specialist was a man and firefighter. He was super sweet, offered informative advice, and taught us how to handle it properly with our first born. I don't know if he has kids, maybe, but that is not what matters. His qualifications and experiences in the field, do.
I am a lawyer and this is absolutely well done. First video of yours I’ve seen and got an instant subscribe. The time, effort and care you took to be precise and thoroughly informative is commendable and shows how much you care about your craft and content (unlike the subject of this video). Keep up the amazing work you do!
Runkle of the Bailey, a lawyer, read Janet’s cease & desist letter for filth. His coverage on the crazy behavior of this “lawyer” is quite good, from a legal perspective.
I really hope a judge makes an example out of Jeanette and Lauren for those wellness checks. People shouldnt be able to get away with wasting police resources. There could have been a real emergency that required their attention, and their busy wasting time with this. Frivolous, indeed.
that could honestly be the janet’s biggest risk for seeing some actual discipline from the bar - whether it’s a public asmonishment, a fine, a suspension, or even a revocation… using the criminal system or things like welfare checks in an attempt to gain some sort of strategic advantage against an opposing party in a civil matter is EXTREMELY unethical.
Ugh but then also if they're made an example of, is there risk of a chilling effect on people making requests for wellness checks that the preponderence of the evidence available to the requestor is valid but... They're not absolutely sure? I don't disagree at all, and also wellness checks do play an important role. I hate lose lose situations.
@@leiliyahdecotta i don't think so. Most people understand the difference between using a wellness check to attack someone and doing it genuinely. You can't let bad people go abusing good systems. It will encourage more bad people to do so
Calling in a fake wellness check is absolutely abhorrent, the lawyer chick should be disbarred, complete abuse of power. This situation makes me serious.
I don't think that's abusing your power, technically, bc anyone can call in a wellness check insincerely and have the exact same result she did. So, abusing the system in place, but not her power, IMO.
We can only hope! There are a few people in the drama/true crime community raising astronomical funds for lawsuits they claimed to be bringing against creators and two years later no served papers of any kind have come about. So there is also that aspect of some people raising money under false pretensions knowing they could never actually win in court.
I watched Runkle a Canadian lawyer go over the cease and desist she sent kittie and as someone who doesn't know law it was still the most unhinged, insane thing I've ever seen. This woman is just wow and I don't know how Janet is a lawyer.
On the topic of baby product safety, I worked for one of the biggest baby retailers for a long time, years before i had kids. The amount of training we had to go through for every product like carseats, so we could educate parents to be was insane. As the department head of baby gear, I had to keep certification for my state on educating how to properly install carseats and being able to refer parents where to go to have them installed/checked. Again, I had no kids and guess what, the majority of the employees had no kids. But we were very well trained and educated.
I used to be an auto claims adjuster and we would always replace car seats no questions asked. I'm not an expert but from the little I've learned from work car seats are literally one of the safest most tested things you can buy. Everyone doesn't have insurance. Every claim doesn't get reported. So car seats have to be able to withstand multiple minor accidents. So I'll trust the expert saying they're safe lol.
and on the flip side not every mother is educated and caring. By Lauren the morticians logic, Pearl Fernandez would be a better choice in her eyes regarding child safety because she had kids.
@@ericainbloomthis is correct for a mod/severe crash (I am thinking air bag+). But many do not (due to cost, sadly). For a fender bender, I am thinking it is OK, of course unless there is a visible crack/issue/concern.
CC I adore you (longtime follower)! I was a dispatcher for 10 years. Thank you for giving shot-outs to your fam. No one ever recognizes dispatchers. I can only speak for me BUT neither of those calls would have gone in as a well being check without a lot more questions! Especially the second one. Red flag alert! I am not sending my units to troll for you. What has you worried about them? #IHaveQuestions! And in the dispatchers defense, we haven’t heard the entire call. But as soon as this was released it ticked me off. Thank you for all you do. Keep doing it, Beautiful! Congrats on your lovely family and Happy New Year!
I noticed that Janet doesn't seem to be so enthusiastically going after the TH-cam lawyers that have already put out the same type of commentary and more on her and her nutcase client.
I was a soldier for 8 years, a cop for 24 when an accident put me on disability. Workers comp sent me to college to be a legal assistant, I graduated with a 4.0 GPA. I have read many of the documents submitted by this "attorney" if I had submitted any of these papers to my instructors in college it would have ended my 4.0 and had they continued I would have been dropped from the program.
Watching lawyers look over and react to Jeanette's filings has been so funny. The part where she tells the person she's corresponding with to "refrain from giving her legal refreshers" and Ian Runkle was like girl are you sure? Because you seem really confused about what your job and its limitations are. Also, the irony of Lauren's content being about common causes of death and her lawyer is out here calling "wellfare checks" (it's swatting, let's call it what it is - you can still be killed on a welfare check and she literally only did it as an intimidation tactic).
Literally! Omg please do not send wellness checks to random people over the internet especially if said person on the receiving end is a racial minority disabled/neurodivergent/mentally ill or lgbtq+ or a woman/femme presenting person. That gave me a special kind of ick as a mixed indigenous person, we already face so much police brutality and misconduct but there has been so many indigenous women killed by the police during a "wellness" check, including here in Canada(Ontario I think, the details of the case are fuzzy to me atm). It is absolutely a weapon and I'm damn sure Lauren knew what she was doing so shame on her. If Kitti was a person of colour or had any conditions or disabilities that the police could interpret as violent aggressive or risky behaviour she could've very much been killed over it, I also have paranoid schizophrenia ocd and c-ptsd which already makes customs on the American side of the border look at me funny and profile me over it(literally the only thing keeping me from being unnecessarily searched and detained is my handicap parking pass) and I have confided in my mother that when I move away from her that she absolutely does not call a wellness check on me and just sends a trusted relative or friend to check on me instead. What a disgusting selfish human being Lauren is shame on her.
@R-502 I want the term “soft swatting” to become a thing so that people don’t get away with downplaying it as “concern”. It’s obviously not the same as calling in a threat, but sending an armed officer to someone’s door carries inherent risk. Jeanette thinks she’s cute threatening people with someone else’s gun.
As a reminder to people, as much as it appears everyone wants to see Janet no longer be allowed to practice law, do not report her to the bar for misconduct! Only people who have been directly affected by Janet’s misuse of the legal system should be reporting her. As much as we would all love to help, mass reporting her to the bar on behalf of these creators is only going to help invalidate their actions towards Janet.
I don’t know any of these people but it’s really disappointing to see a Child Safety Professional be harassed in this manner when their job is to literally protect the most vulnerable people.
Creator vs creator legal dramas are so weirdly satisfying to follow, especially when it involves the terminally dumb getting smacked down by actual judges and lawyers. Love to see you covering this. 💛
"Shes talking about eating organs and demonic things" Meanwhile, we have the accuser who isnt a CPST using a demonic replica doll to demonstrate "child safe car seats"
I have to tell you, I only knew bits & pieces of this "saga" and let me tell you, your video has been , by far, the most informative, laid out , researched and put into terms that I now understand it .... Thank you for all your hard work to inform us exactly what is going on, especially those like me who was borderline clueless!!! Love it our spicy queen!!!🌶️🌶️🔥🔥
You expressed my thoughts exactly! I don't use TikTok but kept randomly seeing YT comments mentioning Lauren, some crazy lawyer and most of the players involved. Had no clue it was all weirdly connected and good lord, what a rabbit hole. Very much appreciate CC making this video for those of us well outside the loop!
Same. I kept seeing people in the comments of LawTubers I watch asking them to cover this lady, but I had no idea what it was about (other than her being an unhinged lawyer). Thank you Chelsea!
I am literally shocked by the phone call of that Brawn lawyer to the authorities for the supposed "wellness check ". She should have her license taken away. That is truly shocking
We use the Swivel car seat. It's amazing. My daughter has special needs, and it helps save my back, and helps me not drag her legs across the cup holders. I would 100% trust someone with a certification without kids, vs someone with no credentials with a kid. That's not even a logical question.
Jen Gerard could have easily taken Paige’s aunties photos down. Jen had her business partner remove the photos from his website and it took roughly 2 hours to get them removed. So there’s no reason at all for Jen to have an issue removing them from her website. Jen keeping Paige’s aunties photos up is just pure spite and it’s evil. It will cost her reputation, her business, and pocketbook in the long run because she knows she has no legal right to those pictures.
have you watched Nick Snyders videos on his experience with her??? so wild! one video is 2 hrs long and holy shit its insane.. I have his channel linked in the description box
@@IAMCCSuarez Yes, I have. Jen has lied about multiple situations and there is actual proof of her many, many lies. She’s another creator that doesn’t mind doing shitty things behind the scenes and uses the legal system to try and silence you when you do talk about it. She’s very litigious and she’s had multiple lawsuits against people.
Janet strikes me as a mediocre human who got a taste of seeming to matter, and we have now reached the Dunning Kruger effect. She was trying to at TikTok on LinkedIn because they weren't doing anything about her TEN pending claims. Janet may have had some success tearing down creators, but bringing this lawsuit and self-reporting a bunch of unethical behavior in it, she is going to find herself answering for it.
Thanks! It’s obvious you have put a lot of time and effort into this video. I appreciate all of your work. I don’t have much extra to give (I’m a single mom)but you deserve to be able to support yourself when you are giving us your time and your energy. I hope that this helps and if the video is taken down for a copyright violation, I hope you can still keep my thank you donation. (I’m not sure how that works). So again, great video and now I am fixing to go watch all of the girlies videos, so thanks for turning me onto their podcast!
31:33 I'm like 95% sure it was this man who helped me pick out the car seat for my child who is now taller than me and listens to nothing that I say. Thanks, Jamie, for making sure that happened.
I believe he used to work at Buy Buy Baby (It might be the wrong store, but I remember he definitely worked at a baby store). I met him at an event in my city and won the stroller he was giving away. He was a great resource then and a great resource now.
The secondhand embarrassment listening to the police calls….wow Thank you as always for your exposure to this and really great education of laws vs terms of services, rights and free speech. I hope when the tiny human gets a little bigger you do go to law school, your brain is wired for it
Her calling a wellness check just because she doesn’t like the content of the video is ridiculous. She should get charged with abuse of the emergency services system or whatever the statute is where she lives.
As an atty this woman is absolutely embarrassing I don’t know how she graduated law school and passed the bar exam. Also with this behavior I think she needs to lose her license.
I asked this question in RunkleoftheBailey comment section. Basically she did well at a lower 25% law school and barely did an externship with the public defenders office . She also clearly learned f@ck all in her 17 years (if true) as a paralegal. I know a few paralegals and they know more than most lawyers cause they do a lot of grunt work.
@jacobus57 University of Illinois Chicago is not The University of Chicago (which is a top 20 law school). Magna Cum La🎉ude is just pulling high Bs and from what other lawyers have said some law school grade on a curve, so if everyone is also not the brightest, you look better by comparisson (in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king).Besides if you only study to the test, you probably didn't learn a lot.
@@DaraJillI am aware, but it's not a s**t school. Students go where they can afford/where offers them money. My niece is brilliant and a grad (she got a full ride) passed the bar with no issues, and in less than 18 months is already building a stellar career. Never shame someone for the school they attended or summarily dis an accredited school, ever (or "talk" to someone like they are an ill-informed dolt as you did with me). I went to a Seven Sisters school where I met some of the dumbest women ever, transferred to a state U where the mix of dim and brilliant was no different.
I used to be so supportive of Bunnie until like 2021. There are so many problematic things she's said and done over the years. Then she gaslights her audience when they come to correct her or ask questions.
I was the same way- i stopped being a supporter when i found out how many reddit posts she has removed and then looked deeper into it and she literally has anything remotely critical removed. I am so glad that she was brought up in this video- all of these creators have been on Bunnie’s podcast and then shortly after have hired janet. Bunnie seems to be ground zero.
@@Dejabloomsseriously I don’t understand why Lauren is getting so much shit for the terf/alt right shit when Bunnie has absolutely done the same OPENLY. She has defended horrible people. She was in the comments of racist Adam Calhouns (yt man who made a Song saying the n word over and over to rage bait) of his “make America straight again” merch defending him and when people started calling her out in the comments she quickly deleted them but she’s still friends with him and other alt right people her and her husband hang with
Dude yes the gaslighting is kinda nuts. When she makes an honest mistake, she just says it was a mistake, doesn't say I'm sorry and says people need to calm their t+ts & stop harassing her and she's soo busy & like she's legit better than most people. Idk like I hate to be a hater because negativity just brings everyone down it doesn't help me feel very positive lol. But come on, you can be accountable without acting like it's beneath you, like the people that watch are beneath you. Just the vibe I get. Not cool with all that other stuff as well no thank you.
It's so weird that there are no consequences for having your copyright strike reversed. If you get such dire consequences for getting a copyright strike, then of course there should also be consequences if you file one without reason. So that people think before they do.
I saw a clip of Janet were she said “defamation isn’t hard to prove, I don’t know where you guys are getting that from.” My jaw hit the floor. I’m not a lawyer. I’ve never been to law school, but literally every other lawyer I’ve ever seen talk about the topic has said it is difficult to prove. Many say “notoriously difficult to prove.” She’s the only person I’ve seen take the opposite stance
Runkle of the Bailey (Canadian defense lawyer) did a video on the lawsuit papers. He basically laughed throughout it - figured Janet should be disbarred or sanctioned.
As an attorney it was interesting she referred to herself as a “federal attorney” in the dispatch recording. I assume this is because she thinks claiming to be a federal attorney gives more credibility to her position. If you pass a state bar, you just have to pay the fee to practice in that jurisdiction’s federal court. I’m licensed in federal court. This doesn’t make me a “federal lawyer.” Also confused about her claim she is a mandatory reporter for erratic behavior as an officer of the court. In very specific circumstances are certain attorneys considered mandatory reporters. Without more, this doesn’t even come close. I would interested in how many other “erratic behaviors” she claims to have witnessed and reported.
I’m so glad you actually talked about the bunnie XO part of this , you and the Girlies are the only ones I have seen that talk about this to bring up the connection to bunnie xo. To me that’s an important and interesting part of this whole story that’s need to be talked about, finding this out has really changed my mind on how I feel about bunnie but the truth needed to come out.
There's something so twisted about the "wellness" checks. They put Kitti in danger, while pretending to be looking out for her safety. They found her address, had people who are armed with a variety of weapons show up at her house after telling them that she was threatening people and is unstable. That put her in danger! Yet it's all under the guise of helping her through a mental health crisis.
I didn’t watch kitti before all of this so I don’t know her usual tone, but I absolutely LOVE IT 😂 I love that she’s speaking to Janet as if she is a child because that’s exactly how she’s acting. It’s amazing. Yay Kitti!
So obviously LTM is NOT the victim here but good lord is she gonna owe so much money when her ‘lawyer’ loses all these ego cases. Hope Ms Janet is as familiar with malpractice as she is copyright
honestly, I do almost feel a little bad for lauren, despite how not greta of a person she seems to be. lay people rely upon lawyers to have the legal expertise and the ability to strategize that a lay person does not have. they rely upon a lawyer giving sound, legit advice that won’t harm them or their interests. what lauren really needed was a run-of-the-mill PR consultant. but instead, she trusted an overzealous, inexperienced lawyer, and now it’s making her situation and chances for recovery infinitely worse. I don’t wish a bad lawyer on anyone.
@@jilliansmaniotto2326 that’s also a good point. I’m in pre law with the eventual goal of going into law school and getting licensed to practice and I just can’t fathom going through all this work to throw it all away for greed because can’t you be disbarred following a legal malpractice case for unethical conduct? It’s disgusting
@@TexasTigerLillyx it really bothers me. I take my role as a lawyer and the privilege it brings really seriously. we have an obligation to use our education and privileged position responsibly when it comes to our clients. by its very nature, the attorney/client relationship has a very clear unbalanced power dynamic. that dynamic makes it extremely important that attorneys maintain sufficient boundaries to not become too personally invested in a situation. janet has completely failed at that, which has shifted her priority for decisionmaking away from the best interests of her client. instead, she’s been making decisions with her own personal reputation and interests in mind. that is BAD NEWS BEARS, ethically speaking. and good luck with your education and hopeful venture into the legal world! law school and the bar exam suck, but actually lawyering is awesome!
@@jilliansmaniotto2326 I do think it is unfortunate these people are all getting such terrible advice, but it is such obviously terrible advice it is hard to not blame them for listening to it. I know so much more about these laws now after following this a little, but even with almost no understanding I had my doubts. Now I am sure she has been hit with tons of better legal advice. Sometimes people don't get deceived by bad lawyers, they look for the ones that will cut corners on purpose. Early days I might have given the benefit of the doubt, but not anymore.
I can't believe she is a real lawyer calling wellness checks on competitor's just to intimidate them! Go back and listen to her reasoning on why she called lmao shes a clown! She could've gotten someone hurt or even worse. That crap isn't funny. I've never seen someone so confident and yet so stupid as I've seen her. Unprofessional, embarrassing and dangerous should be her new slogan. She.needs to be investigated and then disbarred for misusing her authority and the judicial system to shut her client's critics up . what a disgrace!
Ooh Janet is going to absolutely try to get this taken down !! However, anyone who has been a fan of CC knows this didnt go up with out her lawyer viewing first!! Sooo good luck Janet!
Incredible job breaking down and sharing vital information that I'm sure a lot of creators don't know. Any creator, especially in commentary area, should know their rights and understand they don't always have to be scared of those taking advantage of the system.
I like how thorough you are. I used to work in the Fed Gov regarding public information so I like to say I was in the business of "covering ass, which actually created more space for principals to be more candid. You are a master in CYA. It's a legit skill, and I'm glad to see content that is so well researched and presented. It was very informative as a content consumer!
mama tot is definitely sneaking under a lot of people radar’s…what bothered me the most is when she got really big she openly said she has her “friend” on her accounts responding to comments so half of these people thinking “ mamatot” is reaching out to them when it’s actually one her internet friend’s she hasn’t met or hardly know and that’s shitty if you can’t personally respond that’s understandable but to basically give someone struggling an answering machine is not it for me.
@@RiannaNicole agreed, I really loved her whole vibe and what’s she was doing but as usual was just smoke and mirrors at this point it is my own fault for being fooled lol
Everytime I hear the wellness check recording I have severe secondhand embarrassment for both of them. I have to fast forward through it 😂 That dispatcher knew they were full of 💩
SAME. I heard the calls once and I can't do it again. That first time, I had to keep pausing because I couldn't deal with it in one go. Listening to those calls is not just mentally uncomfortable, but actually physically uncomfortable because of the extreme embarrassment. Imagine being the one having to deal with them on the phone!
If a judge doesn’t just dismiss that lawsuit and make her pay The Girlies court costs and lawyer’s fees it will just make this acceptable. She is abusing the courts. In my opinion.
It’s unfortunately fairly common especially if someone is a person of the global majority. It happens a lot on twitch especially, but also pretty much anywhere at this point as an abuse/silencing tactic. It’s deplorable honestly and shouldn’t be a thing.
Thank you for posting this, and for delving into the legal definitions. It is really helpful for other content creators. I recently started calling out scams on Instagram, and quickly realized how dangerous it is to be an anti-scammer. It's taxing on mental health, moderating comments is physically exhausting, and since scammers have no other recourse, they often just attack the messenger, in an effort to get us to give up. That takes a toll. It helps to see that you're still calling out scams, despite how hard it is to do so.
I’m so sick of hearing about this woman and her drama- UNTIL CC PUT IN HER TWO CENTS! Now I’m like welp redo my Saturday morning cause we drinking the hottest tea this morning! 😂❤ Can’t wait to see you lawyer the lawyer!
This video was the absolute perfect length! I was able to get ready this morning, take my cat to the vet, grab a coffee and drive back home and it ended exactly when I pulled in my driveway. I haven’t watched any other videos of yours but I’ll definitely be checking them out! I love long form content like this
five minutes ago?? BEST WAY TO START MY DAY! love your videos and how much passion you have for this stuff. keep doing what you do, youre helping so many people.
I clicked on it when it was 5 min after posting it too... I was hella excited to start my day with this video!!!! I'm actually watching it a second time in case I missed anything while folding laundry...lol.. this is such a well made, informative and thought out video!!!! Our spicy queen NEVER disappoints!!!🔥🔥🌶️🌶️
Gotta love how Lauren and Janet decided to accuse Kitti of blackmailing, and what was their response? To blackmail multiple creators into silence by abusing the copyright strike system. And what did blackmailing people into silence do? Make this whole situation EXTREMELY well known. Instead of just simply backing down and accepting that Jamie is, in fact, a professional, and that she [Lauren] isn’t, she ruined her image even more along with her awful lawyer.
I was so excited to see such a long video and it did NOT let me down. Thank you for creating this video even without a sponsor and with the potential of not having monetization period. You’re the real MVP. Thank you for keeping us spicyyyyyyy.
Unrelated but I really think you SHOULD go for your law degree. You are incredibly smart and hard working. You would also annihilate people in court. 😂 I found out I was pregnant right before I was starting school, but I ended up doing it shortly after his birth and it was so worth it! 6 years later and I’m soo glad I did that for myself!
If Janet were my lawyer, I would start to worry when watching this all unfold. I mean she specializes in IP law and, in my opinion, seems to have a very, very weak understanding of copyright law. I also have wondered what the legitimacy is of her representing all of these people in states she is not barred in. I can’t really find a clear answer about how this works with all the work being posted online; Bunnie resides in TN, Lauren resides in WI (allegedly, from what I understand), and Mama Tot resides in AL. From what I understand, lawyers need to barred in the state where action is being taken against their client, but since this is all about online copyright, would that be the state in which the content originates or the state in which the alleged infringement is originating? She clearly can’t represent Lauren in CA so, in my opinion, that’s the reason that the suit against the Girlies was filed as a joint suit under a different lawyer. But that suit is not based on copyright infringement, it’s based on defamation. What is the legitimacy of all of the previous action (threats of litigation, cease and desists, etc.) she’s taken in reference to copyright infringement claims?
Freedom of speech not freedom of consequences. And freedom of speech is more along the lines of the freedom to criticize the gov't without consequence from the gov't.
I don't feel like there are enough comments about how well done this video is. Very informative and educational as well as the right amount of spice. I also really enjoy the use of the screenshots, etc. Super thorough and well done!
I think calling a fake wellness check could (and should) be thought of as swatting. There have been multiple instances of people (primarily POC) being killed by police during a wellness check, including non-violent and rational individuals. It needs to be said that, unfortunately, the resources of the law are not equally beneficial. Being able to take advantage of these resources is a privilege, abusing that privilege is dangerous and potentially lethal. Kitti isn't black, and as she said herself, out of all the people to be on the receiving end of a false wellness check, she is one of the safest. This is far from the case for a lot of people.
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we love an informative and educational program, allegedly.
Get em girlies!
we love you dusting off the cobwebs from your personal channel to comment
Just finished watching DWKT 15 min ago, then saw Lily’s Twitter post. Now watching (and subscribed) to CC ☺️
@@julie7677 me too! Lmaoooo
love that for me
"Jessie and Lily dont have a degree in journalism" ok and Lauren doesnt have qualifications in child safety devices
CORRECT
Also Lilly worked for a news company....
The fact this is lost on Lauren and Jeanette kills me
😂😂😂😂😂
Also, who tf cares? You don't need a degree in journalism to be knowledgeable at it. Journalism, like a lot of art, falls under "Yeah, it's cool if you went to school for it, but it's not a requirement."
There are things where a degree HELPS, and there are things where a degree is REQUIRED.
Journalism-->Help.
Qualifications in child safety devices-->degree (or certification)
Dispatcher here. I just wanted to say these women handled these calls fabulously! The second call taker was amazing. Her questions after the 500th "she's behaving erratically" was attempting to see if the caller knew if this "erratic behavior" was different from the subject's baseline behavior. As soon as she established this caller did NOT know the subject personally and had no way of knowing the subject's baseline behavior, she was done with the shenanigans. We deal with SO MUCH. We literally do not have time to deal with petty internet drama!!! Every call has to be dispatched for safety reasons. If you're calling on some BS, we can smell it!! We KNOW that you're wasting valuable resources. KNOCK IT OFF!!
Operator: What is she doing?
Lauren and Janet: Well she's on Reddit.
the audacity!!
Operator, in their head: be so fucking for real right now
@@erikdaniels0nyou know she went home and over dinner said, guess what type of call I got today- you’ll NEVER believe it.
Law enforcement would never sleep if they went after every unhinged person on Reddit 😂
When Chelsea first said that I thought she was kidding but that’s really all they had 😂
As a therapist/mental health professional, hearing them misuse wellness checks like that is disgusting. What a waste of precious resources. How is that not an ethical violation as a lawyer?
It's probably one of many ethical violations. Hopefully, the attorneys working with Caffienated Kitti and The Girlies are working on it. State Bar Associations are slow, though.
I have dealt with mental health issues throughout my life and have been lucky to have the support to get where I am today. The way people are now using 'therapy language' to hide their negative intentions is so frustrating.
Wellness checks are not great anyway but to intentionally use it to mess with someone is disgusting. A lawyer of all people should know that's unacceptable. It doesn't even support her client and could actually undermine her case.
It's like getting all the other athletes kicked out on technicalities and thinking that's the same as winning first place. That's not your job and now it's about what they did wrong not what you did right.
It's also considered a crime to misuse 911..... To call, report bs, use dispatchers & police resources is not only wrong on sooo many levels , it's also a crime!!! And for a "lawyer" to do it is even worse!!!!
@@yesitschelle she definitely has at least one complaint for it that a lawyer submitted. Likely others. I've heard many of the people she targeted put in complaints. Also pretty illegal to call in a false 911 call.
It definitely should be but this will be a lengthy case, there are so many different stories and people involved it will really be interesting to see how this plays out in court.
Most of the things this lawyer is doing is not ok, regardless of the outcome of what happens Janet will have some sort of repercussions.
As someone else has already said: imagine taking legal action because someone mispronounced your name...
Folks, I would be in court every day.
Lawd in heaven, I'd just set up a tent outside.
@@yourfuturewaifu9061 😂
As a person named Jannett that people constantly call Janet (among a myriad of other 'J' names), I find this hilarious and so true
As a German i am confused she mispronounces Braun! Braun is german and pronounced "brown"
@SonjaHamburg here in the US, in English, we would pronounce it "bron" usually. The UA gets pronounced as a an long/hard O. I understand where you are coming from, as 2nd gen German-American who's married to a 1st gen German-American. It is a very topic of conversation 😂.
As someone who observes a lot of custody court: While this is all a shitty situation, thank GOD Janet didn’t go into family law. She would have most likely ruined SO many lives from the jump there. In my opinion.
Or criminal law...oh my goodness
Jodie Hildebrandt vibes
I’ve been telling my fiancée to go get partial custody of his daughter. He is so scared he won’t be able to because the courts always side with the mother and this mother is really into lying. 😕 What have you seen if you don’t mind me asking? I am in PA. ❤ Thanks!
@@victorial8764 This is obviously depending but I wouldn't worry about the court siding w/ the mother. If he gets a lawyer who gives a damn he'll do just fine in family law court. I work for a family law firm and the tendency for judges when there's kids involved is to split custody. So long as the parent is actively wanting to be involved and not on drugs/getting arrested judges WANT both parents to be involved. As much as the mom wants to lie it will need to be proved in court. We do custody cases with complete sociopaths involved on both sides and judges are good at sniffing the BS out.
Omg this. Yes.
Gabbie: my attorney is draining my bank account
Also Gabbie: my attorney sent us all this sushi thank you!
Me: WHO DO YOU THINK IS FOOTING THIS BILL FOR THIS
😂😂😂 that was literally my first thought Lolol hope she enjoyed that expensive ass sushi
Also, not sure she knows what sushi is because I did not see any sushi on that plate or table LOL
Just found your channel, loving it. New subscriber here 💜
It’s giving Lou pearlman
Something i wish more people would talk about is how in the police phonecalls they said they were worried kitti would hurt “herself OR OTHERS” basically insinuating she might be violent, therefore putting her at a huge risk for apprehension/serious harm !!!
That wording is specific to ensure the police would actually response to the call. But yes I agree.
The only thing Kitty hurt was their ego...
Depending on the state and country these wellness checks can be rather "harmless", or can get you into a ward for an evaluation, involuntarily.
Lauren in one video said she didn't do it as a form of swatting but I have read comments that some people were "greeted" by the police with guns out. Kind of swatty..
'harm to yourself or others' is basically a dog whistle for 'put this person in a padded room and make them loose their job'. Especially if it comes from a mandatory reporter like an attorney, doctor, or teacher. @@MinkxiTes
@@transsnackYES exactly
A lawyer doing that absurd “wellness check” should earn her an appearance before the bar and a very significant fine. I loved how that dispatcher was reacting to her. What Janet said about being “an officer of the court” and having an “obligation,” was so bizarre. Fabulous video CC!
You could just picture both of them with there tones 😂 The lawyer was clearly full of it and the dispatcher knew it.
The fact you made an hour and a half long video on all this no sponsor possible demonetization and put together such a well educated beautifully edited might I add. We also know the time and effort you put in for research too. My point is for such a “mean girl”🙄 you really have such a good heart especially for the “underdog/‘small person’” you’ve built a real safe space for so many using your platform to educate and talk about things most won’t. Forever our spicy couch people queeeeeen🩷🤭
damn babe. thank you. I really appreciate that so much.
FACTS
Exactly what I was thinking 🫶
CC is a ferocious guardian and I hope that I can learn how to be a bit more like her :D
Love this comment! ❤
IMO…..this lawyer needs to be reviewed by the bar. She’s abusing her position and it needs to stop.
Those phone calls are disgusting and allegedly, in my opinion, appear to be weaponizing the police for the explicit purpose of harassment and undermining Kitti's sense of personal safety. 🌝 Says a lot about Janet's respect for the legal system
I agree
I’m still not sure how they even got her address
Swatting, harassment ,and doxing are finally being specifically made crimes rather than merely charging the perp with filing a generic false report. Weaponizing public services to advance an unhinged harassment agenda is vile beyond words.
@@wajmgirli might have this wrong, i dont know anything about anything, so please someone else chime in if thats the case, but irrc one reason people abuse the yt copyright system is to obtain such info from people.
I beleive that a creator has to release their full name and an address in order to dispute a copyright claim... Because in a world where people arent awful, the next step for the claimant would be to serve the claimee with a lawsuit (because you only claim if you _truly_ beleive someone has infringed your copyright... Right??) aaand you need to know who youre serving.
The claimant has 10 business days to go forward with that legal action. In the meantime, the content may stay down. Most of the time this is as far as it goes and the strike goes away when the claimant fails to go forward with a suit.... But the false-claimant gets to walk away with information on the person they're harrasing AND they messed up the videos position in the algorithm by taking ot down for 10 days. Shits so broken.
I would guess being an attorney or partner in a prestigious law firm would financially benefit an attorney.
Which calls into question why an attorney would choose to represent individuals that participate in online drama. That just doesn’t seem very lucrative. It always hurts to see people abuse their power. Especially when they know what they are doing is wrong. To abuse the systems on these platforms is disgusting. Miss Janet seems to be a power hungry person who thrives on attention. It doesn’t help that the people she represents encourage her behavior. It’s embarrassing to see a middle aged woman doing videos and writing emails basically because a creator got their feelings hurt. But of course that’s my opinion and who am I but a lonely little subscriber.
As you know, legal malpractice is a thing.
Disbarment is a thing.
Someone needs to get this chick's license to practice pulled, ASAP.
I don’t understand why this hasn’t been brought to the bar. There’s a lawyer in my area whose license has been suspended and with that everything is public record. What he was accused of what he admitted to the disciplinary action etc
Janet needs to be disbarred. In my many years in law, I've seen the good and the bad. She's giving the good ones a bad name.
#myart
@@IAMCCSuarez😂😂
She probably won't, but I'm all for the IL Bar to censure the fuck outta her so she can't afford her malpractice insurance.
Just the fact that she’s calling in wellness checks for people she’s trying to go after legally should be enough to have her disbarred
@@myliza700completely agree
Our car seat specialist was a man and firefighter. He was super sweet, offered informative advice, and taught us how to handle it properly with our first born. I don't know if he has kids, maybe, but that is not what matters. His qualifications and experiences in the field, do.
People who abuse the copyright strikes really need to be themselves held accountable cuz they ruin everything for everybody else.
correct
I am a lawyer and this is absolutely well done. First video of yours I’ve seen and got an instant subscribe. The time, effort and care you took to be precise and thoroughly informative is commendable and shows how much you care about your craft and content (unlike the subject of this video).
Keep up the amazing work you do!
Is this the Streisand Effect at work? She can’t sue everybody so everybody should post about her.
And if ught this stuff was untrue then why should she care
Runkle of the Bailey, a lawyer, read Janet’s cease & desist letter for filth. His coverage on the crazy behavior of this “lawyer” is quite good, from a legal perspective.
I really like him!!
@@laurasteele01 he is hands down the kindest lawyer on TH-cam. ❤️
I really hope a judge makes an example out of Jeanette and Lauren for those wellness checks. People shouldnt be able to get away with wasting police resources. There could have been a real emergency that required their attention, and their busy wasting time with this. Frivolous, indeed.
that could honestly be the janet’s biggest risk for seeing some actual discipline from the bar - whether it’s a public asmonishment, a fine, a suspension, or even a revocation… using the criminal system or things like welfare checks in an attempt to gain some sort of strategic advantage against an opposing party in a civil matter is EXTREMELY unethical.
The fake wellness checks make my blood boil. Grrrrr.... I could go on for days ...
Ugh but then also if they're made an example of, is there risk of a chilling effect on people making requests for wellness checks that the preponderence of the evidence available to the requestor is valid but... They're not absolutely sure?
I don't disagree at all, and also wellness checks do play an important role. I hate lose lose situations.
@@leiliyahdecotta i don't think so. Most people understand the difference between using a wellness check to attack someone and doing it genuinely. You can't let bad people go abusing good systems. It will encourage more bad people to do so
@Lazrael32 one would think. I appreciate your confidence in the level of discernment of the average human LOL, I truly do.
Calling in a fake wellness check is absolutely abhorrent, the lawyer chick should be disbarred, complete abuse of power. This situation makes me serious.
She should be arrested, straight up.
I don't think that's abusing your power, technically, bc anyone can call in a wellness check insincerely and have the exact same result she did. So, abusing the system in place, but not her power, IMO.
I really hope the legal system makes an example of them behaving this way.
And the Bar Association
We can only hope! There are a few people in the drama/true crime community raising astronomical funds for lawsuits they claimed to be bringing against creators and two years later no served papers of any kind have come about. So there is also that aspect of some people raising money under false pretensions knowing they could never actually win in court.
Obviously TH-cam doesn’t seem to care because they support SSniperwolf’s content and that is so unfair to the original creators.
100%
@@AmberB83 wow I had no idea about that. I've seen some not so respectful true crime channels a couple years ago, where I could see that happening
I watched Runkle a Canadian lawyer go over the cease and desist she sent kittie and as someone who doesn't know law it was still the most unhinged, insane thing I've ever seen. This woman is just wow and I don't know how Janet is a lawyer.
On the topic of baby product safety, I worked for one of the biggest baby retailers for a long time, years before i had kids. The amount of training we had to go through for every product like carseats, so we could educate parents to be was insane. As the department head of baby gear, I had to keep certification for my state on educating how to properly install carseats and being able to refer parents where to go to have them installed/checked. Again, I had no kids and guess what, the majority of the employees had no kids. But we were very well trained and educated.
I used to be an auto claims adjuster and we would always replace car seats no questions asked. I'm not an expert but from the little I've learned from work car seats are literally one of the safest most tested things you can buy. Everyone doesn't have insurance. Every claim doesn't get reported. So car seats have to be able to withstand multiple minor accidents. So I'll trust the expert saying they're safe lol.
and on the flip side not every mother is educated and caring. By Lauren the morticians logic, Pearl Fernandez would be a better choice in her eyes regarding child safety because she had kids.
@@t_ylr from my understanding, anytime a carseat has been in any kind of wreck, it needs replaced as its integrity has been compromised.
@@ericainbloomthis is correct for a mod/severe crash (I am thinking air bag+). But many do not (due to cost, sadly). For a fender bender, I am thinking it is OK, of course unless there is a visible crack/issue/concern.
CC I adore you (longtime follower)! I was a dispatcher for 10 years. Thank you for giving shot-outs to your fam. No one ever recognizes dispatchers. I can only speak for me BUT neither of those calls would have gone in as a well being check without a lot more questions! Especially the second one. Red flag alert! I am not sending my units to troll for you. What has you worried about them? #IHaveQuestions! And in the dispatchers defense, we haven’t heard the entire call. But as soon as this was released it ticked me off. Thank you for all you do. Keep doing it, Beautiful! Congrats on your lovely family and Happy New Year!
I noticed that Janet doesn't seem to be so enthusiastically going after the TH-cam lawyers that have already put out the same type of commentary and more on her and her nutcase client.
She knows they will read her for filth lmao
LMAO
@@DystopianOverturesome already have
I was a soldier for 8 years, a cop for 24 when an accident put me on disability. Workers comp sent me to college to be a legal assistant, I graduated with a 4.0 GPA. I have read many of the documents submitted by this "attorney" if I had submitted any of these papers to my instructors in college it would have ended my 4.0 and had they continued I would have been dropped from the program.
Watching lawyers look over and react to Jeanette's filings has been so funny. The part where she tells the person she's corresponding with to "refrain from giving her legal refreshers" and Ian Runkle was like girl are you sure? Because you seem really confused about what your job and its limitations are. Also, the irony of Lauren's content being about common causes of death and her lawyer is out here calling "wellfare checks" (it's swatting, let's call it what it is - you can still be killed on a welfare check and she literally only did it as an intimidation tactic).
Literally! Omg please do not send wellness checks to random people over the internet especially if said person on the receiving end is a racial minority disabled/neurodivergent/mentally ill or lgbtq+ or a woman/femme presenting person. That gave me a special kind of ick as a mixed indigenous person, we already face so much police brutality and misconduct but there has been so many indigenous women killed by the police during a "wellness" check, including here in Canada(Ontario I think, the details of the case are fuzzy to me atm). It is absolutely a weapon and I'm damn sure Lauren knew what she was doing so shame on her. If Kitti was a person of colour or had any conditions or disabilities that the police could interpret as violent aggressive or risky behaviour she could've very much been killed over it, I also have paranoid schizophrenia ocd and c-ptsd which already makes customs on the American side of the border look at me funny and profile me over it(literally the only thing keeping me from being unnecessarily searched and detained is my handicap parking pass) and I have confided in my mother that when I move away from her that she absolutely does not call a wellness check on me and just sends a trusted relative or friend to check on me instead. What a disgusting selfish human being Lauren is shame on her.
@R-502 I want the term “soft swatting” to become a thing so that people don’t get away with downplaying it as “concern”. It’s obviously not the same as calling in a threat, but sending an armed officer to someone’s door carries inherent risk. Jeanette thinks she’s cute threatening people with someone else’s gun.
If a licensed attorney is committing abuse of process on a regular and repeated basis, they should be reported to their licensing Bar Association.
CC is so sharp already, I can't imagine if she got a law degree, she would absolutely annihilate these fools 😂
God was prob like nah youll burn the world to the ground if you get a law degree here is a baby instead to humbble you
@@IAMCCSuarezBabies tend to do that!!
"is this poop or chocolate?"... a dangerous game we play weekly
Ah. I remember that game all too well.
@@IAMCCSuarez😂😂😂
As a reminder to people, as much as it appears everyone wants to see Janet no longer be allowed to practice law, do not report her to the bar for misconduct! Only people who have been directly affected by Janet’s misuse of the legal system should be reporting her. As much as we would all love to help, mass reporting her to the bar on behalf of these creators is only going to help invalidate their actions towards Janet.
AN HOUR AND A HALF???? We must have been extra good this year for her to work this hard for us during the holidays 😭❤
and not sponsored :O
Allegedly
I don’t know any of these people but it’s really disappointing to see a Child Safety Professional be harassed in this manner when their job is to literally protect the most vulnerable people.
Creator vs creator legal dramas are so weirdly satisfying to follow, especially when it involves the terminally dumb getting smacked down by actual judges and lawyers. Love to see you covering this. 💛
its some of my fave topics
It's like reality TV, except its actually real
Making me miss the days of Daddy Derek against movie reviewers.
"Shes talking about eating organs and demonic things" Meanwhile, we have the accuser who isnt a CPST using a demonic replica doll to demonstrate "child safe car seats"
I have to tell you, I only knew bits & pieces of this "saga" and let me tell you, your video has been , by far, the most informative, laid out , researched and put into terms that I now understand it .... Thank you for all your hard work to inform us exactly what is going on, especially those like me who was borderline clueless!!! Love it our spicy queen!!!🌶️🌶️🔥🔥
I appreciate that so much!!! I wanted to include EVERYTHING. Im sure I will have an update or two ... or 473892 after this.
You expressed my thoughts exactly! I don't use TikTok but kept randomly seeing YT comments mentioning Lauren, some crazy lawyer and most of the players involved. Had no clue it was all weirdly connected and good lord, what a rabbit hole. Very much appreciate CC making this video for those of us well outside the loop!
Same. I kept seeing people in the comments of LawTubers I watch asking them to cover this lady, but I had no idea what it was about (other than her being an unhinged lawyer).
Thank you Chelsea!
I am literally shocked by the phone call of that Brawn lawyer to the authorities for the supposed "wellness check ". She should have her license taken away. That is truly shocking
I hope Jeanette ends up having to pay your attorneys a lot if/when she gets litigious. Great video.
dassss expensive
We use the Swivel car seat. It's amazing. My daughter has special needs, and it helps save my back, and helps me not drag her legs across the cup holders. I would 100% trust someone with a certification without kids, vs someone with no credentials with a kid. That's not even a logical question.
My wife did her Canadian car seat certification with Jamie. He’s wonderful and so knowledgeable
Jen Gerard could have easily taken Paige’s aunties photos down. Jen had her business partner remove the photos from his website and it took roughly 2 hours to get them removed. So there’s no reason at all for Jen to have an issue removing them from her website. Jen keeping Paige’s aunties photos up is just pure spite and it’s evil. It will cost her reputation, her business, and pocketbook in the long run because she knows she has no legal right to those pictures.
have you watched Nick Snyders videos on his experience with her??? so wild! one video is 2 hrs long and holy shit its insane.. I have his channel linked in the description box
@@IAMCCSuarez Yes, I have. Jen has lied about multiple situations and there is actual proof of her many, many lies. She’s another creator that doesn’t mind doing shitty things behind the scenes and uses the legal system to try and silence you when you do talk about it. She’s very litigious and she’s had multiple lawsuits against people.
Janet strikes me as a mediocre human who got a taste of seeming to matter, and we have now reached the Dunning Kruger effect. She was trying to at TikTok on LinkedIn because they weren't doing anything about her TEN pending claims. Janet may have had some success tearing down creators, but bringing this lawsuit and self-reporting a bunch of unethical behavior in it, she is going to find herself answering for it.
I need a wellness check for being "on Reddit" we all do
SAME.
Oh yeah, none of us are ok.
As someone that got an unfair copyright strike from her, thank you for this ❤
Weaponizing ... *wellness checks* ? It's so disgusting I have no words.
Thanks! It’s obvious you have put a lot of time and effort into this video. I appreciate all of your work. I don’t have much extra to give (I’m a single mom)but you deserve to be able to support yourself when you are giving us your time and your energy. I hope that this helps and if the video is taken down for a copyright violation, I hope you can still keep my thank you donation. (I’m not sure how that works). So again, great video and now I am fixing to go watch all of the girlies videos, so thanks for turning me onto their podcast!
Thank you!!!
she had to do a super in-depth disclaimer knowing exactly what Jeanette will do 😂😂
she'll do it anyways but my disclaimer is more for the youtube legal team when she tries to have this video taken down.
31:33 I'm like 95% sure it was this man who helped me pick out the car seat for my child who is now taller than me and listens to nothing that I say. Thanks, Jamie, for making sure that happened.
I believe he used to work at Buy Buy Baby (It might be the wrong store, but I remember he definitely worked at a baby store). I met him at an event in my city and won the stroller he was giving away. He was a great resource then and a great resource now.
The secondhand embarrassment listening to the police calls….wow
Thank you as always for your exposure to this and really great education of laws vs terms of services, rights and free speech. I hope when the tiny human gets a little bigger you do go to law school, your brain is wired for it
its so important to understand these aspects BEFORE diving into all these situations.
‘She’s on Reddit’ 💀 I can see the operators eyeroll from here
@@Chelseabee55”….so you don’t actually know her…” 💀💀💀
Her calling a wellness check just because she doesn’t like the content of the video is ridiculous. She should get charged with abuse of the emergency services system or whatever the statute is where she lives.
As an atty this woman is absolutely embarrassing I don’t know how she graduated law school and passed the bar exam. Also with this behavior I think she needs to lose her license.
I asked this question in RunkleoftheBailey comment section. Basically she did well at a lower 25% law school and barely did an externship with the public defenders office . She also clearly learned f@ck all in her 17 years (if true) as a paralegal. I know a few paralegals and they know more than most lawyers cause they do a lot of grunt work.
And she ALLEDGES she graduated from UIC Law magna cum laude.
Sure....
@jacobus57 University of Illinois Chicago is not The University of Chicago (which is a top 20 law school). Magna Cum La🎉ude is just pulling high Bs and from what other lawyers have said some law school grade on a curve, so if everyone is also not the brightest, you look better by comparisson (in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king).Besides if you only study to the test, you probably didn't learn a lot.
@@DaraJillI am aware, but it's not a s**t school. Students go where they can afford/where offers them money. My niece is brilliant and a grad (she got a full ride) passed the bar with no issues, and in less than 18 months is already building a stellar career.
Never shame someone for the school they attended or summarily dis an accredited school, ever (or "talk" to someone like they are an ill-informed dolt as you did with me). I went to a Seven Sisters school where I met some of the dumbest women ever, transferred to a state U where the mix of dim and brilliant was no different.
Hi! Question- how does someone get disbarred? Who is allowed to report an individual to the BAR and who is not? (To your best knowledge). :)
This is really giving “Raise your hand if you’ve been personally victimized by Janet Braun”
The Regina George of IP law 😂
I used to be so supportive of Bunnie until like 2021. There are so many problematic things she's said and done over the years. Then she gaslights her audience when they come to correct her or ask questions.
💯💯🙌🙌🙌
I was the same way- i stopped being a supporter when i found out how many reddit posts she has removed and then looked deeper into it and she literally has anything remotely critical removed. I am so glad that she was brought up in this video- all of these creators have been on Bunnie’s podcast and then shortly after have hired janet. Bunnie seems to be ground zero.
@@Dejabloomsseriously I don’t understand why Lauren is getting so much shit for the terf/alt right shit when Bunnie has absolutely done the same OPENLY. She has defended horrible people. She was in the comments of racist Adam Calhouns (yt man who made a Song saying the n word over and over to rage bait) of his “make America straight again” merch defending him and when people started calling her out in the comments she quickly deleted them but she’s still friends with him and other alt right people her and her husband hang with
Dude yes the gaslighting is kinda nuts. When she makes an honest mistake, she just says it was a mistake, doesn't say I'm sorry and says people need to calm their t+ts & stop harassing her and she's soo busy & like she's legit better than most people. Idk like I hate to be a hater because negativity just brings everyone down it doesn't help me feel very positive lol. But come on, you can be accountable without acting like it's beneath you, like the people that watch are beneath you. Just the vibe I get. Not cool with all that other stuff as well no thank you.
@@Leannbby well i think its mostly focused on lauren bc lauren is a part of the lawsuit which includes that kitti called her a terf
It's so weird that there are no consequences for having your copyright strike reversed. If you get such dire consequences for getting a copyright strike, then of course there should also be consequences if you file one without reason. So that people think before they do.
The part of the welfare check call about potential to harm herself or other people was SO dangerous.
I saw a clip of Janet were she said “defamation isn’t hard to prove, I don’t know where you guys are getting that from.” My jaw hit the floor. I’m not a lawyer. I’ve never been to law school, but literally every other lawyer I’ve ever seen talk about the topic has said it is difficult to prove. Many say “notoriously difficult to prove.” She’s the only person I’ve seen take the opposite stance
Every time I hear the 'wellness check' calls, it's just eerie. They're so similar. It's so obvious they were working off the same script.
Runkle of the Bailey (Canadian defense lawyer) did a video on the lawsuit papers. He basically laughed throughout it - figured Janet should be disbarred or sanctioned.
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Runkle of the Bailey read her cease and desist sent to caffeinated kitty. It's crazy.
As an attorney it was interesting she referred to herself as a “federal attorney” in the dispatch recording. I assume this is because she thinks claiming to be a federal attorney gives more credibility to her position. If you pass a state bar, you just have to pay the fee to practice in that jurisdiction’s federal court. I’m licensed in federal court. This doesn’t make me a “federal lawyer.”
Also confused about her claim she is a mandatory reporter for erratic behavior as an officer of the court. In very specific circumstances are certain attorneys considered mandatory reporters. Without more, this doesn’t even come close. I would interested in how many other “erratic behaviors” she claims to have witnessed and reported.
Janet said her whole name with her whole chest on that 911 call, and then you have Lauren the coward wanting to remain anonymous lol 😂
I’m so glad you actually talked about the bunnie XO part of this , you and the Girlies are the only ones I have seen that talk about this to bring up the connection to bunnie xo. To me that’s an important and interesting part of this whole story that’s need to be talked about, finding this out has really changed my mind on how I feel about bunnie but the truth needed to come out.
She’s been absolute 🗑️ from the moment she defended Adam Calhouns racist self when he made the make America straight again merch
Jeanette sounds CRAZY on that 911 call. Completely unhinged like everything she’s saying about Kitti applies to her lol just fully irrational
There's something so twisted about the "wellness" checks. They put Kitti in danger, while pretending to be looking out for her safety. They found her address, had people who are armed with a variety of weapons show up at her house after telling them that she was threatening people and is unstable. That put her in danger! Yet it's all under the guise of helping her through a mental health crisis.
I didn’t watch kitti before all of this so I don’t know her usual tone, but I absolutely LOVE IT 😂 I love that she’s speaking to Janet as if she is a child because that’s exactly how she’s acting. It’s amazing. Yay Kitti!
Me neither and I follow her now for the same reasons 😂
I think we've been missing opportunities to use that "Sure, Jan" meme.
That was my thought 😂
So obviously LTM is NOT the victim here but good lord is she gonna owe so much money when her ‘lawyer’ loses all these ego cases. Hope Ms Janet is as familiar with malpractice as she is copyright
honestly, I do almost feel a little bad for lauren, despite how not greta of a person she seems to be. lay people rely upon lawyers to have the legal expertise and the ability to strategize that a lay person does not have. they rely upon a lawyer giving sound, legit advice that won’t harm them or their interests. what lauren really needed was a run-of-the-mill PR consultant. but instead, she trusted an overzealous, inexperienced lawyer, and now it’s making her situation and chances for recovery infinitely worse. I don’t wish a bad lawyer on anyone.
@@jilliansmaniotto2326 that’s also a good point. I’m in pre law with the eventual goal of going into law school and getting licensed to practice and I just can’t fathom going through all this work to throw it all away for greed because can’t you be disbarred following a legal malpractice case for unethical conduct? It’s disgusting
@@TexasTigerLillyx it really bothers me. I take my role as a lawyer and the privilege it brings really seriously. we have an obligation to use our education and privileged position responsibly when it comes to our clients. by its very nature, the attorney/client relationship has a very clear unbalanced power dynamic. that dynamic makes it extremely important that attorneys maintain sufficient boundaries to not become too personally invested in a situation. janet has completely failed at that, which has shifted her priority for decisionmaking away from the best interests of her client. instead, she’s been making decisions with her own personal reputation and interests in mind. that is BAD NEWS BEARS, ethically speaking.
and good luck with your education and hopeful venture into the legal world! law school and the bar exam suck, but actually lawyering is awesome!
@@jilliansmaniotto2326 I do think it is unfortunate these people are all getting such terrible advice, but it is such obviously terrible advice it is hard to not blame them for listening to it. I know so much more about these laws now after following this a little, but even with almost no understanding I had my doubts. Now I am sure she has been hit with tons of better legal advice. Sometimes people don't get deceived by bad lawyers, they look for the ones that will cut corners on purpose. Early days I might have given the benefit of the doubt, but not anymore.
I can't believe she is a real lawyer calling wellness checks on competitor's just to intimidate them! Go back and listen to her reasoning on why she called lmao shes a clown! She could've gotten someone hurt or even worse. That crap isn't funny. I've never seen someone so confident and yet so stupid as I've seen her. Unprofessional, embarrassing and dangerous should be her new slogan. She.needs to be investigated and then disbarred for misusing her authority and the judicial system to shut her client's critics up . what a disgrace!
Ooh Janet is going to absolutely try to get this taken down !! However, anyone who has been a fan of CC knows this didnt go up with out her lawyer viewing first!! Sooo good luck Janet!
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I’m not a child safety specialist and neither is Lauren. Burn. Informative, educational, real. Great work
Incredible job breaking down and sharing vital information that I'm sure a lot of creators don't know. Any creator, especially in commentary area, should know their rights and understand they don't always have to be scared of those taking advantage of the system.
I like how thorough you are. I used to work in the Fed Gov regarding public information so I like to say I was in the business of "covering ass, which actually created more space for principals to be more candid. You are a master in CYA. It's a legit skill, and I'm glad to see content that is so well researched and presented. It was very informative as a content consumer!
Momma Tot is a client of hers? That breaks my heart. I wonder what she thinks now that all this is coming out about this lawyer.
mama tot is definitely sneaking under a lot of people radar’s…what bothered me the most is when she got really big she openly said she has her “friend” on her accounts responding to comments so half of these people thinking “ mamatot” is reaching out to them when it’s actually one her internet friend’s she hasn’t met or hardly know and that’s shitty if you can’t personally respond that’s understandable but to basically give someone struggling an answering machine is not it for me.
Amen to that, much sad about that. Been awhile since I saw her stuff but alas, she seemed always such a cool everyday chick
@@RiannaNicole agreed, I really
loved her whole vibe and what’s she was doing but as usual was just smoke and mirrors at this point it is my own fault for being fooled lol
I wonder what happened to have Momma tot become a client of hers in the first place.
Laura clery too
Hearing Jamie’s voice break when he talks about his account make me so mad and sad.
He deserves so much better. :( Imagine how many littles he has ACTUALLY protected.
Everytime I hear the wellness check recording I have severe secondhand embarrassment for both of them. I have to fast forward through it 😂
That dispatcher knew they were full of 💩
SAME. I heard the calls once and I can't do it again. That first time, I had to keep pausing because I couldn't deal with it in one go. Listening to those calls is not just mentally uncomfortable, but actually physically uncomfortable because of the extreme embarrassment.
Imagine being the one having to deal with them on the phone!
If a judge doesn’t just dismiss that lawsuit and make her pay The Girlies court costs and lawyer’s fees it will just make this acceptable. She is abusing the courts. In my opinion.
Omg thank you for connecting all the different players in this mess, I was SO CONFUSED where some of them came from and how they were involved
Thank God for Janet for exposing creators we don’t want to give our engagement to ❤
The ""wellness check"" made me fume. I cannot imagine putting someone in real danger because of Internet beef.
It’s unfortunately fairly common especially if someone is a person of the global majority. It happens a lot on twitch especially, but also pretty much anywhere at this point as an abuse/silencing tactic. It’s deplorable honestly and shouldn’t be a thing.
It's pure NPD behavior - every sleight is a deadly insult to them.
Thank you for posting this, and for delving into the legal definitions. It is really helpful for other content creators. I recently started calling out scams on Instagram, and quickly realized how dangerous it is to be an anti-scammer. It's taxing on mental health, moderating comments is physically exhausting, and since scammers have no other recourse, they often just attack the messenger, in an effort to get us to give up. That takes a toll. It helps to see that you're still calling out scams, despite how hard it is to do so.
I’m so sick of hearing about this woman and her drama- UNTIL CC PUT IN HER TWO CENTS! Now I’m like welp redo my Saturday morning cause we drinking the hottest tea this morning! 😂❤ Can’t wait to see you lawyer the lawyer!
Those wellness check calls will be their undoing. What terrible behavior.
The minimal makeup and middle part suits you so well CC!
thank youuuuuu
This video was the absolute perfect length! I was able to get ready this morning, take my cat to the vet, grab a coffee and drive back home and it ended exactly when I pulled in my driveway. I haven’t watched any other videos of yours but I’ll definitely be checking them out! I love long form content like this
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS AND SUPPORTING THE GIRLIES!!
reporting for doody
Not me realizing I still follow one of her clients. I gotta go unfollow her, I don't want to support any alleged bad behavior.
five minutes ago?? BEST WAY TO START MY DAY! love your videos and how much passion you have for this stuff. keep doing what you do, youre helping so many people.
Wow, thank you!
I clicked on it when it was 5 min after posting it too... I was hella excited to start my day with this video!!!! I'm actually watching it a second time in case I missed anything while folding laundry...lol.. this is such a well made, informative and thought out video!!!! Our spicy queen NEVER disappoints!!!🔥🔥🌶️🌶️
Gotta love how Lauren and Janet decided to accuse Kitti of blackmailing, and what was their response? To blackmail multiple creators into silence by abusing the copyright strike system.
And what did blackmailing people into silence do? Make this whole situation EXTREMELY well known.
Instead of just simply backing down and accepting that Jamie is, in fact, a professional, and that she [Lauren] isn’t, she ruined her image even more along with her awful lawyer.
B-b-but didn't you know fair use is the same as MURDERING someone and claiming self defense?
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I was so excited to see such a long video and it did NOT let me down. Thank you for creating this video even without a sponsor and with the potential of not having monetization period. You’re the real MVP. Thank you for keeping us spicyyyyyyy.
Unrelated but I really think you SHOULD go for your law degree. You are incredibly smart and hard working. You would also annihilate people in court. 😂 I found out I was pregnant right before I was starting school, but I ended up doing it shortly after his birth and it was so worth it! 6 years later and I’m soo glad I did that for myself!
She's also persistent as heck, she won't let anyone get away with anything! :D
If Janet were my lawyer, I would start to worry when watching this all unfold. I mean she specializes in IP law and, in my opinion, seems to have a very, very weak understanding of copyright law. I also have wondered what the legitimacy is of her representing all of these people in states she is not barred in. I can’t really find a clear answer about how this works with all the work being posted online; Bunnie resides in TN, Lauren resides in WI (allegedly, from what I understand), and Mama Tot resides in AL. From what I understand, lawyers need to barred in the state where action is being taken against their client, but since this is all about online copyright, would that be the state in which the content originates or the state in which the alleged infringement is originating? She clearly can’t represent Lauren in CA so, in my opinion, that’s the reason that the suit against the Girlies was filed as a joint suit under a different lawyer. But that suit is not based on copyright infringement, it’s based on defamation. What is the legitimacy of all of the previous action (threats of litigation, cease and desists, etc.) she’s taken in reference to copyright infringement claims?
Freedom of speech not freedom of consequences. And freedom of speech is more along the lines of the freedom to criticize the gov't without consequence from the gov't.
I don't feel like there are enough comments about how well done this video is. Very informative and educational as well as the right amount of spice. I also really enjoy the use of the screenshots, etc. Super thorough and well done!
This lawyer reads so out there and unhinged that I thought it was Lauren on a sock account at first.
They do echo each other-I thought that too.
Thank you ! I was hecka curious, but just didn't have the time to delve into this drama. Great job.
My soul is ready….
Hi Paige!!!
SO IS MY ANUS
why am I like this.
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I think calling a fake wellness check could (and should) be thought of as swatting.
There have been multiple instances of people (primarily POC) being killed by police during a wellness check, including non-violent and rational individuals.
It needs to be said that, unfortunately, the resources of the law are not equally beneficial. Being able to take advantage of these resources is a privilege, abusing that privilege is dangerous and potentially lethal.
Kitti isn't black, and as she said herself, out of all the people to be on the receiving end of a false wellness check, she is one of the safest. This is far from the case for a lot of people.
I said this multiple times on the DWKT podcast, in my opinion this is going to end with Janet getting disbarred and her clients losing their careers.
the copyright policy should be used against creators like SSSniperwolf, not people simply speaking about a person’s/ creator’s absurb behavior.